I own one of those so this videos was extremely informative It was a gift from a friend and I think it’s one of the best batons out for the quality It takes a bit getting used to it and hitting hard and accurate takes practice I also agree… 4 out of 5
I think it is too big so hard to carry and conceal. It is too heavy and that is why it is hard to maneuver. Mine is only 21" and that is plenty. The cross guard I would consider a liability because it could catch on something and slow deployment. Also unnecessary. Seems most people forget we have two hands so I have a pepper spray or a stabby-pointy thing to the other hand as part of my EDC. A shot of Dog and Coyote Repellent changes things up pretty tidily.
so when fighting baton vs knife, the one using the baton should be trying to defend by attacking the arm holding the knife, not by praying the knife blade since the knife is to short. it's also a good idea to use superior range to strike at the head and ribs with the baton. if you want to really do this test properly you need to get the person with the knife in protective gear and test those things.
@@yamiyomizuki But they aren’t testing the usefulness of the weapon, they are testing the usefulness of the guard. If you’re just abusing the length advantage of the baton, then the guard becomes irrelevant.
Instead of ribs I would target the shins,forearms, the spine,the knees,then the neck for a knockout strike. I feel the ribs would be a trapped position if the opponent grabs your arm.
Tactical baton are seriously underestimated. When used by moderately strong person, they can easily break joints and cause concussions and potentially death. They're more lethal than wooden clubs/tonfas.
They are also easy to conceal To take a 10inch weapon and turn it into 3 feet in a second is very tactical I believe this is a highly under rated means of protection
I agree. The other thing to remember is that most of us have two hands so a pepper spray or a stabby-pointy thing to the other hand is the way I "dance."
I love the edits you do with the animated blood, people play pretend too much and don´t realize that Knives are an absolute nightmare. just look how insanely she would have cut him if she was an attacker going all out, even while the baton is longer and has a ton of reach not being a cutting weapon puts you at a disadvantage vs a knife, Run first, if attacker is already trapped you then pull out this thing. GREAT CONTENT.
Often more deadly than firearms in close combat. Unlike gunshot wounds, knife wounds are deadly even on the extremities. For fun: don a long sleeved white T-shirt, give your opponent a practice knife with the edges coated in lipstick, then have at it. And see how well you can prevent being stabbed / cut.
He was not attacking her. he was only doing defense to see if the guard was going to help with defense. Alos the fact that the baton spontaneously collapsed is a major point reduction. Nobody needs a flaccid baton.
@@frankbauerful Exactly. I'm not sure what they are trying to showcase when the baton is deflecting the knife attacks. Just attack the hand with the baton and it's over.
Probably 90% of the value would be from looking intimidating and causing the assailant to decide it wasn't worth messing with you. For that purpose, I think a flashlight with surprise taser arc setting is even better. Plus, it's just so reasonable to already be carrying the flashlight at night. Having a reason to have it out already is a big plus. That's also why the sturdy umbrella is a good option.
If you want them to get close enough so you can use a non-projecting tazer you are already dead. If it is a projecting tazer, what if you miss or they have a thick leather jacket on. If you are willing to trade a steel rod for an umbrella, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. When I am out at night, I have a 1500 Lumen headlamp on tight focus with a baton deployable to one hand and a pepper spray or stabby-pointy thing to the other ... depending on my mood.
Baton is better. The baton user in this one uses it to test the effectiveness of the guard and try to use like a sword. They should let an FMA practitioner show them the better use of baton
I'm not a big fan of the collapsing batons. I'd rather have a weapon that I can use to thrust, and batons are made to collapse when they strike something hard in a thrusting motion. However, the idea of a guard on a baton is interesting. Maybe they could add something that would lock the baton open when the guard is turned into place. That would be a very nice weapon.
Well, the issue is, weapon that good for thrust motion mostly is not versatile to hide and carry around. But there's already baton with feature with automatic system in locking mode that exist more than decade ago. So when it's lengthed even showly it just locked automatically and permanently, and you just need to press the button on the bottom of the baton if you want to shorten it again. Usually these type of baton can be quite expensive. Also these type of baton is also already common to use by the Cops in many countries. But still, this type of baton with automatic lock feature, still can end up fail to handle something over-pressure thrust, so if you try to thrust object or person too hard than the lock can handle, sometimes the baton lock feature will unlocked it self because the lock can't handle pressure when it's too great. but that still much better than your typical classic manual baton that rely on friction to get locked. Also basically still the best thing you can get now as versatile combat stick.
@@stuffguru None of the batons that I've seen advertised have had a locking mechanism. All of them would close with a sharp axial tap on the end of the baton. I know that the "lock" in place when they are extended, but they unlock and collapse when struck hard on the end.
@@Ilyas-ty6cy Thanks, I have never seen this type of baton advertised. All of the ones I've seen have been without the button on the bottom that would hold the baton locked until released. I would consider the button to be a big improvement, but I understand how designing that system would add to the cost. Knowing that the lock system might still fail would discourage me from buying one.
@@VTPSTTU Well, I mean, these equipment are mean to use by officer or special unit police. Of course you will never hear or see advertisement about it. But base on my experience since I also own that type of baton, the lock actually still strong enough to be used for thrust in level to actually hurt person, even yes just to make sure just not overly hard especially to hard object, even with casual strength it's actually enough to hurt person especially when hit on the chest. Also just said you did it overly hard and the baton lock collapse, then no issue, you can just lengthed again, it's locked and it's ready for another thrust. Usually a known brand that sell this baton are, ASP Monadnock, Bonowi, and NEX. But for myself I basically have some connection to buy a subsidied version that used as standard equipment for a Cops in my country. So I can get it with cheaper price with no needed to pay for imported delivery cost and extra tax.
In concept, I like it, but I think a redesign is warranted. Rotating the guard open should act like a 'forward assist' and push the baton into the fully extended and fully locked position, and you should not be able to collapse the baton without folding the guard.
This. I also assumed it would lock the baton. As the weakness of baton is that it might collapses when you use it to lunge or riposte to keep your opponent at bay; which is also why one would need a guard.
I was thinking the same when watching the video. Why not make a mechanism that locks the batton in the open position when rotating the guard. In fact this is exactly what I thought when I first watched the video and then disappointed when I found out it wasnt as such.
I have been looking at videos of these, and I also thought the baton locked when the guard was opened until I saw this video. It's really begging for that to be the design. Why in the world is that NOT the design? Not having the baton lock creates danger for the wielder through unpredictability, shifting weight, and inaccuracy! It boggles my mind that it isn't actually designed the way it's clearly meant to be designed.
HEMA guy here, and I musty say, you have lovely techniques, I learned something new. And for baton vs knife situation, I guess, you were just guarding yourself, but one hit to hed, with longer baton is game over. Hit, thrust, longer reach...baton is superior to knife. Knife wins only as a surprise, easily to hide weapon, or while held by someone who can be way better than someone using the baton. I was surprised you let yourself attack like that. Plus, footwork, you stood there and let yourself to be hit. But I guess, it was all for a semi-eductaional purposes, and part of it was to entertain. Nicely done video, and I hope you would do more thorough research next time.
I've seen those from Chinese online sellers. They make a 21 and 26 or 28in one iirc? Just a novelty but with these things they're best for hitting kneecaps. Or breaking glass in an emergency or something.
It’s not a sword! Why are you using it like one?? It’s more like a very precise bat. *Beat your foe into submission!💪🏾😤* Edit: Do this test again with full, proper protection and really go at it!
That's what I was thinking as well, it was stupid to use it defensively in the way they were doing it. The baton is to create distance, especially against knives. There demonstration with the knife, even though he said defending, was baffling to me.
I really fail to see how you can implicate you are evaluating the self defense capability of a weapon when your evaluation style is so severely biased by what I have no doubt is your very well exercised practice of kenjutsu. The way the knife is being wielded would make any army instructor from any nation cringe to see the base grip flailing slice style. And to see a baton used to defend against that flailing with range mauling side parries is completely unbelievable. I understand that you were attempting to demonstrate the weapon only in a defensive role but sadly I believe you have enfolded how those weapons are more commonly used into the confines of the body motions more reflective of your sport and woefully negligent of actual self defense maneuvers. I believe a little research and practice of knife use as well as baton use in self defense scenarios would make for a far more realistic demonstration and evaluation of the efficacy of the weapon(s).
If you are only blocking trying to catch the blade of the knife with the baton of course you will get hit, I get this was a sparring test but the techniques and focus were wrong. This is a blunt weapon is meant to break bones, do not try to block something so small as a knife, strike it instead, aiming at the hand or arm that holds it, and keep your distance you have a longer reach.
Is easy to win if the opponent never attack, and they use a weapon that can smash an human head only for parry. In this situation, you can win with a feather.
Baton works as an extension of your arm, it is an excellent self-defense weapon, your goal is to hit any other body as fast and as hard as you can to stop the other party from attacking you. Of course, you need to have the muscle and some experience to use it.
Not a bad thing to place on a baton, especially when you have a machete wielding attacker. I've served as a Law Enforcement Instructor for Firearms, OC, Hand to Hand and Tactical Baton. Unfortunately, all you were able to do against a knife user in a training scenario is block....as you had no training baton w/a handguard. I've found a baton to be one of the most effective LE weapons for combat scenarios within arms reach. When I used two I employ them as I would two short swords or w/one folded along my support-side forearm while the strong-side is poised to strike....two expandable PR-24's would be ideal but w/ Tactical Batons the support-side holds one in "reverse grip".
I'd be interested in any more ? I'm a keen Swordsman but trying to research and retain as much information about , walking stick, staffs, alternative fighting techniques. Military police videos are a excellent source of ideas."come along".
1:57 Sure you will get cut because you are in defence, do something, don't just stand there... The sooner you will run away.. OR attack the agressor the less you will get hurt.
Any guard is going to offer some protection for the hand, but these situations are why many more modern militaries (and even civilians) started adopting complex hilts, like basket hilts. This even included the shin gunto carried by 18th century Japanese soldiers.
Problem is ur trying to use it as a sword in the wrong range…is a tool that should be used to destroy ur opponents hand thereby nullifying the attack…defanging the snake as said in kali/escrimia, then striking hamstring and thighs to put opponent down, as the woman was doing with the knife…destroy the hand
I had an idea for an easy carry Buckler shield, just extend the handle outward a little more than make a belt holster where you could just slide the handle inside with maybe a strap holding it in. I think it's good idea.
against a knife attacker, I usually switch into my fencing mode (I was a fencer in my youthness, sabre). Use the tip to keep the enemy at distance and smash him if he try to close the distance.
Yeah, he totally should have cracked his spouse against her exposed skull during thier defense demonstration. How else will we tell the effectiveness of the guard?
Proof is maked... that the defender always looses... of course because to win you must attack... Attack with the baton on the knife holder and he looses...
Could you test boleadoras? It has a similar use to rope and javelin, in the case of the set of three with strings attached (South American Creole fencing) or double meteor hammer, in the case of the individual ball, used in each hand (Argentine dance with boleadoras).
Well, no weapon would work unless you put it to use!! Even a shield which is meant to block is also used to push back or hit when opportunity presents itself!!
The problem with trying to defend yourself with a baton is that if the person is jebbing at you especially with a large knife 🗡️ they will cut or stab you while you are trist to fend off the attack and a expandable baton will always clasped in it self when hit hard, better off with a solid baton for better striking with a one or two hand hold for lower body impact strikes..
Been looking for a way to buy this in USA recently. They originally advertised here but now I can't find it anywhere. Any chance you've got an affiliate or a link I can follow to buy one?
Is there a reason for why you don't link or mention where the items you review can be purchased from? I can understand there being some restrictions on something like a sword but surely a baton wouldn't be a problem with the vast majority of countries? Great video, I am very happy to have subscribed to your channel.
I don't know the context of what they're testing. But to get a better review of the baton, they better ask opinion from a HEMA practitioner and the practitioners of FMA, Krabi krabong or Pencak Silat.
Where I live batons are illegal so are clubs, swords, katanas, bats, blackjacks, brass knockels, broom handles, pointed sticks, ice picks, pocket knifes and bricks just to name a few. That's why we carry guns they are literally the only legal weapons we can carry.
The only problem i see is he is using it like a sword and parrying the attack which shows and opens up his defending hand, id like to see if he tried keeping the tip pointed at her and using the guard that way, thanks for the vid!
Just found your channel i will be watching taking in youre knowledge She got the snake bite down she got you're hands a few times hope you two have a productive New Year
I ordered this one, but it´s problematic. Same as in the video, it folds during use. There should be a mechanism which arrests it extended, but this mechanism is very faulty. It also sometimes arrests when extented and then you can´t fold it anymore. Unfortunately, the place I ordered it from sent no information how to contact then, not even an adress, so I kind of feel ripped of. Moreso, the add I saw showed a longer version which could have also worked as a cane for wandering. Which it is not.
Attacking without fear of a counter allowed her to make attacks she couldn't otherwise make without sacrificing her own defense. I understand the point was to show how the guard allowed for several more blocks/deflections than the unguarded baton. It's improbable that someone with a knife would see the person with a baton and continue the fight. The double baton and kendo swords... well in Japan it'd make sense but not in Texas. 🥷🦯🔫🤠
If he forgot their anniversary then this was therapeutic for her. Every house should have one of these kits (rubber knives, armor and baton) toilet off some steam.
I think having this Baton defend against a knife is a big ask, as you can just be more agile with a knife. A weapon like a baton that is going to be less agile in the hand, but afford more reach than most weapons an assailant will use against you, demands that you use it pro-actively to beat an attacker back or batter their weapon aside, rather than fending attacks off, which does make the guard somewhat pointless. I think a more standard and less complicated design like you find in a Sai or Jitte would be more ideal if you really felt like you needed this feature in the design. Something that isn't going to add a lot of bulk and weight to the baton to make it more unwieldy, but with a rising parallel guard to the weapon for weapon captures and limb manipulation. Similarly with defending against the Kendo, it's again probably much lighter in the hand, with the added advantage of having two leverage points to give even more control to get around the defense of a baton in a flash. I don't know how you could have defended against her with that at all. I do like the idea of carrying a baton for defense, but in the telescoping design of how they deploy and retract, they are a little inconvenient and unreliable. I've never seen one that I felt too happy about.
A few notes on the way the testing was done. First, guards are to meant to reduce the likelihood of injury from an attack sliding down the "blade" (baton in this case). You do not parry with the guards...that would be stupid. That leads into that with the advantage in reach, the baton should be utilizing the range to attack. Second, the lady using the knife is targeting the hand. In a fight, you would target the body. If you can get the hand, that is a bonus not a tactical plan. If I can slash deep with the blade in your gut or sever the arteries in your legs; I am going to do that. Doubly so when your defensive tool doesn't posse a significant risk to me in a grappling situation (no edge or point).
But the Baton guy is only defeniding, while the Knife Girl, is only Ataciyng,, if the girl was ave a armour then the bton guy will be defence and Atack.
One thing that would be really cool is to go through the song in its entirety one more time after breaking down all the parts to see how it all fits together.
one simple question please... in real fight since when longer weapons or even people will go defense mode, girls are great but in real fight we use fist, kick, head even bite our opponents... well that's just my opinion lol
Given a near infinitesimal chance that you can defend yourself via baton (both situation and focused enough that if the situation occurs, one can utilize it), the guard does seem to greatly increase the protection. I'm not sure that trying self defense won't get someone in more danger, but hey, guard vs. No guard, go with guard at a similar price.
Why would you not be able to defend yourself with a baton? This guard is unnecessary and will only catch on something, slowing deployment plus the extra wasted split second to deploy the second "quillon." Moreover it is too big - harder to carry and conceal. I also ALWAYS have something for my other hand - pepper spray or something stabby-stabby ... depending on my mood ...
of course it is hard to block a small knife with a large bulky object. harder to swing and counter for one, the knife wielder can move faster and stop and change directions much easier and faster. hence why they train you to go after the arm rather then try to stop the knife or deflect it as 99.99% of the time you get cut if you do, where as dodge the knife attack and going after arm lowers risk of being cut. may still get cut but you then have a high chance of disarming them and ending the fight before more cuts/stabs that put you down take place. best bet is to keep your distance against a knife if you don't have a firearm or ranged taster/prepper spray. using a baton best to also go for the arm to get them to drop the knife. a good hit to the arm anywhere really will cause almost anyone to drop the knife and attempt to shield the wounded arm. unless you go around wearing gauntlets and gloves that cannot be cut/stabbed through try to avoid knifes, go for arm if you cannot avoid.
The baton isn't meant to be used as a sword. You're not meant to block knife attack that way. What does this teach? To just make assumptions without even trying to learn what the baton was designed to do. Why not even attempt to learn proper usage as they do with swords?
Always on defense, cut you will always be. Musashi and Miyagi. Parry and smash her collar bone, and you win. Attack her hand and head and you win faster.
She's seriously trying to chop him into pieces hahaha, he probably forgot their anniversary KEKW
So aggro lol
He didnt gave her one good time the day before, maybe 😊
@@trext888 😅😅😅😅
She seems kinda scary with a knife 😂😂😂
Because he’s stupid. Only defending with the baton and not utilising the range of the weapon.
I own one of those so this videos was extremely informative
It was a gift from a friend and I think it’s one of the best batons out for the quality
It takes a bit getting used to it and hitting hard and accurate takes practice
I also agree… 4 out of 5
If you're sure it's the same one, could you or your friend provide us with a manufacturer and model number of some kind?
All will be ok, if you don't cross that girl in a fight! 😆
I think it is too big so hard to carry and conceal. It is too heavy and that is why it is hard to maneuver. Mine is only 21" and that is plenty. The cross guard I would consider a liability because it could catch on something and slow deployment. Also unnecessary.
Seems most people forget we have two hands so I have a pepper spray or a stabby-pointy thing to the other hand as part of my EDC.
A shot of Dog and Coyote Repellent changes things up pretty tidily.
Let me know if you can send me a link. Im interested in getting one. Too many false sites.
Do you remember where he got it from by chance? The only place I've seen to have found it is from wish
so when fighting baton vs knife, the one using the baton should be trying to defend by attacking the arm holding the knife, not by praying the knife blade since the knife is to short. it's also a good idea to use superior range to strike at the head and ribs with the baton. if you want to really do this test properly you need to get the person with the knife in protective gear and test those things.
Excellent point.
Pretty sure they are testing the usefulness of the guard in specific. Obviously the baton outranges the knife and would win if used aggressively.
@@theguileraven7014 yes, but testing the usefulness of a weapon only really works if you actually use said weapon correctly
@@yamiyomizuki But they aren’t testing the usefulness of the weapon, they are testing the usefulness of the guard. If you’re just abusing the length advantage of the baton, then the guard becomes irrelevant.
Instead of ribs I would target the shins,forearms, the spine,the knees,then the neck for a knockout strike. I feel the ribs would be a trapped position if the opponent grabs your arm.
Probably the cutest knife attacker on you tube. Great review
Tactical baton are seriously underestimated. When used by moderately strong person, they can easily break joints and cause concussions and potentially death.
They're more lethal than wooden clubs/tonfas.
They sure are strong
I have to share this link here. Donnie Yen clear demonstration with a baton. ua-cam.com/video/_H-3NKj8yO8/v-deo.html
They are also easy to conceal
To take a 10inch weapon and turn it into 3 feet in a second is very tactical
I believe this is a highly under rated means of protection
@@mininhawaiian2911 also shock value .....if you unsheat like professional and good stance ITS look itimidating to some .......
I agree. The other thing to remember is that most of us have two hands so a pepper spray or a stabby-pointy thing to the other hand is the way I "dance."
I love the edits you do with the animated blood, people play pretend too much and don´t realize that Knives are an absolute nightmare. just look how insanely she would have cut him if she was an attacker going all out, even while the baton is longer and has a ton of reach not being a cutting weapon puts you at a disadvantage vs a knife, Run first, if attacker is already trapped you then pull out this thing. GREAT CONTENT.
Often more deadly than firearms in close combat. Unlike gunshot wounds, knife wounds are deadly even on the extremities. For fun: don a long sleeved white T-shirt, give your opponent a practice knife with the edges coated in lipstick, then have at it. And see how well you can prevent being stabbed / cut.
but that baton is used for attacking, not defending. The knife is deadly dangerous of course, but that baton is not build to be used like that.
He was not attacking her. he was only doing defense to see if the guard was going to help with defense. Alos the fact that the baton spontaneously collapsed is a major point reduction. Nobody needs a flaccid baton.
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Lipstick on your knife? Is that some kind of gay code talk? Lol
@@lloydlego6088 I don't know... If some woman was trying to cut me up I think my baton might go flaccid too.
She's very aggressive. Aggression is key to victory!
Until you get over aggressive
Offense is the best defense! If the baton attacks as aggressively the baton wins against the knife because of range.
@@frankbauerful Exactly. I'm not sure what they are trying to showcase when the baton is deflecting the knife attacks. Just attack the hand with the baton and it's over.
@@VincentTamer because they have a different video for the baton. This one is just strictly to check the “usefulness” of the guard.
@@frankbauerful instant damage as well
Probably 90% of the value would be from looking intimidating and causing the assailant to decide it wasn't worth messing with you. For that purpose, I think a flashlight with surprise taser arc setting is even better. Plus, it's just so reasonable to already be carrying the flashlight at night. Having a reason to have it out already is a big plus. That's also why the sturdy umbrella is a good option.
If you want them to get close enough so you can use a non-projecting tazer you are already dead. If it is a projecting tazer, what if you miss or they have a thick leather jacket on. If you are willing to trade a steel rod for an umbrella, you clearly don't know what you are talking about. When I am out at night, I have a 1500 Lumen headlamp on tight focus with a baton deployable to one hand and a pepper spray or stabby-pointy thing to the other ... depending on my mood.
Baton is better. The baton user in this one uses it to test the effectiveness of the guard and try to use like a sword. They should let an FMA practitioner show them the better use of baton
I carry 3 pistols
I prefer quick smoke bombs, with ninja stars and a katana! 😂
Or instead of being the victim be the assaulter with a bottton and plead self defence
I'm not a big fan of the collapsing batons. I'd rather have a weapon that I can use to thrust, and batons are made to collapse when they strike something hard in a thrusting motion. However, the idea of a guard on a baton is interesting. Maybe they could add something that would lock the baton open when the guard is turned into place. That would be a very nice weapon.
Locking batons have been a thing for years now if you don't know
Well, the issue is, weapon that good for thrust motion mostly is not versatile to hide and carry around. But there's already baton with feature with automatic system in locking mode that exist more than decade ago. So when it's lengthed even showly it just locked automatically and permanently, and you just need to press the button on the bottom of the baton if you want to shorten it again. Usually these type of baton can be quite expensive. Also these type of baton is also already common to use by the Cops in many countries.
But still, this type of baton with automatic lock feature, still can end up fail to handle something over-pressure thrust, so if you try to thrust object or person too hard than the lock can handle, sometimes the baton lock feature will unlocked it self because the lock can't handle pressure when it's too great. but that still much better than your typical classic manual baton that rely on friction to get locked. Also basically still the best thing you can get now as versatile combat stick.
@@stuffguru None of the batons that I've seen advertised have had a locking mechanism. All of them would close with a sharp axial tap on the end of the baton. I know that the "lock" in place when they are extended, but they unlock and collapse when struck hard on the end.
@@Ilyas-ty6cy Thanks, I have never seen this type of baton advertised. All of the ones I've seen have been without the button on the bottom that would hold the baton locked until released. I would consider the button to be a big improvement, but I understand how designing that system would add to the cost. Knowing that the lock system might still fail would discourage me from buying one.
@@VTPSTTU Well, I mean, these equipment are mean to use by officer or special unit police. Of course you will never hear or see advertisement about it. But base on my experience since I also own that type of baton, the lock actually still strong enough to be used for thrust in level to actually hurt person, even yes just to make sure just not overly hard especially to hard object, even with casual strength it's actually enough to hurt person especially when hit on the chest. Also just said you did it overly hard and the baton lock collapse, then no issue, you can just lengthed again, it's locked and it's ready for another thrust.
Usually a known brand that sell this baton are, ASP Monadnock, Bonowi, and NEX. But for myself I basically have some connection to buy a subsidied version that used as standard equipment for a Cops in my country. So I can get it with cheaper price with no needed to pay for imported delivery cost and extra tax.
I unironically saw a guy from london incorporate chainmail under his sleeves to protect himself from knife crime
This is fascinating your texts. Where did you find the quote from?
@@michaelzajac5284why doth one speak liketh a medieval peasant?
Could have been a Hastings reenactor. They sometimes wear chainmail under their work clothes to get used to the weight when the event comes closer.
@@LotlBotl no I mean he specifically had bracers of chainmail installed in the forearms of his jacket
In concept, I like it, but I think a redesign is warranted. Rotating the guard open should act like a 'forward assist' and push the baton into the fully extended and fully locked position, and you should not be able to collapse the baton without folding the guard.
Agreed.
This. I also assumed it would lock the baton. As the weakness of baton is that it might collapses when you use it to lunge or riposte to keep your opponent at bay; which is also why one would need a guard.
I was thinking the same when watching the video. Why not make a mechanism that locks the batton in the open position when rotating the guard. In fact this is exactly what I thought when I first watched the video and then disappointed when I found out it wasnt as such.
I have been looking at videos of these, and I also thought the baton locked when the guard was opened until I saw this video. It's really begging for that to be the design. Why in the world is that NOT the design? Not having the baton lock creates danger for the wielder through unpredictability, shifting weight, and inaccuracy! It boggles my mind that it isn't actually designed the way it's clearly meant to be designed.
Yeah
HEMA guy here, and I musty say, you have lovely techniques, I learned something new. And for baton vs knife situation, I guess, you were just guarding yourself, but one hit to hed, with longer baton is game over. Hit, thrust, longer reach...baton is superior to knife. Knife wins only as a surprise, easily to hide weapon, or while held by someone who can be way better than someone using the baton. I was surprised you let yourself attack like that. Plus, footwork, you stood there and let yourself to be hit. But I guess, it was all for a semi-eductaional purposes, and part of it was to entertain. Nicely done video, and I hope you would do more thorough research next time.
I've seen those from Chinese online sellers. They make a 21 and 26 or 28in one iirc? Just a novelty but with these things they're best for hitting kneecaps. Or breaking glass in an emergency or something.
As a UA-cam product tester myself, this was exactly the video I was looking for to see if I want to buy and test one myself.
It’s not a sword! Why are you using it like one?? It’s more like a very precise bat. *Beat your foe into submission!💪🏾😤*
Edit: Do this test again with full, proper protection and really go at it!
That's what I was thinking as well, it was stupid to use it defensively in the way they were doing it.
The baton is to create distance, especially against knives. There demonstration with the knife, even though he said defending, was baffling to me.
I really fail to see how you can implicate you are evaluating the self defense capability of a weapon when your evaluation style is so severely biased by what I have no doubt is your very well exercised practice of kenjutsu. The way the knife is being wielded would make any army instructor from any nation cringe to see the base grip flailing slice style. And to see a baton used to defend against that flailing with range mauling side parries is completely unbelievable. I understand that you were attempting to demonstrate the weapon only in a defensive role but sadly I believe you have enfolded how those weapons are more commonly used into the confines of the body motions more reflective of your sport and woefully negligent of actual self defense maneuvers. I believe a little research and practice of knife use as well as baton use in self defense scenarios would make for a far more realistic demonstration and evaluation of the efficacy of the weapon(s).
If you are only blocking trying to catch the blade of the knife with the baton of course you will get hit, I get this was a sparring test but the techniques and focus were wrong. This is a blunt weapon is meant to break bones, do not try to block something so small as a knife, strike it instead, aiming at the hand or arm that holds it, and keep your distance you have a longer reach.
Is easy to win if the opponent never attack, and they use a weapon that can smash an human head only for parry. In this situation, you can win with a feather.
well put
he's not on the offensive at all so obviously she can hit him
the guard seems kinda useful otherwise
The best defense is a good offense. Ergo, he's not defending well.
Attacking wasn't the point. The point was does the guard help defend you. Pay attention.
Baton works as an extension of your arm, it is an excellent self-defense weapon, your goal is to hit any other body as fast and as hard as you can to stop the other party from attacking you. Of course, you need to have the muscle and some experience to use it.
Not a bad thing to place on a baton, especially when you have a machete wielding attacker. I've served as a Law Enforcement Instructor for Firearms, OC, Hand to Hand and Tactical Baton. Unfortunately, all you were able to do against a knife user in a training scenario is block....as you had no training baton w/a handguard. I've found a baton to be one of the most effective LE weapons for combat scenarios within arms reach. When I used two I employ them as I would two short swords or w/one folded along my support-side forearm while the strong-side is poised to strike....two expandable PR-24's would be ideal but w/ Tactical Batons the support-side holds one in "reverse grip".
I'd be interested in any more ?
I'm a keen Swordsman but trying to research and retain as much information about , walking stick, staffs, alternative fighting techniques.
Military police videos are a excellent source of ideas."come along".
1:57 Sure you will get cut because you are in defence, do something, don't just stand there... The sooner you will run away.. OR attack the agressor the less you will get hurt.
Love the way you laugh when he attempted to strike you with musashi style
Any guard is going to offer some protection for the hand, but these situations are why many more modern militaries (and even civilians) started adopting complex hilts, like basket hilts. This even included the shin gunto carried by 18th century Japanese soldiers.
Sometimes you guys are funny but it's always interesting material that you cover.
Test with knife... BATON have longer reach, why don't use it? Crossguard and no "murder-stroke"? I'm so disappointed!
That Uther the Lightbringer reference was nice. 👌
At least it is better than bare hands. Was the sword near the end from Royal Armouries in Leeds?
Problem is ur trying to use it as a sword in the wrong range…is a tool that should be used to destroy ur opponents hand thereby nullifying the attack…defanging the snake as said in kali/escrimia, then striking hamstring and thighs to put opponent down, as the woman was doing with the knife…destroy the hand
I think she may not be fighting in many of the videos of the channel, but she is really skillful.
I had an idea for an easy carry Buckler shield, just extend the handle outward a little more than make a belt holster where you could just slide the handle inside with maybe a strap holding it in. I think it's good idea.
get a job
@@myonionsmatter7843 I've worked since I was 15 asshole.
Not a true test, she knows he won't attack.
The baton is most effective when you equip a group with them to beat up a man that's lying on the ground, half unconscious.
Can the group wear uniforms and tazer the man at the same time?
If so, I'm in!
Jajajaja
against a knife attacker, I usually switch into my fencing mode (I was a fencer in my youthness, sabre).
Use the tip to keep the enemy at distance and smash him if he try to close the distance.
exaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaactly
She NEVER breaks eye contact. ugh the cuteness.
1:02 I remember when I saw Jurassic Wars. Tears of nostalgia. The laser rex was terrifying.
where's the link to buy?
Well... A baton isn't a shield is it? You're better off just swinging at the knife attacker if they get close. Make the baton their problem.
You two are great!
Hola, saludos como puedo comprar este Bastón Táctico, para Chile
That looks like it'd be a fun thing to use. You can get real nerdy, really quick.
A good defensive technique when using that baton against a knife is utilize the baton's longer length and hit the knife wielder.
Yeah, he totally should have cracked his spouse against her exposed skull during thier defense demonstration. How else will we tell the effectiveness of the guard?
@@GiggaGMikeE protective gear...
Proof is maked... that the defender always looses... of course because to win you must attack...
Attack with the baton on the knife holder and he looses...
Can you publish a link to buy those fantastic batons?
Kombativ u yube channel carries them in thier store
“Those who only defend, miss the opportunity to attack.” 🥋
where do you get these 'lockable' batons in the video to buy?
I saw another video in which a navy seal said if he encounters a crazy guy with a knife, he'd run. This video perfectly demonstrates why 🤣
"WHO IS KATE AND WHY IS SHE MESSAGING YOU?!"
"calm down! she's my sister!"
Weapon: Baton
Type: Club
User: proceed to use it to block everything as if it is an artillery shield
Could you test boleadoras? It has a similar use to rope and javelin, in the case of the set of three with strings attached (South American Creole fencing) or double meteor hammer, in the case of the individual ball, used in each hand (Argentine dance with boleadoras).
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Hi everyone.
Is this a Japanese channel & are the hosts Japanese?
Thanks
Pretty sure they’re Korean
Where can this baton be purchased??? Can you please post the website in english?
I know it's not in the original form, however a Kevlar glove and arm guards will help block the strikes from the knife and take it from her.
Well, no weapon would work unless you put it to use!! Even a shield which is meant to block is also used to push back or hit when opportunity presents itself!!
Boa noite
Tenho interesse em adquirir esse produto. Como fazer pra comprar?
I love the Uther shoutout.
The problem with trying to defend yourself with a baton is that if the person is jebbing at you especially with a large knife 🗡️ they will cut or stab you while you are trist to fend off the attack and a expandable baton will always clasped in it self when hit hard, better off with a solid baton for better striking with a one or two hand hold for lower body impact strikes..
Been looking for a way to buy this in USA recently. They originally advertised here but now I can't find it anywhere. Any chance you've got an affiliate or a link I can follow to buy one?
Is there a reason for why you don't link or mention where the items you review can be purchased from? I can understand there being some restrictions on something like a sword but surely a baton wouldn't be a problem with the vast majority of countries?
Great video, I am very happy to have subscribed to your channel.
Ali express used to stock them
The Baton makes such a pretty sound when you open it.
I don't know the context of what they're testing. But to get a better review of the baton, they better ask opinion from a HEMA practitioner and the practitioners of FMA, Krabi krabong or Pencak Silat.
where did you purchase yours? I ask because theres a ton of fake sites trying to mimic. I'd like an actual link that i can trust. thanks.
Where I live batons are illegal so are clubs, swords, katanas, bats, blackjacks, brass knockels, broom handles, pointed sticks, ice picks, pocket knifes and bricks just to name a few. That's why we carry guns they are literally the only legal weapons we can carry.
The only problem i see is he is using it like a sword and parrying the attack which shows and opens up his defending hand, id like to see if he tried keeping the tip pointed at her and using the guard that way, thanks for the vid!
Please put the product link
Is there a website for the expandable baton with hand guard?
You actually would find some similar jitte in the past, this kind of looks like a modern version to me.
Were can I buy this?
Just found your channel i will be watching taking in youre knowledge She got the snake bite down she got you're hands a few times hope you two have a productive New Year
I ordered this one, but it´s problematic. Same as in the video, it folds during use. There should be a mechanism which arrests it extended, but this mechanism is very faulty. It also sometimes arrests when extented and then you can´t fold it anymore. Unfortunately, the place I ordered it from sent no information how to contact then, not even an adress, so I kind of feel ripped of. Moreso, the add I saw showed a longer version which could have also worked as a cane for wandering. Which it is not.
what website did you find it on?
Attacking without fear of a counter allowed her to make attacks she couldn't otherwise make without sacrificing her own defense. I understand the point was to show how the guard allowed for several more blocks/deflections than the unguarded baton. It's improbable that someone with a knife would see the person with a baton and continue the fight. The double baton and kendo swords... well in Japan it'd make sense but not in Texas. 🥷🦯🔫🤠
Please tell me the name of the manufacturer of this baton.
This girl is seriously dangerous with knives and swords... but even more dangerous is her incredible beauty!! 😍
The longer the stronger. The shorter the more dangerous. 一寸長一寸強 一寸短一寸險。
If he forgot their anniversary then this was therapeutic for her.
Every house should have one of these kits (rubber knives, armor and baton) toilet off some steam.
I think having this Baton defend against a knife is a big ask, as you can just be more agile with a knife. A weapon like a baton that is going to be less agile in the hand, but afford more reach than most weapons an assailant will use against you, demands that you use it pro-actively to beat an attacker back or batter their weapon aside, rather than fending attacks off, which does make the guard somewhat pointless. I think a more standard and less complicated design like you find in a Sai or Jitte would be more ideal if you really felt like you needed this feature in the design. Something that isn't going to add a lot of bulk and weight to the baton to make it more unwieldy, but with a rising parallel guard to the weapon for weapon captures and limb manipulation.
Similarly with defending against the Kendo, it's again probably much lighter in the hand, with the added advantage of having two leverage points to give even more control to get around the defense of a baton in a flash. I don't know how you could have defended against her with that at all.
I do like the idea of carrying a baton for defense, but in the telescoping design of how they deploy and retract, they are a little inconvenient and unreliable. I've never seen one that I felt too happy about.
What is the name of the baton and where did you bought it?
Do they have this same exact style baton in the states?
Brand? Where to buy?
どこで買えますか⁉️
教えてくださいお願いいたします。
Favor dar una dirección para poder comprar, saludos desde Chile a un pais que admiro mucho.
A few notes on the way the testing was done. First, guards are to meant to reduce the likelihood of injury from an attack sliding down the "blade" (baton in this case). You do not parry with the guards...that would be stupid. That leads into that with the advantage in reach, the baton should be utilizing the range to attack. Second, the lady using the knife is targeting the hand. In a fight, you would target the body. If you can get the hand, that is a bonus not a tactical plan. If I can slash deep with the blade in your gut or sever the arteries in your legs; I am going to do that. Doubly so when your defensive tool doesn't posse a significant risk to me in a grappling situation (no edge or point).
But the Baton guy is only defeniding, while the Knife Girl, is only Ataciyng,, if the girl was ave a armour then the bton guy will be defence and Atack.
One thing that would be really cool is to go through the song in its entirety one more time after breaking down all the parts to see how it all fits together.
Hey I have a question for you guys do you know where I can found one of those Tactical BATON please
Thanks for sharing.
one simple question please... in real fight since when longer weapons or even people will go defense mode, girls are great but in real fight we use fist, kick, head even bite our opponents... well that's just my opinion lol
Given a near infinitesimal chance that you can defend yourself via baton (both situation and focused enough that if the situation occurs, one can utilize it), the guard does seem to greatly increase the protection.
I'm not sure that trying self defense won't get someone in more danger, but hey, guard vs. No guard, go with guard at a similar price.
Why would you not be able to defend yourself with a baton? This guard is unnecessary and will only catch on something, slowing deployment plus the extra wasted split second to deploy the second "quillon." Moreover it is too big - harder to carry and conceal. I also ALWAYS have something for my other hand - pepper spray or something stabby-stabby ... depending on my mood ...
@@kaoskronostyche9939I take it a bad mood means the stabby stabby? 😂
Not sure how "self defense would get someone in more danger".
You're already in danger.
That's why you're resorting to self defense.
@@wanderingcalamity360 The most peerless form of self defense is running away. Probably what he's referring to.
if i use that stick. i rather use it inverted. that handguard are very effective for crushing a skull or a bone
We’re do you go to buy one of these ?
of course it is hard to block a small knife with a large bulky object. harder to swing and counter for one, the knife wielder can move faster and stop and change directions much easier and faster. hence why they train you to go after the arm rather then try to stop the knife or deflect it as 99.99% of the time you get cut if you do, where as dodge the knife attack and going after arm lowers risk of being cut. may still get cut but you then have a high chance of disarming them and ending the fight before more cuts/stabs that put you down take place. best bet is to keep your distance against a knife if you don't have a firearm or ranged taster/prepper spray.
using a baton best to also go for the arm to get them to drop the knife. a good hit to the arm anywhere really will cause almost anyone to drop the knife and attempt to shield the wounded arm. unless you go around wearing gauntlets and gloves that cannot be cut/stabbed through try to avoid knifes, go for arm if you cannot avoid.
The baton isn't meant to be used as a sword. You're not meant to block knife attack that way. What does this teach? To just make assumptions without even trying to learn what the baton was designed to do. Why not even attempt to learn proper usage as they do with swords?
The WoW nerd reference, hahah, nice humor on this channel about weapons lol.
Cane or walking stick. Legal and can take anywhere with same offensive/defensive properties.
A police can clearly tell it's an expandable baton and not a walking stick because walking sticks are either wood or aluminum.
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If you have a baton against a knife wielder simply attack the hand.
Where would I find one of these?
Where can you buy one?
Always on defense, cut you will always be. Musashi and Miyagi. Parry and smash her collar bone, and you win. Attack her hand and head and you win faster.
Yes. Parry and then break your wife's collarbone. That's how you win.
Do you have supplier in Philippines? Thanks
Hola saludos, como pido uno para Chile?