It feels funny hearing a modern MOUT instructor talking about tactics we learned when we first began in Afghanistan and Iraq and had to deal with more urban combat.
@@bostonrailfan2427 He was on Andy Stumpf's podcast. He was actually working with some group that was advising Ukrainians on urban defence in the weeks leading up to the invasion. He was a Captain with deployments to Iraq, and was basically taking experience from that era and relaying it to them. Some stuff I never even thought about, like either removing street signs or deliberately swapping them with other signs.
@@unluckytourist “expert” at only one narrow period of time, ignorant of anything else…his WWII claims were way off from what experts said. he’s like so many others: “expert” but has zero clue about what he’s seeing that isn’t in his narrow time period if expertise
I know he didn’t like the technical accuracy of MOSUL but I encourage people to watch it. It’s an intense film, based on real-life events, and for once the protagonists aren’t Westerners in a foreign land. It’s a raw film, with people of grey moral character, but its aesthetic and performances are well worth the watch.
Exactly, but he is comparing it to how westerners would be tactically when the whole movie is based on the local fighters... i don't get him mentioning bomb sniffing dogs when that is not how the local fighters would be
@@Trojanfan666 Also true! Moreover, the main team were tactical police who transitioned into warfighters. I’m sure they were rough around certain edges. Either way, such an intense and visceral film.
The breakdowns are often like this - "this is inaccurate to how we would do this" vs "this is the incorrect way of doing it, but it happened this way". There is a Green Beret on UA-cam who reviewed Mosul and said it was accurate in many ways to how the local forces he worked with behaved.
About mouse holing: my grandfather talked about his experiences in urban warfare during WWII and said you never used the door but made your own. The standard procedure they used was to put a satchel charge against a wall and blow a hole in it. Then two soldiers would throw grenades. After the grenades went of one with a tommy gun would spray all 30 rounds into the room. While reloading two would unload their M1's. Then the tommy gunner would step in and look for staircases and spray them at the same time into the ceiling above, which is the floor of the second level. He said that the Germans would often stand just above the hole that they made and wait to hear when they moved in then spray down through the floor with their sub machine guns. After the tommy gunner finished his clip and moved out to reload the rest of the squad would be moving in to secure the building. Of course in all this they didn't usually have to worry about civilians.
I've heard that even early , AT RPGs were constantly abused as either anti-personnel grenade launchers, or to make mouseholes. In that case, they may shoot below a window as that's already a hole and underneath is probably a radiator (which would stop overpenetrating rockets/grenades). Also, civilians made a lot of mouseholes, especially linking up basements of the entire quarter. You definitely don't want to be buried by rubble after an air raid...
@@spydernyne984 During, and after, the war soldiers called them clips, mainly because an M1 uses a clip to speed load the rifle and so they called anything that put bullets into a gun a clip. While you are technically correct I was using the words that my grandfather used to tell the story.
Would love to see this guy break down the ambush scene from “Clear and Present Danger” - especially seeing as though they allegedly use it as training for ambush scenarios in the CIA. The other one would be the street shootout from “Heat” and the use of police tactics and cover there, as well as Val Kilmer’s flawless reload technique.
True! I’m also surprised we didn’t see SICARIO or THE KINGDOM in the mix. Even the kidnapping scene in MAN ON FIRE, though I can see how that’s not necessarily “warfare” in the strictest sense. But hey, they include a F&F movie so… Maybe we’ll get a part 2!
I'm glad he said a little about how the population was misrepresented in Black Hawk Down. I had a friend who lived in that area, he said it was a wealthy neighbourhood... didn't look like that at all.
I’m sure he didn’t live in Bakaara market tho. The wealthy area’s definitely was on the UN controlled sector of the city that they evacuated towards at the end of the movie.
The Raid actually got a scene where the enemy snipers DELIBERATELY shot a crippling attack to the police outside the building so that their scream can draw their allies into their line of sight.
That always makes me think of Generation Kill when the reporter needs to cross the street under fire and runs in a bizarre serpentine pattern while everyone else laughs at him
In German cities, there are streets marked as "Spielstraße" meaning “playing street” where people/kids can play ball, tag or whatever. Cars can only go 7 km/h / 4.3 mph max. I would say it's the only street I would feel comfortable to say in the middle. 😁😁
That’s Dwayne the rock Johnson. He has bulletproof coating on his bald skull, side effects could be extreme stupidity and lack of basic human common sense.
It's what I constantly had to tell my dog in his first phase of: "I'd like to go in a different direction, why don't we?" I don't mind discussing routes, but NOT in the middle of the street!
These all are great. Nothing to add just giving points to whom ever do deserve. John Spencer does excellent job here and Insider does the editing and all so big thumbs up!
Love Spencer. This guy is the chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute, West Point. But before that he was a combat vet, started as a private. 2 tours in Iraq in 03 then again in the surge. If anybody is familiar with the changing realities of modern urban warfare it’s John Spencer.
Same here. They consulted with the Rangers and the pilot who were actually there, and some of them were actually on the set during filming. In fact, one is actually performing his rescue just as he did on that day, in the film. It's as accurate as it can be. They had an issue with how the Somalis looked, because they were played by Morrocans, and because it appeared to be less coordinated on their side. However, they did portray Aidid as having foot soldiers who set up and planned the downing of the Blackhawks, and it showed their coordinated efforts when the second team went in at night and surprise attacked them. They weren't going to show everything, when the movie was about how the soldiers got out of the city while being attacked by hundreds of armed civilians. They were all trained at the respective military bases, so it is as real as it gets. I think they did a good job.
I'd honestly want to see one of these venerable operators react to the urban shootout towards the end of 2006's "Children of Men", such a realistic portrayal of city combat imo. Plus I'm a sucker for how the troops were kitted out in the film.
@19:55 I watched the interview with Delta Force Operator Kyle Morgan talking about the mule kick and he said that’s the “master key”. He used that kick to clear the hotel rooms and it worked 100%
Did he talk about other doors too? It'd be interesting to know if he was specifically talking about hotel doors or if he meant others too. Of course, hotel doors don't *have* to be easier to kick open but I'd imagine doors to the outside could generally have a stronger locking mechanism in place ... or whatever that is called xD
I always use and teach the mule kick. Generates power, and moves you out of the way of the door so your team can enter quickly. If you're facing the door when you kick, either you need to be first in which means you have to set your footing get your gun on target and then move, or you have to move out of the way to let your team in. Mule kick, step and turn and you're on pace to be the 3rd man into the room.
2:49 this urban battle was set in sidi moussa sale morocco. The men who play somalian insurgent were for the most students from african contries and some other illigal immigrent who life in rabat-sale, they enjoy the experience. The location where the movie was set still today remembrement by the nickname of mogadicio.😅
The ROCK standing in the middle of an ambush letting off rounds is hilarious! 😂😂😂😂😂 You would think the Producers of the film would hire actual SF guys as consultants on war films to emote some semblance of reality in their movies! ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
He's nice to look at too, but I realize that that's kind of rude to say at the same time. Apparently I have a type. My ex is in the army and the one before him was a cop. Says enough about me. Now I'm single on purpose because I don't need to be saved 😂 I literally got rid of all the socials and have stayed alone on purpose for over a year and won't even attempt it, no conversation or anything because just no. I'm done. I've never been alone and it's amazing. 10/10 would recommend. But dude is nice. Lol.
Loved to use mouse holing in XCOM: Enemy Unknown. Yeah, they're aliens, but pinning an enemy squad in an alley with one team, while a second team blast a hole from the side and eliminates their cover, was really effective and fun. Same goes for sniper and overwatch. Finding a good spot so they can cover the advance is almost mandatory. Once you get jet packs, the sniper becomes the grim reaper for exposed enemies.
I just stopped using explosives in XCOM. Was tired of getting bitched at for it lol. It never felt like I could comfortably use them because an enemy could always be right around the corner and could get pasted. I always used a sniper with in the zone, squad sight, executioner, and damn good ground. Set them up on overwatch and run two assaults into a room to stir up the aliens.
Hello, glad to see I'm one of the first :) from belgium and love all your content :) What I do love in this video is that Mr Spencer also speaks about the interaction between the army and the local/civil and I think it is something people don't speak enough about. So if you want a suggestion, try to give more room about the contact between both camp, so that people do realase that war is not just about gun and machine. I have spoken and wish you good luck
A shame that this didn't include Full Metal Jacket. Especially when he comments at the end on a sniper using casualties to draw people out. It also shows the coordination between armor and infantry during urban combat. Overall there's a bit too much focus on the past two decades and Iraq/Afghanistan.
14:10I mean every fifth round is a tracer and fury definitely got close to that. Also those are mostly wooden or old type masonry. So an HE round that was prevalent in the load outs of WW2 tanks definitely would be doing more damage to those compared to shaped charge and the penetrator darts most modern tanks roll around with.
I made the same point...a year later. 😂 Like I've seen the same rounds LIVE in person going down range and the recording on video and photos of it later, and video and photos make it look almost like a laser instead of the intermittant light you see in real life. It's the difference between the speed at which you can process information vs the speed at which a given camera can process the light. Higher speed cameras would have changed the appearance at an unnecessary cost to production.
I really like how, in not so many words, he implied. "People say the depiction of the Somalis was kind of gross considering all of the circumstances around this time." And he didn't say it in a way that implied he disagreed.
A friend of mine was like a Marine Combat Engineer. He said most of his job was either clearing or creating obstacles. Got a wall in the way: blast it. Need an extra wall: blast it.
They better supply him with a lot of popcorn (and preferably his choice of strong drink), as compensation for inflicting that kind of punishment on a career soldier/analyst. :D
Some suggested if there is a follow up: Generation kills, Hurt Locker, Sicario, Band of brothers (Sainte Mère Église and river crossing parts especially)
Hurt Locker was bullshit, like The Wall. 2 of the dumbest "war movies" ever. Right up there with Delta Farce. They were so dumb I kept hoping it would get better but never did.
Depends on the suppressors used. Mine is pretty quiet depending on the rifle/barrel length. With subsonic ammo its quiet enough you can hear the round hit 140 yd down range. Sbr would be louder, but they also CAN have suppressors that are not on the civilian market.
5:32 the pioneer tools on the Strykers are amazing for this reason. We can at least send a runner to fetch an axe from the Vics since they were a few hundred nesters from us hitting the objective. Or have someone grab it when we get dropped off at the VDO if we know we might need them. I remember one time we were doing EA Dev and one of our sister platoons were all struggling using their E tools while our dudes grabbed the pick and the shovel to help them out from the vics. This is why I’m a huge proponent for very single US Army ground vehicle at least having an axe, a shovel, a sledge hammer and a pick as part of their basic load out for any patrol. Maybe add a pry bar and a halligan in that if you can.
In Iraq, we had a Scout in my unit that carried an Axe and when someone further up the CoC found out, they threatened him with an Article 15 if he didnt get rid of it lol. They didnt want us intimidating the locals or some other reason
I watched a clip with the sheriff of Bagdad were he said that you should absolutely use the mule kick. If the door is thin and you kick it as a front kick your leg will go straight through and you will be stuck in the door. He’s one of the most respected special forces out there
They should have shown more of the clip from Enemy at the Gates because he did "know" where the guy was, he did just get super lucky that in that blown out building he had a god ray of light coming down RIGHT where he needed it to reflect off his mirror at that vent. And sometimes Cat and mouse sniper fights do happen Carlos Hathcock did go sniper hunting and they certainly were looking for him.
I feel like Mosul is underrated, it has reasonable tactics and an enthralling story and it takes place over the span of an afternoon. I feel like it's quite realistic but don't be a sucker and put an English dub, war situations in native tongue can really sell the scene
Steven Segal is the single greatest urban warfare expert on the planet. He actually taught Mr. Spencer at the Segal Urban Center and Kill School (SUCKS for short) Steven started SUCKS after his last straight to DVD academy award winning movie: Building Shooter 3.
There’s another great example of “mouse holing” in Che Pt 1 where a small group of Che’s guys bust their way thru several houses to reach a church where a sniper was perched. Che also talks about it in his Reminiscences on the Cuban Revolution.
rant add: way back in afghan war, saw liveleaks vids on usa trrops under fire, so they rushed into a building and debated, then blew a hole to a side street. the sgt asked his men to cross. though none wanted to. so they deployed white smoke for the first few guys to cross...
The trick with urban warfare is; do you stand in the middle of the street exposed to gunfire, or do you huddle up next to walls and risk getting taken out by explosives? To give credit to Fury, earlier on in the film, they specify the tracer round is one out of a specific number, I think it was 25 or so. The scene where the Germans are shooting ‘light sabers’ was probably just for the convenience of the audience.
I wish he could react to Elite Squad (Tropa de Elite) which takes place in late 90s Rio favelas and is base on a book by a real life squad leader. The Battalion of Special Operations (BOPE) is known for being one of the most experienced, well-trained yet deadliest police unit in the world and the movie does a fantastic job portraying it.
I spoke with some Brazilian girls that emigrated to Austria and they told me that the movie is extremely accurate when it comes to the corruption, violence, etc.
Mule kick was being taught as the way to enter for a number of years, so your body was behind the wall as you kicked. The way it's shown in the last movie was wrong, but in the h eat of battle, mistakes happen...even more when Hollywood gets involved hehehe
It really depends on the door. I kicked in a steel door, but know wooden doors that would survive the police battering ramms... Most doors are just a legal note, but some are really built to take hits.
In most movies I have watched the mule kick is shown with the soldier standing in front of the door and kicking backwards. The version that keeps the body in cover makes more sense to me. I am not a soldier or veteran. I served in an ERT and learned my breaching with jaws of life, a Haligan or an axe. On the other side of the door nobody was shooting at us.
@@maxlutz3674if someone is on the other side, you want to see them, so you can shoot them. If you can't see then, but they see you kicking in the door, they can shoot you through the wall, or lay down fire through the doorway. Kill them before they kill you, pretty simple really.
The "laser" effect is just due to the speed of the rounds vs the speed of film. If you're there and see it live it looks different than the same scene captured on film, moving or still.
Another great vid. Just ya know, he says M2 Fifty-cal, aka Browning M 2 Fifty Caliber machinegun. It is not M250 as named the chapter in the vid : ) (also then you show example vid of a soldier shooting FN MAG, not M2, but I just being an arse :) )
His point is that in real life tracer rounds are not set that close to each other to the point that they are so frequent it looks like you are shooting lasers.
@Solar-td4fj usually every 3-8 rounds there is a tracer round that I've come across. So it's really not that uncommon, I've also come across quarter tracers, which is one every 5th round. If you're firing a weapon that's pumping out 850 rounds per minute, it definitely can look like that.
Great analysis! I was hoping to see the final battle from The Kingdom since i had some issues with the FBI hiding behind cars when they very shooting with assault rifles at each other.
holyshit I didn't expect the raid to get a 9 because it's mainly a flashy martial art movie I guess those guys really did put in a lot of work, with a fraction of a Hollywood movie budget no less
There was a recent forgotten weapons video on that scene that showed its main flaw and its simply that the US snipers weapon is all wrong (specifically the optics he has, one of which wasn't issued to the army at all).
@gamecokben Glad I can relive some of the wonder.. also the comment wasn't for you.. as you don't work for the channel or probably at all.. they ask to tell them what content you like the most.. so they keep putting out content worth while.. 🤡
An odd bit of film is from the U.S. Army returning to the Philippines ( not just a movie or show ). A soldier is standing in the street, firing at some target in a building. Not making the effort at safety.
I'm surprised to learn that modern sniper rifles are typically suppressed or silenced. I always read that anything that touches the rifle barrel interferes with the accuracy.
Mounting a suppressor to the barrel may affect where shots land but you just adjust that in your sight's zero because while the gun may now shoot a little different the suppressor stays on the gun and isn't changing shot to shot. Touching the barrel is not really the core issue, the issue is that you zero the gun under one set of conditions and anything that changes those conditions (such as putting pressure on the barrel where there wasn't during zeroing) will have an affect on the point of impact.
The can never touchrs the rifling of the barrel, what affects your accuracy the most is the fact that the bullet will have more time in an enclosed space where its being accelerated by burning gasses, giving the projectile a faster rate of speed which WILL affect accuracy but not usually in a negative way, you just have to account for added fps, but another way to mitigate that issue is to have 2 rifles
Should have showed Elite Squad. A movie from Brazil (tropa de elite in Portuguese) about the elite military police unit, BOPE, in rio de janeiro. Theres some good scenes in that one
The interesting thing in the battle in Fast Five is that they actually downplayed the kind of shootouts that happen in the rio favelas. Criminals in rio are some of the most heavily armed on the planet, packing RPGs, fifty cals and assault rifles. The issues is that most of these weapons are placed in the hands of drug-addled teenagers, and the drug lords even use under-ten kids as spotters, setting off fireworks to alert the rest of the troop where cops and enemies are coming from. The fighting is pure chaos, and most of the people who end up dying are literal children. The Tropa de Elite films are probably good ones for this guy to review.
@@Mazupicua1 "Or perhaps that epic video Assange is in prison for..." The 2nd part of his comment was talking about the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike footage
Does Sicario have much urban combat? The tightest fighting I remember is the border crossing ambush not sure if that qualifies as urban warfare or not.
The Stalingrad fight, he says didn't happen, true. But! The Russian female Sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko aka Lady Death killed several enemy snipers in cat and mouse battles.
In Mogadishu, TF Ranger got complacent. They had conducted so many successful raids, that they never changed up their playbook. Which allowed Aidid's men to plan successful countermeasures.
the fact that they included so many crappy movies is hilarious. The ambush scene in Clear and Present Danger is a great example of a successful urban ambush and ambush in The Devils Own would have been another great example to cite for this video.
It feels funny hearing a modern MOUT instructor talking about tactics we learned when we first began in Afghanistan and Iraq and had to deal with more urban combat.
Do you mean outdated?
We’re literally in a museum bro.
his bio blurb says “researcher”…i doubt he actually taught anyone anything especially as an officer
@@bostonrailfan2427 He was on Andy Stumpf's podcast. He was actually working with some group that was advising Ukrainians on urban defence in the weeks leading up to the invasion. He was a Captain with deployments to Iraq, and was basically taking experience from that era and relaying it to them. Some stuff I never even thought about, like either removing street signs or deliberately swapping them with other signs.
@@unluckytourist “expert” at only one narrow period of time, ignorant of anything else…his WWII claims were way off from what experts said. he’s like so many others: “expert” but has zero clue about what he’s seeing that isn’t in his narrow time period if expertise
I know he didn’t like the technical accuracy of MOSUL but I encourage people to watch it. It’s an intense film, based on real-life events, and for once the protagonists aren’t Westerners in a foreign land.
It’s a raw film, with people of grey moral character, but its aesthetic and performances are well worth the watch.
Exactly, but he is comparing it to how westerners would be tactically when the whole movie is based on the local fighters... i don't get him mentioning bomb sniffing dogs when that is not how the local fighters would be
@@Trojanfan666 Also true! Moreover, the main team were tactical police who transitioned into warfighters. I’m sure they were rough around certain edges.
Either way, such an intense and visceral film.
The breakdowns are often like this - "this is inaccurate to how we would do this" vs "this is the incorrect way of doing it, but it happened this way". There is a Green Beret on UA-cam who reviewed Mosul and said it was accurate in many ways to how the local forces he worked with behaved.
Mosul is an excellent film about a battle that really deserves to be remembered - glad to see it getting some appreciation.
True
About mouse holing: my grandfather talked about his experiences in urban warfare during WWII and said you never used the door but made your own. The standard procedure they used was to put a satchel charge against a wall and blow a hole in it. Then two soldiers would throw grenades. After the grenades went of one with a tommy gun would spray all 30 rounds into the room. While reloading two would unload their M1's. Then the tommy gunner would step in and look for staircases and spray them at the same time into the ceiling above, which is the floor of the second level. He said that the Germans would often stand just above the hole that they made and wait to hear when they moved in then spray down through the floor with their sub machine guns. After the tommy gunner finished his clip and moved out to reload the rest of the squad would be moving in to secure the building.
Of course in all this they didn't usually have to worry about civilians.
I've heard that even early , AT RPGs were constantly abused as either anti-personnel grenade launchers, or to make mouseholes. In that case, they may shoot below a window as that's already a hole and underneath is probably a radiator (which would stop overpenetrating rockets/grenades).
Also, civilians made a lot of mouseholes, especially linking up basements of the entire quarter. You definitely don't want to be buried by rubble after an air raid...
The Thompson gunner would have a magazine, not a clip.
@@spydernyne984 During, and after, the war soldiers called them clips, mainly because an M1 uses a clip to speed load the rifle and so they called anything that put bullets into a gun a clip. While you are technically correct I was using the words that my grandfather used to tell the story.
@@spydernyne984oh shut up
@@spydernyne984 I don't know why but pretty much every non-native speaker of English gets this wrong. I was one of them long ago...
This guy is excellent. He finds the things that are off but gives credit to the things done well.
Wow, maybe that's why they hired him for the job
@@gamecokben professional
@@gamecokben don't be a troll.
Gave a super hero movie higher realism rating than fast/furious movie, that's a win
You can tell he has a bit more rank from what you see with the average crayon eating grunt
Would love to see this guy break down the ambush scene from “Clear and Present Danger” - especially seeing as though they allegedly use it as training for ambush scenarios in the CIA. The other one would be the street shootout from “Heat” and the use of police tactics and cover there, as well as Val Kilmer’s flawless reload technique.
True! I’m also surprised we didn’t see SICARIO or THE KINGDOM in the mix. Even the kidnapping scene in MAN ON FIRE, though I can see how that’s not necessarily “warfare” in the strictest sense. But hey, they include a F&F movie so…
Maybe we’ll get a part 2!
Yeah, they need to make a part 2.
I was hoping for them to review that scene from "Clear and Present Danger" as well!
Agree, a wonderfully suspenseful build to a terrifying kill zone
Val Kilmer is forever a legend because of Heat.
I'm glad he said a little about how the population was misrepresented in Black Hawk Down. I had a friend who lived in that area, he said it was a wealthy neighbourhood... didn't look like that at all.
It’s all relative
I think Black Hawk Down was shot in Morocco
@@FullThrottleProductions it was
@@FlyingTigersKMT 👍
I’m sure he didn’t live in Bakaara market tho. The wealthy area’s definitely was on the UN controlled sector of the city that they evacuated towards at the end of the movie.
Mosul is a personal favorite movie. Excellently shot and a very compelling story. Also nice to have main characters that weren't from the US or Europe
The Raid actually got a scene where the enemy snipers DELIBERATELY shot a crippling attack to the police outside the building so that their scream can draw their allies into their line of sight.
Do NOT stand in the middle of the street!!!
It's generally a bad idea no matter the circumstances.
That always makes me think of Generation Kill when the reporter needs to cross the street under fire and runs in a bizarre serpentine pattern while everyone else laughs at him
Exactly!
This advice is useful even in non combat situations.
In German cities, there are streets marked as "Spielstraße" meaning “playing street” where people/kids can play ball, tag or whatever. Cars can only go 7 km/h / 4.3 mph max. I would say it's the only street I would feel comfortable to say in the middle. 😁😁
That’s Dwayne the rock Johnson. He has bulletproof coating on his bald skull, side effects could be extreme stupidity and lack of basic human common sense.
It's what I constantly had to tell my dog in his first phase of: "I'd like to go in a different direction, why don't we?" I don't mind discussing routes, but NOT in the middle of the street!
Big props for recognizing The Raid Redemption. Excellent movie.
People never shut up about those movies, what do you mean?
Excellent fight scenes in a terrible movie
Great movie
@@mechanomics2649I mean, it is one of the best action fighting movies ever
@@mechanomics2649You need to remember that RAID identifies as Indonesian movie. A country with very loud netizen power
These all are great. Nothing to add just giving points to whom ever do deserve. John Spencer does excellent job here and Insider does the editing and all so big thumbs up!
Love Spencer. This guy is the chair of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute, West Point. But before that he was a combat vet, started as a private. 2 tours in Iraq in 03 then again in the surge. If anybody is familiar with the changing realities of modern urban warfare it’s John Spencer.
Black Hawk Down is one of my favorite military movies! It’s so stressful
Same here. They consulted with the Rangers and the pilot who were actually there, and some of them were actually on the set during filming. In fact, one is actually performing his rescue just as he did on that day, in the film. It's as accurate as it can be. They had an issue with how the Somalis looked, because they were played by Morrocans, and because it appeared to be less coordinated on their side. However, they did portray Aidid as having foot soldiers who set up and planned the downing of the Blackhawks, and it showed their coordinated efforts when the second team went in at night and surprise attacked them. They weren't going to show everything, when the movie was about how the soldiers got out of the city while being attacked by hundreds of armed civilians. They were all trained at the respective military bases, so it is as real as it gets. I think they did a good job.
I'd honestly want to see one of these venerable operators react to the urban shootout towards the end of 2006's "Children of Men", such a realistic portrayal of city combat imo. Plus I'm a sucker for how the troops were kitted out in the film.
@19:55 I watched the interview with Delta Force Operator Kyle Morgan talking about the mule kick and he said that’s the “master key”. He used that kick to clear the hotel rooms and it worked 100%
Brilliant interview on the shawn ryan show @ShawnRyanShowOfficial
Did he talk about other doors too? It'd be interesting to know if he was specifically talking about hotel doors or if he meant others too. Of course, hotel doors don't *have* to be easier to kick open but I'd imagine doors to the outside could generally have a stronger locking mechanism in place ... or whatever that is called xD
I always use and teach the mule kick. Generates power, and moves you out of the way of the door so your team can enter quickly. If you're facing the door when you kick, either you need to be first in which means you have to set your footing get your gun on target and then move, or you have to move out of the way to let your team in.
Mule kick, step and turn and you're on pace to be the 3rd man into the room.
@@LightemupWMH Mulekick, nothing happens, everyone inside knows you're there, get shot in the head.
Biomechanics and physics say otherwise. 😅
2:49 this urban battle was set in sidi moussa sale morocco. The men who play somalian insurgent were for the most students from african contries and some other illigal immigrent who life in rabat-sale, they enjoy the experience.
The location where the movie was set still today remembrement by the nickname of mogadicio.😅
The ROCK standing in the middle of an ambush letting off rounds is hilarious! 😂😂😂😂😂 You would think the Producers of the film would hire actual SF guys as consultants on war films to emote some semblance of reality in their movies! ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
Please more of this guy 🙏 eloquent, fair, informative
this guy was awsome! he kept my attention all the way trough
he also has a Podcast, Urban Warfare Project, highly recommended for everybody interested in the topic
Try serving in his platoon... (it was awesome)
He's nice to look at too, but I realize that that's kind of rude to say at the same time. Apparently I have a type. My ex is in the army and the one before him was a cop. Says enough about me. Now I'm single on purpose because I don't need to be saved 😂 I literally got rid of all the socials and have stayed alone on purpose for over a year and won't even attempt it, no conversation or anything because just no. I'm done. I've never been alone and it's amazing. 10/10 would recommend. But dude is nice. Lol.
Loved to use mouse holing in XCOM: Enemy Unknown. Yeah, they're aliens, but pinning an enemy squad in an alley with one team, while a second team blast a hole from the side and eliminates their cover, was really effective and fun.
Same goes for sniper and overwatch. Finding a good spot so they can cover the advance is almost mandatory. Once you get jet packs, the sniper becomes the grim reaper for exposed enemies.
I just stopped using explosives in XCOM. Was tired of getting bitched at for it lol. It never felt like I could comfortably use them because an enemy could always be right around the corner and could get pasted.
I always used a sniper with in the zone, squad sight, executioner, and damn good ground. Set them up on overwatch and run two assaults into a room to stir up the aliens.
The only XCOM I ever played was the original, back in the late eights, early 90s. Loved it, never manage to actually win, LOL!!!
I think the Battle of Carentan from Band of Brothers should've made the list, it was very well done.
It wasn't urban warfare...
@@gurugulab1414 yes it was....
@@M1MyRifle he may be using a different definition of urban, houses, buildings, walls, roofs, or planet Consensus Reality. :P
@@gurugulab1414?? 😆
I think the Market Garden scene should've also made the list. Though..one would probably enough.
In my opinion, the Raid 1 & 2 are the greatest martial art action movies of all times 💯
Definitely in my top 5 of all time.
100% greatest of all time. Literally cant think of a close second thats like it
Enter the dragon that would be.
Hello, glad to see I'm one of the first :) from belgium and love all your content :) What I do love in this video is that Mr Spencer also speaks about the interaction between the army and the local/civil and I think it is something people don't speak enough about. So if you want a suggestion, try to give more room about the contact between both camp, so that people do realase that war is not just about gun and machine.
I have spoken and wish you good luck
"The Raid" getting serious love!🥰👍
Love these! So informative👏. This guy is really interesting, bring him back.
I love that he gave such high marks to the Raid!
A shame that this didn't include Full Metal Jacket. Especially when he comments at the end on a sniper using casualties to draw people out. It also shows the coordination between armor and infantry during urban combat. Overall there's a bit too much focus on the past two decades and Iraq/Afghanistan.
Right! The classics need to be valued more. Would love to see FMJ in a really big cinema, too.
Fully agree, I would also like to see him comment on older urban warfare tactics
Well his 25 years of experience is in Iraq so...
@@HoneyKrisp69Vietnam and Iraq were about the same.
14:10I mean every fifth round is a tracer and fury definitely got close to that. Also those are mostly wooden or old type masonry. So an HE round that was prevalent in the load outs of WW2 tanks definitely would be doing more damage to those compared to shaped charge and the penetrator darts most modern tanks roll around with.
Thanks for being the one to point that out on here
I made the same point...a year later. 😂 Like I've seen the same rounds LIVE in person going down range and the recording on video and photos of it later, and video and photos make it look almost like a laser instead of the intermittant light you see in real life. It's the difference between the speed at which you can process information vs the speed at which a given camera can process the light. Higher speed cameras would have changed the appearance at an unnecessary cost to production.
I really like how, in not so many words, he implied. "People say the depiction of the Somalis was kind of gross considering all of the circumstances around this time." And he didn't say it in a way that implied he disagreed.
Amazing videos. These really give the raw thinking process that people like about the internet
You know he's an expert because he doesn't blink.
Nothing really to say, but I enjoyed this video. Thanks for making and sharing it.
Subtle drop of Pavlov's house one of the most iconic places in all of urban warfare.
A friend of mine was like a Marine Combat Engineer. He said most of his job was either clearing or creating obstacles.
Got a wall in the way: blast it.
Need an extra wall: blast it.
We blew up a lot of improvised munitions, too. -Army combat engineer
And I was hoping for some example from the Strike Back series.
Still, great commentary and analysis from what was chosen.
Came for The Raid. Was not disappointed.
You guys need to bring John back and have him assess the accuracy of Steven Seagal's films.
They better supply him with a lot of popcorn (and preferably his choice of strong drink), as compensation for inflicting that kind of punishment on a career soldier/analyst. :D
leave that to the wonder that is SpaceIce
😂😂😂
"We call that "cover"". God damn, one never stops learning...
Whats most important to learn is the difference between cover and concealment
@@silentfox8and that cars are NOT cover 😂
Great Video ! Big fan of Spencer and his urban warfare podcast
Some suggested if there is a follow up: Generation kills, Hurt Locker, Sicario, Band of brothers (Sainte Mère Église and river crossing parts especially)
Hurt Locker was bullshit, like The Wall. 2 of the dumbest "war movies" ever. Right up there with Delta Farce. They were so dumb I kept hoping it would get better but never did.
@SteveFreeman-v4d great insight Steven...now, try to highlight something positive instead of venting about what you dislike.
Surprised he didn't talk about the suppressors and how ridiculously quiet the movies portray them to be
Depends on the suppressors used. Mine is pretty quiet depending on the rifle/barrel length. With subsonic ammo its quiet enough you can hear the round hit 140 yd down range. Sbr would be louder, but they also CAN have suppressors that are not on the civilian market.
5:32 the pioneer tools on the Strykers are amazing for this reason. We can at least send a runner to fetch an axe from the Vics since they were a few hundred nesters from us hitting the objective. Or have someone grab it when we get dropped off at the VDO if we know we might need them. I remember one time we were doing EA Dev and one of our sister platoons were all struggling using their E tools while our dudes grabbed the pick and the shovel to help them out from the vics.
This is why I’m a huge proponent for very single US Army ground vehicle at least having an axe, a shovel, a sledge hammer and a pick as part of their basic load out for any patrol. Maybe add a pry bar and a halligan in that if you can.
I would concur. Being a combat engineer we usually had all that stuff if we were mechanized. If not...well M118A1 demolition blocks. 😂
Raid 1 & 2 are just on another level of action no other movie comes close to
In Iraq, we had a Scout in my unit that carried an Axe and when someone further up the CoC found out, they threatened him with an Article 15 if he didnt get rid of it lol. They didnt want us intimidating the locals or some other reason
A yes the axe is intimidatiob, not all the assault rifles, Granada launches and 50 cals lmao
@@RodrigoRodriguezowl Yeah, you see the silliness. But it seemed to have that effect anyway lol
I watched a clip with the sheriff of Bagdad were he said that you should absolutely use the mule kick. If the door is thin and you kick it as a front kick your leg will go straight through and you will be stuck in the door. He’s one of the most respected special forces out there
They should have shown more of the clip from Enemy at the Gates because he did "know" where the guy was, he did just get super lucky that in that blown out building he had a god ray of light coming down RIGHT where he needed it to reflect off his mirror at that vent. And sometimes Cat and mouse sniper fights do happen Carlos Hathcock did go sniper hunting and they certainly were looking for him.
Should have also included the sniper scene from the tv series Bodyguard where the two people are pinned down in a BMW. Very good scene I thought.
I need to make an effort to find and watch Bodyguard. I've seen a clip of that scene, which had great tension.
@@dakaodo it’s on Netflix
I feel like Mosul is underrated, it has reasonable tactics and an enthralling story and it takes place over the span of an afternoon. I feel like it's quite realistic but don't be a sucker and put an English dub, war situations in native tongue can really sell the scene
Steven Segal is the single greatest urban warfare expert on the planet. He actually taught Mr. Spencer at the Segal Urban Center and Kill School (SUCKS for short) Steven started SUCKS after his last straight to DVD academy award winning movie: Building Shooter 3.
I understand Mr Segal is so good at instructing his students he doesn't even have to get off his chair. It's not because he is old and fat.
"I've been an expert in urban warfare for 79 years" --Steven Seagal, probably
Cheap shots at deserving low-hanging fruit. I'll be here for it every time. :D
There’s another great example of “mouse holing” in Che Pt 1 where a small group of Che’s guys bust their way thru several houses to reach a church where a sniper was perched. Che also talks about it in his Reminiscences on the Cuban Revolution.
rant add: way back in afghan war, saw liveleaks vids on usa trrops under fire, so they rushed into a building and debated, then blew a hole to a side street. the sgt asked his men to cross. though none wanted to. so they deployed white smoke for the first few guys to cross...
The trick with urban warfare is; do you stand in the middle of the street exposed to gunfire, or do you huddle up next to walls and risk getting taken out by explosives?
To give credit to Fury, earlier on in the film, they specify the tracer round is one out of a specific number, I think it was 25 or so. The scene where the Germans are shooting ‘light sabers’ was probably just for the convenience of the audience.
I believe from my time doing MOUT every five rounds was a tracer round in the M240B, maybe it differs from different weapon systems.
It's 1:3-1:5 depending on weapon, but generally 1:5 or it'll burn out the barrel.
Should also add some clips from Ché. Awesome video
Glad he clarified what cover is
I wish he could react to Elite Squad (Tropa de Elite) which takes place in late 90s Rio favelas and is base on a book by a real life squad leader. The Battalion of Special Operations (BOPE) is known for being one of the most experienced, well-trained yet deadliest police unit in the world and the movie does a fantastic job portraying it.
I spoke with some Brazilian girls that emigrated to Austria and they told me that the movie is extremely accurate when it comes to the corruption, violence, etc.
Love this content!!
What they are doing with drones in Ukraine is insane. A $500 drone, a $200 bomb, a $14 release mechanism, and splat goes your $5M tank.
Can’t help but notice he said “most” things can’t see through steel…
He's right about the holes in the wall's growing up in Somalia i use to see a whole block of Street buildings with holes in the walls
I would’ve loved to see him go over the shootout scene in Heat
Mule kick was being taught as the way to enter for a number of years, so your body was behind the wall as you kicked. The way it's shown in the last movie was wrong, but in the h eat of battle, mistakes happen...even more when Hollywood gets involved hehehe
It really depends on the door. I kicked in a steel door, but know wooden doors that would survive the police battering ramms... Most doors are just a legal note, but some are really built to take hits.
In most movies I have watched the mule kick is shown with the soldier standing in front of the door and kicking backwards. The version that keeps the body in cover makes more sense to me.
I am not a soldier or veteran. I served in an ERT and learned my breaching with jaws of life, a Haligan or an axe. On the other side of the door nobody was shooting at us.
@@maxlutz3674if someone is on the other side, you want to see them, so you can shoot them. If you can't see then, but they see you kicking in the door, they can shoot you through the wall, or lay down fire through the doorway. Kill them before they kill you, pretty simple really.
Crossing the street is a nightmare. Also, I hate traffic circles. EFPs, Baghdad, the surge. IFYKYK.
Great video so nice to learn things and think about these things. I would have liked to know the score for Hurt Locker
The "laser" effect is just due to the speed of the rounds vs the speed of film. If you're there and see it live it looks different than the same scene captured on film, moving or still.
Nice video. Should have had him take a look at the extration scene from HEAT (1995)
Should have done the highway scene in Sicario.
Another great vid. Just ya know, he says M2 Fifty-cal, aka Browning M 2 Fifty Caliber machinegun. It is not M250 as named the chapter in the vid : ) (also then you show example vid of a soldier shooting FN MAG, not M2, but I just being an arse :) )
Mosul was such a fantastic movie
I wish he could review the entirety of Extraction and Extraction 2
Those "lazers" he was referring to in Fury were tracers every 3, or 5 rounds I forget. It was explained to Norman when he is first put in the tank.
His point is that in real life tracer rounds are not set that close to each other to the point that they are so frequent it looks like you are shooting lasers.
@Solar-td4fj usually every 3-8 rounds there is a tracer round that I've come across. So it's really not that uncommon, I've also come across quarter tracers, which is one every 5th round. If you're firing a weapon that's pumping out 850 rounds per minute, it definitely can look like that.
The Raid Redemption is possibly one of best action films ever made.
Nice content ❤
i am impressed the guy knows Dom of Pavlov House World War 2; this guy is for real!
Great analysis! I was hoping to see the final battle from The Kingdom since i had some issues with the FBI hiding behind cars when they very shooting with assault rifles at each other.
holyshit
I didn't expect the raid to get a 9 because it's mainly a flashy martial art movie
I guess those guys really did put in a lot of work, with a fraction of a Hollywood movie budget no less
If he liked the saving private ryan scene, someone should tell him to watch full metal jacket sniper scene.
There was a recent forgotten weapons video on that scene that showed its main flaw and its simply that the US snipers weapon is all wrong (specifically the optics he has, one of which wasn't issued to the army at all).
@cgi2002 i was referring to the scene where the kid sniper takes out multiple soldiers by waiting for them to help the injured soldier.
*Keep these up! This is why I'm subbed!*
Great, we were all wondering why you were
@gamecokben Glad I can relive some of the wonder.. also the comment wasn't for you.. as you don't work for the channel or probably at all.. they ask to tell them what content you like the most.. so they keep putting out content worth while.. 🤡
Pops is retired 18b. Heard cover vs. concealment in water gun fights when I was 5. I’m like pops plywood keeps me dry. He couldn’t turn it off.
I’d like to see him review the final gun fight scene in Heat
Man down is one of shia's bes performances, famtastic movie, anyone WITHOUT ptsd problems should see it
I remember in Iraq a boot put a 240 barrel on a wooden window seal. The weapon bounced all over the place. He definitely took care of the target.
I wish they would keep the move name listed somewhere while they are talking.
Yes me too
"Stay off the walls" is fuckin wild...
Walls with bullets just zipping across them ☠️
Also wish he'd review a few scenes of band of brothers & the 1988 movie Zero Option
Would of like to see him do 6 days , movie showing the sas raid on the Iranian embassy in London.
Idk but this was a lot of fun to watch!
An odd bit of film is from the U.S. Army returning to the Philippines ( not just a movie or show ). A soldier is standing in the street, firing at some target in a building. Not making the effort at safety.
I'm surprised to learn that modern sniper rifles are typically suppressed or silenced. I always read that anything that touches the rifle barrel interferes with the accuracy.
Mounting a suppressor to the barrel may affect where shots land but you just adjust that in your sight's zero because while the gun may now shoot a little different the suppressor stays on the gun and isn't changing shot to shot. Touching the barrel is not really the core issue, the issue is that you zero the gun under one set of conditions and anything that changes those conditions (such as putting pressure on the barrel where there wasn't during zeroing) will have an affect on the point of impact.
The can never touchrs the rifling of the barrel, what affects your accuracy the most is the fact that the bullet will have more time in an enclosed space where its being accelerated by burning gasses, giving the projectile a faster rate of speed which WILL affect accuracy but not usually in a negative way, you just have to account for added fps, but another way to mitigate that issue is to have 2 rifles
Should have showed Elite Squad. A movie from Brazil (tropa de elite in Portuguese) about the elite military police unit, BOPE, in rio de janeiro. Theres some good scenes in that one
The interesting thing in the battle in Fast Five is that they actually downplayed the kind of shootouts that happen in the rio favelas. Criminals in rio are some of the most heavily armed on the planet, packing RPGs, fifty cals and assault rifles. The issues is that most of these weapons are placed in the hands of drug-addled teenagers, and the drug lords even use under-ten kids as spotters, setting off fireworks to alert the rest of the troop where cops and enemies are coming from. The fighting is pure chaos, and most of the people who end up dying are literal children.
The Tropa de Elite films are probably good ones for this guy to review.
Facing the door to kick it is the best way to screw up your leg though. The mule kick is a lot less force but a lot less risk of injury for the kicker
Not showing a clip from Sicario is a big fail. Or perhaps that epic video Assange is in prison for...
Why would they review real footage in a series about movie & TV show clips?
@@xJeremySx bro what? The movie Sicario....
@@Mazupicua1 "Or perhaps that epic video Assange is in prison for..." The 2nd part of his comment was talking about the July 12, 2007 Baghdad airstrike footage
I loved Sicario. There is absolutely a place in this video for that one.
Does Sicario have much urban combat? The tightest fighting I remember is the border crossing ambush not sure if that qualifies as urban warfare or not.
React on Indan War Movies like Uri: The Surgical Strike, Shershah, etc.
And now I would like the instructors opinion on the Crapfest that is fury, one tank crew decimating an SS battalion.
Get this guy back
I wish he had mentioned something from the old german movie "stalingrad" which has alot of urban fighting scenes in it
The Stalingrad fight, he says didn't happen, true. But! The Russian female Sniper Lyudmila Pavlichenko aka Lady Death killed several enemy snipers in cat and mouse battles.
@09:08 That's not a quick reaction force... That's family.
I wish these were longer, I can tell they cut stuff they should at least put the uncut version somewhere.
In Mogadishu, TF Ranger got complacent. They had conducted so many successful raids, that they never changed up their playbook. Which allowed Aidid's men to plan successful countermeasures.
the fact that they included so many crappy movies is hilarious. The ambush scene in Clear and Present Danger is a great example of a successful urban ambush and ambush in The Devils Own would have been another great example to cite for this video.