EA Sports WRC Review │ This Is The Truth - Deal With It ☕
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- I review EA Sports WRC and let you know if it's worth getting and what's good and what's bad about this title. If you are fed up with the flood of anodyne, non-critical tripe surrounding this game, then you will probably enjoy this video that I tailor-made for intellectually high-class tea drinkers and people able to look at video games in a somewhat critical manor.
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I think one of the biggest shames is that the fantastic Kylotonn games and their brilliant stages have now just been forgotten and were ignored by so many of the racing playerbase at the time.
Yep. Once the kinks got worked out of generations, it is fantastic, and scales equally well to full rigs (motion, gforces, wind, dashes, triples, 4K). I wondered whether EA Rally meant I would have two rally games to play. Not at this point!
.. the kinks never got worked out of generations though?? I raised hell on twitter and reddit like many others regarding:
1. throttle bug (unresponsive and 0 throttle below 30-40% pedal/trigger actuation)
2. clutch does not actuate unless held for 1-2 seconds on controller
3. rain braking is BAD. rain stages look downright TERRIBLE (no transparency in rain, appears shiny/white)
4. boost bug, nuff said
5. disgraceful sound design ( engines/gravel effects)
6. Button mapping/audio settings reset (controller/wheel presets reset constantly too) ps5
Many Many people have complained about these issues and you know what they did? They pulled the plug on supporting the game after like a year of bullshit updates. The gameplay was fun, but all the bugs I ran into genuinely ruined my experience. I particularly enjoy time trial leaderboards which were unreliable at best given the bugs mentioned above. Lost allllll my hope in the devs of generations. wrc 23 is muchhhhhh better so far. @@netlawman2001
I totally agree… the stages in WRC Generations are just so much more fun and not monotonous. The handling model in WRC Generations might not be what some people would say is “realistic”, but you really felt like you were making the car dance around the bends… and the single player career mode was good and engaging too.
I also feel like we’ve lost out… it would’ve been better to keep Kyloton on the WRC licence, and then had Dirt Rally 3.0 (this game) as an alternative…
only 9 and 10 were fantastic rest were garbage.
@@RoqueMeister generations is fantastic. I have only ever used 10 and generations. I prefer G.
The best thing to come out of this game is that I’m playing Dirt Rally 2 again and loving it
😂 Good one
Jo me too... was running ea wrc for 1 hr than i refund and installed dr 2 again..
@@ItsMe-yg4yiyou just described exactly what I did
Im going to reinstall DR1 and keep y DR2...
eaWRC will be bought later when bugs ironed out
I downloaded Richard Burns rally for free with all the mods and my goodness, I can't stop playing it even with its ancient graphics lol
Great video. Are we really going to sit here and pretend this has a anything on WRC Generations? Generations is dog walking this game. All the bullying from 2.0 fans all of this time. That smug, “ you’ll see how it’s really done” attitude all of this time, for this?
I've been off road racing for over a decade now. I started when I was 12. We don't do rally but it's very similar in a lot of ways. We race around closed off roads through the forests and some street circuits. My current weapon of choice is a Subaru BRZ rwd but I think calling it a Subaru at this point is a stretch lmao. Before then I raced an awd dodge challenger that I unfortunately wrapped around a tree mid race.
I only bring all that up because I feel like folks in the racing community like to know your experience before giving your opinions.
With that being said the first thing I noticed about this game is how authentic the handling feels. It feels like the tires actually bite into the gravel and I'm not sliding around on ice. In real life you have significantly more grip than you think and sliding through corners is an advanced technique that takes years of practice. That snapping forward thing you're talking about is a real life thing. Cars aren't meant to slide. The aero dynamics of the car want to make it go straight. If you counter steer too hard in a slide you'll snap forward. Especially in gravel and pavement. The opposite of that is if you over steer you'll loose the rear end. You need to find the sweet spot to hold the slide and counter steer when you want to straighten out. The reason this feels weird to you is because dr1 and 2 feel like the tires do absolutely nothing and slide over the gravel like it's ice. In this game I use genuine racing techniques. In dirt rally I can just throw the car around like it means nothing.
Also the handbrake in this game feels very realistic. Whenever you full on lock your wheels your car instantly becomes un predictable. You should avoid using it at all times. Relying on it is a sign of an amateur driver. Hand brake turning is also slowing 9 times outta 10 than flowing through the corner. Drifting is for showing off, sliding is for racing.
Other than the performance of the game being shit at launch, I'd say everything else you bring up is matter of opinion. But thats just the nature of a game review.
If you wanna play a fun video game then go for dirt rally games. If you want to play an authentic off road game then play this....or beam ng 😁
@@projectgg6730 I agree.
The honesty of Gamermuscle is why I always wait for his reviews. Feeling the same thing about the game.
I'm feeling the complete opposite 😅
Yea, he seem to be one of the most fair reviewers out there. Obviously you will not always agree with him, but I tend to have similar opinions and views as him.
@@bernardoberner4 How much did EA pay you to be this dishonest : ) : ) : )
unpopular opinion, DR2.0 stages were abysmal, bland and soulless... but the graphical fidelity and effects pulled it through. this has better stages than DR2.0, but far worse stages than WRC Generations. Kt racing nailed stages, codemasters with all their money and prowess and even with this license cant seem to pull a decent one out of their ass. and now, ea sports wrc has the most flat, boring, blurry graphics i've seen in a racing game in 10 years and its very obvious how bad these stages suck. yes the game stutters, but that can be patched in, my problem is that the game is fundamentally worse than the last 4 rally games i've played in every single possible way. EA crunch, and deadlines fucked this game. Hopefully they afford codemasters the time they need to pull this one through, because as of right now... it's FUCKING EMBARRASSING. 2024 is a fucking month away.
I'd say Dr1 and 2 still generally have more convincing stages than this, visually, but not in size but Dr1 is basically 10yrs old...
And agree kt Wrc nailed the details I think I was one of the few channels really pumped by how nice the stages looked.
I love detailed off road tracks that u get in kt Wrc, RBR mods AC mods.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Just curious, did you try our Gabiria-Legazpi stage in RBR?
Aside from the performance and stuttering, the biggest problem for me is there is just too much tyre grip. In hairpins and tight turns the gravel feels like slightly slippy tarmac. You can break the rear end grip but it very aggressively regains grip again, there isn’t enough progression in the loss and re-acquisition of grip.
exactly. ironically its the equal but opposite problem dirt rally 2.0 had. i feel like the physics for that were designed for gravel then adapted for tarmac, and for this game they were designed for tarmac then adapted for gravel.
since the most exciting and differentiating thing about rally is sliding around on gravel, i will take the former over the latter anyday.
To add to that, the handbrake behavior is very strange. No pendulum effect, just like DR2 but even worst cuz of high grip levels.
they prob released the alpha handling on accident lmao
Hmmm... maybe learn to drive then??? Or maybe learn to tune a rally car to be aggressive and to oversteer and powerslide it??? You know... maybe in a realistic rally game you should drive realistically like a rally car should be driven???
Just saying... cause unlike every dumbass in this comment sections I do know how to drive a rally car and I do powerslide my car any time I want and it doesn't regain grip until I want it to... hmmm... maybe I'm special??? Oh wait... I know how to tune and fucking DRIVE the car to do all those things...
do the words THROTTLE MANAGEMENT and WHEEL MANAGEMENT in a hairpin turn mean ANYTHING to you???
people complain about everything and don't bother to think if they're doing things right or not... stupidity knows no boundaries in 2023...
@@socks2441 It's literally the same gravel physics as DR2, maybe with some slight tweaks to reduce grip in some scenarios. Go set Traxion's recommended FFB settings, and then tweak from there. The FFB is having a disproportionate impact on people's impression of the physics in WRC
The insta grip is very noticeable on 24:52 and 25:32. The funny part is that the old WRC's were always trashed because of poor performance and stuttering, yet, now we see some reviewers minimizing the same issues. The sad state of sim racing in 2023.
Its noticeable on so many instances through the video its honestly hard to watch.
Not just the grip, but the inertia of the car is all wrong, sliding of the gravel track going 140 and car is dropping speed faster than an F1 car would with slicks on pure racetrack.
Awful.
I think its a disgrace that the state of modern sim racing games are at in 2023 when surely they know that most sim racers are now spending thousands on racing equipment to play these games..
Looking at the last sim exbo the equipment thats out and been out and due out is lightyears ahead of most iff all racing titles...
Im shocked that codemasters/ EA have taken the easy way and ripped us off knowing were all sim racing junkies and sold us mario cart disguised as dirt rally....
I wonder how they will dangle the carrot next year to fool us into believing were getting dirtrally????.
Thank you. After 4 hours on a really high end system, I wondered why do many reviews portray a different (I.e. glowing) experience. Sound aside, and ignoring issues like stuttering that will get fixed, the design is dismal. I second all your observations. I would add that they picked “dusty tan” as the color of all road surfaces - tarmac or dirt or gravel, new or old road. In addition the environment feels like a 3D computer graphics model mated with a water color painting from the 1800’s. We have the haze that prevails everywhere and under almost all weather conditions and time of day. It took a while for the kinks to get worked out of WRCG, but other than for multi-player and sound, WRCG is far more immersive, fun, exciting, and detailed.
Spot on on the colours. So many different vibrant locations around nearly all continents and in minds of CodEmAsters they all have the same water paint dulled colours, exactly... Jeez it's depressing to find out Chile, Kenya, Greece and Indonesia all have the same ground and vegetation colours 😂
Yes, even just looking at videos, the tracks have a very different feel and look to them then the ones from Kylotonn. The tracks from Kyloton felt real, diverse, alive and just more pleasing. With this game, you can easily see the repitition of the assets. And with rally games, it's all about the tracks and their environments.
After trying this...
I'm now even more convinced that Dirt 2.0 is the best rally game ever made!
I don't always agree with you, GM, but this time we are in complete agreement. It looks worse, plays worse, and performs worse than DR2.0, and is quite frankly a disappointment.
Also what has been highlighted to me through other WRC reviews from the "simfluencer" populous, is that they appear to be more interested in keeping those pre-release keys flowing rather than actually doing their job and telling us the truth.
Yeah, noticed that too, other channels blatantly lie straight to our face .. Probably paid to say good things! I unsubed from many channels.. Why would anyone waste his time listening to scammers and liars who want to manipulate you!
100%
Double 100%
@@IK47-d2li did unsub as well, as Lawrence was crying a lot when i wrote that this game is trash, and he was payed 😂 fck them 😂
My biggest gripe is that the stages are just boring. Like, every once in a while you'll go through a small town or something, and it's like cool, but then you go back to the barren wastelands that is Codemaster stage design. The attention to detail just isn't there. There is no character to these stages and the immersion factor is low. The level of detail at @20:37 for that section of the Japan stage is how the whole game should have been. So just like the AI, the quality consistency is all over the place. I honestly had the feeling this would be state of the game pre launch when I saw the price tag. Not even a full price game tells me they didn't even have much hope in it or that theyre gonna rely on microtransactions in the future.
Edit: I posted this comment right before you got to the stage design and yes, I agree lmao
I agree, A disappointment and downgrade from Dirt Rally 2 in every way. They should have stuck with the ego engine and focused all their time and effort on improving physics and FFB. The ego engine looked and sounded beautiful and ran like a dream on a mid-range pc. All anyone wanted was an improved Dirt 2.0 with some new locations. What we got was a wet fart.
Agreed
I Agree as well why not keep a good base and improve the feeling
Ego engine can't do the long stages nessercary for a licenced wrc game. That's why they changed.
tell me you havent played the game without telling me you have played the game
@@didrikz5585 I agree with every point and played the game 🤦🏼♂️
The first honest review I’ve seen of this game. Thank You!
This is the first review which doesn't seem to be sponsored by EA.
Despite being an RBR modder (creating stages), I understand arcade / simcade games have their place on the market, so I am not going to hate it for how simplified it is in many ways. But as one who have some idea about what's possible with the current hw & sw, I find ridiculous how such big companies with all that budget and years of development can produce such indie-like game, with basic flaws like non movable traffic signs...
The release was either super rushed, or they simply didn't care because they knew people will buy it anyway thanks to that ridiculous amount of sponsored reviews and the fact it's gonna be the only modern rally game for some time.
Bro nowadays it's very difficult to find a trustworthy reviewer, many are just paid idiots who repeat the same script over and over again.. Sad times..
Yh, they spend more on marketing than dev.
You nailed it on multiple points. Probably both the rush and no care parts are equally true, especially since, like you said, they know well theyr are as of now the only rally game in tge market. Which basically means it's only downhill from here. This is what monopoly will always be, when you have no competition you can produce shit and rake in money anyway. People just need to snap out of it, since video games are at least non-necessary products to buy from monopolistic corporations
Sad but true mate.
Games are supposed to be fun, this isn't a simulator. It is so much fun. It's got amazing audio, amazing handling _on a controller_ (i can't afford a wheel), amazing stages, good graphics, a really good selection of cars and personally i haven't had huge performance issues, just a shader compilation stutter when driving a stage for the first time. I friggin' love this game.
The best word that sums it up for me is “safe”. To a ridiculous degree. They were so focused on “not alienating potential customers” they forgot to make a good game. Imagine Burns had had that attitude! RBR would have been pointless trash, but with risk taking and NOT compromising, Warthog made a masterpiece. Yes, EA WRC is hyper safe and Corporate. Without a doubt.
100 % agree on the stages lacking character
Great review. I ended up buying Dirt Rally 2.0 instead of WRC, because in the 5 hour trial i couldn't zoom into the game and felt it was a simple arcade game and not a drivingexperience. I played DR2 a lot on Xbox before i got a pc and now with full content and the better graphics etc. it just came to life again. DR2 is still the king for me.
I do agree the tracks look artificial.There is a huge difference between track and non track. And that they don't look like the location they are supposed to.
I am really disappointed by 1) the lack of innovation for the rallying. Yes, we get a car builder that seems awesome, but the races feel really dated. No random events, no unexpected failures, animals crossing (kenya is a waste for that!), super boring co pilot...
2) How can they mess up difficulty in a rally game so often??? WRC 10 was terrible, V-rally 4 the same, and this one the same :/
Dirt Rally 2.0 came out 4/5 years ago
Dirt Rally came out 8/9 years ago
Feels like those games came out yesterday...
visually it feels like they came out yesterday too when compared to the new wrc games graphics, lol. they look (and perform) incredibly for 4-9 year old games.
This review is bang on. I knew within 20 mins of messing around with the settings and trying to play. The problems ahead of me were not worth it and refunded. Not acceptable on release.
Totally agree with the snapness while drifting or handbraking. The surface of the stages are worse than DR 2.0 but better than WRC Generations, it should be like real surfaces according to John Amstrong. And I am also missing the random events, I wanna see DNF cars and all other stuff from DR 2.0. I'm having fun, but at the moment it needs a lot or patches. I believe the titel is launched sooner than it supposed to due license and contract with the WRC Promoter or something.
Yea, looks alright but I don't see a reason to buy this in its current state. Feels a bit soulless tbh, the sounds are amazing but thats about it.
I dont believe a word out of that dull looking Armstrong dude who gets paid to talk. Realistic 😂
The story of game development for a few years now. Boards setting ureasonable deadlines for a fast cash out and developers loosing their sanity to have a "playbable" game on the rushed realease date 😆
ive seen what feels like thousands of reviews. all mindlessly praising the game, ignoring the flaws you can even see clearly just watching gameplay let alone actually being the one playing it.
its good to see someone do an honest review that points out all the same things i have issues with.
Is it bad I could tell by watching all the ‘hyped’ pre release videos, that the driving would suck. I was like why aren’t these people sliding? Why aren’t they spinning out some? Why do all the stages look so dull? UA-cam used to be the place to go for reviews, the sellout and paid promos then lying about needs to stop. Thanks GM for sticking to you guns.
The promo campaign for this game is really eye opening for me. I have unsubscribed from so many youtubers ...
Yeah it is really sickening. The clickbait thumbnails showing everyone's reaction mug 😲😲is another subject lol. People just be honest. Its that simple..... or is it? @@jendabekCZ
@@jendabekCZyeah me too, it's unbelievable how many UA-camrs are willing to blatantly lie and manipulate gamers into thinking this is a good game! Just disgusting..
@@Username_Invalida lot of people have no problem selling their soul for some quick buck.. Sad times.. Already unsubed from many channels..
@@IK47-d2l The difference between critics vs Steam score speaks for itself. Currently 8-9/10 vs 6.3/10.
Ok so another fundamentally broken hit and run cash grab from EA, with no real hope of meaningful patches.
the roads are flat. there is no convex shape to them like real roads for drainage. i guess that would have made the game too hard for casual players as it may add to the 'magnetized to walls' effect.
there are also not enough bumps, not enough diversity to the surfaces, not enough on camber or off camber corners. not enough uphills and downhills.
it all just feels very... flat.
I think we should stop buying unfinished games, i tryed 5 times to play this game but everything is just terrible, the Ffb, the stearing, physics, grafics, performance. Not even Nvidia has a driver support for this game. The smart thing to do is wait for fixes and try later.
I run this game on 4090 and 7950x3d and still very choppy experience.
I didn't, i never get a game on release, dont just say it. 😉
WTF CODIES WTF! NO TELEMETRY EVEN AND SHADER COMP. For a company been in the game industry as long as Codemasters ie micromachines I can't wrap my head around it....... why!?!
Thanks for the honest review! So many reviewers these days aren’t honest enough anymore. They give bad games a pass. Probably, because they got the game for free and feel obligated to say nice things about it. We just want the truth!
We should unsub from dishonest UA-camrs
@@IK47-d2l I do.
What if this isn’t the truth?
Got the game about 1 month ago, and had 0 stuttering or performance problems. I enjoy it very much, and like the handling better then in dr 2.0. Still RBR is the better sim, but wrc is the better game. (My System: 7800x3d, 32gb ram, rtx 4080)
Wow! A reviewer giving a game, he judged to be average, 5/10! I'm utterly shocked by this display of common sense. It became standard to rate "mediocre" products 7/10.
The distant forest on stage presented since 26:46 minutes looks like from a 2010 game.
Let's be real, EA stamped their name on it hard, so we knew it was gonna be a step down into arcade for the masses, since the ONLY thing they care about is their bottom line
how you can tell it is arcade?have you driven many Wrc cars or just being on RBR wagon?😊
@@michalbajnar889 You're not trying too suggest it's not an arcade/simcade title are you? If you are then clearly you lick EAs ....... CM did a great job with DR1, a very good job with DR2 and EVERYONE that isn't being paid has said this is watered down even further. EA don't do simulation they do sales. The Devs more than have the capability too create a full sim but it won't sell nearly as many copies, so what's the solution? Make it accessible, how? Make it less Simulation based. Its not rocket science mate
In short... I concur.
It's the first time I've pre-ordered a game, as I felt it was reasonably priced for an upgraded & modernisised Dirt Rally 2.0, with official WRC content, but wow, this EA WRC game is a major disappointmen!
The extremely poor performance & graphics are shocking in 2023. I can't see how the poor UX with navigation & input bugs got passed devs or even soulless marketeers. It's clearly been designed by committee, and not for even mildly interested rally/motorsports fans.
I can see this title being slashed to €20 in early 2024... and it maybe will be worth it then.
I never rated the "opinions" of content-creators too highly before, but the pre-release content from other mainstream youtubers for this game is another nail in the coffin for impartial commentary and credibility. I'm talking here about people I can tell were once real motorsports fans... not just the insta-ghouls or twitch-twats!
Having to change car setups to fix a garbage physics engine is unacceptable. Thx JW.
yeah, and even if you can fix the physics with setups, you cannot compete in leaderboards because they dont allow custom setups. plus even if you can, you are the only one using the more realistic, difficult 'slower' setup/ physics. so you will not be able to be competitive.
the stuttering and framerate issues are literally because of denuevo but hey if people keep buying into this crap and they will keep giving us shit like this .
Hey man
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing imagine seeing you here lol
@FatswellSmart I have been hearing so much about this review from gamer muscle, someone even called me the American gamer muscle so I felt obligated to watch it.
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing everyone else on youtube appear to be either paid ea (or moza) shills or just have extremely low expectations from a purported rally sim in 2023 (pretty car go vroom). the latter are those same people who get big mad over any mention of the goated RBR lol. it's good to have honest reviews, it's a shame so many greats have fallen. and don't get me started on the actual wrc's driver reviews i mean ffs lol they must think we are all potatoes or something lol.
When creating custom rally and enabling track degradation the game transforms totally, to the better.
I believe ppl are judging the tracks when playing only time trials. In time trial the tracks are smooth, no degradation.
I was running RBR on triple screens with head tracking a Decade ago?! geez, time flies. Loved the physics maps that were attached to the textures, you could have everything from small ripples to big braking bumps, all defined by a text file linked to a texture =P
I don't think RBR has proper triple screen though does it? It's stretched like in DR2.0.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 You need mods to be able to play it like that.
Honestly based on everything you said, even for a hardcore rally game fan, it isn’t worth a buy. Why would you buy something to that is worse than what you already have just because it is new? This mentality is part of why we can’t have nice things anymore.
I agree
Because with rally if you have new locations even if they are not the best it can still be fun to play through.
Like a lower quality pool table or lower quality bowling ring or dar board and darts. They might be worse than older or just better tables locations but could still be fun enough to use for X entry fee.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Yeah I understand you can have fun with things either way. If you have fun with it, I'm glad if you paid for it so it wasn't a total waste. But I think as consumers, we need to have some restraint as a whole so that we can show the companies producing these products that if they put out an unfinished product or a product that isn't any better than one they already sold us, we won't buy it.
PS5 owner here , my pc couldn't handle this unfortunately.
Pretty much everything you have said is true on ps5 version too , apart from game crashes which I've had none of .
Unfortunately we are all paying to be beta testers these days which is fine with developers like Rieza for instance because you know they will stick with it , will ea stick with this long enough.
I think we are not even beta testers, because the performance issues and graphics will never even be fixed lol
14:20 thats a negative, not a positve to me. i want to be punished for leaving the track, even if its just going wide.
in real really they dont remove boulders from the sides of tracks, road signs etc, its a real road, it has these things. its only a rally track a tiny percentage of the time. the rest of the time its a public road.
F1's "reviews" were very similar where all the EA content creators mentioning no negatives. WRC is a big disappointment for most people as you can see from the Steam reviews.
I held out absolutely zero hope for this series. RBR is all I need honestly, its so perfect. and I only came to RBR after being stubbornly resistant for years!
my goodness the graphics are quite flat and dull too
Poor lad.... had to go through WRC to actually make an honest review of this "meh".
Went back to Dirt Rally 1 and 2... smiled ear to ear.. EA appears to be a warning logo nowadays...
Finnally a Truly realistic review of this game.
I wanted to thank you for your honesty
Keep on the good work!
I did notice that all the footage shown in the video is from driving in time trial mode or playing another mode with very light surface degradation. Is that correct?
When you go into quick play solo (or championship or some others) and select your stage etc. there, you also have the option to chose the level of degradation you want.
If you do that and set it to maximum, it just transforms the stages and it really becomes a lot more enjoyable to drive.
No all from single player , have done 20 hours or so of it.
ah, another one of those stupid EA creators who have to thank EA every 2 mins for giving them a free key
@@GamerMuscleVideos Have you had a gravel stage where the surface degradation is on maximum by any chance?
Hope you don't mind me adding a bit more in regards to the handling itself.
I think the physics are in a good place generally speaking. WAIT! Continue reading please. Haha
There are two elements though I'd like them to work on more. The suspension for cars that aren't Rally3, Rally2 or Rally1 is a bit too forgiving. The other thing is what you mentioned as well where you start sliding the car but it then regains grip very quickly/aggressively. That's something which is really noticeable on tarmac (at least for me). You can work around it to a certain degree with the setup of the car such as adjusting the diffs in order to not make the rear end break out so abruptly. However, in a RWD car especially, but also FWD ones, it's not possible to have that natural throttle controlled slide. That's primarily down to the way torque based slip works in the game. I've actually discussed this in particular with Jon Armstrong, the ERC3 champion that's also a game developer for this title as you are aware of. If they can sort out the suspension in general, especially for the older cars, and the torque based slip issues on tarmac, I think the physics would be pretty spot on. Gravel to me feels really good, especially when the surface deg is set at maximum and tarmac is OK but mainly needs adjustments in the torque based slip department.
@@IK47-d2l well, you can think that if you like though you don't know how or what my involvement is...
EA should never be trusted with a game at this point, they’ve consistently shown they don’t value consumers or have any regard for the product they sell
I'm just a simple older guy from East Texas and my friend you need to be adding a shot of moonshine to your tea, do this and the game is a 9 out of 10 stars. So put on your cowboy hat add a stiff shot of shine to your tea and enjoy my friend.
Sadly I'm already cognitively impaired and it didn't help :(
The game feels sped up. It's like you're diving at 1.25x all of the time
The footage is definitely sped up. I'm not sure why he doesn't mention it.
Spot on review. I was exactly having the same feeling. Its like you said, we got no other new rally game, so we buy it anyway. The driving is fun, but it could have been so much better.
No we don't buy it anyway, if you keep buying garbage games, you help the devs keep lowering quality
@@IK47-d2lIt's far from garbage.
Just needs patches for framerate and graphics.
@@IK47-d2l it isn't that bad, I bought it and enjoyed it, if it didn't have DRM I would have pirated it
Couldn’t feel 1 rut in the gravel feels like I’m driving a hovercraft
You are, of course, right about everything GM. The one great thing about the game is it's £40. That papers over a lot of cracks for me. BUT ...
Things that annoy me - many sections of landscapes look like they're from a 15 year old game - a hillside with trees looking like they're a placeholder rough cut and paste first attempt they forgot to go back and finish. The over exposure of the roads as seen from inside the car is staggeringly bad. Why is there no option where you could drive any stage at different times of the day instead of the time trial midday fixed option when the stark lighting shows up the shoddy graphics in places?
I don't get a real sense of place from any of the tracks, there are not enough random visual elements on stages as there would be in real life - it all seems be to a formula, like the stages were procedurally generated by a non creative AI.
I do enjoy the game somewhat, but all the time I'm thinking about the sub-par handling, the "unfinished" graphics in some stages and the poor optimisation.
Please Codemasters can you finish the game soon and patch the hell out of it, you could so easily have had the best rally game ever on your hands, you still can with a little polish, care and professionalism.
Fully agree with you.
Mexico looks horrific while Chile is stunning.
Very mixed bag graphically.
Obviously framerate issues abound but I love the locations and I'm enjoying the career.
It absolutely feels like it needed 6 more months though.
I'm sure when the patches come all will be well.
I'm addicted to it though.
That completely static dashboard looks ridiculous 😂😂
Couldn't agree with you more on track surface. Take Finland, it feels like someone has gone round the tracks with a steam roller and flattend them all out where as in Dirt Rally 2.0 the surface is trying to kill you with all the lumps and bumps. Kenya in this game is much more like it though surface wise I wish all the off road tracks were more like that.
I couldn’t desagree more with you. I really like the game. The cars have a lot of personality and the physics are great in this game. I only play iRacing and Richard burns btw. Refreshing rally game in 2023
It feels like the handling is set up to make controller handling easier. Maybe they could do two handling defaults like PCars2 - Stable for controllers and loose for wheels.
It seems like controller users always ruin it for wheel users lmao
@@anthonyt1t5 and wheel users always ruin it for controller users.
I refunded it half an hour ago. Such a dissapointment, Ill stick to Dirt 2 for now.
Finally an honest review.
No it's "true review" I was one of if the first simracing channel titling things as "honest review" mostly as a joke because it's a stupid title....
Fast forward 7 years and everyone is doing it , obvously copying me because I'm so sexy.
So now it's "true review" and we will see how long it takes for people to copy my genius again.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Hah, either way - thank you so much for this! Really appreciate it!!
Yeah i agree, the single player campaign is actually much worse than dirt rally 2 or WRC 10, its basically no point to it at all. Also the driving its self is a step down i feel from dirt rally 2, its just easier now while still being unrealistic. Also even on the hardest setting its easy to pull out minute long leads on a single long stage. They needed to have better dynamic opponent times based on your skill.
Its a wasted opportunity if they just spent some time makeing a good single player experience the game would have been very good, as it is now it doesn't really give you a reason too want to play it after the first 5 hours.
I watched through the whole video and didn't even cry, I'm proud of myself
Same. You and I need to go outside 😂
@@Username_Invalid 🤣🤣
Agree with you on the inconsistent stage quality, Dirt Rally 2 stages have more thought put into them, comparing the New Zealand stages. WRC NZ stages all feel the same even within a single stage it gets repetitive.
'thought'...? They're all real stages, both DR2.0 and WRC. There is no 'thought', it's pure mapping. Yes, DR2.0 has more detailed stages, but they did not look at all like the actual location. Colour grading was all off especially. NZ is one of the poorer locations in EA WRC, passable... but feels rushed.
You're having a laugh otherwise though, the EA WRC stages are 100x better than Dirt Rally boring flat stages. We had so few locations at launch, then just got remasters. Mexico, Portugal, Chile, Indonesia, Kenya, Italy, Corsica... all great. Snow locations are great. There are a few underwhelming ones like NZ, Estonia, Croatia. None of them are BAD, they're all real stages but need more stage dressing and foliage/tree detail.
@martsum398 The road mapping and elevation data might be "real" but I have driven through some of these stages as I live in New Zealand and some stages only 40mins away. DR2 matches up much closer, WRC didn't match up, the visuals look way off for NZ roads, also the way the car feels on the gravel, DR2 feels closer to what I have experienced. I'm still enjoying the game Kenya is a blast plus a bunch of other countries but to say the stages are 100x better that did make me giggle.
@@JallyTee I live in NZ too, and I think both DR2.0 and WRC don't really feel or look like NZ at all. WRC NZ seems rushed quite rushed and lacking detail, seems super wide roads too.
Something that everyone missed that you can test for yourself.. codemasters is literally giving you more braking force as a bend approaches. Like magic braking assistance behind the scenes. Driving 90 mph and slamming the brakes in a straight will not have the same effect if a bend is coming. Its magic and I dont need to tell you that this actually thows the feel off quite a bit because its all connected.. or should be. Try it out for yourself
The career mode has a Weird calender layout that i dont like and it feels repetitive in the end
I was suspicious when every review was being positive and the only negative thing they would mention is the stutter problem which is a very safe criticism. Btw I bet they will probably add Rallycross as a DLC later on.
Bro you play automatic, and you're complaining about lack of realism?
The performance problems are really a turn off for me, especially when playing a driving game... If it was a single player RPG with a ton of cutscenes then maybe that's ok? But a driving game that really focuses on visual speed and precision should have performance at the top of the requirements. I would say even more so than with an FPS because at least you get to shoot more than once... lol
A true review at last…I agree with you on handling being off. Personally I thought the original Dirt Rally had the best handling. I.m finding driving the latest hybrid’s really difficult to control.
They handle worse than previous generations irl too. The suspension and awd system is less sophisticated than previous generations of cars.
When pessimism turns into realty. I was so hoping to be wrong for once.
Hey man! You working on mods still?
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing looks like I'm gonna need AES keys for EA WRC lol
@GabenHood sorry for my ignorance but what are Aes keys?
@@SleepyPantsSimRacing a key to a lock on the 3D models in Unreal Engine games. Its how I got Bathurst out of ACC before giving the files to Reboot team.
@@GabenHood ahhh I see lok
First true review of this game I’ve seen so far! From my own experience I find that you truly nailed it, both the pros and the cons.
As for the performance issues (as also experienced by me on the PS5), they are not that different from Dirt 2 at launch. It took Codemasters a couple of months to fix them so hopefully they’ll work on it for this title also. I can honestly say that 30 minutes of rally Kenya gave me a serious headache!
What I find amazing is that Gran Tourism 7 run on the PS4 with amazing graphics, no stutter and no game breaking frame-rate drops while Codemasters doesn’t manage to get the game running smoothly on the PS5 even with subpar graphics!
It's total trash and the other channels were all paid to hype it.
@@rowlandjohnvanderwesthuize2164 yeah you're exactly right... I knew something was up when each of those BS "preview" videos started with "sponsored by EA" screen that not one of those youtubers suspiciously mentioned. Some even went as far as to say the are absolutely not paid, yeah right. One party gets early access code and tons of views and publicity, other party gets heaps of hype and skewed "previews" into positive, if at all, barely mentioning ANY negatives, like glaring stuttering, and people believe no money is being moved? . I have been so puzzled by so conflicting reactions all over social media that I watched hours upon hours of gameplay and "reviews" and yeah it's dull. Dirt rally didn't have much to offer in terms of single player, nor did KT WRC, but both, while very different, managed one thing most of times at least: physics, not perfect, visuals neither, nor physics - but driving and mastering it was ultimately fun and rewarding. Here it looks so way off. Like was said here, all cars look to be driving like modern rally1...
Also codemasters getting rid of dailies, weeklies and monthlies and just leaving it all to players to create and join Clubs to create their own experience OUTSIDE of the game is so lazy I cant actually believe it.
And again, as was said here in the review, ALL gravel roads look nearly identical, what the hell is up with that... Let alone its pristine look, the gravel road from country to country does not even have a different colour. Same with sky, with foilage, with distant views, from Kenya, through Sardinia, Greece, Spain, Estonia, Finland, Chile, just everything is the same colour. Stages are lifeless. There are quite a few runs through or near towns and villages, there should be big crowds, especially since we're talking about a supposedly officially licensed WRC product - they're so out of touch with the actual modern world that they dont even care about presenting their product as popular with fans on virtual stages... From codemasters being their usual (some things great, some things questionable at least), here comes ea and fia wrc to push the game into new engine and rush it to release. I'm so glad I've grown up into being financially reponsible in gaming spending and not thown my money into this.
I think a lot of the performance problems with EA Sports WRC are down to the dev team moving to Unreal engine and not fully understanding how to get the best performance out of it. I can't help but feel that they would have made a better looking game with a more stable frame rate if they'd stuck to using the Ego engine.
They changed because with Unreal, they could create longer tracks. I actually wonder if they did have to switch anyway, why not immediatly go with Unreal Engine 5 instead of 4.
I'm creating a car game myself with Unreal Engine, and the car physics from UE4 and UE5 are very different to set up. I just skipped UE4 and am going with UE5 as that's the way forward for things.
Just one 30km stage per country, two if you count reverse. So I rather have this game running on ego engine and stages long as 12 or 15km. Because that you only have two unique stages per country, one 30km and one 12km. Then they are driven reverse, spliteted in halv and again driven reverse so thats why you get 12 stages per country
i agree on lots of the things yoiu say but the part about tracks feeling newly surfaced i think actually is quite realistic. on most wrc events i have been to the gravel roads are fixed and widened before the cars are allowed to run
I realised people would bring this up.
Even on a newly surficed stage there is still way more variation at the edge , way more details and divots edge variations , hillside variations , foliage variation.
About the stages in game, for example in the Portuguese rally the stages ingame are not the real rally stages, they dont even have the Fafe stage with the jump in the end. if it is a Licenced WRC game i can't imagine the reason they did not use the real stages.... even generation was spot on in this
its rumoured that stage was made for dirt rally 3 before they got the wrc licence. hence they couldnt use the 'official' stage, but chose a real road nearby instead. but all the other stages were made after obtaining the licence and therefore are based on the real stages.
they didnt do a very good job though, real or not they all look so boring and repetitive.
All what you said to the ‚wheird‘ physics is correct in the part of the tarmac physics, but couldn’t agree for the gravel physics. Absolute great are the gravel physics of the for excample old Group B RWD cars, that I drove for 90% in the game. Couldn’t get enough from driving them! You have to get deep into the gravel physic’s. They are brilliant, I am sure most people who said that the gravel physic’s are wheird, ugly, Arcady and so on aren’t going deep enough to them or aren’t able to get so deep as needed, not deep enough to feel the fine details, especially at the limits. For me these (gravel physics) are the greatest physics I have ever experienced in my over 20years of doing Ralley sims, and I play every title, at least for a few ours, others over 500ours, that comes out to pc.
The gravel stages, for excample Kenia, Pacifico, Ociano, Greece, Finnland, Mexico, Sardegna, Estonia and Chile are soooo different in every kind and aspect, all of these have an absolute different feel, different Grip level, different lay out and are all a very big challenge to drive at least if you will bev fast there to come to the limits of stage/car combination. And for me they are also the most realistic ones I drove so far.
Also the FFB on gravel is the best one I could experience in an Ralley title so far if you go deep with all their settings to set it as you need and like it, which takes me over 2 ours, but then the FFB is pure perfect with a lot of fine information and all information you need to be fast👍👌…
On the other side Tarmac: The tarmac physics are not the best ones, way to grippy with rail feeling and so on… The stage design of a few tarmac stages for excample Croatia are soo boring, the stages there are so wide with thousands of same curves everywhere the same grip level and the same tarmac structure, absolute smooth tarmac as black ice, no bumps or things like that. Sooo boring…
KI is also very broken, but carrier isn’t the most important thing for me. To be honest never testet carrier after over 30ours in the game…
The actual performance is also a big problem cause of the stutters, but only one per stage for me, when I drove it second time I mostly don’t have any one. On the other side it runs fine with an very old PC with an vintage I 7700k (which is two generations under the minimum specs!) in combination with an new great RTX 4080 I have round 80FPS most settings on ultra on 3440*1440. If there are performance problems for you, set off mirrors (you don’t need them in Ralley) and set the reflections to the lowest(you wouldn’t see an difference while driving) and for sure, you will have at least round 20fps more with only by changing these two settings.
Overall: For me it is the best (GRAVEL!!!) Ralley game ever released on PC. I am really in love with it and I am shure I will play it over 1000ours👍👌😍- on gravel !!! Please try it yourself! It is amazing!! All reviews are going from hate to glory…. You have to test it on your own…
These are my 2 Cent to an Sim, I have ever waited for. Now Codis, please try to make an really nice tarmac Ralley Sim for us… (sorry for my ugly English - I am from Germany…)
best review so far
it aligns perfectly with my thoughts of the game
You are so right about how players lowered their standards so much that they can't even recognise a bad game anymore! I am still hoping someone will make something on the level of Richard Burns rally
11:05 you killed the marshal! 😂
Yes, when I was driving the tracks felt somehow off to me as well. I was wondering why I was having Dirt 4 flashbacks. It was because the roads look too consistent like you said.
There was one thing I noticed. In WRC Generations (and 10, maybe older games to) had drones following you in some places. Not in this game.
Although your opinion is valid as any, i wanted to let you know if you already didn't that for this game atleast some (maybe all) stages are replicant of real stages. So we have "real" stages compared to KT games fictional ones (SSS excluded)
@@Tulizukka I am aware that they are at the very least based on real stages. That however doesn't excuse that the road surfaces look almost completely consistent (like no skidmarks left by other cars, cracks), there is not enough variety in the road textures used within a single stage, or the subpar visuals in places. In comparison to Dirt Rally 2.0 that is.
@@laszlomiko9085 Thats true and agree with👍
Love you honesty and fun comedy vibe, great review 👍
I have a 5800x3d/4080 and the performance can still be abysmal at times. No way this game should run as poorly as it does given it looks like a last gen game...
no psvr2 suport in a game like this, released after gt7, is minboggling..
Thank you so much for your honesty. I’m an older gamer, and always liked racing with a wheel. I have a thrust master TX now which is pretty decent. I haven’t done a rally cross ever before. I have always stuck to the NASCAR games and I really like project cars 2… from the information that you have given us. I think I’m gonna start out with dirt rally 2… Thanks!! 😎
You should also check Richard Burn's Rally. Rally Sim Fans (RSF) version
Absolutely spot on man!!!
Hopefully the patch it, i noticed these as well bro, but still playing it we have no choice,
Hopefully next year this game gets better! :) i do enjoy the game so i jump between dirt 2.0 wrc game and this for rallying.
Very well made video keep up the great work. I hope devs lisened.
Thanks for telling it how it is, I'm getting sick of this developer cksking I'm seeing by other channels whom I thought would be honest..
It's just sad because I had really high hopes this would finally dethrone RBR
I think one thing that KT did right was the sliding of cars on dirt, you can really feel the roughness of the gravel and the sliding feels natural in their recent titles, which makes it fun. Gamer Muscle, you have said everything that I felt during my 3h go at the trial. The whole point of driving off road is THE FACT THAT YOU CAN SLIDE AND DRIFT THE CAR! Is this something that will take a long time to fix, and will they even fix??
The problem I got is the asphalt part has too much sliding but probably me being ass but I feel like asphalt is too sliding for me
except doing it in real life is significantly harder than in the dirt rally games. This game handles a lot more like a real car does and takes real techniques to slide thru corners. In dr 1 and 2 you can drive like the car is a toy and you're going over plastic
I can't say I'm feeling what you are with the physics. I'm able to get a nice flow going, and I've yet to touch any tuning whatsoever. Maybe there is some hidden assist still bugged on?
One thing I definitely agree with is that my standards have been lowered in recent years. Actually having functional single player and friend's only endgame is such a breath of fresh air I'm willing to overlook a lot of faults. I'm just so sick of racing games perpetually funneling me into open matchmaking multiplayer, while stifling single player and friend's only elements. I mean just look at Forza Motorsport, with it's CarPG and joke AI. Why did they have to so thoroughly ruin the single player and friend's only experience?
Cheers for this James, second time I’ve watched it lol I keep hoping for it to be good but fact is, it ain’t. You helped me come to my senses. AC it is then. One day we’ll get a proper rally game.
Totally agree, stutter fest (Thanks UE4) and very strange physics. Shame really as the tracks are great. Hopefully a patch or 2 can polish it up, but for now i'll stick to dr2.
It's UE5. And no stutters here.
its unreal engine 4, and there are absolutely stutters@@Ze-Ace
@@socks2441 just googled. Says UE5
interesting. it had been claimed a long time ago it was unreal engine 4. but i just looked into it and now there are places suggesting unreal engine 5. i suspect they are wrong and it is ue4, but cant be sure. so you might be right.@@Ze-Ace
@socks2441 yeah idk says ue5. I had stutters at first but no issues now. Also in the discord codies out up a post saying once the oath is ready there will be preshader comp to fix with stage stutters
Like I know there sheer variety of CPU and GPUs combos are hard to cater for, BUT, do you remember a time when game devs used to release games that actually worked?
no
@@AndrewPeddie well I do.
Im glad the "20 years" have made it to the review. Im 45 now and shouting "20 years" has at lot of applicatioms.
Though I disagree with you throwing your teddy out the pram about IRacing every 5 minutes, I agree this game feels weird, menu system is terrible, resting staff and having to select is cobblers. I do it find fun but it needs a lot of work. Gone for a cuppa 👍
I agree with almost all the points here, finally a truly unbiased review. I just don't agree with the force feedback bit, it's so vague and muted that it's not very helpful or realistic feeling, at least in my experience. The tracks are varied but feel kinda empty and barren. Regarding the driving physics, I think it improved over DR2 but still far from realistic and the handbrake reactions are just plain weird. RBR is still the rally sim king, even after 20 years.
Got my copy on release day, played it 30mins and then sent it back.
90 percent negative things to say about this title and you still think it's worth a buy. I don't think so.
Idk, called it a 5/10, doesn't really seem like he's recommending much
What a shame, going to wait another Year before getting WRC, WRC Generations was terrible, better to stick with DR2.0 and RBR
You're right i should be outside and not watching a 30minute review but I've been trying to watch as many reviews as possible to make sure that I actually think it's mediocre and that I've just been brainwashed into thinking it's amazing. The lack of rally games in the last years has proven why i found it to be so amazing but when it comes to black on white you're right, it's mediocre except for the sound.
I bought the new Heusinkveld handbrake for this game and I don’t even need it now lol. The review is spot on, it’s a lot of fun but it falls short on so many things like the stages. It feels like there’s hardly any camber compared to Dirt Rally.
Try WRCG if you have a fanatec wheel.
spot on with camber
I watched until the end… 🤣🤣
I agree with you; the sound is amazing… I actually like the graphics (not the glitches, which will hopefully get sorted). The main down side is like you say; it’s all a bit dull… the stages are longer, but quite monotonous… the car handling is quite dull and the menu system in the Career mode and during the rallies themselves is just ridiculously bad.
I’m hoping that in 2024 they come up with a really engaging E-sports mode which might save the game…
Great in depth review. Really disappointed the handling isn’t better and that there’s no Rallycross. DR and DR2 RallyX has been a staple for playing with mates in different countries for a decade now.
Thanks for the review, happy to wait until they get out of Alpha.
I appreciate the brutally honest criticism. You don't hear these things from the fanboys.
Spot on review, same issues on console except I've not had any crashes. Quite a lot of screen tearing as well. Hopefully they'll patch it along the way. Somewhere in here is a good game I think.
With EA in charge, hoping is accurate because there is probably 50% chance a thing will be fixed.