This is so awesome. Ive been longing for the day that i could see early wrestling from this era. I wish we could see others like Gotch and maybe AD Santel.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Early wrestling has such a rich history, and it's fascinating to dive into those classic matches. Gotch and AD Santel would definitely be incredible to see!
The oldest wrestling footage of this extent that I have seen (and I have looked) until now is 12 YEARS OLDER than this. Great find. Thanks. This is in the Great Music Hall in London on Jan 30. Hack won in straight falls. This is about three months before his first match with Gotch.
Not to be a dick but just out of general curiosity... was this match Catch Rules or Quasi-Amateur rules? I feel like there were times Hackenschmidt could have got a submission (Like the hammerlock at around 20:36) but he seems to be using it like a modern amateur wrestler just to turn him? Anyway, this footage is rad.
That's what I wanted to ask. It reminded me of Greco because they only held below the waist two times. To be fair, I don't see Hack being a submission specialist like Gotch, he was more of a Greco-Roman brute.
Great question! This match was indeed under Catch Rules, which allows for a bit more flexibility in techniques. It's fascinating to see how the style has evolved over time!
@davidmastro5406 From esteemed Wrestling historian Mark Hewitt: "the match spliced in is the final of the middleweight division of the Alhambra CACC tournment that was going on in London at the same time. Joe Carroll defeated Peter Gotz. After the second fall of Hack versus Rogers, it switches back to the Alhambra tourney and the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place trophies are awarded Carroll, Gotz and Henri Irslinger. Irslinger defeated Maeda in this tournament. Hackenschmidt had been invited to take part in the heavyweight class of the Alhambra tourney but he declined."
Cool Where did you get this? Hackenschmidt was from Estonia. His father was ethnic German, not Russian and his mother was swedish. His biography is fascinating. His diet and exercise routine after he retired are really interesting. I just found out the Hack Squat is named after him.
he was from Russia then wasnt he? you confuse ethnic background with citizenry. it is like saying i am african bc 300 generations ago we all came from africa...
I'm glad you found it interesting! I sourced that information from various biographies and historical records about Hackenschmidt. His life truly is fascinating!
@@CatherineLarocque-be7pd Why does that bother you that I pointed that out? Are there Russian trolls here, too? Ireland was part of the British empire. Most ethnic Irish identified as Irish.
This is so awesome. Ive been longing for the day that i could see early wrestling from this era. I wish we could see others like Gotch and maybe AD Santel.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Early wrestling has such a rich history, and it's fascinating to dive into those classic matches. Gotch and AD Santel would definitely be incredible to see!
Another, possibly the First example of size means nothing. Rogers seems to be touch bigger but the Hack ties him up in a bloody knot. Awesome!!!!
Haha, right? Size ain't everything! That was some crazy action! Thanks for watching!
The oldest wrestling footage of this extent that I have seen (and I have looked) until now is 12 YEARS OLDER than this. Great find. Thanks. This is in the Great Music Hall in London on Jan 30. Hack won in straight falls. This is about three months before his first match with Gotch.
WHAT WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS AMAZING
He ripped it from this channel
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@@Totesnumber1fan NZ government posted it to public domain!
AWESOME
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George hakensmidt wrestling I am so lucky you found this
I'm glad you found it! George Hackenschmidt's wrestling history is truly fascinating!
so cool!!
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There I also footage of him vs Tom Jenkins but I could not find it
Has that made it to the public domain?
@Keranu no i found a picture of its frame tape
@Totesnumber1fan Cool I'll have to look for that. Let's hope to God that film is sitting safely somewhere so we have a chance to watch it someday.
Not to be a dick but just out of general curiosity... was this match Catch Rules or Quasi-Amateur rules? I feel like there were times Hackenschmidt could have got a submission (Like the hammerlock at around 20:36) but he seems to be using it like a modern amateur wrestler just to turn him? Anyway, this footage is rad.
That's what I wanted to ask. It reminded me of Greco because they only held below the waist two times. To be fair, I don't see Hack being a submission specialist like Gotch, he was more of a Greco-Roman brute.
Great question! This match was indeed under Catch Rules, which allows for a bit more flexibility in techniques. It's fascinating to see how the style has evolved over time!
Who are the two other wrestlers, from that match between the first and second Hackenschmidt-Rodgers bouts?
@davidmastro5406 From esteemed Wrestling historian Mark Hewitt: "the match spliced in is the final of the middleweight division of the Alhambra CACC tournment that was going on in London at the same time. Joe Carroll defeated Peter Gotz. After the second fall of Hack versus Rogers, it switches back to the Alhambra tourney and the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place trophies are awarded Carroll, Gotz and Henri Irslinger. Irslinger defeated Maeda in this tournament. Hackenschmidt had been invited to take part in the heavyweight class of the Alhambra tourney but he declined."
@scientificwrestling thanks so much! And thanks to Mark Hewitt!
So this is the Hackenschmidt-Rogers match that took place at the Oxford Music Hall?
Cool Where did you get this?
Hackenschmidt was from Estonia. His father was ethnic German, not Russian and his mother was swedish.
His biography is fascinating. His diet and exercise routine after he retired are really interesting. I just found out the Hack Squat is named after him.
he was from Russia then wasnt he? you confuse ethnic background with citizenry. it is like saying i am african bc 300 generations ago we all came from africa...
During this time, Estonia was part of the Russian Empire. That is why George Hackenschmidt was nicknamed “The Russian Lion”.
I'm glad you found it interesting! I sourced that information from various biographies and historical records about Hackenschmidt. His life truly is fascinating!
You're absolutely right! The historical context really adds depth to understanding Hackenschmidt's legacy. Thanks for pointing that out!
@@CatherineLarocque-be7pd Why does that bother you that I pointed that out?
Are there Russian trolls here, too?
Ireland was part of the British empire. Most ethnic Irish identified as Irish.
woah
Thanks😍
Rogers seems almost helpless against him.
It definitely feels that way sometimes! The dynamics between them can really highlight those moments of struggle.
Jake does this pass as a legitimate shoot in your expertise or does it look like a work to you?
@@Keranu shoot, imo
@scientificwrestling Awesome. I'd love to hear you do a commentary over all the matches in this film, I think all of us would be excited for that.
@Keranu thx! I will try to make time
@@scientificwrestling You the man! Without you and Mike Chapman, catch history may be nothing but a faded memory.
@Keranu ty sir
Oh AI, is there nothing you cant do?
It really is amazing how AI is evolving! There are so many possibilities ahead.
I would watch more of your videos if the thumbnails weren't all Ai
Totally hear you! I’ll try to mix it up and make the thumbnails more fun. Thanks for the heads up!
I would love to see any Tom Jenkins footage!
Thanks😍