Designing a NEW Gym Leader: Ghost Gym!
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You could have the "fake" rival come from a family that immigrated from another region! The rival was born in the Masa region so they're first generation and Masa is all they know. They have the talent to be a fantastic gym leader/etc. but since their family doesn't have any generational standing in Masa they are usually dismissed. The "fake" rival might even side with the antagonist team for a bit, depending on the group's goals. I also like the designs of the true rival in the first dress and the streetwear.
What “fake” rival?
I don't think that would be a good idea
@@clordtrundle they talk about the fake rival in the video
I like this idea. The rival can be antagonistic in a way that is objectively wrong but due to their goals and ambitions, it is understandable. They are a person who strives for greatness and wants to be a gym leader or even the champion. However, the traditions of the Maza region forbid them from doing so. This could be incredibly frustrating for them since they know that they are talented and feel they deserve that recognition. This leads to them having a philosophy that traditions are meant to be abandoned or destroyed. For the first half of the game, they have these beliefs that a person is only as good as they make themselves, and no prior tradition has a say in that.
Part of the plot could be the player helping both rivals realize how to embrace these traditions. Maybe once the legendaries begin to be introduced is when the first rival starts to change and evolve into a supporting character rather than an antagonist. Maybe this is spurred on by certain rituals or something that helped summon the legendaries and saving the player and rival. The rival could realize that, without those traditions, they would have been in great danger. They then begin to see why traditions can be good and all that stuff.
There's much to think about and play with regarding this concept. I really like it!
@@titus978 oh huh ur right, I guess I just thought that they were both gonna be rivals and “Val” was a second rival instead of replacing the “fake” one
The name could be Marisol and the nickname can be Mari or Sol (close to soul and a nod to her ghost type).
idk sol means Sun in Spanish which is very off-theme
Paul Vranos Isn't it an abbreviation for Maria Soledad though? Soledad feels kinda on theme for a broody ghost type trainer.
How about Sole or Solé? I am with the one who says that Sun is a little bit off topic. Sol will be more fitting for a fire type gym.
Sol is sun in spanish but I think that it's great with the theme of death not being sad and it also fits with her energy recently discovered. I offered Rosamaria in a comment but I do think Marisol works perfectly
And I've seen some usa people choosing some usa names and nicknames and being a Brazillian, therefore latino, I'd personally not like this a lot
If your looking for a “flowery” name for the Día de Muertos character, the obvious pick for me is Marigold. Which is often abbreviated to either Mari or Margo.
Most pokemon characters are named after plants so this works even more.
another idea could be Mariposa, since Monarch butterflies represent the souls of loved ones that are coming back to visit on Day of the Dead, which sounds like a ghost thing and it can also be shortened to Mari. (also a bit of a stretch but, RIP is in the name. Couldn't not say that)
@@usernamelol1163 i LOOOOVE this idea
@@usernamelol1163 That could apply a nice bit of duel inspiration for the nickname Mari on top of the Marigold flower. 👀 Maybe she could also have a regional Butterfree or some sort of other Monarch butterfly based mon on her team. Could be Bug/Ghost. Mariposa could also act as her family name too. Something that might be important with this region's themes.
Living for Margo, that sounds so cute
Honestly I wish I could see this sort of “being your true self” thing with an older character. Like an old abuela who has always hated how her family has raised her in their old fashioned traditions and so over time she became more jaded, frustrated, and even hating life. As she ages she begins to regret putting up with her past and just makes offhand remarks about it. Then when she battles the player, seeing how young, lively, and carefree they are she realises that she can become her true self and that it’s never too late! Then in the post game she acts a lot happier and childlike. Idk just the idea of an older person finding themselves is an idea I’ve always wanted represented more in media because sometimes we dont see our true selves for a long time. Not very good at putting ideas into words so I hope this doesn’t sound too odd
i'd love to see more characters like this, both as a Mazah gym leader and in general!
my nanna only started painting after her husband passed away and she had more time/freedom, and i have a transgender character who only realised she was a woman in her 60s - i see stories of older transgender people who didn't figure it out (or weren't able to come out) until their older years. i think it's important to show that not everyone knows what they want for themselves in their teens/20s.
:)
im like 80% sure this is half of the plot of COCO, but ok.
(seriously tho, its a great concept, that I agree with entirely)
@@huntedexp8142 I mean I could see it tbh but I didn’t get that kind of message with it
I hope he reads this and uses it for another gym leader/elite four
Like that a lot maybe the grandma characters can have a character arc like that
I could honestly see this character's reasons for why she doesn't want to be a gym leader being tied up in why she wants to be a Pokemon trainer: she wants to work for her success, instead of her being essentially born with respect, and a leg up in battle.
The grandma should become one of the final 4 or what the final 4 for this region will be, and the rival's arc could end with beating her grandmother!
I had the same thought
That is a great idea, but do not forget that is very similar to Hau's character goal. Hau goes through the island challenge so he can become strong enough to defeat his grandfather, Hala, who is also part of the Elite 4. Still a great idea, but it has already kind of been done before, and I think the Mazah region should try and stand out in every way it can.
It would be very cool
@@filosofo_vassao literally what i commented but better.
That would be sick
I'd love to see the idea that, initially, this fakeout rival is really humble about being better than you, but as the game goes he becomes more and more cocky. Like, after the first battle, you CAN beat him, but the game makes sure he's as hard as possible each time, and he gets more and more jaded by his talent as time passes. On top of that, with the real gym leader, to sort of match with the themes of her not wanting to have her position, she looks or feels really awkward in her gym uniform and with her facepaint, so she drops the look entirely when she goes on her own journey, only to then bring it back at the end of the game with her own unique spin on it. I feel like Pokémon really struggles with giving the rivals a good arc that makes them feel relatable
Billy Boy
Not always, remember N?
I am in love with this idea of her going through a phase of hard cultural rejection that is reflected in her design, which culminates with her developing an appreciation of her culture in the end. As a Hispanic, I went through this character arc myself growing up lol.
I love this concept- the third starter isn’t ignored and there’s the idea of having someone you chase after while someone chases after you: the traditional competitive rival for the early gen purists, and the more personable, growth oriented rival for fans of newer gens. Addressing the generational divide would be a maaaaasively relevant topic to cover for the games.
Also I like the nickname of ‘Tina more than Val if you’re going to keep the name Valentina
>there’s the idea of having someone you chase after while someone chases after you: the traditional competitive rival for the early gen purists, and the more personable, growth oriented rival for fans of newer gens. Addressing the generational divide would be a maaaaasively relevant topic to cover for the games.
Didn't Sword and Shield do that with Hop and Bede? Hop is friendly and his character develops as the game goes on. Bede is just a jerk the whole way through, though he's at least as much an antagonist as he is a rival. Bede is the gen one rival; Hop is the newer gen rival.
@@GALL0WSHUM0R True true but I think they didn’t do all that well on the bede account since he wasn’t that hard to beat and got development, sympathy and character arcs and all that rather than simply being a strong force to battle against- that’s why I also love the idea they suggested in the video of the rival beating you in the first battle.
@@Valledorthedragon It's also a very gen-1 anime thing where a former gym leader (brock and misty) decides to follow you on your journey. It's a very neat hybrid of new-gen growth rival with old gen gym-leader companion type.
Speaking of the generational divide, it also calls back to one of the major inspirations for the starters: Communication barriers.
@@lucanuspeeler1469 Brock and Misty are companions to Ash tho, not rivals
In my opinion, Quetzilian should be her "cannon" starter (for storytelling purposes) since they both are really similar in the sense of being very serious at first but now they're trying of finding their true identities plus they both have very colorful colour pallettes (i bet they'd look great in the same picture, posing together and being goofs.)
he starter should depend on which starter the player chooses
@@rayzersun6705 this is why i put "cannon", she'll obviously pick one based on yours but if there ever was a adaptation to the story Quetzilian would be a good choice for her starter
@@ashuto2025 Oh okay. Tho if it were me, I think she should have the Water starter. Dont ask why and how but the 2nd Evo in particular (forgot name) sort of like her with the resentment of being idk, mentally confined?
I love that idea
In my vision in think the water one would fit her too, because she had trouble communicating to her family what she wanted. So a pokemon that represents that she learned how to express herself better is a good idea for me
I think it would be great to have the MC meet this trainer BEFORE she becomes the gym leader. You get to see her being free and expressing her true personality. But once she becomes the leader you see how that burden takes a toll on her and changes her. This could become a plot point with her and her grandparent (which may also run through the story as a whole.) This can also play into her 2nd rival role, as we see her spirit (pun intended) come back once she leaves the gym and becomes her own trainer.
With some people being trapped in traditional ways and some rejecting it, we can see a large array of different viewpoints and commentaries on culture and tradition.
Going along with this, I think it would be super cool to have her show up at the beginning of the game as “just another kid” to get a starter Pokémon with the player character and first rival. Then her grandma can show up and say “you already have Pokemon of your own” but they’re really just hand-me-down ghost types she got alongside the title of gym leader.
Next time you see the girl is when you challenge the first gym, and you can be super shocked that the cheerful little girl you met earlier is now A) depressed bc of her job and B) the first gym leader!
And finally, when the grandma realizes she needs to let the girl go free and do her own thing, she gets the 3rd starter and can actually start her new journey.
@@colinvollmer I love this. The irony of a ghost-type trainer stuck in a dead-end job. But having new life once she breaks away from that. (All puns intentional)
Both D. Ellis and Colin, you have amazing ideas!
Edit: Spelling
I've got a suggestion for her name: Gabriella. It's a very traditional Spanish name and means "God's strength", which helps play into her theme of being forced into the position of gym leader but not being strong enough, both as a trainer and in terms of character and self identity and confidence. It can also be shortened to Gabby, which sounds a lot more fun and loose and playful. Another idea is Emilia, which literally comes from the Latin word for "rival" and could be shortened to just Em or Emi.
I like Emelia for being an on the nose pun of sorts, a common thing among pokemon games.
I really like these ones a lot. Emilia works really well for the rival idea, but I also really like how Gabriella and Gabby sound and work with the character. I’d have a hard time choosing for sure lol
If it is Gabriela, should be writed with a single L, as that's the common spelling on spanish names
It could also be instead of Emilia, Emiliana
Basically the same but more “fifi”
Just based off of the four final sketches, I think I prefer Claire's design for her gym leader form but Jack's design for her rival form.
Jack's first design feels a bit too child-like, I don't think it sells her enough as someone to be listened to. I also prefer the colors on Claire's design, but that's very subjective. However, I feel that Claire's second design is a bit too "punk" for the character's theme. My understanding is that she's not fully rejecting tradition, just "modernizing" it, in a way, and I feel that Jack's design better reflects that. I also like the reference to Lilorina in the hair.
Honestly I prefer Jack’s design for both. I think the fact that she looks too childish in the gym leader form works, because she doesn’t fit and isn’t ready to fill the role
Subjective? Because it's Subjectively? Hhheeehehhehhehehehehe.
Yeah I'll show myself out.
@@ItsRubenMorris yeah but she looks Alistair's age, she's probably the protagonist's age.
@Raven Willingham I absolutely agree.
@@ItsRubenMorris I agree with you completely, the child look works for the story, especially when she's being set up as the true rival for a new trainer. The age should be quite similar. I also think that Claire's gym leader design is a bit too droopy and sad. You want someone who looks stifled and nearly ready to rebel, not utterly depressed and broken. Jack's design has a bit more of that going on. Her irritation matches her depression, and she looks like someone who is unhappily submitting to family pressure. I like that her hair and clothes are more basic and less cute than Claire's design too. It adds to the idea she's being forced into this traditional role, and these clothes and hair were picked by a grandmother who wore the exact same thing 50 or 60 years ago. It also transitions well to the more exuberant enthusiasm Jack's second design shows. Claire's 2nd version is a bit more bland. It shows someone who looks quietly confident, not someone who just had the weight of the world taken off her shoulders.
I think it'd be interesting if there was a story reason about why she was being pushed into a gym leader position so young. Not to pull a Disney here, but it'd make a lot of sense if her parents were dead, and her grandmother was getting too elderly to keep working as a gym leader, and she felt like she had to conform to these expectations, even thought she's far too young and inexperienced and hates it. That would add a lot of motivating force for the grandmother character too. She's desperately clinging to family traditions as a 'replacement' for those she lost, and not realizing at first how much harm it does to her grandchild who is standing in for the shadows of others.
"Imagine a star athlete that never shows his face."
If you didn't think I wouldn't think luchador, you have another thing coming. Specifically El Santo, who never took off his mask, to the point that he wore multiple at once just in case someone took it off.
Now all I can think of is El Toro Fuerte!
@@timwoods2852 El Santo is basically him in real life, in terms of literally never removing his mask. El Santo literally only took his mask off publically once, which was because he was dying. Dude's like a real life Superman in Mexico.
@@High-LordHarza Neat!
The fighting gym leader should absolutely be a luchador. Would be cool to see them with maybe a Hawlucha regional variant.
@@raymondgandara376 I was actually thinking of that. Going with the El Santo idea, I'd actually like to see him not in tights, but in a suit and mask.
Going with the family theme, I'd imagine this strict patriarchal type. Maybe play into the machismo aspect as well.
When he first took over his gym he had really bad performance anxiety due to the expectations put on him regarding both being a gym leader and becoming the man of the house, which is why he originally starts wearing the mask. Now that he is older and more confident, his reputation and image no longer allows him to take it off. Maybe after beating him or after some post game thing (or during a post game battle) we see him without his mask? I dunno.
He might be envious of the ghost gym leader/rival for being able to go on this journey, since he wasn't able to, too.
I have literally never thought that the rival was stronger than me, straight up
An idea for a gym leader that I thought of, (yes I know this is sorta repeating the first one), is that the one who inherits the gym has a different type specialty, which causes disruption with the family.
And one of their siblings fights you later in the game using that traditional typing, "to show you what my family is MEANT to do" and then also loses to you, realizing their sibling's change in typing isn't the reason they gave up the badge to you.
If you notice Allister's mask, suspenders, shoes, and socks all resemble cursola.
Oh my God how the heck did I not notice that I am going to the idiot corner
OMG!!!
Cursola should be his representative Pokemon, if he enters in Pokemon Masters he Deserves Galarian Corsola and Cursola instead of Gigamax Gengar
i dont see it for some reason
Yeah but his mask is literally just a shy guy
For the “fake” first rival. I think it would be better to have him be someone whose “excluded” from the league despite his skill because he’s not from on original family/ orphaned/ immigrant/ etc. As a result he’s a bit jaded and want to outdo everyone (think Paul). So he wants to blow through the leave and become champion so he can change it; doesn’t want to become the gym leader of this gym. Those I just my thoughts. Great work as usual!
Edit: this is the first time ive had such positive reception to a comment b4. Glad you all like the idea and thanks for the likes!
i like that alot, i feel like it can play well into a cohesive theme of generational differences we're seeing in this gym leader
My first thought was also Paul, when they introduced the "fake" rival. From a gameplay perspective it would also be cool if the player encountered him a few times, but the battles were always scripted so the player loses. This will help build his character as someone who wants to break the tradition (the player always beats the rival) and only just before the elite four or after he becomes champion, will the player be able to beat him.
yeah I think it would be great to meet this fake rival again later in the game, maybe the end of the game. Where your character has grown and faces their first loss again?
@alexaaskov From I story perspective I love that, but I feel like it would be demoralized or frustrating to lose to the same guy over and over. Maybe if u only see him 1 more time before the league and lose there it would be ok.
@@alexaaskov Well, it's almost impossible to script to lose, but what you could do is not lock story progress behind a win like most of the games do. So you can go ahead and make him way stronger than he has any right to be.
Maybe a good idea for this character would be that she's never had her own Pokémon before? if she's gonna end up with the last starter, maybe it's because she was using her grandmother's old Pokémon and they never really meshed together really well. Albeit she should still keep one Pokémon from the gym. (also this character and the "fake out rival" remind me of Hop and Bede for some reason)
Maybe her grandma's Pokémon is at a higher level for a first gym leader, but it will also disobey in battle and will fall asleep or choose a different attack like having splash
@@FigmentsofFiction I really really like that idea!!
Yeah I think she could maybe keep the ghost type they did a video on but apart from that build her very own team
a name for the ghost gym leader could be “Alma” not only is it a common name in Mexico but it also translates to “soul” in spanish.
Another regional variant could be for the Duskull line, main difference is they reflect the colorfull pattern of mexican skulls. And this would in turn explain the Mazah peoples festive face paint to mimick duskull. It's final evolution can be reminiscent of Santa Muerte, a female folk mexican personification of death who is said to guide souls to the afterlife. This is alrdy a parallel to Dusknoir's dex entry and it's Mazah form can take on a more slender/feminine design and replace it's antenna beacon with a veil and roses and perhaps retain the colorfull skull of duskull.
I was literally thinking about this today. Make it a fairy/ghost (since a lot of food pokemon r fairy - could be based off the sugar skulls) or make it fire/ghost.
But then do a similar thing with froslass whereby only the females evolve into a new Pokémon and then the males would evolve into dusclops then dusknoir
The female evolutions would therefore keep their skull aspects and draw heavily from Santa Muerte as u said.
That is such a good idea!
Heads up, in Hispanic culture we have 2 first name and 2 last names, last names are one from each parent and the 2 first are picked by each parent, example:
Valentina Maria Rodriguez(from dad) Perez(from mom)
I mean not every Hispanic, but it would be good for most of the characters to have them cause it’s different!
@@christiancornelio24 i'm Hispanic and all my family and family friends have them. And I was born in El Salvador and everyone I knew had them
Not everyone has two first names but two last names yes
@@xcorpionz922 wow really? I only know a handful of Hispanics with 4 names
@@christiancornelio24 I mean, that can be true, as many of us use our first name only, so we don't ask for full names, but as far as I knew, my friends had 2 first names.
Some interesting ideas that could fit into this theme for other gym leaders in the region:
- A parent who has been a gym leader for decades, trying to set a good example for their child who will inherit the gym one day. They use losing to you as some sort of teaching opportunity.
- A gym leader who was never meant to inherit the gym, like maybe they have an older sibling who "abdicated" at the last minute and they are struggling to live up to the sudden unexpected pressure.
- A wealthy person who bought the title when the previous gym leader left/passed away with no heir. They don't respect the tradition and instead respect hard work. (I'm thinking this could be like an old money VS new money kind of thing).
- A person who feels entitled to the position of gym leader because they've been raised from a young age being told they "deserve" it. Does not take losing well.
- A brother and sister who both own the gym because they inherited it together. Maybe too similar to Tate and Liza? Perhaps they are more competitive than cooperative, then.
I love these ideas! I wonder if they’ll introduce a character who wants to be a gym leader but can’t dueto not having family ties
The brother and sister idea could even be incorporated in their fight somewhat, because if they are also competitive while fighting they might use moves that hit everything on the field including their sibling's pokemon, or it can be shown by having them use different tactics, like one just keeps attacking and using status moves, while the other first uses stat-boosting moves and then starts attacking.
Maybe the brother and sister have to compete to determine who inherits the gym in the end! Raise the stakes a little
The person who bought the gym but values effort sounds very ironic, good, I love jerk characters.
The brother sister pair could also be another Alister vs Bea situation, where you challenge one sibling in one version of the game, and the other sibling in the other.
but in this it could be that your rival battled the sibling that you don't, and that these competitive siblings(who both own the gym but refuse to work together)take turns but always try to one-up each other.
This could also have an interesting story element where the siblings end up being defeated by whomever the antagonist team is, but then the protagonist and their rival come and save the day by working together, and thus teach the siblings that working together is a better solution to their problems.
I say, "Mariposa"/Mari (meaning butterfly) which reflects her change in both roles and choices in the game, butterflies are a great example considering their beauty and transformation
Maybe her family calls her Posa (which in spanish is to pose) or maybe she calls herself that, but as the story progresses she changes to Mari
that connects to the butterfly effect as well, since she changes her fate and its all because this one trainer (your character) walked into the gym
Second gym idea: A Rock type specialist who uses asteroid/fossil-themed Pokemon.
(I just really want to see some kind of reference to Chicxulub, aka the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. It was of the most awe-inspiring disasters in the history of life and the crater is right under the Yucatán Peninsula.)
I love that, yes, but also isn't that too similar to Grant? He literally uses rock types in the archeology town. Though idk if that would be the SECOND gym, maybe fourth or fifth?
I'd kill to see this as a fangame or rom hack honestly-
Congratulations
Who did you kill?
@@cecildesist Thats for me to know and no one to find out :3
The name "Valentina" means something along the lines of strong, healthy, or vivacious. It's a name she could grow into, more than it being incongruous with her identity.
She's named under the assumption and expectation that she'll be strong. Her name itself carries the pressure of the family tradition. With the burden of her familial responsibility, and her choosing to cast that weight off of her shoulders, the name helps tell the story of a girl who finds her own strength, and her own way to live.
This could be interpreted as her refusing to uphold tradition, maybe rebelling against it or even disrespecting it. With something as meaningful as dia de los muertos, and the character you use to carry it as a theme, this could be seen as insensitive by the one person who has the mind to dig that deep, if she doesn't still value the tradition she comes from, and its meaning.
It may be wise to preserve her themes throughout her development as a character. After all, we're often stronger with the guidance of those who came before us.
I’d LOVE if she came full circle with her development, going back to the gym and upholding the tradition. I agree that her completely casting off her own culture is kind of... Startling. And could be interpreted in an ill way by audiences.
@@gromplin I don't necessarily mean that she should return as the leader, since that can read as a denial of her agency, but I do think that it should remain important to her, in her own way. Visiting her family as they accept her choice and offer to support her, asking them for advice, regarding them as the experienced professionals and storied loved ones that they are, while still keeping to whatever she wants out of her own life.
Her relationship with her family, in itself, could explore some of the ideas of the holiday and its underlying beliefs about ancestry, and upholding the most valuable parts of the past.
@@sugar1905 That is a good idea. It can be a lesson like "Listen to the elderly for they know more than you do,but become 'true' by using those advice and try not to repeat their own mistake as well make yourself free to become yourself.... The elderly while giving the younger generation advise shouldn't pressure or belittle them for any reasons and help them improve in the way that will also help make your relationship better."
@@joshuaarceo9938 Exactly that!
Swayon Tift Nah, I prefer her doing her own thing over becoming a gym leader. Like, the themes seem to be questioning traditions in the region, so her going back goes against that. I prefer that over it just being another story about older people ultimately knowing what’s best. And a lot of young people nowadays question long-standing traditions, so I think her doing something new would be good from that standpoint
I love the second one. the long hair makes such an interesting and dynamic shape. It's a great contrast to the static unmotivated persona and lends to the idea that she's letting her hair down.
Some ideas for gym leaders:
- an older gym leader, with a son or daughter that really wants/thinks he or she is ready to take over the gym, while their parent disagrees
- a gym leader without a heir, maybe that is where you can leave the 'fake' rival. (Although I like the idea of having two rivals) Maybe the 'fake' rival can train with the gym leader. Much like Bede and Opal.
- a maffia/familia boss gym leader, maybe a tie in with the bad guys of the region
- two siblings fighting over who will be the next gym leader, maybe you will have to battle the both for them to see whose stronger only for them to find out they are both equally strong
I like that first one. If you wanted to do something to upset the status quo, you could have each of them have 2 pokemon. You go up to challenge the parent, but the kid jumps in and fights you first. Then the parent fights you right afterwards for the actual battle. In effect, it's a 4-pokemon battle, which is pretty normal as far as gym battles go. But having to engage twice changes the traditional fighting mechanic just a little bit.
Of course, if you lost that fight, it'd get awkward to pull the same thing twice.
Really creative and amazing all of these options, something that maybe could spice things are:
-the older gym leader (alongside his son) could specialize in poison typing in the second gym of famous and elegant rename, but this gentleman is worried that the rebelious nature of his son/daughter could lead them to dark paths, and when you fight them (see coment of groudon909) the older experienced battler sees his wild-going son/daughter fighting your character, and when you won the gym badge (or whatever it is) the father and son talk to each other and forgive their actions.
-with the cartel (mexican maffia) one, I can imagine that is depicted like rutheless and fierce dark-type criminals that lately have been collaborating with the bad guys of the region... but turns out that (in an totally not sarcastic way of saying 'cause im no Stephen Spielberg) they were decendants of ancient guardians that were doing justice (in a Batman-like manner) and defending the weak from the shadows (again, like Batman).
-and with the brothers, I could totally see them like famous pop-stars singers, each one specializing in fighting and bug types (being these two the only types that resist each other) and each one with a unique battling style. While the two of them want to search for a weak point in their enemies, the fighting one will throw relentless and multiple strikes to weaken his opponent, the bug one would wait for his adversary to mess up in one of his turns... then strike!!
The two siblings could end up as a double battle gym!
I really like the two sibling gym, would be fun to have a double battle gym after Tate and Liza. They could specialize in pokemon with gender differences, more so than a particular type.
I like the parent one and the siblings
now, I've been watching the videos for a while now, and here are some core things I must say about them, this might have been already covered by you or maybe you just already know them but is something I really wanted to make clear since, I'm Mexican and thought it would be appropriate.
1.- Mexico is huge! Mexico is a huge country who's people are extremely unique and often clash with each other. Now this doesn't mean is in bad spirit, although some might do it with that intention. Mexicans from the north of the country are quite different, both in demeanor and in looks than Mexicans from the south of the country, this is something you need to keep in mind!
2.- Going from the last point, Mexico is really into tradition, but also has some really economically invested cities. This is another strike contrast between the north and the south, while the south of the country is rather rich culturally the north could be considered more focused on development. A real thing that was really talked about was the idea of the north of the country going independent from the south, I'm not joking and while most people took it as a joke though some were rather serious about it, however nothing came out from it.
3.- There are a lot of myths and cultural aspects to take from. Papantla Flyers, Aztec culture, the island of the dolls etc.
4.- Now some soft nitpicks: Mexico is North America. I just wanted to make that clear.
5.- A little known fact in most media, white Mexicans exist! Most versions of Mexicans in pop culture tend to be tanned looking, and while is true that most Mexicans are like that, there are some that are quite white looking, after all Mexico is a really diverse country that's product of the mix of Aztecs and Europeans, so seeing that being reflected on the gym leaders would be awesome.
6.- Go all out on the scary aspects of the entries, pokemon loves hiding dark lore on their pokemon, you shouldn't feel restricted about it!
This are all just quick points I thought when watching your videos, by all means I'm not posting this to complain or something like that, I'm just mentioning this because those are aspects often unnoticed by people when talking about Mexico, and is just something I would rather see being reflected on a project as awesome as this.
Keep the amazing work!
I think it'd be cool if the grandmother took over the role of Gym Leader once again, and you could rematch her later, but she has mid/late game levels.
What about a dark type gym? As far as I know, the only Dark Type gym leader is Piers and Marnie. The most predictable thing to do would be having that gym leader be the evil team boss, but what if you guys turned that around, and did something cool where it is largely assumed by everyone in-game and even implied that the Dark Type gym leader is the evil team boss, only to be revealed as innocent, and that the real evil team boss used his image as a convenient coverup to hide his identity?
Since this is a family thing, I’d LOVE the irony of a rival gym leader/family framing him, using his image. The other person using their comparatively “squeaky clean” image to do underhanded things. Even more so if the gym leader used the Fairy type. It may come off corny if not handled correctly, but I have faith that these guys could pull it off.
This would also need to be supported by a great backstory and believable plot. If there is any time in Mexican history or lore where a switcheroo like this happened, or something about not judging books by their cover, that’d be amazing.
Nice. I was thinking that MAYBE the dark type gym had some bad history, but the newest inherited of the gym had no idea about it until he was handed the position or something like that.
@@cybo_vampire9145 I like that! It’d definitely fit in with the theme they seem to be going for with “changing inherited values/culture for the better.”
Yeah the dark type leader could use like Absol and umbreon, pokemon that are deemed evil but really aren't
The evil team leader could be a Fairy gym leader. Most fairy people in Pokémon have physical deformities like not aging and always have glistening black eyes, pretty creepy. Also, fairies are evil as hell.
The fake out first rival could be the disowned kid of one of the later gyms, who wants to prove themselves and force their gym leader parent to acknowledge them as their successor. You might arrive at their city shortly after this happens, or maybe help them with it, depending on how sympathetic they are.
sounds alot like sword and shield rival dude but in reverse order
Or like maybe he/she got an older sibling that is the next in line but the rival doesn't get a chance to prove him or herself because there's an older sibling.
When keeping in mind the theme of family for your region and its gym leaders, I was thinking having a bug type gym leader could work. An interconnected family that works hard together, even having the trainers in the gym being younger members of that family. Though, the gym leader herself would be the queen of the gym and of the family, maybe even showing signs of being a somewhat toxic/abusive relationship. She could be less willing to let go of traditions compared to Val and her grandmother, making sure all of the family puts their efforts towards keeping the gym running, no matter what. I just think that could be a cool idea that could show the constracting ideas revolving the gym system in this region!! :)
Ooh. And the main Pokémon they use (if they use them) could be that one honey jar ant Pokémon? Maybe a puzzle based on ant hills. I really like this idea!
@@dove_inblack3546 THIS PLEASE. I AM LOVING THIS CONCEPT
What about a hairstyle that resembles the wings of ant queens? They could also wear a crown resembling chikkata. Wow this is an amazing idea, props to you joshua.
I love that your gen overall theme is actually "Everchanging". Nothing is carved in stone forever: all the laws, all the traditions, while respected and loved, will always change in some way through the flow of ages. You will always find those who are happy with changes and accept them easily, and those who are strongly against. You can build up the evil team on this too.
Here’s an idea for a gym leader! A ground type gym leader, named Haydon. He’s somewhat lazy and he doesn’t care to much about tradition. Just kinda likes being alone with his Pokémon. He is a planner though (likes things to go accordingly) (maybe he’s like Claire in Pokémon silver and gold and doesn’t give up the badge immodestly and instead requires you to clear out the evil team nearby or something ). Maybe the team admin is introduced here and you have a double battle with him. He would wear a grey jacket with blue jeans as have sandy-hair swooped to the side. Age being around 18, his ace being steelix and his other Pokémon being sandaconda and rhydon. I’m thinking he’d be the 4th gym leader. I hope you still are reading these after all this time Mr. Jack and Ms. Claire!
The “fake rival” taking over the first gym seems like a lot, since that first gym already has so much story impact and subversion. I think the fake rival should go on to do something else!
Yep I agree! Maybe they could come to be an antagonist of sorts, or whatever else you guys think of.
I agree. I think the grandmother should get the Gym back, or maybe it goes to an aunt/uncle or cousin.
They should go on to become the champion, an admin or even the leader for the evil team
Yeah I agree. I feel like since they made the rival out to be so strong it makes sense for a higher goal like say maybe they become the champion. In a way it would be fitting in tradition and just from story it could show growth in finally beating the rival that once you didn’t stand a chance against
The fake rival should get the gym leader title after fighting for it for a good part of the story, as a way to keep the 'breaking traditions' theme alive as you play through the game
I love the idea of letting her hair down, Jack's second sketch in the second part is my favorite, the one with the straight, long hair holding a Dusk Ball in a triumphant pose. She has a lot of energy that she couldn't let out before and the dynamic hair in the artwork lends a lot to that, something that short hair can't really do
This is one of the most innovative ideas I've personally ever seen for a fan-made region, and I'm glad to see that a more workshop-style video was the reason for it! If you guys can continue to bounce off like this in the future, then I think the region will turn out to be one of the most creative in a very long time among the community (at least for me, personally)!
In terms of this first gym leader, I love her, and I love her concept, and I love how she ties in so perfectly to your theme of tradition and generational gap, while simultaneously subverting the traditions of the franchise itself! I already love the name Valentina, and her shortening it to Val; I think this is a perfect indication of her character! As for her actual Pokémon, I agree that her ace should definitely be the passed-down (probably family-bred) Liloriña, but I feel her other 1-2 Pokémon should be wildcard choices. Say, before becoming the gym leader, Val would've only agreed to do so under the condition that she can also use any other Pokémon of her choice while maintaining Liloriña as the ace, and her family would have had to begrudgingly agree! After the story decides that Val becomes your second, "true" rival, I think it would be nice if her replacement would be an alternative gym! Similar to how SwSh confirms that there are the "major" division (the eight gyms in the story) and the "minor" division (gym leaders who aren't part of the story, like Klara, Avery, Peony, etc.), the Mazah region could employ a similar concept, whereby if gym leaders decide to retire (or in this case, quit), there's always another gym of another type ready to replace it! As a tidbit, maybe the player character can encounter this new first gym in the post-game!
As for the second (2nd) gym leader, I think it'd be interesting to do a Fairy-type to explore more of the mysticism and lore of Mexican culture, and I think it'd be nice to see how the story revolving around the legendaries could slowly unfold with this gym leader! They can perhaps be a witch or witchcraft practitioner? I know you don't have legendaries yet, but I think it's nice to see how the story overall develops through the gym leaders, instead of merely being figure-heads or obstacles to overcome. Like with Val, this gym leader becomes relevant to the story, so it'd be nice to explore the Mazah region from the perspectives and narratives of several characters, rather than being spoon-fed information from the Professor or your rivals. I feel like BW did this the best when their gyms were directly involved in disjointed story beats, but with this region, it'd be nice to see everyone involved with the main story!
Honestly, this plot sounds so fun I kinda hope you guys ever get the chance to make a fan game I'd play this so fast.
Also a good name for her would be Rosetta - Later on, Rosa
Or Rosetta to Ro
Imagine the second or third gym leader being a older person and refuse to battle her. And you have to win the battle against her so she can take her chance as well. Would be really cool I think
Yeah, I was thinking a story where you’re basically watching her grow and rooting for her. And kind of mentoring is interesting. And it would be cool is she reaches to be the champion. That final battle would hold so much weight since you basically got arched her grow into a strong trainer and mentored her
It‘d be interesting if when we reach the ghost gym, Valentina would still be in training, and her grandmother would be constantly behind her back telling her how to fulfill the role. Not only would it provide great characterisation for this important character, it‘d also allow the game to organically explain to new players how the gym system works, via the grandmother‘s tutoring that we witness. And it‘d tie in well with the starter‘s theme of communication barriers, this one in particular being the contrast between Valentina‘s desires and those of her grandmother
So, if this character bucks against tradition, the next one should be the opposite. A character who is older, sterner, maybe even blames the main character for upsetting the status quo with this first gym leader. I imagine someone cold and condescending that harkens back to the first games, so probably a water type?
Maybe he could be the last gym leader to be her "polar" opposite (get it?), And make her arrive on the gym around the same time as you to get some character development.
(Though i don't think that Ice is a good type for the last gym leader, it's way too easy to deal with, maybe normal type to be even more opposites.)
Yeah, Normal types at least have Arceus, Ditto, Slaking, and Guts boosted Pokémon for powerful damage. Ice Pokémon have nothing. If Ice gyms are to be threatening, they had better be the first-fourth gyms, and gyms 3-4 would require underpowered Pokémon or an abundance of bird Pokémon and Grass type Pokémon.
Something I learned today; Some ancient empires ( before the Mayans, Aztecs, and Incas ) in South America would use elaborate tropical bird feathers as a way to determine social class. The more rare or beautiful the feather, the more expensive, thus in turn the higher class you were. Think this would be a cool idea for something.
maybe something like that instead of gym badges
I massively appreciate the amount of love ghost type has been getting in this region so far. Ghost types have so much cool potential and I love the neat design opportunities they present for human characters
The first battle with the Ghost Gym Leader could be her intentionally throwing the match and trying to just give you your badge so she doesn't have to set expectations for herself. Grandma comes in and doesn't let her do that, do some hijinx to help her become a more capable and confident gym leader, then have a second serious fight for the badge
Some ideas for a second gym:
fighting type pro-wrestling ring where leadership corresponds to who has the belt, and the passing down is decided more by executives (who decide who wins and loses b/c it's pro wrestling). Maybe the leader only recently got his position after struggling against these executives. This gym could show the flip-side of the problem with the first gym, where tradition is used to keep someone out of a position rather than coercing them into one (that position being gym leader).
Add a score system after the battle to show how, even if you won, your performance was awful (pick the score as if you were running a pokemon contest)
I like that idea. Especially the idea of having a fighting gym be the second gym. I think that maybe you could have another rival departing from this gym(therefore having two rivals/ partners breaking away from their gym, reminiscent of Brock and Misty). This character could delve into the issue of toxic masculinity within Latino families. I feel like he could have a fighting type pokemon yet eventually became more of a fairy type user, as he opens up. He could create a pokemon that is fairy/ fighting in its final evolution that would reflect this transition pretty well.
@@benfromer5683 I think adding a gender divide could work, but only if that's the ONLY reason the trainer is discriminated. Better keep it simple
Okay Name idea:
“Florencia” & “Flo”. Hear me out🙏🏽
“Florencia” is the feminine name version of Florernción, which means flowering in spanish. This name could work really well to achieve what you guys wanted. It’s a traditional name that’s literally “too flowery” like you guys said, and would contrast really well against her true personality. When she is still being called “Florencia”, it can symbolise how she is still flowering, that there’s still a lot of growth and potential in her that is trying to blossom into existence. After she leaves her position as gym leader and has grown up a bit, she would refer to herself as “Flo”, a bit modern and hip, and which would compliment her new colourful look and true personality.
As a Mexican, I think Florencia sounds weird because of the Italian city.
I’d suggest Florentina instead, is more common of a name even if considered pretty old (which is perfect for this character) and she could call herself “Flor” or “Tina”, which does all the cool work. (Something fun is that Valentina is also shortened into Tina usually)
@@biossagradocorazondelsolva1905 damn I didn’t even think about the city, but yeah “Florentina” sounds and works wayy better, I still like the sound of “Flo” though
yeah, it could make sense that the character wanted to call herself something more unique also, its a great idea :D
i like this idea very much, but i just cant help but think of flo from animal crossing lol
If you wanted a “proper” or “flowery” name Marisela is a good option. In my culture (Mexican) Marisela is traditional and can be a very formal name but casually she could be nicknamed Mari or Sela.
Ya and I seen a lot of suggestions that also say something like Marisol or Maria and a common theme of the nickname Mari but I also really like sela it feels rebel like
@@tj-tigga5726 yeah I agree because Marisela or Maricela is typically a very proper name but Mari is more casual and you’re right Sela sounds like a rebel
Isn't there a plant named Marisela or nicknamed. If it is then it would definitely fit with how pokemon named almost all their character after plants
@@evanc1480 I think that Marisela is a type of plant, not sure about a flower though. Yes I do think it could fit that theme though which continues the idea of respect for older traditions! Great idea
I am making a region based on Norway, with the overall theme being Tradition VS Progress, and the message being that you need to embrace both, and this gave me a really good idea! So in Norway, it is very normal for families to have multiple generations of sailors and stuff, even I come from a family like that. I was thinking of having a water type gym that's actually like a fishing boat, and the gym leader has just become old enough to inherit the gym, and his father is pressuring him to become the new gym leader and stuff, but he doesn't want to. His sister however really wants to be a gym leader, but their father is like "The ocean is not a place for a sweet little girl like you", the end of their arc being the father accepting the wishes of his children and letting his son go to follow his own dreams, while his daughter takes over the gym after her brother. I don't know for sure, maybe after battling the gym, you are forced to battle the sister, and she proves herself as a strong trainer to her father, and he realizes that maybe tradition isn't the most important thing in the world, and that they should do what makes them happy.
As far as these designs I really like the second one (the one in leggings) for once she’s your rival. That one feels the most genuine amalgamation between what is expect from a Pokémon IP and the Spanish influences. It also has the strongest ties to the signature Pokémon. Maybe an idea to consider is she doesn’t take a starter Pokémon but keeps the ghost Pokémon. Why does your rival have to have a starter? Plus a ghost would be challenging to any of the starters.
I think that a good name for her could be “Dolores”, since it’s a very common name among old ladies so it sounds ancient ant traditional, the name in fact means sorrows in spanish, which is the opposite of the gym leader’s personality. And when she leaves the gym she could prefer be called something like “Lorie” or “Doll”.
Yes!!!!
I've met so many Dolores and they're all old ladies, this is def a very traditional name!
Yes!! So much yes!!
Lola is the nickname of dolores.
Also, did you know that in Spanish "dolor" means "pain?"
What if in the Mazah region, you don’t start off with a rival. And in the first route you meet her without her Day of the Dead get up and you battle her and she heads back to her town. Maybe later we get introduced to the customs of the Day of the Dead and the grandma holds like a town meeting passing off the title to her granddaughter. Once all of that happens you go to the gym to battle her, and she recognizes you from the battle earlier and she sees you as the player battle and see how strong you got to be this early in your journey. After the battle she realizes that if she would ever grow to be strong she would need to go on a journey of her own. After the battle she goes up to her grandma and confesses how she wants to go on a journey and not be a leader. The grandma accepts it and she becomes our new rival just like you guys said. Also, I love the Valentina name and love the middle design you guys did.
Also another idea for a gym leader would be one that hasn’t been done, a cook or chef. Mexico is known for a lot of cuisine, so maybe make a grass type gym leader, who might be an older lady, who like runs a battle cafe/gym. Maybe after you beat it you are open to get foods, like masala in Alola region. Idk how this would play out but definitely interesting.
Ok I’m adding this just to see if you could add this as I just thought of it. What would be really cool is a Pokémon based on a Mariachi band, each based on a different instrument typically in one. Trumpet, Guitar, Violin, and maybe an Accordian. The thing is they are all the same Pokémon but are of differing appearances, like the Oricorios. Maybe with this concept, there could be a gym where you battle all four as a group but it’d play as one at a time. So they battle as one with each their own Pokémon. I feel like it’d be an interesting concept.
Also another Pokémon concept is for an armadillo like Pokémon. They are found in Mexico, and is also the animal found in The Road to El Dorado. I’m not sure what can be done for this Pokémon, maybe make it a Normal/Rock type you find in a rocky area? Obviously high defense, but maybe make it have two modes like Morpeko or Eiscue where it switches after something happens. Maybe if it gets hit with a physical move it buffs it’s defense and closes but also drops attack? It’d be cool to see, but not really that important to Mexican culture so it might not be a memorable enough animal to make it into the Mazah region.
These ideas are amazing
great idea!
I mean, the trio of Unova would beg to differ, but I like the idea. both ideas, actually.
Playing off of what lewrk said they could use the Mazian marractus since it is a fire type and resembles peppers
@@Lewrk Yeah you’re right, I was thinking Mazah Maractus was still grass, so Fire would definitely work better so you can incorporate that
I prefer the first version of the character a lot more, especially with the family crest idea based on their signature pokemon. That could be an interesting theme for the gym leaders to have a family crest that matches their ace, with each one representing something different. For example the ghost gym leader's emblem could symbolise the sorrow and mourning that comes when a family member passes on but the current leader tries to change it into something new, specifically tears of joy and laughter. Instead of following the tradition of mourning and remembrance, she celebrates by trying to make people laugh and remember the good times. This could be tied in with how she's had her Lilorina since she was a child and always tried to help it cheer up, leading to her being very loud and playful.
That ties the pokemon and the leader so well together!
Definetly think they should make a family emblem based on their main pokemon for every gym leader. Great idea!
One thing worth keeping in mind is that, for most of the start of the game, most moves are normal types. AKA, completely ineffectual against ghost types. This might be a much more difficult fight than the plot might necessitate, so a type change may be necessary. (Maybe her gym type could even change depending on what starter the player picks, so that its always weak to the player's starter.)
19:04 - 21:00 that whole story really plays well to the setup of the starters being a symbol of communication as well, it's quite fitting...
This could be a game actually i would love a Reigoin like this
Where is Rei goin, nobody knows...
Rei is goin places bro, im so proud of em....
Where did rei come from where did rei go where did rei come from cotton eye joe
someone get a romhacker on this!
Reigoin
IDEA: The grandmother doesn't want to let go/doesn't believe the player is all "that" and temporarily becomes the ghost type gym leader to see the worth of the player. Once you defeat her she decides to now let go and let her granddaughter be her own person
Edit: Or at least, this could fix the problem of who's the gym leader
I love that idea! You have to defeat the grandmother aswell (as the rival doesn't know as much about battles perphaps she's a bit too weak for a gym) and she goes back to being the gym leader and lets her grandaughter go after you defeat both.
Yes!
I feel like for the story side of this maybe the gym is usually passed down once the previous gym leader reaches a certain age, but Real Rival/Ex-Gym Leader inherited at a much younger age than anyone before her because her mother was older when she had her, or the mother, for some reason couldn't battle anymore (because of grief, or injury, or death if you want to go that route), or even just left entirely and hasn't been home in awhile. (and a possible B-plot for the last suggestion. She ostensibly left to become one of the region's champions, and maybe she even achieved that goal, but in actuality she left because she was also feeling stifled by the way she was supposed to be performing these traditions. Unlike her daughter, who actually confronts her grandmother and eventually makes her come around- she just found an excuse her family would take and quietly slipped away.)
I like that!
Another way it could go would be that you defeat the granddaughter, and that's when she finally breaks down and you learn the whole story, granddaughter confronts her grandmother and leaves the Gym (accidentally forgetting to give you the gym badge), and then you have to fight the Grandmother to get the gym badge XD
@@claytondavidson6308 Very good idea!
I think that once she goes on her journey she decides she wants to retake her position as gym leader and enact some changes/modify the traditions but she has to battle her grandma for the right to be leader and to show her progress.
I think the player character should also have to battle the grandma at the start to prove they have the competitive spirit and knowledge to be a good rival for her granddaughter. When you beat the grandma maybe you get access to a new potion type or a bike like previous games as a reward.
We can set it as, whenever a challenger defeats a gym leader without losing a single pokemon, the challenger has the right to take the gym. Or there were too many complaints saying that the gym was too easy. (something around or along the lines of that)
After "Val" loses her family's gym, which was passed down for generations, she feels remorseful and ashamed for not taking things seriously. From there, we could give her character growth. She would become her own trainer that respects modern and traditional values, training to take back the gym she once lost.
I adore this idea so much. Maybe a cool idea would be seeing your rival slowly grow more into her style throughout the game. So the first time you encounter her in the gym she's completely decked in these clothes she's not at all comfortable in (third design from 25:50), and then after she's "resigned", on your first battle with her as a rival, she might still have her hair pinned up and a dress on, but with less pomp and accessories. (something her family would want her to wear everyday, like the first design at 25:50, but without as much hair accessory going on) Then, as you encounter her, you can LITERALLY watch her find her style and expression, through picking out a look that she feels speaks to her identity. Maybe she shows up in the yellow hoodie as a normal length hoodie, hair up but in a looser style, and leggings similar to the ones in the second design at 25:50. Then, for her final look, she'll have let her hair all down and wild, swapped to baggy pants from leggings, found a sweet pair of high-tops, and have cropped her hoodie herself, DIY-style! (I'd think this one might look almost identical to the original "streetwear" design you showcased with the grandmother around , just with the hair down like in the second design at 25:50)
I think this could be a really neat way to watch her buck tradition and explore her own path in real time! Maybe something like this could necessitate a new Pokemon design, or for you to play with Lilorina, provided that's her partner aside from the starter, a la Hop's Wooloo. Maybe it's common knowledge that it evolves into Yoronaqua, which is known for terrorizing children, but when it comes time for hers to evolve, it turns out to be a brand new branched evolution entirely? I could see a design based on "laughing so hard you cry", or maybe a design pattern that takes Yaqueena's love of playing with the youth into a "party based" design space where it will sing rather than scream to try to get people hyped and excited. This might draw a cool comparison to the region's theme of youth and tradition, since Yaqueena already plays with that theme by favoring youth over adults. I'm not sure exactly how you would type a Pokemon like that, but I could see dropping water for electric if it was based on the excitement and festivity theme, OR dropping ghost for fairy in the "cry laughing" concept, to signify her literally moving away from the tradition of her family, which is heavily tied to ghost type, in favor of her more playful attitude, which would be represented by fairy (or another type, I'm sure you could take it many directions).
Sorry for the lengthy comment, I just think this is a fantastic new idea, and there's just so much to love and so many ideas to explore! Great work as always, and I'm excited to see where this goes!
Another way to tie-up the Ghost Gym leader/True Rival, you can make his (grand)father the Pokemon professor of the region. Or if you feel there are a lot of parents/grand parents, then the professor can be an aunt/uncle, since in Mexico families are really close and in a house you can find is lived by the grand parents, parents, children and uncles and aunts. It is less common nowadays but it was more common back in the 40's-90's.
If it could be the case...I think they may live on your hometown...but if that is the case,their relationship to the player's family and their other neighbours need to fleshed out to improve it
Cool learn something new every
but also that would be good because there a GHOST gym which would be perfect for the 40s to 90s
Also, you can make the gym trainers to be cousins (which can be older, since leadership passes down from the "main" branch) or younger siblings of the Gym leader. Back in my grandparents days the family not only was big because parents, grand parents and children lived together, but also because they were huge. My mother had five siblings and her family was small for that time, typically families tended to be of 8-12 children.
I like all of your designs, specifically Jack's rival and Claire's gym leader. What I'm not a fan of is the face paint. It fits for a gym leader to give her a strong theme almost like it's a battle outfit, but not really for a rival, an everyday person. Maybe keep the makeup around her eyes and her forehead and remove the white skull shape? I just find it "too easy" to plug in Día de los Muertos like that, I don't think you need to be such precise for us to get the theme. In a game playthrough perspective, we would encounter her as a gym leader first so we know where she comes from. It could also means that she think she don't deserve to wear the full makeup already? I don't know, I'm just rambling at this point...
Anyway, keep it up guys!
Possibly at the end, when we meet her for the last time, she's wearing the full makeup to show that she knows she's earned the right to wear it?
@@chalkprinc3 this is the best response to this, I agree with OP that it might be a bit too much if she has the full Calavera makeup all the time but having some makeup suggestive of her original design, and then it coming back in the end when she feels she has reached that point in her journey to find strength is such good symbolism.
@@spencerwilliams4413 Probably with new designs to tell her story. Like when she was Gym Leader, she had a basic design but in the end she changes it to reflect who she is. Idk, just spitballing here ladies and gents.
I agree! Just keeping some of the designs on her clothes should be enough to keep up her theme, maybe just keeping the makeup around her eyes?
Maybe when the protagonist first meets her, she wears the face paint as a tradition of the gym. That being the gym leaders always wear the face paint in battle and challenges. But when she leaves to train and become the protagonists’ rival, she loses the face paint yet still keeps hints of the Día de Los Muertos face paint in maybe her eye shadow and lips.
Playing on the family and tradition theme, I think the fake rival could actually be related to the main villain and you could show that forcing traditions onto others can be dark, harmful, and unhealthy. Evidently the gym leaders and your true rival would show that even though traditions can be outdated, they are still represented in there own way by different generations and are loved all the same. There could even be an older gym leader that doesn’t have anyone to pass down the gym to, and they have to break tradition in order to pass it down to a trainer that admired them from when they were in their youth to now. Meanwhile the main villain enforces traditions heavily on the fake rival which causes them to lose sight of their true selves.
As for Valentina, I think she should be slouching in her design when you first meet her, implicating that she really doesn’t want to be there and or is unhappy about having to be a gym leader ( with her family always telling her to stand up straight and not to slouch ). Then as you battle her, she slowly starts to stand up tall like she’s proud to be fighting you and you inspire her. And at the end when she becomes your rival, she doesn’t slouch and has a more energetic feel to her. In her gym clothes, it could be more ghostly or dead-like, like a rotting skeleton being dressed up in flowers, morbid but colorful. And then in her second design, she dresses like the final sketches. I also don’t mind her being the first gym leader, but I think adding a gym leader before her could be cool too. It’ll really show how strong your fake rival is and it’ll build up to them being the main villains family member.
But I don’t know..(〃￣ω￣〃ゞ
Yes, the jerk rival being the child of the villain just makes too much sense! Especially with these family values and traditions!
I think that is a bit too obvious and on the nose. What would be interesting to me is if the villainous team are aggressively trying to *dismantle* the traditions of the region and going about it the complete wrong way. Think about Team Plasma in the 5th generation game and how they argue that Pokemon should be free from the ownership of humans but that their motive is only a front so that Ghethis will be the only human on earth controlling Pokemon so he has the power to rule as an unchallenged tyrant. A Team with a motive you can understand, but with methods you disagree with is far more compelling.
Why not have two opposing factions; one that ruthlessly in forces traditions, while the other gose all out to destroy tradition
@@matthewbazan2111 That would be really interesting.
@@matthewbazan2111 Absolutely! Having two teams that are opposing you and each other at the same time. Sounds like Ruby and Sapphire and Black and White, but combined and better.
I had an idea that can add Pokémon to your Pokédex. Your hallowed form florges really fit the theme of the mazah region (hope I spelled that right) and I think you should complete the line by adding a flabébé and floette as offering Pokémon. If you end up doing this it would make me happy and I also find you as an inspiration for my art and creativity.I am serious about these Pokémon or “fakemon” and you have done a really great job 👏
Sincerely, Jaylon from Flyer art.🌟✨⭐️💫🌙
Also for the transition to the current gym leader, I was thinking that the new rival had a younger sibling that wanted to be gym leader but since he/she was younger she wasn't chosen. So seeing that there is an empty spot in the gym leader position the younger sibling could take the place.
Her gym could be decorated with papel picado, which is colored paper with holes that make patterns, it is used for decoration during day of the dead.
The cempasúchil flower could also be there, it is orange and is folded in on itself, which gives it a nice wavy pattern.
This character's arc reminds me a lot of Lillie from sun and moon- the outfit change to show character growth. I definitely like that it's a little more dramatic in this case.
The evil team leader could be a Fairy gym leader. Most fairy people in Pokémon have physical deformities like not aging and always have glistening black eyes, pretty creepy. Also, fairies are evil as hell.
Watching this is utterly fascinating. I’m making my own Region (who isn’t?) and seeing your Region have this style and these themes of Tradition is amazing, as it’s almost directly opposed to my own Region. The Suriva Region is brand new, having only been founded some ten years ago, previously having been hidden away from the rest of the world by the power of one of its Legendaries. The main themes of the region are shaping the future and making your mark on history, and the fact that everyone there is a fresh immigrant is an important one. Everyone is bringing their own traditions and cultures with them, but while they’re important on personal levels they just don’t shape the greater story. It’s a region based around the individuals, who are working to create ‘their Suriva’, and they all seem to have competing ideas on what that is.
If we're going on a theme of heritage and family, and gyms being passed down, maybe one could have been adopted?
And to bounce off of this idea, perhaps that gym leader is lacking is self-confidence as a result of others looking down on them due to being adopted.
My grandma never liked her name, that her parents chose for her.
It used to be sort of tradition to give names from what the day of their birth is (her second/middle name) and the name of one of the parents mother (her first name ).
My great great grandma's name ( from my great grandpa's side):Jacinta
She was born in the day of the amalias
So they named her Jacinta Amalia
( It was a tradition that in the time my grandma was born to her teens was semi done. They were starting to get into the sense of naming their children after telenovelas )
I really like the First drawing, the one with the sweat pants. It really breaks the boundaries that have been set by the previous games of your rival always wearing jeans and a coat or sweatshirt of some sort.Her wearing the sweat pants and baggy coat is her rejecting not only the president set by her family and their tradition, but also the president for the games as a whole. Love that idea!
For the next gym leader, maybe a fire type, Someone who has a raging temper that he lets out on the battle field. Maybe he eats hot peppers before a battle to get his temper flaring? After his battle streak being broken by you and your rival(s), he realises that he should calm down and not take losing so seriously (and decides that peppers aren't good before battles). When you battle him again (if you do) he could have gained a water/fire type as his second ace/ runner up pokemon.
Design wise, maybe something close to a cowboy (orange flannel with rolled up sleeves, blue jeans with tears, beige cowboy hat with the badge as an emblem on the band around his hat, caucasian in skin tone, etc.)
I hope that you see this Mr. Jack and Ms. Claire!
I feel like the "fake" rival could go in a couple of really interesting thematic directions. Once of them being that he's stuck in the traditions of the region and is basically someone who's a trainer because that what his parents where and their parents were, and he was trained to be extremely good at battles but he's not actually interested in battling. This would work best if Pokemon contests were a thing in this region or something similar. The other option I thought of was that he's an outsider who's been othered because of his skill that threatens the traditions of idk some important family who's trying to save face by crushing him, although that would also work for the player character much better.
I love the idea of the theme of the region being ideological differences! It ties directly into the idea of your starters being based on communication, The arching theme of the game could be bridging the gap between different ideologies and this could be explored in a ton of ways! For example not only could you use the theme of tradition vs free expression and generational differences, as shown through your idea for the rival; but you could also explore the cultural differences of the Maza region by having the second gym actually be two gyms, with one gym leader representing the Spanish conquistador aspect of the culture (maybe a catholic religious theme? descendent of conquistadors?), and the other gym leader representing the culture of the native Mazans (maybe a kind of Aztec or Mayan theme? Descendent of an Mazan warrior?) these two gyms could both be the “second” gym and exist in a rivalry with each other, with each claiming the rights to being that area’s gym. Your character could try to find a way to bridge the gap between them while choosing which one you want to battle while your rival battles the other (your “fake” rival will already have beat them both of course)
The second sketch that you did looks most appealing to me and you guys could keep some of that concept to her final design
This guy's "sketches" is most detailed that my drawings
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i know it wired, but i would really like to see a steel type gym, i could be passed down through a family that owns and works in a construction company and the gym itself is still being built and the leader actually refuses to give his post up to his kid
Mining was a big thing for Mexico (it still kind of is), specially silver, so I think a steel-type gym could be based on a big mine or something, could also have a bit an environmentalist message in there.
Love the idea of the first gym leader becoming a recurring character and a rival to the protagonist.
I also thought about the idea of the original rival taking over as the gym leader before you actually mentioned it, haha.
I think maybe the way it could be done is the character arc for the gym leader can span from when you sort of enter the town of the gym, to after you beat her. There can be an event after you get the gym badge (maybe with the evil team of the region showing up to wreak havoc on the town) that allows you to bond with the gym leader and interact more with the grandmother, understanding their dynamic etc., then when you finish that mini-adventure it could feel more earned for the gym leader to understand their goals more and gain the courage to tell their grandmother how they feel (maybe it's like they were able to stand up to the antagonists alongside you easily, so they figure if they can stand up to a pseudo-terrorist group lol (which is really what the evil teams are in the pokemon games) then they should be able to tell their family how they feel). She could also realise as she does the quest with you that she prefers a more action-heavy and exploration-based life, as opposed to the monotonous role of being a gym leader and just letting trainers come to you. The time with this quest would as I said allow the gym leader's arc to take place in a fleshed out way over time,and it would also feel more natural for the original rival to take over because it's not a sudden decision that came out of nowhere but a response to the situation and conflict that developed
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Hey, in terms of the story for the Mazah region there are some cool ideas I think you could use. So the obvious one is the idea of the past verses the present and the future with their being a now heavy divide between the mindsets of the older generation and the new generation.
So for example, in the Mazah region you would have two groups, one with youngsters and 'delinquents' who are tired of traditions trying down thier path options in life and dictating how they live thier lives. They dont hate the traditions but rather how they are now being incorporated to their lives. They want to respect the traditions in thier own way but also show their love for thier culture in a new way
And then you have the older generation who see them as causing trouble and disrespecting thier fore fathers. They understand that the younger generation wants to show thier respect in a different way about they feel that the 'delinquents' arnt taking the time to fully learn and understand the traditions of the past
And now throughout the region there is this rift growing between the two generations and they are getting more polarising
Which is where your idea of the gym system could come in. With a concept that in ancient times there was a war between the people of Mazah and neighbouring regions (referring to the Mayan wars and skirmishes that used to occur), during which the 18 chieftains rallied together and defeated the enemy. And so to reward thier efforts, the legendary pokemon blessed the 18 chieftains with immeasurable power, and it is through that bloodline that the now 18 gym leaders rule (with the elite 4 and champion of the region being appointed by chair of elders, though more lore can be placed there)
So now the chair has allowed a new gym to open after with the leader being someone outside of the 'Nobel bloodline'
And the region is in a big divide over how this situation should be handled
And maybe the main antagonist could be a malicious diety pokemon that has awoken due to all the negative energy
And defiting that pokemon would like the boss battle climax of the story
An idea 🤷🏾♂️😅
Anyone feel free to add your own ideas and take this apart or build on it!
This is why the pokemon team needs to listen to fans. These ideas are so much better than real pokemon ones
I think it is important to define whether or not the gym leaders use their real team in this game, but I think it makes sense for such a young and new leader to have her challenge team be her full team. I also love the street clothes design because it looks great and also symbolizes self expression as you said.
What if when she is the gym leader she has different makeup giving her an obviously fake smile with her putting up with her family and instead show the exhaustion with her job through her eyes and that could change when she leaves, instead taking away the makeup and replacing it with an actual smile and a more confident look.
the fire gym leader (if you have one) should be a cook who uses a lot of spicy flavors like pepper for his refined dishes
I think it will be a good thing
Dont they have a pepper pokemon too? Like, in the subjectly lineup of the massa region.
The Grass Main Player: *MAMMAAA*
@Ibrahim Irufaahu Ismail exact
I dont think that would be a good idea. That is just a stereotype.
I think the grandma’s perception of you inspiring the gym leader would come off stronger if the player and her were childhood friends.
I also really like the idea of her individualizing her family’s traditional style. I think maybe making the jacket sleeves more puffed, adding small grilled details on her pants/shorts/top, and maybe a rose pin on her bag or in her hair might be some good ideas to display that theme.
Seeing as Mari (I decided to follow an idea in the comment thread started by Hunter Larrison and name her Mari) doesn't feel like she wants to follow in her family tradition of being a gym leader, I thought it'd be an interesting contrast to have a sibling who wants nothing more than to be a gym leader. I feel like an older sibling would be a perfect foil to Mari's thinking. And not just an older sibling, I think she needs an older brother. I figure having him be a fighting-type gym leader would be an interesting contrast to his sister's ghost-type gym. He'd have the same Dios de Los Muertos motif about him, but instead of a human skull painted onto his face, he'd have something akin to a bull's skull. This would also fit with his own unique theme; el matador. The way I see it, Mari and her brother's family have a central theme of death around them. Their abuela (grandmother) was a ghost-type gym leader, their abuelo (grandfather) was the grass-type gym leader, who specialized in flowers that honored the dead. Their mother is the current psychic-type gym leader, acting as a medium between the living and the dead, while their father is a Dark-type gym leader who acts as a shaman and uses magic that centers around death and communication with the dead. Now, if you're asking what a matador has to do with death, a matador is an entertainer whose number one task is to fight the bull to the death. Preferably the bull's death, but sometimes the bull wins. He is proud and boastful, claiming that his family has the strongest line of gym leaders in all of the Mazah region, and that he is the greatest of all his family. He defends his family's "honor" as gym leaders very sternly, boasting about their skills and talents as the best. He even brags about Mari being the greatest ghost-type gym leader there is, saying that she can even talk to them. This of course puts a lot of unwanted pressure on Mari's shoulders, making her want less and less to do with being a gym leader.
Also, since I mentioned over half of the gym leaders already as being part of one family (grass, psychic, dark, ghost, and fighting), it might be interesting to make the rest of the gym leaders a part of another family. Have a bit of a family rivalry going on between the two houses. Both claim to be the best gym leader family in the region and fight tooth and nail with each other to prove their point. But, Mari, not wanting to be a gym leader, goes against her family's backs, and falls in love with a member of their rivals. Like the Romeo and Juliet movie starring Leonardo Dicaprio. Of course, nobody dies in this retelling of the story, but the drama would still be there.
hey! i have an idea: this is sort of unrelated, but i was thinking that in almost every game there are double-battle trainers you can encounter, and some of the characters are couples so i was thinking that maybe you could design a same-sex couple to encounter? i feel like that would be really cool 😳 just a suggestion.
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That would be great! As long as their personalities aren’t based off that they are gay, actually make them characters. Like make one more feminine and has support characters and one more masculine that deals with the damage part of the battle. Or switch it to be like, the small feisty one and the big pushover. Good suggestion!
@@alikat9498 what do you mean personalities based on being gay?? Also why does one have to be feminine and one masculine lmao
@@mg-oe3qr I feel like they meant, give them actual personalities instead of making stereotypes. But then they kind of lead into stereotypes, so I’m not really sure XD
@@alikat9498 So no stereotypes, but then you contradicted yourself by making it about... stereotypes. Good job in playing yourself.
I can see a sort of "breaking tradition and making it your own thing" kinda theme in these gym leaders, keeping tradition but changing it to better suit their personally. The younger the trainer, the less traditional their outfits will be.
I really like both of Jack's designs for her. Also, I have come up with a name: Diana. Or Dia for short. Y'know, like _Dia_ de los Muertos!
I wanna hit dislike but I can't due to the genius and that i chuckled when i saw this. Good job.
And maybe her grandmother, although accepting that she doesn't want to be Gym Leader, refuses to call Dia, well, Dia and instead maintains that her name is Diana
@@sandros7k453 That would probably happen either way. Family members tend stick to one name regardless of complaints and situations.
Really dig your concepts! Specifically the one with the yellow jacket seems to work really well.
I'm not really sure about the 2nd gym leader (although I really like the idea of a steel or fire one) but I'd like to leave a suggestion for the possible 3rd or 4th gym leader:
Since the third rival seems to be sweeping through both the player and the gym at this time, you could possibly play with the idea that said rival begins to struggle with the 3d/4th gym, by making this gym dependant on your start pokemons type, like we had it in B/W already. For example, if you pick the grass starter, then your rival with his fire starter has to face the same water-type gym as you.
Combining all those types into a fitting theme for one single gym could be a real challenge though, so maybe there need to be three seperate designs for that.
Some tinkering with this idea lead me to the idea that that rival, faced with a challenge he can't overcome himself, starts joining the rival team of the game.
On that note here's another quick idea: maybe that rival team is focused on the whole idea (again playing with that day-ofthe-dead-thematic) of bringing pokemon back to live. They might even despise the traditions like day of the dead and are working on something that could get incorporated into a new game mechanic; a Pokemons afterlife.
It's just a rough concept for sure, but I'd like to imagine that certain Pokemon (whilst holding an item) get an afterlife ability, such as "If this Pokemon reaches Zero HP, then continue fighting for two more rounds, although half damage" or something like that.
Wow, ou guys really inspired me with this one, keep going strong with your stuff!
I love Claire's "rival" design the most, especially the hair cut! That's so powerful! And I like the dress and design for the "gym leader" design jack did, but I wish it had more comours than just white and pink
also just a suggestion: maybe blur the thumbnail so the actual image is more of a surprise to the viewers
Maybe put just the sillouette like the "who's that pokemon" thing
Don't they already have black silhouettes on the thumbnail, or did they change it in the last 30mins?
OMG Please do this :3 I like being surprised but the thumbnails kinda spoil it =[
First off, positives:
I really like the first design of Val, after she becomes your rival, letting her hair down and wearing more casual clothes. I also really like the second design for her in her gym leader regalia, it definitely feels more unique while also keeping that traditional look.
Where it can be improved:
I think one neat way to portray that theme of she really doesn’t like being a gym leader, maybe her makeup isn’t complete, or barely any effort put into it. Like maybe her bun is a bit messy, maybe it could be a skull mask instead of actually being makeup. Also, going on with that idea, maybe when she casts off the title of gym leader, she doesn’t wear the makeup anymore. I think that could be a cool reveal for the player, after having seen her this whole time in the full, traditional outfit, the transformation between before and after I think would be even more like “wow!” Without that makeup, while also showing how she really is coming into her own style.
I like the makeup, and I like how they stated that it’s her way of respecting their culture still. Maybe her makeup would change and reflect her personality more?
I would like a poison type gym leader, as there are a lot of poisonous animals in Mexico that are actually not very deadly, but they do hurt and could potentially take a life, reflected in a gym leader who's outward appearance is very toxic and threatening, but is a much softer person then once thought, but still can put up a fight, and their themes could be the downsides or toxic sides of these traditions, like not being completely traditional in their battle style like raihan and being shunned by their family for it.
If you want a Grandma and Granddaughter relationship, possibly the grandma could cheer her granddaughter every few rounds giving her a random stat boost that lasts until the next cheer.
Love the idea surrounding this ghost gym leader/rival character. Hope you stick with her. Also, here's an idea, since we have a Team Rocket stand-in count as a technical gym leader in the past two games, AND Giovanni himself being both Team Rocket's leader and the Ground Gym Leader. Maybe we can play with that too.
Like, have this Team Rocket stand-in be a stand-in for the infamous cartel. They sell illegal potions to naive trainers that either get their Pokemon sick, or go crazy, but also make it addictive. They're not a main antagonist group, but they are a legitimate issue unlike Skull and Yell. And their capo would be the Poison Gym Leader, and to go into the theme of passing down the generations. The Capo has MANY admins who are all his "sons" in a way that he took them all under his wing while they were street urchins, and they send up fighting the player in an attempt to inherit his spot once he retires. Which gradually builds up to the point when you actually have to fight the Capo himself, after your "rival" just managed to barely beat him.
Can you imagine this character, as an act of passive-aggressive rebellion, having ghost-thpe pokèmons but pointedly avoiding to use ghost-type attacks? I think it would be hilarious!
bruh i was just looking at the post you made about this
Maybe to go along with the switching up mechanics and tradition type thing, maybe you could have a later gym leader be one who uses Mazdian forms of Pokémon, or even just several different types of Pokémon instead of just one singular type for a gym!
I like the sketch with the yellow hoodie the best. I think it’s the most dynamic, and the one with the best silhouette.
I think the name Cassandra could work well for your new character design. The nickname Cassie is also youthful and doesn’t feel forced.