Stop Using Extra Fast Rods!
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- What advantages or disadvantages do you encounter when using extra fast action rods. In this video I’ll explain to you my thoughts on rod actions and why you might be surprised to find out that you’re not using the right rod for the situation.
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I was born and raised in Chicago, but after working 12 years in the financial Industry regulating the futures and options markets at the CME/CBOT I decided to pursue my passion fishing professional tournaments and left my full time corporate job. At that point, I moved to Junction City, WI with my wife Sara and two boys Hank and Duke. I've been fishing professionally since 2011 and full-time since 2015. I've qualified for six MLF Championships and won roughly a half million in tournament winnings at the professional level.
100% agree. I've also found that moderate to fast action rods allow one's cast to be more accurate when chunking down the bank. We're living in good times in terms of quality fishing gear. Today's gear is way ahead of stuff from just 15 years ago. Thanks for the video, killing time on the trailer waiting for the lightning to pass......
Yeah the eqioment just keeps getting better and better....although prices seem to be going higher with it haha
Nailed it!
Fast action is good for quick hooksets and provides more feel of the bait overall.
BUT fish can, and wil get off more easely.
Thanks
YES. FINALLY someone who gets it! Rod, reel, and line all work together as one tool. The popularity of braid and fluoro, which have very low stretch, adds to the issue. I personally prefer moderation and versatility in all things, including my fishing rods.
Thanks Matt, more solid advice!
Great comment! You are completely right!
I agree, that's why I use braid with a leader on all my rods. If I need straight braid, I cut the leader off. If the situation calls for a leader I add 8 ft of fluorocarbon or mono as needed
Man, your words of wisdom, knowledge and experience are so much appreciated every time I hear you talking. I put your suggestions to work at a given time and never disappoints me. Nothing complicated, just plain and simple said so rookies like me can better understand the Sport. Thanks again for all you do and Keep the videos coming!!
Thanks for the kind words!
That was the absolute best explanation of rod power and action that I have ever heard. Everything else you talked about is exactly why I stick with my old fiberglass !
Glad it was helpful!
I can agree with you. The one area I do like the extra fast is when I am using a longer rod in that 7' 6" or longer rod. I think it really shines in having that length. I also tend to like longer rods than most.
And I would add that the longer rods general are slightly slower since the rods naturally will be slightly more parabolic.
I stopped using the one rod I have that qualified as an extra fast rod about three years ago. I totally agree with you on this.
Thanks I definitely think a lot of anglers think extra fast is better because of the increased sensitivity but its hurting them more than they know
I didn’t realize this until I started building the Elite X rods. I started setting the hook before the fish could even close their mouth on the bait. Now I’ve trained myself after getting a bite to spend the extra split second to get in position for the hook set. Gives me that little extra time for the fish to close their mouth and turn. Good content, key info for everybody for sure.
Exactly! We just need to be aware of the rods we are using. the sensitivity in those blanks is unreal...But you've got to be aware of it like you are! Great comment thanks for sharing!
Matt Stefan Fishing keep making these good vids so I can keep commenting. Lol
Completely agree, I grew up on fast actions and fell out of fishing for years, coming back to it I grabbed an extra fast because thats what the tackle shop told me I needed and I was having trouble setting the hook to early on it unlike when I fished 15 years earlier. Switched to a fast action and now I can tell when the fish actually has the bait or if it was just a quick peck or nibble. It helps to have a greater range of motion in the rod tip to see how much load the fish is putting on the line
thanks!
Best tutorial on rod power and action that I have heard.
Glad to help
I'm with you on this one to a point, I usually combine the rod action with the main line to use with,for example if i have a extra fast rod i use mono or copolymer that are more forgiving than braid if i have moderate action i use a slower reel and braid to compensate but for the most part you're right
I agree with you. I should have mentioned that the angler needs to be very aware of the line characteristics that they are using when paired with different types of rods. Great point!
100% agree. I've always leaned to the slower side on rod actions and have had great luck not losing fish as well as the fish getting the bait better like you said.
Right on
I never understood rods, I've been fishing for years and never even heard these terms before. I am so glad I saw this video, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I have both, for large mouth especially with texas style worm, give me fast/extra fast. If you're not getting good hook set due to early hook set, you need to adjust your timing.
With fast action don't try to hoss your fish out of the water, don't support the butt of the rod against your body, and loosen up on you grip a bit, and take a quick breath/relax when you get a fish on.
For smaller fish, slower action for sure, for exactly what you said.
Now I use almost exclusively monofilament line too, so that adds some stretch over braid. Could be I'm making up the difference there...
Thanks for sharing!
Fantastic video! I'm a novice. A weekend warrior kind of fisherman. I'm trying to get to the next level. I've watched numerous videos trying to understand rod speed and action. "Talk, talk, talk!" I don't get, nor do I retain, the information in these videos. Your video with the picture made my ah-ha light come on. Your further description of how the hook set action loses fish made it all come home to roost! Excellent job.
Glad to help
Nice feed. You can always adjust the reel brakes to your rod's sensitivity though. If it's extra fast you can loosen the brakes, if It's moderate, you can tighten them.
yep but controlling drag is not as easy as it sounds but it will help adjust the rod performance
Agree 💯% I lost a lot of bass just near the kayak while using extra fast rods while it didn't happen when I used a very old moderate trout rod instead. I thought that it was because the moderate action of the rod was more able to absorb the force of the fish jumping while the fast rod wasn't. Since then I don't use extra fast rods from the kayak anymore and I prefere moderate fast actions when I fish from the kayak. From the land the issue is not so much as from the kayak, I believe that the standing position vs the sitting near the water position played a big role as well
Thanks for watching!
I think you nailed it, Matt! I totally agree.
Thanks!
I agree and with everything thrown at the public that learning or wanting to be the best. You can spend thousands with out trying because everything is so convincing that you need to have it. I also feel it’s all about your confidence too in when you’re fishing.
agreed
Matt, great video and topic. I have to agree whole heartedly with you. I am in the process of upgrading my rods this year and I find even my new crankbait / chatterbait glass rod is extremely sensitive. Fast or med-fast action for single hood baits/jigs, moderate/ med tip or glass for treble hook baits is my setup.
Right on!
We as fishermen have a lot of rods and reels and I have some EF, F, M rods. I don’t have anything Slow. Usually what I tend to do is tighten the drag on my moderate rods and slightly loosen it on my EF and F actions. I do this also when I fish mono. I’ll tighten the drag and loosen it on flouro or braid. Just enough to offset the load or lack of there of on the rods
thanks for sharing!
Excellent info and explanation. Been looking for this. I have a much better understanding now. 👍
awesome!
100% on the money. I wish I would of had this knowledge 3-4 years ago. It would have saved me much heartache.
I've definitely learned the hard way as well. haha
No matter what action your rod has, the best way to get distance is to have at least 2ft of line hanging from the rod tip when casting. This allows you to load your line and lure much better. This works very well with baitcasters because it also decreases your spools startup speed reducing backlashes as well. The shorter the line the quicker your lure will move on the cast.
thanks for sharing
Agreed. More details, with some variations...
Rod Flexibility: A longer, more flexible rod can generate higher line speed during the cast, allowing for longer casts. However, these rods require *more* line to be fully loaded, which might influence how much line you have hanging out.
Loading the Rod: When you cast a fishing rod, you load energy into the rod by bending it. This energy is released when the rod straightens during the cast, propelling the lure forward. Having an appropriate amount of line out allows the rod to load properly and efficiently transfer energy to the cast.
Line Weight: The weight of the lure affects how much force is required to load the rod and how much energy is transferred to the cast. Heavier lures might require *more* line to be let out in order to load the rod optimally.
Friction and Air Resistance: More line hanging out means more friction and air resistance during the cast. This can slow down the cast and reduce the distance achieved. Therefore, there's a balance between having enough line for proper loading and not having so much line that it negatively impacts the cast.
Casting Technique: Different casting techniques, such as overhead casting, sidearm casting, or roll casting, can influence how much line is needed for an effective cast.
Why they got a screw in place now so what's the problem? 😭
Thanks Matt took your sugestión to build my own rods and taking beginner course from mud hole. Thanks again for explaining a complicated topic.
Glad to help!
This is a great breakdown on rods. I appreciate the advice.
You bet
Very grate video, very informative talk. I think the same as you, my opinion that in many cases extra fast rods cal lead you to fish loose. Cause extra fast rod can't bend so much in U shaped curve to absorb moving fish power. And in opposite if rod is fast or moderate fast action in guarantees to you that you fishing line is always in tension and you wil not have any slack line when fish will change its moving speed or direction.
Well said!
I think you're right on this point and this is particularly noticiable when using barbless hooks. I've been using a fast action rod and recently changed from a monofilament to a flurocarbon leader. Yes I got a massive load of hook ups from the change but also lost a ridiculous number of fish as well. My friend who was using a medium action rod on the same flurocarbon set up caught more fish. My conclusion was that as flurocarbon doesn't stretch and my rod doesn't bend as much there were moments when playing a fish that there was simply not enough tension on the line. I think if you want to use a fast action rod then make sure you have a monofiliament leader and may be drop to a medium action rod when using flurocarbon.
thanks for sharing!
I learned with a few custom GLoomis cb’s I have...If I hook it.... it’s caught. They are so forgiving.Even with little size 8 trebles. The hard part is finding the right action rod for the specific task without spending years trial and error. I want the most sensitive, lightest, fastest parabolic rod you can get....Shouldn’t be hard.
Thanks for your videos... subscribed.
Great input! Thanks for sharing and subscribing!
The St Croix Avid is the perfect blend of stunning sensitivity and moderate action - I rarely use my very fast Legend Elite rods,
thanks for sharing
Amazing just amazing detail you’ve been in the water longer than most I highly appreciate you thanks brother
I appreciate that!
I use a extra fast Action works great for musky fishing and Northern pike fishing is my go to for 39" and bigger fish meed it to be stiffiy on my tip to set big lures. Bass fishing not so much moderate to fast Action only for Bass. Trout fishing slow to moderate Action works great. This is great show 👊🏼 respect. Doing it properly. Not a boat guy my kid's can keep that stuff is not for me bank where I'm safe 🤦 yes afraid of water.
Good stuff
Have to agree especially baits with treble hooks, Spot on...
yep!
i think it depends on rod manufacters because there are really no standers .i also think that the lines we use today have a lot to do with the way your rod preforms and you can change a lot of those things by the way you set up your drag on the reel you have to find that sweet spot in all three parts of your setup to make things work the best . thanks for sharing
I agree completely. You have to be aware of your rods limitations when matched with different lines and reels.
100%. I couldn't get a hook to stick on stocked trout with mono and a ultralight rod so I switched to braid and stopped losing fish.
Thanks for explaining this in a way I never have heard
No problem! Thanks for watching!
I was using Ugly Stik GX2'S or other composite Ugly Stiks for everything and I realized I was missing bites and couldn't feel my jigs. I started using a 6" graphite rod my dad gave me and I felt a lot more bites, but I was missing a lot of fish and losing hooked fish when I used Texas Eye jigs and Snake locks. So I recently got a 7' all graphite Ugly Stik Inshore Carbon with a medium power and fast tip. What a difference. Huge. I feel my 10 lb braid sliding across grass now that I couldn't feel before. It's less tip heavy and lighter weight too, and I don't miss nearly as many bites. Those EWG hooks dig into flounder and redfish jaws better too. I definitely need more all graphite rods. The composite Ugly Stiks are fine for live bait and some lures but they suck for 1/8-3/8 oz jigs and that's what I use about 95% of the time. I'd rather have a GX2 for trolling too. Now I want a more sensitive spinning rod for 3/8 oz and up jigs and heavier. And a couple baitcasters too. I agree that extra fast action is too fast, but finally having a fast action graphite rod has been a game changer for me.
Thanks for sharing
Great stuff Matt....always had a question about this exact topic!! Answered my questions!! Thank you!!
Glad to help!
Excellent points...right on.
With moving baits you need to be able to feed the fish the lure. Too fast of an action just pulls it away
Rod manufacturers have done a terrible job on this. Everything is labeled fast action. They should adopt your pictogram to show how the rod bends
Also the explosion of braid, which offers no stretch, exacerbates the problem
You are 100% right! Line choice affects the rods action dramatically!
I fish primarily braid to leader and I've long since went to moderate action rods for any moving baits with exposed hooks
sounds good!
You didn't mention another point, and the one that made the most sense to me and influenced me to start going with slower actions. With the strong hooksets power-fishermen get with the fast and xtra fast rods while using braid, you rip big holes in a fish's mouth, and they can easily shake loose when fighting. With a slower action you can get better hooksets while maintaining the sensitivity with braid.
very true!
That is why I lost few good fishes on my extra fast rods,couldn’t set the good hook set 😢
Sorry to hear that
Great information Matt! Really loving the content you put out ! Keep it coming sir!
Much appreciated! Thank you!
you are right in bass fishing，but in walleye fishing，especially jigging，extra fast is better
Stick with what you have confidence in
Walleye,steelhead, plke,musky.....I'll stick to fast
Thank you. Sort of new to batecaster reels and can't get any distance. I'm going to a medium to a slow action rod. Thanks
batecaster
best of luck!
Yup they look good on TV and They can edit out a lot of the misses , I started using Ark Rods and it made a big difference in landing fish, Going video 💯
I think you made a good choice!
Dry informative and something I needed to hear. Thanks,
Glad it was helpful!
I couldnt agree more. I switched rod companies because the brand I was using, have faster actions. Add that to the fact I really like to jack em, and was loosing a bunch of fish. Couple years ago went with a brand that had mire moderate actions and couldnt be happier, my hook to land ratio has gone up significantly.
Omg!!! Exactly same scenatio. I always lose 5 out of 7 strikes… thanks guide guide
You're welcome!
Thanks for explaining the actions of rods for this old timer
You bet
@@MattStefanFishing thanks for your reply
I agree with everything you’ve said. Most of my rods are a moderate fast a few fast no extra fast.
Thanks for watching!
I love my MH 7'1 moderate fast
Makes sense, 100% agree with you. Thanks Matt
Thanks for watching!
I use moderate action glass rods works Great with treble hooks and chatterbaits
Thanks for sharing
Wow Matt what a lesson I learned. Thanks
Glad to help
Another great topic. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've missed almost every hookset on a chatterbait and swim jig and I think this finally taught me why
glad to help!
@@MattStefanFishingwhich one do you recommend for squid fishing ? I want the longest distance possible
I agree alot of rods thes days can be to fast I like a mod fast to mod depending on the what bait i throw but for a bottom bait a fast action
Also rod load is key if fishing from the bank and even on the water for example say a crank bait rod has good flex well on the cast with a heavy crank bait you can load your rod on the cast
good points! thanks for sharing!
It’s crazy, because before this video. I’ve been thinking the same thing. Because I use a lot of swimbait and I like the mod-fast action because i feel like I catches more fish and I do realize that every time I remove the hook from the fish it’s more deep down inside rather than on the lip.
Right on
To make a rod that you don't feel the bottom or bite or what your bait is going over, Use tungsten. This makes your rod more sensitive and braid adds to this.
Line and weights do make a difference. Go to lead weights for a quieter approach too. Lead is good for extra fast rods and monofilament fishing line, you get more stretch.
all very good points. You can definitely change tackle to increase or decrease sensitivity. Thanks for sharing
Great content. Wondering if you could do a video on early spring fishing in Upper Midwest. I seem to struggle locating bass, when the water temps are in the mid 40's and lower, especially on flowages. Would love to hear how you would approach flowages and river systems in the upper Midwest.
Ill put it on the list! Thanks for the idea!
Check out Fish the Moment, he's into bass fishing.
Really good topic, and you see a lot of pros talking about the benefits of a more parabolic action than something that's super quick and fast. I couldn't agree with you more, I've moved away from extra fast actions on just about every setup I have in the fastest that I'll go is a fast action and I have a lot more rods with more moderate fast actions than I've ever had and because of it I feel like I get more of my fish to the boat than not. Big fan of the channel, I think you're doing a great job I like the topics that you cover in the way that you cover them.
Awesome! Thank you!
I'm fishing only top water lures (spinning) and rarely some sinking lures and my extra fast rod has never let me down. It hooks nicely and makes the fish tired way wayyy quicker than my other regular action spinning rod I have.
stick with what you have confidence in
@@MattStefanFishing yeah I guess you're right about that!
I build rods and feel fast and medium fast are good all around actions, while extra fast, moderate and slow are very technique specific actions.
Agreed
just bought a med heavy mod fast rod. best all around rod in my opinion
Cant argue with that!
I agree! MH Mod Fast for the win!! Very versatile. my current favorite is the 6th Sense ESP rods, awesome!
Mono helps take up the shock on fast action rods compared to florocarbon line.
line choice dramatically alters rod action. its an important component to consider.
love my extra fast jwr so crispy but i use a long fc leader to absorb some of the shock
I grew up fishing a true medium heavy rod. I got use to setting the hook with those rods. With fast action rods the amount of travel on the hook set is almost double of a true medium heavy to produce the same results. I could never get use to that and stayed with what works.
Thats all that matters. Stick to what you like best!
I am doing pike fishing. And the fast rods are not comfortable at all and as you said, it is quite easy to loose fish. Pike tends to jump out of water to shake off the hook, and when a fast rod, l loose them at lot when they do that. And for pike fishing, there is no need to set hooks anyway, their attacks are so aggressive that they set the hooks for you.
agreed!
I really like your theory on alot if fishing related tips videos I have a very similar opinion on many situations.
Thanks for watching!
Great stuff. I've long suspected or theorized such pros/cons of rod actions as variables in overall rod ability; If you gain in an attribute here, you lose in an attribute there, but you just don't hear about these things being talked about like they should. Thank you for your insights pro.
Thanks for watching!
Dobyns makes a good rod for folks that are looking for this type action. A very balanced rod with a tiny bit slower action. Until you pay for an Extacy. Then all bets are off!! Ever try Dobyns Matt? Thoughts?
I used one dobyns rod years ago and I thought it was a good rod, but I cant really say I have much experience with them.
Makes total sense 👍 thanks Matt.
Thanks for watching!
Hey Matt great video great topic. I can only speak from personal experience, I don’t own any extra fast action rods. I do own alot of fast action rods. And on certain techniques like fishing a chatter bait I have lost numerous fish because I believe the action of the rod is too fast. I am definitely looking at moderate fast action rod‘s as the sweet spot for moving baits. And fast action rods for bottom contact Baits.
Completely agree with you! Thanks for your great comment and for watching!
WWF!!
@@davidsedlacek3855 what’s going on brotha!!
True, but for jig worms and neds, the extra fast rod is more sensitive and you can impart more action on your lure. In addition, you can get by with a lighter rod by using an extra fast rod as it will have more backbone. As Gary Loomis says, "weight is deterrrent to performance."
To each their own
Makes a lot of sense. Good video. 👍🏼
Glad it was helpful!
I use extra-fast action rods, because it helps me catch those panfish! Now when I'm doing drop-shot, I'll consider a fast-moderate action rod but otherwise, I'm sticking with the extra-fast and fast action rod because I have a delayed reaction to setting the hook.
One thing I routinely repeat in fishing is to do what makes you comfortable. A rod I may not prefer may be a rod that works best for you. Stick to what works! Thanks for the comment!
@@MattStefanFishing
I agree 100% with your comment! Comfortability and the way someone is wired is what determines how a person should fish.
Thanks for the great video! Can you please share some of your favorite blanks that you build on and what you use them for?
ill do a video to get more specific, but my favorites are the FP885, NMB873, NMB874, CB906, and SJ871
All are made by MHX
Thank you! Looking forward to it
Looking forward to this
Is there a case for a moderate spinning rod vs fast action for an all purpose medium power rod or are those more for crankbaits or top waters?
Jerkbaits
If you want to fish an Ex Fast taper, use hybrid or mono line so there is some give
agreed
I use extra fast and if you don't slack line hook set there's a chance you indicate the bite earlier and people don't feel the bite they just feel a little weight.
You definitely have to be more aware of your rods capabilities when using extra fast action.
Agree, I don’t have anything over fast personally
thanks!
Yoy can also fine tune your rods action with line (braid, flouro , mono)
Agreed
It all depends on what your fishin for,I like my shimano terama spinning 8' extra heavy extra fast for surf casting or poppin,walking the dog,can't do that with a moderate action rod.
stick with what works for you
The lights fast lose line capabilities. Med heavy 8/17 some go to 20
thanks for watching
I've been saying this to many people but they don't believe me but I understand because I was on that side of the argument before too. I stopped losing fish and bending hooks.
THanks!
X fast is throwing a bait far out, moderate and slow is hooking fish up until in the net!
thanks for watching
I like the extra fast action on frog fishing I just lost a giant on a moderate action Avid x
If I was using my Mojo Bass he would have been pegged a lot better and this is the second time it’s happened to me on top water with this Avid X chromed out spook got away as well that doesn’t happen with my extra fast 150 dollar Mojo Bass only when using my 240 dollar Moderate Avid X and I feel it has everything to do with the power of my hook set I love both rod but when it comes to top water I’m sticking to my Mojo Bass period
Stick with what you have confidence in. But I would agree that with a frog you want a fast action rod. youve got to be able to get the hooks penetrated.
it depends on the fisherman , the way they set the hook and fight the fish , that being said there is still a use for extra fast action on some techniques , specifically spinning rods with finesse presentation , light line and a loose drag , thats just my opinion.
agree there is a place but an angler needs to be fully aware of the rods performance
I use mostly fast and moderate, the oz rating makes a difference as well allot of medium heavy rods have different oz ratings, my medium heavy rods for flipping are 1 oz and I also have medium heavy rods rated up to 3/4 oz witch to me are fast. Allot of moderate rods are rated around 5/8 oz. max, just what I look at.
yep you definitely need to pay attention to that as well. You don't want to overload a rod with to heavy of a bait. Thanks for sharing!
Your awesome but my favorite rod st croix ml extra fast 6'8" my all time favorite
Stick with what you have confidence in
Just got a 6-10 st croix med light extra fast and I KEEP LOSING smallies after hook set running tubs and swim baits…. They just pop right off for no reason! Really pissing me off
the extra fast is not helping you
Glad found your channel, I like your options and veiws on fishing.. I totally agree with you on this and like some, I learned this the hard way lol many lost fish, especially smallies with how hard the dig
Welcome aboard!
Extra Fast action is great for a Texas rig. Not much else.
Also the line that you use makes a huge difference. Mono and Flouro stretch but braid doesn’t. So braid makes a rod act a lot faster than mono or flouro.
I use an extra fast rod with braid only for Texas rigs.
Stick with what works for you
Everyone is on the sensitivity tip and this is why there so many people using extra fast Action on a heavy or extra heavy power rod just to much your not getting 15 lbs fish on every cast. The average guy bass is 5 lbs bass or less I'll say medium heavy power fast Action is maxed out for me for Bass fishing. And that's to much but for heavy Grass powns only I would need it for
Thanks for sharing
What about fishing for zander??
i would think its the same
I think most people confuse sensitivity vs fast action. Extra fast plus braid or braid to a floro leader is just way to fast IMO....I started using Dobyns Sierra series and they are known not to be super fast....and they are perfect for chatterbaits, swim jigs and bottom contact baits.....not too slow and not too fast.
Great Point! Line choice makes a huge impact on rod performance!
@@MattStefanFishing Exactly. I prefer to use a mono leader on braid, especially for Chatterbaits, Swim Jigs and Spinnerbaits.
Dang, I just got an Okuma Serrano 731M extra fast. I been really really wanting to get into fishing but literally don’t know anyone who fishes and my brother got me that rod as a gift lol
im sure you can still find good uses for it
Excellent information 👌
thanks!
I never use an extra fast rods most of mine are med/heavy fast action except for my 7’6” Heavy for frogs and things like that as far as spinning I use a 6’6” med power but I have different lengths in the med/heavy fast
thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the interesting topic. By chance were you in Mexico last year. I believe we had a conversation by the pool!
Haha no that was probably Luke Clausen. Anothe bridgford team member
Mine would be mh spinning combo fast action or mod
Thanks for sharing