These guys are real pioneers and out on their own. Gotta respect that. They have paved the way for new and old industrial/electronic and experimental acts like Nine Inch Nails, Gary Numan, Depeche Mode, Front Line Assembly, Cabaret Voltaire, Front Line Assembly, Coil, Burial, Aphex Twin, Angel Spit, AllFlaws
TG are legends, the nucleus that everything spread from but not necessarily identical or directly from. A lot of what people call Industrial nowadays can be split into two interpretations, 1) The umbrella term 'Industrial' used to encompass EBM, Aggrotech, Futurepop etc. and 2) Such bands as NIN, which I don't personally see as having a relation. Sifting through the chaos of mislabelling and rapid change, we can see that TG although different, are the founders of what we now call industrial.
This is a pretty informative interview. I was always interested in TG's working methods, and the idea that they all sort of "connected" psychically to make their music is pretty awesome. Also, Cosey's laugh at 9:19 after she says "We put the card out" is so lovely :)
Hey I remember seeing that richard metzger in the late 90's in a tv show late nights on channel 4 uk called disinfonation. Awesome show of counter culture.
Haven't done your own homework clearly. Richard Metzger has been friends with Genesis for well over a decade and is well aware of TG's background and methods.
TG it's unique and make music not for the masses but to be discovered and explored,i love the white noise done by the guitar and synthesizers being used and abused on stage,as a raw blind doing myself sound.
I think Gen is still doing something really amazging. What do you mean that he's useless? Im not being insulting to you, I'm curious to know what you think.
@GreenFont I like to think of it as Raymond Watts from PIg put it, "industrial is a lazy term." It is now, everything's called industrial! I've heard people call everything from Nitzer Ebb to Angelspit, it's crazy man!
For real. She help on that People are People's intro was 'Industrial" and that bands like that were 'hard". I think my milk must have shot out my nose at lunch when i heard that. Keep in mind this was 1994, so music was different then, but EN reigns supreme over DM!
Trent Reznor made the Donward Spiral, before people bitch about NIN being sellout please listen to the record mentioned above, it is the most sonically mindblowing record, so far ahead of its time, What he did was very different to TG, a more conventional approach, but the majority of NIN'S discography is flawless, and its great NIN became huge, he was greatly influenced by Throbbing Gristle who of course are legendary pioneers of the sound.
A great deal of the stuff that Throbbing Gristle does--and I like Throbbing Gristle--was done by Cage (Cartridge Music), MEV, AMM and even Paul Bley in the late 1960's and 1970's), or Can a little later. I like TG, but the origins of this are a little deeper.
Evolution of Industrial music TG,SPK,Einsturzende Neubauten->Skinny Puppy, Ministry,Depeche Mode->NIN,Rammstein->Combichrist, God Module, Wumpscut->shit bands such as Grendel and MSI As you can see, the roots were and in some cases are genii but we are in the modern and most shitastic part of the evolution that barely resembles it's early stages at all. From Avant Garde art to standard club dance bull shit. I'll take the core thank you very much. Long live TG.
Is it me, or is there something wrong with seeing these guys using laptops and Ikea desks on stage now? Like finding out Kraftwerks big 'control consoles' were nothing more than fancy housed Roland and Korg synths. There was something about the image of TG with their gear before that just isn't there now. To me, a 'reunion' should bring back the old instruments and methods as well. Much like seeing VU in Hugo Boss clothes and Moe playing a Roland Octapad and Cale using some body less cello. WTF?
@MetalGearNaked NIN is what Industrial as established by TG on an alternative fringe evolved into as mainstream consumption. Along the way, you had stuff like Skinny Puppy and Scraping Foetus off a Wheel and Ministry. Skinny Puppy and TG are very different, but there's no calling SP "industrial rock." There is no "pure" industrial, there are just industrial periods... TG is a root of it all. This is all just labeling semantics.
I remember one bubblehead in highschool telling ppl "Depeche Mode is so industrial" and that Einsturzende Neubauten was stupid. Yeah....right. She later died in a car crash, probably with Blasphemous Rumours playing. Is that irony?
No, I understand. I just think P Orridge is and always has been an attention getter. TG and PTV early on were amazing because of the other members involved. I tend to think of Gen as a Warhol-type; he brings people together, and that's his talent. Of course, other than getting back with TG, he hasn't done anything worthwhile in a decade or two. (And yes, I do own Trip Reset)
I know billion underground(and some not, NOT AT ALL) bands that have 100% industrial in a rhytmic form buy combining anthing that can be Industrial, they made good rhytmic versions, some even too/pure rhytmic, and its REAL industrial, not the modern "electro-industrial" or Harsh EBM we have...
in response to all this NIN stuff - NIN was a great band and clearly these guys and other 'real industrial' groups thought so too because NIN worked with Coil and Foetus and many others on numerous occasions. Seems a little pointless for all you to be arguing the toss when the artists you're discussing have clearly made their decision without you, 15 years ago...
Every scene has it's god father as Peter Murphy is for goth,Throbbing Gristle is for the industrial but not what it is today and NIN is not totally industrial i would say the closest band to the gristle's would be Die Form and Seraph there u have some connection.
I'm sorry but as arrogant as this comment seem to be i have to say NIN is not shit. Not the best or worst band out there but respectably noticed,They've conquered with years of experience their space in the media,Trent Reznor is very talented and need to be recognized as a very good musician,now there are all types of "industrial" bands with all sorta ambient s and contents.I see NIN as using
These interviewers didn’t realize how lucky they were to talk to Peter Christopherson, one of the greatest artistic minds ever to exist.
These guys are real pioneers and out on their own. Gotta respect that.
They have paved the way for new and old industrial/electronic and experimental acts like Nine Inch Nails, Gary Numan, Depeche Mode, Front Line Assembly, Cabaret Voltaire, Front Line Assembly, Coil, Burial, Aphex Twin, Angel Spit, AllFlaws
TG are legends, the nucleus that everything spread from but not necessarily identical or directly from.
A lot of what people call Industrial nowadays can be split into two interpretations, 1) The umbrella term 'Industrial' used to encompass EBM, Aggrotech, Futurepop etc. and 2) Such bands as NIN, which I don't personally see as having a relation. Sifting through the chaos of mislabelling and rapid change, we can see that TG although different, are the founders of what we now call industrial.
I'd kill to see more interview and gig footage, guys. It would be a lovely way to honor Gen and Sleazy.
This is a pretty informative interview. I was always interested in TG's working methods, and the idea that they all sort of "connected" psychically to make their music is pretty awesome. Also, Cosey's laugh at 9:19 after she says "We put the card out" is so lovely :)
Thanx for this...
Nice to see those people again :-)
Greetings
H.Kern (Schattenheim)
Cabaret Voltaire and Throbbing Gristle are the pioneers
They seem surprisingly down to earth
Let us not forget about Kluster when we talk about industrial music. They were pioneering the genre in 1970.
I saw Sleazy with a Kaossiator :D awesome...I'm seeing them live tomorrow in London, my all time favourite band
Hey I remember seeing that richard metzger in the late 90's in a tv show late nights on channel 4 uk called disinfonation. Awesome show of counter culture.
Haven't done your own homework clearly. Richard Metzger has been friends with Genesis for well over a decade and is well aware of TG's background and methods.
TG it's unique and make music not for the masses but to be discovered and explored,i love the white noise done by the guitar and synthesizers being used and abused on stage,as a raw blind doing myself sound.
I think Gen is still doing something really amazging. What do you mean that he's useless? Im not being insulting to you, I'm curious to know what you think.
You forgot Front Line Assembly ;)
Well said!
@GreenFont I like to think of it as Raymond Watts from PIg put it, "industrial is a lazy term."
It is now, everything's called industrial! I've heard people call everything from Nitzer Ebb to Angelspit, it's crazy man!
appreciate it
For real. She help on that People are People's intro was 'Industrial" and that bands like that were 'hard". I think my milk must have shot out my nose at lunch when i heard that. Keep in mind this was 1994, so music was different then, but EN reigns supreme over DM!
Trent Reznor made the Donward Spiral, before people bitch about NIN being sellout please listen to the record mentioned above, it is the most sonically mindblowing record, so far ahead of its time, What he did was very different to TG, a more conventional approach, but the majority of NIN'S discography is flawless, and its great NIN became huge, he was greatly influenced by Throbbing Gristle who of course are legendary pioneers of the sound.
pioneers ov sound eternal.would love to have a conversation wth genesis.great stuff.
so i need to get it basically!! yea you should post somethings i would like to hear some tape manipulation personally
A great deal of the stuff that Throbbing Gristle does--and I like Throbbing Gristle--was done by Cage (Cartridge Music), MEV, AMM and even Paul Bley in the late 1960's and 1970's), or Can a little later. I like TG, but the origins of this are a little deeper.
Evolution of Industrial music
TG,SPK,Einsturzende Neubauten->Skinny Puppy, Ministry,Depeche Mode->NIN,Rammstein->Combichrist, God Module, Wumpscut->shit bands such as Grendel and MSI
As you can see, the roots were and in some cases are genii but we are in the modern and most shitastic part of the evolution that barely resembles it's early stages at all. From Avant Garde art to standard club dance bull shit. I'll take the core thank you very much. Long live TG.
Where is this early footage from? It looks incredible.
3:56 Holy shit, they use the Korg DS-10 too!
Is it me, or is there something wrong with seeing these guys using laptops and Ikea desks on stage now? Like finding out Kraftwerks big 'control consoles' were nothing more than fancy housed Roland and Korg synths. There was something about the image of TG with their gear before that just isn't there now. To me, a 'reunion' should bring back the old instruments and methods as well. Much like seeing VU in Hugo Boss clothes and Moe playing a Roland Octapad and Cale using some body less cello. WTF?
Throbbing Gristle is psychedelic
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@MetalGearNaked NIN is what Industrial as established by TG on an alternative fringe evolved into as mainstream consumption. Along the way, you had stuff like Skinny Puppy and Scraping Foetus off a Wheel and Ministry. Skinny Puppy and TG are very different, but there's no calling SP "industrial rock." There is no "pure" industrial, there are just industrial periods... TG is a root of it all. This is all just labeling semantics.
Good Heavens !
@swineburn kluster made ambient music and krautrock, both of which are influential on industrial but not quite industrial
I remember one bubblehead in highschool telling ppl "Depeche Mode is so industrial" and that Einsturzende Neubauten was stupid. Yeah....right. She later died in a car crash, probably with Blasphemous Rumours playing. Is that irony?
No, I understand. I just think P Orridge is and always has been an attention getter. TG and PTV early on were amazing because of the other members involved. I tend to think of Gen as a Warhol-type; he brings people together, and that's his talent. Of course, other than getting back with TG, he hasn't done anything worthwhile in a decade or two. (And yes, I do own Trip Reset)
R. Metzger --to the rescue!
(Whomever he is)
tou didnt mention tg to a bird in th 80s if you wanted abit
I know billion underground(and some not, NOT AT ALL) bands that have 100% industrial in a rhytmic form buy combining anthing that can be Industrial, they made good rhytmic versions, some even too/pure rhytmic, and its REAL industrial, not the modern "electro-industrial" or Harsh EBM we have...
in response to all this NIN stuff - NIN was a great band and clearly these guys and other 'real industrial' groups thought so too because NIN worked with Coil and Foetus and many others on numerous occasions. Seems a little pointless for all you to be arguing the toss when the artists you're discussing have clearly made their decision without you, 15 years ago...
I like certain elents of TG no question--to call them originators is bullshit.
What is trhe song at the begginging?
what have you run thru it?
Disipline?
:/ I agree slightly
Every scene has it's god father as Peter Murphy is for goth,Throbbing Gristle is for the industrial but not what it is today and NIN is not totally industrial i would say the closest band to the gristle's would be Die Form and Seraph there u have some connection.
now adays anything goes., and i dont think that is o OK......
I feel the same about commercial radio music. If you gotta push a button to hear it, i'll pass.
After Cease to Exist
Genesis looked a lot better when he was younger. What was his problem?
I'm sorry but as arrogant as this comment seem to be i have to say NIN is not shit.
Not the best or worst band out there but respectably noticed,They've conquered with years of experience their space in the media,Trent Reznor is very talented and need to be recognized as a very good musician,now there are all types of "industrial" bands with all sorta ambient s and contents.I see NIN as using
are you fucking kidding?
Genesis is nearly useless now.
Horrible start to the interview.