If there's one constant I've seen in my brief time playing the game and many years watching UA-cam videos about it, it's that every time a new tech line or premium ship gets introduced, a vocal percentage of the player base will complain about it being OP or "cracked." This will continue until WG either nerfs it, leading to different complaints, or a new tech line/ship gets introduced to start the process over.
As for the last part, I think it will always have to be that in a assymetrical game like WoWs in all seriousness is. Something WILL always be "OP" or "cracked" :P Now it might be the PA line, next week, as you say, it might be the shima line etcetc..
You saw a lot of players saying the Bungo, Yodo, Cassard, Regolo, Jinan, Gouden Leeuw, Cerberus, San Martin lines were busted when released? Show me these comments
@@chiracultrainstinct3d629 No need for comments when there are LITERAL videos about it :P And especially so about golden lew and san martin :P So yes, I'm right, and that's fine. I'm not your enemy, WG is in this case :P
It is dmg+reload not pen, the pen is 59mm base meaning almost only sojus and kremlin can shatter them. And i only have ipiranga and andes, ipiranga is pretty ballanced i think but the andes has just absolutely cracked sec dmg, without the commander. And the range sounds stronger than it is bc you have to build up accuracy first so its just when ships get out of range after some time where it is usefull and the citadell is just absolutely huge, ranging from bow to sturm, andes has 32mm bow -> overmatchable and behind it directly i think 50mm cit armor or smth like that and bot andes an libertad can be easily citadelled by cruisers when they shoot at sturn/bow where i dont know any other ship that has citadell there. If you dont know what i mean go to their armorlayout, hide everything but bow/sturn and look into them from the shipinner you will see the citarmor so not just the part that is called cit armor in the hide/show section is actually cit armor.
Just tried the Iparanga recently - only an 11pt event commander, no AR just secondary spec. Ship turns like a cruiser, gotta know when to push or kite like any ship… guns can be meh but secondaries are chonkers! The odd 1-2k secondary hit is insanely fun.
The key is to kill them quickly if you leave them too long or crippled they’ll get commander procs and AR buff, also try to get close if your in a BB if they focus secondary on you and you get close enough all their shots will bounce off your belt.
I think it's early to call them out as broken, and they won't change the meta so some will just have their fun with them and go back to other ships. What I would like to see is buffs to older secondary ships. The German battle cruiser line, the commander change to give cruisers better secondaries, and now the Pan-American line, I think it's time to show some love to other secondary ships. It could be just an improvement to accuracy or maybe damage/pen would bring them up to par with these newer brawlers.
I got the Ipiranga for free and ground out the xp to get the next tier in operations. The Ipiranga was a lot of fun. The Los Andes is also good in operations, but the large numbers of Azumas and Yoshinos among the bots means that there will be fires.
i love the line! they are alot of fun. i'm sure the nerf bat is incoming. the ipiranga has replaced all other tier 8 battleships for the ranked and brawls. it accelerates and turns like a cruiser and just enough armor to bounce when angled.
I'm more looking forward to see Spanish fast Vermont comes live. 2 BB salvos in a quick succession is terrifying enough but then you have reload booster to shorten that long burst reload.
Don’t forget to tell everybody that these ships burn to a crisp very easily. The gun dispersion at distance sucks. Cruisers can melt you down in no time.
German secondaries better against DDs, but overall Pan Americans just feel better especially with their main guns. I love my Schlieff but I thought about selling it recently.
Talk about 15k secondaries, have you noticed that the T'Pau in the Star Trek event has 20k secondaries base on at least the first equipment type? When I noticed that, I thought it was a bit crazy, they have more range than the primary guns/phasers.
That's mostly because stock T'Pau has no real other way to deal hull damage. She needs those secondaries to even remotely compete with the others because she got forced to start with Phasers. The moment you get her real guns(Artillery PSH-1), you no longer need that range and can safely move off to the other hulls.
I have kept running the phasers on my T'Pau because almost nobody else comes into a round with a necessary build to quickly drop the enemies shields so artillery and torpedo systems can actually hit the hull and do full damage. I have lost count of the number of players I have seen launch their torpedoes at a fully shielded enemy ship to do a pittance worth of damage, versus fully destroying the ship if they had waited to bring the shields down before they launched. Oh, and even using the base build with phasers I am still doing 300k-500k damage with 6-8+ kills a match.
@@WVGato I don't find the Artillery guns have any issue dropping the shields. Even more so running support hull for the 35% boost to damage, you can nuke down the shields with the Artillery, and the Borg will come close enough for the 7.5km secondaries to start working them over as well. Run a pulse phaser as the secondary and you can easily take on entire sides of the map. The lasers just lack the raw damage to make up for the long reload of the aux weapons. Suppose it does come down to preference, I just personally get past the massive DPM drop to take the lasers over the artillery any time I'm playing the BB. Though I often play the Cruiser with the SAP guns even though they are a DPM drop, but they trade DPM for raw alpha strike that after a few buffs will one shot the DDs. For some reference, my BB runs tend to average around 500-700k, Cruiser runs 550k-800k. Also yeah it gets really annoying watching people waste their long cool down aux weapons on a shielded target. Gets even more frustrating playing Enterprise and really needing your team to knock that last tiny bit of shields out so you can nuke a BB, and they just refuse. Or they do but follow it up with their photon torpedoes or something so your torp is wasted. That's just randoms though. Happens in everything PvE.
"sole focus of the enemy team" ... me in buffalo or P.Rupprecht: i absolutely feel you ... but u deserve it since you are in pan american bb line (had to deal with them alot lately)...
Schlieffen called and would like a buff, thanks. Lower HP, fewer heals, much worse armor, and no funny button as well. This line is the definition of power creep.
Take into account that this is first weeks of it being out. Which means that it's mostly sweats, veterans and best players that got their hands on it at this point. Average potato and casual players will take months to grind for it, and that's when we'll see the winrate plummet.
Just wait until the pan-american BB`s have much more battles. Over 1 million battles with Bourgogne against 16700 with Libertad says nothing. Wait until the huge bunch of noobs get their muddy hands on Libertad, her stats will fall down like exploding planes. The whole line of this ships isn`t OP if you learned to deal with them. They eat much damage from every ammo thrown at them, and if you love the italian BB`s, you can scare the hell ot of them with your SAP ammo. They`re also vulnerable to CV attacks because their AA isn`t strong. They`re battlecruisers with weak armor and a lack of health points, making them more easy to kill. I think this is enough to balance them. On tier 8 i prefer the Atlantico, a real battleship. Slower than Ipiranga, but with good armor, she`s a sturdy ship with moderate main guns and great secondaries.
Hi Mountbatten, im a fairly new player i was wondering if there was an updated nations characteristics guide that you have done? As im not quite sure how to play each nation
I don’t find enjoyment on Secondary ships. Yes, including Pan American line. IDK. It just like W + M1 from what I usually play. I can see why people liking it. But I prefer gun hitter to secondaries. Now my playstyle of BBs isn’t changed for many years now. Ever since CBT era. I love brawling but I just don’t find joy of using secondaries. Which is why I love Littorio more than Bismarck. And Recently, I played British Bb again with different commander’s set up. Surprisingly utilized both AP and HE is very fun for British BBs. Like seriously, people keep saying just load HE and spam as British BBs when in reality, British BBs are good with both rounds and should use both in the suitable situations. Maybe because players sees British BB and thought, “hmm HE spam. Broadside for my maximum DPM” and see their surprised faces when the shell approaching isn’t HE shells. My loadout is simple. Swam Demo to Gun Feeder. Surprisingly more effective than DE. Because I don’t believe in percentages. Why? Well, if the fire is RNGs anyways, I don’t bother about Fire percentages. Because my Luck is horrible anyways where even if I have 99.9% Fire chance there will be zero fires for me. So I just don’t bother increase fire chance. Get the Gun Feeder and suddenly I felt very comfortable as British BB. It felt nice to use Gun Feeder on British BB. HE only for situations or not garantee a good AP shot. HE will be use at ranges while AP is just trolling Cruisers and Broadside BBs. Don’t get me wrong. HE feels great but having both ammunition ready is always more handy.
So tired of seeing these ships spammed everywhere. It has only gotten worse since 13.10's release. Every 4v4 brawl right now seems to have at least 2 Iperangas on each team. I took Iperanga out a few times during early access, and I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as my other T8 brawling BBs. Maybe less, as it is far easier to citi than a Tirpitz, for example. I also didn't feel like its secondaries were ungodly strong. Maybe Libertard is different. One thing I will say is that I like how many noobs there are driving these things and offering me flat broadside due to a mistaken notion of their own perceived OPness.
Lot of the T8 in Ranked. Chose the Massa myself as already in EA done the grind to T9. Been doing the Star Trek now that done the 15 wins in bronze. Raking in the credits and rewards there so not much done with the t10 but do have the commander with 21 points ready to go when bored of the trek stuff. Was not overly impressed with the T8 I suspect as new some players not yet spent much time against them. With the new date come up for the coupons then invested in shikishima and built as secondary. The Smolensk was somewhat surprised when melted him with the secondaries so newer ships do catch out players.
Imo the t9 is the best of the line. Over 14 games my average damage is 140k, the best game I've had so far is 258k with 140k secondary damage which is bonkers
Ohhh, I think that I am not the only one, I think it is because it has a better construction, the height of the ship is smaller (reminds me the petro) the armor, the turret angles are better, the same with the secondaries, and the deck armor is better because it doesn't have these weird structure that basically makes you eat damage while your are retreating or going backwards, so in reality, the jewel of the line is the t9 (Los Andes)
Well in my brandy I can mulch the ip do to its worse armour, and I can also just blap them from range with other BBs, or in a DD, just launch deep water torps and mulch them since no hydro
I take serious offense at "whaling" the tier 9 & 10 on release. I used blue boosters on the iperanga and ground out 674k exp. I mercenaried for other clans for 300k exp. I got the special captain up to 20 points. I was ready on day 1 of release to unlock tier 9 & FREXP T10. Not one dime of my money spent to get the tier 9 & 10.
I was in a random Brawl match and it turned out that I was with 2 other Ipiranga's and we were up against a Tirpitz, an Odin and a Champaign. The Tirpitz player immediately says in chat that you know that the Ipiranga is not known for its survivability and laughs. Can you guess who was the first to die and all three of us Ipirangas survived and we won easy.
Ipiranga is pretty good in Brawls. I've had some success there. I will grind up to Libertad, even though I don't have the special commander. Btw, how do you get that dude?
@@C0W0B0Y currently you can't. You had to buy anniversay pan am crates and complete a puzzle collection. I'm sure they'll eventually put the collection crates up in the armory for coal or something.
Ranked became unbereable: 6 vs 6 and HALF of ships are PanAm spamming BBs. Playing anything that hits hard from distance or can torp stealthy is impossibe - 1 random radar from enemy will melt down and DD in 30 secs - especially when DD is in rage od TWO BBs' secandariezz.
I'm finishing up Battle off Samar now. I think you get it when the event ends. I hope. Also, the sixth mission drops Thursday. Leyte Gulf isn't finished, or over, and is available until 11/27.
If I understand correctly, one of the missions' reward is unlocking the ability to buy Enterprise and it doesn't count towards Tenessee progress. The last mission set that is unlocked on 7th will count.
Maybe it's just me, but on Asia the t9 just doesn't work as well as the t8 did. MM has not been kind for sure and pushing is much more doable at the lower tiers.
These ships are not "OP", people just did not adapt to the new threat in games. A Libertad is easy to kill. All you need is a secondary Mecklenburg 😉 Ipiranga, Los Andes and the Libertad are "Passive Defense Line Breaker" and "Cap Contester" The Libertad with its huge deck area (compared to the Los Andes and Ipiranga) is easy to hit, even when it is very maneuverable. Ipiranga and Los Andes are beasts, WHEN you let them as enemy. Personally I perform best in the Los Andes, even with a normal commander and it also has the highest "potential damage rate" of all my ships, with over 1.8 million average (Pommern, G.K., Preussen, Meckle, all these ships are average around 1.4-1.5 million all of them played as brawler) AND the Los Andes got also 20% average damage more than my Libertad. You know you are tanky, when you are broadside to a Satsuma within 20 km, get a full set of 6 shells (bundled so small you couldnt see a gap betwenn the shells) fully into the broadside and take only full pens instead of any citadel damage... Ipiranga and Libertad can't take that, the Los Andes can. But these ships die really quick if you send them "all in" while the enemy can crossfire you to oblivion.
I'm going to be honest, Los Andes is funnier than Libertad, I don't really know why, but that's my feeling, the t10 didn't like me so much, I don't like the turret angles, the secondary angles, and the armor layout, I think that Los Andes has a better distribution and armor layout than Libertad, so maybe i am the only one.
They aren’t really busted or anything but the maneuverability is insane! These things handle like dd’s, that is what needs to be nerfed. The secondary’s and main battery to me seem fine. I have no issue dealing with libertads in randoms.
I lost 8k hp in 0.2 seconds in an ITA DD at 6km away from the Los Andes,. Was dumb of me to be that close? Yes but I shouldn't get insta deleted by secondaries , I was.legit smacked by all the 234s at once
@rommel8433 I stuck up on with speed and exhaust smoke to torp it, game was other we won regardless if I die Come out of my smoke at an angle to launch all my torps , dead in 0.2 seconds, or maybe 2 seconds, dead very quickly though
You virtually can't go in to a random, ranked, or brawl without 1 or 2 of these ships in the match. That tells you a lot about how good they are. Saying that, they are not that hard to destroy in most situations
You just need to play around them. Keep your distance, particularly if you are a DD. The annoying thing though, is the secondaries on this ship have a longer range than most DD torpedos.
I mean there were probably a ton of people, like myself, who got the t8 from the battle pass and were just waiting for release to grind the next 2 tiers.
Because it was released very recently and most players want to try it but don’t know how to play them correctly. But when it’s well played, you can clearly push an entire flank alone and smash all enemy BBs and cruisers, especially with T9 and T10
Wow, a brawling Captain defending the King of Brawlers; I'm shocked! The ships are OP, and will most likely be nerfed sometime around spring or summer, as WG does nothing quickly.
It’s fine where it’s at. It’s a brawler.. it’s guns are not good at range.. if you want to have a balanced meta than WG did the right thing by making a ship that can do just this.. brawl..
@@RUHappyATMgood for Pan American tech tree ships and some premiums. Although we have limited pool of premium Pan-Am ships that have F button so you mostly have to choose between San Martin or Libertad.
So I’m gonna have to disagree with you. You present it like it’s a popularity issue, but they are very overpowered. We have seen plenty of new lines with little fan fare. I didn’t hear grumbles about the European cruiser line. The new French DD line, we had the community nervous( because of original did line is broken) but that passed quickly. It’s more than the new flavor of the month. It’s power creep at its worst. At least it’s making more people push, my yue Yang is happy about this.
Dont know about T10, but Ipiranga is trash. Los Andes is better, but basically just way less armored Pommern with better mobility. Pommern is overall better
Your preferences are your own, but that is just objectively false. It is not way less armored. Other than laking an icebreaker, their armor is generally better than Pommern. Not to mention being smaller ships in general. Their secondaries are far better with better base accuracy and pen than Pommern without funny button. Their is a reason every content creator calls the line OP, and it isn't only for clicks. You're free to not like them even if they are OP, of course.
easily the best t10 in the game, of any class Honestly you have be a unicum level of player to appreciate how strong it is Amazing armour, amazing secondaries, great dancer, very good heal. heals 20% more than normal heals, you can heal back much more citael and pen damage, and the cool down is only 60 seconds. Means you can use multiple heals fully. Like the armour is better than Kremlins , you can go broadside and not take cits even at 15km. The armour is incased in 51mm lmao, so smashes a lot of cruiser HE I do agree that we do want more brawling, so I hope they dont nerf it. Aslong as you position yourself well, you can easily get 150k. This is a ship an average player can have multiple 250k games This ship is more broken than when Conde came out
I'll add to SeaLords calling out of bold takes here with "easily the best T10 in the game" and "You have to be unicum to appreciate how strong it is" while among unicum players, she's really not doing so hot are also some fairly bold takes. Let's put some numbers to this of only accounts with 60% win rate or higher over just the last update(last 3 wouldn't be a fair comparison as she's not been in game for 3 updates yet): EU server - Libertad is number 2 for average damage, number 2 for win rate. EU server also from personal experience has a lot more potatoes to farm and a less passive meta because of this. NA server - she is 16th for average damage and 11th for win rate. Again personal experience, NA players on average are more skilled. Asia server - she is 18th for average damage and 9th for win rate. I have no personal experience on Asia, but I've heard it's very aircraft focused. Now lets compare to Bungo: EU server - 3rd for average damage, 9th on win rate. NA server - 2nd for average damage, 5th on win rate. Asia server - 7th for average damage, 3rd on win rate. How about Cristoforo Colombo: EU server - 1st for average damage, 8th for win rate NA server - 1st for average damage, 1st for win rate Asia server - 2nd for average damage, 7th for win rate. Now lets look at the number of players and battles keeping in mind these are just accounts with 60% OR MORE average win rate aka unicum players, EU - Libertad: 52 players 1031 battles. Bungo: 364 players 2220 battles. Cris Colombo 615 players 5425 battles. NA - Libertad: 27 players 305 battles. Bungo 211 players 1333 battles. Cris Colombo 378 players 4664 battles. Asia - Libertad: 19 players 164 battles. Bungo 263 players 1573 battles. Cris Colombo 545 players 6145 battles. So with the fewest battles, Libertad is only looking good on the EU server where it's easier to farm high damage and the meta is a lot less passive to begin with, and even then still isn't number 1 on any server. Meanwhile Bungo and CColombo are consistently top 10 on every server.
wow i am very suprised to hear that. Atlantico over Ipiringa ... guys are you mad ? Atlantico secondaries are ALWAYS broken, Atlantico in comparison to Ipiringa has no mobility (Ipiringa turns soo fast). for me this is very different. Ipiringa FOR ME is way way better.
Most people i see playing these are exactly the same people who play German BBs cluelessly. They will rush at the start of the game in a braindead way, get focussed and die. The ships arent the problem, the people playing those ships are.
I'm a blitz player, and the atletico ruins tier 8. When this comes out it's going to ruin tier 9 and 10 But to be fair the atlantico is op in blitz because they keep sticking it in crates with a 0.05% drop rate and in sonar slot machine.
yeah but these are stats when basically only old pro players willing to buy the los and liber give it 6+ months from now when the normies have them to and see how it is. right now a disproportianately experinced sector of the players is diving them and they are the least well known so people dont counter correctly.
Like everyone else, I got the Ipiranga during the event. It's a mediocre to bad ship. Guns are like a T5 BB rather than T8, in terms of accuracy. The secondary gimmick isn't all that special. I don't own any other Pan-Am BB.
For the first time i disagree with you. The Canons are below mediocre level (dispersion and alpha) and you rely mostly on thr ship's speed and secondaries...
and the Schlieffen still has better secs overall 🤣🤣 and no ... the Libertad does not do better in secs then Schlieffen even with the noob botton 🤣🤣 just wait for the mighty nerf hammer which will nerf them so hard that most ppl wont play them anymore xD
If people dont believe its OP, they are. All of them. Iparanga is like a t9 Schliffen. Los Andes is like a Schliffen t10. The Libertad is a t12 schliffen. But is this not what we want. Brawlers to brawl and get in close rather then spam sniping shells from 25km.
I mean a lot of the people who don't see them as overpowered would rather look at data than judge things based on feelings. The only one of them that is performing well on average based on global stats is Los Andes, and that could very well change over the next few updates as more players get into her. Another group is likely Asia server players, as universally every one of the Pan-American BBs are performing like hot garbage over there. Though their AA is just okay, and Asia has a lot of CV/hybrid players. NA they aren't doing so hot ether, but we have a lot more passive of a meta. Really the only server they are all doing at least okay on is EU, but EU is less passive, so in general brawlers do better over there. Also larger server size leading to more potato players to farm.
Do u feel this ship is OP? Or u just one of those passive sniper bastards who like to linger back rather than soaking damage as ur fucking boat meant to be… well I hope they only buffing these bastards to shift the DEAD high tier meta.
Libertad is a strong brawler, but far from a broken ship. The internet folk as always, are hyperbolic in their opinions. Given time, those winrates numbers will fall like any other ship. Sealord, my brother, the funny button it doesn't increase HE penetration, it just increases alpha damage.
Nope, the Schlieffen has sonar so they hit that and can turn without a worry about taking torps. and you have to wait to fill the F key b4 it's better than the Schlieffen, and then only 30 sec.
DD's can take out 2 full health BB's with their op torps. High dpm cruisers can melt any BB from over 15km with their insane reload rate. Subs with laser guided torps. BBs are the weakest class in the game. About time, they recei ed some se ondaries to counter op destroyers and cruisers.
I'm sick of seeing these stupid ass paper ships that require almost no skill to play. I'm going to play CV's and subs a lot more just to make the people who play these stupid ships lives hell.
If there's one constant I've seen in my brief time playing the game and many years watching UA-cam videos about it, it's that every time a new tech line or premium ship gets introduced, a vocal percentage of the player base will complain about it being OP or "cracked." This will continue until WG either nerfs it, leading to different complaints, or a new tech line/ship gets introduced to start the process over.
As for the last part, I think it will always have to be that in a assymetrical game like WoWs in all seriousness is. Something WILL always be "OP" or "cracked" :P Now it might be the PA line, next week, as you say, it might be the shima line etcetc..
You saw a lot of players saying the Bungo, Yodo, Cassard, Regolo, Jinan, Gouden Leeuw, Cerberus, San Martin lines were busted when released? Show me these comments
@@chiracultrainstinct3d629 No need for comments when there are LITERAL videos about it :P And especially so about golden lew and san martin :P So yes, I'm right, and that's fine. I'm not your enemy, WG is in this case :P
Found your channel yesterday looking for a guide on how to play Cruisers. Really enjoy your videos and they're very informative and fun!
It is dmg+reload not pen, the pen is 59mm base meaning almost only sojus and kremlin can shatter them.
And i only have ipiranga and andes, ipiranga is pretty ballanced i think but the andes has just absolutely cracked sec dmg, without the commander.
And the range sounds stronger than it is bc you have to build up accuracy first so its just when ships get out of range after some time where it is usefull and the citadell is just absolutely huge, ranging from bow to sturm, andes has 32mm bow -> overmatchable and behind it directly i think 50mm cit armor or smth like that and bot andes an libertad can be easily citadelled by cruisers when they shoot at sturn/bow where i dont know any other ship that has citadell there.
If you dont know what i mean go to their armorlayout, hide everything but bow/sturn and look into them from the shipinner you will see the citarmor so not just the part that is called cit armor in the hide/show section is actually cit armor.
Just tried the Iparanga recently - only an 11pt event commander, no AR just secondary spec.
Ship turns like a cruiser, gotta know when to push or kite like any ship… guns can be meh but secondaries are chonkers!
The odd 1-2k secondary hit is insanely fun.
The key is to kill them quickly if you leave them too long or crippled they’ll get commander procs and AR buff, also try to get close if your in a BB if they focus secondary on you and you get close enough all their shots will bounce off your belt.
I think it's early to call them out as broken, and they won't change the meta so some will just have their fun with them and go back to other ships. What I would like to see is buffs to older secondary ships. The German battle cruiser line, the commander change to give cruisers better secondaries, and now the Pan-American line, I think it's time to show some love to other secondary ships. It could be just an improvement to accuracy or maybe damage/pen would bring them up to par with these newer brawlers.
I got the Ipiranga for free and ground out the xp to get the next tier in operations. The Ipiranga was a lot of fun. The Los Andes is also good in operations, but the large numbers of Azumas and Yoshinos among the bots means that there will be fires.
i love the line! they are alot of fun. i'm sure the nerf bat is incoming. the ipiranga has replaced all other tier 8 battleships for the ranked and brawls. it accelerates and turns like a cruiser and just enough armor to bounce when angled.
I've got all three, and I love them! I got the Iparanga, in a box or container, its a beast. The tier 10 one is so evil :) I love it.
I'm more looking forward to see Spanish fast Vermont comes live. 2 BB salvos in a quick succession is terrifying enough but then you have reload booster to shorten that long burst reload.
Don’t forget to tell everybody that these ships burn to a crisp very easily. The gun dispersion at distance sucks. Cruisers can melt you down in no time.
Libertad's stats aren't updated on stats websites and still have the CC's biais (like all early access ships)
They cast a huge shadow on all the german bbs including the schlieffen line tbh.
Yeahhh, kinda feels like the Germans got screwed over
Naw. I’ll take schlieffen still cause it has torps.
@@AlderaansRanger that get knocked out the moment schlieffen is improperly touched by some HE?
@ not if you build into secondary survivability 100%
German secondaries better against DDs, but overall Pan Americans just feel better especially with their main guns.
I love my Schlieff but I thought about selling it recently.
I love playing in this ship but it’s my first secondary ship. I’m going up the German line at the moment. Almost tier 8. Love them too!
Talk about 15k secondaries, have you noticed that the T'Pau in the Star Trek event has 20k secondaries base on at least the first equipment type? When I noticed that, I thought it was a bit crazy, they have more range than the primary guns/phasers.
That's mostly because stock T'Pau has no real other way to deal hull damage. She needs those secondaries to even remotely compete with the others because she got forced to start with Phasers. The moment you get her real guns(Artillery PSH-1), you no longer need that range and can safely move off to the other hulls.
I have kept running the phasers on my T'Pau because almost nobody else comes into a round with a necessary build to quickly drop the enemies shields so artillery and torpedo systems can actually hit the hull and do full damage. I have lost count of the number of players I have seen launch their torpedoes at a fully shielded enemy ship to do a pittance worth of damage, versus fully destroying the ship if they had waited to bring the shields down before they launched. Oh, and even using the base build with phasers I am still doing 300k-500k damage with 6-8+ kills a match.
@@WVGato I don't find the Artillery guns have any issue dropping the shields. Even more so running support hull for the 35% boost to damage, you can nuke down the shields with the Artillery, and the Borg will come close enough for the 7.5km secondaries to start working them over as well. Run a pulse phaser as the secondary and you can easily take on entire sides of the map. The lasers just lack the raw damage to make up for the long reload of the aux weapons.
Suppose it does come down to preference, I just personally get past the massive DPM drop to take the lasers over the artillery any time I'm playing the BB. Though I often play the Cruiser with the SAP guns even though they are a DPM drop, but they trade DPM for raw alpha strike that after a few buffs will one shot the DDs.
For some reference, my BB runs tend to average around 500-700k, Cruiser runs 550k-800k. Also yeah it gets really annoying watching people waste their long cool down aux weapons on a shielded target. Gets even more frustrating playing Enterprise and really needing your team to knock that last tiny bit of shields out so you can nuke a BB, and they just refuse. Or they do but follow it up with their photon torpedoes or something so your torp is wasted. That's just randoms though. Happens in everything PvE.
I love this line, especially with the special commander.
going threw that line currently i am actually enjoying the IPiranga its rather amazing for its tier.
"sole focus of the enemy team" ... me in buffalo or P.Rupprecht: i absolutely feel you ... but u deserve it since you are in pan american bb line (had to deal with them alot lately)...
Whenever I play Operations, I always see at least one of these things, if not multiple of them
I'm fine with the cruiser maneuvering as a trade for low HP. If you can't tank the shells you can at least dodge
Schlieffen called and would like a buff, thanks. Lower HP, fewer heals, much worse armor, and no funny button as well. This line is the definition of power creep.
Take into account that this is first weeks of it being out. Which means that it's mostly sweats, veterans and best players that got their hands on it at this point. Average potato and casual players will take months to grind for it, and that's when we'll see the winrate plummet.
Just wait until the pan-american BB`s have much more battles. Over 1 million battles with Bourgogne against 16700 with Libertad says nothing. Wait until the huge bunch of noobs get their muddy hands on Libertad, her stats will fall down like exploding planes. The whole line of this ships isn`t OP if you learned to deal with them. They eat much damage from every ammo thrown at them, and if you love the italian BB`s, you can scare the hell ot of them with your SAP ammo. They`re also vulnerable to CV attacks because their AA isn`t strong. They`re battlecruisers with weak armor and a lack of health points, making them more easy to kill. I think this is enough to balance them.
On tier 8 i prefer the Atlantico, a real battleship. Slower than Ipiranga, but with good armor, she`s a sturdy ship with moderate main guns and great secondaries.
Hi Mountbatten, im a fairly new player i was wondering if there was an updated nations characteristics guide that you have done? As im not quite sure how to play each nation
what website do you pull up those stats from?
I don’t find enjoyment on Secondary ships. Yes, including Pan American line. IDK. It just like W + M1 from what I usually play. I can see why people liking it. But I prefer gun hitter to secondaries.
Now my playstyle of BBs isn’t changed for many years now. Ever since CBT era. I love brawling but I just don’t find joy of using secondaries. Which is why I love Littorio more than Bismarck. And Recently, I played British Bb again with different commander’s set up. Surprisingly utilized both AP and HE is very fun for British BBs. Like seriously, people keep saying just load HE and spam as British BBs when in reality, British BBs are good with both rounds and should use both in the suitable situations. Maybe because players sees British BB and thought, “hmm HE spam. Broadside for my maximum DPM” and see their surprised faces when the shell approaching isn’t HE shells. My loadout is simple. Swam Demo to Gun Feeder. Surprisingly more effective than DE. Because I don’t believe in percentages. Why? Well, if the fire is RNGs anyways, I don’t bother about Fire percentages. Because my Luck is horrible anyways where even if I have 99.9% Fire chance there will be zero fires for me. So I just don’t bother increase fire chance. Get the Gun Feeder and suddenly I felt very comfortable as British BB. It felt nice to use Gun Feeder on British BB. HE only for situations or not garantee a good AP shot. HE will be use at ranges while AP is just trolling Cruisers and Broadside BBs. Don’t get me wrong. HE feels great but having both ammunition ready is always more handy.
So tired of seeing these ships spammed everywhere. It has only gotten worse since 13.10's release. Every 4v4 brawl right now seems to have at least 2 Iperangas on each team.
I took Iperanga out a few times during early access, and I didn't enjoy it nearly as much as my other T8 brawling BBs. Maybe less, as it is far easier to citi than a Tirpitz, for example. I also didn't feel like its secondaries were ungodly strong. Maybe Libertard is different.
One thing I will say is that I like how many noobs there are driving these things and offering me flat broadside due to a mistaken notion of their own perceived OPness.
First to tell you nobody cares.
Just trying to finish out the line.
Line is hot out of the oven, of course everyone is going to play it until they get tired or new ships are introduced
Lot of the T8 in Ranked. Chose the Massa myself as already in EA done the grind to T9. Been doing the Star Trek now that done the 15 wins in bronze. Raking in the credits and rewards there so not much done with the t10 but do have the commander with 21 points ready to go when bored of the trek stuff.
Was not overly impressed with the T8 I suspect as new some players not yet spent much time against them.
With the new date come up for the coupons then invested in shikishima and built as secondary. The Smolensk was somewhat surprised when melted him with the secondaries so newer ships do catch out players.
Imo the t9 is the best of the line. Over 14 games my average damage is 140k, the best game I've had so far is 258k with 140k secondary damage which is bonkers
Ohhh, I think that I am not the only one, I think it is because it has a better construction, the height of the ship is smaller (reminds me the petro) the armor, the turret angles are better, the same with the secondaries, and the deck armor is better because it doesn't have these weird structure that basically makes you eat damage while your are retreating or going backwards, so in reality, the jewel of the line is the t9 (Los Andes)
Well in my brandy I can mulch the ip do to its worse armour, and I can also just blap them from range with other BBs, or in a DD, just launch deep water torps and mulch them since no hydro
I take serious offense at "whaling" the tier 9 & 10 on release.
I used blue boosters on the iperanga and ground out 674k exp. I mercenaried for other clans for 300k exp.
I got the special captain up to 20 points.
I was ready on day 1 of release to unlock tier 9 & FREXP T10.
Not one dime of my money spent to get the tier 9 & 10.
Serious offense 🤣
That’s not whaling sir, that is good ol grinding
@3:48 What is the "BA Montana"?
Premium montana from a weeb event
I find they are OP because their maneuverability is cruiser level
I was in a random Brawl match and it turned out that I was with 2 other Ipiranga's and we were up against a Tirpitz, an Odin and a Champaign. The Tirpitz player immediately says in chat that you know that the Ipiranga is not known for its survivability and laughs. Can you guess who was the first to die and all three of us Ipirangas survived and we won easy.
In brawls the teams with massy have been winning. The Ipis have all died fairly quickly.
Yeah but Brawl mode players are not known to be really good and/or care about surviving and win the game
I think the nerf bat will be mighty this time.
maybe not, WG loves to make German bb/bc line suffer ...
I've been playing the Tier IX a lot in scenarios, and I haven't found it overpowered in the least.
Ipiranga is pretty good in Brawls. I've had some success there. I will grind up to Libertad, even though I don't have the special commander.
Btw, how do you get that dude?
@@C0W0B0Y currently you can't. You had to buy anniversay pan am crates and complete a puzzle collection. I'm sure they'll eventually put the collection crates up in the armory for coal or something.
They feel very strong if you have the unique commander. Without him they just feel strong but not overly so as they are one trick ponies.
I got Smolensk from the auction. That’s all I’m gonna be playing for awhile 😂
Oof
Ranked became unbereable: 6 vs 6 and HALF of ships are PanAm spamming BBs. Playing anything that hits hard from distance or can torp stealthy is impossibe - 1 random radar from enemy will melt down and DD in 30 secs - especially when DD is in rage od TWO BBs' secandariezz.
sooo the secondary ships like the german BBs are now powercrept?
How do I get the Tennessee? I completed the 5 Leyte mission branches.
I'm finishing up Battle off Samar now. I think you get it when the event ends. I hope.
Also, the sixth mission drops Thursday. Leyte Gulf isn't finished, or over, and is available until 11/27.
If I understand correctly, one of the missions' reward is unlocking the ability to buy Enterprise and it doesn't count towards Tenessee progress. The last mission set that is unlocked on 7th will count.
I like these ships, they are clumsy, squishy and inaccurate, but they are FUN.
Most nimble bb in TX and you call it clumsy, have you even played it?
Good morning sir
Were we not suppose to get a-sync battle mode this patch? Imagine the numbers if we had that game mode and the Libertad . . .
Will the special commander be available in the future? for coal?
So how do you get the special commander now?
Need to wait and get him with Coal i guess, but not 100% Sure. Or maybe you will need to Buy containers or something.
@@matthewpowell9743 What he said. We hope the containers with puzzle pieces will be available for coal later. They currently are not.
Maybe it's just me, but on Asia the t9 just doesn't work as well as the t8 did. MM has not been kind for sure and pushing is much more doable at the lower tiers.
These ships are not "OP", people just did not adapt to the new threat in games. A Libertad is easy to kill. All you need is a secondary Mecklenburg 😉
Ipiranga, Los Andes and the Libertad are "Passive Defense Line Breaker" and "Cap Contester"
The Libertad with its huge deck area (compared to the Los Andes and Ipiranga) is easy to hit, even when it is very maneuverable. Ipiranga and Los Andes are beasts, WHEN you let them as enemy.
Personally I perform best in the Los Andes, even with a normal commander and it also has the highest "potential damage rate" of all my ships, with over 1.8 million average (Pommern, G.K., Preussen, Meckle, all these ships are average around 1.4-1.5 million all of them played as brawler) AND the Los Andes got also 20% average damage more than my Libertad.
You know you are tanky, when you are broadside to a Satsuma within 20 km, get a full set of 6 shells (bundled so small you couldnt see a gap betwenn the shells) fully into the broadside and take only full pens instead of any citadel damage...
Ipiranga and Libertad can't take that, the Los Andes can.
But these ships die really quick if you send them "all in" while the enemy can crossfire you to oblivion.
I'm going to be honest, Los Andes is funnier than Libertad, I don't really know why, but that's my feeling, the t10 didn't like me so much, I don't like the turret angles, the secondary angles, and the armor layout, I think that Los Andes has a better distribution and armor layout than Libertad, so maybe i am the only one.
tier for tier los andes is probably better, also the armour layout is hard to work out, it might be better or could be worse?
@tahiribnmohammad5410 maybe, it depends on the match, but thx for your answer, I thought I was the only one who thought that
When will the commander enter the store? I didn't redeem enough boxes to get him sadly
you will eventually be able to buy crates for coal, and gte the all the jigsaw peices you need, you might have to wait a few months though
Secondary ships are so annoying that they are usually focus fired and killed first. Let's keep that as a habit...
I'm getting an average of 120k in the Los Andes, I do not have the Special commander
Sniper players can't hide at the back anymore.
Love the vids!! Keep up the amazing work❤❤
I work during poll hours today. So I voted early in person on Friday!
I missed the commander by a little bit since I wasn't interested in playing. Can you still get him?
Possibly yes, the event container will evetually be available in arsenal in the future
@@lauroichihara Ah okay so I just have to wait and hope. Thank you
They aren’t really busted or anything but the maneuverability is insane! These things handle like dd’s, that is what needs to be nerfed. The secondary’s and main battery to me seem fine. I have no issue dealing with libertads in randoms.
press F for respect
I lost 8k hp in 0.2 seconds in an ITA DD at 6km away from the Los Andes,. Was dumb of me to be that close? Yes but I shouldn't get insta deleted by secondaries , I was.legit smacked by all the 234s at once
no way in 0.2 seconds
@rommel8433 I stuck up on with speed and exhaust smoke to torp it, game was other we won regardless if I die
Come out of my smoke at an angle to launch all my torps , dead in 0.2 seconds, or maybe 2 seconds, dead very quickly though
@@rommel8433it just means all secondaries fire once at the same time
Never would i ever think, a surface ship would be on the same level of cancer as Subs CVs.
I genuinely can’t stand this line.
You virtually can't go in to a random, ranked, or brawl without 1 or 2 of these ships in the match. That tells you a lot about how good they are. Saying that, they are not that hard to destroy in most situations
You just need to play around them. Keep your distance, particularly if you are a DD. The annoying thing though, is the secondaries on this ship have a longer range than most DD torpedos.
I mean there were probably a ton of people, like myself, who got the t8 from the battle pass and were just waiting for release to grind the next 2 tiers.
@@jackcasse you nailed it.
Because it was released very recently and most players want to try it but don’t know how to play them correctly. But when it’s well played, you can clearly push an entire flank alone and smash all enemy BBs and cruisers, especially with T9 and T10
Wow, a brawling Captain defending the King of Brawlers; I'm shocked! The ships are OP, and will most likely be nerfed sometime around spring or summer, as WG does nothing quickly.
If WG keeps its normal track they will nerf them as soon as I get to them.
It’s fine where it’s at. It’s a brawler.. it’s guns are not good at range.. if you want to have a balanced meta than WG did the right thing by making a ship that can do just this.. brawl..
I think they should buff germans…. Now they are not the best at anything, they should buff weapons accuracy
Libertad has not dethroned Burgoegne. Libertad has 17k battles played compared to the latters 1M games played 😂
Without the special commander these secondaries feel mediocre to me.
Please educate me on which ships the special commanders are for.
Every single one, you decide where you put your commander @@RUHappyATM
@@RUHappyATMgood for Pan American tech tree ships and some premiums. Although we have limited pool of premium Pan-Am ships that have F button so you mostly have to choose between San Martin or Libertad.
Are you still able to get the one for these ships?
Are you still able to get the Pan Commander?
in pleb hand this Ship is broken just because AI driven gun and 60s improve Repair party with little to none super structure.
I keep running out of heals with her.
Schlieffen does not have a spotter plane
So I’m gonna have to disagree with you. You present it like it’s a popularity issue, but they are very overpowered. We have seen plenty of new lines with little fan fare. I didn’t hear grumbles about the European cruiser line. The new French DD line, we had the community nervous( because of original did line is broken) but that passed quickly. It’s more than the new flavor of the month. It’s power creep at its worst. At least it’s making more people push, my yue Yang is happy about this.
I actually voted a month ago, not that it mattered.
Dude in chat cos playing as a carrot. ..........
Cruise hard life, now DD same situation.. solution : change the game name to World of Battleship
They are only broken with the super commander. Otherwise they are upper-mid
Dont know about T10, but Ipiranga is trash. Los Andes is better, but basically just way less armored Pommern with better mobility. Pommern is overall better
Your preferences are your own, but that is just objectively false. It is not way less armored. Other than laking an icebreaker, their armor is generally better than Pommern. Not to mention being smaller ships in general. Their secondaries are far better with better base accuracy and pen than Pommern without funny button. Their is a reason every content creator calls the line OP, and it isn't only for clicks. You're free to not like them even if they are OP, of course.
@@havilend3450 its huge and very long ship. You seems to not understand what u are talking about
@ReDiR20 You're just wrong. Ipiranga is 262m long. Pommern is 278m. Ipiranga beam 29.1, Pom 37. Ipiranga is significantly smaller than Pommern.
easily the best t10 in the game, of any class
Honestly you have be a unicum level of player to appreciate how strong it is
Amazing armour, amazing secondaries, great dancer, very good heal. heals 20% more than normal heals, you can heal back much more citael and pen damage, and the cool down is only 60 seconds. Means you can use multiple heals fully.
Like the armour is better than Kremlins , you can go broadside and not take cits even at 15km. The armour is incased in 51mm lmao, so smashes a lot of cruiser HE
I do agree that we do want more brawling, so I hope they dont nerf it.
Aslong as you position yourself well, you can easily get 150k. This is a ship an average player can have multiple 250k games
This ship is more broken than when Conde came out
@@tahiribnmohammad5410 better armor than Kremlin is a BOLD take
I'll add to SeaLords calling out of bold takes here with "easily the best T10 in the game" and "You have to be unicum to appreciate how strong it is" while among unicum players, she's really not doing so hot are also some fairly bold takes. Let's put some numbers to this of only accounts with 60% win rate or higher over just the last update(last 3 wouldn't be a fair comparison as she's not been in game for 3 updates yet):
EU server - Libertad is number 2 for average damage, number 2 for win rate. EU server also from personal experience has a lot more potatoes to farm and a less passive meta because of this.
NA server - she is 16th for average damage and 11th for win rate. Again personal experience, NA players on average are more skilled.
Asia server - she is 18th for average damage and 9th for win rate. I have no personal experience on Asia, but I've heard it's very aircraft focused.
Now lets compare to Bungo:
EU server - 3rd for average damage, 9th on win rate.
NA server - 2nd for average damage, 5th on win rate.
Asia server - 7th for average damage, 3rd on win rate.
How about Cristoforo Colombo:
EU server - 1st for average damage, 8th for win rate
NA server - 1st for average damage, 1st for win rate
Asia server - 2nd for average damage, 7th for win rate.
Now lets look at the number of players and battles keeping in mind these are just accounts with 60% OR MORE average win rate aka unicum players,
EU - Libertad: 52 players 1031 battles. Bungo: 364 players 2220 battles. Cris Colombo 615 players 5425 battles.
NA - Libertad: 27 players 305 battles. Bungo 211 players 1333 battles. Cris Colombo 378 players 4664 battles.
Asia - Libertad: 19 players 164 battles. Bungo 263 players 1573 battles. Cris Colombo 545 players 6145 battles.
So with the fewest battles, Libertad is only looking good on the EU server where it's easier to farm high damage and the meta is a lot less passive to begin with, and even then still isn't number 1 on any server. Meanwhile Bungo and CColombo are consistently top 10 on every server.
Ive found the Atlantico to be better for me, especially in tier 8 brawls
Same here, Atlantico is a real battleship with good armor.
wow i am very suprised to hear that. Atlantico over Ipiringa ... guys are you mad ? Atlantico secondaries are ALWAYS broken, Atlantico in comparison to Ipiringa has no mobility (Ipiringa turns soo fast). for me this is very different. Ipiringa FOR ME is way way better.
Most people i see playing these are exactly the same people who play German BBs cluelessly. They will rush at the start of the game in a braindead way, get focussed and die. The ships arent the problem, the people playing those ships are.
I'm a blitz player, and the atletico ruins tier 8. When this comes out it's going to ruin tier 9 and 10
But to be fair the atlantico is op in blitz because they keep sticking it in crates with a 0.05% drop rate and in sonar slot machine.
yeah but these are stats when basically only old pro players willing to buy the los and liber give it 6+ months from now when the normies have them to and see how it is.
right now a disproportianately experinced sector of the players is diving them and they are the least well known so people dont counter correctly.
And I see a lot of divisions with more the 1 of them, they should limit the divisions like ranked limits
But API is busted! The stats are swiss cheese and incoherently applied over the various patches. Only WG has the true stats.
Like everyone else, I got the Ipiranga during the event. It's a mediocre to bad ship. Guns are like a T5 BB rather than T8, in terms of accuracy. The secondary gimmick isn't all that special. I don't own any other Pan-Am BB.
For the first time i disagree with you. The Canons are below mediocre level (dispersion and alpha) and you rely mostly on thr ship's speed and secondaries...
and the Schlieffen still has better secs overall 🤣🤣
and no ... the Libertad does not do better in secs then Schlieffen even with the noob botton 🤣🤣
just wait for the mighty nerf hammer which will nerf them so hard that most ppl wont play them anymore xD
If people dont believe its OP, they are. All of them. Iparanga is like a t9 Schliffen. Los Andes is like a Schliffen t10. The Libertad is a t12 schliffen. But is this not what we want. Brawlers to brawl and get in close rather then spam sniping shells from 25km.
I mean a lot of the people who don't see them as overpowered would rather look at data than judge things based on feelings. The only one of them that is performing well on average based on global stats is Los Andes, and that could very well change over the next few updates as more players get into her.
Another group is likely Asia server players, as universally every one of the Pan-American BBs are performing like hot garbage over there. Though their AA is just okay, and Asia has a lot of CV/hybrid players. NA they aren't doing so hot ether, but we have a lot more passive of a meta. Really the only server they are all doing at least okay on is EU, but EU is less passive, so in general brawlers do better over there. Also larger server size leading to more potato players to farm.
Good job SLM telling people to vote! All my fellow Americans, go vote!
I dont think they are OP, they have a moment of shine .
Do u feel this ship is OP? Or u just one of those passive sniper bastards who like to linger back rather than soaking damage as ur fucking boat meant to be… well I hope they only buffing these bastards to shift the DEAD high tier meta.
Sir GK is my most played ship
That's not what is broken
Libertad is a strong brawler, but far from a broken ship. The internet folk as always, are hyperbolic in their opinions. Given time, those winrates numbers will fall like any other ship. Sealord, my brother, the funny button it doesn't increase HE penetration, it just increases alpha damage.
These ships are needed and more like them need to be created to shift the meta from island hiding and passive play!
WG just made the Schlieffen line obsolete with the release of these ships !!!
not really, Schlieffen still better this this.
No its not
Nope, the Schlieffen has sonar so they hit that and can turn without a worry about taking torps. and you have to wait to fill the F key b4 it's better than the Schlieffen, and then only 30 sec.
Mmmmm, nope
@@sirfrydryk360 And torps
You're a week late. they been out for a week sir.
DD's can take out 2 full health BB's with their op torps. High dpm cruisers can melt any BB from over 15km with their insane reload rate. Subs with laser guided torps. BBs are the weakest class in the game. About time, they recei ed some se ondaries to counter op destroyers and cruisers.
I'm sick of seeing these stupid ass paper ships that require almost no skill to play. I'm going to play CV's and subs a lot more just to make the people who play these stupid ships lives hell.
It’s op.
Too much fun? Nerf it! Make it another pig now!