I think the “mining companies” were blamed a lot because it’s easier for modern sensibilities to picture corporations involved in such neocolonial shenanigans rather than western countries, but ya nah lol the western countries, especially back, then right after decolonization, were openly fucking around and causing chaos in all their former colonies 😂
@@No.00000 yeah those pesky capitalists like . . . Taung Gold International Limited, Zijin Mining, Minmetals, Jiquan Iron and Steel (JISCO), East Asia Metals, and Sino Steel . . .
It is written historical record that the CIA and Belgian government interceded to cause Lumumbas death. The Belgian and French governments had serious interests in Union Miniere. Obviously there was more local and Tribal politics at play but to say that big business hadn't a part in his death or the conflict is disingenuous.
All these distortions and I'm just sitting here seething at the fact they've got multiple Katanga militiamen wearing M81 Woodland camouflage 20 years before it was even invented...
This has taught me more and more to Never Trust most T.V. Entertainment history, and how Netflix are liars. We live in an age where people only look at movies or so for history, as people don’t want to go through the effort to actually learn anything. Your telling reminds me also history is not black and white, and there isn’t really “Villains or Heroes”. Just people making choices and decisions.
You're absolutely right. Directors seem to believe that people won't take their videos as historical fact because they themselves know their videos aren't historical fact. My hypothesis is that directors know from painful experience how difficult it is to produce historically accurate entertainment on a time, money and personel budget. Therefore, they find it hard to imagine that anyone would expect true historical accuracy from them. An author can just look it up and write it into his story that 1700s William had a coat with two dozen buttons and he considered it fantastic because his father Bill, owing to pre-industrialization, had a coat with only a few cloth loops. All that and most people automatically treat written material as fiction until proven otherwise. Meanwhile, the director in question had to personally sew 30 cloth lumps onto 3 jackets when his clothing designer got sick just so the close up shots could have some historical-ish jackets--in his 30 Years War epic seen my 20 high-school students. Knowing all that, directors might think, "How can people think our movie got it all right?
@@iivin4233 That is some next level cope. Producers, Writers and Directors intentionally misrepresent both history and current reality to suit their bosses demands e.g. ESG
Didn't affect india or because it happened in 1960 and people forgot I mean there are other cases of un peacekeeper in war crimes but I guess since it happens in a poorly connected conflict zone in Africa it doesn't get talked about
We weren't particularly taught anything regarding the contributions of our army to any Peacekeeping force missions outside of Sri Lanka either. The Indian education system especially history is awful. But that's not why you study Indian history is it Comrade?
Japan still doesn't teach its students the accurate history of their involvement and actions during WWII. Communist China still sells the lie that Mao wasn't an evil fuck. Russia tries to not draw attention to the atrocities of Lenin and Stalin by lies of omission within their education system. The Pakistani education system still paints India as an unreasonable aggressor in their past conflicts. Governments will lie to their students for as long as possible, without admitting any wrongdoing.
I would like that very much, it's a part of history that's sparked my interest in the past few years and wherein there is some documentaries on it I'd like to see something done with his level of accuracy instead of the usual biases people tend to distort things with.
I distinctly recall watching Siege of Jadotville back when it came out and my jaw hitting the floor at the sight of the F-4 Phantom, and all that it implied. Turns out I didn't know the half of it. Thanks for putting so much time and effort into setting the record straight.
Which scene had the F-4? The only jet I saw was a Fouga CM.170 Magister, which historically was in service as a trainer plane modified for light ground attack in the Congo.
@@Cowboycomando54 It's shown rolling in behind Hammarskjöld's plane and is implied to have shot it down, as such the film is tacitly accusing the United States of assassinating him.
Yeah I saw that and was like "lol". If communism wasn't involved in the narrative, we didn't care. And the Soviets via the Cubans wouldn't for a few more years. If anyone smoked Dag, it was France or the Belgians, and the plane almost certainly crashed without interference. In general, most things in history aren't conspiracies, just fuck ups and chaos.
I think my biggest gripe is that by saying ''it was all western resource companies'', while not entirely wrong (Katanga had a lot of support from UMHK) is terrible because it treats Katangese as somehow unable of possessing their own agency, with all of them being in fact done by the ''western mining magnates''.
It's an old technique used to paint things black&white. If the Katangese are shown to have agency, they also automatically share a part of the responsability for what happened.
When people treat marginalized groups as incapable of fending for themselves, and that they’re helpless in the grip of “the white man”, it’s actually deeply infantilizing and demeaning. It’s almost as if it’s a fantasy made up by white people to make them feel like the saviours of helpless minorities…
I'd also argue that it is something even more insidious. The same people that do not think twice about that would immediately condemn us for writing off the Simbas or Lumumba as simply "They were all Maoist/Soviet Puppets." In spite of the fact that objectively they either were or became that. But of course, they were also more than that. Lumumba was no saint and probably did not deserve what happened to him (even if we want to argue he deserved death), but he was remarkably pro-Soviet and inflexible to the point of demanding a centralized Congo over the corpses and rights of others. Tshombe was indeed a corrupt, particularist plutocrat and tool of the Western mining companies and plutocrats, but he also was a decently capable administrator who was concerned about his region and its autonomous rights (if only for his own power), and certainly less merciless than most Reds or Mobutu. Part of what makes conflicts like this darkly fascinating is because the more you look the more you learn, and a lot of times there were not clear lines between "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys."
@@vandeheyeric I’m sorry, the moral complexity of this situation is far too much for my millennial brain, please hand me a coloring book so I can color the good guys blue and the bad guys red
@@vandeheyeric I just have to add that if you're wondering what would have happened if Lumumba took power, I will just point to Ethiopia and the rise of Mengistu and his Dergue to have an idea---Stalin in Africa.
The insane part to me is how overt the historical revisionism is, because the picture you paint with just your NOTES on potential corrections ends up composing a much more politically complex and tactically tense situation, with uncertainty about reinforcements ever being able to clear the bridge and even demonstrating the want to keep clearing it under fire, the almost inexplicable twist of the mortars just not getting packed properly leading to the troops being unexpectedly under gunned, a much more urban setting making the idea of keeping the area secured even more improbable. Even the small notes of locals renting rooms to soldiers adds so much more to the very real and human events that occurred, and easily form a story worth telling.
Great analysis! The intro part was ridiculous, when first time watching it I knew there was something's wrong because I watched the movie "Lumumba" (2000) before and the captures of him is much different. There's no ambush, he was captured before manage to escape to Congo-Brazaville with a boat then executed by firing squad. It was a great movie and worth to watch, describing the early life of Lumumba, independence, the crisis, until his death. Siege of Jadotville was absolutely ruined by classic hollywood dramatization.
Why is it that there's countless of you dunderheads all through these comments blaming the historical inaccuracies on "Hollywood"? Absolutely nobody or nothing from Hollywood had anything to do with the making of this film, it was an Irish/South African production. Here you are complaining about inaccuracies but you'll pump your share of them into things because of your obvious prejudices.
You're griping about inaccuracies but you'll blame them on Hollywood when no one nor anything from Hollywood had anything to do with the film, it was an Irish/South African production. So I guess we can start with that inaccuracy.
A conflict between the Congolese government, the Congolese military, the Congolese rebels in favor of the government, the Congolese states against the government, the UN trying to keep the pre-crisis status quo, Belgians trying to evacuate the white population, and gendarmes holding on to whatever they can, with South Africans, Frenchmen and Germans fighting Irishmen, Swedes and Indians. Can't make up something less crazy than that!
33:15 Helicopters don't slide menacingly towards people after crashing trying to mulch them with their rotor blades, which is even more odd given the heli never crashed in real life.
Aren't helicopter blades also mostly hollow, meaning that they'd likely just disintegrate as they repeatedly slam into the ground? (Or at least snap apart?)
@@raymondyee2008 Yea, I can go along with there being a problem with major military/political plot points in movies like this, but when people nitpick about thing's like Fury having the wrong variant of Tiger tank, it's like get a life man, it's not like there's every different variant of Tiger's sitting around the countryside in every town for movie production teams to pick from and they didn't know what they were doing, it's quite obvious why they do things like that.
The wild thing about the movie suggesting the plane was downed by a Phantom is that the USAF didn't have any until after the event and the Navy unit that had them were undergoing carrier qualifications at the time.
Very glad to see this. They should've made a film about the Battle of Elisabethville instead. Sikh UN soldiers fighting mercenaries, Gendarmes, and angry Elisabethville residents. Street fighting, airfields on fire. Would've been sick.
Damn, I have most of the songs in your videos in a spotify list because I loved your format, and now you post a very well edited historical critique of a war movie. I'm here for it, loved this new direction. Also, those darn Mining Companies!
Regardless of how accurate the movie was, the Irish peacekeepers at Jadotville were still extremely impressive. They could have made the movie 100% accurate and it would have been just as action packed.
At 4:05 when you say that Irish troops had experience with policing duties and specifically on the border with Northern Ireland against the IRA are you referencing the Troubles or the Border Campaign? if the Troubles should be obvious why that is wrong, if the IRA border Campaign then the Irish Defence Forces had basically zero experience and the sentiment you are describing was already outdated by the time the 4th contingent was deployed and in the aftermath of the Niemba Ambush. Also the sentiment at 4:32 if they would see action was still an unknown thing despite how hostile the area of operations the Irish Forces where operating in as no one can definitely say "we will see action" as many Irish soldiers who served in the ONUC over the years even on mulitple trips back many didn't see action especially in the later half of the UN mission. At 26:21 you said that a famous failure of the UN in Congo involved Irish Troops but you provide no evidence or reference to this failure or what had happened. From what I have read at 35:00 the Katangese Forces had a force fo 500 men with 13 mercs leading them but over the course of the battle the civilian population joined the Katangese Forces over the days of the Siege which swelled the attacking force of Katangese to about 3000 but the civilian population where poorly armed and untrained. Though the number of dead and wounded is still being debated but the overall concensus is that 300 where killed at jadotville with a number a mercs killed including 1 frenchman I believe. I would like to add at 37:25 A coy with Cmdt. Quinlan conducted a raid a few weeks before leaving for home on a Katangese supply depot around Elizabethville and after a few attempts they managed to cross a swamp and use a 84mm AT Gun to destroy a decent amoint of Katangese supplies including fuel for vehicles. At 38:20 A Coy did get some good press but the men of 35th Bn A Coy where ostracised by the commanding ranks especially the head of the Defence Forces Chief of Staff Sean MacEoin who was also the Commanding Officer of ONUC forces at the time of Jadotville and before being appointed ONUC CO he was Chief of Staff for 11 Months and afterwards on his return to the Ireland was reappointed Chief of Staff in 1962 and would hold the position for almost 9 years. He and many others denied what the men of A Coy did and labelled them cowards and the term Jadotville Jacks became a slur against the men of A Coy even amoung their own Enlisted Ranking comrades. Some committed suicide because of the discrimination some years after the battle and others where denied promotions for a long time after too. Quote from Wiki "The veterans of Jadotville were dissatisfied that the Defence Forces refused to acknowledge the battle and that there was an implied black mark on the reputation of their commander. A number of Irish soldiers, who had been involved in the siege, reputedly took their own lives in later years.[22][34] Quinlan, who died in 1997, had his public reputation restored nine years after his death.[35] John Gorman, a retired soldier who had been a 17-year-old private during the fight, campaigned to have the Battle of Jadotville recognised. In 2004 Irish Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea agreed to hold a full review of the battle. A Defence Forces inquiry cleared Quinlan and "A" Company of allegations of soldierly misconduct. A commemorative stone recognising the soldiers of "A" Company was erected on the grounds of Custume Barracks in Athlone in 2005." I believe at 38:20 you do the men of A Coy a disservice by not referencing the above in this segment and instead make it out that they weren't ostracised and at 39:00 you are wrong here the second line of the piece of info was correct and did start from the top and amoung the enlisted ranks as I said before above Sean MAcEoin OC ONUC 1961 was head of the Defence Forces 11 months prior to the Congo appointment and after almost 9 years served as head of the Defence Forces. The culture in Ireland at the time was far more respectful of the Irish Defence Forces and your reference to Irish culture only rings true for today but not in 1960s Ireland. I agree with you at the end of the video I do hope that a better representation of Irish troops on the Congo during the 60s comes about be that a TV series or a movie. Sorry for the long essay but I wanted to point a few things out and hear your reasoning thanks for the video it was a good video keep it up :)
You never addressed that there is implication that Union Minière (THE MINING COMPANIES!) had something to do with with Dag Hammarskjold's death. They also transferred around 30 million USD to Tschombe's personal account. For a solid material it seems like it was happily overlooked.
@@HankScorpio93 Thank you, this time period and region is in a bit of a blankspot as far as my knowledge on history and politics goes. So I appreciate your aid in remedying my ignorance.
But why? Hammerskjold was going to negotiate a ceasefire. Why would Union Miniere want to stop that and keep operating in a warzone instead? It'd be like the French blowing up the German train as they headed to Versailles to surrender.
@@neohyberboreantechnosteppe3185 Who knows. Perhaps they viewed that by turmoil Tschombe would still hold reins of power. The implication was made by a son of UN worker in Congo.
I’ve done some of my own research on the siege and according to the Independent Review Group (one of your sources) the men didn’t forget their 81mm mortars and rations, they were told not to bring them. Instead, they would be brought in a re-supply run that never came. It was said by a number of the men that this was a grave grave mistake as it reduced the range at which they could make fires on the enemy.
Quite an interesting analysis. Since the Congo crisis has been mostly ignored by the film making industry so far, it seems even more tragic, that the opportunity to portray the events correctly have been wasted. Good work, Major! I will keep an eye on your content.
It gave me a bit of a chuckle when in the intro the director asserts that if there was any dissent, the people who dont agree with the film have been very quiet, as if most of us knew anything about the battle beforehand.
I don't know about any of the other inaccuracies, but when I first watched the movie, I thought it was strange that the "sniper" specifically chose the Bren, an open bolt machine gun, to make a single precise long range shot. And a year or two later Forgotten Weapons made a video where the talks, among other inaccuracies, about that specific one and I gave myself a good pat on the back for that one.
it bothers me how modern everyone in this movie looks. shiny bright polyester suits, rolled up sleeves everywhere, shorter sleeves on suits, just in general everyone looks like they're from the 80s or 90s at the earliest. i have to constantly remind myself "this is set in the 60s" because it seems ridiculous.
I got all the way to the guy firing standing up without realising it was MajorSamm! I have loved your music videos for years so happy you're deciding to more Historical videos but talking!!!
I hope you do more of these breakdowns of historical movies. Historical breakdowns in general actually. I subscribed years ago for the music videos, but I was really pulled in by your genuine care for history and providing of it.
33:21 Just wanted to add, yes they never show the pilots again or properly tell us whether they survived in the film or not, Quinlan in the film does say "Get those pilots out of there", which does suggest they survived and at the very least, that they didn't forget about the pilots.
_"This film has an unhealthy obsession with the mining companies."_ Because the writers of this film are encouraged to pursue and anti-colonialist attitude that they think is exemplified by capitalism.
@@riccardopattarinWhich is funny considering both the history of imperialism by the USSR and the fact that capitalism was in no way late stage in the 1960's.
@@wojtekthebear4958 You are correct on the first part, Soviets talking about imperialism is mad funny, but capitalism was late stage in the 60s, just as much as it is late stage now. Love it or hate it, the capitalists won the cold war, they don't have much need to evolve and change now.
@@milannedic4622 Except capitalism has changed by leaps and bounds since the 60's. There hadn't even been the neoclassical synthesis in economics, decolonization was still ongoing, international shipping was in its infancy, and most developed countries, including the US, were still primarily manufacturing focused, unlike our service focused economies today.
@@wojtekthebear4958 Thanks for responding! Yeah, my response was idiotic lmao. I tried saying that capitalism has not shifted its position (battling anti capitalism) since the last century, but I ended up saying that capitalism has not changed, which is, as you ponted out, simply untrue. Capitalist modes of production have changed, yet the social position of the people who have benefitted most from capitalism has not, and that is what makes it late stage.
Having worked for the UN in peacekeeping, I can say that the one thing the movie gets right, is that the UN senior leadership are untrustworthy, self-serving and vacuous. Many are career civil servants from small countries. If they are from developed countries, they have or realize they will fail to achieve the choice positions in their home country. The UN is their best 'second chance'. If from developing countries, working at the UN is the best paid job with the best pension they will ever get. However, this means they will never say anything that will risk their losing their job. Because they are from small countries, the UN, and for Europeans the EU, represent the best chance these people have for having a job with some real responsibility/authority - its why Irish politicians cream their gusset about the EU and UN. No one knew who Jean-Claude Juncker was until he became President of the EU Commission.
Filmmakers just have to know by this point they'll get called out good. Being a Veteran myself, I'd consider it an insult to misrepresent what I took part in, even worse the families of those who were lost!
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
Let me just say thanks for making this to set the record straight, I'm Irish and have a facination with our UN overseas history (Mostly because my dad and grandad were UN Peacekeepers, both served in Lebanon and my dad was in Chad and East Timor), though I could never find exact details about this battle apart from Wikipedia (An iffy source at best) and this film (Which clearly has some holes and flaws). I really appreciate your work, I've been a viewer since the Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner MV with the Italian documentary following the Mercs in the Congo. The latter of which I've watched and I have to say my favorite part is with the Rhodesian pilots Tom O' Keefe and Somerset Wilson providing air support for ground forces, on their forms before they took off they signed them with Destination: Hell. Reason for flight: Personal business.
I think, instead of having historical movies say "Based on a true story" or "Inspired by true events" (gotta love the wordsmith who came up with that) they should just say, "Historical Documentary" or "Fictionalized retelling". Very straight forward, black and white, educational vs entertainment. This movie would seem to fall into the latter category of entertainment.
Yes, it's been delayed over and over again as I've ended up buying more foreign books than I can handle. I've also been in talks with some of the few veterans of the campaign but they're busy folk so the interview process has been slow.
Having had zero knowledge whatsoever of the source material going into the film, I can't agree more with your statement that ignorant viewers like myself would be better off not having seen the film. I completely agree that a film covering the events accurately especially what was going on elsewhere, would be far more interesting. I think a great benchmark for tone for a war film is that a good war film's action scenes should make you feel terrified, and it should express the lack of control and the randomness of brutal and extreme violence. The filmmakers seemed to want to make an "Irish Zulu," except the film focused enough on Jadotville so as to leave out hugely important information, but failed to spend time adequately conveying the political situation. It is ironic that a film which clearly means to follow in the footsteps of Zulu ends up disrespecting the Katangese side in a way I can only describe as racist, where African soldiers are depicted as only capable of human waves, while Zulu expressed the bravery and ingenuity of the Zulu warriors.
I mean if it is racist it's not very well thought out, the Katangese forces were being led by the European mercenaries. So the human wave tactics are the European mercenaries' tactics.
Hey man. I got into your content about two years ago and remember when you posted about making different content styles. I think i kinda shit talked you a bit, and I feel bad for that. On top of that, this is really engaging and interesting content. Glad you're still making vids and hopefully this is more of what you wanted to do.
24:00 RE: sniping with a Bren.. I liked The Chieftain’s rebuttal that sometimes soldiers believe & act on these things despite being told they shouldn’t.
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
I first read about the siege in the 1980s book The New Mercenaries. That book says, '"Three days later the Irish garrison at Jadotville, 184 strong, surrendered to the Katanganese led by the French mercenary Michel de Clary. Admittedly they were surrounded and their water supply has been cut off. But their position although unpleasant was not desperate; if their morale had been high, they could have fought their way out and inflicted a crushing defeat on the Katangese and the mercenaries. The least that can be said is that this surrender was hardly in the spirit of Irish history."
It's weirdly uncharitable. It speaks about the spirit of Irish history, but Ireland isn't a country known for professional military significance at all either. The Irish military is notoriously underfunded and neglected. Given the restraints of the UN mission, their equipment etc, they performed well enough. But most importantly, heroic last stands are only fought against a true enemy to your nation, which tbe Congo crisis was not.
The mercenaries compared the UN forces in Katanga. "The Swedes, the other European contingent in Katanga, won the reputation of never daring to set foot outside their armoured cars. Perhaps the morale of both Swedes and Irish was low because they had volunteered to come to the Congo and had expected to find a friendly population and be involved only in police operations; even so it was a dismal performance. The Indians at least performed respectable if cautiously; and the Ethiopians, though accused of atrocities, could never be accused of cowardice."
@@edwardd9702 Ah yes, because the only thing worse than atrocities is not setting foot outside your armored cars during peacekeeping operations. You know, that thing where they try to keep the peace, not fight a war.
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
I find it so aggravating that the movie’s narrative will end up being the most widely believed one from sheer exposure level. And who knows what unintentional consequences that will have. 5:20 - Totally fictional, but great acting. And the actor isn’t responsible for a hilariously inaccurate script.
got to be honest; distorting history in movies that pretend to be centered around actual historical events should be illegal. 90% of people are legitimately unable to distinguish fact from fiction if they see something in a movie. i've heard people say that salieri killed mozart. i've heard people say that the enigma code was cracked because """""every german message ended in HH""""". i've heard people say they thought band of brothers was a documentary filmed on location in ww2. the stupidity of people should be safeguarded, not exploited.
That is why they say based on a true story, not recreation of a true story. Artistic liberty, despite some times being used for revisionism and misinformation, is still protected by freedom of expression. To ban films like this would be a clear violation of the first amendment.
@@Cowboycomando54 people are obviously too stupid to understand "based on a true story". also "the constitution" gets violated CONSTANTLY, it has no value whatsoever apart from the phariseeism you just tried to pull. its writers might as well be from another dimension so alien is the current united states to their common sensibilities.
Thank you, MajorSamm, this was an eye opener. Took everything in with interest, as the movie did missed a few serious facts. ( ex - Paratrooper friend of mine's Dad was with ACoy at the time... Wish I was at the location of the movie shoot, just to liberate all those lovely old Land Rovers 😢😢
If this video goes down, we know who's really to blame:
*_The mining companies_*
Those darn pesky capitalist
I think the “mining companies” were blamed a lot because it’s easier for modern sensibilities to picture corporations involved in such neocolonial shenanigans rather than western countries, but ya nah lol the western countries, especially back, then right after decolonization, were openly fucking around and causing chaos in all their former colonies 😂
Gyatt dayum wypipo and their minecrafts in OUR Wakandan Katanga 😡
@@No.00000 yeah those pesky capitalists like . . . Taung Gold International Limited, Zijin Mining, Minmetals, Jiquan Iron and Steel (JISCO), East Asia Metals, and Sino Steel . . .
It is written historical record that the CIA and Belgian government interceded to cause Lumumbas death. The Belgian and French governments had serious interests in Union Miniere. Obviously there was more local and Tribal politics at play but to say that big business hadn't a part in his death or the conflict is disingenuous.
All these distortions and I'm just sitting here seething at the fact they've got multiple Katanga militiamen wearing M81 Woodland camouflage 20 years before it was even invented...
I did originally write that down in my notes but decided I was already being pedantic enough. There's some DPM and 80s webbing kits in there too.
What's the difference between ERDL Lowland and M81 Woodland? They look practically the same. Maybe it's that?
@@brrrrrtenjoyer Lowland uses a smaller pattern and has a green tint. It also didn't exist in 1961.
@@360Nomad Oh alright, I see. Thanks for the reply.
Spot on 😏😏🇿🇦
Disappears for a year and comes back with a forty-minute-long video.
What a legend.
Correcting historical errors in a conflict movie? My kind of entertainment!
He gonna correct Russian MOD lies when?
@@RevolutionaryResistance nafobot opinion detected
@@RevolutionaryResistance TF you on about?
@@RevolutionaryResistance nafoboomer
@@RevolutionaryResistance When NAFO was a good guy same as these Moskals?.
He lives!
UA-cam Rule #1 - Creators are assumed dead if no content has been posted within the past 27 minutes.
I guess he's dead again, RIP the best editor I've seen on youtube.
He's alive!!! 😱😱
Well RIP he has not uploaded in 1 month
Unless it’s oversimplified
oh sammy of course you'd return. love these kinds of videos btw, glad to see ur still interested in doing them despite the bad stats they get
Don’t ever leave me again.
Im at yo mamas house
@@300thNPC I'm in yo walls.
This has taught me more and more to Never Trust most T.V. Entertainment history, and how Netflix are liars. We live in an age where people only look at movies or so for history, as people don’t want to go through the effort to actually learn anything. Your telling reminds me also history is not black and white, and there isn’t really “Villains or Heroes”. Just people making choices and decisions.
You're absolutely right. Directors seem to believe that people won't take their videos as historical fact because they themselves know their videos aren't historical fact.
My hypothesis is that directors know from painful experience how difficult it is to produce historically accurate entertainment on a time, money and personel budget. Therefore, they find it hard to imagine that anyone would expect true historical accuracy from them.
An author can just look it up and write it into his story that 1700s William had a coat with two dozen buttons and he considered it fantastic because his father Bill, owing to pre-industrialization, had a coat with only a few cloth loops.
All that and most people automatically treat written material as fiction until proven otherwise. Meanwhile, the director in question had to personally sew 30 cloth lumps onto 3 jackets when his clothing designer got sick just so the close up shots could have some historical-ish jackets--in his 30 Years War epic seen my 20 high-school students.
Knowing all that, directors might think, "How can people think our movie got it all right?
That's why all your knowledge about history must come from books and credited internet sources
More on comic grey area characters.
The truth was killed off a long time ago
@@iivin4233 That is some next level cope. Producers, Writers and Directors intentionally misrepresent both history and current reality to suit their bosses demands e.g. ESG
Indian UN Peacekeepers massacring Congolese civilians is something we were never taught here in India.
Didn't affect india or because it happened in 1960 and people forgot I mean there are other cases of un peacekeeper in war crimes but I guess since it happens in a poorly connected conflict zone in Africa it doesn't get talked about
Mr Bob (French)
Africa Addio (Italian)
Give them a watch!
It’s cool bro it’s the Congo
We weren't particularly taught anything regarding the contributions of our army to any Peacekeeping force missions outside of Sri Lanka either. The Indian education system especially history is awful. But that's not why you study Indian history is it Comrade?
Japan still doesn't teach its students the accurate history of their involvement and actions during WWII. Communist China still sells the lie that Mao wasn't an evil fuck. Russia tries to not draw attention to the atrocities of Lenin and Stalin by lies of omission within their education system. The Pakistani education system still paints India as an unreasonable aggressor in their past conflicts. Governments will lie to their students for as long as possible, without admitting any wrongdoing.
I’m convinced Major Sam needs to make a multi episode documentary series on the Congo crisis.
What "Congo crisis"?
jonbest 😎😎😎???
I would like that very much, it's a part of history that's sparked my interest in the past few years and wherein there is some documentaries on it I'd like to see something done with his level of accuracy instead of the usual biases people tend to distort things with.
Especially the Hammarskjöld conspiracy, i'm really interested in his take on this
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What's that?
I distinctly recall watching Siege of Jadotville back when it came out and my jaw hitting the floor at the sight of the F-4 Phantom, and all that it implied. Turns out I didn't know the half of it. Thanks for putting so much time and effort into setting the record straight.
Which scene had the F-4? The only jet I saw was a Fouga CM.170 Magister, which historically was in service as a trainer plane modified for light ground attack in the Congo.
@@Cowboycomando54 It's shown rolling in behind Hammarskjöld's plane and is implied to have shot it down, as such the film is tacitly accusing the United States of assassinating him.
Yeah, the f4 was the one I caught, and the omitted armored cars I learned about later.
Yeah I saw that and was like "lol". If communism wasn't involved in the narrative, we didn't care. And the Soviets via the Cubans wouldn't for a few more years.
If anyone smoked Dag, it was France or the Belgians, and the plane almost certainly crashed without interference.
In general, most things in history aren't conspiracies, just fuck ups and chaos.
@@Mr66D Never let the Irish disappoint (the film was produced, written and directed by Irishmen)
MajorSamm return is going to feed families
I think my biggest gripe is that by saying ''it was all western resource companies'', while not entirely wrong (Katanga had a lot of support from UMHK) is terrible because it treats Katangese as somehow unable of possessing their own agency, with all of them being in fact done by the ''western mining magnates''.
It's an old technique used to paint things black&white. If the Katangese are shown to have agency, they also automatically share a part of the responsability for what happened.
When people treat marginalized groups as incapable of fending for themselves, and that they’re helpless in the grip of “the white man”, it’s actually deeply infantilizing and demeaning.
It’s almost as if it’s a fantasy made up by white people to make them feel like the saviours of helpless minorities…
I'd also argue that it is something even more insidious. The same people that do not think twice about that would immediately condemn us for writing off the Simbas or Lumumba as simply "They were all Maoist/Soviet Puppets." In spite of the fact that objectively they either were or became that. But of course, they were also more than that.
Lumumba was no saint and probably did not deserve what happened to him (even if we want to argue he deserved death), but he was remarkably pro-Soviet and inflexible to the point of demanding a centralized Congo over the corpses and rights of others. Tshombe was indeed a corrupt, particularist plutocrat and tool of the Western mining companies and plutocrats, but he also was a decently capable administrator who was concerned about his region and its autonomous rights (if only for his own power), and certainly less merciless than most Reds or Mobutu. Part of what makes conflicts like this darkly fascinating is because the more you look the more you learn, and a lot of times there were not clear lines between "Good Guys" and "Bad Guys."
@@vandeheyeric I’m sorry, the moral complexity of this situation is far too much for my millennial brain, please hand me a coloring book so I can color the good guys blue and the bad guys red
@@vandeheyeric I just have to add that if you're wondering what would have happened if Lumumba took power, I will just point to Ethiopia and the rise of Mengistu and his Dergue to have an idea---Stalin in Africa.
The legend returns! This for me is the first time hearing your voice I’m excited to learn history!
The insane part to me is how overt the historical revisionism is, because the picture you paint with just your NOTES on potential corrections ends up composing a much more politically complex and tactically tense situation, with uncertainty about reinforcements ever being able to clear the bridge and even demonstrating the want to keep clearing it under fire, the almost inexplicable twist of the mortars just not getting packed properly leading to the troops being unexpectedly under gunned, a much more urban setting making the idea of keeping the area secured even more improbable. Even the small notes of locals renting rooms to soldiers adds so much more to the very real and human events that occurred, and easily form a story worth telling.
‘Blood On The Snow’ & ‘A Black Cauldron’ are my favorite conflict compilations of yours. Glad to see your back with some in-depth educational topics
The big Man's back with a belter of a video. I Couldn't be happier!
Great analysis! The intro part was ridiculous, when first time watching it I knew there was something's wrong because I watched the movie "Lumumba" (2000) before and the captures of him is much different. There's no ambush, he was captured before manage to escape to Congo-Brazaville with a boat then executed by firing squad. It was a great movie and worth to watch, describing the early life of Lumumba, independence, the crisis, until his death. Siege of Jadotville was absolutely ruined by classic hollywood dramatization.
You may be interested in a documentary about the Congo/Katanga issue made at that time:
ua-cam.com/video/rvgBvwfW5Dw/v-deo.html
Why is it that there's countless of you dunderheads all through these comments blaming the historical inaccuracies on "Hollywood"? Absolutely nobody or nothing from Hollywood had anything to do with the making of this film, it was an Irish/South African production.
Here you are complaining about inaccuracies but you'll pump your share of them into things because of your obvious prejudices.
You're griping about inaccuracies but you'll blame them on Hollywood when no one nor anything from Hollywood had anything to do with the film, it was an Irish/South African production.
So I guess we can start with that inaccuracy.
it's a metaphor dumbahh
Always a charm when you upload.
Keep up the good work; I'm always excited to see new pieces from you.
Thank you Jerry Seinfeld.
This was quite a U-turn from what I'd expect from a video of yours, but this was a wonderful experience.
The Congo crisis is fascinating, but a bewildering clusterfuck as well
A conflict between the Congolese government, the Congolese military, the Congolese rebels in favor of the government, the Congolese states against the government, the UN trying to keep the pre-crisis status quo, Belgians trying to evacuate the white population, and gendarmes holding on to whatever they can, with South Africans, Frenchmen and Germans fighting Irishmen, Swedes and Indians.
Can't make up something less crazy than that!
33:15 Helicopters don't slide menacingly towards people after crashing trying to mulch them with their rotor blades, which is even more odd given the heli never crashed in real life.
And the actual helicopter was a H-19 but Netflix couldn’t get one hence the UH-1 as a stand in.
Aren't helicopter blades also mostly hollow, meaning that they'd likely just disintegrate as they repeatedly slam into the ground? (Or at least snap apart?)
@@I_Stole_A_BTR-80 Correct.
@@raymondyee2008
Yea, I can go along with there being a problem with major military/political plot points in movies like this, but when people nitpick about thing's like Fury having the wrong variant of Tiger tank, it's like get a life man, it's not like there's every different variant of Tiger's sitting around the countryside in every town for movie production teams to pick from and they didn't know what they were doing, it's quite obvious why they do things like that.
It’s just an over-used Hollywood cliche at this point
An F4 Phantom did NOT shoot down that bloody plane.
Where did this conspiracy theory even come from?
@@jakesoros2376The UN’s own salt
@@DogeickBateman Wild
didn't the plane crash due to pilot error with the pilot mistakenly doing controlled descent into a mountain
Am I schizo for thinking the presence of the Phantom was the creators subtly implying that America killed Hammarskojd?
The wild thing about the movie suggesting the plane was downed by a Phantom is that the USAF didn't have any until after the event and the Navy unit that had them were undergoing carrier qualifications at the time.
Very glad to see this. They should've made a film about the Battle of Elisabethville instead. Sikh UN soldiers fighting mercenaries, Gendarmes, and angry Elisabethville residents. Street fighting, airfields on fire. Would've been sick.
Cool to see you uploading again!
History buffs, Majorsamm edition. Welcome back.
Damn, I have most of the songs in your videos in a spotify list because I loved your format, and now you post a very well edited historical critique of a war movie. I'm here for it, loved this new direction.
Also, those darn Mining Companies!
Regardless of how accurate the movie was, the Irish peacekeepers at Jadotville were still extremely impressive.
They could have made the movie 100% accurate and it would have been just as action packed.
Majorsamm my beloved creator has returned, love the historical videos fr, never stop what you enjoy man
nice to see you back man
At 4:05 when you say that Irish troops had experience with policing duties and specifically on the border with Northern Ireland against the IRA are you referencing the Troubles or the Border Campaign? if the Troubles should be obvious why that is wrong, if the IRA border Campaign then the Irish Defence Forces had basically zero experience and the sentiment you are describing was already outdated by the time the 4th contingent was deployed and in the aftermath of the Niemba Ambush. Also the sentiment at 4:32 if they would see action was still an unknown thing despite how hostile the area of operations the Irish Forces where operating in as no one can definitely say "we will see action" as many Irish soldiers who served in the ONUC over the years even on mulitple trips back many didn't see action especially in the later half of the UN mission.
At 26:21 you said that a famous failure of the UN in Congo involved Irish Troops but you provide no evidence or reference to this failure or what had happened. From what I have read at 35:00 the Katangese Forces had a force fo 500 men with 13 mercs leading them but over the course of the battle the civilian population joined the Katangese Forces over the days of the Siege which swelled the attacking force of Katangese to about 3000 but the civilian population where poorly armed and untrained. Though the number of dead and wounded is still being debated but the overall concensus is that 300 where killed at jadotville with a number a mercs killed including 1 frenchman I believe.
I would like to add at 37:25 A coy with Cmdt. Quinlan conducted a raid a few weeks before leaving for home on a Katangese supply depot around Elizabethville and after a few attempts they managed to cross a swamp and use a 84mm AT Gun to destroy a decent amoint of Katangese supplies including fuel for vehicles. At 38:20 A Coy did get some good press but the men of 35th Bn A Coy where ostracised by the commanding ranks especially the head of the Defence Forces Chief of Staff Sean MacEoin who was also the Commanding Officer of ONUC forces at the time of Jadotville and before being appointed ONUC CO he was Chief of Staff for 11 Months and afterwards on his return to the Ireland was reappointed Chief of Staff in 1962 and would hold the position for almost 9 years. He and many others denied what the men of A Coy did and labelled them cowards and the term Jadotville Jacks became a slur against the men of A Coy even amoung their own Enlisted Ranking comrades. Some committed suicide because of the discrimination some years after the battle and others where denied promotions for a long time after too. Quote from Wiki "The veterans of Jadotville were dissatisfied that the Defence Forces refused to acknowledge the battle and that there was an implied black mark on the reputation of their commander. A number of Irish soldiers, who had been involved in the siege, reputedly took their own lives in later years.[22][34] Quinlan, who died in 1997, had his public reputation restored nine years after his death.[35] John Gorman, a retired soldier who had been a 17-year-old private during the fight, campaigned to have the Battle of Jadotville recognised. In 2004 Irish Minister for Defence Willie O'Dea agreed to hold a full review of the battle. A Defence Forces inquiry cleared Quinlan and "A" Company of allegations of soldierly misconduct. A commemorative stone recognising the soldiers of "A" Company was erected on the grounds of Custume Barracks in Athlone in 2005."
I believe at 38:20 you do the men of A Coy a disservice by not referencing the above in this segment and instead make it out that they weren't ostracised and at 39:00 you are wrong here the second line of the piece of info was correct and did start from the top and amoung the enlisted ranks as I said before above Sean MAcEoin OC ONUC 1961 was head of the Defence Forces 11 months prior to the Congo appointment and after almost 9 years served as head of the Defence Forces. The culture in Ireland at the time was far more respectful of the Irish Defence Forces and your reference to Irish culture only rings true for today but not in 1960s Ireland.
I agree with you at the end of the video I do hope that a better representation of Irish troops on the Congo during the 60s comes about be that a TV series or a movie. Sorry for the long essay but I wanted to point a few things out and hear your reasoning thanks for the video it was a good video keep it up :)
You never addressed that there is implication that Union Minière (THE MINING COMPANIES!) had something to do with with Dag Hammarskjold's death. They also transferred around 30 million USD to Tschombe's personal account. For a solid material it seems like it was happily overlooked.
I generally have little to no knowledge of this conflict, who was this Dag and what was his allegiance, and who were these French mining union guys?
Dag Hammerskjold was General Secretary of the United Nations. He died in a plane crash in neighbouring Zambia. The cause of the crash remains unknown.
@@HankScorpio93 Thank you, this time period and region is in a bit of a blankspot as far as my knowledge on history and politics goes. So I appreciate your aid in remedying my ignorance.
But why? Hammerskjold was going to negotiate a ceasefire. Why would Union Miniere want to stop that and keep operating in a warzone instead?
It'd be like the French blowing up the German train as they headed to Versailles to surrender.
@@neohyberboreantechnosteppe3185 Who knows. Perhaps they viewed that by turmoil Tschombe would still hold reins of power. The implication was made by a son of UN worker in Congo.
Glad to see you are still alive. I like this video format, hope you plan on doing more like this in the future.
Thank you, I've got a fair few ideas, it's just a case of finding the time.
I’ve done some of my own research on the siege and according to the Independent Review Group (one of your sources) the men didn’t forget their 81mm mortars and rations, they were told not to bring them. Instead, they would be brought in a re-supply run that never came. It was said by a number of the men that this was a grave grave mistake as it reduced the range at which they could make fires on the enemy.
Quite an interesting analysis. Since the Congo crisis has been mostly ignored by the film making industry so far, it seems even more tragic, that the opportunity to portray the events correctly have been wasted. Good work, Major! I will keep an eye on your content.
It gave me a bit of a chuckle when in the intro the director asserts that if there was any dissent, the people who dont agree with the film have been very quiet, as if most of us knew anything about the battle beforehand.
Good to see you back mate!, your content defined my 2021
"While it looks cool, there weren't any high speed jeep crashes"...😂😂😂 yeah that got me
I don't know about any of the other inaccuracies, but when I first watched the movie, I thought it was strange that the "sniper" specifically chose the Bren, an open bolt machine gun, to make a single precise long range shot. And a year or two later Forgotten Weapons made a video where the talks, among other inaccuracies, about that specific one and I gave myself a good pat on the back for that one.
it bothers me how modern everyone in this movie looks. shiny bright polyester suits, rolled up sleeves everywhere, shorter sleeves on suits, just in general everyone looks like they're from the 80s or 90s at the earliest. i have to constantly remind myself "this is set in the 60s" because it seems ridiculous.
I got all the way to the guy firing standing up without realising it was MajorSamm! I have loved your music videos for years so happy you're deciding to more Historical videos but talking!!!
I hope you do more of these breakdowns of historical movies. Historical breakdowns in general actually.
I subscribed years ago for the music videos, but I was really pulled in by your genuine care for history and providing of it.
33:21 Just wanted to add, yes they never show the pilots again or properly tell us whether they survived in the film or not, Quinlan in the film does say "Get those pilots out of there", which does suggest they survived and at the very least, that they didn't forget about the pilots.
All im gonna say is that Quinlan was a fricking genius.
Hot damn, he's back with the pack of newports. Glad you're back.
I only realised it was after 40 minutes of video. Fantastic effort, and I dare say, worthy of many more in the same vein.
_"This film has an unhealthy obsession with the mining companies."_
Because the writers of this film are encouraged to pursue and anti-colonialist attitude that they think is exemplified by capitalism.
I mean Lenin told us Imperialism is the last stage of Capitalism
@@riccardopattarinWhich is funny considering both the history of imperialism by the USSR and the fact that capitalism was in no way late stage in the 1960's.
@@wojtekthebear4958 You are correct on the first part, Soviets talking about imperialism is mad funny, but capitalism was late stage in the 60s, just as much as it is late stage now. Love it or hate it, the capitalists won the cold war, they don't have much need to evolve and change now.
@@milannedic4622 Except capitalism has changed by leaps and bounds since the 60's. There hadn't even been the neoclassical synthesis in economics, decolonization was still ongoing, international shipping was in its infancy, and most developed countries, including the US, were still primarily manufacturing focused, unlike our service focused economies today.
@@wojtekthebear4958 Thanks for responding! Yeah, my response was idiotic lmao. I tried saying that capitalism has not shifted its position (battling anti capitalism) since the last century, but I ended up saying that capitalism has not changed, which is, as you ponted out, simply untrue. Capitalist modes of production have changed, yet the social position of the people who have benefitted most from capitalism has not, and that is what makes it late stage.
Wow I never expected you to return with such banger documentary, awesome work man, God bless you
Having worked for the UN in peacekeeping, I can say that the one thing the movie gets right, is that the UN senior leadership are untrustworthy, self-serving and vacuous. Many are career civil servants from small countries. If they are from developed countries, they have or realize they will fail to achieve the choice positions in their home country. The UN is their best 'second chance'. If from developing countries, working at the UN is the best paid job with the best pension they will ever get. However, this means they will never say anything that will risk their losing their job. Because they are from small countries, the UN, and for Europeans the EU, represent the best chance these people have for having a job with some real responsibility/authority - its why Irish politicians cream their gusset about the EU and UN. No one knew who Jean-Claude Juncker was until he became President of the EU Commission.
Absolutely great video.
I'm happy to see you back, mate.
Was missing your uploads for too long. This video compensates the whole year‘s holiday😅
The Legend has returned! Great video as always, and really important work. Never knew that the inaccuracies where this numerous.
My dear MajorSamm!!! (-: I am SO glad to see you are still alive and have posted once again! ~your most dedicated Afrikaner-American fan
Filmmakers just have to know by this point they'll get called out good. Being a Veteran myself, I'd consider it an insult to misrepresent what I took part in, even worse the families of those who were lost!
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
Welcome back Major, good to see you.
Elated for your return, please continue your work, as it's always a visual and scholarly delight.
Glad you're back! Love this video format 🙌🏿
This video is great. I understand it's a huge effort, but I think this kind of long form content suits you the best
MajorSamm is back with another excellent video!
Great video! Looking forward to seeing more from this channel.
What a pleasant surprise. Good to hear you again
So this film increased the number of enemy combatants while reducing friendly combatants. Sounds like ancient historians to me.
Let me just say thanks for making this to set the record straight, I'm Irish and have a facination with our UN overseas history (Mostly because my dad and grandad were UN Peacekeepers, both served in Lebanon and my dad was in Chad and East Timor), though I could never find exact details about this battle apart from Wikipedia (An iffy source at best) and this film (Which clearly has some holes and flaws). I really appreciate your work, I've been a viewer since the Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner MV with the Italian documentary following the Mercs in the Congo. The latter of which I've watched and I have to say my favorite part is with the Rhodesian pilots Tom O' Keefe and Somerset Wilson providing air support for ground forces, on their forms before they took off they signed them with Destination: Hell. Reason for flight: Personal business.
You may be interested in a documentary made at the time about the Congo/Katanga issue:
ua-cam.com/video/rvgBvwfW5Dw/v-deo.html
I think, instead of having historical movies say "Based on a true story" or "Inspired by true events" (gotta love the wordsmith who came up with that) they should just say, "Historical Documentary" or "Fictionalized retelling". Very straight forward, black and white, educational vs entertainment. This movie would seem to fall into the latter category of entertainment.
Great to see you back major. Well done, thank you for your amazing intellect and knowledge of military events.
we still getting the big mercenary video thats talking about the bullshit in Africa Addio right?
Yes, it's been delayed over and over again as I've ended up buying more foreign books than I can handle. I've also been in talks with some of the few veterans of the campaign but they're busy folk so the interview process has been slow.
@@MajorSammawesome! you probably saw it but i sent you some info on discord about africa addio you might be interested in as well
Having had zero knowledge whatsoever of the source material going into the film, I can't agree more with your statement that ignorant viewers like myself would be better off not having seen the film. I completely agree that a film covering the events accurately especially what was going on elsewhere, would be far more interesting.
I think a great benchmark for tone for a war film is that a good war film's action scenes should make you feel terrified, and it should express the lack of control and the randomness of brutal and extreme violence. The filmmakers seemed to want to make an "Irish Zulu," except the film focused enough on Jadotville so as to leave out hugely important information, but failed to spend time adequately conveying the political situation. It is ironic that a film which clearly means to follow in the footsteps of Zulu ends up disrespecting the Katangese side in a way I can only describe as racist, where African soldiers are depicted as only capable of human waves, while Zulu expressed the bravery and ingenuity of the Zulu warriors.
I mean if it is racist it's not very well thought out, the Katangese forces were being led by the European mercenaries. So the human wave tactics are the European mercenaries' tactics.
Hey man. I got into your content about two years ago and remember when you posted about making different content styles. I think i kinda shit talked you a bit, and I feel bad for that. On top of that, this is really engaging and interesting content. Glad you're still making vids and hopefully this is more of what you wanted to do.
24:00 RE: sniping with a Bren.. I liked The Chieftain’s rebuttal that sometimes soldiers believe & act on these things despite being told they shouldn’t.
Great video! Please do more of these. I have had your post notifications on for year
Good to see you're back, I really like this type of content from you and hope for more, but I still would like to see your normal type of videos.
I didn’t even realize who I was watching for a sec, love the music videos Samm, but this rocks too.
YES!!!!! hes back, i love this guy, more videos like this my man, 10/10
Glad to see you back Samm. Very glad actually
I remember watching this when it first came out, and reading about the battle afterwards, and being perplexed at how they got it so incredibly wrong
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
You're back! Great to see you mate!
The movie was so inaccurate it brought MajorSamm back from the dead
I can't go through any comment section without finding ongezellig anymore
@@rhodie. jij moet met ons lijden
24:04 I heard that could've happened since the sniper didn't have a scope and troops overestimated the accuracy of the Bren.
Very interesting video and welcome back
I was just looking at your channel yesterday longing for your return.
I first read about the siege in the 1980s book The New Mercenaries. That book says, '"Three days later the Irish garrison at Jadotville, 184 strong, surrendered to the Katanganese led by the French mercenary Michel de Clary. Admittedly they were surrounded and their water supply has been cut off. But their position although unpleasant was not desperate; if their morale had been high, they could have fought their way out and inflicted a crushing defeat on the Katangese and the mercenaries. The least that can be said is that this surrender was hardly in the spirit of Irish history."
Did that book understand that a human can only last three days without water?
@@Gustav_KurigaLet them drink cake.
It's weirdly uncharitable. It speaks about the spirit of Irish history, but Ireland isn't a country known for professional military significance at all either. The Irish military is notoriously underfunded and neglected. Given the restraints of the UN mission, their equipment etc, they performed well enough. But most importantly, heroic last stands are only fought against a true enemy to your nation, which tbe Congo crisis was not.
The mercenaries compared the UN forces in Katanga. "The Swedes, the other European contingent in Katanga, won the reputation of never
daring to set foot outside their armoured cars. Perhaps the morale of both Swedes and Irish was low because they had volunteered to come to the Congo and had expected to find a friendly population and be involved only in police operations; even so it was a dismal performance. The Indians at least performed respectable if cautiously; and the Ethiopians, though accused of atrocities, could never be accused of cowardice."
@@edwardd9702 Ah yes, because the only thing worse than atrocities is not setting foot outside your armored cars during peacekeeping operations. You know, that thing where they try to keep the peace, not fight a war.
I am very glad to see that you are back from your hiatus.
I like MS's histotical content as well as his music videos
seeing you come back is so fucking good, even more on Friday!
didn't know this was majorsamm until i went to subscribe and saw i was already subbed. love this guy
glad to see new content, this is brilliant
Thank you for uploading and giving much needed context for this film.
If you want to know the Truth here it is from the soldier that where there. It is in 4 parts its in Irish with English also and Subtitle part 2 is about what Jadotville was really like.ua-cam.com/video/GPdGNHGK5Oc/v-deo.html part 2 ua-cam.com/video/i7DCNRNOB9g/v-deo.html part 3 ua-cam.com/video/rEdNElopSJg/v-deo.html part 4 ua-cam.com/video/7gO_o_sx0G4/v-deo.html
I find it so aggravating that the movie’s narrative will end up being the most widely believed one from sheer exposure level. And who knows what unintentional consequences that will have.
5:20 - Totally fictional, but great acting. And the actor isn’t responsible for a hilariously inaccurate script.
Good to see you again, Samm. Keep it up.
this man returns from his sleeper cell mission just to drop another banger
I hope you continue doing content like this! Great watch
I was getting ready for bed and was wondering if you’d posted anything recently.. Knowing it had been a year. Welcome back!
Hay, you are alive! Glad to hear you mate)
got to be honest; distorting history in movies that pretend to be centered around actual historical events should be illegal. 90% of people are legitimately unable to distinguish fact from fiction if they see something in a movie. i've heard people say that salieri killed mozart. i've heard people say that the enigma code was cracked because """""every german message ended in HH""""". i've heard people say they thought band of brothers was a documentary filmed on location in ww2. the stupidity of people should be safeguarded, not exploited.
That is why they say based on a true story, not recreation of a true story. Artistic liberty, despite some times being used for revisionism and misinformation, is still protected by freedom of expression. To ban films like this would be a clear violation of the first amendment.
@@Cowboycomando54 people are obviously too stupid to understand "based on a true story". also "the constitution" gets violated CONSTANTLY, it has no value whatsoever apart from the phariseeism you just tried to pull. its writers might as well be from another dimension so alien is the current united states to their common sensibilities.
@@Cowboycomando54 Then u got films like Ridley Scott's Napoleon
@@hx20games77 People have a right to make bad movies.
@@Cowboycomando54 but they have no right to change/manipulate history
I’m ngl, I got through this whole video before realizing this was made by you Sam. Welcome back, thanks for another great video!
The Legend has returned,we missed you mate.
Thank you, MajorSamm, this was an eye opener. Took everything in with interest, as the movie did missed a few serious facts. ( ex - Paratrooper friend of mine's Dad was with ACoy at the time...
Wish I was at the location of the movie shoot, just to liberate all those lovely old Land Rovers 😢😢
been waiting for samm to come back with the milk
I've been trying to get in with the milk for a week now but UA-cam wasn't having it. (I'm not sure this analogy works very well)
@@MajorSamm I need more Milk
Finally, the man himself posts again!