It amazes me that there is always some hindrances to our trying to protect ourselves. Those who are making all the rules always have the means to protect themselves but they regulate us all the time.
I have seen a scuffle break out at a rugby game. There was one guy vs 3 and it got pretty intense. The interesting thing I gathered was how the one guy went from boxing the three (attackers) to then grabbing a large industrial bolt that he somehow picked up when creating a gap and used it as a baton. It was like scuffle scuffle scuffle (screaming all over from spectators), from the scuffle there is a break away, a gap created. During the break away which is like seconds he sees the bolt and picks it up. He now creates a barrier and the scuffle changes tempo. The cops and security at the game come in to intercept the situation. Basically he survives the situation.
I would also recommend them as an option for people that were barricaded in an active shooter event. If the killer got through the door and was immediately ambushed by a few people with batons, I don't think they'd be taking many aimed shots. Great review! Thanks for bringing those to my attention. I didn't know CS was making batons.
I have two Batons the same as yours. I have a 21 and a 26 inch model. I have only carried them a few times. And have never needed to use one against anyone. Years ago when I was young, I had special pockets sewn in my Levis cordroy dark blue western jackets. In the pocket I carried a set of Nunchaku. I trained for hours a day with those being involved in Martial Arts since childhood. Only one time did I ever use my Nunchaku. In the parking lot of a club, when I was leaving. This guy was looking for a fight and came at me with a broken beer bottle. I pulled out my Nunchaku, I swung it at him hitting him in the side of the head. He dropped like a stone to the ground. I made sure he was okay and I left. But my Nunchaku stopped that attack immediately. An impact weapon like a Baton or Nunchaku in my opinion, is a versatile defense tool. And it is far safer and offers more controlable outcomes than a taser or a knife. And I carry knives everyday. I call my Batons, "The Expandables."
Word of advice for most people: do NOT use nunchucks as self-defense tools. Not only do they lose a substantial amount of force due to less leverage and ability to follow through a strike, they are also dangerous to the wielder. For most people, a stick of comparable size to nunchucks will be more effective.
@@kalamari3288 I would never recommend anyone use Nunchaku as a self defense tool. Because to use them effectively and in such a manner that you don't hurt yourself takes years of training. In addition, similar to using a Baton you need to learn how to control your strikes. So that you don't impact an area that can do serious damage or even cause death. In my trials over the years Nunchaku don't lose any impact force. Leverage is not a factor in their use. What is a factor is Centrifugal Force and couple that with the speed that can be generated, they can impact heavier than a Baton. Using a stck is a safer way to go. But it doesn't look as cool.
@@Skatelifefool Absolute fact. I wasn't long out of the Military when that happened. But since being a kid, Martial Arts dominated my life. I trained seven days a week in different disciplines. And backed it all up with Zazen Meditation that I learned as a child. A lot of things happened over the many years. So I have a lot of stories of past events. It has been a long hard life. And it's not getting any easier. I recently lost my Wonderful Wife of 52 years to an unexpected Cardiac Arrest. Losing the Girl I Love so very much has destroyed me. But I'm surviving even though I miss her every second that passes. My Heart doesn't beat the same without her around. Be careful out there and be ready. As they say, "life comes at you fast." All The Best.
My main less-lethal is a baton. I have taught weapon use for 20 years and I can verify that a baton is a real problem for the other guy. A few notes if you don't mind me adding - yeah, they can break bones... but realistically just ones close to the surface. If you are looking to break something aim for the joints. Conversely, if you are looking to sit someone down without permanent damage go after their meatier parts. - Batons are less lethal, not non-lethal. A baton to the head can end a person real quick if you are not careful.
had one in the military as a non lethal option, along with pepper spray and a taser, and of course a gun if it came to that. A baton in the hands of a person who knows how to use it can be effective against multiple attackers. You could kill someone with a full power blow to the head, which is why we were trained not to go for the head, but fleshy areas such as the inner/outer thighs and upper arms. It will definitely break bones.
Great video! Not just on the baton but also on the philosophy of self defense and preservation. Spot on... I like the baton too! It's in the driver's side door pocket, sometimes in my backpack too. I'd rather have it, and not need it but, have it in case I do...
Steel Batons have kept me Safe in 4 Different Countries and I still carry the Original ASP. Didn't know that CS Got into Batons, but I Bet that they are well made. My Best Advice for anyone that is gonna use this type of weapon is that it sometimes turns into a Serious Workout even when you think you have a good plan. All in all, you have Better Reach than a Blade. Excellent Weapon for Offence or Defence.
Great tool and excellent advice!! I've owned multiple sizes of collapsible batons. In fact I was ticketed by Interpol for transporting a 6 in baton from Paris to London. The officer explained that they consider it an offensive instead of defensive weapon. Stupid, I know. I explain I explain that if I had bought a souvenir Eiffel Tower that it would make a longer larger and heavier weapon with sharp sharp corners, but they just don't see the logic.
@Christopher33312 yes but that's because the police in england uk don't carry a firearm but a baton. as an offensive weapon. the logic is hard to find. country and state. i live in arizona. and can carry a firearm open. Even an AR15, a shotgun is also open in my car, no problem. but a butterfly knife is strictly forbidden. because it is seen as a deadly weapon
Daniel a gentleman that lives on my road about a half a block Away from me hit a druged up ol boy with one of these telescopic batons. And it knocked his eye out but our local authorities put my neighbor in jail but 4 months later the state of Georgia dropped all charges. So I do fully agree with you they can and will do serious harm. God bless and have a great day.
As an older person, who uses a cane when walking. I don't need said baton, although it is neat looking. And yes I've learned how to use my cane in a scuffle.
@@redfaux74 Cold Steel also makes an identical appearing cane without the sword, in case you want to get people used to seeing your "harmless" cane which is legal everywhere. Carry whichever suits your location and mood each day.
When I worked in EMS if we were going into a dicey situation I would slide my 6 D cell mag light into its ring. A blast of white light to the face and a whack on the collarbone is how I trained. That's probably not socially acceptable these days, but it's still better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I've had several collapsible batons over the years. I feel if you want to add one to your kit you should get the best ones made. I think after looking into the different brands that Monadnocks are the best buy.
There are 2 models from a European company, that make all the batons I know of, to look like toys. These do not break, or bent, no matter how many times or how much force you use, to hit stones bricks or anything. Actually, it smashes all kind of stuff, into small pieces. I can add their page link If you want. They also look as good ass they perform.
Used my ASAP while on duty a few times, still got mine and the shoulder rig for it for when wearing under a suit coat. but the cheap little Spring Billy OMG did we love them on protection details in D.C. they would fit in the small nylon mag light pouches and could hide / carry them really well on yr person, i dropped a guy 1 time with 1 hit to the knee and got the client out. Training with then can kick your butt. we did 2 min drills going from strikes to blocks you do that along with all the other training and dam by the end your lucky you can lift your arms. Your right thugs don't really fear the Baton as much as a gun or blade. and if your going to use a baton TRAINING IS A MUST!!! knowing how to deploy it When to deploy it , whats behind / next to you when deploying it. how to carry it. i had 1 guy i hit a few times but he was so focused on beating the other guy the baton had no affect on him
A knife has way more uses than a baton, but if i had to fight someone who had a knife, and i could only use a knife or a baton, id actually pick the baton.
Sign up for a seminar train a master that teaches Kali or Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) as it emphasizes the use of sticks,knives and various improvised weapons.I guarantee you when you master this,you will be swift,deadly and agile,even against multiple attackers.Stay safe,mate.
I don't have that tool. I do see it's place in a self defense situation. But I do own a Cold Steel Pocket Shark. Those can be nasty if you know how and where to use them on a human body. With them, it is a stab and jab type thing, where the distance is close and you want the assailant to get hurt. You touched on the legal side of the batons quite well. Very nice!
I have a junior size aluminum baseball bat for home defense. The telescopic baton looks very viable for self carry defense along with OC spray and a pocket knife.
There is a reason that a certian motorcycle group carries ballpeen hammers. They are legal most places. Hit very very hard and are not considered a weapon.
I... you... you know our government forces typically carry ASP batons for less lethal force, right? ASP's weapons are legendary, and you can't just buy them as a civilian. Stick to guns if you want them to fear you.
I don't own the Cold Steel version,this video is the first I seen of theirs, but I do own a two from another company each ine different lengths. They are very good and the information you point out in the video is dead on point. ⚔️💯
I love your vids!! and I love Cold Steel! Been buying their products for years. PB and True Flight Throwers, SRK, Trench Hawk, any many more. AWESOME PRODUCTS! ALWAYS been happy! UNTIL.....I bought this baton. I didn't even test it on anything, just played with it, opening/closing. Didn't even open it that hard as they are a pain to close. The thinnest segment just popped right out. I couldn't believe it! I have a no name cheap flea market baton that I bought over 20 years ago for $25. I've opened/closed it 1000s of times, play with it all the time. Never had an issue. So when the end of of two week old Cold Steel baton just popped out like that I was shocked! The thinnest segment is too short, it needs to extend into the center segment by another half inch. And the steel is WAY TOO soft for a baton. I tried fixing it with a hammer and couldn't believe how soft and weak the steel was. I guess this is just what happens when a product is made in China. I can only imagine if I had to use this in an emergency situation and it just fell apart like that. TRUST ME! spend %50-%75 percent more! and get something better! Sorry Cold Steel! But this is an EPIC FAIL!!
I actually carried a similar model through college working the night shift. Kinda bulky even in a large coat but the grip was great. Only downside was having to awkwardly slam it into the pavement to close it.
I have several collapsible batons in various sizes. I keep the 21 inch in my vehicle. In my state I can carry anything. I have EDCed the Cold Steel Vaquero Grande 6 inch serrated folder in my right pocket for about 29 years. I bought the Rajah ll in March 2020 and EDC that in my left now. I also EDC the S&W 9mm SD with about 45 rounds and more in my vehicle. Times are crazy. Lynn Thompson gets us ready for that. I don't think you can beat Cold Steel in any category. I have about 100 of their products. My dream from them is their Nodachi.
I'm with you there. I carry 3 knives + EDC gun + 2 extra mags. One mag with HP. the other +P ammo. BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW. When there's been 3 shooters with body armor in the last 5-10 years...that's worrisome a little bit.
@drakke125Channel - And the biggest, scariest thing about it all is..... .... people don't practice shooting. I practice often. I buy boxes of 50 to 200 weekly, shoot 20 to 30 of them. I used to shoot sporting clays once a week, that's 100 rounds of 12g at moving targets but my resource changed. But my goal is to aim small, not just head but eyes. Chest but a 3 inch circle in between and just above the nipples. And the crotch. If you break the hip bone, they cannot pursue you. The bleeding it would cause would be heavy enough to need medical within 2 minutes. We cannot get stagnant. Crazy is here. But the wick is a little longer than I thought. How long? It has to blow soon.....
As a retired LEO, my preference was the solid 24 inch poly baton, over the expandable. When training in the use of a straight baton, the primary technique was the two handed thrust to the torso, including the solar plexus One handed strikes were the secondary response. Being the solid baton is the same diameter of the whole length, a two handed grip is much more secure, than gripping the narrow telescopic steel tubes of the telescopic. If the solid baton is used for striking, i believe it can produce for kinetic force, than the expandable. Finally, the most common disadvantage of the friction lock expandable baton, is if it collapses when being used. If one portion retracts during usage, then trying to use it effectively is almost impossible, because it must be completely closed and then reopened again.
Carry what you need to carry to protect you and your family and stay alive and be judged by a jury if it comes down to that. Police might only be a minute away but you could be killed in a minute also. I have been hit a lot with batons in training and it hurts for weeks and have used one in real life. Most times the thigh strikes have little or no effect so you have to go to the shin, forearm or shoulder but never the head unless its life or death, then do what you have to do. Great video! Keep them coming!
Carried a knife sharpener that just seemed to be balanced perfectly and tested it with alarming results. That lead me here actually. I cracked an aluminum bat and bent rebar in a single swing. I’m hoping this will do the same
Yes I have one and yes I've used one had an assailant at the liquor store who did not fear the gun nor the knife but he saw the baton and he ran because he knew I would break his bones 👍😎🐝
The fact of these being standard police patrol kit on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean is a indication of their effectiveness. They're illegal to carry on the streets in England unless yr a copper on duty. Self-defence weapons carried here have to be disguised, so I carry a shellacked bamboo "walking stick" for a "knee injury" - if I'm ever ?'d over it by the police. I haven't been, but I've seen a few coppers go by glancing at it with a wry smile suspecting what it is & seeing that I'm not the kind to use as a street criminal, or you might carry a weight of some sort in your pocket that has another (lawful) use, but if necessary can be used quickly to increase fist heft. Foot-work (retreating to an assailant's advance) to keep the target in a striking distance zone is key to using arm's length weapons, and needs - as you say - to be practiced, as does using it in motion, as the muscles in the particular arms it uses are usually underdeveloped for it. A firm grip whilst maintaining a loose wrist also seems to work better, increasing the flexibility of the arm's motion + weight of the strike. Well presented film with good advice, thx
idk.. not for everyone I think. I'm glad you covered the important details. one has to not be afraid to get into the fight in order to use it right. .. in which case why would such a person be afraid enough to carry it.? If you really don't want any trouble you carry spray and stay away. Then if that doesn't work you pull something like this, or more, and get into it. The reason for so much psychology in my comments is that I question my own capacity for violence and think that many who don't probably should. Maybe a video topic for you. I'd like to see that. ;-)
😅 I enjoyed your video, Just got my “cold steel baton” today and was searching UA-cam for trainings on how to use them, that’s how I came across your site. I very recently became involved in Security protection and do have my Security Officer Class “D”license & Class “G” license; and will also be receiving on hand training for it.
“ In general, retractable batons are legal to own and carry. In California, it is illegal to carry an expandable baton. California law makes it illegal to even possess a retractable baton” Got that off Google. Everything is illegal in Cali lol
Nice! Big fan of Cold Steel, have 3 of their bats, a couple knives...think this will be next purchase but might go with smaller version and where I'm at no regulations regarding batons👍
Disadvantage of doubling up on all those items is retention, if they were trying to be wrestled away by several attackers, it could be very difficult to prevent it.
I love walking the woods and camping. Many times I carry a firearm but when hiking the State Parks I don't carry one. I'm going to check the local laws to see if I can legally carry a baton.
Out walking or hiking, batons are useful dealing with all but the largest wild animals and poorly trained dogs. Simply snapping one open is likely to get them to break off their attack.
I've got a couple of batons and luckily they are fun toys to play with and I hope that's all they ever will be cause I don't want to use them to defend myself unless no other choice 😮
These have been around for over 30 years. I carried once when in LE, so why all of the sudden does everyone seem to thing this is a new concept? I dont get it.
Bought one today as a non lethal option. On my way home i met a man running frantically toward me at midnight. I put my baton in my hand and looked at him but did not deploy it. We both turned the same direction and he decided to walk in the middle of the street in traffic so he didnt walk behind me on the sidewalk. Lol. Im a bit numb to this kind of thing. Also i usually have several non lethal options on me so the baton is like the most extreame non leathal item. Its a fun neighborhood. Stay safe freinds.😂
Carry a 21’’ baton with me often while I’m out, have a 26” I keep at home by my bed. Fortunately I live in a state that allows them, hope I never have to use them
I carry one for animals and certain self defense situations , mainly knives or other clubs, sticks . It's going to give me some distance . And I'm not naive to the horrors of knives, I have LOTS of training . But compared to NOT having one I'll take it . I agree the goal is to break bones , people can take INCREDIBLE amounts of damage under adrenaline or drugs so you got to try and make that limb unable to function. I carry mine in my back pocket , have for years . Between it, my knives and CCW it's the fastest thing I can deploy and create space with . It's in my hand the instance I think something might go sideways . What great about that is I haven't "pulled" a knife of pistol in that super rare event of things getting reported to police . Overall I actually consider it my main OFFENSIVE weapon for hand to hand . Everything else I carry is defensive , 100% life threatening situations. But with impact weapons you can control the damage done more so than other weapons. In fact I keep an axe handle in my car for the same reason after all the riots where I live. I prefer them to bats even because the shape concentrates the impact better . You get a compound fracture for sure with an axe handle . But after all that I am very happy to say the only thing I've ever had to use my baton for is clearing storm drains . I hope it stays that way.
You can't carry those in my state thanks to our cowardly lawmakers. So when I go to unsafe places I throw on my super long California framing hammer with sharpened claws for demolition work. If you sharpen them correctly most people can't tell. I'd actually rather have it than a baton. There's a reason warhammers were so popular back in the day.
I bought one as an easy way to carry a big stick while exercise walking in the city, primarily for defense against off leash dogs who were not friendly. Never had to deploy it for that purpose though, which is fine with me. I'd hate for an adversary to have one though.
Thanks from the Netherlands 🇱🇺👍🏻this is a awesome Channel, true Grit. O yeah, dad always carried a collapsible flexible spring baton with a extra weighted head welded on it..a just in case piece. Later on he carried a leather blackjack. Maybe you can do a little review on that old school piece, peace and God Bless❤✌🏻
I had a few of them for working scurity , tho one day when i saw a car go in the river i saned a old lady with my baton , i broke her car window in the water i cound not get the dorr open then i used my lockblade to cut her seatblet and pulled her out of the car befor it went even deeper , i lost it in the water or car but if i did not have that baton she would be dead now , i now have 4 of them in my survival cache and a few other goodys for one day if you know what i meen.
hey! so witch baton do you recommend? the one from police magnum or the one from cold steel!? i hear the police magnum is better, but whats your opinion!
@@411Outdoors thank you I just watch it . The Basher fits in backpacks so you can take it with you whenever you going . I think it’s better than -expandable baton
When Cold Steel was Lynn Thompson, I know they had some good knives. He last I heard still had an interest in it, but no longer owner. I used knives for everything, where I really liked Cold Steel. Kabar is good, but theyre made in N.Y., only thing bad I know. Where theres better knives Ive heard, but general use Cold Steel used to be sweet.
I was thinking about using one of these on a dog. There's this crazed dog in my neighborhood that keeps getting after me when I am out jogging. I feel like something like this could be a decent equalizer. Or should I use mace?
My girlfriend has a client, high profile body guard he apparently had to use a SAP last week to fight off 6 people. He took a beating, he wanted to shoot them but he conscious stopped him from doing so. He will be here tomorrow, so I'm sure I will get more details. Anyway, he survived, despite taking a licking himself.
I will say the 13 inch does interest me a little bit just because I love leather saps so much, but they are highly regulated and that’s about the length of a sap
I've actually had a pretty bad experience with this one, when I received the cold steel 26" baton I flicked and collapsed it a buncha times until the top piece flew off after I opened it...I was being pretty forceful with it so I don't know if it was either user error or the baton was unreliable
It amazes me that there is always some hindrances to our trying to protect ourselves. Those who are making all the rules always have the means to protect themselves but they regulate us all the time.
Exactly!
Totally agree with haroldbutler. Lives of the masses and poor don't seem important enough.
Every bad guy was once a good guy
Simple. If you ever need to defend yourself with a weapon, never call 911, because most of the time you'll be alone...
I have seen a scuffle break out at a rugby game. There was one guy vs 3 and it got pretty intense. The interesting thing I gathered was how the one guy went from boxing the three (attackers) to then grabbing a large industrial bolt that he somehow picked up when creating a gap and used it as a baton. It was like scuffle scuffle scuffle (screaming all over from spectators), from the scuffle there is a break away, a gap created. During the break away which is like seconds he sees the bolt and picks it up. He now creates a barrier and the scuffle changes tempo. The cops and security at the game come in to intercept the situation. Basically he survives the situation.
Thanks for sharing!
Had several ASP batons in the past. Sold them. I Live in NY. So the only thing I'm allowed to be is a victim.
It seems NY has been inspired by our self-defence laws here in the UK.
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Get outta NYC bud!
yeah NY sucks, they still got the SAFE ACT in NYC?
don't get it wrong. NY is encouraging you into an attacker.
A good pop on the hand is probably one of the best ways to disarm somebody with a knife
These are now legal in California as of a San Diego Judges ruling on 2/26/24.
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I would also recommend them as an option for people that were barricaded in an active shooter event. If the killer got through the door and was immediately ambushed by a few people with batons, I don't think they'd be taking many aimed shots.
Great review! Thanks for bringing those to my attention. I didn't know CS was making batons.
Thanks my friend and well said!
A good knife, baton and gun are a must have 😮
I have two Batons the same as yours. I have a 21 and a 26 inch model. I have only carried them a few times. And have never needed to use one against anyone.
Years ago when I was young, I had special pockets sewn in my Levis cordroy dark blue western jackets. In the pocket I carried a set of Nunchaku. I trained for hours a day with those being involved in Martial Arts since childhood. Only one time did I ever use my Nunchaku. In the parking lot of a club, when I was leaving. This guy was looking for a fight and came at me with a broken beer bottle. I pulled out my Nunchaku, I swung it at him hitting him in the side of the head. He dropped like a stone to the ground. I made sure he was okay and I left. But my Nunchaku stopped that attack immediately. An impact weapon like a Baton or Nunchaku in my opinion, is a versatile defense tool. And it is far safer and offers more controlable outcomes than a taser or a knife. And I carry knives everyday. I call my Batons, "The Expandables."
Nice! 🙂👍👍
Word of advice for most people: do NOT use nunchucks as self-defense tools. Not only do they lose a substantial amount of force due to less leverage and ability to follow through a strike, they are also dangerous to the wielder. For most people, a stick of comparable size to nunchucks will be more effective.
@@kalamari3288 I would never recommend anyone use Nunchaku as a self defense tool. Because to use them effectively and in such a manner that you don't hurt yourself takes years of training. In addition, similar to using a Baton you need to learn how to control your strikes. So that you don't impact an area that can do serious damage or even cause death.
In my trials over the years Nunchaku don't lose any impact force. Leverage is not a factor in their use. What is a factor is Centrifugal Force and couple that with the speed that can be generated, they can impact heavier than a Baton. Using a stck is a safer way to go. But it doesn't look as cool.
I'm going to believe that you did in fact use a nunchaka in self defense one time.
@@Skatelifefool Absolute fact. I wasn't long out of the Military when that happened. But since being a kid, Martial Arts dominated my life. I trained seven days a week in different disciplines. And backed it all up with Zazen Meditation that I learned as a child.
A lot of things happened over the many years. So I have a lot of stories of past events. It has been a long hard life. And it's not getting any easier. I recently lost my Wonderful Wife of 52 years to an unexpected Cardiac Arrest. Losing the Girl I Love so very much has destroyed me. But I'm surviving even though I miss her every second that passes. My Heart doesn't beat the same without her around.
Be careful out there and be ready. As they say, "life comes at you fast."
All The Best.
My main less-lethal is a baton. I have taught weapon use for 20 years and I can verify that a baton is a real problem for the other guy. A few notes if you don't mind me adding
- yeah, they can break bones... but realistically just ones close to the surface. If you are looking to break something aim for the joints. Conversely, if you are looking to sit someone down without permanent damage go after their meatier parts.
- Batons are less lethal, not non-lethal. A baton to the head can end a person real quick if you are not careful.
Absolutely 👍
Intro was very cool, use of the sling was fun to watch. Great video sir.
had one in the military as a non lethal option, along with pepper spray and a taser, and of course a gun if it came to that. A baton in the hands of a person who knows how to use it can be effective against multiple attackers. You could kill someone with a full power blow to the head, which is why we were trained not to go for the head, but fleshy areas such as the inner/outer thighs and upper arms. It will definitely break bones.
Great info sir🫡 thank you!
It basically gives you an elite Muay Thai kick that is impossible to block
Great video! Not just on the baton but also on the philosophy of self defense and preservation. Spot on... I like the baton too! It's in the driver's side door pocket, sometimes in my backpack too. I'd rather have it, and not need it but, have it in case I do...
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@@411Outdoorsis that COLD STEEL baton heat-treated ?
If it's not heat-treated it's not in my duty belt.
Steel Batons have kept me Safe in 4 Different Countries and I still carry the Original ASP.
Didn't know that CS
Got into Batons, but I Bet that they are well made. My Best Advice for anyone that is gonna use this type of weapon is that it sometimes turns into a Serious Workout even when you think you have a good plan.
All in all, you have Better Reach than a Blade. Excellent Weapon for Offence
or Defence.
Well said!
This.
What countries have you been to where ASP are legal to conceal?
Great tool and excellent advice!! I've owned multiple sizes of collapsible batons. In fact I was ticketed by Interpol for transporting a 6 in baton from Paris to London. The officer explained that they consider it an offensive instead of defensive weapon. Stupid, I know. I explain I explain that if I had bought a souvenir Eiffel Tower that it would make a longer larger and heavier weapon with sharp sharp corners, but they just don't see the logic.
Wow there are so many regulations on these
@Christopher33312 yes but that's because the police in england uk don't carry a firearm but a baton. as an offensive weapon. the logic is hard to find. country and state. i live in arizona. and can carry a firearm open. Even an AR15, a shotgun is also open in my car, no problem. but a butterfly knife is strictly forbidden. because it is seen as a deadly weapon
All criminals are tough guys till they get hit with a baton in the right spot by a person that knows how to use it. Great video thank you!
Thanks my friend!
Nicely done! Key take home message, train with what you carry even if it’s just a piece of wood.
Daniel a gentleman that lives on my road about a half a block Away from me hit a druged up ol boy with one of these telescopic batons. And it knocked his eye out but our local authorities put my neighbor in jail but 4 months later the state of Georgia dropped all charges. So I do fully agree with you they can and will do serious harm. God bless and have a great day.
You as well brother! Thanks for sharing
I'll bet that guy remembers to keep an eye out for anyone with a baton after that...
As an older person, who uses a cane when walking. I don't need said baton, although it is neat looking. And yes I've learned how to use my cane in a scuffle.
Cold Steel makes a really solid sword cane. I love it. I just bought one at a recent gun show. It's not a toy. About $100
theres "Cane Self Defense" Channels on UA-cam (sorry; forgot names)
@@redfaux74 Cold Steel also makes an identical appearing cane without the sword, in case you want to get people used to seeing your "harmless" cane which is legal everywhere. Carry whichever suits your location and mood each day.
@chutethemall8099 - That's genius. I hope it has a nice solid metal tip.
I have some of their polypropylene canes too. They're excellent.
When I worked in EMS if we were going into a dicey situation I would slide my 6 D cell mag light into its ring. A blast of white light to the face and a whack on the collarbone is how I trained. That's probably not socially acceptable these days, but it's still better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I've had several collapsible batons over the years. I feel if you want to add one to your kit you should get the best ones made. I think after looking into the different brands that Monadnocks are the best buy.
Those are still lower end. Basically wanna get the ASP ones if you can. The sentry series is one of the budget models that's still really good.
@@kishascape Thanks for the intel
I agree with the other poster. I’ve been carrying the same asp baton for 27 years on the job. It’s seen its share of action
Monadnock are good as asp maybe better.
There are 2 models from a European company, that make all the batons I know of, to look like toys. These do not break, or bent, no matter how many times or how much force you use, to hit stones bricks or anything. Actually, it smashes all kind of stuff, into small pieces. I can add their page link If you want. They also look as good ass they perform.
And that company is?
@@Irfan87 ESP This is a demonstration ua-cam.com/video/Lf-CvvQ67zc/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AdamCeladin
Definitely!
@@411Outdoors This is a small video of Adam, trying them out of the box. ua-cam.com/video/-caiQMMniv8/v-deo.html&ab_channel=AdamCeladin
I think he is talking about the czech company ESP.
Great review as always! Thanks!
I just bought a cold steel cane. I lost some toes an require an balancer now. It also come with a 30" needle tip poker.
Used my ASAP while on duty a few times, still got mine and the shoulder rig for it for when wearing under a suit coat. but the cheap little Spring Billy OMG did we love them on protection details in D.C. they would fit in the small nylon mag light pouches and could hide / carry them really well on yr person, i dropped a guy 1 time with 1 hit to the knee and got the client out. Training with then can kick your butt. we did 2 min drills going from strikes to blocks you do that along with all the other training and dam by the end your lucky you can lift your arms.
Your right thugs don't really fear the Baton as much as a gun or blade. and if your going to use a baton TRAINING IS A MUST!!! knowing how to deploy it When to deploy it , whats behind / next to you when deploying it. how to carry it. i had 1 guy i hit a few times but he was so focused on beating the other guy the baton had no affect on him
Great information brother
I just carry a firearm folks, even where not legal but that’s just me, I don’t let government disarm me
Def my weapon of choice coupled with a knife
Ndeed got me benchmade bugout in da pocket deep carry too
A knife has way more uses than a baton, but if i had to fight someone who had a knife, and i could only use a knife or a baton, id actually pick the baton.
Definitely. Reach is king. I'd always prefer a stick, axe/hammer handle or baton over a knife.
Most definitely esp if fighting someone with a knife 👍
I got a 21inches expandable steel baton I use to protect my self and I practice everyday with my expandable steel baton now I am very good with it
That’s great! It’s a great weapon
Question buddy what size is your expandable baton buddy
Sign up for a seminar train a master that teaches Kali or Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) as it emphasizes the use of sticks,knives and various improvised weapons.I guarantee you when you master this,you will be swift,deadly and agile,even against multiple attackers.Stay safe,mate.
I don't have that tool. I do see it's place in a self defense situation. But I do own a Cold Steel Pocket Shark. Those can be nasty if you know how and where to use them on a human body. With them, it is a stab and jab type thing, where the distance is close and you want the assailant to get hurt. You touched on the legal side of the batons quite well. Very nice!
Thank you 🙂👊
I have a junior size aluminum baseball bat for home defense. The telescopic baton looks very viable for self carry defense along with OC spray and a pocket knife.
There is a reason that a certian motorcycle group carries ballpeen hammers. They are legal most places. Hit very very hard and are not considered a weapon.
Great info!
Tyranic government fears people with such batons.
Sic Semper Tyrannis!
I... you... you know our government forces typically carry ASP batons for less lethal force, right? ASP's weapons are legendary, and you can't just buy them as a civilian. Stick to guns if you want them to fear you.
I don't own the Cold Steel version,this video is the first I seen of theirs, but I do own a two from another company each ine different lengths.
They are very good and the information you point out in the video is dead on point. ⚔️💯
Thanks so much!
Wise words squire🤙🏻🤙🏻🤙🏻
Collapsible batons are legal to carry in Texas 👍🏼👍🏼
Gotta love big Tex
Grenade launchers are legal to carry in TX. 🤣🤣🤣
Flamethrowers are legal in all 50 states
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Everything's legal in Florida, if concealed.
I love your vids!! and I love Cold Steel! Been buying their products for years. PB and True Flight Throwers, SRK, Trench Hawk, any many more. AWESOME PRODUCTS! ALWAYS been happy! UNTIL.....I bought this baton. I didn't even test it on anything, just played with it, opening/closing. Didn't even open it that hard as they are a pain to close. The thinnest segment just popped right out. I couldn't believe it! I have a no name cheap flea market baton that I bought over 20 years ago for $25. I've opened/closed it 1000s of times, play with it all the time. Never had an issue. So when the end of of two week old Cold Steel baton just popped out like that I was shocked! The thinnest segment is too short, it needs to extend into the center segment by another half inch. And the steel is WAY TOO soft for a baton. I tried fixing it with a hammer and couldn't believe how soft and weak the steel was. I guess this is just what happens when a product is made in China. I can only imagine if I had to use this in an emergency situation and it just fell apart like that. TRUST ME! spend %50-%75 percent more! and get something better! Sorry Cold Steel! But this is an EPIC FAIL!!
I like the one from police magnum better myself👍
I actually carried a similar model through college working the night shift. Kinda bulky even in a large coat but the grip was great. Only downside was having to awkwardly slam it into the pavement to close it.
I wouldn't want to mess around and find out. It's a awesome skill and adaptable.
I have several collapsible batons in various sizes. I keep the 21 inch in my vehicle.
In my state I can carry anything. I have EDCed the Cold Steel Vaquero Grande 6 inch serrated folder in my right pocket for about 29 years. I bought the Rajah ll in March 2020 and EDC that in my left now. I also EDC the S&W 9mm SD with about 45 rounds and more in my vehicle.
Times are crazy. Lynn Thompson gets us ready for that. I don't think you can beat Cold Steel in any category. I have about 100 of their products. My dream from them is their Nodachi.
I'm with you there. I carry 3 knives + EDC gun + 2 extra mags. One mag with HP. the other +P ammo.
BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW.
When there's been 3 shooters with body armor in the last 5-10 years...that's worrisome a little bit.
@drakke125Channel - And the biggest, scariest thing about it all is.....
.... people don't practice shooting. I practice often. I buy boxes of 50 to 200 weekly, shoot 20 to 30 of them. I used to shoot sporting clays once a week, that's 100 rounds of 12g at moving targets but my resource changed. But my goal is to aim small, not just head but eyes. Chest but a 3 inch circle in between and just above the nipples. And the crotch. If you break the hip bone, they cannot pursue you. The bleeding it would cause would be heavy enough to need medical within 2 minutes.
We cannot get stagnant. Crazy is here. But the wick is a little longer than I thought. How long? It has to blow soon.....
As a retired LEO, my preference was the solid 24 inch poly baton, over the expandable. When training in the use of a straight baton, the primary technique was the two handed thrust to the torso, including the solar plexus One handed strikes were the secondary response. Being the solid baton is the same diameter of the whole length, a two handed grip is much more secure, than gripping the narrow telescopic steel tubes of the telescopic. If the solid baton is used for striking, i believe it can produce for kinetic force, than the expandable. Finally, the most common disadvantage of the friction lock expandable baton, is if it collapses when being used. If one portion retracts during usage, then trying to use it effectively is almost impossible, because it must be completely closed and then reopened again.
Carry what you need to carry to protect you and your family and stay alive and be judged by a jury if it comes down to that. Police might only be a minute away but you could be killed in a minute also. I have been hit a lot with batons in training and it hurts for weeks and have used one in real life. Most times the thigh strikes have little or no effect so you have to go to the shin, forearm or shoulder but never the head unless its life or death, then do what you have to do. Great video! Keep them coming!
how much is that baton
I think it is about 35. Check out my review on the Nextorch air baton. I like it better. Search 411 outdoors Nextorch air baton
I am a baton fan. I have a 21 inch rothco. I like it as an option for defense.
Realistic information 👍
My small dog got mauled by an escaped pitbull. I had no self defense tool
I’m very sorry to hear that my friend
Carry a blade friend no matter what the frikken law says
Not in Texas..it's almost all legal now....
Carried a knife sharpener that just seemed to be balanced perfectly and tested it with alarming results. That lead me here actually. I cracked an aluminum bat and bent rebar in a single swing. I’m hoping this will do the same
Yes I have one and yes I've used one had an assailant at the liquor store who did not fear the gun nor the knife but he saw the baton and he ran because he knew I would break his bones 👍😎🐝
Thank you sir!
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This is why I have both lethal and less-than-lethal weapons, bro!
Time and a place for all. Anyone who comes in here with my daughters will be a ghost
Bent mine on a concrete wall next to a shoplifter. He returned the merchandise I watched him steal, after my demo.
Good to know.
I love that opening spiel, great, keep it up, man!
Thanks my friend!
The fact of these being standard police patrol kit on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean is a indication of their effectiveness. They're illegal to carry on the streets in England unless yr a copper on duty. Self-defence weapons carried here have to be disguised, so I carry a shellacked bamboo "walking stick" for a "knee injury" - if I'm ever ?'d over it by the police. I haven't been, but I've seen a few coppers go by glancing at it with a wry smile suspecting what it is & seeing that I'm not the kind to use as a street criminal, or you might carry a weight of some sort in your pocket that has another (lawful) use, but if necessary can be used quickly to increase fist heft. Foot-work (retreating to an assailant's advance) to keep the target in a striking distance zone is key to using arm's length weapons, and needs - as you say - to be practiced, as does using it in motion, as the muscles in the particular arms it uses are usually underdeveloped for it. A firm grip whilst maintaining a loose wrist also seems to work better, increasing the flexibility of the arm's motion + weight of the strike. Well presented film with good advice, thx
Thanks my friend! Well said 🙂👍👍
Good video keep up the good work! I was thinking about getting one of these, glad you did a presentation on it.
Thanks my friend! Glad to be of service 👍👊
"...feel the power in the swing" with that accent 😎
idk.. not for everyone I think. I'm glad you covered the important details. one has to not be afraid to get into the fight in order to use it right. .. in which case why would such a person be afraid enough to carry it.? If you really don't want any trouble you carry spray and stay away. Then if that doesn't work you pull something like this, or more, and get into it.
The reason for so much psychology in my comments is that I question my own capacity for violence and think that many who don't probably should. Maybe a video topic for you. I'd like to see that. ;-)
😅 I enjoyed your video, Just got my “cold steel baton” today and was searching UA-cam for trainings on how to use them, that’s how I came across your site. I very recently became involved in Security protection and do have my Security Officer Class “D”license & Class “G” license; and will also be receiving on hand training for it.
Good info !
Are they legal in SC ?
“ In general, retractable batons are legal to own and carry. In California, it is illegal to carry an expandable baton. California law makes it illegal to even possess a retractable baton” Got that off Google. Everything is illegal in Cali lol
Nice! Big fan of Cold Steel, have 3 of their bats, a couple knives...think this will be next purchase but might go with smaller version and where I'm at no regulations regarding batons👍
Cool!
You need to do a video on chief Aj sling bows.
⭐the rubber handle on your cold steel baton and the police magnum look exactly the same. Are they?
I think they’re the same design
As an armed guard, I carry two batons just like how I carry two OC sprays and two main 9mm pistols side by side like a gunslinger
Disadvantage of doubling up on all those items is retention, if they were trying to be wrestled away by several attackers, it could be very difficult to prevent it.
I love walking the woods and camping. Many times I carry a firearm but when hiking the State Parks I don't carry one. I'm going to check the local laws to see if I can legally carry a baton.
I’ve had several of those they are good baton
Out walking or hiking, batons are useful dealing with all but the largest wild animals and poorly trained dogs. Simply snapping one open is likely to get them to break off their attack.
I've got a couple of batons and luckily they are fun toys to play with and I hope that's all they ever will be cause I don't want to use them to defend myself unless no other choice 😮
I legally conceal carry a handgun in CA. But I can’t have a baton, cane sword or switch blade. Go figure.
Cali has some whack laws, that’s for sure.
These have been around for over 30 years. I carried once when in LE, so why all of the sudden does everyone seem to thing this is a new concept? I dont get it.
Looking to get one.
Bought one today as a non lethal option. On my way home i met a man running frantically toward me at midnight. I put my baton in my hand and looked at him but did not deploy it. We both turned the same direction and he decided to walk in the middle of the street in traffic so he didnt walk behind me on the sidewalk. Lol. Im a bit numb to this kind of thing. Also i usually have several non lethal options on me so the baton is like the most extreame non leathal item. Its a fun neighborhood. Stay safe freinds.😂
Carry a 21’’ baton with me often while I’m out, have a 26” I keep at home by my bed. Fortunately I live in a state that allows them, hope I never have to use them
Great video
I carry one for animals and certain self defense situations , mainly knives or other clubs, sticks . It's going to give me some distance . And I'm not naive to the horrors of knives, I have LOTS of training . But compared to NOT having one I'll take it . I agree the goal is to break bones , people can take INCREDIBLE amounts of damage under adrenaline or drugs so you got to try and make that limb unable to function. I carry mine in my back pocket , have for years . Between it, my knives and CCW it's the fastest thing I can deploy and create space with . It's in my hand the instance I think something might go sideways . What great about that is I haven't "pulled" a knife of pistol in that super rare event of things getting reported to police . Overall I actually consider it my main OFFENSIVE weapon for hand to hand . Everything else I carry is defensive , 100% life threatening situations. But with impact weapons you can control the damage done more so than other weapons. In fact I keep an axe handle in my car for the same reason after all the riots where I live. I prefer them to bats even because the shape concentrates the impact better . You get a compound fracture for sure with an axe handle . But after all that I am very happy to say the only thing I've ever had to use my baton for is clearing storm drains . I hope it stays that way.
Two guys I knew as teenagers came home and told me about an old man that took a wooden arrow shaft and whipped them both.
Haha! One way to get things done
You can't carry those in my state thanks to our cowardly lawmakers. So when I go to unsafe places I throw on my super long California framing hammer with sharpened claws for demolition work. If you sharpen them correctly most people can't tell. I'd actually rather have it than a baton. There's a reason warhammers were so popular back in the day.
Absolutely 👍👍 you got an awesome weapon there
Where can I buy one of these battons?
I sent you a link on your other comment
I bought one as an easy way to carry a big stick while exercise walking in the city, primarily for defense against off leash dogs who were not friendly. Never had to deploy it for that purpose though, which is fine with me. I'd hate for an adversary to have one though.
Indeed!
Thanks from the Netherlands 🇱🇺👍🏻this is a awesome Channel, true Grit.
O yeah, dad always carried a collapsible flexible spring baton with a extra weighted head welded on it..a just in case piece. Later on he carried a leather blackjack. Maybe you can do a little review on that old school piece, peace and God Bless❤✌🏻
You as well! Cheers 🙂
I had a few of them for working scurity , tho one day when i saw a car go in the river i saned a old lady with my baton , i broke her car window in the water i cound not get the dorr open then i used my lockblade to cut her seatblet and pulled her out of the car befor it went even deeper , i lost it in the water or car but if i did not have that baton she would be dead now , i now have 4 of them in my survival cache and a few other goodys for one day if you know what i meen.
hey! so witch baton do you recommend? the one from police magnum or the one from cold steel!? i hear the police magnum is better, but whats your opinion!
Police magnum for sure! The cold steel one was the first one I tested and it’s not as good
@@411Outdoors great deal! thank you for the response!
Thanks for the review. Can you make a video on coldsteel baseball bat Brooklyn ?
ua-cam.com/video/AwrNPU1ET9M/v-deo.html 🙂👍👍
@@411Outdoors thank you I just watch it . The Basher fits in backpacks so you can take it with you whenever you going . I think it’s better than -expandable baton
Can you glue a 1/4 bolt on the tip and call it a selfie stick?
Not a bad idea 😂
This would be awesome
I’ve been carrying the same asp baton for 27 years on the job. If that baton could talk!
cool video bro, u should make more like this
🙂👍👍
Hey bro,make a review about combat stinger
How to buy the baton,
www.policemagnum.com/black-steel-expandable-baton-rubber-handle/
When Cold Steel was Lynn Thompson, I know they had some good knives. He last I heard still had an interest in it, but no longer owner. I used knives for everything, where I really liked Cold Steel. Kabar is good, but theyre made in N.Y., only thing bad I know.
Where theres better knives Ive heard, but general use Cold Steel used to be sweet.
Good stuff buddy! TALLADEGA today baby!
I was thinking about using one of these on a dog. There's this crazed dog in my neighborhood that keeps getting after me when I am out jogging. I feel like something like this could be a decent equalizer. Or should I use mace?
Mace could be the backup. I like the idea of both
I use Czech ESP but this one looks good. I would like to see, a little more testing of it im this video.
One thing I will say is that is does good as long as it doesn’t meet something to hard. It does bend. I would wreck a human or animal
@@411Outdoors Thank You for answer. 🍻
Question becomes, is it an illegal stick.
Definitely depends who when and where etc.
I have one just like yours I train with it and carry it but I hope I never have to use it.
Have u try out any type of canes like sword canes or regular one like the raven cane
I have not but that sword cane sounds awesome!
O ok well try check some out I know cold steel has some and American cane self defense and cane masters to
My girlfriend has a client, high profile body guard he apparently had to use a SAP last week to fight off 6 people. He took a beating, he wanted to shoot them but he conscious stopped him from doing so. He will be here tomorrow, so I'm sure I will get more details. Anyway, he survived, despite taking a licking himself.
Thanks for sharing 👍
13,21 or 26 inches? What length of baton has the most advantage is self defense weather it's close quarters combat or out in the open?
I really like the 21 inch the best. It sits right in the middle. Not too long or short.
I will say the 13 inch does interest me a little bit just because I love leather saps so much, but they are highly regulated and that’s about the length of a sap
I carry bear mace and a 24 inch baton on the trail. I’m in Texas so no bears here, but you know…..
I've actually had a pretty bad experience with this one, when I received the cold steel 26" baton I flicked and collapsed it a buncha times until the top piece flew off after I opened it...I was being pretty forceful with it so I don't know if it was either user error or the baton was unreliable
Sounds like a possible defect
Very nice
Do you know what do l find it?
I got mine off Amazon