Thanks so much for the episode Scotty and Brian, you guys are the GOATs of Red Wings podcasting, really appreciate you guys staying up until 2 am doing an episode for us after an extremely frustrating and boring loss.
@@TheParadoxDestroyerto be fair, Walman didn’t look great last night. I still wish we had him on the wings, but he didn’t impress me on the other side of the ice. Vrana was a failure on the player, not the team. I’m glad he’s apparently healthy again and playing well, but that wasn’t an organizational problem
Watch you guys all the time. You where talking about this trip previously mentioning two other teams that should have been wins that where bottom feeders. It’s really starting to look like our wings are the bottom feeders. So disappointed so far this season. We need a quick turn around or this season may be over Christmas.
I have to say this is the most disappointed I’ve ever been in a Red Wings team. The city is dripping in winning spirit and these guys don’t seem to want a single part of it. I had a feeling they’d be worse than last year, but this feels like straight up lack of effort, and that is borderline offensive considering how much love and support they get.
I still can't believe we gave Jake walman up for nothing, our defence is terrible outside the top pair, goaltending has been keeping us from sinking further this season, we are so boring to watch, bring back last year's team, only highlight for me this season has been edvinson and kasper
Look around the league at the worst teams and they all have an ex-Red Wing that wasn’t working in the rebuild. Bert is on Chicago, Walman &Kostin on the Sharks, and Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist, and others bouncing around the leagues or washing out (Zedina). I just see the cycle repeating (sigh).
@@thestifmyster1 he's fucking awful when it comes to defending. If he worked as hard on his defense as he does dancing he'd be a Norris caliber defenseman
You don’t have the 28th best record in the league and get dominated by two of the four teams with worse records, have a completely boring team that plays with zero passion and survive as a coach and Lalonde definitely needs to go. That being said this is 100% on Yzerman. The job he has done putting together this team couldn’t be much worse
Lalonde has to go. Here is why: his post-game comments sound like "if we only do this one thing differently, we will be OK" when the whole system is not working.
“It’s low event hockey, but just for us.” - Scott Bentley quote of the day Honestly, I don’t think I’m going to watch any more games this season until the Wings can pull above .600 win percentage (which is very VERY unlikely). It’s just a waste of everyone’s time. Take the income away from the organization that we all love, maybe we can make the organization take a deep look at what what’s been done with the team and make some management personnel changes. Unacceptable for an Original 6 franchise. I feel like a fair weather fan, even though I’ve sat through every game for the last 12-13 years. Where’s the point where you just draw the line?
I live in the Central Time Zone and went to bed after the second period in the last two games. Such boring uninspired hockey. You can hear it in Larkin’s voice. He deserves better. Lalonde sounds the same no matter if he wins or loses. Just like a sad sound loop. Last season I could not wait for the next game, this year the opposite. Yzerman is to blame as well but the GM is always the second to do. Something has to change.
Its Stevie Y that needs to go. We went from being 2 D's away from being a playoff team and then we go to needing 4 D's and 2 forwards. One of the worst off seasons we have had. All that cap spaces gone with awful contracts.
Completely agree. Also, adding random people and dishing them out even when they’ve been solid pieces and endeared themselves to the city through insane plays or funny celly’s that show someone actually has a personality is exactly what you do if you want your players to walk on egg shells and never become a unit. Or always feel like they could be sent away at any time, what kind of player is able to focus and form confidence on a team like that?
List of Issues Larkin is overworked Moritz and Simon are the ONLY good DEF D-Cat is really good at hitting posts and missing empty nets Veleno can't "break out" for some reason but at least is trying Raymond seems like he is afraid to shoot the puck Kane and Tarasenko are ghosts of their peak performances Lyon can't catch pucks Husso is so/so but Red wings have lost faith in him Talbot is good but he can't stand up if he faced 40 shots a night. PK is terrible. PP is meh Wings are drawing penalties WIngs DEF players have the most penalties on the team.... Wings are too in love with shooting from the "slot" Wings are now not getting enough shots. Wings are being coached by Uncle Fester.
For a supposedly defensively focused structure based coach, he has managed to take this level of talent and produced the most disjointed looking defense, outside of the top line, I have seen in a number of years. This is CLEAR regression. Heads need to roll here and Lalonde is at the helm of this sinking ship.
Lalonde is ok as a person, as coach he's lost the room in my eyes. Even though, he has a very s#itty team to work with. He's gotta go. Asides from Edvidsson and Seider, 2/3 of Detroit's defense is absolute trash. Yzerman is to blame for that. Detroit has no defense prospects, other than ASP who's a year a way to graduate to Detroit. Yzerman has a lot of fixing to do. Yzerman has done a good job only on his 1st round draft picks so far as well as his contract negotiations with Larkin, Raymond and Seider. Everything else is mediocre at best, which isn't very good. Seider, Raymond, Buchelnikov, Edvidsson, Cossa, Mazur, Kasper, Lombardi, Danielson, ASP, Augustine, Finnie, Kiiskinen, MBN, maybe a few others look to be NHLers, if they all hit. Your looking at 2026-2027 for most of those to become full-time Red Wings players. That's 2 years plus from now. Detroit has been screwed in the draft, which isn't their fault. It looks like Detroit will be out of the playoffs by the trade deadline unless something drastically happens. Kane will be trade bait if this happens, Yzerman will look to garner a late first round draft pick for him. This rebuild has been too long for the Wings fans to handle. A lot has to change!!!
When and which team has had such success that all of their first draft picks end up in the NHL. The odds of someone being taken in the first round from #6-15 places is very small (2 digit number). It doesn't get higher if you get to choose between #16-32. DRW lacks depth in their ranks, they have tons of mediocre players, they completely lack any blue ship players and have no one from the USA youth team drafted who plays in the NHL in the last 6 years plus.
This system is for a bantam house team playing the local AA travel team, it isn’t for the top league in the world. You can see how frustrated Kane is during interviews. LaLonde loves to talk about players getting “looks”..his look needs to be over..I’ve seen enough.
After the way last season ended my hopes were so high. Now I’m deflated, just like this team. I found myself last night thinking about prospects and draft picks and free agents, and who on the current roster will still be here when the Wings are actually good Hint. It’s less than half the roster
I really feel for you guys. Bad enough to have to take this as a fan, but having to watch this to make a living is tough. Sorry Newsy, but you ARE the weakest link. This team is not THIS bad.
The Bad News - team gets outplayed often - PK sucks - bottom of standings The Good News - PP is good - kids getting better - Only 3 Points out of the wild card
Almost time for me to cancel espn+! I'll give it thru December. It's probably from becoming a fan when i was 13 and not knowing shit hockey for so long I'm beyond done with shit hockey. Fire the entire staff. It's our only hope Obi Won.
I dint understand the desire to be a fringe playoff tram so badly. We were a perennial 1st round exit before the rebuild and were in a huge rush to get back to 15th best innthe league as our ceiling. We got shafted by the lottery yes, but wernt good enough prospect wise to be conpetitive. As a result we missed out on Bedsrd, Celebrini, etc. Pieces that would have been what we actually needed to pair with Raymond, Seider, and Edvinson. Lost Walman due to the inflated cap paying washed vets. Doesnt make sense
I used to be pumped up for Red Wings hockey season every year. The last 4 years, I've cared less and less about the Red Wings. I went to 1 game in the new arena drove 5 hours and paid big bucks for glass seats. Only to get threatened to be kicked out for tapping the glass as they battled on the boards right in front of me 10 min into the game. Everything about the Red Wings is a joke. Last year, I had the game play in the background and would only look at the TV if I heard of a play being made. This year, I haven't watched half of their games yet. I really could care less. I can't even get my kids to watch the games because they find them very boring. That's sad as hell. And the Red Wings are the biggest joke in professional NA sports.... maybe even worldwide since they are a popular global team.
I think these “fans” have the shortest memory of all time. Everyone wanted to sign Raymond and Seider longer term. Yzerman did that. Everyone wanted to sign Kane. Yzerman did that. Everyone wanted Kasper, Johansson, Berggren, and Edvinsson on the roster. Yzerman did that. They needed depth down the middle. Yzerman did that with what was available. They needed right handed shooting defenseman. Yzerman did that with what was available. All these filler contracts are going to expire in the next couple of years, and then all the high level prospects are going to take over positions. Management continues to say they want these players together longterm. Say what you want about the coach, but management is doing what they said they were going to do from the get go. The problem is the Wings almost made the playoffs last year. So expectations were too high.
Time to send amateur scuts out to watch top draft picks. Lose to last place team in league is as low as it gets. Goal tending was brutal in SJ. Lack of effort is mind boggling.
Terrible road trip, great episode, Scotty with the quote of the day and Brian showing us some personality with us picturing him listening to papa roach in his bed with a pillow over his face 😂
Red wings and sharks came into the game with the two worst shot differentials in the league… and the wings got outshot by a truckload, yikes. Worst PK in the league. 2nd fewest shots in the league. 2nd fewest 5v5 goals. 5th worst expected goals for. I don’t expect this team to win the division… but this is so much worse than I could have ever guessed, and it’s only getting worse. Bye bye lalonde. Nobody will miss you.
I was there last night and the wings were totally out played. It was bad and all the wings fans that were there knew it. It was brutal. So brutal. They are broken.
Lalonde is an absolute atrocious hockey coach! He needs to be fired ASAP Steve Yzerman!!! I absolutely hate this lackluster loser Detroit Red Wings team! They are absolutely heartless & a heartless loser coach!!! 😡🤬😡🤬 #FIRELALONDE
Let’s look at the positives. Kasper has played well above his expected. Maybe not on the score sheet but all around play. Edvisson jumping on the top line and solidified himself as the go to guy on the left side. Also a bad year would remove Lalonde at some point. 2025 opens cap space and makes some of the bad contracts at least movable while players like asp might be ready to play. I would love to see 2025 with a better coach.
People can say the roster construction of the d core is bad out side the top 2. Ok. Yes I agree. Don’t no what happened this offseason. Maybe this maybe that. Who knows. But the offense on paper is actually pretty good. I can see top 10. This is where I blame Lalonde. I mean look at Raymond. 2 goals. He is a solid 30 goal scorer talent. That alone should tell people that Lalonde system does not work on this roster. Worst in shots against happen because no puck control in the offensive end.
So essentially what’s happened so far at best: 1. Barely don’t make the playoffs last year, lose essentially on a technicality 2. Marketing and PR lean into it to generate hype 3. Strat reality from management, we are transitioning to the real rebuild and developing our youngins 4. Doomers rinse repeat Guys, I’m starting to think there’s something wrong with society; we gotta lot of people living for the Red Wings😂 I believe cause Kasper, and our reliables are being reliable
At this point, the only way I put the wings game on is if I’m in bed, or at the dinner table. I have absolutely no motivation to watch this team or go to a game. Sad state of red wings hockey. Lalondes gotta go, this roster needs to be slightly sold and re tooled. Big draft for scoring and skill, might as well get one more high end draft pick and try again. Good thing I root for the capitals too, something positive and fun to watch and root for
Damn, it is tough to watch Brian and Scotty so dejected. It's been a tough season to watch. On the brighter side; GR is playing well, and they've been fun to watch so far! PS: By NO means was this Talbot's fault (although a couple softies tonight). Do we see Cossa in the NHL this year?
What happened from last year when they were kickin ass? The system didn’t change did it? 🤷🏻♂️ Are the players on strike? Should they coach themselves? 🤦🏼♂️
Actually we were bad analytically and shot at a crazy unsustainable rate. Second place wasn’t even close when it came to shooting percentage. It’s the same but it’s just catching up on top of our roster got worse losing walman and ghost on the back end
Lalonde’s system SUCKS. Man on man defensive zone coverage does not work. All they do is dump it up the boards constantly and every team in the league knows it and they’re ready for it. You can’t exit the zone with any momentum by chipping it up the boards. By the time they get to the neutral zone, there’s nowhere to go and usually there’s a turnover creating a scoring chance for the other team. Because of all that, there’s no easy entries or flow going into the offensive zone But, the opposing teams always have easy entries Into the wings zone. Their diamond PK scheme where they leave their position to attack the puck carrier is also a massive failure. People talk about the talent on this team. But how do you really know what you have until you have different coaching. If they still suck afterward, then you could say it’s the players.
Agree on the man on man in the d-zone. I don't understand that. It was really bad last night. Guys missing assignments allowing cross ice passes to open Sharks at the bottom of the circle. Or two guys confused on who to take allowing a Shark to streak down the middle. I kept asking myself "why tf is Ben Chiarot 3 strides away from the blue line chasing a guy without the puck, instead of being at home?" Or Petry chasing a guy to corner who doesn't have the puck, while Chiarot is tying up a guy, and since Petry isn't home someone sneaks in the back side and is at the edge of the crease. If I can see it at home on my couch, the video staff surely has to see what I'm seeing and provide feedback to the coaching staff, right?? Dont even get me started on the PK. Why do I see Lucas Raymond come from one board to the other to chase the puck, while Larkin stands in the middle, up top. Play the effing 4 max box zone on the PK.
This team has played with a lack of motivation and heart. There a lottery team. It’s time to change the coaching staff. The veterans on this team should be ashamed to wear the sweater. Definitely time for a change. Thank goodness for the kids in grand rapids, for next year.
We’re not going to see what this team is capable of until Newsy is gone. He’s sucking the life out of this team. This offseason has been brutal as well. Other than Talbot it’s been a disaster. Stevie didn’t sign Ghost or Perron so he might as well been a seller at the deadline last year.
Ok on the PP Detroit uses the middle of the ice.soon as they5on5 dump it in fight on the boards till they loss the puck everytime no shot.i seen 20 times someone open infront of net they chose wrap it around boards till they loose puck again
We are 3 points out of 3rd place in the division, which unfortunately will preserve Lalonde's and Yzerman's jobs for the foreseeable future. There needs to be change, and soon.
I agree. I figure Yzerman is doing a pretty darn good job in building this team. The promising young guys on the Griffins will be ready next year and the iffy veterans contracts will be over as well. No team is trading away superstar goalies, you only get one through the draft, looks like Cossa is becoming the wall we were hoping for. I like watching those Griffins highlights, gives you hope for the future. Sandin Pellika is going to be a puck moving superstar in the Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes type. Even Seider , he's just 23, 4 years away from his peak years. Edvinsson only 21! It takes time to build a solid contender. Now saying that there is a guy on the team that is really not pulling his weight - Joe Veleno, he's on pace for 16 points?! Well he's a big kid so if I was the coach I'd say "Veleno you ain't scoring so I want you to go out and hit everything that moves". We need a couple of guys on the Wings to make other teams dread playing against. Darren McCarty type guys.
Yzerman keeps signing one bad contract after another, there’s no excuse to have this little room in salary cap and be this bad. Just having promising young players isn’t good enough. There are only about 6 players on this team that are actually worth a damn.
5v5 goals for and against by game, the last 9 games... vs WPG 0-5 (Raymond top line) vs BUF 0-0 (Kane top line) @ CHI 3-1 (Kane top line) @ TOR 0-0 (Kane top line) vs NYR 0-2 (Raymond top line) @ PIT 1-2 (Raymond top line) @ ANA 1-3 (Raymond top line) @ LAK 0-3 (Raymond top line) @ SJS 2-3 (Raymond top line) Kane top line had the lineup winning 3-1 at 5v5 over its last 3 games. Raymond top line has the lineup losing 18-4 over its last 6 games. No top line is going to go crazy or work well w this system but the Kane one obviously had the team functioning best and most calmly and responsibly throughout the lineup. It is what it is. Nor btw does the Raymond top line just cause problems down the lineup, it literally gets beaten straight up by itself. That top line lost 5-2 in the 3 game road trip. The Kane line meanwhile won that Chicago game by itself. They have given up nothing against all year. Pat's been on the ice for only 6 GA at 5v5. Lalonde preaches defense and preventing goals but refuses to use the top line that does it and causes the whole lineup below them to do it too.
The players are playing the system the coach wants. Should they mutiny? Although think Chiarot has been in low key mutiny mode since he didn’t get moved at the trade deadline last year.
@ buddy Chariot is playing as good as he can. He’s trash, all of our D aside from Moritz and Simon would be lucky to get a roster spot on a competitive teman
Ill fix the redwings right now for free - Fire Lalonde, take Petry out behind the barn, let Rasmussen, Compher and Fischer get claimed on waivers, healthy scratch chiarot, Call up Danielson, Johannes and Mazur/Soderblom and walinder/Buium, recall buchelnikov and pelikka to GR. There maybe we will win some games.
Hey, Wayne Gretzky tried to coach....Maybe it's Steve Yzerman's turn ! If not STEVE., then hire Joel Quenneville now. Don't waite. Nothing is going to change. Don"t look a gift horse in the mouth !! You will increase our likelyhood to win each night by at least 50% instantly !!!
GET RID OF CHIAROT IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE GET RID OF CHIAROT - Stop using the coach as a scape goat as if we don't have terrible contracts with Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Compher and Copp. Not to mention a bad contract with Chiarot. Did I also mention we have a bad contract with Chiarot? Not only that, we also have a terrible defenseman in Chiarot.
This team sucks ass. I got grilled on Reddit in the beginning of the season for criticizing them, but I could immediately tell this team was straight garbage. We have to stop signing these 40 year old washed up players.
Lalonde aka Uncle Fester has to go. Period end of discussion. Problem lies the same as it does with our netminders. Who else? Who else available is going to make improvements? JQ as a coach seems unlikely. So who else? If I'm Stevie im thinking Larionov? Lindstrom? That would be Steves mindset. Right now a carnival barker woukd be better than LaLonde. Im not even going to get into the lines. Weed city. Shake shit up. We are not only going to miss the playoffs, we are not even going to be a wildcard. What say you lockedOn and fans alike?
I was high on Larionov before Lalonde ever took the spot behind the bench. I'd love The Professor himself guiding these guys. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Wings pulled a Tigers if this happened today.
If we get rid of Lalonde now, we might make the playoffs by 2026. That will officially make it 10 years in between. Last year's 2 worst teams manhandled us so far this year. Every other bad team has changed coaching when this level of suck has been reached. The Wings need motivation, and nothing motivates players like new coaching, and sitting.
NHL investigating 3 bar league hockey players, claiming the names of Larkin, Sieder, and Debrincat for impersonating NHL players. These three bar league hockey players are wanted for masterminding, the kidnapping and hiding away of a complete NHL hockey team. Replacing that team with a bunch of unskilled, out shot, out skated, out hustled, non hitting, undersized, cant compete, afraid of the puck, no defense whats so ever. No, power play, no pen kill, Swinging door to pen box. These three may have also brought along the most unresponsive, unemotional, lack of talent, coaching staff ever to be seen outside of bantam hockey! For reasons unknown, in the hockey world, the goalies from this kidnapped team may have been left behind to continue to take the embarrassment, and punishment brought to them by each and every other NHL team. Team GM, Steve Yzerman, a former player, may have also been kidnapped, hes no where to be found!
Sorry boys, you do a good job of covering this team and don't deserve to have to cover this crap, but let's be honest, this team is the S.O.L. of Hockey: a deadbeat owner who is more concerned about corporate sales in the suites and stands and nepotism with the organization than he is with his accountability to the fans. Fans should stop attending games or if they do put bags over their heads so it can be captured by national media, because the old man illitch would never let this happen and chris should be ashamed of doing NOTHING about this.
Same old comments. All these teams are in a parity league. There are 8 teams that have 7-8 wins. All these other teams must all " get outplayed" every night. Having the puck more than the other team doesn't mean you have been outplayed . Team Canada and Team Canada can get beat by Switzerland on any given night, boring but effective. How the coach counters and deploys his players can change the outcome. But how can you improve when you have Petry and Holl? Tough. Look at the other teams goals . Are they highlights NO. Just mostly luck. Wings have no luck. I hope after the weekend they have passed all the other teams that have 7 or 8 wins. Possible if the Wings can figure it out. Win or lose the comments will still be the same.
Lalonde needs to go since middle of last season! I knew he was a loser then! Just Lalonde would be fired & one of the assistant coaches would fill in until Yzerman brings in a real head coach who has experience in the NHL that has proven success as a Head Coach!
Tired of hearing fire the coach. He didn’t pick this team! SY is the architect who has FK this up. Bad free agent signings. Gustafson , Holl, Petry, Must I go on.
Petry wasn't a free agent signing. they traded a young defenseman (who is better than Petry) and a 4th round pick to acquire him. The Holl and Gustafson contracts are fine and both expire next year. Holl is one of 3 Red Wing players with a positive +/-. He's fine. He had a bad turnover last night but it didn't lead to a goal. The problem with our blueline is that the front office signed Ben Chariot thinking he would add a physical presence to the blueline and hes been a trashcan. The puck that went off Talbots glove last night was because Ben Chariot BOTH screened his goalie and made ZERO attempt to block a shot he easily could have blocked. I took it frame by frame. Talbot didnt see the puck until it had already passed between Chariots legs. He didn't have time to extend his glove. That shot wasn't on Talbot it was on Chariot being lazy AGAIN in the defensive zone. The Chariot and Petry acquisitions destroyed our blueline until after next year when Chariot is finally gone.
Look at schedule in the next ten they may go 2-8. This team doesnt want to ay for this bozo. Its clear as day. The fact he doesnt address the team after games means its a management vs players work environment. This guy hasnt been good since the beginning. What system is he supposed to be running? One so complicated in 3 years you can run it let alone master it? Ive been saying it for a year Lalonde has to go.
😢 spending 10K$ going to Detroit with my family to see 4 games in december.. last time was 2016 and the Wings lost all 3 games and scored 1! goal total in those games. This cant happend again. Make a change!!!
Thanks so much for the episode Scotty and Brian, you guys are the GOATs of Red Wings podcasting, really appreciate you guys staying up until 2 am doing an episode for us after an extremely frustrating and boring loss.
Let's look on the bright side, at least we didn't get hit with a Griddy
Yeh, Walman and Gostesbierre are having such a rough time not playing for the Wings. Vrana as well. So sad.
Lol so true
@@TheParadoxDestroyerto be fair, Walman didn’t look great last night. I still wish we had him on the wings, but he didn’t impress me on the other side of the ice. Vrana was a failure on the player, not the team. I’m glad he’s apparently healthy again and playing well, but that wasn’t an organizational problem
@@richhogg8074 yeah we got a slap in the face not a dance. So much better
@@TheParadoxDestroyervrana is on his second team since leaving the wings and isn’t playing great
I was calling for Newsys job a year ago. This isnt working, too much square peg round hole.
Watch you guys all the time. You where talking about this trip previously mentioning two other teams that should have been wins that where bottom feeders. It’s really starting to look like our wings are the bottom feeders. So disappointed so far this season. We need a quick turn around or this season may be over Christmas.
I have to say this is the most disappointed I’ve ever been in a Red Wings team. The city is dripping in winning spirit and these guys don’t seem to want a single part of it. I had a feeling they’d be worse than last year, but this feels like straight up lack of effort, and that is borderline offensive considering how much love and support they get.
I still can't believe we gave Jake walman up for nothing, our defence is terrible outside the top pair, goaltending has been keeping us from sinking further this season, we are so boring to watch, bring back last year's team, only highlight for me this season has been edvinson and kasper
Look around the league at the worst teams and they all have an ex-Red Wing that wasn’t working in the rebuild. Bert is on Chicago, Walman &Kostin on the Sharks, and Mantha, Tatar, Nyquist, and others bouncing around the leagues or washing out (Zedina). I just see the cycle repeating (sigh).
Cap issues
Just because Walman dances around on the ice doesn’t make him a reliable defender.
@@thestifmyster1 he's fucking awful when it comes to defending. If he worked as hard on his defense as he does dancing he'd be a Norris caliber defenseman
Yzerman is the problem..
You don’t have the 28th best record in the league and get dominated by two of the four teams with worse records, have a completely boring team that plays with zero passion and survive as a coach and Lalonde definitely needs to go.
That being said this is 100% on Yzerman. The job he has done putting together this team couldn’t be much worse
Lalonde has to go. Here is why: his post-game comments sound like "if we only do this one thing differently, we will be OK" when the whole system is not working.
“It’s low event hockey, but just for us.”
- Scott Bentley quote of the day
Honestly, I don’t think I’m going to watch any more games this season until the Wings can pull above .600 win percentage (which is very VERY unlikely). It’s just a waste of everyone’s time. Take the income away from the organization that we all love, maybe we can make the organization take a deep look at what what’s been done with the team and make some management personnel changes. Unacceptable for an Original 6 franchise. I feel like a fair weather fan, even though I’ve sat through every game for the last 12-13 years. Where’s the point where you just draw the line?
I live in the Central Time Zone and went to bed after the second period in the last two games. Such boring uninspired hockey. You can hear it in Larkin’s voice. He deserves better. Lalonde sounds the same no matter if he wins or loses. Just like a sad sound loop. Last season I could not wait for the next game, this year the opposite. Yzerman is to blame as well but the GM is always the second to do. Something has to change.
Yzerman neglected the defense all offseason and everyone knew it was going to be a disaster. Everyone but him, apparently.
He's actively made it worse by letting go Ghost, paying to let Wally go, and trading Maata. Head scratcher for me...
FIRE DEREK LALONDE
We used to look forward to West Coast trips, knowing the team would return in contention for a playoff slot.
Not this year.
Its Stevie Y that needs to go. We went from being 2 D's away from being a playoff team and then we go to needing 4 D's and 2 forwards. One of the worst off seasons we have had. All that cap spaces gone with awful contracts.
Completely agree. Also, adding random people and dishing them out even when they’ve been solid pieces and endeared themselves to the city through insane plays or funny celly’s that show someone actually has a personality is exactly what you do if you want your players to walk on egg shells and never become a unit.
Or always feel like they could be sent away at any time, what kind of player is able to focus and form confidence on a team like that?
So true
When the hell was Detroit ‘2 D’a away from being a playoff team’? They’ve been pure garbage since like 2013
@@markusk1015 you might have missed it but they were 1 point away from the plays offs last year
Seider-walman
Edvinsson-maata
Petry-chariot
Ghost
Was way better than what we have now.
List of Issues
Larkin is overworked
Moritz and Simon are the ONLY good DEF
D-Cat is really good at hitting posts and missing empty nets
Veleno can't "break out" for some reason but at least is trying
Raymond seems like he is afraid to shoot the puck
Kane and Tarasenko are ghosts of their peak performances
Lyon can't catch pucks
Husso is so/so but Red wings have lost faith in him
Talbot is good but he can't stand up if he faced 40 shots a night.
PK is terrible.
PP is meh
Wings are drawing penalties
WIngs DEF players have the most penalties on the team....
Wings are too in love with shooting from the "slot"
Wings are now not getting enough shots.
Wings are being coached by Uncle Fester.
You could have saved a lot of time by just typing we have Chiarot as a defenseman and summed up one of the biggest problems
"Today on Locked on Red Wings.....Endless pain" 😂😂😂
For a supposedly defensively focused structure based coach, he has managed to take this level of talent and produced the most disjointed looking defense, outside of the top line, I have seen in a number of years. This is CLEAR regression. Heads need to roll here and Lalonde is at the helm of this sinking ship.
My condolences on having to watch this team. The Yzerman plan is a bust.
Lalonde lost the team last year when Larkin was laid out on the ice. He didn’t back Larkin or Perron and I said he had to go then.
Yzerman's moves over the summer have ruined this team. Yes, they need better coaching, but the ultimate blame lands with the front office.
Do you want the prospects to come up and play or not?
@thestifmyster1 what prospects? a couple of first round picks. His drafting has been pretty terrible
Lalonde is ok as a person, as coach he's lost the room in my eyes. Even though, he has a very s#itty team to work with. He's gotta go. Asides from Edvidsson and Seider, 2/3 of Detroit's defense is absolute trash. Yzerman is to blame for that. Detroit has no defense prospects, other than ASP who's a year a way to graduate to Detroit. Yzerman has a lot of fixing to do. Yzerman has done a good job only on his 1st round draft picks so far as well as his contract negotiations with Larkin, Raymond and Seider. Everything else is mediocre at best, which isn't very good. Seider, Raymond, Buchelnikov, Edvidsson, Cossa, Mazur, Kasper, Lombardi, Danielson, ASP, Augustine, Finnie, Kiiskinen, MBN, maybe a few others look to be NHLers, if they all hit. Your looking at 2026-2027 for most of those to become full-time Red Wings players. That's 2 years plus from now. Detroit has been screwed in the draft, which isn't their fault. It looks like Detroit will be out of the playoffs by the trade deadline unless something drastically happens. Kane will be trade bait if this happens, Yzerman will look to garner a late first round draft pick for him. This rebuild has been too long for the Wings fans to handle. A lot has to change!!!
When and which team has had such success that all of their first draft picks end up in the NHL. The odds of someone being taken in the first round from #6-15 places is very small (2 digit number). It doesn't get higher if you get to choose between #16-32.
DRW lacks depth in their ranks, they have tons of mediocre players, they completely lack any blue ship players and have no one from the USA youth team drafted who plays in the NHL in the last 6 years plus.
Lalonde aint the guy for a Kane/tarasenko offense. he's a rebuild guy, if this is your offense, find a coach for it
On Today's Show: Pain
This whole season can be summed up as "I spent the day in a meeting that should have been an email"
Yzerman does NOT have to go! But LALONDE must go !! It's a shame, because I was rooting for him ! Unfortunately he was in way over his head !!
I’m a Cleveland guy, I’ve been a wings fan, my whole life. Are the Lions taking applications?
We're so back (to tanking)
This system is for a bantam house team playing the local AA travel team, it isn’t for the top league in the world. You can see how frustrated Kane is during interviews. LaLonde loves to talk about players getting “looks”..his look needs to be over..I’ve seen enough.
After the way last season ended my hopes were so high. Now I’m deflated, just like this team. I found myself last night thinking about prospects and draft picks and free agents, and who on the current roster will still be here when the Wings are actually good
Hint. It’s less than half the roster
If you look at the rebuild compared to I-75 repair projects he's way ahead of schedule and way under budget. Steve's working for MDOT.
Every expressway in this state is shut down for some sort of construction! Haha
I really feel for you guys. Bad enough to have to take this as a fan, but having to watch this to make a living is tough. Sorry Newsy, but you ARE the weakest link. This team is not THIS bad.
I’m sure this isn’t there main job
The Bad News
- team gets outplayed often
- PK sucks
- bottom of standings
The Good News
- PP is good
- kids getting better
- Only 3 Points out of the wild card
The Wings flat out blow. They stink. They wreak. These guys don't deserve to be anywhere near an NHL arena.
Almost time for me to cancel espn+! I'll give it thru December. It's probably from becoming a fan when i was 13 and not knowing shit hockey for so long I'm beyond done with shit hockey. Fire the entire staff. It's our only hope Obi Won.
I dint understand the desire to be a fringe playoff tram so badly. We were a perennial 1st round exit before the rebuild and were in a huge rush to get back to 15th best innthe league as our ceiling. We got shafted by the lottery yes, but wernt good enough prospect wise to be conpetitive. As a result we missed out on Bedsrd, Celebrini, etc. Pieces that would have been what we actually needed to pair with Raymond, Seider, and Edvinson. Lost Walman due to the inflated cap paying washed vets. Doesnt make sense
Exactly. Best case scenario Detroit gets swept in the first round. They need to tank and stack top 5 picks for a long time
I used to be pumped up for Red Wings hockey season every year. The last 4 years, I've cared less and less about the Red Wings. I went to 1 game in the new arena drove 5 hours and paid big bucks for glass seats. Only to get threatened to be kicked out for tapping the glass as they battled on the boards right in front of me 10 min into the game. Everything about the Red Wings is a joke. Last year, I had the game play in the background and would only look at the TV if I heard of a play being made. This year, I haven't watched half of their games yet. I really could care less. I can't even get my kids to watch the games because they find them very boring. That's sad as hell. And the Red Wings are the biggest joke in professional NA sports.... maybe even worldwide since they are a popular global team.
I think these “fans” have the shortest memory of all time.
Everyone wanted to sign Raymond and Seider longer term.
Yzerman did that.
Everyone wanted to sign Kane. Yzerman did that.
Everyone wanted Kasper, Johansson, Berggren, and Edvinsson on the roster.
Yzerman did that.
They needed depth down the middle. Yzerman did that with what was available.
They needed right handed shooting defenseman. Yzerman did that with what was available.
All these filler contracts are going to expire in the next couple of years, and then all the high level prospects are going to take over positions. Management continues to say they want these players together longterm.
Say what you want about the coach, but management is doing what they said they were going to do from the get go. The problem is the Wings almost made the playoffs last year. So expectations were too high.
Yzerman should just be head coach. Who wouldnt want that
You said it, Lalonde is not the guy for a b KANE, TERADANKO, DEBRINCAT OFFENSE. But you know who is? JOEL QUENNEVILLE, that is who !!! It's PROVEN !
Time to send amateur scuts out to watch top draft picks. Lose to last place team in league is as low as it gets. Goal tending was brutal in SJ. Lack of effort is mind boggling.
Already have to rebuild the rebuild
Maybe I’m old, but bend don’t break reminds me of the Lions Wayne Fontes era with the Run & shoot that was supposed to win. It didn’t.
Hang in there boys, we appreciate you.
No wonder why the fans at home chant Jared Goff. It’s the only thing worth cheering for at Wings games.
at least we got the LIONs
maybe Dan Campbell has a brother or cousin that can coach the Wings
Dump and chase, more like dumb and waste.
Terrible road trip, great episode, Scotty with the quote of the day and Brian showing us some personality with us picturing him listening to papa roach in his bed with a pillow over his face 😂
Yzerman needs to resign
Agree. Top down needs to be gone.
Red wings and sharks came into the game with the two worst shot differentials in the league… and the wings got outshot by a truckload, yikes. Worst PK in the league. 2nd fewest shots in the league. 2nd fewest 5v5 goals. 5th worst expected goals for. I don’t expect this team to win the division… but this is so much worse than I could have ever guessed, and it’s only getting worse. Bye bye lalonde. Nobody will miss you.
Our team sucks compared to last year.
This team was this bad last year too. You missed it because their shooting percentage was unsustainably high. They are not a talented possession team.
I said the Wings would be terrible right from preseason. I got called out for that outlook. I said Tarasenko wouldn’t score much and he hasn’t.
Same dude! I said we looked really awful during the preseason but everyone kept saying “oh it’s only preseason it doesn’t matter” well…here we are…
No one has scored much outside of Larkin. Lalonde system does not work.
@@JackConrad-e4v d-cat and larks
I was there last night and the wings were totally out played. It was bad and all the wings fans that were there knew it. It was brutal. So brutal. They are broken.
Steve kept blashill way too long too. He'll keep newsy till Christmas for sure
Lalonde is an absolute atrocious hockey coach! He needs to be fired ASAP Steve Yzerman!!! I absolutely hate this lackluster loser Detroit Red Wings team! They are absolutely heartless & a heartless loser coach!!! 😡🤬😡🤬
#FIRELALONDE
You obviously care about the Wings. Maybe more than the coach.
I agree on the shots. With 3 closing on the net, don't look for a pass. Look to score.
Let’s look at the positives. Kasper has played well above his expected. Maybe not on the score sheet but all around play. Edvisson jumping on the top line and solidified himself as the go to guy on the left side. Also a bad year would remove Lalonde at some point. 2025 opens cap space and makes some of the bad contracts at least movable while players like asp might be ready to play. I would love to see 2025 with a better coach.
I think Lalonde will be a successful NHL coach two teams from now
People can say the roster construction of the d core is bad out side the top 2. Ok. Yes I agree. Don’t no what happened this offseason. Maybe this maybe that. Who knows. But the offense on paper is actually pretty good. I can see top 10. This is where I blame Lalonde. I mean look at Raymond. 2 goals. He is a solid 30 goal scorer talent. That alone should tell people that Lalonde system does not work on this roster. Worst in shots against happen because no puck control in the offensive end.
I think the Sharks got something cooking
That’s what I was saying. This much talent should not be horrible. This is bad! Look at our roster! WTF! Fire this coach!
So essentially what’s happened so far at best:
1. Barely don’t make the playoffs last year, lose essentially on a technicality
2. Marketing and PR lean into it to generate hype
3. Strat reality from management, we are transitioning to the real rebuild and developing our youngins
4. Doomers rinse repeat
Guys, I’m starting to think there’s something wrong with society; we gotta lot of people living for the Red Wings😂 I believe cause Kasper, and our reliables are being reliable
It's about one thing: W's
At this point, the only way I put the wings game on is if I’m in bed, or at the dinner table. I have absolutely no motivation to watch this team or go to a game. Sad state of red wings hockey. Lalondes gotta go, this roster needs to be slightly sold and re tooled. Big draft for scoring and skill, might as well get one more high end draft pick and try again. Good thing I root for the capitals too, something positive and fun to watch and root for
Damn, it is tough to watch Brian and Scotty so dejected.
It's been a tough season to watch. On the brighter side; GR is playing well, and they've been fun to watch so far!
PS: By NO means was this Talbot's fault (although a couple softies tonight). Do we see Cossa in the NHL this year?
When your goalie let's in a couple of bad ones it is his fault.This game should not have even went to overtime
A rebuild that replicates molasses.
What happened from last year when they were kickin ass?
The system didn’t change did it? 🤷🏻♂️
Are the players on strike?
Should they coach themselves? 🤦🏼♂️
Actually we were bad analytically and shot at a crazy unsustainable rate. Second place wasn’t even close when it came to shooting percentage. It’s the same but it’s just catching up on top of our roster got worse losing walman and ghost on the back end
We got lucky last season and outscored our problems
This season we lost lots of depth scoring and also regressing to the mean for shooting percentage
What exactly is the Yzerplan? Does anyone know? This is a serious question.
Lalonde’s system SUCKS. Man on man defensive zone coverage does not work. All they do is dump it up the boards constantly and every team in the league knows it and they’re ready for it. You can’t exit the zone with any momentum by chipping it up the boards. By the time they get to the neutral zone, there’s nowhere to go and usually there’s a turnover creating a scoring chance for the other team. Because of all that, there’s no easy entries or flow going into the offensive zone But, the opposing teams always have easy entries Into the wings zone. Their diamond PK scheme where they leave their position to attack the puck carrier is also a massive failure. People talk about the talent on this team. But how do you really know what you have until you have different coaching. If they still suck afterward, then you could say it’s the players.
Agree on the man on man in the d-zone. I don't understand that. It was really bad last night. Guys missing assignments allowing cross ice passes to open Sharks at the bottom of the circle. Or two guys confused on who to take allowing a Shark to streak down the middle. I kept asking myself "why tf is Ben Chiarot 3 strides away from the blue line chasing a guy without the puck, instead of being at home?" Or Petry chasing a guy to corner who doesn't have the puck, while Chiarot is tying up a guy, and since Petry isn't home someone sneaks in the back side and is at the edge of the crease. If I can see it at home on my couch, the video staff surely has to see what I'm seeing and provide feedback to the coaching staff, right??
Dont even get me started on the PK. Why do I see Lucas Raymond come from one board to the other to chase the puck, while Larkin stands in the middle, up top. Play the effing 4 max box zone on the PK.
Crazy question: Would you consider this a successful season, if at the end of the day, the Wings landed the 1st overall draft pick?
This team has played with a lack of motivation and heart. There a lottery team. It’s time to change the coaching staff. The veterans on this team should be ashamed to wear the sweater. Definitely time for a change. Thank goodness for the kids in grand rapids, for next year.
The Cali trip was just embarrassing.
Fire Lalonde
We’re not going to see what this team is capable of until Newsy is gone. He’s sucking the life out of this team. This offseason has been brutal as well. Other than Talbot it’s been a disaster. Stevie didn’t sign Ghost or Perron so he might as well been a seller at the deadline last year.
Scotty you gotta let Brian finish his sentences, every episode he gets cut off mid thought it’s hard to hear what Brian is saying.
Ok on the PP Detroit uses the middle of the ice.soon as they5on5 dump it in fight on the boards till they loss the puck everytime no shot.i seen 20 times someone open infront of net they chose wrap it around boards till they loose puck again
We are 3 points out of 3rd place in the division, which unfortunately will preserve Lalonde's and Yzerman's jobs for the foreseeable future. There needs to be change, and soon.
Someone needs to pack their shit. Lalond
100% they were outplayed!!
Everyone is overreacting. Clearly, the Ducks and Sharks are just farther along in their rebuilds than the Wings. Patience people.. 😂🤦♂😂
True I’m sick of all the dooming. We had no chance against these teams who are early in their rebuild when we haven’t even started ours yet
Respectfully, it's been 6 years. Continuing to support this mediocre hockey will produce no changes and more dead things hockey.
I agree. I figure Yzerman is doing a pretty darn good job in building this team. The promising young guys on the Griffins will be ready next year and the iffy veterans contracts will be over as well. No team is trading away superstar goalies, you only get one through the draft, looks like Cossa is becoming the wall we were hoping for. I like watching those Griffins highlights, gives you hope for the future. Sandin Pellika is going to be a puck moving superstar in the Cale Makar or Quinn Hughes type. Even Seider , he's just 23, 4 years away from his peak years. Edvinsson only 21! It takes time to build a solid contender. Now saying that there is a guy on the team that is really not pulling his weight - Joe Veleno, he's on pace for 16 points?! Well he's a big kid so if I was the coach I'd say "Veleno you ain't scoring so I want you to go out and hit everything that moves". We need a couple of guys on the Wings to make other teams dread playing against. Darren McCarty type guys.
Yzerman keeps signing one bad contract after another, there’s no excuse to have this little room in salary cap and be this bad. Just having promising young players isn’t good enough. There are only about 6 players on this team that are actually worth a damn.
Your sarcasm might be funny if we weren't truly this awful
5v5 goals for and against by game, the last 9 games...
vs WPG 0-5 (Raymond top line)
vs BUF 0-0 (Kane top line)
@ CHI 3-1 (Kane top line)
@ TOR 0-0 (Kane top line)
vs NYR 0-2 (Raymond top line)
@ PIT 1-2 (Raymond top line)
@ ANA 1-3 (Raymond top line)
@ LAK 0-3 (Raymond top line)
@ SJS 2-3 (Raymond top line)
Kane top line had the lineup winning 3-1 at 5v5 over its last 3 games.
Raymond top line has the lineup losing 18-4 over its last 6 games.
No top line is going to go crazy or work well w this system but the Kane one obviously had the team functioning best and most calmly and responsibly throughout the lineup. It is what it is. Nor btw does the Raymond top line just cause problems down the lineup, it literally gets beaten straight up by itself. That top line lost 5-2 in the 3 game road trip. The Kane line meanwhile won that Chicago game by itself. They have given up nothing against all year. Pat's been on the ice for only 6 GA at 5v5. Lalonde preaches defense and preventing goals but refuses to use the top line that does it and causes the whole lineup below them to do it too.
Kinda outstanding that there is no blame on Yzerman and the players. The players are just not above average this year. Terrible team
The players are playing the system the coach wants. Should they mutiny?
Although think Chiarot has been in low key mutiny mode since he didn’t get moved at the trade deadline last year.
@ buddy Chariot is playing as good as he can. He’s trash, all of our D aside from Moritz and Simon would be lucky to get a roster spot on a competitive teman
Ill fix the redwings right now for free - Fire Lalonde, take Petry out behind the barn, let Rasmussen, Compher and Fischer get claimed on waivers, healthy scratch chiarot, Call up Danielson, Johannes and Mazur/Soderblom and walinder/Buium, recall buchelnikov and pelikka to GR. There maybe we will win some games.
Hey, Wayne Gretzky tried to coach....Maybe it's Steve Yzerman's turn ! If not STEVE., then hire Joel Quenneville now. Don't waite. Nothing is going to change. Don"t look a gift horse in the mouth !! You will increase our likelyhood to win each night by at least 50% instantly !!!
GET RID OF CHIAROT IF YOU DO NOTHING ELSE GET RID OF CHIAROT - Stop using the coach as a scape goat as if we don't have terrible contracts with Chiarot, Petry, Holl, Compher and Copp. Not to mention a bad contract with Chiarot. Did I also mention we have a bad contract with Chiarot? Not only that, we also have a terrible defenseman in Chiarot.
Theyre playing to get him fired. It’s despicable. Can’t wait to pick sixth in the draft again.
This team sucks ass. I got grilled on Reddit in the beginning of the season for criticizing them, but I could immediately tell this team was straight garbage. We have to stop signing these 40 year old washed up players.
Reddit is a cesspool of Yzerplan d-riders
How about those griffins
Lalonde aka Uncle Fester has to go. Period end of discussion. Problem lies the same as it does with our netminders. Who else? Who else available is going to make improvements? JQ as a coach seems unlikely. So who else? If I'm Stevie im thinking Larionov? Lindstrom? That would be Steves mindset. Right now a carnival barker woukd be better than LaLonde. Im not even going to get into the lines. Weed city. Shake shit up. We are not only going to miss the playoffs, we are not even going to be a wildcard. What say you lockedOn and fans alike?
I was high on Larionov before Lalonde ever took the spot behind the bench. I'd love The Professor himself guiding these guys. I wouldn't even be surprised if the Wings pulled a Tigers if this happened today.
Griffins are first in their Division fyi
If we get rid of Lalonde now, we might make the playoffs by 2026. That will officially make it 10 years in between. Last year's 2 worst teams manhandled us so far this year. Every other bad team has changed coaching when this level of suck has been reached. The Wings need motivation, and nothing motivates players like new coaching, and sitting.
Defensive lapses shoddy goaltending and two blown leads.
Something have to give.
*has
NHL investigating 3 bar league hockey players, claiming the names of Larkin, Sieder, and Debrincat for impersonating NHL players. These three bar league hockey players are wanted for masterminding, the kidnapping and hiding away of a complete NHL hockey team. Replacing that team with a bunch of unskilled, out shot, out skated, out hustled, non hitting, undersized, cant compete, afraid of the puck, no defense whats so ever. No, power play, no pen kill, Swinging door to pen box. These three may have also brought along the most unresponsive, unemotional, lack of talent, coaching staff ever to be seen outside of bantam hockey! For reasons unknown, in the hockey world, the goalies from this kidnapped team may have been left behind to continue to take the embarrassment, and punishment brought to them by each and every other NHL team. Team GM, Steve Yzerman, a former player, may have also been kidnapped, hes no where to be found!
Sorry boys, you do a good job of covering this team and don't deserve to have to cover this crap, but let's be honest, this team is the S.O.L. of Hockey: a deadbeat owner who is more concerned about corporate sales in the suites and stands and nepotism with the organization than he is with his accountability to the fans. Fans should stop attending games or if they do put bags over their heads so it can be captured by national media, because the old man illitch would never let this happen and chris should be ashamed of doing NOTHING about this.
Locked on SHIT!!!
They have looked lethargic most of the season. Not a very good watch right now.
So are the Wings going to tank now?
They have tanked😢
Coach needs to go
Same old comments. All these teams are in a parity league. There are 8 teams that have 7-8 wins. All these other teams must all " get outplayed" every night. Having the puck more than the other team doesn't mean you have been outplayed . Team Canada and Team Canada can get beat by Switzerland on any given night, boring but effective.
How the coach counters and deploys his players can change the outcome. But how can you improve when you have Petry and Holl? Tough.
Look at the other teams goals . Are they highlights NO. Just mostly luck. Wings have no luck. I hope after the weekend they have passed all the other teams that have 7 or 8 wins. Possible if the Wings can figure it out.
Win or lose the comments will still be the same.
If lalonde goes can the rest of the coaching staff go with him?
Lalonde needs to go since middle of last season! I knew he was a loser then! Just Lalonde would be fired & one of the assistant coaches would fill in until Yzerman brings in a real head coach who has experience in the NHL that has proven success as a Head Coach!
Maybe keep the PP coach.
Tired of hearing fire the coach. He didn’t pick this team! SY is the architect who has FK this up. Bad free agent signings. Gustafson , Holl, Petry, Must I go on.
Petry wasn't a free agent signing. they traded a young defenseman (who is better than Petry) and a 4th round pick to acquire him. The Holl and Gustafson contracts are fine and both expire next year. Holl is one of 3 Red Wing players with a positive +/-. He's fine. He had a bad turnover last night but it didn't lead to a goal. The problem with our blueline is that the front office signed Ben Chariot thinking he would add a physical presence to the blueline and hes been a trashcan. The puck that went off Talbots glove last night was because Ben Chariot BOTH screened his goalie and made ZERO attempt to block a shot he easily could have blocked. I took it frame by frame. Talbot didnt see the puck until it had already passed between Chariots legs. He didn't have time to extend his glove. That shot wasn't on Talbot it was on Chariot being lazy AGAIN in the defensive zone. The Chariot and Petry acquisitions destroyed our blueline until after next year when Chariot is finally gone.
Look at schedule in the next ten they may go 2-8. This team doesnt want to ay for this bozo. Its clear as day. The fact he doesnt address the team after games means its a management vs players work environment. This guy hasnt been good since the beginning. What system is he supposed to be running? One so complicated in 3 years you can run it let alone master it? Ive been saying it for a year Lalonde has to go.
😢 spending 10K$ going to Detroit with my family to see 4 games in december.. last time was 2016 and the Wings lost all 3 games and scored 1! goal total in those games. This cant happend again. Make a change!!!