You can see an overview of all the daughters in this video here: Overview and Introduction to the Daughters: ua-cam.com/video/LMFIb4EhYxQ/v-deo.htmlsi=VIiOzH7RRVGcUaQT
Yes it's very impressive, and demonstrates as well that, from 1180 onwards (with the exception of the Merkit capture), Börte was never too far apart from her husband, and was in fairly good conditions throughout.
Actually it is mentioned with some of Chinggis Khan's secondary wives, if they had a child who died young. We're even told some of their names; Rashid al-Din records three, named Cha'ur, Jurchedei and Orchaqan, who died young.
While it is possible Borte had other children who died in infancy, carrying 9 children to term apparently constantinly from 1180 to the mid 1190s leaves few opportunities to do so.
Video about how the mongol empire recruited and employed troops would be interesting. During later years of the empire it would have been a necessity to employ mostly non mongol troops as there are only so many mongols and lots of land to control. So how were non mongol troops recruited and deployed and did they put special emphasis on actual mongol troops like better training, equipment, or like saving them for important engagements?
Yes that would be a very good topic for future, I'll keep in mind. I did write a video for Kings and Generals on non-Mongols in the Mongol army, but it didn't go so much into recruitment which is an interesting topic.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Man i love small channels like yours. Direct contact with the creator, deep and sophisticated content which come from heart, with only few dedicated enjoy
Not sure. My current PhD research is focused on the Golden Horde in later thirteenth century, so I may overlap some of that research with video things. Alternatively, the videos tend to be a bit of a break from that research, which I tend to prefer because it keeps things a bit fresher in my mind to do different periods and topics, rather than make 100% of my work on the Golden Horde.
Why was Targutai Kirilthuk so quite during Mongol civil war ? Wasnt he take leadership of Kıyat and Taichuds after yesugei's death. When Merkids defeated by Mongol-Kerait force,its seem Kiyat aristocracy on the side of jamukha(before defected to Temuchin) How was young Jajirat leader able to gain Kıyats ? Is this situation explained in any source ? Also when Taichuds join to coalition against Temujin,it seems Aquchu Bahadur taking the lead and Targutai barely mentioned. Was Targutai one of the ordinary leaders of the Taicuds from the very beginning and his support from Yesugei's people didnt change his position among the Taijuds or his authority existed but had diminished long before Temujin emerged as leader ?
All good questions, though data is limited. So we don't know precisely what Targutai is really doing at any point aside from his brief mentions, so it is hard to say what actual power he had. But the answer to most questions seems to be connected to Ong Khan actually. The indication is (which I am trying to research as much as I can) is that all the Kiyat/Borjigin/Taychiud and other Mongols were vassals of Ong Khan, and the Mongols who have power before Chinggis were "appointments"/confirmed in their position by Ong Khan. So the reason Jamuqa has so many followers appears to be related to the fact that, for a period of time, he is the favourite of Ong Khan. Targutai doesn't seem to have much influence with Ong Khan, so never gets his support to rule over more of Taychiud.
If, God willing, I finally put together a video on 12th century Mongolia I will highlight this system more. Most of Temujin's conflicts from 1190s-1203 seem more connected to fighting for the right to succeed (or act as power behind) Ong Khan and the Kereyid Khanate, rather than unite Mongolia itself. But since after 1206, Mongol sources don't really like suggesting any state was legitimate other than the Mongol Empire, they posthumously diminish Ong Khan's influence
Batu's lands were fully part of the Mongol Empire, and Khan Möngke even took efforts after Batu's death to bring it better under control of the central government in Qaraqorum, by ordering the established of a Secretariat (the same sort of civilian government structure staffed by agents of the Great Khan that existed in North China, Central Asia and West Asia) over Rus' and other parts of the Golden Horde. Batu had a great deal of influence though and in sources of the 1250s he's often treated as Möngke's viceroy of the west half of the empire. However, we see in diplomacy he preffered to send envoys on to Möngke, rather than undertake his own foreign policies. Even Berke does not seem to have really imagined himself (at least until very late; for example, Berke had coins minted in the name of Ariq-Böke) as anyways separate from the Mongol Empire as a whole. The first Khan who really seems to have visualized the Golden Horde as its own independent empire was Berke's nephew/Batu's grandson Möngke-Temür, who succeeded Berke around 1266/67.
Batu before 1242 mostly appears to be considered on the same level of the other princes and not special or distinct in the hierarchy. It's not until after the end of the withdrawal from Hungary and he sets up his camp on the Volga (and after the deaths of Ögedei and Chagatai over 1241-1242) that he starts to act more like Aqa, a senior prince and very wealthy. He certainly had a level of autonomy that annoyed Güyük Khan, but Batu was at no point ever an independent monarch or vassal; he was a very high-ranking prince of the Altan Urugh, but more often than not he followed the orders of the Great Khan. The resistance he displayed to Güyük was probably more connected to the deep personal dislike between the two, rather than a reflection of a shift in the power of the Mongol Empire.
We don't have any specified for Börte (it's possible of course) but it is mentioned with some of Chinggis Khan's secondary wives, if they had a child who died young. We're even told some of their names; Rashid al-Din records three, named Cha'ur, Jurchedei and Orchaqan, who died in infancy/childhood (their ages or years of birth/death are not mentioned as far as is known)
You can see an overview of all the daughters in this video here: Overview and Introduction to the Daughters: ua-cam.com/video/LMFIb4EhYxQ/v-deo.htmlsi=VIiOzH7RRVGcUaQT
The fact that all 9 of their kids reached adulthood was amazing parenting in the 12th century.
Yes it's very impressive, and demonstrates as well that, from 1180 onwards (with the exception of the Merkit capture), Börte was never too far apart from her husband, and was in fairly good conditions throughout.
Those who didn't survive to adulthood probably didn't get recorded in history
Actually it is mentioned with some of Chinggis Khan's secondary wives, if they had a child who died young. We're even told some of their names; Rashid al-Din records three, named Cha'ur, Jurchedei and Orchaqan, who died young.
While it is possible Borte had other children who died in infancy, carrying 9 children to term apparently constantinly from 1180 to the mid 1190s leaves few opportunities to do so.
Great, thank you for making this! Noone covers it like you do
Thank you, I'd like to think so!
Thank you for your hard work and research Jack Meister. Always a pleasure!
Thank you for the kind words and for watching!
thank you for the video!!!!
Thank you for watching it!
Burte was a real tough lady to have so many kids back then
Certainly, and I think a real patient one too to deal with 9 children at various stages.
Video about how the mongol empire recruited and employed troops would be interesting. During later years of the empire it would have been a necessity to employ mostly non mongol troops as there are only so many mongols and lots of land to control. So how were non mongol troops recruited and deployed and did they put special emphasis on actual mongol troops like better training, equipment, or like saving them for important engagements?
Yes that would be a very good topic for future, I'll keep in mind. I did write a video for Kings and Generals on non-Mongols in the Mongol army, but it didn't go so much into recruitment which is an interesting topic.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Man i love small channels like yours. Direct contact with the creator, deep and sophisticated content which come from heart, with only few dedicated enjoy
this series must have been a lot of work. thanks jackmeister!
It was more than I had anticipated but I am happy to have done it; I definitely learned a lot in the process and I hope other people will too
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory i did! i had no idea juchi wasnt their first child!
Jackmiester can we expect a video on Uzbek and berke khan?
Not sure. My current PhD research is focused on the Golden Horde in later thirteenth century, so I may overlap some of that research with video things. Alternatively, the videos tend to be a bit of a break from that research, which I tend to prefer because it keeps things a bit fresher in my mind to do different periods and topics, rather than make 100% of my work on the Golden Horde.
@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory did the mongols have special forces like elite soldiers which they sent on special missions?
Yessir
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Love your whole series but the daughters of Chinggis Khaan is just amazing information.
Why was Targutai Kirilthuk so quite during Mongol civil war ? Wasnt he take leadership of Kıyat and Taichuds after yesugei's death. When Merkids defeated by Mongol-Kerait force,its seem Kiyat aristocracy on the side of jamukha(before defected to Temuchin)
How was young Jajirat leader able to gain Kıyats ? Is this situation explained in any source ?
Also when Taichuds join to coalition against Temujin,it seems Aquchu Bahadur taking the lead and Targutai barely mentioned. Was Targutai one of the ordinary leaders of the Taicuds from the very beginning and his support from Yesugei's people didnt change his position among the Taijuds or his authority existed but had diminished long before Temujin emerged as leader ?
All good questions, though data is limited. So we don't know precisely what Targutai is really doing at any point aside from his brief mentions, so it is hard to say what actual power he had.
But the answer to most questions seems to be connected to Ong Khan actually. The indication is (which I am trying to research as much as I can) is that all the Kiyat/Borjigin/Taychiud and other Mongols were vassals of Ong Khan, and the Mongols who have power before Chinggis were "appointments"/confirmed in their position by Ong Khan. So the reason Jamuqa has so many followers appears to be related to the fact that, for a period of time, he is the favourite of Ong Khan. Targutai doesn't seem to have much influence with Ong Khan, so never gets his support to rule over more of Taychiud.
If, God willing, I finally put together a video on 12th century Mongolia I will highlight this system more. Most of Temujin's conflicts from 1190s-1203 seem more connected to fighting for the right to succeed (or act as power behind) Ong Khan and the Kereyid Khanate, rather than unite Mongolia itself. But since after 1206, Mongol sources don't really like suggesting any state was legitimate other than the Mongol Empire, they posthumously diminish Ong Khan's influence
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory I eagerly wait bro
Had Batu Khan his own empire? Or was he Directly part of chinggisid empire (As vassal(?) or not) before 1242?
Batu's lands were fully part of the Mongol Empire, and Khan Möngke even took efforts after Batu's death to bring it better under control of the central government in Qaraqorum, by ordering the established of a Secretariat (the same sort of civilian government structure staffed by agents of the Great Khan that existed in North China, Central Asia and West Asia) over Rus' and other parts of the Golden Horde. Batu had a great deal of influence though and in sources of the 1250s he's often treated as Möngke's viceroy of the west half of the empire. However, we see in diplomacy he preffered to send envoys on to Möngke, rather than undertake his own foreign policies. Even Berke does not seem to have really imagined himself (at least until very late; for example, Berke had coins minted in the name of Ariq-Böke) as anyways separate from the Mongol Empire as a whole. The first Khan who really seems to have visualized the Golden Horde as its own independent empire was Berke's nephew/Batu's grandson Möngke-Temür, who succeeded Berke around 1266/67.
Batu before 1242 mostly appears to be considered on the same level of the other princes and not special or distinct in the hierarchy. It's not until after the end of the withdrawal from Hungary and he sets up his camp on the Volga (and after the deaths of Ögedei and Chagatai over 1241-1242) that he starts to act more like Aqa, a senior prince and very wealthy. He certainly had a level of autonomy that annoyed Güyük Khan, but Batu was at no point ever an independent monarch or vassal; he was a very high-ranking prince of the Altan Urugh, but more often than not he followed the orders of the Great Khan. The resistance he displayed to Güyük was probably more connected to the deep personal dislike between the two, rather than a reflection of a shift in the power of the Mongol Empire.
Depictions of Batu being somehow independent are a more a result of hindsight rather than actual evidence.
@@TheJackmeisterMongolHistory yeah I read in a few sources that batu khan reigned independently or as a vassal before 1242
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Did any kids die in birth or in childhood that u didnt mention
We don't have any specified for Börte (it's possible of course) but it is mentioned with some of Chinggis Khan's secondary wives, if they had a child who died young. We're even told some of their names; Rashid al-Din records three, named Cha'ur, Jurchedei and Orchaqan, who died in infancy/childhood (their ages or years of birth/death are not mentioned as far as is known)
His sons could only stab you in the front
His daughters could ruin your entire life and then stab you in the back
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