Come on, that's a broad statement. It's ALWAYS wrong to hurt a child, but there are different levels of hurting someone. Then there's postpartum depression along with myriad other mental illnesses....and situations that we are not in. Trust me, I'm all for prison and long sentences for harming someone, but the level of violence and the situation surrounding what happened matters. But not with any of these women They should be in prison for life
@@lorielmore7194I've always said it, if they're not gonna spend the rest of their lives in prison, they shouldn't be allowed to breed. Automatic hysterectomy/vasectomy
The pastor in the second one did not have a command of the Bible. He was a bully and a liar. Postpartum psychosis is real and a real pastor would have helped this woman to receive the help she desperately needed. Horrible! (I know because I lived it.) And she should have NEVER been allowed to be with her children without her medication.
in the first story, i'm just mind blown as to why the father didn't involve himself in the lives of the kids after leaving. like bro, leave the woman, ok fine. but why the kids too? or i'm sure she wouldn't have objected to sending them off with dad. what a joke. both parties are guilty in my eyes. it's the parent's job to protect their kids, even from the other parent. he failed them. it was obvious before he left, the lady had some issues and was overwhelmed. i blame them both.
Absolutely. One rarely hears of a woman abandoning her children as well as a partner. Men far more often seem to give themselves a reset button and abandon their previous responsibilities entirely.
unfortunately for some of the kids involved, !he women make it near impossible for the men to be a part of the kids lives. Sometimes I guess they come to the conclusion that they cant deal with the ex anymore...and I can appreciate that, for sure.
@@truecrimequeen75Sometimes that’s the case. But often the men just don’t want the responsibility. Some women go out of their way to bring the kid to the fathers and they can’t be bothered even then. People should really stop having kids they don’t want as well as having kids with whoever they’re with at the moment- I mean that concerning both parties.
@@truecrimequeen75 can't disagree with that, seen it too many times in real life. And some of us like to alienate the kids from the absent parent. Turning them against the parent by making them believe their other parent doesn't care and isn't a resource.
8 months pregnant and lied to and then left. Thats rough. Doesnt make what she did any less gross, but what a horrific man also out there living his best life while his kids suffer.
Yes. I was told he shouldn't have to pay support because children don't have bills! Not so much as a pencil for school. But he was buying himself leather jackets, expensive shoes, new cars, etc. And show up late, when he showed up , and wearing his new stuff. Pathetic! My sacrifices and teaching by buying the gifts for my children to give him, helped give them a chance to share time and have relationships with their Dad. Now they see. But it was hard!
the actress playing Deena is phenomenal. Not over the top. her face changed. like seriously for a reenactment, she was spot on playing a psychotic mom. She took the life out of her eyes even. Well done, madame! lol so sad that it's a heartbreaking story and we have learned NOTHING. we continue to not help moms in this state then deem them evil because we feel guilt for not protecting their kids at all.
And what do you suggest could've been done by outsiders to "help" these wicked women, case by case, from committing these heinous acts against their own children?
@@roseaduke8835Good post partum care. Let’s follow through, medical professionals. Giving birth makes one post partum, not a “mother.” A wedding does not make one a wife/husband any more than a birth make one a “mother.” PPD is a serious and not uncommon post partum sequel. Let’s give this the serious response it requires.
These cases are very upsetting & disturbing to think a mother would do this especially Jemma! Parole for her? The cruelty to that healthy innocent baby left by the sea is the epitome of diabolical evil. 😡
I have 3 kids and I have NO idea. What I would do without them. Money never came easy for us, but it didn't matter. We had a roof food and clean clothes. To hurt them never ever crossed my mind.
There's a documentary called Dear Zachary and its the saddest, most infuriating case ive ever come across involving a baby with a phsycotic mother. I'm tearing up just thinking about it 😢
Women if you don’t want children don’t have them, don’t give in to society’s pressure to reproduce if you don’t want to. Be brave enough to let someone who wants children to raise yours if you realize you’re not cut out for it.
Well that's exactly why I didn't have kids. I knew I wasn't mentally stable enough. After going through everything I've gone through, I knew I was not cut out for motherhood. That being said, it's also up to the men to not release inside of women that they know they don't want to stay with, who they don't want to be the mother of their children. Both sides are responsible. If a man knows he cannot be a protector and a provider or, and a woman know she cannot be a protector in a nurturer; they need to do everything possible to avoid procreation.
Agreed. People always trying to make me feel bad bc I don't have kids. I've always known I don't have the patience to be a mother. The truth is there are a lot of mothers that feel the same way I do but they have kids anyway.
@@JG_SmileSOBright AMEN. Honestly the people Who try to make you feel bad, are people who just cannot have identities outside of their parenthood, children, or the children that they are using for their narcissistic supply. I wish people would go as hard in on abusers of children, as they do us child free by choice women.
The last Gemma Australia was denied parole on 3rd Dec 2023. So pleased with the board. It would have been easy to get her child fostered or given to her mum. She wanted to punish Eddy. A Sociopath narcissist
She wanted to be with Eddie. Giving the child to someone else wouldn't work because Eddie still would be in that child's life, taking the attention that she wanted from her
What’s astonishing to me is that the Dec 2023 parole hearing was her second one. The article I read said she gets to go back next year, so apparently she gets a chance at release every year.
I live in Australia and have never heard of this case about little Cadence and she is up for parole.. I’ve birthed 4 children and I can’t believe somebody would harm their own babies. Very sad for the families loss .
you know i am Australian tooand i had never heard of that story ...given the absolute horror of it all i am surprised it wasnt more covered in the media
it's not free for many people, at 18 mine was 80$ without insurance, and abortion is becoming more restricted so this will become much more commonplace and it already has@@LotusFlowerslove
@@denise6622The thing is, she WAS given adequate care... She stopped taking the medication because of religion. You can't force someone into a mental hospital.
Just 13 years for killing her own baby, that sentence is a joke. Drug dealers get more severe punishment than that. Is the life of a baby worth so less?
Yeah , because those women troubled the men beyond what they could take. Just have to leave everything and go. Ofcourse you don't see that part of the story in these episodes.
@@tradingwizard562 but why not fight for the kids? It seemed the one guy didn't care about leaving his kids behind. Dude could've tried to fight for custody.
I just did a bit of research. He was old enough to be her father and in fact, when she started dating him, he was already married with children. You lose them how you get them. That’s karma and basic common sense.
@@kristinaproctor6429 Lol You can edit any of your old comments by clicking on the 3 grey dots, in your comment, which opens a small window. Click "edit", fix your comment, then click the "send" button. Done! 😊 👏🇨🇦
For real. I have a 3 year old boy that is autistic and doesn’t sleep more than 4 hours in a 24 hour period. He’s too young for medication. I’ve been so tired at times I’d just scream and cry. But I always went in another room and came back to try and soothe him. He was 6 weeks early, had horrible acid reflux. Very colicky. And I never ever ever ever once wanted to hurt him. I have a plethora of mental issues and after I had him i immediately made sure I had therapy lined up. But Covid happened. I had no help. My husband owns a business and works 12-15 hour days. Luckily on the weekends he’d let me sleep all day on Sunday’s. Having a support system is so important. I ONLY have his dad and I haven’t slept in 3 years but I still love that little boy. Even if he has 3-4 hour tantrums and only sleeps fours hours a night. 😂😂😂❤❤❤ I still love watching him grow and learning his personality and cues as he’s nonverbal. He can be mean but he is sooooo funny. A laugh that will melt your heart. My miracle 💛
I would disagree with that . They’re not responsible for the actions of someone else . Granted they should have done more . However let’s be honest here . That’s half the problem with society today everything is the man’s fault . That’s hogwash. The women in these stories made their own choices . For which they are accountable.
I agree.... Dena's husband saw what was going on with his wife. He left those helpless kids with her. Yes she was mentally ill but it's up to those around her to keep the children safe. 👌
@@tawnie8550 What do you suggest he should have done? Judges always give the kids to the mum and he probably didn't want to start a bitter fight over the children. We don't know the details but surely nobody saw this coming. You're clever now with hindsight but I truly wonder, what do you think he should have done?
Yes our laws can be pretty shocking, having said that as a fellow Australian & have studied basic laws in social work, we were taught that Australian laws follow England laws & American laws aren’t much better. But you do have to remember which isn’t stated most the time is in Australia if someone does get a high sentence like 15-20yrs that is still based on the parole board, it’s not a straight out sentence where when they get to that 15-20yrs they just walk out, they have to present their case to a parole board to ask for parole & prove they’re not a risk to society & show some empathy towards what they’ve done. We never give out so called life sentences in Australia but that’s not to say people will get parole ever, people do spend their lives in jail sometimes. Also when they are finally able to apply for parole if they’re denied it’s usually years later that they’re even able to apply again as it’s a big process
@@honeybee1852~ America is different, because unless they are sentenced in a federal court, it all depends upon each state's laws. The lenient states are usually very liberal. While the conservative states give harsher sentences, including the death penalty...
Ellen's husband was a loser, but she is a loser and evil. She worked two jobs, not to provide for the children, but to feed her addiction. If she worked two jobs and partied in her free time, that means she spent zero to no time with the children. Her friend excuses her behavior because her addiction brought her "joy". I'm sorry children come first and foremost. You care and provide for them first and the "fun" comes later--- not at their expense.
In the second story, the father should be ashamed of himself. He left the baby alone, knowing his wife's mental state. That poor baby, suffered so much. I can't even imagine.
Gemma Killeen has been denied parole after she was jailed for the death of her son in 2012. The now 35-year-old is eligible for parole but last month she met with the Review Board who, for a second time, denied her the opportunity of an early release.
I cannot even believe that she only has to serve a minimum of 13 years for making sure that her baby died. That is just nuts. What kind of judge oversaw this case,😡
Why is life insurance on underage children even a thing? I get it for adults, when you might want to have a back up plan for providing for dependents, elderly parents etc. but what in situation does one expect a young child to die unexpectedly? And what is the insurance money supposed to go towards?
I kept small life insurance policies on both my kids just in case something did happen then I would have enough for a burial. Thankfully I never had to use them.
The father in the first family should be in jail with her. The creep went and left them, knowing what was going on. He knew she couldn’t manage not taking away from what she done at all. It was horrific poor children.
@verabolton he fled a dangerous situation AND LEFT HIS DEFENSELESS CHILDREN BEHIND. CPS should have definitely gotten involved, especially after the first child passed away...but in all of this, where was dad? Running off to forget his responsibilities. He's no better than the mother. They're both monsters who didn't deserve their children.
No matter how much debt or stress u have I can't imagine even thinking for a second about killing my child!! I was on my own with three children when my ex left for another woman, my youngest was only 2 months old. We had just found out he had a heart condition. I had postnatal depression and was developing an eating disorder. All three of my children have autism and my 2 older boys also have ADHD and not once through all this would I hurt my children. I would sometimes be in a heap crying on the floor but never hurt them! I love all four of my children with every bit of me and I can't understand these people.
15:02 I probably shouldn’t say this but speaking as a mother this “woman” should never have taken another breath. Killing a child is awful enough but for greed?! 🤬
I've looked at this case of Dena, The father in his fashion contributed to what befell the family. He was passively delusional and allowed the teachings of a nutty cleric to play a factor in his mentally fragile wife. Sometimes I wonder about holier than thou households where the Lord is just an excuse. I have questions but no real answers. May all these children seen in this particular episode rest in peace.
I’m a Christian myself and even I wonder that sometimes. I’m a devout Catholic, but my mind is very rational and I absolutely refuse to harm another human being.
@@Powerranger-le4upwell that’s nice. Normal people don’t even consider abusing their kids or harming anyone in any way. That you have to refer to your religiosity as a deterrent to child abuse is pretty horrifying in more ways than you’d ever comprehend.
The first case was too much for me. I’m in debt and raising my two nieces ages 9 and 5, and my 2 year old nephew who were victims of abuse and neglect by their mother. I’m kind of a bitter person, I don’t like children, I love getting locked in my room and not come out for hrs, that was until I got custody of the kids. It is very hard at 23 years old waking up with such responsibilities over night and having to care for kids, it’s tough for all of us but every night I put them to sleep my heart melts, I know it’s all worth it and I get over any negative feelings, I love those kids. I can’t even fathom or comprehend how could a MOTHER, someone who carried each baby inside her, she went through pain when giving birth, the kids are an extension of her, how could she do that, specially when they’re sleeping and they’re most vulnerable and specially over MONEY. Now that beautiful young girl has not only lost her father, but her mother and brothers. I just can’t 😣
How could the father leave their child in her hands when he knew that his wife was sick and wasn’t taking her medicine The father just as blame as her because I know that he has family members that would have watch that baby better than his wife RIP 🪦 POOR BABY
He might have not know that she stopped. But I agree it was his duty to get his wife the care she needed and his duty to protect his children. She herself needed supervision. Those children needed someone besides their mom as a caregiver. Sadly it is so hard to get people committed against their will.
@@blazefairchild465 as a mental health professional I have to say that I agree. The medication often doesn’t end the illness entirely and this is why you see people not taking medication when they need it
5:05: “Don’t worry mom…I’m planning for one of them to marry me…” Flash forward 30 seconds to her screaming like a loon at a high-school wrestling practice. This case is TOO tragic to be portrayed so comedic.
These deadly women episodes are really blowing my mind away, most women I know aren’t crazy in the head. I’m so grateful of the women in my bloodline, all strong and loving
Dina made the choise not to take her medication. Having 3 young children this is a selfish act. She bares the responsibility for her choice. And the father deserves no respect for not protecting his children.
This reminds me of another woman suffering post partum psychosis. The woman who drowned her 5 children. She was also a member of one of these cultish Christian groups in Texas. Her husband and pastor knew she was suffering, but insisted jesus would cure her. The husband kept wanting to father more children. She will spend life paying for this tragic crime. Her husband remarried and started another family. He belonged in a cell with the pastor.
I'm an only child, my parents divorced when i was 12...mom moved out when i was 15, i lived by myself...divorce decree didn't allow her to sell house til i turned 18..for sale sign in the yard on my 18th birthday...she had not cooked for me for years...1st meal she made after house sold, she brought it to my work..instantly after finishing, violently sick..everything spinning, everything blurry, about to pass out...co worker called ambulance @ER Dr. asked if i was trying to hurt myself...never ate her food again, finally stopped seeing her @all in 20 years...
EXTREMELY SAD DOCUMENTARY...!!! BUT WHY ARE THE SENTENCES SO LOW FOR TAKING AN INNOCENT DEFENCELESS!ITTLE CHILS LIFE ??? 6 YEARS PATHTIC, 8 YEARS PATHETIC AND 13 YEARS PATHETIC ... AND TO CALL THEM LIFE SENTENCES !! ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL AND STOMACH CHURNING FROM THE WAR OLD JUDGES !!! RIP LITTLE ONES ❤❤❤
I think majority of child Ab*se cases stem from fathers leaving, and not being present or fighting for their kids. These mothers begin to despise and resent their children because of the father being absent. We see so many cases where a child has been murdered and the dad wants to pop out of the bushes and cry a river. Saying the mother did “allow” contact or ignore calls and visits - but a real man knows they can use the court system to their advantage. And they don’t.
Where was the father in all this? Had he completely abandoned his children for the other woman??? How anyone could knowingly hurt a child is unfathomable, whether it's your child or not.
Though every story was sad but the last one really got to me. How do you sleep at night knowing you left your child to die such a horrific death. Bless all these babies
Candace thinks dad's don't leave pregnant women very often. Oh yes they do. My mom had 2 toddlers & a bun in the oven. My Pops left us for a teenager in another state. He left her too. He left everyone eventually.
"Very few men leave a woman who's pregnant" I guess 'my boyfriend' is among the few. He has left me at 41 weeks. I hope I ain't gonna end up on any of these episodes.
Concerning Dana, mental health authorities were Fully aware of Her diagnosis, psychosis. So, why on earth was She left to her own devices. A new rule should be, thay' when someone stops taking their medication. & it turns them 'crazy again', then there should be sent back to the mental asylum. Simple as.. Problem.Solved.
You obviously haven't had pre teens-teens!! ...when your boys get to that age their father goes back to that age too!! 😂😂😂 well am I right or am I right!! 😂😂...even I remember loving Saturday afternoon Wrestling here in The UK in the 70's!!! Before WWE ❤
I know a family of women who were all obsessed with wrestling even one of them traveled around the country as a wrestling groupie. She always said she would marry one ,well she’s 55 now & never married now she just works & goes bowling.
I think the only life insurance for a child should be for the amount it may cost for a funeral if anything happens....and payments from it should only be made to the funeral directors after.....
😭😭😭 precious souls. Why didn't she just leave Kaden at the store or a fire station with his dad and vanish herself 😢 goodness what does her family think 🤔
In Ellen's case what I don't get is why she didn't just put them up for adoption once she was force to declare bankruptcy??? Seems like that would have been so easy for her especially since she didn't seem to care about them all that much anyway. I would have called cps myself and just said "look I can't give them the home they deserve would you please see to that they are taken care of because I just can't anymore" I would rather give my child/children up to cps and know they have a chance of being taken care of even knowing that it's not going to be me doing it. I will put my child up for adoption before I would ever willing have them living on the streets just so we could stay together.
This case about Ellen, her and the husband both had some serious mental health issues and no family or friends showed enough concern about them or the children they brought into the world. But funny how after the fact theyll come forward. Drs need to be trained to see the signs and make regular appointments to follow their mental health and report to protect the kids.
Doctors are responsible because she was not capable of making decisions but they were. Did CPS sleep there in shifts so that someone was always there protecting the children. And the children should not have been exposed to or forced to endure their mothers psychosis
After my third pregnancy I thought i was loosing my mind! The only way i could describe it was like a horrible, constant grey, while feeling like the boogie man was after me. But the worst of it was this constant guilty feeling for everything! It was just horrible. long story short i found out i have a thyroid issue. so when my hormones drop after pregnancy it sends it into craziness! i had this 2 out of 4 pregnancy. I have to say that I’m not sure what i would/could have done if the dr didn’t catch it almost by mistake. It’s hard to even put into words how awe full of it was.
I will never understand why parents don't give their children into other suitable environments if they can't or don't want to care of their kids. Killing those beautiful, innocents is just incomprehensible to me.
In some cases these women are suffering from Postpartum Psychosis. They are out of their minds and don't know it. They behave completely out of their normal personality. The have lost touch with reality! The need treatment and hospitalization....I know someone this happened to... Luckily her family realized early on that something was wrong with her and took her to the hospital, which admitted her immediately. She stayed in hospital for several months and they found a medication that controlled her thinking. Brought her back into reality. She/we were very, very lucky she got treatment before anything tragic happened to her precious little guy. It's easy to sit in judgement until something like this happens to someone very close to you.
@@lorienniss8711 Your friend was very lucky to have an amazing support system with friends and family. I am sorry if my comment offended and sounded judgemental. Have a nice day and all the best to your friend
Dina should not have had her children. She reminds me of Andrea Yates, though that case was even worse because she asked for help. That father is lucky he only left her alone with one child, or he may not have any. Postpartum Psychosis is no joke, it can be EXTREMELY fast onset and having any history of it is enough of a reason that doctors will allow you to have your tubes tied. These hunky dory husbands who don't take psychosis seriously aren't honouring G-d, they are PLAYING G-d. It is so tragic.
All children deserve to be raised in a loving home, but not all adults deserve to be parents.
I wasn’t prepared for how upsetting and disturbing this particular episode was. Those poor sweet children 😢
Same😢
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This one was hilarious!
Same, so hard to listen to. I can’t even imagine. These poor babies 😭
I think there should be a law,if your child is born. With drugs or drink SO LONG ..SOME O,NE WILL 😮LOVE IT
Anyone who hurts a child shouldn't be eligible for parole 😢😢
I’m not sure they even deserve to live.. but they definitely should never be paroled
Luckily she was denied again. Hopefully they keep her in there until at the very least she can no longer have children.
@@stephaniebach__12-24exactly true ,horrible and evil parents
Come on, that's a broad statement. It's ALWAYS wrong to hurt a child, but there are different levels of hurting someone.
Then there's postpartum depression along with myriad other mental illnesses....and situations that we are not in.
Trust me, I'm all for prison and long sentences for harming someone, but the level of violence and the situation surrounding what happened matters.
But not with any of these women They should be in prison for life
@@lorielmore7194I've always said it, if they're not gonna spend the rest of their lives in prison, they shouldn't be allowed to breed. Automatic hysterectomy/vasectomy
The pastor in the second one did not have a command of the Bible. He was a bully and a liar. Postpartum psychosis is real and a real pastor would have helped this woman to receive the help she desperately needed. Horrible! (I know because I lived it.) And she should have NEVER been allowed to be with her children without her medication.
Gemma Killeen(the Australian) has been denied parole twice as of this month(December 2023).
Pleased to hear it as 13 years for taking the life of an innocent baby Is a joke !! 😢
Thanks for this update. I was wondering if she had been paroled.
in the first story, i'm just mind blown as to why the father didn't involve himself in the lives of the kids after leaving. like bro, leave the woman, ok fine. but why the kids too? or i'm sure she wouldn't have objected to sending them off with dad. what a joke. both parties are guilty in my eyes. it's the parent's job to protect their kids, even from the other parent. he failed them. it was obvious before he left, the lady had some issues and was overwhelmed. i blame them both.
Absolutely. One rarely hears of a woman abandoning her children as well as a partner. Men far more often seem to give themselves a reset button and abandon their previous responsibilities entirely.
unfortunately for some of the kids involved, !he women make it near impossible for the men to be a part of the kids lives. Sometimes I guess they come to the conclusion that they cant deal with the ex anymore...and I can appreciate that, for sure.
@@truecrimequeen75Sometimes that’s the case. But often the men just don’t want the responsibility. Some women go out of their way to bring the kid to the fathers and they can’t be bothered even then. People should really stop having kids they don’t want as well as having kids with whoever they’re with at the moment- I mean that concerning both parties.
@@truecrimequeen75 can't disagree with that, seen it too many times in real life. And some of us like to alienate the kids from the absent parent. Turning them against the parent by making them believe their other parent doesn't care and isn't a resource.
Exactly
8 months pregnant and lied to and then left. Thats rough. Doesnt make what she did any less gross, but what a horrific man also out there living his best life while his kids suffer.
I agree. These men leaving their kids are wimps.
Yes. I was told he shouldn't have to pay support because children don't have bills! Not so much as a pencil for school. But he was buying himself leather jackets, expensive shoes, new cars, etc. And show up late, when he showed up , and wearing his new stuff. Pathetic! My sacrifices and teaching by buying the gifts for my children to give him, helped give them a chance to share time and have relationships with their Dad. Now they see. But it was hard!
the actress playing Deena is phenomenal. Not over the top. her face changed. like seriously for a reenactment, she was spot on playing a psychotic mom. She took the life out of her eyes even. Well done, madame! lol so sad that it's a heartbreaking story and we have learned NOTHING. we continue to not help moms in this state then deem them evil because we feel guilt for not protecting their kids at all.
Truth!
Absolutely! She was AWESOME. TOTALLY owned her role!
And what do you suggest could've been done by outsiders to "help" these wicked women, case by case, from committing these heinous acts against their own children?
That story made me sick that poor poor baby girl 😭
@@roseaduke8835Good post partum care. Let’s follow through, medical professionals. Giving birth makes one post partum, not a “mother.” A wedding does not make one a wife/husband any more than a birth make one a “mother.”
PPD is a serious and not uncommon post partum sequel. Let’s give this the serious response it requires.
All kids deserve parents but not all parents deserve kids
Absolutely agrees
Agree
I agree as well
Exactly
100% agree
Think leaving a baby to be swept away by the tide because she literally just didnt want him is one of the most horrific things ive heard.
its just so cruel and sadistic ...truly i couldnt do that even with a gun pointed at my head
These cases are very upsetting & disturbing to think a mother would do this especially Jemma! Parole for her? The cruelty to that healthy innocent baby left by the sea is the epitome of diabolical evil. 😡
The Devil lives in her....can't imagine what the baby went through, evil, cruel and heart breaking
YES, it is. Heartbreaking
I have 3 kids and I have NO idea. What I would do without them. Money never came easy for us, but it didn't matter. We had a roof food and clean clothes. To hurt them never ever crossed my mind.
😢😢so sad.
There's a documentary called Dear Zachary and its the saddest, most infuriating case ive ever come across involving a baby with a phsycotic mother. I'm tearing up just thinking about it 😢
Women if you don’t want children don’t have them, don’t give in to society’s pressure to reproduce if you don’t want to. Be brave enough to let someone who wants children to raise yours if you realize you’re not cut out for it.
It took a man to make those babies too and one of them left his pregnant wife, so where was his responsibility?
Well that's exactly why I didn't have kids. I knew I wasn't mentally stable enough. After going through everything I've gone through, I knew I was not cut out for motherhood. That being said, it's also up to the men to not release inside of women that they know they don't want to stay with, who they don't want to be the mother of their children. Both sides are responsible. If a man knows he cannot be a protector and a provider or, and a woman know she cannot be a protector in a nurturer; they need to do everything possible to avoid procreation.
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Agreed. People always trying to make me feel bad bc I don't have kids. I've always known I don't have the patience to be a mother. The truth is there are a lot of mothers that feel the same way I do but they have kids anyway.
@@JG_SmileSOBright AMEN. Honestly the people Who try to make you feel bad, are people who just cannot have identities outside of their parenthood, children, or the children that they are using for their narcissistic supply. I wish people would go as hard in on abusers of children, as they do us child free by choice women.
The last Gemma Australia was denied parole on 3rd Dec 2023. So pleased with the board.
It would have been easy to get her child fostered or given to her mum.
She wanted to punish Eddy.
A Sociopath narcissist
I was hoping she wasn't out! Thanks for the update.
She wanted to be with Eddie. Giving the child to someone else wouldn't work because Eddie still would be in that child's life, taking the attention that she wanted from her
Australia is way to lenient on criminals in my opinion.
What’s astonishing to me is that the Dec 2023 parole hearing was her second one. The article I read said she gets to go back next year, so apparently she gets a chance at release every year.
@@gabe_2544let’s hope they keep denying it !
I can’t wrap my mind around putting a toddler into dangerous waters like that. Just truly sad.
Not just sad, pure evil.
I live in Australia and have never heard of this case about little Cadence and she is up for parole..
I’ve birthed 4 children and I can’t believe somebody would harm their own babies. Very sad for the families loss .
you know i am Australian tooand i had never heard of that story ...given the absolute horror of it all i am surprised it wasnt more covered in the media
Just wow 😢I haven't heard of it either 😳
Try ❤to remember some of these women were totallly psychotic. Out of her mind. As Candace says.
Stop reproducing!
Those innocent babies. Some people should not be parents.
it's not free for many people, at 18 mine was 80$ without insurance, and abortion is becoming more restricted so this will become much more commonplace and it already has@@LotusFlowerslove
I do agree with you on this but family members, doctors and the government should be able to identify certain mental illnesses too.
@@LotusFlowerslovein this case "she was out of her mind".
@@denise6622The thing is, she WAS given adequate care... She stopped taking the medication because of religion. You can't force someone into a mental hospital.
What's with Americans and religion.
Just 13 years for killing her own baby, that sentence is a joke. Drug dealers get more severe punishment than that. Is the life of a baby worth so less?
Life with a minimum 13 yrs. and she did not get paroled in 2023.
It's so sick that the father just left this woman to deal with their kids. She is a sick individual as well to just see her kids as dollar signs.
Yeah , because those women troubled the men beyond what they could take. Just have to leave everything and go. Ofcourse you don't see that part of the story in these episodes.
@@tradingwizard562 but why not fight for the kids? It seemed the one guy didn't care about leaving his kids behind. Dude could've tried to fight for custody.
@@tradingwizard562 yea we just saw at least 1 who walked away with nary a look at what his children would be living with. Revisit your statement.
The documentary might not be accurate regarding the husband and wife relationship.
I just did a bit of research. He was old enough to be her father and in fact, when she started dating him, he was already married with children. You lose them how you get them. That’s karma and basic common sense.
I wasn't ready for that... 😢 This episode really got to me. They couldn't tell for help they were so innocent....
Typo I meant yell for help.
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For real. I have a 3 year old boy that is autistic and doesn’t sleep more than 4 hours in a 24 hour period. He’s too young for medication. I’ve been so tired at times I’d just scream and cry.
But I always went in another room and came back to try and soothe him.
He was 6 weeks early, had horrible acid reflux. Very colicky. And I never ever ever ever once wanted to hurt him.
I have a plethora of mental issues and after I had him i immediately made sure I had therapy lined up.
But Covid happened. I had no help. My husband owns a business and works 12-15 hour days. Luckily on the weekends he’d let me sleep all day on Sunday’s. Having a support system is so important. I ONLY have his dad and I haven’t slept in 3 years but I still love that little boy. Even if he has 3-4 hour tantrums and only sleeps fours hours a night. 😂😂😂❤❤❤ I still love watching him grow and learning his personality and cues as he’s nonverbal. He can be mean but he is sooooo funny. A laugh that will melt your heart. My miracle 💛
Hold on. You deserve to live happy, and you will. One day your efforts and suffer will make sense in your life. Unconditionnal love is the only way.
Your testimony is a gift you made to yourself. Considere reaching for help if you need to, no shame. Love. Always.
@@fredericpicher1389 I’m a huge advocate for therapy!!!
He is old enough to have melatonin
@@awkwardautistic he does take melatonin now!!! Doctor approved as well!
This was just heartbreaking, baby's/children are innocent and cannot defend themselves. Poor little wee ones 😢.
This is so disturbing,those poor poor children,why have so many children when you can’t be bothered with them
“Nobody really knows what someone is thinking, Or Feeling!”
Oh my gosh what a true statement.
That’s why I fear humans so much.
The crime writer Ann Rule stated this in one of her books. You might think you know a person like you know yourself...but you don't.
The fathers who did nothing are 💯 % culpable for the horrific deaths of those children. They could have saved those angels
I would disagree with that . They’re not responsible for the actions of someone else . Granted they should have done more . However let’s be honest here . That’s half the problem with society today everything is the man’s fault . That’s hogwash. The women in these stories made their own choices . For which they are accountable.
Blame shifting at it's best 💯
I agree.... Dena's husband saw what was going on with his wife. He left those helpless kids with her. Yes she was mentally ill but it's up to those around her to keep the children safe. 👌
@@tawnie8550 What do you suggest he should have done? Judges always give the kids to the mum and he probably didn't want to start a bitter fight over the children. We don't know the details but surely nobody saw this coming. You're clever now with hindsight but I truly wonder, what do you think he should have done?
Men who don't want an angel around world have used precautions. 😐
that last story was so heartbreaking and as an Australian i am embarrassed by the sentencing laws we have ...she should never be released ...ever
Yes our laws can be pretty shocking, having said that as a fellow Australian & have studied basic laws in social work, we were taught that Australian laws follow England laws & American laws aren’t much better. But you do have to remember which isn’t stated most the time is in Australia if someone does get a high sentence like 15-20yrs that is still based on the parole board, it’s not a straight out sentence where when they get to that 15-20yrs they just walk out, they have to present their case to a parole board to ask for parole & prove they’re not a risk to society & show some empathy towards what they’ve done. We never give out so called life sentences in Australia but that’s not to say people will get parole ever, people do spend their lives in jail sometimes. Also when they are finally able to apply for parole if they’re denied it’s usually years later that they’re even able to apply again as it’s a big process
@honeybee1852 i believe Anita Cobbys murderers are held at the queens pleasure meaning life
@@honeybee1852~ America is different, because unless they are sentenced in a federal court, it all depends upon each state's laws.
The lenient states are usually very liberal. While the conservative states give harsher sentences, including the death penalty...
Gemma has been denied parole twice.
Ellen's husband was a loser, but she is a loser and evil. She worked two jobs, not to provide for the children, but to feed her addiction. If she worked two jobs and partied in her free time, that means she spent zero to no time with the children. Her friend excuses her behavior because her addiction brought her "joy". I'm sorry children come first and foremost. You care and provide for them first and the "fun" comes later--- not at their expense.
Excellent. Thanks for uploading. Lots out there but this is the best one I've seen.
In the second story, the father should be ashamed of himself. He left the baby alone, knowing his wife's mental state. That poor baby, suffered so much. I can't even imagine.
Really, not the dad in the 1st story?
In both stories.
so he was suppose to lose his job and go bankrupt?
No one who murders a child should get parole!!!!! 😡
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Gemma Killeen has been denied parole after she was jailed for the death of her son in 2012. The now 35-year-old is eligible for parole but last month she met with the Review Board who, for a second time, denied her the opportunity of an early release.
Oh well
We all deserve 2nd chances children are not everything
Period. No justice No peace. People will find out and she will not survive long on the streets
I cannot even believe that she only has to serve a minimum of 13 years for making sure that her baby died. That is just nuts. What kind of judge oversaw this case,😡
Why is life insurance on underage children even a thing? I get it for adults, when you might want to have a back up plan for providing for dependents, elderly parents etc. but what in situation does one expect a young child to die unexpectedly? And what is the insurance money supposed to go towards?
I kept small life insurance policies on both my kids just in case something did happen then I would have enough for a burial. Thankfully I never had to use them.
The father in the first family should be in jail with her. The creep went and left them, knowing what was going on. He knew she couldn’t manage not taking away from what she done at all. It was horrific poor children.
Jail for divorcing your wife? What the heck are you talking about???
@@veraboltonjail for abandoning his children in a dangerous situation.
@@drhfq ??? Basically you're admitting that he fled a dangerous situation. Where were the CPS???
@verabolton he fled a dangerous situation AND LEFT HIS DEFENSELESS CHILDREN BEHIND. CPS should have definitely gotten involved, especially after the first child passed away...but in all of this, where was dad? Running off to forget his responsibilities. He's no better than the mother. They're both monsters who didn't deserve their children.
@@drhfq You don't get it, do you?
Nobody should be jailed for a divorce. The sheer idea is idiotic.
All 3 of theses got to me it made me cry... rest in peace sweetheart's
These actors are amazing. I really enjoyed this one.
I thought the actors in the first episodes were absolutely awful.
No matter how much debt or stress u have I can't imagine even thinking for a second about killing my child!!
I was on my own with three children when my ex left for another woman, my youngest was only 2 months old. We had just found out he had a heart condition. I had postnatal depression and was developing an eating disorder. All three of my children have autism and my 2 older boys also have ADHD and not once through all this would I hurt my children. I would sometimes be in a heap crying on the floor but never hurt them! I love all four of my children with every bit of me and I can't understand these people.
15:02 I probably shouldn’t say this but speaking as a mother this “woman” should never have taken another breath. Killing a child is awful enough but for greed?! 🤬
It wasn't for greed. She was struggling to pay her bills.
@@cherylween4973 Not true she went shopping with the money
The mom in the first story is evil but the dad played in part in his teeth by not trying to fight for custody.
I've looked at this case of Dena, The father in his fashion contributed to what befell the family. He was passively delusional and allowed the teachings of a nutty cleric to play a factor in his mentally fragile wife. Sometimes I wonder about holier than thou households where the Lord is just an excuse. I have questions but no real answers. May all these children seen in this particular episode rest in peace.
I’m a Christian myself and even I wonder that sometimes. I’m a devout Catholic, but my mind is very rational and I absolutely refuse to harm another human being.
@@Powerranger-le4upwell that’s nice. Normal people don’t even consider abusing their kids or harming anyone in any way. That you have to refer to your religiosity as a deterrent to child abuse is pretty horrifying in more ways than you’d ever comprehend.
Thanks for uploads these episodes are great..keep em coming...👍👍👍🤗🤗
The first case was too much for me.
I’m in debt and raising my two nieces ages 9 and 5, and my 2 year old nephew who were victims of abuse and neglect by their mother. I’m kind of a bitter person, I don’t like children, I love getting locked in my room and not come out for hrs, that was until I got custody of the kids. It is very hard at 23 years old waking up with such responsibilities over night and having to care for kids, it’s tough for all of us but every night I put them to sleep my heart melts, I know it’s all worth it and I get over any negative feelings, I love those kids. I can’t even fathom or comprehend how could a MOTHER, someone who carried each baby inside her, she went through pain when giving birth, the kids are an extension of her, how could she do that, specially when they’re sleeping and they’re most vulnerable and specially over MONEY. Now that beautiful young girl has not only lost her father, but her mother and brothers. I just can’t 😣
*the kids are an extension of her*
No child is an extension of their parents.
How could the father leave their child in her hands when he knew that his wife was sick and wasn’t taking her medicine
The father just as blame as her because I know that he has family members that would have watch that baby better than his wife
RIP 🪦 POOR BABY
He might have not know that she stopped. But I agree it was his duty to get his wife the care she needed and his duty to protect his children. She herself needed supervision. Those children needed someone besides their mom as a caregiver. Sadly it is so hard to get people committed against their will.
Courts always favor moms for custody
If someone makes the choice to stop taking their meds then has a psychotic episode it seems like they should be held accountable.
I couldn't agree more
Only problem is they are mentally I’ll and don’t understand how bad they need the medication.
@@blazefairchild465 as a mental health professional I have to say that I agree. The medication often doesn’t end the illness entirely and this is why you see people not taking medication when they need it
Yes
It’s not a choice when your brain is not working and neither are the drugs. Don’t judge what you can not comprehend.
Oh my Goodness!!! How absolutely devastating, these were very hard to watch.
5:05: “Don’t worry mom…I’m planning for one of them to marry me…”
Flash forward 30 seconds to her screaming like a loon at a high-school wrestling practice.
This case is TOO tragic to be portrayed so comedic.
Actress please act like you’re having fun watching a wrestling match
Actress: wooOOOOOOAOAOAAAHHHH
Haha so funny 😂
Tell da same to da daughter's non-shocking screaming n dat tub 😂😂😂 🤟🤟🤟🗽🗽🗽🌃🌃🌃🌉🌉🌉
Now look miserable sorting through your overdue bills
Actress: OOOH. Woe is me!!
There Are far more Evil mothers out There....Most get away with it and look like saints!!
Don't let gemma out, EVER!
When you have children, your life revolves around them and nothing should take first place.
It hard to think that anyone would do things like this to a child let alone their parent
I watch this show all the time but I had to to turn this one off. Tears kept running down my face.
🥺 same
We have to some-x's stop watching certain clips within episodes or just fast forward the bits, we know may 'not' be nice.
Your opinion but. I'll still pass on this one. Thanks for sharing
It was hard for me too. Really became emotional. .
Post partum psychosis deaths are strictly due to negligence of everyone around a mother. Period.
These deadly women episodes are really blowing my mind away, most women I know aren’t crazy in the head. I’m so grateful of the women in my bloodline, all strong and loving
Well aren't you the lucky one 11:37
Dina made the choise not to take her medication. Having 3 young children this is a selfish act. She bares the responsibility for her choice. And the father deserves no respect for not protecting his children.
Its so unfair. Many women including me are struggling to have a baby and here they are ending innocent lives. 💔
This reminds me of another woman suffering post partum psychosis. The woman who drowned her 5 children. She was also a member of one of these cultish Christian groups in Texas. Her husband and pastor knew she was suffering, but insisted jesus would cure her. The husband kept wanting to father more children. She will spend life paying for this tragic crime. Her husband remarried and started another family. He belonged in a cell with the pastor.
Have they not heard of BIRTH CONTROL??? DUH...
That's not fool proof.
The father? You talking about condoms?
A reason to make birth control available easily and FREE
A close relative of mine was in jail at the same time as Jemma Killain - I saw her once when visiting. 🇦🇺
I'm an only child, my parents divorced when i was 12...mom moved out when i was 15, i lived by myself...divorce decree didn't allow her to sell house til i turned 18..for sale sign in the yard on my 18th birthday...she had not cooked for me for years...1st meal she made after house sold, she brought it to my work..instantly after finishing, violently sick..everything spinning, everything blurry, about to pass out...co worker called ambulance @ER Dr. asked if i was trying to hurt myself...never ate her food again, finally stopped seeing her @all in 20 years...
I'm so sorry.
What about your dad?
EXTREMELY SAD DOCUMENTARY...!!! BUT WHY ARE THE SENTENCES SO LOW FOR TAKING AN INNOCENT DEFENCELESS!ITTLE CHILS LIFE ??? 6 YEARS PATHTIC, 8 YEARS PATHETIC AND 13 YEARS PATHETIC ... AND TO CALL THEM LIFE SENTENCES !! ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL AND STOMACH CHURNING FROM THE WAR OLD JUDGES !!! RIP LITTLE ONES ❤❤❤
Absolutely shocking ain't it petty criminals get more 😒
They'll get an even shorter sentence for actually molesting them
I think majority of child Ab*se cases stem from fathers leaving, and not being present or fighting for their kids. These mothers begin to despise and resent their children because of the father being absent.
We see so many cases where a child has been murdered and the dad wants to pop out of the bushes and cry a river. Saying the mother did “allow” contact or ignore calls and visits - but a real man knows they can use the court system to their advantage. And they don’t.
Where was the father in all this? Had he completely abandoned his children for the other woman??? How anyone could knowingly hurt a child is unfathomable, whether it's your child or not.
Some people aren't met to be parents... I feel so disturbed and upset right now
This breaks my heart and angers me deeply.
Though every story was sad but the last one really got to me. How do you sleep at night knowing you left your child to die such a horrific death. Bless all these babies
Candace thinks dad's don't leave pregnant women very often. Oh yes they do. My mom had 2 toddlers & a bun in the oven. My Pops left us for a teenager in another state. He left her too. He left everyone eventually.
Hope your life worked out well despite all the things❤
That's heartbreaking. I hope you find healing. That's a very intense formative pain of rejection.
My daughters dad left me too when I was pregnant with her!
Why would life-insurance for kids even possible? And 3 deaths are still not enough for the police to suspect? That's crazy.....
My heart breaks for all of these children. I hope that these women were taken care of by the general population in prison.
How can you leave your baby on the beach, just to spite her boyfriend ?
I was listening to this, bobbing off and snoozing nicely on a Sunday evening…then just mental screaming, over and over! Disturbing wake up call! X
"Very few men leave a woman who's pregnant"
I guess 'my boyfriend' is among the few. He has left me at 41 weeks.
I hope I ain't gonna end up on any of these episodes.
Mine to and I was devastated! Now I’m so glad he left best thing that could have happened 😊
This is about a married woman and that's why y'all are str8. She was on a whole nother level. Be glad it's not you.
What do you mean I hope,it’s up to you to protect your children
your comment sounds very disturbing unless I have totally misinterpreted what you've written.
@@CammieInOzdefinitely disturbing 😳
Concerning Dana, mental health authorities were Fully aware of Her diagnosis, psychosis.
So, why on earth was She left to her own devices.
A new rule should be, thay' when someone stops taking their medication.
& it turns them 'crazy again', then there should be sent back to the mental asylum. Simple as.. Problem.Solved.
Why do children suffer so much 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 there is no excuse these so called mothers are evils
Love 💘 this show .
This Deena woman should have gotten life without parole
Wow DINA played a great acting job.
This is extremely disturbing .. I am in tears this episode is very heartbreaking
Literally crying 💔 poor babies 😭
in my opinion, i dont believe Jemma should get parole.
Why on earth would they do life insurance for children?! There’s no loss of income or anything like that??
Watching wrestling as a hobby is a bit odd… Being obsessed with watching wrestling is insane. 😂
I did a lot when I was 12 😂😂😂
Unless you have ever lived with a 12 year old boy, you wouldn’t understand how obsessed some people get with wresting! 😂
Nah, you’re the odd one. It’s why WWE exists 🤦🏽♀️ a whole channel dedicated to it. So odd
You obviously haven't had pre teens-teens!! ...when your boys get to that age their father goes back to that age too!! 😂😂😂 well am I right or am I right!! 😂😂...even I remember loving Saturday afternoon Wrestling here in The UK in the 70's!!! Before WWE ❤
I know a family of women who were all obsessed with wrestling even one of them traveled around the country as a wrestling groupie. She always said she would marry one ,well she’s 55 now & never married now she just works & goes bowling.
I think the only life insurance for a child should be for the amount it may cost for a funeral if anything happens....and payments from it should only be made to the funeral directors after.....
😭😭😭 precious souls. Why didn't she just leave Kaden at the store or a fire station with his dad and vanish herself 😢 goodness what does her family think 🤔
The fathers who did nothing are just as bad if not worse
IDC how hard life got, killing my children never once crossed my mind.
Why keep having children if you cant or wont meet their needs
The 1st story broke my heart poor baby 💔💔💔
This kind of mother is a monster,,how could she afford to end her own kids life,
If she didn’t want the kids she could’ve simply gave them up for adoption point-blank 😢
In Ellen's case what I don't get is why she didn't just put them up for adoption once she was force to declare bankruptcy??? Seems like that would have been so easy for her especially since she didn't seem to care about them all that much anyway. I would have called cps myself and just said "look I can't give them the home they deserve would you please see to that they are taken care of because I just can't anymore" I would rather give my child/children up to cps and know they have a chance of being taken care of even knowing that it's not going to be me doing it. I will put my child up for adoption before I would ever willing have them living on the streets just so we could stay together.
Every story is so sad 😢
The Husband had all the signs!!! He was totally BLIND!!
This case about Ellen, her and the husband both had some serious mental health issues and no family or friends showed enough concern about them or the children they brought into the world. But funny how after the fact theyll come forward. Drs need to be trained to see the signs and make regular appointments to follow their mental health and report to protect the kids.
Doctors are responsible because she was not capable of making decisions but they were. Did CPS sleep there in shifts so that someone was always there protecting the children. And the children should not have been exposed to or forced to endure their mothers psychosis
My mother belongs here
I'm so sorry you had to experience life like that ❤
So sorry some should never have kids.
Well your mom was somewhat better than these moms because you're still here
But sometimes being dead is better than dealing with aftereffects of having to be with a monster
What makes it appalling about the last story is that her mom looked like she was ready to care for the baby but she seemed relactant. Smh....
After my third pregnancy I thought i was loosing my mind! The only way i could describe it was like a horrible, constant grey, while feeling like the boogie man was after me. But the worst of it was this constant guilty feeling for everything! It was just horrible.
long story short i found out i have a thyroid issue. so when my hormones drop after pregnancy it sends it into craziness!
i had this 2 out of 4 pregnancy.
I have to say that I’m not sure what i would/could have done if the dr didn’t catch it almost by mistake. It’s hard to even put into words how awe full of it was.
I will never understand why parents don't give their children into other suitable environments if they can't or don't want to care of their kids. Killing those beautiful, innocents is just incomprehensible to me.
In some cases these women are suffering from Postpartum Psychosis. They are out of their minds and don't know it. They behave completely out of their normal personality. The have lost touch with reality! The need treatment and hospitalization....I know someone this happened to... Luckily her family realized early on that something was wrong with her and took her to the hospital, which admitted her immediately. She stayed in hospital for several months and they found a medication that controlled her thinking. Brought her back into reality. She/we were very, very lucky she got treatment before anything tragic happened to her precious little guy. It's easy to sit in judgement until something like this happens to someone very close to you.
@@lorienniss8711 Your friend was very lucky to have an amazing support system with friends and family. I am sorry if my comment offended and sounded judgemental. Have a nice day and all the best to your friend
Dina should not have had her children. She reminds me of Andrea Yates, though that case was even worse because she asked for help.
That father is lucky he only left her alone with one child, or he may not have any.
Postpartum Psychosis is no joke, it can be EXTREMELY fast onset and having any history of it is enough of a reason that doctors will allow you to have your tubes tied.
These hunky dory husbands who don't take psychosis seriously aren't honouring G-d, they are PLAYING G-d.
It is so tragic.
I can’t watch this anymore.
These women were ALL SICK.