Thank you to The Conversation Capital team for the invite and the sitdown. I enjoyed spending time with you guys. I hope ppl benefit from the episode 🙏🏽❤️
There are some things that I do not tie in with you on but 95% of the things you say are powerful and life-changing......thank you for availing yourself to us❤
Ursula is such a good listener. You can tell from her facial expressions that she felt Penuel was absolutely incorrect yet she never interjected. She patiently & respectfully listened. I love this podcast- it genuinely respects all opinions.
@@Pul3MAll good. However, she seem to agree to a lot of what Pen's saying. This guy is brilliant, he doesn't just spew nonsense. We can argue a lot of what he says simply cuz we are human beings "different", but he supports whatever he believes in. I for one, don't agree to some of his ideologies but that doesn't take away from what he is, he is brilliant.
I see why he has 6 children. He confidently sells his perspective and I respect it. This was such a delicious conversation. I can't wait for the unpacking of the God complex. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 Ursula's facial expressions made me feel so understood. From the beginning all the way to the yummy end. These are such important conversations. Bravo and Encore!
"Success is to move as far away from your people as possible." I think having children woke me up to this. Child-bearing has time limit, education and self-development doesn't. I raise my children, I can study when they start formal schooling. Then again you need a village/community to achieve this; a partner who will carry the family and elders who will guide us through this journey. It becomes tricky because we've moved away from that same community to chase the "success". It almost feels abnormal to just want to live out your purpose instead of following a script. Thank you guys for this conversation.❤
Thank you all who contributed to this beautiful conversation. I love the respect and patience in giving each other space to share without judgment. Continue to put this out and bring Pen back as I didn't want this to end. Love from USA ❤❤❤
This might just be my favourite episode. Ursula's skils as a host shone here, she was so respectful when I know so many others would have wanted to inturrept the guest.
Penury is just trying to give another reason for it to be okay for him to keep impregnating women and not necessarily be there to raise them fully because he already gave his so called “good” genes by giving her this supreme pen baby 🫠 instead his raising statistic of single parents households more so the ones that have absent fathers or barely present fathers because he can’t be in all six of his kids lives at ones to be a good present father nje and that’s fact . But ke he can continue spreading his seed with those that agree it’s just sad to see someone with such a big influence as him spread these false ideas that result in broken homes and fathers that don’t take responsibility for who they impregnate and the kids their supposed to be present to raise
First time viewer. I am so blessed to be a part of our awesome country and our fantastic people. You helped me see this blessing again. Wow we are a special nation. Thank you so much for your amazing work 🙏❤️🇿🇦
Penuel never disappoints. As a Penuelist I now know and believe in myself even more because of this guy. Despite some thinking it reckless for him to have many kids, he's a better father than most present dads, a fact many might not know. Give this guy a seat in parliament 😂😂 Great episode-I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I saw confusion of long term relationships (mjolo) vs life time commitment (marriage). In my opinion this conversation is all about mjolo. There shouldn’t be an exit strategy in lifetime commitment or marriage.
The reason why so many of us have two names (Western and traditional) was for us to be accepted and to thrive in two different communities. Our parents knew that and provisioned for it. It would be ideal if we were to have the same mentality moving forward when it comes to our way of life, grounded in traditions that serve us well, but also be able to adapt and answer to modern day challenges.
This is very true, principles of yesterday are still valid today but the only difference is they were made in time to tackle yesterday’s challenges,so without moving removing too much we should look for todays solutions for todays challenges. It’s bit of both like you said, keeping the English etc. Also have men today who will accept that today’s women aren’t like our mothers they ambitious driven how then do we stabilise marriage/partnership without dimmming the light of the other. I loved this episode.
"The system gains out of the disfunctionality it has created" plain painful truth...tx Pen, your mind is amazing. We need to undo the elitist mindset. The paying of the one who stays at home, is really powerful and can work...i wish it can be law
Beautiful conversation, I also love how you guys visit each other's shows and share content. One this conventional television will never do. Thank God for you guys and the freedom UA-cam provides u. Much love ❤
No man the conversion was just fire. A solution's driven conversation that offers practical methods of how to bring about the change we would like to see 🙌🙌 a huge Big ups to you guys
I had taken a Penuel detox for a couple of months unsubscribed from most of his content not because the guys is a bad person or anything but mainly because he is hella influential, hate him or love him there is a solid reasoning behind his ideologies and most ppl's reasoning capabilities are too low to comprehend such complex and dynamic individuals. But back to me and why I chose to go on a fast from his content, I had consumed so much of his content I needed to step outside of this lil bubble I had created for myself with most of his material and just be more subjective and try combine his wisdom with mine. Now I'm back baybee!!! We need more ppl like Pen in our communities man, ppl that will expand your traditional way of thinking and reasoning. Penuel for the youth.
You're way too kind 🙏🏽 I really support fasting from ppl you can feel are influencing your mind... I hope it was good for you. You must do it more often & rest your mind.
We grew up poor and saw our mothers struggle raising babies they didnt make on their own. That is what taught us to wait till you have a house and a car and all that.
I HEARD SOME WISDOM SHARED BY OTHERS TO PENUEL, IN HIS PODCAST, AND TODAY PEN ARTICULATED THEM, PEN YOU'RE INDEED A STUDENT OF AFRICANISM IDEOLOGY ❤👌👌👌
I completely disagree with some of penuels ideas on procreation, I love how the crew was able to challenge his opinion on the whole nature vs nurture topic. I think it’s very important we separate opinion from fact. I studied genetics and we did a study on the effects of genetics and environment and how the two equally shape an adult human to be the person they are. He has this weird idea of ‘value’ humans spreading their seed and multiplying to outweigh the ‘mediocre’ human, and unfortunately we are not cattle you can’t selectively breed humans and expect success in future (another study we did in uni). Penuel took the whole genetics aspect and how it shapes humans and he just ran with it , completely disregarding the fact that even with good genetics and a good mating partner it’s still rolling a die from physical value hoping it transfers to offsprings and with genetics anything can be possible, people with seemingly unpleasant physical attributes can give birth to phenomenal humans there is that chance , just as with parents that have desirable attributes can give birth to humans that will be terrible in society and that’s just the game of it really, everyone is taking a gamble when giving birth it’s just that when we think we chose the right mate it makes the gamble more easy to take. My small two cents 😅
I completely agree with you on this. Humans are complex beings and how we turn out is a combination of genetics, environment and a touch of luck. The 3rd aspect is my opinion based on my own observation of course.
@@rebirthed4674 I’m happy you’re also seeing the issue with the some of his ideas🔥, it’s problematic thinking honestly. Plus his also contributing to the large percentage of families with fathers barely being there or absent because he can’t father all his kids from different moms especially because he’s not committed to any of them or planning on marrying them and raising one big family under one homestead so he’s argument is failing dismally 😅
Ursula weeeh! In my head, nna, wena, Given and Bonga rr di besties. Le wise. LOVE you guys. Top tier conversations from a different angle. Love that. I watch and listen and thereafter i do some thinking after every episode . Keep it up!
This is quite disheartening because Penuel represents men who have disconnected themselves from being present parents and this has nothing to do with the role of a mother or of a father but just being a parent to a human being you consciously created and then say that your DNA will be enough for that child to represent greatness in this world is concieted... children are raised by people and the consistent efforts they contribute to making that particular child better and for me that is showing up for that child everyday.
..so basically you are saying the nurture part of "creating that child" plays a much more significant role than what Penuel was suggesting. I agree. I also, don't agree with the whole "ideology" that women should start to consider the idea of bearing children ealier in their lives as part of "being sacrificial lambs" all in the name of "long term procreation benefits" and/or conserving our own in terms of generational growth.A lot of us (esp.South African black women) have seen so many times with so many single parent led households, the absolute psychological, socio-economic, physical and yes...socio-cultural RISK it make a decision to bear one child, just ONE. The risks of doing this when you are younger, by quite a large margin, outweigh any "potential benefits". Most women, right now ...are fully aware that should you decide to have a child, you have to be subconsciously aware that the chances of that child being your SOLE RESPONSIBILITY, are quite high in South Africa.
43:38 There are a few tribes that are matriarchal culturally culturally but majority of African cultures that are matriarchal. But each according to his own.
39:41 You are right about this. I and my partner strongly work towards not being influenced by the colonial misinformation that is widely available on the internet.
Wish was part of the conversation. Nevertheless, as a woman you are responsible for choosing correctly. Choose someone who will appreciate and support you holistically. Our mistakes equally so, we have failed ourselves when it comes to love relationships. Choose WISELY! Mr Pen, I will appreciate you do not and dare not commercialize love relationship. It is such mentality and narrative that destroy. Honestly, I have high respect for you. I listen to you a lot. In fact am listening and watching this podcast, simple to listen to you. My contribution.
Penuel is an awesome conversationalist shem😂. Also we are the TCC fam. There's so much to say about so much that was said. I was continuously provoked but thoughtfully so. Akabuye azosichazela kabanzi ngobu Nkulunkulu bakhe
i have only listened to clips of Penuel , i just followed you i like the way he nver puts anyone down we can fix a lot of our olonial issues by working together as a community
I am a Namibian, from the vambo tribe. The tribe have about 7, arguably 8 dialects. And in one of them (Aandonga) we are very matriarch to an extend.. What you spoke at 44:27 is what still happens here. The next king of Aandonga people is born by the kings sister/auntie incase the king's sister don't have male fit children. But even in the case of a child we have a quote that says "okaana oka kwawo nayina", simplying saying "the children belongs to the woman."...
Sorry guys Ursula Mariani has one the beautiful smiles in the world and her eyes wow. I'm not flirting . Any way I enjoy the show and Panuel interview.
Here is my take from the episode: First things first, I watched Dirty John: The Betty Broderick story. Wow I'm still amazed I had no idea about the case which has captured the imaginations of millions for years. I love how they captured her emotions in a way that I assume many victims of infidelity would understand. The best part was when the psychologist was in a step by step breakdown was explaining how the infidel contributed to the actions and feelings of the aggrieved by making them to feel guilty and crazy about something which was actually true. Compare and contrast that with Penuel's view that people should just get over it...that's not how the real world works botie! Whereas Pen is an articulate smart and logical guy who has answers for everything many of his solutions wont just work in the real world because people are not wired that way. He would know that himself. That is why he like many in media should be consumed with a pinch of salt, just like you might get some gems and nuggets from your favorite telenova at the end of the day its still just entertainment. People are unpredictable, people are dangerous so the more affairs and connections you have with people especially permanent ones like kids the complicated your life would be, you might have the perfect plan but life is unpredictable, so having multiple kids with multiple women that may also have kids with their respective partners is just a putting things in a pressure cooker which many explode anytime. While it may work for Pen its hardly advice anyone else should seek. In the story of Betty, it would be dope if the CC team could invite a criminologist to come to chop it up about people especially women that kill. Are we all potential killers? What drives one over the edge? Should people be absolved because of mental health? As a man Im particularly interested in the women part because unfortunately guys just do it for sport at this point, I have lost a lot of female friends because their lives have been cut short at the slightest infraction, so I don't really give a damn about guys at this point but it would be dope to have an expert at least give us a baseline research on why killers kill. Its a pandemic at this point.
Conversations which we need to have. For me marriage requires one to focus more on other (Wife and Kids) more than self. In a way, it requires the self to die for a service greater than oneself.
What confuses me the most is how he doesn’t understand nurture and only emphasises the environment aspect when speaking about nurture. Fathers need to be there to model behaviour at home, a boy must watch his father in the day to day. He thinks nurture is limited to activities and books. Crazy. Follow Christ
I don't even like the term quality when it comes to a human being that is Western ideology. With that being said lot of these "quality" people don't produce quality children. A family can have multiple children and they all turn out differently. Like Ursula said it's the upbringing and the community needs to take part in the upbringing. As far as the population deficit, that's a yt ppl problem. I know many women who gave birth to children in their 40s including my grandmother and mother. Penuel you are speaking my language with the de colonization project.
7:20 The degree of effectiveness of the nurture inputed largely relies on nature. Genetic information passed on and personality type largely influence a person's capacity to be something great. But social class, level of education, etc also are important factors.
Only one mother is a problem. The other 2, we went to family advocates coz of disagreements over primary residence. It's mediation... because sadly families don't offer these solutions anymore.
I haven't watched the Netflix series on Dirty Betty but I've watched the Betty Broderick story many times over the years, since child from Oprah to Discovery ID now. It is very sad and really does make you think that you need to be cognisant of the desions you make in a union and whether or not you'll be okay with it if that person that you sacrificed for left you.
Modern families often struggle due to an emphasis on achievement over meaningful relationships, one might argue that the decision to limit family size to one child, justified by concerns over time and capacity for childcare, overlooks the potential support available from extended family members who could contribute to caregiving responsibilities. My observation on marital failures in South Africa, is that it appears that societal messaging downplays the significance of marriage as an achievement, while promoting individual sexual freedoms (read sleeping around/mjolo) over the stability of a family unit. This cultural shift, is worsened by the historical legacy of apartheid, has contributed to the fragmentation of familial bonds, and undermines the importance of a two-parent household for the well-being of children. I know these are very sweeping and simplistic statements but there are my views nonetheless...I wish I made kids early, waited for degrees. MISTAKE!
Seems like you’re a man. You wish you started earlier? Most of the online advice is telling men to start at around age 35 with marriage and having a child because of how rough the game currently is. It’s rough psychologically, rough financially, etc. If one preps properly then by 35, you’re in a great space to pick an elite woman that you wouldn’t have been able to pull or satisfy when you were say 24 or 28 or even 30. Interested to hear your thoughts on this? Because a man’s fertility doesn’t decrease as sharply as a woman’s so we have the luxury of time and preparation
Disappointing though because they don't understand that we are victims of psychological vandalism by the Europeans. Penuel kept coming in and out of it, as if the truth and reality are two different things.
Quite an interesting conversation Team. Penuel kudos to all your points. Im afraid you are giving windows 98, windows 10 format it will crash. But i would dare try see who these concepts look like these would be amazing.
Penuel cooking as always.Ursula being her normal lovely self, did think she would struggle as I always find her very close-minded and that Yes Yes echo chamber she's created with Given + Bonga always limits varied views but ja this convo had a good range
Thank you for the lovely conversation. I think it's best not to have a community name, Pen is coming with his God complex stuff here, jiki jiki we have a cult 🤣🤣🤣
Enlightening conversation 🎉 we also had a sudden onset of new male recruits because our female manager said that we were taking too much PTO in maternity leave.
Penuel must be taking a piss at this point. Well articulated on some farfetch superficial world order ideas. 😂😂😂 Ursula has patience for days to hold this convo
His thought about how nature largely determines success is consistent with his worldview that eliminates God in the generic sense although it is not accurate. God is the equalizer. The wisest man Solomon made this observation about life, "The race is not for the swift, nor the battle for the strong, not bread for the wise, but time and chance happens to them all"
Nature will trump nurture almost 100% of the time. Kids with nature & nurture are unstoppable. 10yrs ago my daughter’s aftercare teacher (an elderly woman) asked my wife and I to make more kids because we make smart kids. Her view agrees with Penuel’s view.
I was so engrossed in the initial debate/conversation about nature vs nurture and would like to chime in. For me it's neither here nor there as how human beings turn (in intellect, character and physically) out is a mystery. For example, there's the commonly held fallacious view that 2 "pretty" parents will make "beautiful" children and then boom, the babies come out less attractive (by conventional standards) than expected. But then again, if 2 tall parents decide to procreate, then it's highly likely that their offspring will also be tall in stature. What about intellectual prowess? We've seen kids who come from deplorable conditions with seemingly no history of conventional intellectual prowess within the history of their bloodline, become intellectual giants in the conventional fields of study, to the befuddlement of observers - Srinivasa Ramanujan (great Indian mathematician who independently "rediscovered", with mathematical proofs, some of the most fundamental theorems in all of mathematics) comes to mind. What about a guy like Einstein, who upon his death and examination of his brain, turned out to not have abnormally more neurons than the average person, but had significantly more neural connections than the average human being, which for me speaks to the quality and depth of his developed intellect rather than the sheer immensity of his hardware i.e. his brain ... Cases for nature and nurture can be made with equal veracity. So it's not written in stone. The permutations of how a human being turns out are nearly impossible to compute as one would need to factor in genetics, epigenetics, their environment and their personal decisions (mind you these are very broad categories that can be further simplified into more complex sub-categories). Those combinatorics are basically infinite and one can not determine the extent to which each factor contributes to the outcome i.e. I suppose this differs from one person to the next. If a person believes that procreating with someone that they deem to have adequate vitality, because they think it improves their offspring's chances of having a better life and being a more useful human being in society, then that's their prerogative and they should be free to do however they please. And if another does not hold the same view and believes that it really doesn't matter who you procreate with and how the offspring turns out is a roll of a die, then that's their right and prerogative as well, and their free to think the way they want and to do as they please. I suppose for me that's the point. Humans should be free to think freely and not be coerced or pressured to adopt a certain way of thinking, even if you do not agree with the opinions that they hold. What if those opinions are "harmful" one would ask resulting in abuses a d toxic ways of thinking that can cascade and result into unfavorable outcomes e.g. the Eugenics movement and how that led to certain people believing that certain individuals should not procreate as society would be better off if they didn't (This is a gross oversimplification of the effects of the eugenics movement, but you're free to read up on it if you want). That's where honest debate and intellectual honesty has to come in. No one person has all the answers as life and humanity are so complex, its not even funny.
Very interesting perspective. Nothing is as black and white as we want to make it seem. Humanity is too broad and complex for us to try and categorise things so simply
Phenyo…is my People I resonate…what he just explained…is the my involuntary projected path I’m being led to…the work has already begun…causes sleepless nights…it’s kinda abstract and unchartered but it intuitively on point…
I don't think I've ever agreed with anything Penuel believes but I agree with him here on the elite not wanting competition and as a result talking "clever blacks" out of having children. If government played it part and the full responsibility of raising kids wasn't only on the parents then people would have more kids... Importantly in nuclear families.
Interesting discussion...by extension then, if we view humans as assets, we can place value against them? Determine when that value diminishes, and nethod of disposal?
But this is already in place, an employee is an asset that has value, increases revenue for a business in return for a salary, and when the employee's value diminishes then they get fired
Am with Pen on this one, because the one hardest thing psychologist have battled over the years is exactly how to improve cognitive ability, its near impossible, the hardest part is the "General" ,its called General cognitive ability for a reason,being smart in one area is not loaded on intelligence ,need to be smart in general .
Eugenics is based on narcissism, Self given title of greatness. What is sad is that there is no single universally accepted concept of greatness. For example He might think he is great because of his mind and unique way of thinking but some white billionaire with lower IQ who inherited his wealth might think he is a nobody because he is broke and black with nothing to offer to the world. Unfortunately the billionaire has more say and can get rid of him … literally. These narcissistic thoughts breed a lot of hatred , wars and misery in the world. This was true in past with Hitler to current unfolding events in the gencide that is happening with the whole world watching. Yes, it gets that deep. Every major problem we currently face, whether it is racism, wars etc all started in the mind of someone or a group of people and propagated to masses. I strongly believe diversity is there for us to learn to accommodate each other and help each other where we are lacking. Not to eliminate each other based on abilities or talents or lack thereof . This is why human beings cannot be Gods because they fail to understand the simple basic concept of balance in our existence. God created equilibrium in the universe because it is necessary. You can’t outweed what you as a mortal human being think is bad and only have what you think is good remain behind . The human mind ( even the so called great minds ) are currently not at the level of intervening in the universe and still maintaining the necessary balance. Furthermore, There is no proof that eugenics actually works in society long term. In fact recorded history has shown us that every attempt at eugenics has not worked thus far and instead ended in disaster simply because it violates the natural order of things. It is a bad and dangerous idea , one that has to be stopped in its tracks.
Thank you to The Conversation Capital team for the invite and the sitdown. I enjoyed spending time with you guys. I hope ppl benefit from the episode 🙏🏽❤️
Dammmn pen is God 💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Please write a book on your thoughts on utopian Africa. This can be a subject of African studies and philosophy in academic lectures.
There are some things that I do not tie in with you on but 95% of the things you say are powerful and life-changing......thank you for availing yourself to us❤
Peneul 🔥🔥🔥🔥 you never disappoint 🙌🙌 there’s always something to learn from your conversations noma nini noma kuphi.
@@mhlezuma7267 ngibonge Msholozi 🙏🏽
Ursula is such a good listener. You can tell from her facial expressions that she felt Penuel was absolutely incorrect yet she never interjected. She patiently & respectfully listened. I love this podcast- it genuinely respects all opinions.
Rather something she doesn't subscribe to instead of "garbage". But hey, we were raised differently and we have different experiences...
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Thank you for this. I've edited the comment. Apologies@@Facts_Only_SA
@@Pul3MAll good. However, she seem to agree to a lot of what Pen's saying. This guy is brilliant, he doesn't just spew nonsense. We can argue a lot of what he says simply cuz we are human beings "different", but he supports whatever he believes in. I for one, don't agree to some of his ideologies but that doesn't take away from what he is, he is brilliant.
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One thing about Pen, he listens... he will wait for you to speak until you are done without interjecting. Even if you are putting words in his mouth.
Thank you for noticing 🙏🏽
I see why he has 6 children. He confidently sells his perspective and I respect it. This was such a delicious conversation. I can't wait for the unpacking of the God complex. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Ursula's facial expressions made me feel so understood. From the beginning all the way to the yummy end.
These are such important conversations. Bravo and Encore!
"Success is to move as far away from your people as possible."
I think having children woke me up to this. Child-bearing has time limit, education and self-development doesn't. I raise my children, I can study when they start formal schooling. Then again you need a village/community to achieve this; a partner who will carry the family and elders who will guide us through this journey. It becomes tricky because we've moved away from that same community to chase the "success".
It almost feels abnormal to just want to live out your purpose instead of following a script.
Thank you guys for this conversation.❤
Ursula is a dope interviewer 🔥🔥🔥
Penuels solutions to the current societal problems esp in broken families. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🔥🔥
I love this lady hosting ,she is super bright and well spoken and reasons very well ..
Thank you all who contributed to this beautiful conversation. I love the respect and patience in giving each other space to share without judgment. Continue to put this out and bring Pen back as I didn't want this to end. Love from USA ❤❤❤
The camera quality here is absolutely brilliant..the production is really second to none ..well done to the production team
This might just be my favourite episode. Ursula's skils as a host shone here, she was so respectful when I know so many others would have wanted to inturrept the guest.
Crazy, I realised in matric that out of a group of maybe 12 friends only two of us lived in the same household as the parents that birthed us…
Penury is just trying to give another reason for it to be okay for him to keep impregnating women and not necessarily be there to raise them fully because he already gave his so called “good” genes by giving her this supreme pen baby 🫠 instead his raising statistic of single parents households more so the ones that have absent fathers or barely present fathers because he can’t be in all six of his kids lives at ones to be a good present father nje and that’s fact . But ke he can continue spreading his seed with those that agree it’s just sad to see someone with such a big influence as him spread these false ideas that result in broken homes and fathers that don’t take responsibility for who they impregnate and the kids their supposed to be present to raise
What do u mean bro?
First time viewer. I am so blessed to be a part of our awesome country and our fantastic people. You helped me see this blessing again. Wow we are a special nation. Thank you so much for your amazing work 🙏❤️🇿🇦
The look on Ursula's face when Penuel talks about procreation at the beginning of the episode😂😂😂😂
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She kept quiet 😂😂
Penuel never disappoints. As a Penuelist I now know and believe in myself even more because of this guy. Despite some thinking it reckless for him to have many kids, he's a better father than most present dads, a fact many might not know. Give this guy a seat in parliament 😂😂
Great episode-I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I truly appreciate your kind words 🙏🏽❤️
Penuelist 😂😂😂
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Ursula you smile, excitement and positive vibes gets me every-time and I stay here longer then I should.
I saw confusion of long term relationships (mjolo) vs life time commitment (marriage). In my opinion this conversation is all about mjolo. There shouldn’t be an exit strategy in lifetime commitment or marriage.
The reason why so many of us have two names (Western and traditional) was for us to be accepted and to thrive in two different communities. Our parents knew that and provisioned for it. It would be ideal if we were to have the same mentality moving forward when it comes to our way of life, grounded in traditions that serve us well, but also be able to adapt and answer to modern day challenges.
This is very true, principles of yesterday are still valid today but the only difference is they were made in time to tackle yesterday’s challenges,so without moving removing too much we should look for todays solutions for todays challenges. It’s bit of both like you said, keeping the English etc.
Also have men today who will accept that today’s women aren’t like our mothers they ambitious driven how then do we stabilise marriage/partnership without dimmming the light of the other. I loved this episode.
Penuel is the blueprint! Argh I'm in awe of the whole team, very eye-opening conversation.
This is one of the most beautiful conversations I've seen online in recent times. It should have been so much longer., thank you so much for this.
"The system gains out of the disfunctionality it has created" plain painful truth...tx Pen, your mind is amazing. We need to undo the elitist mindset. The paying of the one who stays at home, is really powerful and can work...i wish it can be law
Penuel are "Their father is them."...felt that.
Beautiful conversation, I also love how you guys visit each other's shows and share content. One this conventional television will never do. Thank God for you guys and the freedom UA-cam provides u. Much love ❤
No man the conversion was just fire. A solution's driven conversation that offers practical methods of how to bring about the change we would like to see 🙌🙌 a huge Big ups to you guys
When you put two smart people in one room you get this 🔥 🔥 beautiful and insightful episode.I love you guys.
I had taken a Penuel detox for a couple of months unsubscribed from most of his content not because the guys is a bad person or anything but mainly because he is hella influential, hate him or love him there is a solid reasoning behind his ideologies and most ppl's reasoning capabilities are too low to comprehend such complex and dynamic individuals. But back to me and why I chose to go on a fast from his content, I had consumed so much of his content I needed to step outside of this lil bubble I had created for myself with most of his material and just be more subjective and try combine his wisdom with mine. Now I'm back baybee!!! We need more ppl like Pen in our communities man, ppl that will expand your traditional way of thinking and reasoning. Penuel for the youth.
You're way too kind 🙏🏽
I really support fasting from ppl you can feel are influencing your mind... I hope it was good for you.
You must do it more often & rest your mind.
Malawi 🇲🇼 is Watching .
We love Penuel and shoutout to The Conversation Capital.
It’s so hard imagining an “undisturbed Africa” … but it’s doable 🕯️
We grew up poor and saw our mothers struggle raising babies they didnt make on their own. That is what taught us to wait till you have a house and a car and all that.
Ursula is me, I am Ursula! Her face on some of these comments 😂
I HEARD SOME WISDOM SHARED BY OTHERS TO PENUEL, IN HIS PODCAST, AND TODAY PEN ARTICULATED THEM, PEN YOU'RE INDEED A STUDENT OF AFRICANISM IDEOLOGY ❤👌👌👌
I completely disagree with some of penuels ideas on procreation, I love how the crew was able to challenge his opinion on the whole nature vs nurture topic. I think it’s very important we separate opinion from fact. I studied genetics and we did a study on the effects of genetics and environment and how the two equally shape an adult human to be the person they are. He has this weird idea of ‘value’ humans spreading their seed and multiplying to outweigh the ‘mediocre’ human, and unfortunately we are not cattle you can’t selectively breed humans and expect success in future (another study we did in uni). Penuel took the whole genetics aspect and how it shapes humans and he just ran with it , completely disregarding the fact that even with good genetics and a good mating partner it’s still rolling a die from physical value hoping it transfers to offsprings and with genetics anything can be possible, people with seemingly unpleasant physical attributes can give birth to phenomenal humans there is that chance , just as with parents that have desirable attributes can give birth to humans that will be terrible in society and that’s just the game of it really, everyone is taking a gamble when giving birth it’s just that when we think we chose the right mate it makes the gamble more easy to take. My small two cents 😅
Well said!
I completely agree with you on this. Humans are complex beings and how we turn out is a combination of genetics, environment and a touch of luck. The 3rd aspect is my opinion based on my own observation of course.
@@rebirthed4674 I’m happy you’re also seeing the issue with the some of his ideas🔥, it’s problematic thinking honestly. Plus his also contributing to the large percentage of families with fathers barely being there or absent because he can’t father all his kids from different moms especially because he’s not committed to any of them or planning on marrying them and raising one big family under one homestead so he’s argument is failing dismally 😅
Ursula weeeh! In my head, nna, wena, Given and Bonga rr di besties.
Le wise. LOVE you guys. Top tier conversations from a different angle. Love that.
I watch and listen and thereafter i do some thinking after every episode .
Keep it up!
I clicked on play as soon as I saw Penuel Black Pen 🖊️ Man is very brilliant!
One of the best episodes,very formative,it’s podcast like this one that can really make a difference in our society 🙏🏻i thank you guys
This is quite disheartening because Penuel represents men who have disconnected themselves from being present parents and this has nothing to do with the role of a mother or of a father but just being a parent to a human being you consciously created and then say that your DNA will be enough for that child to represent greatness in this world is concieted... children are raised by people and the consistent efforts they contribute to making that particular child better and for me that is showing up for that child everyday.
I’m with you. Maybe the cat’s learning too.
..so basically you are saying the nurture part of "creating that child" plays a much more significant role than what Penuel was suggesting. I agree.
I also, don't agree with the whole "ideology" that women should start to consider the idea of bearing children ealier in their lives as part of "being sacrificial lambs" all in the name of "long term procreation benefits" and/or conserving our own in terms of generational growth.A lot of us (esp.South African black women) have seen so many times with so many single parent led households, the absolute psychological, socio-economic, physical and yes...socio-cultural RISK it make a decision to bear one child, just ONE.
The risks of doing this when you are younger, by quite a large margin, outweigh any "potential benefits".
Most women, right now ...are fully aware that should you decide to have a child, you have to be subconsciously aware that the chances of that child being your SOLE RESPONSIBILITY, are quite high in South Africa.
43:38 There are a few tribes that are matriarchal culturally culturally but majority of African cultures that are matriarchal. But each according to his own.
We need more of this, I am loving the crossover episodes
thank you very much all of you
Am from Rwanda
39:41 You are right about this. I and my partner strongly work towards not being influenced by the colonial misinformation that is widely available on the internet.
7:48
Ursula. Check out the Reinforcement Theory in Human Behavioural Psychology.
Wish was part of the conversation. Nevertheless, as a woman you are responsible for choosing correctly. Choose someone who will appreciate and support you holistically. Our mistakes equally so, we have failed ourselves when it comes to love relationships. Choose WISELY! Mr Pen, I will appreciate you do not and dare not commercialize love relationship. It is such mentality and narrative that destroy. Honestly, I have high respect for you. I listen to you a lot. In fact am listening and watching this podcast, simple to listen to you. My contribution.
First watching the show... what a beautiful conversation you guys had with @GodPenuel 😃!!!
Penuel have a nice way of dropping his points.. world class debater
Glad to be here❤
Beautiful conversation... most of us have this utopian idea. Yes colonianism happened to us but it doesn't have to be the end of us!
Penuel is an awesome conversationalist shem😂.
Also we are the TCC fam.
There's so much to say about so much that was said. I was continuously provoked but thoughtfully so. Akabuye azosichazela kabanzi ngobu Nkulunkulu bakhe
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i have only listened to clips of Penuel , i just followed you i like the way he nver puts anyone down we can fix a lot of our olonial issues by working together as a community
I'm going to watch this over and over again.
Conversationalists that's us lol
I am a Namibian, from the vambo tribe. The tribe have about 7, arguably 8 dialects. And in one of them (Aandonga) we are very matriarch to an extend.. What you spoke at 44:27 is what still happens here. The next king of Aandonga people is born by the kings sister/auntie incase the king's sister don't have male fit children. But even in the case of a child we have a quote that says "okaana oka kwawo nayina", simplying saying "the children belongs to the woman."...
Sorry guys Ursula Mariani has one the beautiful smiles in the world and her eyes wow. I'm not flirting . Any way I enjoy the show and Panuel interview.
Enjoyed this conversation.
Siyakhula, siyafunda❤️
Here is my take from the episode: First things first, I watched Dirty John: The Betty Broderick story. Wow I'm still amazed I had no idea about the case which has captured the imaginations of millions for years. I love how they captured her emotions in a way that I assume many victims of infidelity would understand. The best part was when the psychologist was in a step by step breakdown was explaining how the infidel contributed to the actions and feelings of the aggrieved by making them to feel guilty and crazy about something which was actually true. Compare and contrast that with Penuel's view that people should just get over it...that's not how the real world works botie! Whereas Pen is an articulate smart and logical guy who has answers for everything many of his solutions wont just work in the real world because people are not wired that way. He would know that himself. That is why he like many in media should be consumed with a pinch of salt, just like you might get some gems and nuggets from your favorite telenova at the end of the day its still just entertainment. People are unpredictable, people are dangerous so the more affairs and connections you have with people especially permanent ones like kids the complicated your life would be, you might have the perfect plan but life is unpredictable, so having multiple kids with multiple women that may also have kids with their respective partners is just a putting things in a pressure cooker which many explode anytime. While it may work for Pen its hardly advice anyone else should seek. In the story of Betty, it would be dope if the CC team could invite a criminologist to come to chop it up about people especially women that kill. Are we all potential killers? What drives one over the edge? Should people be absolved because of mental health? As a man Im particularly interested in the women part because unfortunately guys just do it for sport at this point, I have lost a lot of female friends because their lives have been cut short at the slightest infraction, so I don't really give a damn about guys at this point but it would be dope to have an expert at least give us a baseline research on why killers kill. Its a pandemic at this point.
"Colonialism has made us to believe that for a black child to be successful you have to move away from your community " 😮😮😮 👌🏿
"Be fruitful and multiply "that's it!
Ah no
Pen is brilliant. Always a good listen.
I Loooooooove Ursula ❤❤❤❤❤and her questioningpoint 🎉...
In other news "kopa plug ya di braids👌🏾👌🏾"...
Abuti Pen and ausi Ursula ba tshwanelana .let's give them our blessings ✌🏾
😅 💯
😂😂😂😂 ayy yeah this Pen guy neh.
Great conversation though 🎉❤
Conversations which we need to have. For me marriage requires one to focus more on other (Wife and Kids) more than self. In a way, it requires the self to die for a service greater than oneself.
O wish I could like this a million times. Very eye opening as usual.
Penuel u blew my mind bro 🙌🏽👏🏾👏🏾
What confuses me the most is how he doesn’t understand nurture and only emphasises the environment aspect when speaking about nurture. Fathers need to be there to model behaviour at home, a boy must watch his father in the day to day. He thinks nurture is limited to activities and books. Crazy. Follow Christ
This is intense
Lol you missed his point.
What’s the point?
You missed his Point
What was his point?
Food For Thought... My Duty Now Is To Act Upon These Empowering Words.
Such a huge fan of Ursula…😍😍…So much grace…😌😌
I don't even like the term quality when it comes to a human being that is Western ideology. With that being said lot of these "quality" people don't produce quality children. A family can have multiple children and they all turn out differently. Like Ursula said it's the upbringing and the community needs to take part in the upbringing. As far as the population deficit, that's a yt ppl problem. I know many women who gave birth to children in their 40s including my grandmother and mother. Penuel you are speaking my language with the de colonization project.
7:20 The degree of effectiveness of the nurture inputed largely relies on nature. Genetic information passed on and personality type largely influence a person's capacity to be something great. But social class, level of education, etc also are important factors.
how "well suited"/"g0od natured" are the mothers of penuel's kids since they are forever battling him in court ??!??
Only one mother is a problem.
The other 2, we went to family advocates coz of disagreements over primary residence. It's mediation... because sadly families don't offer these solutions anymore.
I haven't watched the Netflix series on Dirty Betty but I've watched the Betty Broderick story many times over the years, since child from Oprah to Discovery ID now. It is very sad and really does make you think that you need to be cognisant of the desions you make in a union and whether or not you'll be okay with it if that person that you sacrificed for left you.
I can’t seem to find Dirty betty on Netflix…. What’s the name of this one you watched???
29:00, she just mentioned a story synonymous to acrimony produced by Tyler perry 🔥🔥🔥
Modern families often struggle due to an emphasis on achievement over meaningful relationships, one might argue that the decision to limit family size to one child, justified by concerns over time and capacity for childcare, overlooks the potential support available from extended family members who could contribute to caregiving responsibilities.
My observation on marital failures in South Africa, is that it appears that societal messaging downplays the significance of marriage as an achievement, while promoting individual sexual freedoms (read sleeping around/mjolo) over the stability of a family unit. This cultural shift, is worsened by the historical legacy of apartheid, has contributed to the fragmentation of familial bonds, and undermines the importance of a two-parent household for the well-being of children. I know these are very sweeping and simplistic statements but there are my views nonetheless...I wish I made kids early, waited for degrees. MISTAKE!
Very valuable thoughts here and I agree mostly with you. We need to rewire our engineering.
Seems like you’re a man. You wish you started earlier?
Most of the online advice is telling men to start at around age 35 with marriage and having a child because of how rough the game currently is. It’s rough psychologically, rough financially, etc. If one preps properly then by 35, you’re in a great space to pick an elite woman that you wouldn’t have been able to pull or satisfy when you were say 24 or 28 or even 30.
Interested to hear your thoughts on this? Because a man’s fertility doesn’t decrease as sharply as a woman’s so we have the luxury of time and preparation
Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation! Good job guys! You bring out the best in each other, differing without judging. Kudos!
🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌 High level conversation.
Disappointing though because they don't understand that we are victims of psychological vandalism by the Europeans. Penuel kept coming in and out of it, as if the truth and reality are two different things.
Beautiful host🎉
It’s always so interesting listening to Penz views on pro creation. Enjoyed this episode thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you for tuning... we all appreciate you guys listening to us, engaging & offering feedback.
I wish this could happen every second week or monthly. Beautiful minds, beautiful perspectives. I'm enriched.
The TRUTH WILL SET YOU APART! THANK YOU BROTHER and SISTERS! GOD BLESS!❤🎉❤🎉❤
Quite an interesting conversation Team. Penuel kudos to all your points. Im afraid you are giving windows 98, windows 10 format it will crash. But i would dare try see who these concepts look like these would be amazing.
We definitely need a part 3
Penuel cooking as always.Ursula being her normal lovely self, did think she would struggle as I always find her very close-minded and that Yes Yes echo chamber she's created with Given + Bonga always limits varied views but ja this convo had a good range
Fully with you.
Penuel’s a great guest here. He balances the energies
Thank you for the lovely conversation. I think it's best not to have a community name, Pen is coming with his God complex stuff here, jiki jiki we have a cult 🤣🤣🤣
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Enlightening conversation 🎉 we also had a sudden onset of new male recruits because our female manager said that we were taking too much PTO in maternity leave.
The thing with following pen is one starts feeling guilty for not having many kids hahaha
Penuel must be taking a piss at this point. Well articulated on some farfetch superficial world order ideas. 😂😂😂 Ursula has patience for days to hold this convo
His thought about how nature largely determines success is consistent with his worldview that eliminates God in the generic sense although it is not accurate. God is the equalizer. The wisest man Solomon made this observation about life, "The race is not for the swift, nor the battle for the strong, not bread for the wise, but time and chance happens to them all"
Nature will trump nurture almost 100% of the time. Kids with nature & nurture are unstoppable. 10yrs ago my daughter’s aftercare teacher (an elderly woman) asked my wife and I to make more kids because we make smart kids. Her view agrees with Penuel’s view.
Shout out to all the Capitalist. Lets go.
Agreed single parenting was never the ideal.
I was so engrossed in the initial debate/conversation about nature vs nurture and would like to chime in.
For me it's neither here nor there as how human beings turn (in intellect, character and physically) out is a mystery. For example, there's the commonly held fallacious view that 2 "pretty" parents will make "beautiful" children and then boom, the babies come out less attractive (by conventional standards) than expected. But then again, if 2 tall parents decide to procreate, then it's highly likely that their offspring will also be tall in stature. What about intellectual prowess? We've seen kids who come from deplorable conditions with seemingly no history of conventional intellectual prowess within the history of their bloodline, become intellectual giants in the conventional fields of study, to the befuddlement of observers - Srinivasa Ramanujan (great Indian mathematician who independently "rediscovered", with mathematical proofs, some of the most fundamental theorems in all of mathematics) comes to mind. What about a guy like Einstein, who upon his death and examination of his brain, turned out to not have abnormally more neurons than the average person, but had significantly more neural connections than the average human being, which for me speaks to the quality and depth of his developed intellect rather than the sheer immensity of his hardware i.e. his brain ... Cases for nature and nurture can be made with equal veracity.
So it's not written in stone. The permutations of how a human being turns out are nearly impossible to compute as one would need to factor in genetics, epigenetics, their environment and their personal decisions (mind you these are very broad categories that can be further simplified into more complex sub-categories). Those combinatorics are basically infinite and one can not determine the extent to which each factor contributes to the outcome i.e. I suppose this differs from one person to the next.
If a person believes that procreating with someone that they deem to have adequate vitality, because they think it improves their offspring's chances of having a better life and being a more useful human being in society, then that's their prerogative and they should be free to do however they please. And if another does not hold the same view and believes that it really doesn't matter who you procreate with and how the offspring turns out is a roll of a die, then that's their right and prerogative as well, and their free to think the way they want and to do as they please.
I suppose for me that's the point. Humans should be free to think freely and not be coerced or pressured to adopt a certain way of thinking, even if you do not agree with the opinions that they hold. What if those opinions are "harmful" one would ask resulting in abuses a d toxic ways of thinking that can cascade and result into unfavorable outcomes e.g. the Eugenics movement and how that led to certain people believing that certain individuals should not procreate as society would be better off if they didn't (This is a gross oversimplification of the effects of the eugenics movement, but you're free to read up on it if you want).
That's where honest debate and intellectual honesty has to come in. No one person has all the answers as life and humanity are so complex, its not even funny.
Very interesting perspective. Nothing is as black and white as we want to make it seem. Humanity is too broad and complex for us to try and categorise things so simply
Phenyo…is my People I resonate…what he just explained…is the my involuntary projected path I’m being led to…the work has already begun…causes sleepless nights…it’s kinda abstract and unchartered but it intuitively on point…
This conversations are next level. Mindset preparations for the next century of world dominations as a people
Im so tired of this dude decorating his flaws.... no one wakes up and decides to have six kids with 4 different women🙄🙄
I agree, I think over time he just found a way to make it look "okay" even though it is not, his ego is too big to acknowledge that he messed up.
Well articulated 😢, very sad to watch
Agreed! Kids need their parents time and affection but making too many robs the kids of all that including love. This guy is just missing the point
This is a guy who believes that he is God guys😢. He is getting way tooooo much attention. He has chosen a radical mindset to make his brand.
😂😂😂😂😂 I'm sorry that my life choices bug you 🙏🏽
Am I the only one who felt like the episode is too short😢
Huge huge S/O to #The_Conversation_Capital and #Penuel_the _black_pen🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🙌💯
Fantastic conversation
I don't think I've ever agreed with anything Penuel believes but I agree with him here on the elite not wanting competition and as a result talking "clever blacks" out of having children. If government played it part and the full responsibility of raising kids wasn't only on the parents then people would have more kids... Importantly in nuclear families.
Interesting discussion...by extension then, if we view humans as assets, we can place value against them? Determine when that value diminishes, and nethod of disposal?
But this is already in place, an employee is an asset that has value, increases revenue for a business in return for a salary, and when the employee's value diminishes then they get fired
This was such a beautiful conversation☺☺☺
Am with Pen on this one, because the one hardest thing psychologist have battled over the years is exactly how to improve cognitive ability, its near impossible, the hardest part is the "General" ,its called General cognitive ability for a reason,being smart in one area is not loaded on intelligence ,need to be smart in general .
So in a nutshell Penuel is a Eugenist
Literally!
That's definitely me!
Eugenics is based on narcissism, Self given title of greatness. What is sad is that there is no single universally accepted concept of greatness. For example He might think he is great because of his mind and unique way of thinking but some white billionaire with lower IQ who inherited his wealth might think he is a nobody because he is broke and black with nothing to offer to the world. Unfortunately the billionaire has more say and can get rid of him … literally. These narcissistic thoughts breed a lot of hatred , wars and misery in the world. This was true in past with Hitler to current unfolding events in the gencide that is happening with the whole world watching. Yes, it gets that deep. Every major problem we currently face, whether it is racism, wars etc all started in the mind of someone or a group of people and propagated to masses.
I strongly believe diversity is there for us to learn to accommodate each other and help each other where we are lacking. Not to eliminate each other based on abilities or talents or lack thereof .
This is why human beings cannot be Gods because they fail to understand the simple basic concept of balance in our existence. God created equilibrium in the universe because it is necessary. You can’t outweed what you as a mortal human being think is bad and only have what you think is good remain behind . The human mind ( even the so called great minds ) are currently not at the level of intervening in the universe and still maintaining the necessary balance.
Furthermore, There is no proof that eugenics actually works in society long term. In fact recorded history has shown us that every attempt at eugenics has not worked thus far and instead ended in disaster simply because it violates the natural order of things. It is a bad and dangerous idea , one that has to be stopped in its tracks.