The Making of Megazone 23
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2017
- A look into the history and legacy of Japan's first big OVA.
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Anime in order of appearance:
Megazone 23: Part 1
Aura Battler Dunbine
Genesis Climber Mospeada
Super Dimension Calvary Southern Cross
Macross: Do You Remember Love
Cream Lemon: Lonely Twilight II
Moon Station Dallos
Fight! Iczer-1
Robot Carnival (Deprive)
Mobile Suit Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
Bubblegum Crisis
Dirty Pair OVA
Project A-Ko
Megazone 23: Part 2
Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Ideon: Be Invoked
Akira
Megazone 23: Part 3
Robotech the Movie
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Music:
Rock Cafe - Shiro Sagisu
Senaka Goshi ni Sentimental - Kumi Miyasato
B.D - Shiro Sagisu
Himitsu Kudasai - Kumi Miyasato
Kaneda's Theme - Geino Yamashirogumi
Netjacker - Keisha Urata
Sabishikute Nemurenai - Kumi Miyasato
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Megazone 23 is a underrated masterpiece
yes it is!!!
Anyone else secretly hope it stays that way? I don't this to get swept up in the recent nostalgia wave. it would be like Desecrating grave.
I’m surprised popular “anime” youtubers haven’t heard of it
Part 1 and 2, sure.. 3 though was awful
Contrary to others, I actually like part 3 best. Watched it many times.
Just finished watching Megazone 23. And I can agree with the original animators, that the drastic change in art style was too much. The original was waay prettier. But anyways, Eve is best girl!
I was in SHOCK when I saw Part 2, I was like, this couldn't be the same series! It was pretty awful compared to the original which I regard very highly.
@@andersalbertsson215 yep, the same has just happened to me and I needed a clarification because I started thinking the characters were like the counterpart world... like if the unknown enemies of part 1 had like an identical city with counterpart characters named the same... like if they were all clones or something xD
I don't like the drastic change of art style, but I can't deny the higher production quality. Only if they kept the same art style with a color scheme overhaul for a more mature look.
The designs in part 2 weren't horrible, but I did find myself not being able to keep track of who's who. Plus I'm more of a fun of Mikimoto than Uemetsu.
From the time I saw Megazone 23 when I was in junior high school, it was my OBSESSION!!! Especially the Garland. I had every artbook and sourcebook that there was to be found in America at the time, and in my area, I was considered THE person to go to if someone had questions on it...but the time I was 15! I was the only one in my area that had managed to track down an original tape for PArt 1 and Part 2 when they were out....and thanks to a trip to Japan the summer that I graduated high school...I was able to bring home both parts of Part 3, as well as the soundtracks for all the films.
To this day, the Garland is STILL one of my favorite mecha of all time because it is more realistic in scope and size than all other mecha created....but I preferred it in motorcycle mode at all times, especially the Proto-Garland from Part 2. I even studied auto and motorcycle design to see if I could build a functional motorcycle for the Proto-Garland to actually ride! lol
And then when Carl Macek bastardized it for his failed Robotech: The Movie...I was one of only 7 people in the theater when it released, and I could NOT have been angrier at the man for destroying what I loved.
Megazone 23 was the OVA that got me into anime when I was a kid. Remember my parents bought me the VHS when I was a Freshman in highschool in 1998. Still have the original VHS just no longer have a VCR lol
Shogo Yahagi: I live in the mid-1980s
Megazone 23: NO
AIC Forever! Now that i think about it, most of my anime purchases in the 90s were OVA VHS subs from Animeigo, ADV, and Streamline. Those were the days. Still have all those Devil Hunter Yohko tapes.
It would be interesting to see if this would get made how it was originally planned as a series.
The Count of Monte Cristo It would’ve been famous
Well AIC made a decision that they would be rebuting the series somewhere in late 2019 but they need funding
Eve wasn't the only character from Part 1/2 that made it into Part 3.. Shogo did too as an alternative character..
I can't help but feel like Robotech The Movie could've had the Megazone 23 story act as an epilogue to The New Generation with the generation ship itself being revealed to be the SDF-3 trying to preserve human culture as the EVE program goes so far as to brainwash the population entirely.
Mark could be Rick and Lisa's son who they wanted to be raised in a world without war. Hell, EVE could be an A.I. program who's personality was directly based on Lynn Minmei herself. The Dezalg could be an Invid faction and reason the SDF-3 couldn't make it to Earth. Perhaps some of the new animation like the alternate ending would involve Scott Bernard arriving to help defeat said enemy.
Not a huge anime fan but I just watched part 1 and 2 and was so confused by the difference I ended up here for an explanation lol
Man this video cleared up so much for me, I just finished megazone 23 part II and it left me so confused
yeah, the wikipedia article doesn't explain shit
Damn, I wish this had been a full show. Could have been one of the greats.
The soundtrack for this ova is full of bangers
agree so much
We discovered megazone 23 part 2 by accident it was a bonus on a part 1 film tape. Part 2 was confusing but had such a good ending it was worth it.
Great work, thank you so much for this!
I was looking for a proper Megazone 23 review and finally found it! Great video!
I personally enjoyed parts 1 and 3 the most. Part 1 (the original Megazone 23) felt light, 1980s style, but was also surprisingly thought-provoking with its Matrix-esque Big Reveal. I didn't quite get the various plot holes people saw in it. I guess they meant that it ended without a proper ending, but wasn't labeled as "part 1" back then?
Part 3 was unnecessary plot wise, but as a 2-part standalone story in the Megazone 23 universe it was decent and addressed some plot points from part 1, not to mention paying homage to the original.
To me part 2 wasn't as good as some claim it was. The change in art style and use of strongly contrasting, bright colors and dark edges highlighted all of the mistakes in animations. Certain animations were awfully choppy unlike the ones in the original Megazone 23. Also, if you look closely, sometimes the colors of key items change between frames (Eve's hair color in a poster in a scene with Lightning, Lightning's headband when he got hurt in the head, etc.). Finally, I completely loathed what they did to the character designs of Shogo, Yui and BD. Shogo looked unnecessarily different, but Yui looked just totally out of place with her good girl appearance (Sandy from Grease meets Janet from Rocky Horror Picture Show?). The funniest was BD Edwards, however. You know when did I realize the bad guy with purple-grey hair was BD? At the very end of the OVA. Simply because his name was never explicitly mentioned before and his character was so different. Lastly, the alien "enemy" mentioned in part 1 re-appears in part 2, but then suddenly disappears without mention.
Robotech: The Untold Story was just a horribly "ugh" idea.
I'm only just realizing that seeing it in the '80s it made me nostalgic for the then present.
Thank you for making and posting this! Love, love, LOVE MegaZone 23!
The 80s teaching dub of Part 2 has always been one of my favorites. The English voices were good, the action was good, the ending was sad... and then hopeful. The addition of "Present for you" at the beginning of the tape where the narrator explains the backstory of how humans destroyed the Earth always made me kind of teary, and you didn't even need to watch Part 1 to understand it all.
Really deep analysis. Much appreciated, thank you!
MercuryFalcon. If you study the "Akira "Manga, you will find that several scenes in PART II were lifted from the Akira manga. In fact when Akira was made into an animated film, they left these scenes out. One scene in paticular, is when a military tank gunner mows down the bikers.
great video, great info. great job.
The change in Shogo's art style, and the change of his name to Johnny Winters, really confused me. I was about halfway through Part 2 before I realised Johnny Winters was Shogo. I think I would've enjoyed the film more if I had realised that from the start.
Wow, I remember obtaining a pirated vhs copy of part 2 back in the day. Back then that was one of the only ways to get your anime fix! Some of those old tapes, such as the copy of Char's Counterattack were only in native Japanese without subtitles and I'd have to watch it with the latest Anime magazine in hand to interpret what was going on. Fun times!
You are my spirit animal!
So sick. Literally only here cause I saw a gnarly gif on twitter from this ova. Immediately watching.
Thank you for this video.
"I believe that this may have been an inspiration for the Wachowski siblings when they were creating the Matrix."
Cool Video Man!
great video!!!
All three parts were amazing in their own right. But the music and the art styles - especially in part 2 - were what made the series memorable for me. It was a pity that Kumi Miyasato didn't return for part 3 and was most known for her songs from Megazone vs. her own. She sold a couple albums and had disappeared from the animation and music scene all together.
Part 2 was amazing. Had copies of the dubbed version back in the 1980s.
Old school otaku
Damn, i watched so many of your videos consecutively my eyes hurt. You guys are a great content maker!!! Wow!
Great stuff 👍
The dub by ADV films features the very distinctive voice of Vic Mignogna.
Yay! It's back!
The robotech movie actually had a vhs release in sweden as well, dubbed to our local language :)
Dirty pair , akira, bubble gum crisis and Project A-ko anime are mentioned in this Video.
The tonal shift between well crafted/colorful moe' mecha fare to obscene punk rock ultra violence in part 2 is actually the most rewarding aspect of this series.
the second imo is one of the most influential underexposed pieces of animation ever.
nothing short of a stroke of genius.
Really interesting, good video!
Yeah, EXCEPT they always pronounce #Macross WRONG ...
IT'S NOT McCross, He was the leader of the Black Hole Gang in #GalaxyRangers !
It's pronounced MACK ROSS.
Proof that these people never saw #Robotech
@@lopony7944 You keep commenting this and I'm going to keep reply:
The dub by ADV pronounces it Muh-cross. Prior to seeing the dub, I too called it Mack-ross. I figured since the ADV dub used the original Japanese names it was more accurate than Robotech and started using their pronunciation from then on. It wasn't until 2016 when I started making videos that people started telling me the ADV dub was wrong.
Even though multiple people have commented on every video telling me to change my pronunciation I will not. Not because I think the ADV way is correct, but because I want to set a precedent that I am unreasonably stubborn.
@@MercuryFalcon Hey you left out the sequel to this movie which was made as a visual novel RPG game for PS3 by Compile Heart starring the main protagonists son
quinton review watching this is the weirdest crossover ive ever seen
Instablaster
Gawds, I can remember forking out $75 CDNon average for single OAVs like Dangaio & Bubblegum Crisis. Worth every penny (because pennies still existed in Canada at the time)
The plot idea of Megazone literally is MATRIX XD, so in a way, Megazone 23 is another inspiration for the Wachowski to create The Matrix, even if wasn't intentional.
nah
@@victorfergnyes
thank you :)
Good shit, homie.
I knew of the show but never watched - excellent presentation sir.
Here's a fun fact: Megazone 23 was later featured in Super Robot Wars D, though the series in that game only had 2 dedicated missions to it. Oh, and Proto Garland is one of the game's best units.
Thanks for a great historical video...I loved both parts 1 & 2, they were part of my "Japanimation" youth and upbringing. Wachowski siblings would be inspired by this anime OVA/OAV storyline into creating major aspects of their The Matrix films.
i would love those megazone toys!
HOLY GEEZE
That Framerate
Lookin' like a slideshow out here.
I see that the Wachowski Brothers plagiarised more anime than they cared to admit. This is literally the entire plot of The Matrix.
Some elements yes
I want to know why the movies are so different to number 1and number 2 and number one the girl had a green bouncy house brownish like blonde hair
*sisters
IDK why I'm replying to a 5 year old post but I've been seeing this said a lot. Personally I think the themes are very similar but it's a stretch to say they stole the idea from this movie. I think you could also very easily say the animation studio stole the idea from Plato's allegory of the cave. I don't believe either instance to be true though, I think what's more important is considering inspiration in an art piece and being respectful with that inspiration. Don't for example do a shot by shot recreation of a scene from a movie you're taking inspiration from when making yours. Do borrow ideas and themes and put your own spin on it. I loved watching Megazone 23 but I gotta give the Wachowski sisters some credit. If they were heavily inspired from this film, they ended up making something unique with enough subtext to allow multiple different interpretations. For how great and fun it is, Megazone 23 doesn't do that and I think that's okay.
Watch this movie like two times in a row I think but I watched it three times because it was actually good for me like this would have had a number three movie
I really wish to see a faithful live-action adaptations of Megazone 23 part I and II. Art style for both parts being faithful to the first OVA, story being logically expanded, tech design being faithfully recreated, and the ORIGINAL songs being reused, no remix or cover.
Wow - this is an excellent summation of Megazone 23's history - at least considering I don't know much of anything about it :P
Definitely got me interested in watching this & will probably help me get over the whiplash between each part a little. :P
Good overview, but there's something important you skipped. Which is that in the US there's actually a version with a different happyer ending where shogo wins. The animation was done by ARTMIC/AIC but without the knowledge of Ishiguro.
That was the Robotech movie which only used footage from Megazone as well as Southern Cross to tell an entirely original story. I discuss that in my Robotech the Movie making of video, but its technically not Megazone.
@@MercuryFalcon It's very weird either way!
I would love a rerelease of this.
As everyone I knew was a big Mikimoto fan, we all thought Megazone 23 part 2 was a massive let down. The intent of the script seemed to be a far cry from part 1 as well. Part of me would still like to see a 'proper' part 2, matching the tone and art of part 1.
I recall being disappointed with part 2, but nothing could prepare me for the nightmare that was part 3. I kept asking myself “Which one was Shogo again?”
their was no vhs release in the netherlands, it was an LD release, with theatrical presentations in the US (testmarket) Argentina, and a few other spanish speaking countries, with a VHS release on argentina, latin america and other countries
Interesting to see this after watching the 2004 Dub of parts 1&2.Recently my dad who has known of it and only seen part 2 has told me bits of what he remembers, which upon what I discover is something interesting. He saw the international version of part 2 which had been edited and censored when he first saw that version. When we saw part 2 together,he was already caught off guard by the names(Since the names of the international ver was different) and bits of the Delgaz attacks he never knew of(partially).In the end he was more saying that this is not "his" megazone 23 and how there was bits not shown off in the ver he saw, upon finding out it was Harmony Gold's edits.Though I did enjoy the original 2 part Ova and will soon look into part 3 if possible.
And now i know. Thank you.
I remember seeing "Robotech: The Movie" in the theatre in 86.
Megazone 23 Part 2 is my favorite of the three. I loved the artwork and character designs.
Bro thank you I've been looking for a good review and this shit was awesome, I remember seeing part 2 first and then 1 couple months after back in 04 on comcast they even had DNA to the 2nd power🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
dont forget they changed lots of the vas, including Shougos (i forgot who his original va was, but the va for Part 2 was Yao Kazuki, The voice of Shinobu in Dancouga and Judou ashita in Gundam ZZ)
Man, its so weird how many matrix like things came before the matrix. Like... so many
2:31 I wonder if that revised story element helped inspire Macross Plus...
I didn't even know they were the same characters in part 2 for a good amount of time
I had a VHS bootleg of MZ23 pt II (the international version) in the late '80s, that had the ending part of pt I spliced to the beginning. Never saw part 1 as a whole until the ADV release. Saw Robotech the Movie on UA-cam, and was appalled. Saw pt III as the ADV release.
Frankly, Pt II is my favorite, maybe because it's what I "grew up with".
This Channel is what UA-cam was made for
Now that's a cannon movie (sorry couldn't help myself)
The government forces in Megazone 23 did nothing wrong. I live in a self induced simulation of 80s culture and it's rad!
But...they killed Tomomi
@@justinratcliffe947 only because she was with Shogo and therefore knew too much
You know, I'm pretty against the grain in this. I think the part 2 designs worked pretty well to communicate that the dreamy illusion of Tokyo was dead. It's mentioned in part 1 that the population is under a bit of a hypnosis to convince them they are living in 80s Tokyo paradise, living lives seemingly more fulfilling than they actually are. Shogo in part 1 is not an 80s action hero. He is a part time McDonald's worker who uses a motorcycle to try pick up girls. BD is not the comically evil smirking slimy military man that Shogo's perception sees him as, but is someone forced to take drastic action to try to salvage what he can from a no win war. Yui does not actually have blue hair.
Info-packed. Good work. I more or less grew up on the dub of MZ23p2, as it was one of a handful of bootlegs I bought from a shady guy at a convention as a kid. Particularly since DYRL (again, the dub) was another of those bootlegs I bought, learning about all of the connections between the two movies is a real eye-opener. Nothing hits home quite so strikingly as finally getting the details on stuff that was a big deal to one's childhood. The MZ23p2 dub included an unusual introductory sequence that made an attempt to bring viewers up to speed on what they missed in the first movie (which I hadn't seen). The extreme disconnect in character design was definitely something I've always wondered about.
Wow Robotech the movie has Dutch Subs. I hope that Netflix Holland launches Megazone 23 with Japan Dub and Dutch Subs. Actually Netflix did also Devilman Crybaby on Netflix Holland with Dutch Subs.
Talk about Gaogaigar
Woh, I want to have a silver hawks pinball machine.
I look back now and remember the first tape of Ranma I bought was 30 dollars for 2 episodes. And it wasn't even from the first season, just later down the line since Sam Goody didn't have anything in order
2 years ago, I walk out of a Wal-Mart with the first season, on DVD and remastered....on sale for 9 bucks.
C'EST LA VIE!
do you know the anime with 39 episodes at 5:28 ?
@@9822703
Top pic was Nadia (the one with 39 eps)
Middle was Gundam.
Bottom was Ranma.
Main screenshot is from Dirty Pair.
Could you make a making of Bubblegum Crisis?
So what happens in that simulation on December 31, 1989? When you run out of 80s? 198-10?
Wait they have a Silverhawks pin-ball machine? awesome.
This reminds me loosely to Zoids
Omega city 23 might be a prequel to Megazone 23
That's weird, talking about explicit erotic titles for the home market and yet showing footage of Lemon Angel, a mid-night TV anime. Lemon Angel aired in 1988, with that particular shot at 4:10 being from episode 4, Lonely Twilight II. Perhaps actually using an example from a 1985 Cream Lemon would've been more applicable, like the ever-popular Part 4: Pop Chaser.
It should also be noted that Laserdiscs in the US import market saw large popularity, as they were often cheaper than VHS tapes in the 1980s. There's a weird absence of mentioning Fight! Iczer-1 in this context as well, as was mostly by the same production team and itself had a major influence on the subsequent OVAs and was one of the more popular imports.
Is that Matthew goddamn Broderick?
what song was played in the beginning?
Thanks for this. The production troubles make sense because what I watched, while enjoyable, seemed disjointed and Frankenstein like
I thoroughly enjoyed the movie series on Prime 🌹✨🎥😺🍿 recommend 💯not for the feint 😉
THIS MOVIE IS SO FUCKING HARD TO FUCKING FIND!!!!
WHAT? is it popular? I am from the netherlands and i have robotech the movie tape. Bought it from ebay 17 years ago for 30 euros!
would you mind to tell me where does the information about the correlation of Macross Minmay hologram and Megazone 23 Eve come from?
It was in the liner notes for the ADV release of Megazone on the back of a poster that came with the DVDs
If not there (sorry this video was made a long time ago) it may have been posted on the Memory Matrix, a website made documenting the production of Megazone and Robotech the movie.
imagined if Carl Macek had the complete collection of Megazone23, the Robotech movie would be awesome
but then came Cannon films....
9:50 hey! dutch subs! Dat is leuk
The Matrix
Out of curiosity, does anyone know the title of the anime that's shown from 4:10 to 4:14?
Cream Lemon
what is the anime with 39 episodes at 5:28 ? i recognize Ranma with 164 episodes at the bottom. and i assume the middle was gundom with 43 episodes.
Nadia
@@MercuryFalcon thanks!
The 1995 v of the film is the best one got a vhs copy at a con to bad had to get rid all of of it in a move I also had madox 01 and mdgeist
Robotech should have incorporated this between the Macross and Southern Cross series. Eve should have been in the next generation.
The Japanese Blu ray release of MegaZone has been out for a while.
If things go as planned, the US release on Blu ray should happen later this month.
Corona has delayed the set a bit and there were some production hiccups but it'll probably be released within the next month. +Fingers crossed!+
My copy is on order!
The AnimEigo Blu ray set will have all 3 OVAs and a ton of extras.
And yes, they have gotten all the English dubs for the series, too. AnimEigo is one of the few fan-friendly companies that actually goes the extra mile. (Discotek would be the other one that looks for and acquires alternate dubs!) That would include Streamline Pictures and ADV for MegaZone 1, Harmony Gold and ADV for MegaZone 2, and ADV for MegaZone 3. The HG dub for MegaZone 2 is very different -- they changed the character names for English but it's got all the footage and original music. The Japanese LD set that has MegaZone 1 and 2 had additional footage created for Robotech the Movie on the laserdisc that has MegaZone 2. I know this for a fact because I OWN that LD set. This was linking footage created fresh for Robotech the Movie and NOT footage from Southern Cross. That footage will not be on the AnimEigo Blu ray set as far as I know.
Robotech the Movie will never get an official release because it's in legal copyright hell and has been disavowed. I've seen the film and it's a mess. Not very good. The only release done of Robotech the Movie in the US on home media was on DVD. The audio track for the movie was released as a bonus on the Robotech Extended and Protoculture Box Sets ADV produced when they had the Robotech license. They didn't have the animation rights to Robotech the Movie but were allowed to put the audio on DVD. (ADV would have had to license the MegaZone footage separately from the Southern Cross footage. They did license MegaZone 23 but none of the footage from Robotech The Movie is in their MegaZone 23 release.)
Robotech the Movie was NOT the film Macek wanted to produce. He wanted to get the rights to Macross: Do You Remember Love, the 1984 Macross movie, and dub it with the Robotech cast but another company had already licensed the film. Regardless of what you think about HG, that dub would have been at least ten times better than the Japanese-produced English dub they made with Hong Kong and Australian characters. The dub for "Space Fortress Macross" (alternate name for DYRL) was awful. Many people have seen it in edited form as Clash of the Bionoids but it was released unedited on VHS under the simple title "Macross" in the US for a while in the mid-1990s. Still a bad dub! I don't think the "official" DYRL English dub has been issued on Japanese home video (VHS, LD) since the late 1980s. It was an English teaching tool they used since the movie was very popular in Japan.
ANd I wrote my previous post before watching the video.
I was not aware Manga Ent had licensed and dubbed MegaZone Pt 3, the worst part of the series! LOL
I presume the dub for Part 3 will be on the AnimEigo Blu ray unless there are licensing issues or AE wasn't aware that dub existed.
I never saw Part 3 until I picked up the ADV DVD releases for the MegaZone OVAs. Pt 3 was owned by a different company than Pts 1 and 2 so it was not on the LD set that I have.
Pt 3 is also very different, obviously the lowest budgeted of the installments. It's one of the worst conclusions for an OVA series I've seen and has very poor quality animation. They really should have let the series end at Pt 2!
@daniel yuen The laserdisc set I have was issued in the 1990s so that happened before the IP transfer "reunited" all 3 OVAs under one owner. Again, I NEVER saw Part 3 until ADV Films released their DVD with their dub of the OVA on it.
The producers just ran out of money making Pt 3. OVA was just awful. Only Eve came out of this smelling semi-sweet and at least they didn't change her character design She about the only character you could recognize in Part 2! Pt 3 looks more like Part 1 but it's just wretchedly unfinished in parts.
Why can't most anime go back to this?
So, basically the Matrix is inspired on this and a little bit on ghost in the shell's aesthetics?
Vic is funny