As much as I complain about frame generation stuff being lame, using it on games that can't go beyond 30 or 60 because old physics break is really cool
I was in the same boat. Roll my eyes everytime NVIDIA push fake frames rather than giving us real performance but for this use case specifically, I love it!
Unless you have at least base 45FPS, frame generation will only make things worse because the game will be appearing to run fast but the controls will still be sampled at sub 45Hz and extremely delayed.
I would say that messing around with Resident Evil games, 3.0's improvements did lower the artifacting and it can look pretty decent in best case scenarios despite being uplifted from 30fps.
Looking forward to watching this one! Been thinking about this ever since you mentioned it in the punisher video! Loving the content, honestly the best channel I could recommend for playing older games. Keep it up man! ❤️
So forcing 60fps games to 120fps looks truly impressive, very very little ghosting and visual oddities. However, going from 30 to 60 or 90 can look super BAD. Tons and tons of ghosting and visual craziness.
i had this program but i forgot about it 😂, i see that its being updated frecuently so i want to try it again, its a great tool! Also i love reshade with crt royale for retro games or pixel art games like sonic mania or the latest TMNT. Another useful tool to solve frame pacing issues is riva tuner with his frame cap option. Im curious if this program can generate frames for games like diablo 2, must be super weird to play it a 2x or 3x the framerate 🤔
I too love to apply LSFG to older games, I even used it on a 10 FPS youtube video. I thought it would be terrible for Hotline Miami as its fast paced but it worked out well for it too. Only small artifacts happened when seeing checkerboard floors.
I'll be honest, I don't mind 30 fps. I have literally updated from a potato to a gaming laptop so, maybe that's why. Tho, thanks for explaining how lossless scaling functions. I had no idea what it is
I used to be like that, then I jumped up to 120 after a stupid monitor purchase, it's so smooth. you don't realize how "mechanical" things feel until you go up that high. 60 doesn't feel that major since a lot of older titles did run at 60fps. but there really is something to 120.
I played South Park The Stick of Truth with lossless scaling since it's locked at 30 fps. To me it was unplayable beforehand. There was some artifactfing, but it was smooth to look at at least
I have been using LS for around 2021 and i want to say that it's a amazing tool and my best steam buy but with bloodborne out i really want to try it with ls but i need to build my new pc.
Been enjoying your channel. How are you recording losselss scaling? I've had to do some frustrating work arounds to actually record the generated frames. Wondering what your process is?
Thanks! Yeah I had the same problems and I used OBS. The solution for me was to use game capture or window capture and select lossless scaling instead of the game itself. I also had a bug where in emulators like PCSX2, I had to alt tab to obs and play the game through obs otherwise it would lag a lot. Hope this helps!
@@RetroRenew I do the same thing and it's really finicky / annoying and after a recent Windows 11 update it doesn't work for me anymore. Was hoping you had discovered a better method. Seems like I gotta keep trying. Thanks!
You are wrong about how the ¨resolution scale¨ frame generation works that slider is for the AI resolution search for motion vectors the frame generated still will be full frame
I wonder, theres a 60 fps patch for bully or a config i cant remember, never looked bad, just a few cutscenes got bugged, so i wonder, if u cap it back to 30 and use lossless to get it back to 60 but it has the information for 60 fps this time, wonder how that would work?
11:17 This is not normal. It definitely works, on everything, any PCSX2 games, there are no exceptions or case by case issues. The program only need the right capture on borderless mode and twice the refresh rate of the game's framerate
3.0 lowers the GPU load by 40% whilst improving artifacts according to the devs so I don't see the older versions being much use besides maybe rare cases that 3.0 is worse somehow.
OMG. When did we become this spoiled? I genuinely don't have any trouble with 30fps gaming. In fact I love it much more in older games. And here you are - they are complaining about 60fps
While it might look smoother it doesn't feel smoother when playing, because the benefits of actually rendering a video game at a specific framerate aren't there when you are using fake frames it might look as smooth as for example 120fps but it wont play the same as actual 120fps that being every frame is actually rendered natively based on the game's logic (this is very nerdy stuff that most people don't care about but I do)
if you tink this tech is good now, just wait until you figure out that youve been using it bass ackwards to the fullest degree. i cant correct you on everything because u need to get to a place YOU understand it, so bootstraps and all that so just one tip. stop skipping lsfg's built in smorgebord of optimized scalers to scale a windowed border off with a separate inferior slower external extraneous program. thats just non-canonically nonsensicle. keep it in pipeline whenever possible. i dont have access here but if my memory serves me, on the far left set auto and fullscreen and thats it. looking forward to the rtgi video. ray tracing, imo, is the most beneficial in older titles. newer games mimic rt enough that nothings knocking you over, but in so many retro titles where they had no rt model to mimic, it can be completely transformative
Oh, it's not free and it's just more fake frames and scaling fuckery, yeah, practically useless, likely will be janky with some games. I'd rather just play these old games in their intended fps if their physics etc are tied to fps, or use custom patches, like silent with the GTA 3d trilogy, yeah, those 3 games are kinda ones of worst offenders, you go 60fps and above without silent and shit goes south. Not to mention i don't have any reason to go above 60 since my monitor only supports that afaik, and i don't really care to go for 120 in every game.
How dare a passionate developer try to make a frame gen technology that less fortunate people can use so they don't have to upgrade. All that while having fleeing his country due to war. Man how dare he...
@ Did i say anything about the dev or people that use the app? I just stated my personal opinion and why i personally won't have any use for it. Calm the hell down it's not that deep.
As much as I complain about frame generation stuff being lame, using it on games that can't go beyond 30 or 60 because old physics break is really cool
I was in the same boat. Roll my eyes everytime NVIDIA push fake frames rather than giving us real performance but for this use case specifically, I love it!
Your channel is really a blessing, hope you hit at least 100k subs, maybe even a million.
Unless you have at least base 45FPS, frame generation will only make things worse because the game will be appearing to run fast but the controls will still be sampled at sub 45Hz and extremely delayed.
I would say that messing around with Resident Evil games, 3.0's improvements did lower the artifacting and it can look pretty decent in best case scenarios despite being uplifted from 30fps.
What is the need of going beyond 30 fps? Aren’t your eyes strong enough or what?
Did you smoke Ajax or something?
My eyes are infact very weak
Games that would benefit from the FPS Doubler: GTA4, FarCry2, MedalOfHornor Frontline, Midnight Club Street Racing
Looking forward to watching this one! Been thinking about this ever since you mentioned it in the punisher video! Loving the content, honestly the best channel I could recommend for playing older games. Keep it up man! ❤️
So forcing 60fps games to 120fps looks truly impressive, very very little ghosting and visual oddities. However, going from 30 to 60 or 90 can look super BAD. Tons and tons of ghosting and visual craziness.
This channel it´s gold.
Thank you !!
i had this program but i forgot about it 😂, i see that its being updated frecuently so i want to try it again, its a great tool! Also i love reshade with crt royale for retro games or pixel art games like sonic mania or the latest TMNT. Another useful tool to solve frame pacing issues is riva tuner with his frame cap option.
Im curious if this program can generate frames for games like diablo 2, must be super weird to play it a 2x or 3x the framerate 🤔
I too love to apply LSFG to older games, I even used it on a 10 FPS youtube video. I thought it would be terrible for Hotline Miami as its fast paced but it worked out well for it too. Only small artifacts happened when seeing checkerboard floors.
I'll be honest, I don't mind 30 fps. I have literally updated from a potato to a gaming laptop so, maybe that's why. Tho, thanks for explaining how lossless scaling functions. I had no idea what it is
I will admit, over the years I've gotten more and more spoilt when it comes to things like framerates. Thanks for supporting and watching regardless!
I used to be like that, then I jumped up to 120 after a stupid monitor purchase, it's so smooth. you don't realize how "mechanical" things feel until you go up that high. 60 doesn't feel that major since a lot of older titles did run at 60fps. but there really is something to 120.
I played South Park The Stick of Truth with lossless scaling since it's locked at 30 fps. To me it was unplayable beforehand. There was some artifactfing, but it was smooth to look at at least
I have been using LS for around 2021 and i want to say that it's a amazing tool and my best steam buy but with bloodborne out i really want to try it with ls but i need to build my new pc.
I can't recommend it if you got a actual potatoe PC and despite that most claim it's perfect for potatoe PC's
Yeah i saw alot of that, it definetley cannot be used on lower end machines without compromises
Been enjoying your channel. How are you recording losselss scaling? I've had to do some frustrating work arounds to actually record the generated frames. Wondering what your process is?
Thanks! Yeah I had the same problems and I used OBS. The solution for me was to use game capture or window capture and select lossless scaling instead of the game itself.
I also had a bug where in emulators like PCSX2, I had to alt tab to obs and play the game through obs otherwise it would lag a lot. Hope this helps!
@@RetroRenew I do the same thing and it's really finicky / annoying and after a recent Windows 11 update it doesn't work for me anymore. Was hoping you had discovered a better method. Seems like I gotta keep trying. Thanks!
awesome video! is it possible for you to do a max payne 1 and 2 video? that saga is goated
You are wrong about how the ¨resolution scale¨ frame generation works that slider is for the AI resolution search for motion vectors the frame generated still will be full frame
I wonder, theres a 60 fps patch for bully or a config i cant remember, never looked bad, just a few cutscenes got bugged, so i wonder, if u cap it back to 30 and use lossless to get it back to 60 but it has the information for 60 fps this time, wonder how that would work?
It's a good video explanation.
Also Ild love to see how your bloodborne setup
I think that have same problem like frame generator from nVidia, maybe video is smoother but input lag stays same as is for 30 fps.
I didn't touch on input lag but yeah you are right, it more than doubles if I remember correctly.
I have a suggestion. Can't you use DXVK in Bully as well? Does that help? Just curious.
I've tried it with PCSX2 and it just breaks the blurry graphics.
My experience with PCSX2 was pretty positive, are you talking about using frame gen or upscaling?
@@RetroRenew frame gen
But I am using an older version of PCSX2 for the compatibility. So it might just be that.
11:17
This is not normal. It definitely works, on everything, any PCSX2 games, there are no exceptions or case by case issues. The program only need the right capture on borderless mode and twice the refresh rate of the game's framerate
ls frame gen 3.0 is for quality so the base fps will fall more than 2.3 version
3.0 lowers the GPU load by 40% whilst improving artifacts according to the devs so I don't see the older versions being much use besides maybe rare cases that 3.0 is worse somehow.
9:30 some monitors have a crosshair in there OSD, also Crosshair X is on steam
Oh it's free, if you know where to go, but I say they deserved the money.
it's going down now
OMG. When did we become this spoiled? I genuinely don't have any trouble with 30fps gaming. In fact I love it much more in older games. And here you are - they are complaining about 60fps
Guilty as charged 🤭
I guess around 2013 when the technology improved? Get with the times bro, 60fps is for peasants and 30fps is a pathetic joke.
"The amazing program known as Lossless Scaling,
With just a few clicks,
You can double your frame rate"
Yo that rhymes
What drugs are u using...?
thats pretty cool tech bummer though that its not that good on bully
Yeah 30 to 60 looks bad, i've heard 40 to 60 is a bit better.
While it might look smoother it doesn't feel smoother when playing, because the benefits of actually rendering a video game at a specific framerate aren't there when you are using fake frames it might look as smooth as for example 120fps but it wont play the same as actual 120fps that being every frame is actually rendered natively based on the game's logic (this is very nerdy stuff that most people don't care about but I do)
I love lossless scaling. The comments here are wild. Playing sonic generations at 240fps from a locked 60fps is a dream come true.
so its just matrix interpolation, nothing new
1:11 song name?
Bully OST - Cheating Time
if you tink this tech is good now, just wait until you figure out that youve been using it bass ackwards to the fullest degree. i cant correct you on everything because u need to get to a place YOU understand it, so bootstraps and all that so just one tip. stop skipping lsfg's built in smorgebord of optimized scalers to scale a windowed border off with a separate inferior slower external extraneous program. thats just non-canonically nonsensicle. keep it in pipeline whenever possible. i dont have access here but if my memory serves me, on the far left set auto and fullscreen and thats it. looking forward to the rtgi video. ray tracing, imo, is the most beneficial in older titles. newer games mimic rt enough that nothings knocking you over, but in so many retro titles where they had no rt model to mimic, it can be completely transformative
Oh, it's not free and it's just more fake frames and scaling fuckery, yeah, practically useless, likely will be janky with some games. I'd rather just play these old games in their intended fps if their physics etc are tied to fps, or use custom patches, like silent with the GTA 3d trilogy, yeah, those 3 games are kinda ones of worst offenders, you go 60fps and above without silent and shit goes south. Not to mention i don't have any reason to go above 60 since my monitor only supports that afaik, and i don't really care to go for 120 in every game.
Valid points and it's why I've always loveed PC gaming over anything else, everyone can customise their experience to what suits them best.
K bro, you keep living in your cave there. This is just a test of concept not a decree. Relax.
How dare a passionate developer try to make a frame gen technology that less fortunate people can use so they don't have to upgrade. All that while having fleeing his country due to war. Man how dare he...
@ Did i say anything about the dev or people that use the app? I just stated my personal opinion and why i personally won't have any use for it. Calm the hell down it's not that deep.
@@TazAlonzostraw man fallacy = L
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4:20 this is not true!!! Borderless and windowed mode is only necessary for scaling. Framegen works perfectly fine on fullscreen mode!
I don't see anywhere saying thats possible, I'll have to try it!