The double names in a car might get confusing? Two Camerons for instance. Though let's be honest, the best one in my opinion was when David Parsons and David Parsons combined! Silly season's looking quite interesting, didn't know that there were so many interesting permutations. I had come across people saying that Kostecki was being linked to DJR but I didn't pay much attention to it. As for DJR themselves, I think the thing is that the drivers have actually been quite evenly matched over their time as teammates. Anton de Pasquale does have speed and as of Darwin last week he's won 8 times to Will Davison's 3, in poles he leads 16-11 and in podiums he leads 29-26. But de Pasquale has had 9 DNFs (and two DSQs and a DNS) to Davison's single DNF (which happened to come at Bathurst). And in a series which awards a lot of points for every single position that's pretty crucial. Their championship finishes bear this out as well: Anton de Pasquale: 2021: 6th 2022: 4th 2023: 8th 2024 as of Darwin: 8th Will Davison: 2021: 4th 2022: 5th 2023: 10th 2024 as of Darwin: 7th So who to keep? I don't know. I like both drivers (Davo's probably my favourite out of the entire grid) and I think they still offer quite a lot even though Davison's probably not got long left in his full-time career. They're both solid steerers, and you can make a good case for both to retain their drive, but do either of them have the x-factor that DJR have been missing driver-wise since Scott McLaughlin left? Not really, it looks like. To be fair though, not many drivers have that x-factor. What's happened with Zak Best? He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Is it mostly due to funding or might there be something else?
I think DJR has their x-factor driver in Kai Allen coming in, so a solid performer would be good for a year or two while he gets up to speed and then they can bring in the next driver. Thats my opinion anyway. And Zak Best, there must be something else going on there as his results have always been good, but he's jumped around a bit and even Tickford had the perfect opportunity to promote him (and I've heard he had a healthy budget) but they took Fraser over him.
About your predictions for the 2025 grid, I reckon your spot on with the Ford drivers who aren't locked in. Waters to Nascar or the Xfinity series, Anton to Tickford, Will stays at DJR. Monster Energy are going to want a big name driver, Anton has proven he is quick when in good machinery.
Love the grid girls uh Supercars and there should be more of it a la MotoGP... That Pizza Hut logo on the SP Tools motor must have been an afterthought surely... Yeah, like your thoughts on the 'interesting' silly season teams... Brodie needs to lose a bitter weight again by the looks of it.
Brodie has yo-yo'd a bit over the years. He was looking really good for a while there but has slipped a bit again. It doesn't really seem to affect his speed though
Not sure Cam will leave at the end of the year especially with all the Charter chat going in Nascar at the moment, wouldn't be surprised if monster gave him a pay rise to stay as well. Chaz will stay where he is. I think Charlie needs to give Frosty a gold watch and tell him its time to walk before he gets pushed and start bringing some young guys in. Brodie and Bieber will be a great combo at Petes next year and expect that team to do what erebus did in 22 and 23. It would be great top see a couple more cars on the grid with some young guys to get the ball rolling on the future but will never happen unfortunately
Thats my biggest disappointment with the current setup of only 24 cars, you get less teams taking a risk on a young gun. Having said that at least we have had Payne and Wood come in, plus next year at least Allen will be joining
After Darwin, both Golding and Murray could be in the mix for the enduros. They have some of the better codrivers and have shown a fair bit of speed of late.
You can easily see the 888 wildcard being in the top 10, but can't see it being outright. I think changing the co-driver rules will play a bit of a role during the day now
Frosty isn’t locked. This year is a contract year for him. As far as I know, Mostert also has a contract with WAU for next year. Courtney runs through to 2025 and it’s likely going to be his last full time year in 25. I can’t see Waters going to NASCAR. You need to perform to get the sponsors and so far, Cam hasn’t lit the world on fire like SVG or even Brown did. Kostecki and Waters NASCAR dream is going to be hard
Seton's have had three generations Bo Glenn and Aaron McLeod's Peter Ryan and Cameron And the Johnson or Brabhams could be next I believe there was only two Perkins Larry and Jack
What about Todd Hazelwood at Erebus? He did a great job in the 2 rounds he did. I haven't seen Jobe getting trophies in Super2, so I don't think he's ready for the step up yet. i think PremiAir and Erebus are the teams that will most likely see change. Brodie to PremiAir. Kai Allen must go somewhere. He's on the verge of making history. Some poor bugger has to miss out. It's unlikely that we'll see half the grid turned on its head just because they're off contract.
Todd did a great job, but my money is on Jobe and sometimes its hard to tell how good someone in Super2 is if they don't have a huge budget/right equipment. Its not like Brodie or Brown dominated Super2
Where do you get your info from? Chaz signed a long-term contract with WAU last year. This was reported by Supercars in October 2023. Chaz Mostert will remain with Walkinshaw Andretti United beyond 2023 after signing a long-term deal, the Ford team has announced. In a statement, WAU didn't specify the length of the deal, which it labelled “long-term” - all but confirming WAU will become Mostert's longest home in Supercars.
@@SupercarsTorque fair enough haha chaz is definitely locked in.. it would be ludicrous of WAU to claim a "long-term" renewal if it was only another year lol.
@@lukedeloop7284 You never know with contracts these days! I honestly just had Chaz down as contact up at the end of this year, which was probably an error from like 3 years ago, putting down 2024 instead of 2023 and not updating it at the end of last year.
I’d stick with Anton in the #11 And put Kai in car #17 DJR have to put more into ADP! He’s been the quickest driver in the Gen3 era between him and Will you take away the DNF Anton’s had through no fault of his own and he’s top five in the championship this year and he would have finished higher in the ten last year again removing the DNF he had through no fault of his own. If the team allowed Anton passed the #17 in Perth both races there’s easily a better result there! Car #11 was clearly faster and even on the Sunday in Darwin a better race result for the team went begging by not prioritising the faster car.
Its a real toss up that one. My leaning towards Davison is someone that is more consistent for Kai to work with. But then you could also offer him a lucrative enduro role and do the same thing while using Anton as a speed yardstick for Kai. See I'm arguing it both ways again!
Jett isn’t ready for main game respectfully. Needs two more years in super2 then he should do his main game apprenticeship away from DJR before he comes into the fold there maybe a wildcard with Jr Johnson his dad next year. That would be mint! 🫡 If he can get his hand in the door at MSR that would be bloody brilliant for Jett I think 🫡
@@SupercarsTorque Taking a break from Super 2 atm so hopefully sorts things out... Would need more experience before moving up and pressure from family name...
If Brodie leaves Erebus and Barry moves on without full team sale maybe they could get a female driver with sponsor backing and refresh the team image they have few female team members and owner so could try a new driver in one seat with LeBroc or Brodie if he does stay if other teams less interested after drama...
I hate the fact it takes "funding behind them". Imagine how good tge racing would be if the series wasn't full of dinosaurs and rich kids. "Davison" , Dave what have us DJR fans done to you? Lol
Its hard to tell who is missing out because they don't have funding behind them as they'd never get far in karts without funding. I think the key thing these days is that you don't really have anyone where Dad is just buying them a ride anymore now that Jack Smith is gone and its not like he was a plonker. Whats wrong with Davison? He's doing as good as Anton and you have Kai Allen coming in
@@SupercarsTorque Dave I want a full clean out. Allen will go well, but we need another. Will HAS been good, but his well past his best. Anton , I feel, lacks mongrel, in a dog fight. As for the other point, Macca?
@@shauntaylor9503 Who would you put in the second seat? And its not like the Jones are paying for that ride out of their own money, its always been funded by sponsors
The double names in a car might get confusing? Two Camerons for instance. Though let's be honest, the best one in my opinion was when David Parsons and David Parsons combined!
Silly season's looking quite interesting, didn't know that there were so many interesting permutations. I had come across people saying that Kostecki was being linked to DJR but I didn't pay much attention to it. As for DJR themselves, I think the thing is that the drivers have actually been quite evenly matched over their time as teammates. Anton de Pasquale does have speed and as of Darwin last week he's won 8 times to Will Davison's 3, in poles he leads 16-11 and in podiums he leads 29-26. But de Pasquale has had 9 DNFs (and two DSQs and a DNS) to Davison's single DNF (which happened to come at Bathurst). And in a series which awards a lot of points for every single position that's pretty crucial. Their championship finishes bear this out as well:
Anton de Pasquale:
2021: 6th
2022: 4th
2023: 8th
2024 as of Darwin: 8th
Will Davison:
2021: 4th
2022: 5th
2023: 10th
2024 as of Darwin: 7th
So who to keep? I don't know. I like both drivers (Davo's probably my favourite out of the entire grid) and I think they still offer quite a lot even though Davison's probably not got long left in his full-time career. They're both solid steerers, and you can make a good case for both to retain their drive, but do either of them have the x-factor that DJR have been missing driver-wise since Scott McLaughlin left? Not really, it looks like. To be fair though, not many drivers have that x-factor.
What's happened with Zak Best? He seems to have disappeared off the face of the earth. Is it mostly due to funding or might there be something else?
I think DJR has their x-factor driver in Kai Allen coming in, so a solid performer would be good for a year or two while he gets up to speed and then they can bring in the next driver. Thats my opinion anyway.
And Zak Best, there must be something else going on there as his results have always been good, but he's jumped around a bit and even Tickford had the perfect opportunity to promote him (and I've heard he had a healthy budget) but they took Fraser over him.
About your predictions for the 2025 grid, I reckon your spot on with the Ford drivers who aren't locked in. Waters to Nascar or the Xfinity series, Anton to Tickford, Will stays at DJR. Monster Energy are going to want a big name driver, Anton has proven he is quick when in good machinery.
I was expecting a lot more from Anton at DJR, but its very hard to judge him properly considering where the team has been at
You forgot Barry, Glenn and Aaron Seton as the other family with 3 family members. Great show
Yeah totally stuffed that one up. I recall as I said it, it didn't sound right, but it totally escaped my mind who the other ones were
i thought the sp tools car looked really good. i think your predictions are spot on
Its not that I don't like it, I just reckon it could be like 10% better and be awesome
Love the grid girls uh Supercars and there should be more of it a la MotoGP... That Pizza Hut logo on the SP Tools motor must have been an afterthought surely... Yeah, like your thoughts on the 'interesting' silly season teams... Brodie needs to lose a bitter weight again by the looks of it.
Brodie has yo-yo'd a bit over the years. He was looking really good for a while there but has slipped a bit again. It doesn't really seem to affect his speed though
All will be revealed in good time. Meanwhile, let's hope we get to enjoy some good racing.
Townsville next weekend which is usually good!
Not sure Cam will leave at the end of the year especially with all the Charter chat going in Nascar at the moment, wouldn't be surprised if monster gave him a pay rise to stay as well. Chaz will stay where he is. I think Charlie needs to give Frosty a gold watch and tell him its time to walk before he gets pushed and start bringing some young guys in. Brodie and Bieber will be a great combo at Petes next year and expect that team to do what erebus did in 22 and 23. It would be great top see a couple more cars on the grid with some young guys to get the ball rolling on the future but will never happen unfortunately
Thats my biggest disappointment with the current setup of only 24 cars, you get less teams taking a risk on a young gun. Having said that at least we have had Payne and Wood come in, plus next year at least Allen will be joining
After Darwin, both Golding and Murray could be in the mix for the enduros. They have some of the better codrivers and have shown a fair bit of speed of late.
You can easily see the 888 wildcard being in the top 10, but can't see it being outright. I think changing the co-driver rules will play a bit of a role during the day now
Frosty isn’t locked. This year is a contract year for him. As far as I know, Mostert also has a contract with WAU for next year. Courtney runs through to 2025 and it’s likely going to be his last full time year in 25.
I can’t see Waters going to NASCAR. You need to perform to get the sponsors and so far, Cam hasn’t lit the world on fire like SVG or even Brown did. Kostecki and Waters NASCAR dream is going to be hard
Its hard keeping track of all the "options" and "long term" contracts
And yeah, I think we will see Waters here for at least another year
Seton's have had three generations Bo Glenn and Aaron McLeod's Peter Ryan and Cameron
And the Johnson or Brabhams could be next I believe there was only two Perkins Larry and Jack
You are correct, it was the Seton's, the 3 Perkins' were in "the great race" with the grandpa only running at Phillip Island, not Bathurst.
If Heimgartner doesn't stay at BJR look for him in car 6 at Tickford when Cam goes to Nascar next year
I just can't see Heimy moving
@@SupercarsTorque It's happened before. He was pretty content at Kelly Racing then at the last minute went to BJR.
@@beyondcitylimits There was an ownership change at the Kelly's though
What about Todd Hazelwood at Erebus? He did a great job in the 2 rounds he did. I haven't seen Jobe getting trophies in Super2, so I don't think he's ready for the step up yet. i think PremiAir and Erebus are the teams that will most likely see change. Brodie to PremiAir. Kai Allen must go somewhere. He's on the verge of making history. Some poor bugger has to miss out. It's unlikely that we'll see half the grid turned on its head just because they're off contract.
Todd did a great job, but my money is on Jobe and sometimes its hard to tell how good someone in Super2 is if they don't have a huge budget/right equipment. Its not like Brodie or Brown dominated Super2
@@SupercarsTorque Fair enough. I just think that Erebus could do with instant results at the moment, and Todd would be more likely to deliver.
@@Mabeanie he's currently equal with Brodie in the championship!
@@SupercarsTorque He was 10th in the championship after Albert Park.
Where do you get your info from? Chaz signed a long-term contract with WAU last year. This was reported by Supercars in October 2023.
Chaz Mostert will remain with Walkinshaw Andretti United beyond 2023 after signing a long-term deal, the Ford team has announced. In a statement, WAU didn't specify the length of the deal, which it labelled “long-term” - all but confirming WAU will become Mostert's longest home in Supercars.
I just keep notes, which sometimes I don't update properly, hence the disclaimers
@@SupercarsTorque fair enough haha chaz is definitely locked in.. it would be ludicrous of WAU to claim a "long-term" renewal if it was only another year lol.
@@lukedeloop7284 You never know with contracts these days! I honestly just had Chaz down as contact up at the end of this year, which was probably an error from like 3 years ago, putting down 2024 instead of 2023 and not updating it at the end of last year.
still think brodie and kai into djr could be a shout
Anything is possible right now, but right now I think there is more potential at PremiAir
Barry Ryan is all but confirmed to have left erebus. By the sounds of it, Betty bought him out.
By today's article he is still CEO...
Expensive gift?
Erebus itself not for sale by sounds of it RECs cars and parts.. They maybe go back to GT or Nascar projects Ryan has mentioned doing 5 year stint...
Zak Best maybe good fit at BJR needs a drive somewhere after finishing runner up in Super 2...
I just can't see them shuffling one of the current guys for him (unless Middy's/Pizza Hut move on and they quickly need funding)
I’d stick with Anton in the #11
And put Kai in car #17
DJR have to put more into ADP! He’s been the quickest driver in the Gen3 era between him and Will you take away the DNF Anton’s had through no fault of his own and he’s top five in the championship this year and he would have finished higher in the ten last year again removing the DNF he had through no fault of his own.
If the team allowed Anton passed the #17 in Perth both races there’s easily a better result there! Car #11 was clearly faster and even on the Sunday in Darwin a better race result for the team went begging by not prioritising the faster car.
Its a real toss up that one. My leaning towards Davison is someone that is more consistent for Kai to work with. But then you could also offer him a lucrative enduro role and do the same thing while using Anton as a speed yardstick for Kai. See I'm arguing it both ways again!
Jett Johnson to car 17 Kai Allen car 11
Jett isn’t ready for main game respectfully. Needs two more years in super2 then he should do his main game apprenticeship away from DJR before he comes into the fold there maybe a wildcard with Jr Johnson his dad next year. That would be mint! 🫡
If he can get his hand in the door at MSR that would be bloody brilliant for Jett I think 🫡
Jett and Will Power Wildcard would be good...
I don't think Jett is eligible for a superlicence for starters
@@SupercarsTorque Taking a break from Super 2 atm so hopefully sorts things out... Would need more experience before moving up and pressure from family name...
Waters won't rush into Nascar... Maybe 2026 if he gets championship and better results in Wildcards in US...
I think there is outside factors slowing his Nascar progre$$
@@SupercarsTorque He impressed them at RFK... But beyond wildcards he would have to do Trucks and some Xfinity as well next year...
If Brodie leaves Erebus and Barry moves on without full team sale maybe they could get a female driver with sponsor backing and refresh the team image they have few female team members and owner so could try a new driver in one seat with LeBroc or Brodie if he does stay if other teams less interested after drama...
Unfortunately there isn't any females ready to go currently (other than Simona)
Sounds like buyer was interested in team with Brodie attached from article so looks like he is leaving they lost interest...
I hate the fact it takes "funding behind them". Imagine how good tge racing would be if the series wasn't full of dinosaurs and rich kids. "Davison" , Dave what have us DJR fans done to you? Lol
That has literally been the entirety of Motorsport. The Petty family worked it out when nascar started. I hate that it’s the fact, but it is.
Its hard to tell who is missing out because they don't have funding behind them as they'd never get far in karts without funding. I think the key thing these days is that you don't really have anyone where Dad is just buying them a ride anymore now that Jack Smith is gone and its not like he was a plonker.
Whats wrong with Davison? He's doing as good as Anton and you have Kai Allen coming in
@@SupercarsTorque Dave I want a full clean out. Allen will go well, but we need another. Will HAS been good, but his well past his best. Anton , I feel, lacks mongrel, in a dog fight. As for the other point, Macca?
@@shauntaylor9503 Who would you put in the second seat?
And its not like the Jones are paying for that ride out of their own money, its always been funded by sponsors
@@shauntaylor9503ADP always overrated.