I’m a 71 year-old non-sailer so my opinions are of limited worth, but I found your video both informative and really enjoyable. Thank you! I’ll be back!
Wife and I have been contemplating selling our house and property. We can afford to pay a boat off, and I am a disabled veteran so I can afford monthly fees and maintenance. It's your reviews that actually make sense that really help other humans. So many people review things and they know nothing about it. They just review what the counters and couches look like. Thank you for your content. It is really helping us guide our decisions for the next chapter of our lives.
When you sell your house, don’t buy a trimaran, buy a catamaran. Trimaran’s are junk boats that don’t even have the room that a catamaran has and that’s strange because there’s a third hull. Watch some videos on catamarans then watch some on trimarans and you’ll see what I’m talking about, it boggles my mind, there’s an extra hull but doesn’t have the same room to move around as a catamaran does! I saw all that from my couch.
@Amos Gipson Hold o. To and rent outyour home, to hang on to the ability to receive an o going income, and to have thstassrt and cash income for any contemplated future purchase of a home, or to be able to return to your home it desired, later.
@Amos Hopson attempting , surely I'd not mistuoes the comment that poorly... Suggest that you hold on to your home that you own. Best to hold and gain from an appreciating asset.
I have been an UA-cam sailor for 4 years and I just came across you guys. You are the best I have met so far in English. I love watching both you and I am working on getting where you guys are. I have my 102 skipper and going for 103 here very soon. I will be contacting you guys for some consulting when I am ready to move from a mono to a cat. You got a fan in me!
Wow that is a ripping sail! Looks like a great day. The salon view is amazing too. It's a little boxy from the outside but seems worth it when seeing the view. So much light
Article from Life of sailing regarding tailing a winch: There are ways however to avoid having your hands and fingers sucked into a winch. That comes from how you hold the line. Grasping the line with your thumbs towards you and pulling hand over hand is the safest way to grasp a line. This keeps the finger that makes us human, the thumb, furthest away from danger and allows you drop the line in a hurry if things ever get out of hand. Invariably however, some people hold the line the wrong way and that is when tragedy strikes.
Thank you for this big range of detailed informations. Comfortable way you are commenting. A big minus on the neel 47 is the quality of interiors. Too weak lockers and too hard and sharp edges. Don’t understand why Neel doesn’t change that and gets a bit more shippy as we say. Was nice to be on board with you. Greetings from Europe
I was astonished how bad the Neel was going up and down through the waves moving upwind. I was also surprised to ear that ''normally'' a cruiser boat would navigate only 5 % of the time upwind. I am from a few decades experience as a beach catamaran sailor more regatta oriented, so used to upwind or downwind, rarely in between which is more risky with a sailboat with a high sail area/displacemnet ratio. Since a few years, I upgraded to a Corsair 760 Sport looking for a dryer sailing experinece without compromising too much about performance. So I am more from the school of thought that Light is Right and that when wind picks up i would rather sail upwind for comfort and safety which is only possible if your trimaran is heeling a little more, the lift is increasing from the ama that is in the water. So if you dive the nose of the boat a little more, you will slice better into the waves and the drift of the boat is reduced so boat speed is increased as well as control as you are slicing the excess wind too but weight must be more centered on the boat to lower the center of gravity. and reduce the drag of the hulls.
Just found your podcast. I really enjoyed your critique of the Neil. It’s so much more helpful when hosts explain not just what they liked about a boat but what they would prefer was different. You guys hit a home run!! Best of luck
So glad you got this opportunity as I’ve been one of the curious ones! Thank you Neel owners! I love the bedroom up too ! It’s seems so...logical! Lol. 🖖
Thank you folks, That was fun and interesting. I know it would be difficult to address all the performance metrics to do a complete apples to apples comparison, but you guys did a great job of presenting many of the considerations in finding a boat. I probably haven’t been overly observant in previous episodes, but this time I found myself playing “where’s Waldo” during nick’s “drone” footage. The ten foot poll works remarkably well. Cheers.
Hello, one thing you missed is price tag.... Lol. I did like the review, lots of salient points. We have the Dragonfly 1200 and store our Honwave 420 cm dinghy on the nets while making way. For a serious crossing we can deflate the dinghy and store it in an ama. This does mean that we store our outboard engine on the stern and drop it onto the dinghy with a block and tackle system. Good Job! = Lori
The neels are pretty deep drafted.. Are there any tris that are shallow drafted? We live in an area that is pretty shallow and would like the ability to get in close and beach if we so desire.
Nice that you had the opportunity to actually sail on a Neel for a day to see what it's like. From everything I've seen/read, they seem to behave very much like catamarans, with the only minor differences being very slight improvement in upwind performance and a different main deck and sleeping quarters layout. Unlike other trimarans, where the amas are lifted a bit above the main center hull to allow for more heeling, the Neel's hulls are all level, which probably explains why it acts and feels so much like a catamaran. What would be interesting is seeing you get onto a Rapido 60 trimaran, hopefully with a stiff breeze to play with. Those things seem more like "true" trimarans, with ridiculous performance numbers to match. That's definitely a review I'd like to watch. Thanks for sharing this one with us!
Rhyming time with the O'Kelly's from Prime Cay. I have so enjoyed seeing your smiling faces once again my friends. The recent series you have done, plus this episode on the Trimaran was insightful for the differences between your Cat or your mono hull experiences. A You-Tube sailing channel that actually shows sailing in real time. What a novel concept approach that is these days among the U-Tuber channels out there . Another fine production by you all there Nick & Megan, brought a smile to my face this morning. Music, video content, interaction with the owners, the pro's & con's from your salon about this Trimaran experience once again shows why imo this is the best sailing channel out there. Well Done guys. Hmmm... Lewes, Del. on the transom. U don't say? Nice little beach town in the Mid-Atlantic region just say'n. We don't know about Trimaran's but.. we are gonna find out today that's for sure. Knowledge attended. The Neel is the real deal. It is Soooooo nice when someone else is doing "all" the work. Yeah pretty much. * One of my other long time sailing channels has returned to the Tube network that also made my week most enjoyable. If you get the chance check out their channel: Sail Cloudy Bay- HR54 that is on the hard in Harrington Harbor North marina in the Bay. I use to sail from Harrington Harbor south marina, back in the day. Take care my friends, smooth sailing for you two out there. LAC
I did a fair bit of sailing in a hammerhead tri. I always found I was more susceptable to sea sickness in the outriggers / arma's. You would have to come in closer to the center and would feel better. I always assumed because you are getting more movement in the 3 axis and with out being able to directly judge a mono or a cat. My personal though on comfort would be sleeping in a center of a tri, > cat > mono > outriggers of a tri. The only other issue i have seen with tri's is that they try push the outriggers up and the boat is more heeling under anchor and if they get to high like on preformance tri's you actually start to get hull slap on the water. Seen this so bad on some on a particular boat they will have inner tubes with them to put under the outriggers and inflate them to lessen the a heel when at anchor And on the quality, neel seem to be hit and miss, had owners whose boats were perfect had others who where a year later still getting stuff repaired under warranty, ultimately you can only make a determination of the quality in whats presented to you
Terrific. This is THE review I’ve been waiting for. Smart, articulate Catamaran people sailing a Neel. I made a couple of very narrow sea kayaks that needed outriggers so I’m sold on the trimaran concept. I just didn’t really know what the practical and effective difference was with catamarans. Now, I have a better understanding. Basically, quicker sailing, closer to the wind, but wetter. So, the Neels seem more for people on the _more sailing_ end of cruising, who really like to sail instead of people all the way on the other end who just want to change the view of their anchorage by going somewhere else. Cool. I agree, that dinghy might benefit from bow and stern (centered) tie downs. Those lines wrapped around the middle look like, yep, big seas might roll the dinghy inside those lines. One thing I’ve definitely learned about cruising sail boats: it’s almost impossible to get clear, definitive comparisons. The Outremer brochures don’t mention cruising speeds - but the Neel brochures do. So I guess the Neels must be faster. I look at the cruising guides and seasonal wind patterns and think, that sort of looks like a lot of people are all going between the same places at the same time...that might not be fun all the time. One thing that attracts me to the performance cats is being able to sail 5 knots in a 5 knot wind. I wonder in comparison how the Neels do. I just did the outboard part of my sailing lessons and... motors make a lot of noise. When you’re in a kayak the critters come to visit, but when there’s a motor around they scatter, so for me more sailing less motoring. Thanks so much for this video.
Exactly. Agree. Believe it or not, Clarity will sneak up on 5 knots in 5 knots of breeze. Buttttttt......it’s got to be totally glassy. The performance boats can do the same in bumpier conditions.
Its called a Dreadnaught bow. The future of yachting is green with electric propulsion (Oceanvolt) that recharges your batteries while underway, so a motor in each Ama would be a good solution, check out Salona 340E. Also extended angled bow rollers to clear the hull and make fitting the snubber would be an easy fix, maybe suggest it to the Manufacturer, not pleasant in heavy weather I'd expect. Also derrecks for the tender maybe, that would leave your sugar scoop available, or a hinged cradle off the stern to lift the tender. Just a few thoughts. I would have expected a lot more speed for 20 knots of wind??
Thanks for a thoughful review. All boat types have advantages and disadvantages, though I'm struggling to think of many advantages for monohulls other than easier berthing (i.e. narrow berths are far more common than wide or end/side ties) and lower costs. Trimarans are generally more stable and therefore safer than catamarans, which in turn are more stable and safer than monohulls. Both are less likely to sink than monohulls. Trimaran is generally the most stable boat form. Most trimarans are more performance oriented than the Neel: Corsair, Farr, Farrier, Dragonfly, Marsaudon, etc. For even more performance biased, see the new Rapido trimarans, which are almost cruising racing boats. And of course there are pure racing trimarans converted to cruisers for even more performance and less comfort. And there are older more Polynesian inspired trimarans that are far slower but highly seaworthy. In any case, there are a wide range of interpretations of all boat types. The 28+ knot Rapido 60 is priced about the same as the magnificent and relatively fast Balance 526 catamaran. The Neel seems to be more like a variation on a cruising catamaran with the large single level saloon and master cabin on the deck level. It has some interesting design ideas. I'd personally be concerned about the well documented construction flaws of some Neels, such as the transom separating from the hull sides on some models. Presumably that's been corrected, but it's a legitimate concern that it even happened in the first place. The hobbyhorsing diagonal ride motion on less performance oriented catamarans is probably due to hull shape, as Nick noted, and more performance oriented trimarans may have a smoother ride upwind than the Neel, just as the Outremer catamaran has a smoother ride upwind due to finer hulls compared to more cruising oriented catamarans. Finer hulls with less flare or chine (straighter more vertical sides) may also be wetter since there's less to deflect waves and upward spray. The hulls of the Neel flare out relatively quickly above the water, resulting in relatively narrow and shallow tunnels. That suggests it would do better in flatter waters, though it does give more usable internal hull volume. Judging by the hull shapes alone, it may not be able to maintain higher speeds in higher seas, and 9 knots in 22 knots of wind, while faster than cruising cats and monohulls, isn't very fast. For comparison the Rapido 60 does far more than wind speed in a beam reach.
You guys are such characters. A lifetime of weather reporting and riffs, and inside jokes, and maybe some dirty jokes to report the weather, actually makes for an engaging "weather report"...about yachts! If we are standing on dry land, we know as much about yachts as we know about the weather. And sometimes not even then. 😉 I don't know if you guys would willingly tolerate the stress, but I hope a part of your "yacht consultancy" consists of inviting people to live aboard and experience the trials and joys of yacht life. There is a technical and physical and emotional aspect that I don't think most couples or families are prepared to handle. You guys are uniquely positioned to educate people about those factors before they commit. That may entail a literal bit of un-wished for marriage counseling, but....I didn't even know what a bowsprit was, before I started shoving my bow into a windward red-haired Irish wave, that was moving in a circular motion: downwind at the top, upwind at the bottom...you get the cut of my jib.
So good to see you guys think a boat review needs to be done using the boat! Not just walking around it for 5min at the dock. You would think it would be a given to take it for a sail! Nice work 👍
That main bedroom up is really sweet. Just can't do the heel and that huge beam, though. Like Megan, I'm now wondering if I can convert our salon couch to a giant bed :D
I really enjoy your videos and I found this one quite interesting. There were only two cats that I considered, the Fountaine Pajot and the Sunreef but in the end I went with a monohull. As with any boat, go for what fits your plans and where you want to sail.
Another great video, very informative - many thanks. My question still remains - how plausible would it be to have a grand piano - weight around 0.65 ton - on (a) a Monohull, (b) a Cat, or (c) a Trimaran?
You guys are so awesome! So informative, fun to watch and such a great inspiring sailing couple! Many blessings to you!! I've been hooked on your channel for a year now! Will continue till you stop! Thanks so much!
the snubber also take the pressure off the windlass, but yes also centers the boat better as well. nice job you guys great detailed break down of the neel and comparisons.
thankyou for the series on different vessels and providing your experience in these fields. As always stock traders look at all the data available, assess the risks and benefits before making any assessments. There is plenty of data in the web regarding the speed and the comfort including the seesaw effect , both are influenced by the physics of vessel design including the sail area, weight, dimensions of the vessel but mainly but the length of the vessel
The issue I found with those from Neel is that they have issues with quality. Seen several at boat shows that had cracks in the gelcoat, hardware that was broken / ripped out easily, screws not aligned or in a bad place, etc. Way too many small flaws that lead up to big issues when inspecting it up close.
Huh, that wasn’t my experience. Looked the boat over very closely and didn’t see anything jump out at me. And spiderwebbing in gelcoat on multihulls is not unique to Neel. Our boat has some, and in my direct, first-hand experience with my own two eyes....Lagoons have them, Privilege has them in some spots here and there, Voyage has a couple areas but less so....gosh, even seen a bit on an Outremer. And while there definitely can be over stress areas in some designs, the most common cause of gelcoat cracking is too much gelcoat in the mould. And all this me saying the Neel appeared to me to be high quality....I got no skin in the game.
We “raced” Vis on our 30 ft monohull just outside exuma land and sea park to Big Majors Spot a few weeks ago. We were motorsailing going 4.5 knots, and Vis quickly had our mouths gaping as it passed at 8.5 knts without the engine. Beautiful boat! Really cool we got to see it maybe it was you guys!
Hey guys, love your channel! This episode was especially personal for me because I hung out with owners the day they bought their Neel-big shout out to our yacht broker Tommy Smith!-because I was partying at Tommy’s house just kicking off my boat purchase journey and they stopped by for a bit. I was fascinated with the Neel. But alas, I settled for a Leopard 48 (which I love!!!) and you are always welcome aboard if you’re ever in Key West where I keep her.
We finally got to see this after so many days! We have been busy and well this is worth waiting for! Thank you for such a complete review and we do hope you go back to spend some nights onboard!
@@TheOKellys We are in Limbo here in lovely N. Italy and we have opened and closed more times than anyone can keep up with, like a yoyo! We are bearing up. Just so you know, we are happy to watch your video's, an epic thank you for the work I know that goes into your productions. We as always wish for you two the happiest of sails! You brighten our days!
I love listening to you both! I am just getting into sailing and want to check out the catamarans, and now even this trimaran! Thank you for these videos.
Truly appreciated your review. 🎉 we have been looking for our first yacht (home) and it was a balanced and enjoyable experience to look at your review - thank you
Thanks for the video and review of the Neel 47. One reported advantage of a trimaran over cat is the ability to carry more weight with less hull displacement penalty and loss of speed - similar to a monohull. Do you have any information about that aspect with the Neel?
Hey Guys.. This is a great review.. Totally unbiased.. I have seen some reviews, where people try to prove that their boat is much better... Happy to like and subscribe now.. But, how come I didn't find your channel in these three years of following so many sailing channels!! Did I miss or they didn't pop-up in the suggestions.. Anyway, now is the time to watch your Eps... Cheers and loads of love from India..
Well, the one we were on was solid. Can’t say much about the rest or maybe they are better now. They seem to do very well in the ARC. Do some googling.
Lovely vid thx. If I saw correctly the Neel 51 seems to have entry to the other hulls from inside, so perhaps keep an eye out for one of those on your travels!
Thank you for the review. A couple of things spring to mind. How constraining do you think it would be to find slipways that can handle a vessel over 25 ft in beam? Also do you think the outriggers would be suited to conversion for sewing rooms or workshops? Finally you didn't mention it but you need a bit more water just like in a mono which might be annoying at times.
That old photo of you as a kid in front of a green car, that isn't a '77 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback is it? I had one, in that same color, that I used to haul my NACRA 5.8 catamaran to the beach with.
Great video, they keep getting better. I think there is a boat for everyone and for every type of cruising. I think you need to figure out what you want to do then narrow your search. Also, ask people with experience on what you want to do. I love your videos and plan on using your consulting options when I get closer to cruising in the Salt Life. Right now I thank my fortune for the being on the Great Lakes and work on my sailing skills.
Nice review. Great salon layout, and ama's setup. Surprised the mention of one engine vs. two in a cat wasn't mentioned, for maneuverability and redundancy. Owner of a Simpson cat. :-)
Great episode ! Enjoyed. The Neel looks great for lazy warm anchorages but Marinas can be a problem with manoeuvring with all that windage and also lifting out options more limited ! Also I agree that dinghy and transom look a bit exposed to heavy following seas. I want one though...(I spent so much time loitering at the Neel factory at La Rochelle - I think I was close to being reported).
Great review, thanks a lot, i appreciate your unbiased comments and very practical point of view. I would be very interested in your review on a Chris White Atlantic 49 catamaran or Hammerhead 54 trimaran.
Very objective conversation & observations. Does the Neel pound upwind and what are your thoughts on catamaran bridge deck pounding vs the ride on a trimaran?
Hmm. To be honest, would need to see it in a greater variety of conditions to give a really good report, but I’d say in smaller chop, the Neel is louder with less ama clearance than Clarity (nearly three feet) and it gets a whole lot more “slap.” In bigger chop/waves, you aren’t going to have that huge “bomb” sound when two waves crash up into the bridgedeck at once in the Neel.
The compromise between mono hull, cat and trimaran is interesting. A mono hull will have the least amount of hull square inches compared to a cat and even more than a trimaran. The mono hull needs a keel and structure to handle it. The torque loadings on the cross beams of a cat and tri must be enormous going through a sea. It will be cool to see what trickles down from the foil designs coming out of the Vendee Globe, Americas cup and other development races to the leisure boat market.
What about the beam of the Neel 47. Would this cost when having to go into a boat slip? In relation to that what about hauling out? The rig would have to know what they are doing or there could be problems.
Hey! Yet another great informative video! I remember I've seen in one of your episodes you mentioning getting boat from Moorings. Can't remember though whether you said you would do it again or not.. I'm starting to search for my new to me monohull, and Moorings have few of them.. any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Would boil it down to this. Buying out of Moorings CAN be an excellent value. I would encourage a buyer to use a buyer’s representative when dealing with the Moorings brokerage. Our experience was painful and we have heard mixed reviews from others...some good, some bad bad bad. I would do it again, but would use a buyer’s broker.
@@TheOKellys thank you so much for really prompt and honest response! I'll give boat broker here in Portland, OR a call to see if he can help me out with it.. :-) hope to see you guys out there in tropics!!
Now that you have reviewed a NEEL 47 trimaran if you get the opportunity to review a Dragonfly 40 trimaran or a Rapido 60 trimaran it would make for a interesting comparison. Thanks
The model matters, at least to me. The 51 solves a lot of the things you guys didn’t love. It’s also nice to here that you thought the build quality is good. It all depends on what you are comparing to. To me, compared to a lot of production cats, it’s really good. Compared to maybe a Balance or something that, well, you get what you pay for. The problem is, good luck picking up a used 51 for even what they sold for new 4 years ago. The 43 seems like an interesting option for a couple and more cruiser and less racer than the 47.
Nick, love your channel, wife and I have been hooked for some time ...especially as we live in the outer banks of NC and tracked your movements when in close proximity. Wife was particularly interested in your simple and easy-to-understand explanation of shelf clouds. Both she and I would like more weather topic explanations similar to that as I am sure that all current and future sailors would gain immense knowledge from your vast experience in this weather field. Now to my specific question. Currently trapped on the Atlantic ICW in the Waccamaw River (at a marina that was under water the day I arrived) due to flooding from the Waccamaw and Little Pee Dee Rivers. USCG finally closed the AICW as the water was in excess of eight feet higher than normal (medium to tall masters could not transit under fixed bridges, and more specifically, they instituted significant transit restrictions as the wakes from any type of marine vessel caused further water intrusion into homes and businesses along a stretch of the channel from just north of Conway SC to several miles south of Wachesaw SC). Anyway, I need help. Can not wrap my head around water levels and stacked water bodies close together, yet different flood water elevations. The Socastee fixed and RR bridges are about 6 miles upriver from me. Since last Saturday I have noted the water level on the day marker 20 yards from my boat drop 12 to 14 inches. I call the Socestee Bridge operator daily for their bridge clearance readings. Todays reading was just over 2 feet better than my gage, in other words, their bridge clearance was about 3.5 to 4 feet better since Saturday than my 12-14 inches during the same period. Do not understand why the mathematical difference and could use your expertise in understanding. Bill and Jon Sv ANEVRLU
Going to be straight up honest with you, this is way over my head. If you think meteorology is complicated, hydrology is 10x more so. You've got gravity waves, currents, basins, bathymetry, tidal effects, inflow, outflow, precip and tidal-bar effects...and it gives me a headache thinking of how the wind itself is affecting the whole thing. Long answer....I don't know. All I do know is that they close these waterways for good reason. The boat won't fare well in an encounter with a bridge. Be well, this too shall pass....
@@TheOKellys Nick, thanks for the timely and straight forward response. Thought I was loosing what usable brain cells I have left since I was unable to understand the water dynamics and system complexities associated with the challenge at hand. Will punt this question/situation to a few ACOE friends after returning home in a couple weeks.......providing the water level continues to drop by the upcoming mid week period. Stay safe, smooth passages. Keep the vids coming, we all lov'm. Sv ANEVRLU
i own the very first neel 45 , all in all i do agree with your assesment ,fun,wet and extremely easy to manage alone at sea...not so much in port. the 45 is a cutter so tacking isn’t easy. and it s an older design and philosophy than the 47. one point though..it s a tri one hull 2 amas not 2 hulls like a cat so no need for an anchor bridle on the amas.
@@TheOKellys yes but the sprit came afterward...it wasn’t designed on the first 2 neel 45. i ´d say coming from 30+ years of monohulls that i still sail very much close to thewind and that the neel for me is less confortable than a cat..because we are going sliglthly faster and so hit waves faster. but all in all it s a sailor’s boat...tons of fun
@@teknotikpointbiz sur le mien le bout dehors a été rajouté apres, au début il n’y avait que le davier inox. autre difference sur galene et a partir du. numéro 3 le winch a tribord sur le roof pour hisser la GV qui n’existe pas sur le mien. c est en pieds de mat ( sorry kelly’s had to revert back to french as i believe tek otik is from quebec and my english isn’t sail technical enough)
Loved the review! The Neel is a great boat and loved the speed which kind of opens up new destinations and what a great shower! Internal helm was fabulous. Food for thought there and all things considered I personally still prefer the cat, mainly because of the wider hulls and the perfect level sailing.
Interesting!------------was a bit surprised to find no comparison of side-wind forces on the rigging...............I expect that tris have no need for quite such severe triangulation of the spreaders...? giving better downwind boom angle to a following wind.......and also less severe jarring/wear and tear on the rigging generally. Because tris have a bit of heel and are not quite so rigidly set up, it seems they might absorb side-wind forces better.. Am i wrong?---did you notice any/much difference? Your reply would be interesting and welcome. Thanks for the informative and fun program !
I took a very close look at the Neel before just committing to the Leopard 42. There is a new 43 Neel out that I considered but only one bathroom and really just one bedroom. Also with two dogs no way they would use the front of the boat between the spray and layout. Neel aft is just not a place you would hang out so I felt you lose space on the boat compared to the Leopards or other cats. I did get a change to talk with Joren who was a great guy and gave me lots of info. A few others have complained about craftsmanship/quality conreol on the Neels. There are a few youtube videos out there about the many issues folks have had with new boats that I hope they are taking care of. Looks like a blast to sail though but for dog owners it s not the best boat which is a small group of folks but probably children as well there might be issues.
If I was in the market for a multi-hull and was looking at Neel I would not get the models smaller than the 51. The amas on the smaller Neels are way too narrow for my liking and not the most convenient to use being separate. On the 51, there's internal ama access and the amas are appreciably more spacious. It is a big boat though.
@@jamesaron1967 Agree. if I could have utilized a 51 that would have been my choice. Did not like the narrow Ammas and having to enter from outside the main salon.
The issue of Vis vs Clarity sailing upwind into chop and Clarity slowing down in waves has to do with the greater displacement/momentum of Vis and possibly aerodinamic foil of the amas. Also a tri has greater flotation with three hulls. You guys are just great!! I'll meet you in the Exhumas one of these days!!! Vasco.
I like how they aren't playing games in the cockpit life jackets and life lines says we are serious, those big cabins are so comfortable. And that engine room instead of engine bay?I'm in luv.
So how do gusts work on a catamaran? On a monohull, and it seems on a trimaran as well, gusts will cause the boat to heel which reduces the effective sailing area seen by the wind and at the same time heeling increases the keel's leverage. So we have an equilibrium of forces. On a catamaran, are you just pushed more sideways?
Wish I could smash the like button twice! Great review and tour. I think I found my new favorite boat! If only it was an electric motor! :-) What was their solar power like? Was there enough to keep them charged off grid and without the generator or do they need the generator?
I’m a 71 year-old non-sailer so my opinions are of limited worth, but I found your video both informative and really enjoyable. Thank you!
I’ll be back!
Wife and I have been contemplating selling our house and property. We can afford to pay a boat off, and I am a disabled veteran so I can afford monthly fees and maintenance. It's your reviews that actually make sense that really help other humans. So many people review things and they know nothing about it. They just review what the counters and couches look like. Thank you for your content. It is really helping us guide our decisions for the next chapter of our lives.
When you sell your house, don’t buy a trimaran, buy a catamaran. Trimaran’s are junk boats that don’t even have the room that a catamaran has and that’s strange because there’s a third hull. Watch some videos on catamarans then watch some on trimarans and you’ll see what I’m talking about, it boggles my mind, there’s an extra hull but doesn’t have the same room to move around as a catamaran does! I saw all that from my couch.
@@TB12710 100% correct!
@Amos Gipson Hold o. To and rent outyour home, to hang on to the ability to receive an o going income, and to have thstassrt and cash income for any contemplated future purchase of a home, or to be able to return to your home it desired, later.
@Amos Hopson attempting , surely I'd not mistuoes the comment that poorly... Suggest that you hold on to your home that you own. Best to hold and gain from an appreciating asset.
Go for it 🍀🙏
I have been an UA-cam sailor for 4 years and I just came across you guys. You are the best I have met so far in English. I love watching both you and I am working on getting where you guys are. I have my 102 skipper and going for 103 here very soon. I will be contacting you guys for some consulting when I am ready to move from a mono to a cat. You got a fan in me!
Awesome! Let us know how we can help. Get on out here!
Very nice. Professional,friendly, and exhaustingly informative but entertaining.. You’re both much appreciated.. Please do keep sailing.
Very nice narrative. You two are just so smooth on camera, it’s easy to forget this isn’t a big budget studio production.
I think that dude used to be a weatherman or something, I forget but yes, they are naturals
Wow that is a ripping sail! Looks like a great day. The salon view is amazing too. It's a little boxy from the outside but seems worth it when seeing the view. So much light
Article from Life of sailing regarding tailing a winch:
There are ways however to avoid having your hands and fingers sucked into a winch. That comes from how you hold the line. Grasping the line with your thumbs towards you and pulling hand over hand is the safest way to grasp a line. This keeps the finger that makes us human, the thumb, furthest away from danger and allows you drop the line in a hurry if things ever get out of hand.
Invariably however, some people hold the line the wrong way and that is when tragedy strikes.
Thank you for this big range of detailed informations. Comfortable way you are commenting. A big minus on the neel 47 is the quality of interiors. Too weak lockers and too hard and sharp edges. Don’t understand why Neel doesn’t change that and gets a bit more shippy as we say. Was nice to be on board with you. Greetings from Europe
That was a great look at this neel. Thanks guys!!
I really like the master single level design. Neel is another great consideration in the competitive multi hull market. Great job!
I was astonished how bad the Neel was going up and down through the waves moving upwind. I was also surprised to ear that ''normally'' a cruiser boat would navigate only 5 % of the time upwind. I am from a few decades experience as a beach catamaran sailor more regatta oriented, so used to upwind or downwind, rarely in between which is more risky with a sailboat with a high sail area/displacemnet ratio. Since a few years, I upgraded to a Corsair 760 Sport looking for a dryer sailing experinece without compromising too much about performance. So I am more from the school of thought that Light is Right and that when wind picks up i would rather sail upwind for comfort and safety which is only possible if your trimaran is heeling a little more, the lift is increasing from the ama that is in the water. So if you dive the nose of the boat a little more, you will slice better into the waves and the drift of the boat is reduced so boat speed is increased as well as control as you are slicing the excess wind too but weight must be more centered on the boat to lower the center of gravity. and reduce the drag of the hulls.
Now a really great trimaran is the Neel 65. The full raised fly bridge is just wonderful
Use safety cables as anchor ⚓️ line. Why chains?
Just found your podcast. I really enjoyed your critique of the Neil. It’s so much more helpful when hosts explain not just what they liked about a boat but what they would prefer was different. You guys hit a home run!! Best of luck
So glad you got this opportunity as I’ve been one of the curious ones! Thank you Neel owners! I love the bedroom up too ! It’s seems so...logical! Lol. 🖖
Thank you folks,
That was fun and interesting. I know it would be difficult to address all the performance metrics to do a complete apples to apples comparison, but you guys did a great job of presenting many of the considerations in finding a boat.
I probably haven’t been overly observant in previous episodes, but this time I found myself playing “where’s Waldo” during nick’s “drone” footage. The ten foot poll works remarkably well.
Cheers.
Hello, one thing you missed is price tag.... Lol. I did like the review, lots of salient points. We have the Dragonfly 1200 and store our Honwave 420 cm dinghy on the nets while making way. For a serious crossing we can deflate the dinghy and store it in an ama. This does mean that we store our outboard engine on the stern and drop it onto the dinghy with a block and tackle system. Good Job! = Lori
The neels are pretty deep drafted.. Are there any tris that are shallow drafted? We live in an area that is pretty shallow and would like the ability to get in close and beach if we so desire.
Nice that you had the opportunity to actually sail on a Neel for a day to see what it's like. From everything I've seen/read, they seem to behave very much like catamarans, with the only minor differences being very slight improvement in upwind performance and a different main deck and sleeping quarters layout. Unlike other trimarans, where the amas are lifted a bit above the main center hull to allow for more heeling, the Neel's hulls are all level, which probably explains why it acts and feels so much like a catamaran. What would be interesting is seeing you get onto a Rapido 60 trimaran, hopefully with a stiff breeze to play with. Those things seem more like "true" trimarans, with ridiculous performance numbers to match. That's definitely a review I'd like to watch.
Thanks for sharing this one with us!
Well we would jump at the opportunity. Looks like quite a ride!
Rhyming time with the O'Kelly's from Prime Cay. I have so enjoyed seeing your smiling faces once again my friends.
The recent series you have done, plus this episode on the Trimaran was insightful for the differences between
your Cat or your mono hull experiences. A You-Tube sailing channel that actually shows sailing in real time.
What a novel concept approach that is these days among the U-Tuber channels out there .
Another fine production by you all there Nick & Megan, brought a smile to my face this morning. Music, video content,
interaction with the owners, the pro's & con's from your salon about this Trimaran experience once again shows
why imo this is the best sailing channel out there. Well Done guys.
Hmmm... Lewes, Del. on the transom. U don't say? Nice little beach town in the Mid-Atlantic region just say'n.
We don't know about Trimaran's but.. we are gonna find out today that's for sure. Knowledge attended.
The Neel is the real deal. It is Soooooo nice when someone else is doing "all" the work. Yeah pretty much.
* One of my other long time sailing channels has returned to the Tube network that also made my week
most enjoyable. If you get the chance check out their channel: Sail Cloudy Bay- HR54 that is on the hard in
Harrington Harbor North marina in the Bay. I use to sail from Harrington Harbor south marina, back in the day.
Take care my friends, smooth sailing for you two out there.
LAC
I did a fair bit of sailing in a hammerhead tri. I always found I was more susceptable to sea sickness in the outriggers / arma's. You would have to come in closer to the center and would feel better. I always assumed because you are getting more movement in the 3 axis and with out being able to directly judge a mono or a cat. My personal though on comfort would be sleeping in a center of a tri, > cat > mono > outriggers of a tri.
The only other issue i have seen with tri's is that they try push the outriggers up and the boat is more heeling under anchor and if they get to high like on preformance tri's you actually start to get hull slap on the water. Seen this so bad on some on a particular boat they will have inner tubes with them to put under the outriggers and inflate them to lessen the a heel when at anchor
And on the quality, neel seem to be hit and miss, had owners whose boats were perfect had others who where a year later still getting stuff repaired under warranty, ultimately you can only make a determination of the quality in whats presented to you
Terrific. This is THE review I’ve been waiting for. Smart, articulate Catamaran people sailing a Neel.
I made a couple of very narrow sea kayaks that needed outriggers so I’m sold on the trimaran concept. I just didn’t really know what the practical and effective difference was with catamarans. Now, I have a better understanding. Basically, quicker sailing, closer to the wind, but wetter.
So, the Neels seem more for people on the _more sailing_ end of cruising, who really like to sail instead of people all the way on the other end who just want to change the view of their anchorage by going somewhere else. Cool.
I agree, that dinghy might benefit from bow and stern (centered) tie downs. Those lines wrapped around the middle look like, yep, big seas might roll the dinghy inside those lines.
One thing I’ve definitely learned about cruising sail boats: it’s almost impossible to get clear, definitive comparisons. The Outremer brochures don’t mention cruising speeds - but the Neel brochures do. So I guess the Neels must be faster.
I look at the cruising guides and seasonal wind patterns and think, that sort of looks like a lot of people are all going between the same places at the same time...that might not be fun all the time.
One thing that attracts me to the performance cats is being able to sail 5 knots in a 5 knot wind. I wonder in comparison how the Neels do. I just did the outboard part of my sailing lessons and... motors make a lot of noise. When you’re in a kayak the critters come to visit, but when there’s a motor around they scatter, so for me more sailing less motoring. Thanks so much for this video.
Exactly. Agree. Believe it or not, Clarity will sneak up on 5 knots in 5 knots of breeze. Buttttttt......it’s got to be totally glassy. The performance boats can do the same in bumpier conditions.
Thank you guys for the awesome review. I love catching up with you guys every so often and can’t wait to see ya on the water.
Great review, that is my dreamboat...
Its called a Dreadnaught bow. The future of yachting is green with electric propulsion (Oceanvolt) that recharges your batteries while underway, so a motor in each Ama would be a good solution, check out Salona 340E. Also extended angled bow rollers to clear the hull and make fitting the snubber would be an easy fix, maybe suggest it to the Manufacturer, not pleasant in heavy weather I'd expect. Also derrecks for the tender maybe, that would leave your sugar scoop available, or a hinged cradle off the stern to lift the tender. Just a few thoughts. I would have expected a lot more speed for 20 knots of wind??
Love the review. Very articulate, clear, and organized
Thanks for a thoughful review. All boat types have advantages and disadvantages, though I'm struggling to think of many advantages for monohulls other than easier berthing (i.e. narrow berths are far more common than wide or end/side ties) and lower costs.
Trimarans are generally more stable and therefore safer than catamarans, which in turn are more stable and safer than monohulls. Both are less likely to sink than monohulls. Trimaran is generally the most stable boat form.
Most trimarans are more performance oriented than the Neel: Corsair, Farr, Farrier, Dragonfly, Marsaudon, etc. For even more performance biased, see the new Rapido trimarans, which are almost cruising racing boats. And of course there are pure racing trimarans converted to cruisers for even more performance and less comfort. And there are older more Polynesian inspired trimarans that are far slower but highly seaworthy. In any case, there are a wide range of interpretations of all boat types.
The 28+ knot Rapido 60 is priced about the same as the magnificent and relatively fast Balance 526 catamaran.
The Neel seems to be more like a variation on a cruising catamaran with the large single level saloon and master cabin on the deck level. It has some interesting design ideas. I'd personally be concerned about the well documented construction flaws of some Neels, such as the transom separating from the hull sides on some models. Presumably that's been corrected, but it's a legitimate concern that it even happened in the first place.
The hobbyhorsing diagonal ride motion on less performance oriented catamarans is probably due to hull shape, as Nick noted, and more performance oriented trimarans may have a smoother ride upwind than the Neel, just as the Outremer catamaran has a smoother ride upwind due to finer hulls compared to more cruising oriented catamarans.
Finer hulls with less flare or chine (straighter more vertical sides) may also be wetter since there's less to deflect waves and upward spray.
The hulls of the Neel flare out relatively quickly above the water, resulting in relatively narrow and shallow tunnels. That suggests it would do better in flatter waters, though it does give more usable internal hull volume. Judging by the hull shapes alone, it may not be able to maintain higher speeds in higher seas, and 9 knots in 22 knots of wind, while faster than cruising cats and monohulls, isn't very fast.
For comparison the Rapido 60 does far more than wind speed in a beam reach.
You guys are such characters. A lifetime of weather reporting and riffs, and inside jokes, and maybe some dirty jokes to report the weather, actually makes for an engaging "weather report"...about yachts!
If we are standing on dry land, we know as much about yachts as we know about the weather. And sometimes not even then. 😉
I don't know if you guys would willingly tolerate the stress, but I hope a part of your "yacht consultancy" consists of inviting people to live aboard and experience the trials and joys of yacht life. There is a technical and physical and emotional aspect that I don't think most couples or families are prepared to handle. You guys are uniquely positioned to educate people about those factors before they commit.
That may entail a literal bit of un-wished for marriage counseling, but....I didn't even know what a bowsprit was, before I started shoving my bow into a windward red-haired Irish wave, that was moving in a circular motion: downwind at the top, upwind at the bottom...you get the cut of my jib.
Missing the sun here in the Netherlands.. Thank you for the sunlight, warmth and the interesting content :)
So good to see you guys think a boat review needs to be done using the boat! Not just walking around it for 5min at the dock.
You would think it would be a given to take it for a sail! Nice work 👍
Indeed. Like reviewing a car without driving it. What use is that? Lol
Great editing and the faded music at the end to prepare the viewer unconsciously that the fun is over... for now.
That main bedroom up is really sweet. Just can't do the heel and that huge beam, though. Like Megan, I'm now wondering if I can convert our salon couch to a giant bed :D
Aft pump to catch the spray and generator electricity
I really enjoy your videos and I found this one quite interesting. There were only two cats that I considered, the Fountaine Pajot and the Sunreef but in the end I went with a monohull. As with any boat, go for what fits your plans and where you want to sail.
Exactly.
Great video! Love the richness of the information and your ability to look at other boats and see their advantages and disadvantages. Thanx.
Another great video, very informative - many thanks. My question still remains - how plausible would it be to have a grand piano - weight around 0.65 ton - on (a) a Monohull, (b) a Cat, or (c) a Trimaran?
Open the window. Lay flat to bed the seat behind the pilot station
You guys are so awesome! So informative, fun to watch and such a great inspiring sailing couple! Many blessings to you!! I've been hooked on your channel for a year now! Will continue till you stop! Thanks so much!
You guy's are so honest and informative. Thumbs up.
the snubber also take the pressure off the windlass, but yes also centers the boat better as well. nice job you guys great detailed break down of the neel and comparisons.
thankyou for the series on different vessels and providing your experience in these fields.
As always stock traders look at all the data available, assess the risks and benefits before making any assessments.
There is plenty of data in the web regarding the speed and the comfort including the seesaw effect , both are influenced by the physics of vessel design including the sail area, weight, dimensions of the vessel but mainly but the length of the vessel
The issue I found with those from Neel is that they have issues with quality. Seen several at boat shows that had cracks in the gelcoat, hardware that was broken / ripped out easily, screws not aligned or in a bad place, etc. Way too many small flaws that lead up to big issues when inspecting it up close.
Huh, that wasn’t my experience. Looked the boat over very closely and didn’t see anything jump out at me. And spiderwebbing in gelcoat on multihulls is not unique to Neel. Our boat has some, and in my direct, first-hand experience with my own two eyes....Lagoons have them, Privilege has them in some spots here and there, Voyage has a couple areas but less so....gosh, even seen a bit on an Outremer. And while there definitely can be over stress areas in some designs, the most common cause of gelcoat cracking is too much gelcoat in the mould. And all this me saying the Neel appeared to me to be high quality....I got no skin in the game.
I'm been fallowing the NEELs trimarans for a while and they are a really interestings boats to test
Another great informative video. Thanks for educating us on the Tri, Be safe out there and fair winds and following seas...
We “raced” Vis on our 30 ft monohull just outside exuma land and sea park to Big Majors Spot a few weeks ago. We were motorsailing going 4.5 knots, and Vis quickly had our mouths gaping as it passed at 8.5 knts without the engine. Beautiful boat! Really cool we got to see it maybe it was you guys!
Quite a ride, isn’t she? We sailed the Neel out of Big Majors, so maybe we were close by to you!
Hey guys, love your channel! This episode was especially personal for me because I hung out with owners the day they bought their Neel-big shout out to our yacht broker Tommy Smith!-because I was partying at Tommy’s house just kicking off my boat purchase journey and they stopped by for a bit. I was fascinated with the Neel. But alas, I settled for a Leopard 48 (which I love!!!) and you are always welcome aboard if you’re ever in Key West where I keep her.
Ha! Small world! It is fascinating, isn’t it? Really cool boat. Yours is pretty cool too. Who knows? Maybe we find ourselves down your way!
Great review of a beautiful boat! I am still partial to your review of the Seawind 1260!
Nice balanced review. 👍👍👍
We finally got to see this after so many days! We have been busy and well this is worth waiting for! Thank you for such a complete review and we do hope you go back to spend some nights onboard!
Thanks for taking the time to watch Claris, hope you’re doing great!
@@TheOKellys We are in Limbo here in lovely N. Italy and we have opened and closed more times than anyone can keep up with, like a yoyo! We are bearing up. Just so you know, we are happy to watch your video's, an epic thank you for the work I know that goes into your productions. We as always wish for you two the happiest of sails! You brighten our days!
I love listening to you both! I am just getting into sailing and want to check out the catamarans, and now even this trimaran! Thank you for these videos.
Truly appreciated your review. 🎉 we have been looking for our first yacht (home) and it was a balanced and enjoyable experience to look at your review - thank you
I absolutely love the channel! It’s been super informative and helps my wife and I dream of hopefully sailing the world one day!
Thanks for the video and review of the Neel 47. One reported advantage of a trimaran over cat is the ability to carry more weight with less hull displacement penalty and loss of speed - similar to a monohull. Do you have any information about that aspect with the Neel?
Hey Guys.. This is a great review.. Totally unbiased.. I have seen some reviews, where people try to prove that their boat is much better... Happy to like and subscribe now.. But, how come I didn't find your channel in these three years of following so many sailing channels!! Did I miss or they didn't pop-up in the suggestions.. Anyway, now is the time to watch your Eps... Cheers and loads of love from India..
Thanks! Very interesting first time look at a trimeran for me.
Iv seen in other posts there was a bit of a problem with the build quality ?
Yes! I was just going to say that. Someone did a review at a boat show, and it was horrible, shotty craftmanship.
Chronic problems actually, one time almost causing the demise of the crew due to faulty workmanship. Great concept but shoddy and unsafe.
Well, the one we were on was solid. Can’t say much about the rest or maybe they are better now. They seem to do very well in the ARC. Do some googling.
When you see the price you understand that assembling quality is the weak point
Why is the bottom of the hull black?
Lovely vid thx. If I saw correctly the Neel 51 seems to have entry to the other hulls from inside, so perhaps keep an eye out for one of those on your travels!
Thank you for the review. A couple of things spring to mind. How constraining do you think it would be to find slipways that can handle a vessel over 25 ft in beam? Also do you think the outriggers would be suited to conversion for sewing rooms or workshops? Finally you didn't mention it but you need a bit more water just like in a mono which might be annoying at times.
That old photo of you as a kid in front of a green car, that isn't a '77 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback is it? I had one, in that same color, that I used to haul my NACRA 5.8 catamaran to the beach with.
1979 Honda CVCC
Agreed, what is a few knots/ hour ? No spilling of the GnT s on board ?
Great video, they keep getting better. I think there is a boat for everyone and for every type of cruising. I think you need to figure out what you want to do then narrow your search. Also, ask people with experience on what you want to do. I love your videos and plan on using your consulting options when I get closer to cruising in the Salt Life. Right now I thank my fortune for the being on the Great Lakes and work on my sailing skills.
Nicely done. I really enjoyed your review of that trimaran. Stay well guys!
Thank you you guys are phenomenal job with these videos
Nice review. Great salon layout, and ama's setup. Surprised the mention of one engine vs. two in a cat wasn't mentioned, for maneuverability and redundancy. Owner of a Simpson cat. :-)
Hmmm, no we talked about that. Toward the end. Simpson cat, eh? Interesting. What year?
@@TheOKellys The hearing is the 1st to go, mine. :-) 2007 Simpson.
You guys got 36th most popular sailing channel on UA-cam by subscribers on why we sail!!! Congratulations 🎈🎊🎉 your my favorite.
Wow...as usual such a professional presentation. Keep up the good work !
Great episode ! Enjoyed. The Neel looks great for lazy warm anchorages but Marinas can be a problem with manoeuvring with all that windage and also lifting out options more limited ! Also I agree that dinghy and transom look a bit exposed to heavy following seas. I want one though...(I spent so much time loitering at the Neel factory at La Rochelle - I think I was close to being reported).
It's so clean with all the sheets ran to one spot, Neel really got it right with this model.
Nick has the perfect documentary broadcasters voice. Other UA-cam channels will pay big money for his services.
I disagree. It’s not the voice, it’s the reading that’s so effective. Excellent pronunciation, excellent choice of words, good speed and tone.
@@cmdmd I prefer the resident professional.
Great insightful and excellent review! I’m buying a Neel 51, mostly for all the reasons you list.
Great review, thanks a lot, i appreciate your unbiased comments and very practical point of view. I would be very interested in your review on a Chris White Atlantic 49 catamaran or Hammerhead 54 trimaran.
Either of those will flat out smoke any production boat. Particularly the Hammerhead.
Excellent documentation on the difference between the two thank you
Very objective conversation & observations. Does the Neel pound upwind and what are your thoughts on catamaran bridge deck pounding vs the ride on a trimaran?
Hmm. To be honest, would need to see it in a greater variety of conditions to give a really good report, but I’d say in smaller chop, the Neel is louder with less ama clearance than Clarity (nearly three feet) and it gets a whole lot more “slap.” In bigger chop/waves, you aren’t going to have that huge “bomb” sound when two waves crash up into the bridgedeck at once in the Neel.
The compromise between mono hull, cat and trimaran is interesting. A mono hull will have the least amount of hull square inches compared to a cat and even more than a trimaran. The mono hull needs a keel and structure to handle it. The torque loadings on the cross beams of a cat and tri must be enormous going through a sea. It will be cool to see what trickles down from the foil designs coming out of the Vendee Globe, Americas cup and other development races to the leisure boat market.
I would look into replacing the single engine with two jet pump engines and get rid of the screws on the trimaran. Great video, very informative.
Fixed keel? Centreboard/bilge-boards/?? etc---any options in underwater profile/draft ??
Is it bouncy, so much u can not sleep in the Amas?
What about the beam of the Neel 47. Would this cost when having to go into a boat slip? In relation to that what about hauling out? The rig would have to know what they are doing or there could be problems.
Hey! Yet another great informative video! I remember I've seen in one of your episodes you mentioning getting boat from Moorings. Can't remember though whether you said you would do it again or not.. I'm starting to search for my new to me monohull, and Moorings have few of them.. any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Would boil it down to this. Buying out of Moorings CAN be an excellent value. I would encourage a buyer to use a buyer’s representative when dealing with the Moorings brokerage. Our experience was painful and we have heard mixed reviews from others...some good, some bad bad bad. I would do it again, but would use a buyer’s broker.
@@TheOKellys thank you so much for really prompt and honest response! I'll give boat broker here in Portland, OR a call to see if he can help me out with it.. :-) hope to see you guys out there in tropics!!
Out at Tomahawk? I’d talk to a broker wherever the boat if you want to buy. You need to have eyes on the boat. Phones aren’t enough. Good luck!
@@TheOKellys well, the boats are in Caribbean.. so i guess i could contact brokers there..
That’s what I’d recommend.
Now that you have reviewed a NEEL 47 trimaran if you get the opportunity to review a Dragonfly 40 trimaran or a Rapido 60 trimaran it would make for a interesting comparison. Thanks
Would love to. Anyone out there able to hook us up?
The model matters, at least to me. The 51 solves a lot of the things you guys didn’t love. It’s also nice to here that you thought the build quality is good. It all depends on what you are comparing to. To me, compared to a lot of production cats, it’s really good. Compared to maybe a Balance or something that, well, you get what you pay for. The problem is, good luck picking up a used 51 for even what they sold for new 4 years ago. The 43 seems like an interesting option for a couple and more cruiser and less racer than the 47.
Nick, love your channel, wife and I have been hooked for some time ...especially as we live in the outer banks of NC and tracked your movements when in close proximity. Wife was particularly interested in your simple and easy-to-understand explanation of shelf clouds. Both she and I would like more weather topic explanations similar to that as I am sure that all current and future sailors would gain immense knowledge from your vast experience in this weather field. Now to my specific question. Currently trapped on the Atlantic ICW in the Waccamaw River (at a marina that was under water the day I arrived) due to flooding from the Waccamaw and Little Pee Dee Rivers. USCG finally closed the AICW as the water was in excess of eight feet higher than normal (medium to tall masters could not transit under fixed bridges, and more specifically, they instituted significant transit restrictions as the wakes from any type of marine vessel caused further water intrusion into homes and businesses along a stretch of the channel from just north of Conway SC to several miles south of Wachesaw SC). Anyway, I need help. Can not wrap my head around water levels and stacked water bodies close together, yet different flood water elevations. The Socastee fixed and RR bridges are about 6 miles upriver from me. Since last Saturday I have noted the water level on the day marker 20 yards from my boat drop 12 to 14 inches. I call the Socestee Bridge operator daily for their bridge clearance readings. Todays reading was just over 2 feet better than my gage, in other words, their bridge clearance was about 3.5 to 4 feet better since Saturday than my 12-14 inches during the same period. Do not understand why the mathematical difference and could use your expertise in understanding. Bill and Jon Sv ANEVRLU
Going to be straight up honest with you, this is way over my head. If you think meteorology is complicated, hydrology is 10x more so. You've got gravity waves, currents, basins, bathymetry, tidal effects, inflow, outflow, precip and tidal-bar effects...and it gives me a headache thinking of how the wind itself is affecting the whole thing. Long answer....I don't know. All I do know is that they close these waterways for good reason. The boat won't fare well in an encounter with a bridge. Be well, this too shall pass....
@@TheOKellys Nick, thanks for the timely and straight forward response. Thought I was loosing what usable brain cells I have left since I was unable to understand the water dynamics and system complexities associated with the challenge at hand. Will punt this question/situation to a few ACOE friends after returning home in a couple weeks.......providing the water level continues to drop by the upcoming mid week period. Stay safe, smooth passages. Keep the vids coming, we all lov'm. Sv ANEVRLU
i own the very first neel 45 , all in all i do agree with your assesment ,fun,wet and extremely easy to manage alone at sea...not so much in port. the 45 is a cutter so tacking isn’t easy. and it s an older design and philosophy than the 47. one point though..it s a tri one hull 2 amas not 2 hulls like a cat so no need for an anchor bridle on the amas.
Thanks for weighing in Boris. So no bridle for you? Just a snubber? Does yours have the sprit?
@@TheOKellys yes but the sprit came afterward...it wasn’t designed on the first 2 neel 45. i ´d say coming from 30+ years of monohulls that i still sail very much close to thewind and that the neel for me is less confortable than a cat..because we are going sliglthly faster and so hit waves faster. but all in all it s a sailor’s boat...tons of fun
@@borispoliti1008 hull number 5 galene had the sprit
@@teknotikpointbiz sur le mien le bout dehors a été rajouté apres, au début il n’y avait que le davier inox. autre difference sur galene et a partir du. numéro 3 le winch a tribord sur le roof pour hisser la GV qui n’existe pas sur le mien. c est en pieds de mat ( sorry kelly’s had to revert back to french as i believe tek otik is from quebec and my english isn’t sail technical enough)
@@borispoliti1008 comment est la vitesse sur votre bateau? Downwind par example?
What did the main hull do besides steadying the boat. Is it made for storage and just the motor ?
Loved the review! The Neel is a great boat and loved the speed which kind of opens up new destinations and what a great shower! Internal helm was fabulous.
Food for thought there and all things considered I personally still prefer the cat, mainly because of the wider hulls and the perfect level sailing.
Fantastic tour and comparison. Great video.
Interesting!------------was a bit surprised to find no comparison of side-wind forces on the rigging...............I expect that tris have no need for quite such severe triangulation of the spreaders...? giving better downwind boom angle to a following wind.......and also less severe jarring/wear and tear on the rigging generally. Because tris have a bit of heel and are not quite so rigidly set up, it seems they might absorb side-wind forces better..
Am i wrong?---did you notice any/much difference?
Your reply would be interesting and welcome. Thanks for the informative and fun program !
Hmmmm…..would take quite a few miles to figure that one out. And some measuring equipment. Not sure
Thanks for nice video. Very informative 🎉. You guys are simply amazing.
I took a very close look at the Neel before just committing to the Leopard 42. There is a new 43 Neel out that I considered but only one bathroom and really just one bedroom. Also with two dogs no way they would use the front of the boat between the spray and layout. Neel aft is just not a place you would hang out so I felt you lose space on the boat compared to the Leopards or other cats. I did get a change to talk with Joren who was a great guy and gave me lots of info. A few others have complained about craftsmanship/quality conreol on the Neels. There are a few youtube videos out there about the many issues folks have had with new boats that I hope they are taking care of. Looks like a blast to sail though but for dog owners it s not the best boat which is a small group of folks but probably children as well there might be issues.
You're gonna like your new boat. Take us for a ride?
If I was in the market for a multi-hull and was looking at Neel I would not get the models smaller than the 51. The amas on the smaller Neels are way too narrow for my liking and not the most convenient to use being separate. On the 51, there's internal ama access and the amas are appreciably more spacious. It is a big boat though.
@@jamesaron1967 Agree. if I could have utilized a 51 that would have been my choice. Did not like the narrow Ammas and having to enter from outside the main salon.
I would really like to see how this boat might handle 35-50 knots offshore. An honest review of a catamaran vs trimaran in some stiff breeze.
Thank you everybody for this vid , this was a great education ! Now I really can't make my mind up . I'll have to do more watching ,
Great videos, look forward to them! Thanks!
The issue of Vis vs Clarity sailing upwind into chop and Clarity slowing down in waves has to do with the greater displacement/momentum of Vis and possibly aerodinamic foil of the amas. Also a tri has greater flotation with three hulls. You guys are just great!! I'll meet you in the Exhumas one of these days!!! Vasco.
I like how they aren't playing games in the cockpit life jackets and life lines says we are serious, those big cabins are so comfortable. And that engine room instead of engine bay?I'm in luv.
Do you have a view on the publicized criticism of internal finish and price comparison to equivalent size cats ?? your assessment was great
The boat we were on was finished to a very high standard. Can only report what I experienced.
So how do gusts work on a catamaran? On a monohull, and it seems on a trimaran as well, gusts will cause the boat to heel which reduces the effective sailing area seen by the wind and at the same time heeling increases the keel's leverage. So we have an equilibrium of forces. On a catamaran, are you just pushed more sideways?
Reef for the gusts on a multihull. Monohull you reef for the average.
Can you do electric jet motors in the outriggers..?
Love your speal, you two are the real deal !! Safe sailing ⛵️
Wish I could smash the like button twice! Great review and tour. I think I found my new favorite boat! If only it was an electric motor! :-) What was their solar power like? Was there enough to keep them charged off grid and without the generator or do they need the generator?