This is quite impressive, I saw Cody Lundin Make one of these but he didn't explain it the way you have, thanks for going into such great detail. This looks like it could be one of the easier primitive fire making sets I've seen, certainly has to be easier than spinning a spindle with your palms...ouch.
You can't help but like an honest man. I love watching you come to a conclusion, to see your thought processes as you figure out new things and teach us new stuff. Well done.
Pretty darn good for a first time around. Been studying the construction now for some time. Your video deffinetly pushed me now to schedule this in on my next day of "dirt" time. Thanks Dave Canterbury
Great video! Now that you have your pump drill with a chuck, put a stone point on it and make a heavier, more centered weight. Your thoughts at the end were spot on!
I can honestly say that is the first time I have ever seen that system built and used. I read about it in a book a long time ago that had a few interesting pictures and diagrams, but it is much more impresive to see it in motion. I do remember something about it possibly useing a stone or molded clay counterweight, I am going to have to research that. Thanks
Very cool device. Thanks for sharing this. If nothing else, this would make for a good tool for drilling consistent holes in wood. That "bit" goes right through that soft wood. I wouldn't want to have to drill 100 holes with it. But if I was out in the wilderness and needed a couple of quick holes drilled, this tool would do it relatively easily.
Great video Dave! Thank you for going through all the steps to show us. Definitely not a quick made fire set up. Just burning a hole through that fly wheel takes a lot of time.
Nice! Don't' forget the bowdrill for making holes...good oak spindle with some sand in the hole will drill a hole through soft wood quick like! So awesome that you can just take a concept and make it work like that. Good stuff.
the drill stalls when you lift the handle upwards; if you just let inertia wind the string when the handle is going up you wont have that problem. it seems like you noticed though near the end. the counter weight might actually act as a fly wheel too, maybe mess around with a larger diameter one?
Thanks for the video Dave. aside from making fire, I think the value of learning how to make such a tool is that it could be used as an actual drill to make holes for different building purposes in a primitive situation. I'm sure if it is refined some more it would be quite efficient for such a task. Just my two cents. :)
not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but physics wise, the larger diameter the weight the more efficient the rig will be. longer spindle is great but then you need a longer press board as well. you would be well served to have a 12 inch log that's roughly 3 inches in thickness.
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Very impressive. First time I've seen this and liked a lot. Thank for that Marcio
Enjoyed watching, great series for sure. I was wondering if the weight could be used to jam the chuck shut and so hold the wieght tight and close the chuck at the same time. Saving the cordage.
i feel it you kept a piece of plate steel in your pack it would aid in the flywheel effect on the pump drill. a piece of plate 1/4 inch thick x 6 inch round with a hole in the middle of it. or a weight lifting plate. it could be a concrete poured plastic covered type too. if the pump handle isn't quite wide enough for the spindle of the drill to go through it. to the point the handle may break in the process of making fire. you can whittle down the spindle a little more. or find a bigger limb to make a new handle.
very cool, the ability to have a "chuck" is ideal. Would you say that this a more for a "base camp" no so much something that you carry around with you?
I like your channel always usable information and you don't whine about things, like the racoons got into the chickens or just the doldrums about a hike or such... keep up the good work... and thank you...
Well like you said the eastern woodlands is a little humid maybe for the rubbing sticks technique, the chuck is a great idea. I'm going to make an attempt at making one. I live in ohio too so I don't guarantee success creating flame either. If the environmental conditions were right that would definitely work. No argument there.
Counter weight does not have to be round the piece you made for the pump handle could be shorter to be more effective and if you had cut it in half you could make pump handle and counter weight out of same piece bore hope through both Also in the interest of making pump drill faster the pumpm handle does not have to have a hole in it .... it can ride on the side of spindle..... A shorter pump handle gives more down force also if you put hole through spindle for cordage and have shortpiece above that you can use a socket to increase down force My fav method of making counterweight is make it thin and larger diameter..... larger diameter needs less weight to store energy 2 fav tools in the woods are a spoke shave because it can be used as a froe...... And a combo bow saw hand drill I make ...... With one adjustable wood bit from 1/2 inch to 3/4 fits most needs for building camp stools and chairs and is so versatile I would rather have it than any other tool including Any fire starting tools
If the crossbar was longer, I think it would make it more stable and give more speed to the bit because of the added amount of string and the tighter the wind will be on the spindle.
If you put the pump drill under a brace board and put your chest on it (about heart high location), that is your downward pressure. Use your arms below you for your aerobic exercise of (French press) downward push and(biceps) upwards pull. This keeps the string intact and doesn't make you make more heat (caloric burn) than the fire pump!
I laughed so hard when Dave said to burn the ends of the bankline with a lighter. He's making a primitive fire drill! You obviously wouldn't have a lighter if you had to make this drill to get fire!
I'm glad your doing this one because this is something I've never tried. Seems like more work then it's worth. What are your personal thoughts now that you've done it?
interesting vid , would it be quicker to tie a couple of rocks for your fly wheel bit. one advantage with this machine is the strings last longer than on a bow drill.
casual observation: If you were to make a bit that had a sharp rock stuck in it you could use that rig to drill holes in wood bone or other stuff even rock if you used a hard stone to drill a soft stone.
Ive not dealt with the pump drill ever before would you say its easier or harder to use over a bow drill from a calorie stand point? It seems like it would take longer to build but not as much physical effort start to finish as a bow drill if you can get the motion and timing down.
Professor Apoc My guess is that this is not something you'd build for your first fire, but rather something you build once you're smoothing it to prepare for future fires. Another benefit is if you had a drill bit or even a sharp piece of metal, you could also use this as a regular drill to make precise holes changing out the bits with the chuck as needed, not just for making fire.
I think that your cordage was too long for that spindle by about 2 inches. Just like an engine shorter stroke equals hifher rpm. Also the winding and unwinding will stretch the cord so you need to account for that. Just my 2 cents. But good job. The chuck looked great
Primitive fire , its my fav way. I have made them big , I have made the small. It looked like you bar could me shortened to give you 5 to 6 twists on your spindle . Looked like you where only geting about 3.
Cool pump drill, bit using fire to make something that makes fire is backwards. Why bother making it? You already have fire. I would suggest using a bag with rocks or splitting a chunk of wood then tying that.
This is quite impressive, I saw Cody Lundin Make one of these but he didn't explain it the way you have, thanks for going into such great detail. This looks like it could be one of the easier primitive fire making sets I've seen, certainly has to be easier than spinning a spindle with your palms...ouch.
You can't help but like an honest man. I love watching you come to a conclusion, to see your thought processes as you figure out new things and teach us new stuff. Well done.
Mr. Cantebury, thank you for your military service to our great nation on this memorial weekend. Semper fidelis!
can hardly wait each day or so to see what aspect of survival you are going to highlight. keep up the good work.
These are the types of videos I miss on this channel. I hope they make a come back
Dave thank you for your awesome instruction in all things bushcraft.Hope you and your family have a blessed memorial day.
Pretty darn good for a first time around. Been studying the construction now for some time. Your video deffinetly pushed me now to schedule this in on my next day of "dirt" time. Thanks Dave Canterbury
Thanks Dave never seen one of those made before!
I have enjoyed making these in different manners for years.
I loved that you burned your way through the pine counter weight.
Great job Dave!
Great video! Now that you have your pump drill with a chuck, put a stone point on it and make a heavier, more centered weight. Your thoughts at the end were spot on!
First pump drill I've actually seen made. Interesting concept.
Great video of learning process. Liked the close up of the board with pile of wood dust/embers. We had wondered how to make fire drill!
Dave, that was awesome! I am looking forward to attempting that here in the NW. Thanks Brother!
Hahaha, you're a stud Dave Canterbury!
I truly enjoyed!
Thanks Dave….Jeez, I never really could figure out why we needed the fly wheel. Awesome explanation.
Great job, Brother, really! That chuck system was genius.
I can honestly say that is the first time I have ever seen that system built and used. I read about it in a book a long time ago that had a few interesting pictures and diagrams, but it is much more impresive to see it in motion. I do remember something about it possibly useing a stone or molded clay counterweight, I am going to have to research that. Thanks
Interesting technique Dave , nice to see your skills in making the pump drill. Thanks.
hi ! have made one recently and tried a couple of times with no success. Your video shows some improvements i can make. Thanks Dave
Great work Dave, first time I've seen that done.
One of your best videos. It was fun to watch.
Very cool device. Thanks for sharing this. If nothing else, this would make for a good tool for drilling consistent holes in wood. That "bit" goes right through that soft wood. I wouldn't want to have to drill 100 holes with it. But if I was out in the wilderness and needed a couple of quick holes drilled, this tool would do it relatively easily.
Great video Dave! Thank you for going through all the steps to show us. Definitely not a quick made fire set up. Just burning a hole through that fly wheel takes a lot of time.
Nice to see you using the Jeff White Bush knife. great vid Dave
Great vid Dave, looking forward to your oil watchcoat shelter !!!
Nice! Don't' forget the bowdrill for making holes...good oak spindle with some sand in the hole will drill a hole through soft wood quick like! So awesome that you can just take a concept and make it work like that. Good stuff.
GREAT. Now a set of drill bits from bone or stone for drilling holes.
My same idea, but I could forge a metal bit very easily to actually drill holes with. Love the chuck idea.
Glad to see you using the PLSK1.
That was cool! Thanks Dave.
Dave you the Man. JoeTeti and Bear Grylls cant hold a candle to you!!! Love your videos! I watch you every day!!!
Great video as usual Dave. Thanks
the drill stalls when you lift the handle upwards; if you just let inertia wind the string when the handle is going up you wont have that problem. it seems like you noticed though near the end.
the counter weight might actually act as a fly wheel too, maybe mess around with a larger diameter one?
Excellent demonstration and information
Thank you for another great instructional video.
Thanks for the video Dave. aside from making fire, I think the value of learning how to make such a tool is that it could be used as an actual drill to make holes for different building purposes in a primitive situation. I'm sure if it is refined some more it would be quite efficient for such a task. Just my two cents. :)
Wow .. Awesome Dave !! Keep the videos coming brother ..
keep up the good work Dave
I like the idea of putting a chuck system in a bow drill system.
not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but physics wise, the larger diameter the weight the more efficient the rig will be. longer spindle is great but then you need a longer press board as well. you would be well served to have a 12 inch log that's roughly 3 inches in thickness.
Very impressive. First time I've seen this and liked a lot. Thank for that Marcio
Enjoyed watching, great series for sure. I was wondering if the weight could be used to jam the chuck shut and so hold the wieght tight and close the chuck at the same time. Saving the cordage.
Good Job Dave, very kewl, now ill have to go try one myself
Flywheel on a bowdrill.. I like the concept.
A new project to try. I learned something today. Thank you :)
Looks to me like you could use that setup for a lot of things beside fire. Could be very useful to someone as a tool.
Thanks
I really enjoy your videos. Can't wait to see more
Awesome demo, very cool!
Hahaha awesome Dave, I imagine hafting some elongated oval flint heads would turn this into a simple machine drill?
Nice video I'll have to give it a try sometime.
Nice. i need to try this. Thanks for sharing. Cheers
I wonder if the grinding wheel will throw sparks from grinding mildsteel or other rockswhile it is turning thanks Dave
I'm glad you did this. Now I never have to. Thanks.
i feel it you kept a piece of plate steel in your pack it would aid in the flywheel effect on the pump drill. a piece of plate 1/4 inch thick x 6 inch round with a hole in the middle of it. or a weight lifting plate. it could be a concrete poured plastic covered type too. if the pump handle isn't quite wide enough for the spindle of the drill to go through it. to the point the handle may break in the process of making fire. you can whittle down the spindle a little more. or find a bigger limb to make a new handle.
very cool, the ability to have a "chuck" is ideal. Would you say that this a more for a "base camp" no so much something that you carry around with you?
I like your channel always usable information and you don't whine about things, like the racoons got into the chickens or just the doldrums about a hike or such... keep up the good work... and thank you...
Really cool Dave.
For the chuck, make an "L" shaped shelf that you can match with the poplar bit, then wrap it to hold it in place.
get it Dave good work my man
Well like you said the eastern woodlands is a little humid maybe for the rubbing sticks technique, the chuck is a great idea. I'm going to make an attempt at making one. I live in ohio too so I don't guarantee success creating flame either. If the environmental conditions were right that would definitely work. No argument there.
Counter weight does not have to be round the piece you made for the pump handle could be shorter to be more effective and if you had cut it in half you could make pump handle and counter weight out of same piece bore hope through both
Also in the interest of making pump drill faster the pumpm handle does not have to have a hole in it .... it can ride on the side of spindle.....
A shorter pump handle gives more down force also if you put hole through spindle for cordage and have shortpiece above that you can use a socket to increase down force
My fav method of making counterweight is make it thin and larger diameter..... larger diameter needs less weight to store energy
2 fav tools in the woods are a spoke shave because it can be used as a froe...... And a combo bow saw hand drill I make ...... With one adjustable wood bit from 1/2 inch to 3/4 fits most needs for building camp stools and chairs and is so versatile I would rather have it than any other tool including Any fire starting tools
If the crossbar was longer, I think it would make it more stable and give more speed to the bit because of the added amount of string and the tighter the wind will be on the spindle.
Thanks dave endeaver to persevere
If you put the pump drill under a brace board and put your chest on it (about heart high location), that is your downward pressure.
Use your arms below you for your aerobic exercise of (French press) downward push and(biceps) upwards pull.
This keeps the string intact and doesn't make you make more heat (caloric burn) than the fire pump!
Excellent video sir. What would be the advantage, if any, of this pump drill vs a bow drill?
-Jacko
as cool as a burtonsville rig :)...as always a good watch ATB
Sweet brother. Nice set!
Sounded like you also invented a predator call there for a few moments. Nice video. Thanks.
And sounds like a good project for turkey season
I laughed so hard when Dave said to burn the ends of the bankline with a lighter. He's making a primitive fire drill! You obviously wouldn't have a lighter if you had to make this drill to get fire!
Hey Dave, thanks for the great videos. Could you tell me about how long it took to burn through that counterbalance weight?
Luv the pump drill.
I'm glad your doing this one because this is something I've never tried. Seems like more work then it's worth. What are your personal thoughts now that you've done it?
Dave, are you attending Blade Atlanta during the weekend?
interesting vid , would it be quicker to tie a couple of rocks for your fly wheel bit. one advantage with this machine is the strings last longer than on a bow drill.
I was told a 1/4 inch drill bit and pliers are a good thing to have in a camp set
is it and would it made this process easier?
That's really complicated but that's really cool...
Great job, but if you have fire to bore through the counter weight.... do you really need the pump?? Lol good video!
Instead of making a longer spindle you might also use a shorter Handel/ pump bar to get more cord on the spindle to make more RPM's
casual observation: If you were to make a bit that had a sharp rock stuck in it you could use that rig to drill holes in wood bone or other stuff even rock if you used a hard stone to drill a soft stone.
Ive not dealt with the pump drill ever before would you say its easier or harder to use over a bow drill from a calorie stand point? It seems like it would take longer to build but not as much physical effort start to finish as a bow drill if you can get the motion and timing down.
Great job
Great video. Just wondering if there is a way to make the counter weight without fire. Would be interesting to see.
You could probably use a primitive awl but it would be time and labor intensive and it would burn a lot of calories
2 half moon cuts in a log split in half laying lengthwise and some cordage should work as good as the one he demonstrates
That was my thought.
Professor Apoc My guess is that this is not something you'd build for your first fire, but rather something you build once you're smoothing it to prepare for future fires. Another benefit is if you had a drill bit or even a sharp piece of metal, you could also use this as a regular drill to make precise holes changing out the bits with the chuck as needed, not just for making fire.
I have seen it where you have rocks and lash them between two pieces of wood like a sandwhich instead of log round.
if you went a little shorter with the handle i think it would be a bit better too. great vid dave
Another strong vid! How long did it take you to make your set start to finish?
What was the knife used in this video? Please and thank you?
Dave how long did this whole process take you?
I think that your cordage was too long for that spindle by about 2 inches. Just like an engine shorter stroke equals hifher rpm. Also the winding and unwinding will stretch the cord so you need to account for that. Just my 2
cents. But good job. The chuck looked great
Very interesting. Seems to work pretty well.
:-)
Primitive fire , its my fav way. I have made them big , I have made the small. It looked like you bar could me shortened to give you 5 to 6 twists on your spindle . Looked like you where only geting about 3.
Why not try the bit system in a regular bow drill?
rather than or maybe in addition to a longer spindle you might want it a little thinner which would also give you more revelutions.
thank you!
It seems like it takes more time to use this set-up than a Bow Drill set.
that is cool and good job
Which knife is that look super thick
Dave what knife is that
Cool pump drill, bit using fire to make something that makes fire is backwards. Why bother making it? You already have fire. I would suggest using a bag with rocks or splitting a chunk of wood then tying that.
sry dave but i laugh so hard on the #1 thing: stop hittin my face twice...but anyway....this is great
U the man Dave... Dual Survival is going down the toilet since U left. Its Obvious.
JW
Outstanding