I really like doing this, but use it as a low impact workout. Like was said here, its good for stabilisation, and muscle endurance especially on the positive phase.
You're mixing two different workouts... You work retraction also... Doing pull presses with the resistance bands ... Pull ups etc. You use everything at your😮 disposal... Every little bit helps... you don't not do one workout because you have to do another workout to work another muscle... Use them all
@@CoachQ773 this guy teaches boxing dont listen to him when it comes to training the body . he is all bro science and almost always horribly wrong . he think like a typical boxing coach from the early 90's . All training comes from boxing only , knows NOTHING about lifting , resistance or any other form of training and all opinions are based on wives tales or whats always been done in the boxing gym . zero science
Thanks for making this video bruva. I was just about to order the gyro shadow boxer pro. as a new boxer it looked enticing but there were lack of reviews on its effectiveness. this was the one I needed. saved me 60$.
I believe that there isn't any way possible to add resistance when shadowboxing that's significant enough to stimulate adaptations for speed or power unless you add the word endurance behind them.
Idk your opinion is valid or not, but i see many pro boxer doing resistance band for shadow boxing to train their straight punch, hook or uppercut. There is alot videos about it. Gervonta Davis and GGG is some boxer often using resistance band, and you can see these boxer has so much power in their hand. You have thoughts about that?
Yeah, they do nothing for power. I do think they have some benefit for speed, but only up to a point, generally for people who are out of shape and their lack of fitness is making them slow down really soon. This becomes a decent beginner drill until their endurance builds up a little bit, so for a couple of weeks. Love your Cardigan, looking sharp!
Excellent advice johnny and well explained! I see a lot of videos on social media showing the use of elastic bands, never used but always thought what Johny think of this method!🤔🤔🤔
@@expertboxing I'm guessing you feel similarly about the little 1 or 2 LB egg weights you can buy to shadow box with? I feel like they should have value from a shoulder conditioning standpoint as opposed to speed or power. If you can shadow box for a solid 10mins with 2LBs of resistance in each hand then theoretically you can go much longer with just your fists. Also, i was curious to see if you heard of not very well known tool called "Evnik"? its a light weight rubber tool that supposed to allow you to form boxer fist perfectly that adds resistance and lets you know if your hitting your target properly.
@@TsabaronSecron It's really silly mentality to try and add resistance to everything. Because many exercises and movements in boxing are about coordination moreso than strength. Sure...go ahead and add weights. You might FEEL like you're getting stronger. But all you're doing is jacking up your coordination and also taking away precious time from getting your hands used to moving at high speed. Some sprint workouts have you running UPHILL to add resistance. Makes sense, right? To make you work harder. But you know what else they do...have runners sprinting DOWNHILL. Why? To get your legs used to running faster and forcing your mind to coordinate all this at higher speeds. Shadowboxing is intended for HIGH SPEED and COORDINATION workout. So don't be an idiot by taking all the speed out of your speed workout. Jesus fucking christ...end rant. Hahahahah
I use them, it fatigues me quicker and i work through it maintaining good technique. Adding resistance will always improve or add strength or speed to a movement, thats how the body works
I fully believe these would help with speed, strength too as it's gonna tire out the delts faster due to the resistance like you mentioned. It's comparable to some baseball players swinging with a heavier bat during practice.
If you emphasize the pull back there is a danger that when you are fighting you'll "pull your punches " muscle memory if that's how you train that's how you'll fight ..
@@joeblogs-vx4ep I see, so there's no real way to train for that then is there? Im just doing stuff in my garden for now, DIY workouts if you will and was told resistance bands would be good, I've actually not used them since I wrote this comment haha
@@baldyorkshireman just stick the bands in front of you. Punch as hard as you can or like do your normal routine and pullback the bands (explosive ofc)
Hey bro, You had a blog called "How to Stop Wasting Energy" and at the end you said you will go into how to relax and really use your body later. Did you end up doing a follow up blog to that one? Lachy.
The delts usually get tired before the lats or back. That said, I would not use bands for shadowboxing. I would use them plyometrically, punch extended as starting position, retract as fast as possible and explode back out. I'd also anchor the strap to a wall behind me, so I can involve the legs, core and stance.
At the moment there is no study for this at least nothing i found with deep research. However, ive been looking at someone who does this with bands mostly loop bands. Not shadow boxing but hitting pads with it and working on straight punches. What helps is endurance and explosive power when it comes to full extension without hyper extension. When cutting to the end of the work out you drop the bands. For its mirrior set you would do the opposite. Tie the bands and work on retraction with the bands add some head movement as well. After 8 months he looks like he improved a lotm how much from the bands? Tough to say but it looks like there were good benifits specifically with his jab, i notice it was so crisp.
kinda makes sense but I used it sometimes to maximize the extend of my shoulders and the upper body rotation coz it makes you work that, not a very heavy band of course, I felt the effect but I get what you're saying
You make a good point but resistance bands do make your punches harder and faster and give you more stamina I don’t think improving technique is intended while wearing them but yeah like you said you need to bring your punch back quickly and the resistance bands do that for you which is why you shouldn’t be using resistance bands for your whole training session. I’m planning on getting resistance bands soon but I also have heavy gloves and weights to work on retracting faster.
Facts bro😂 been boxing 5 months and wanna know how i increased my punching power dramatically recently? Bicep curls. I did dips, bench, press, rows, chins and never done bicep curls and had strong foresrm snd triceps but under-developed biceps. F=mxa. More mass, more stability on my arm; a wayyyy more SOLID punch. I see so many people doing all this baloney workouts and they never ask themselves "what muscle group am I working?" 😅 they just say "gee, this looks like boxing". Neck trainging? Gtf outta here mana 😂😂
Is you crazy neck training stop your head from moving from the force the whiplash and biceps don’t help in boxing that’s only to pull things towards you
Try a conventional hands up style. See how that does. Then more Tyson ish or Mayweather ish styles. Don't worry about the style. See what fits your body. It might be a hybrid of multiple styles.
Thank you for advice one of the best chanel on UA-cam for boxing,this is why i prefer skipping rope and shadowboxing ,i have question do jumping rope increase foot speed and agility to?
Jumping rope improves lower body coordination and efficiency and that can help with foot speed and agility. But there are more specialized drills for foot speed and agility.
Your using them the wrong way . Punch and pull back resistance. Not pushing resistance. So tie them around a post , cut the band, grip both ends and punch, pull back.
Literal world champions use resistance bands instead of weights as it prevents over extension injury while training , also its literally scientifically proven to work .sooooo i duno man it honestly looks like your not even doing the movements correctly just to support your argument. lol Also resistance bands work you in both directions on the movement hence the name RESISTANCE so your wrong on that point since your still working during retraction of the punch if your keeping your form just like when your lifting weights lol. You straight up BRO SCIENCED this up . if you feel other wise here is a link to one of THE MOST decorated combat athletes that disagrees with you Gabriel Varga ua-cam.com/video/sTFOZFtcvS8/v-deo.html Also got a link of GSP in chamber .
I agree with you that this is not a good excercise if you rely only on it for developing the power of the punch. As you said it is a good excercise for developing part of the muscles used in the punch - triceps. But i would also add, that this excercise is good when you use it along with other excercises for increase of the power of the punch like : - landmine excercises ( especially good for hooks) - shadowboxing with light weights ( good for developing that shoulder strength that you talked about) - core exercises ( to stabilise your core, and transfer the power from the ground up ) P.S. your videos are great and fun to watch. Keep up the good work
Very hard to take seriously a guy who thinks fighters hold their hands up high when using resistance bands. Lol...is this literally the first very video you've ever seen of shadowboxing with resistance bands?
@@expertboxingi know nothing about boxing but i heard about something called wrist weights people say that training with them make your punches stronger is this true?
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I really like doing this, but use it as a low impact workout. Like was said here, its good for stabilisation, and muscle endurance especially on the positive phase.
Yes, for stabilization I like it. But not so much for generating explosive power like people try to do.
You're mixing two different workouts... You work retraction also... Doing pull presses with the resistance bands ... Pull ups etc. You use everything at your😮 disposal... Every little bit helps... you don't not do one workout because you have to do another workout to work another muscle... Use them all
@@CoachQ773 this guy teaches boxing dont listen to him when it comes to training the body . he is all bro science and almost always horribly wrong . he think like a typical boxing coach from the early 90's . All training comes from boxing only , knows NOTHING about lifting , resistance or any other form of training and all opinions are based on wives tales or whats always been done in the boxing gym . zero science
When I did it for Muay Thai these exercises are for conditioning and strength, not for technique or to simulate a real technique
Yeah resistance bands are generally not for technique.
Like what do u condition with a resistance band?
Thanks for making this video bruva. I was just about to order the gyro shadow boxer pro. as a new boxer it looked enticing but there were lack of reviews on its effectiveness. this was the one I needed. saved me 60$.
Wow. Great insight. Everything you said made sense. Thank you.
Frans Sand made a video on this. Perhaps this is the depth explanation that I needed. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I believe that there isn't any way possible to add resistance when shadowboxing that's significant enough to stimulate adaptations for speed or power unless you add the word endurance behind them.
There's logic to what you're saying.
Idk your opinion is valid or not, but i see many pro boxer doing resistance band for shadow boxing to train their straight punch, hook or uppercut. There is alot videos about it. Gervonta Davis and GGG is some boxer often using resistance band, and you can see these boxer has so much power in their hand. You have thoughts about that?
My video explains exactly how I feel about resistance bands FOR SHADOWBOXING. I'm not against training with resistance bands in general.
Yeah, they do nothing for power. I do think they have some benefit for speed, but only up to a point, generally for people who are out of shape and their lack of fitness is making them slow down really soon. This becomes a decent beginner drill until their endurance builds up a little bit, so for a couple of weeks. Love your Cardigan, looking sharp!
I’m with you!
Excellent advice johnny and well explained! I see a lot of videos on social media showing the use of elastic bands, never used but always thought what Johny think of this method!🤔🤔🤔
Thanks for the comment. And now you know! :)
@@expertboxing I'm guessing you feel similarly about the little 1 or 2 LB egg weights you can buy to shadow box with? I feel like they should have value from a shoulder conditioning standpoint as opposed to speed or power. If you can shadow box for a solid 10mins with 2LBs of resistance in each hand then theoretically you can go much longer with just your fists. Also, i was curious to see if you heard of not very well known tool called "Evnik"? its a light weight rubber tool that supposed to allow you to form boxer fist perfectly that adds resistance and lets you know if your hitting your target properly.
@@TsabaronSecron It's really silly mentality to try and add resistance to everything. Because many exercises and movements in boxing are about coordination moreso than strength. Sure...go ahead and add weights. You might FEEL like you're getting stronger. But all you're doing is jacking up your coordination and also taking away precious time from getting your hands used to moving at high speed.
Some sprint workouts have you running UPHILL to add resistance. Makes sense, right? To make you work harder. But you know what else they do...have runners sprinting DOWNHILL. Why? To get your legs used to running faster and forcing your mind to coordinate all this at higher speeds. Shadowboxing is intended for HIGH SPEED and COORDINATION workout. So don't be an idiot by taking all the speed out of your speed workout. Jesus fucking christ...end rant. Hahahahah
I use them, it fatigues me quicker and i work through it maintaining good technique. Adding resistance will always improve or add strength or speed to a movement, thats how the body works
I fully believe these would help with speed, strength too as it's gonna tire out the delts faster due to the resistance like you mentioned. It's comparable to some baseball players swinging with a heavier bat during practice.
Question! Would shadow boxing with weights but emphasisng the pull back help? Little weights of course
If you emphasize the pull back there is a danger that when you are fighting you'll "pull your punches " muscle memory if that's how you train that's how you'll fight ..
@@joeblogs-vx4ep I see, so there's no real way to train for that then is there? Im just doing stuff in my garden for now, DIY workouts if you will and was told resistance bands would be good, I've actually not used them since I wrote this comment haha
@@baldyorkshireman just stick the bands in front of you. Punch as hard as you can or like do your normal routine and pullback the bands (explosive ofc)
@@12alphlawrence17 that was my thoughts on it
Hey bro,
You had a blog called "How to Stop Wasting Energy" and at the end you said you will go into how to relax and really use your body later. Did you end up doing a follow up blog to that one?
Lachy.
Oh man...I THINK so.
@@expertboxing I have a feeling it might be Punching Power Secrets part 1 and 2 that are tied to that. Not 100% sure though.
The delts usually get tired before the lats or back. That said, I would not use bands for shadowboxing. I would use them plyometrically, punch extended as starting position, retract as fast as possible and explode back out. I'd also anchor the strap to a wall behind me, so I can involve the legs, core and stance.
At the moment there is no study for this at least nothing i found with deep research. However, ive been looking at someone who does this with bands mostly loop bands. Not shadow boxing but hitting pads with it and working on straight punches. What helps is endurance and explosive power when it comes to full extension without hyper extension. When cutting to the end of the work out you drop the bands. For its mirrior set you would do the opposite. Tie the bands and work on retraction with the bands add some head movement as well. After 8 months he looks like he improved a lotm how much from the bands? Tough to say but it looks like there were good benifits specifically with his jab, i notice it was so crisp.
How about wrist weights?
I have another video on that topic
@@expertboxing thanks lemme just cheak
Welcome back
thank you! good to see you :)
Should you drop the hips with tge jab
Yeah a little. You can see pros doing it all the time.
Where is your training facility?
This one is Power Boxing & Fitness in West Chicago.
kinda makes sense but I used it sometimes to maximize the extend of my shoulders and the upper body rotation coz it makes you work that, not a very heavy band of course, I felt the effect but I get what you're saying
You make a good point but resistance bands do make your punches harder and faster and give you more stamina I don’t think improving technique is intended while wearing them but yeah like you said you need to bring your punch back quickly and the resistance bands do that for you which is why you shouldn’t be using resistance bands for your whole training session. I’m planning on getting resistance bands soon but I also have heavy gloves and weights to work on retracting faster.
i think its ok to use just to change it up once in a blue moon ....
Most definitely. Gotta keep things fresh and fun.
I disgree with what u say
Facts bro😂 been boxing 5 months and wanna know how i increased my punching power dramatically recently? Bicep curls. I did dips, bench, press, rows, chins and never done bicep curls and had strong foresrm snd triceps but under-developed biceps. F=mxa. More mass, more stability on my arm; a wayyyy more SOLID punch. I see so many people doing all this baloney workouts and they never ask themselves "what muscle group am I working?" 😅 they just say "gee, this looks like boxing". Neck trainging? Gtf outta here mana 😂😂
Is you crazy neck training stop your head from moving from the force the whiplash and biceps don’t help in boxing that’s only to pull things towards you
I’m real short and most people have 12 inches on me what are some boxing styles i can use?
Pooky boo mike tysn style
Try a conventional hands up style. See how that does. Then more Tyson ish or Mayweather ish styles. Don't worry about the style. See what fits your body. It might be a hybrid of multiple styles.
canelo alvarez do resistance bands his a multi world champion boxer
Thank you for advice one of the best chanel on UA-cam for boxing,this is why i prefer skipping rope and shadowboxing ,i have question do jumping rope increase foot speed and agility to?
Jumping rope improves lower body coordination and efficiency and that can help with foot speed and agility. But there are more specialized drills for foot speed and agility.
Where your fb page can I have a link
You could search "ExpertBoxing" on Facebook.
@@expertboxing what if I don't have face book
@@neiltrocchia6026 well then I guess it don't matter...
Your using them the wrong way . Punch and pull back resistance. Not pushing resistance. So tie them around a post , cut the band, grip both ends and punch, pull back.
Oh lord. I'm critiquing them being used specifically in this way to demonstrate how and why this is wrong. (shaking my head at you)
The resistance bands do improve your speed and it helps u get use of punching alot
Literal world champions use resistance bands instead of weights as it prevents over extension injury while training , also its literally scientifically proven to work .sooooo i duno man it honestly looks like your not even doing the movements correctly just to support your argument. lol Also resistance bands work you in both directions on the movement hence the name RESISTANCE so your wrong on that point since your still working during retraction of the punch if your keeping your form just like when your lifting weights lol. You straight up BRO SCIENCED this up . if you feel other wise here is a link to one of THE MOST decorated combat athletes that disagrees with you Gabriel Varga ua-cam.com/video/sTFOZFtcvS8/v-deo.html Also got a link of GSP in chamber .
😂😂😂 @ your reply. That’s all I can say. You do you, man.
YOU READING MY MIND
hahahahaha
fully agree, thanks for breaking it down like this
amen!!!
Speed plus volume equals power.
Idk man I like the band
lmfaoooooooooo
Your speed gets way faster using these bands, so you are talking nonsens imao. Its not all nonsens but for some things its a very good tool!
I agree with you that this is not a good excercise if you rely only on it for developing the power of the punch.
As you said it is a good excercise for developing part of the muscles used in the punch - triceps.
But i would also add, that this excercise is good when you use it along with other excercises for increase of the power of the punch like :
- landmine excercises ( especially good for hooks)
- shadowboxing with light weights ( good for developing that shoulder strength that you talked about)
- core exercises ( to stabilise your core, and transfer the power from the ground up )
P.S. your videos are great and fun to watch.
Keep up the good work
Viva Cristo Rey!!!
👍
It's hard to take seriously a guy who is not protecting his face
Very hard to take seriously a guy who thinks fighters hold their hands up high when using resistance bands. Lol...is this literally the first very video you've ever seen of shadowboxing with resistance bands?
@@expertboxingi know nothing about boxing but i heard about something called wrist weights people say that training with them make your punches stronger is this true?
Johnny! 🥊