Sub-postmasters expose Post Office Horizon scandal in Select Committee
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- Alan Bates and Jo Hamilton gave evidence to the Business and Trade Committee earlier this week on their treatment as sub-postmasters during the Post Office Horizon scandal.
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We need criminal prosecutions now.
oh wow.. look... water is wet also. Imagine that.
My mum was subpostmaster when I was 14, I was bullied in school and would go and help her after school and work weekends and holidays. I'd often have to cook and clean whilst she spent hours in that post office trying to balance on a weds and end of the month, I'd stay after school sometimes to help her try to find shortfalls. Our family was completely broken because of this, my mum had to work throughout her pregnancy with a high risk of pre eclampsia, we were so lucky my brother was born. The sound of the horizon helpline queue music brings back horrific memories for me and I have lost so many jobs since because of anxiety with experiencing working there. She was so good at her job and it angers me so much that we wasted so so many hours over this. Ironically she had to get a post office credit card to fund shortfalls and ate through savings. I hate that she gave everything to the community with an evil corporation hanging behind her shoulder every day.
Sorry to hear that. As a taxpayer I would be very happy for you to claim compensation for your childhood trauma. The taxpayers will be footing a lot of the bill, we should be standing behind the little people and prosecuting those who have done wrong in the name of the state.
It's things like that show just how clearly there have to be custodian sentences. If the heads at the top that knowing pushed for this don't do time, then every comp in the UK is going to be looking to pad there numbers in the same way. Only took 20 years for there to be anything meaningful done.
@@DrRogB that's very kind of you to say, thank you. It could well take another 20 years for that opportunity to happen
Sounds absolutely horrific. So sorry to hear that. Justice must be done
@DrRogB I hope fujitsu will foot their fair share of the bill before the taxpayer, but 100% agree
MP Andrew bridgen & MP Arbotnott are heroes for raising this in parliament & still post office kept lying
Criminal action needs to be taken against the Post Office and Fujitsu.
I feel Fijutsu were bribing staff to save their system within the Post Office, I see no other reason why the Post Office would have got to such lenghts.
I will never get over the post office scandal.
It's too evil to comprehend.
And the NHS and the railways and the Hotels and the industry and , and , and
how did it affect you on a personal level to cause you to have apparent lifelong PTSD?
Never getting over the anger is not claiming lifelong ptsd! a lot of people are understandably angry and always will be.@@DAGATHire
@@WendyJones-zx7is Take a pill, Wendy - this is ENTIRELY different.......OBVIOUSLY !!!!
Mr. Bates is a legend
Should be knighted
The Post Office have been guilty of serious psychological and mental abuse of the sub-postmasters. Surely they can be charged with a criminal offence for that?
Police are investigating what they can be charged with but said it will take two years 🤣
And ironically the police computer system is a fujitsu one
They are the elite, I wouldn’t expect any charged to be made against anyone, in reality the Post Office board even the current one should be in jail, Post Office staff like investigators should be jailed, Fujitsu board last and ore sent should be jailed, Fujitsu staff like those lying on the helpline or accessing Horizon systems and fiddling figures illegally in jail, the judges who sentenced the Post Masters and Mistresses with little to no evidence and no independent evidence in jail, several MPs should be jailed too for ignoring this or being too incompetent to do anything about it.
All we will get is ‘lessons will be learnt’ and ‘we are very sorry’ and Fujitsu paying SOME of the compensation, but I guarantee not all compensation owed will ever be payed.
That’s the elite established UK for you, corruption is pretty deep and a daily occurrence and has been for decades. I mean look at it now, all we have is a select committee looking at it, but they can’t put anyone in jail, all they can do is find our facts already known, this should be a major Police investigation under criminal law into the hundreds of people involved. With some already arrested under caution.
@@jemorroidskp Fujitsu, who bought up the old British ICL, are very deeply embedded throughout government. I personally dealt with them on work for both MoD and HMRC. There's many, many systems they have produced and/or support and quite a few are questionable.
No, it's owned by the government and it shits on anyone it chooses, whichever political party is in power.
Paula Vennells needs to be jailed, this is outrageous
The irony that MPs who did nothing to hold the post office to account until ITV highlighted these cases is staggering.
No one should be satisfied until people are in prison..
Where WAS the money....where were the mink coats, the exotic foreign holidays, the fancy cars, the expensive jewellery...? There WAS NO missing money except the money the post office stole from the victims.
basically the courts failed to ask this simple question!
basically the courts failed to ask this simple question!
The stench of this symbolises the British establishment. The little people must doff their caps while the powerful rule with operational incompetence and arrogance. It's also important to follow the money: dodgy donations, etc? As an IT project, this was an example of corporate power and professional ineptitude, with opacity protecting personal and corporate interests.
Without knowing the details, it seems on its face like this subpostmaster system is designed on purpose to be a terrible franchise system to screw over ordinary people. I don't understand why they're not employees.
Part of the issue, stemming from your comment, is that the vast majority of MPs have chosen to take degrees in the humanities, politics, philosophy or economics. They haven't taken really hard courses in the sciences (including computer science) or aspirational, empathic subjects like the Arts. The result is, combined with public school education, a production of a vast number of entitled and poorly educated idiots who can barely switch a computer on (and in the case of several Tory MPs only for pro in Parliament).
We need more scientists and artistes in Parliament along with a whole lot of them grounded in living in everyday society. In no way am I saying that people with no degree shouldn't be in Parliament, far from it - we need good people who represent the whole of society.
It would do most of new MPs a world of good to spend a month working on the shop floor , down at the docks , gutting fish or any form of low paying job. A month's dose of reality as lived by the majority of the population.
I think one thing we can be sure of is that no UK party had a clue about technology, and they are making the laws around AI! I shudder for the future over that one.
Its b3coming like that, a moneymaker for someone somewhere this is why all the secrecy,
Finance redress should be provided even when the psotmaster/mistress has passed away. the impact was not just on them but their whole family.
Does anyone else feel the post office is just playing for time in the hope that enough of their victims will die so they can say how saddened they are but escape paying money back plus financial redress
Absolutely agree with this, and we've seen it before. Totally inept services, money going missing, huge financial deals benefitting government and then decades drawn out with no account for responsibility. They should all receive compensation immediately. Even if this system was governed regionally, there had to have been multiple examples of shortfalls, which should have begged the question what's going on is something going wrong with this system? Clearly there was. Those effected need an apology and payments due to them and their families. Why does it take a documentary to get things going. These people need the justice that they are being denied.
Yes of course they are.
The horizons system is STILL faulty and STILL showing shortfalls.. past week alone two current sub-postmasters have to made up the cash discrepancies… how is this STILL happening!!!!
U are kidding me?
How on earth isn't that system, been shut down.
@@commonsense31 the government use that system, the company provides many systems that are used.
And they don’t really call about the past or current sub-postmasters… they knew all of this, they had the committee open, letters from mps and sub-postmasters… they only care when the public react with outrage… remember this is an election year
Not that I doubt you but could you provide the source for that? Surely the post office is not still pressuring sub postmasters to make up losses without absolutel evidence outside of the horizon system.
I can understand that the system can't just be disappeared immediately, but any errors it throws up should be taken with a pinch of salt to put it very very likely, and any postmaster suspected of theft should not be charged or pressured untill a full investigation (an investigation that should start with the assumption the system is wrong) has taken place.
@@tmarritt it’s in various newspapers where current sub-postmasters are going public with it.
And even in the conservative daily mail published two stories which to be honest I was surprised about - they aren’t even defending them now!
However the amounts ‘owed’ are on a much smaller scale it’s like £100s not thousands I think one story equalled to £2000 over a two month period
They need to bring it to the front stop paying it back this is shocking
Give 900 people wrongly accused £1 Million pound those who were jailed £10 Million ..... then do your enquiry and ask what went wrong.
Sir Wyn, chair of the inquiry has stated that there is no need to delay payment of compensation. The fact that the inquiry is ongoing is being used as an excuse.
Keep telling your story.The ordinary people of uk are with you
Thank you for speaking up
Who thinks it was only the Post Office ? How many private companies have been up to the same mafia tactics ?
The loss of earnings and investments needs to be paid back by those who benefited from this deliberate theft, and I need to see the executives and ministers and anyone else responsible for covering up this scamdal needs to go to jail. Just as they did to the post office masters. A simple outcome.
It’s a perfect example of the elite establishment, in effect the Post Office board stole large sums from its staff which they paid to themselves as bonuses, then to cover their tracks they had the victims accused and prosecuted of theft, all under the eye of the government who are elected to run them.
Absolutely.And definitely.Jail time would be satisfying to see.Justice must always be seen to be done.Not just “lessons learned “nonsense.
Dream on, not going to happen. The victims are on the side of decency, rarely does decency prevail against evil. This is simply fantasy to expect justice to prevail. Too many corrupt judges involved, who could and should have seen the injustice of it all that is their job and they failed and it was no accident.such injustice happens all over the world, do they care, not a chance in hell. If you think the elite are going to fall on their swords think again. Victims date will continue to be victims moving forward that what democracy delivery in all democratic societies. It's not about the victims its about sleeping under the mat not sleeping clean. Anything otherwise is pure fantasy.
Shame on all those who were complicit in this scandal.
Justice for the victims now❤
Paula Vennells and her entourage of thieving liars should all go to jail for a very long time!
I worked in IT for over 30 years and the fact that Fujitsu and the Post Office have LIED about remote access to Horizon terminals makes them both completely culpable in this whole sordid miscarriage of justice. I have done the calculations, and a simple solution to the compensation problem is this: Number of sub-postmasters x average annual income x average years working for PO since Horizon went live. This would give an initial fund of 7,000 x £30,000 x 10 = £2.1 billion. Those 983 sub-postmasters that were prosecuted should also be awarded an additional £100K for pain and suffering. This would add another £98,300,000 to the fund. What's the problem? Fujitsu and Post Office must pay up now!!!!! There is no point in dragging the inquiry out any further as we now know Fujitsu and the Post Office are criminals.
P.S. Also people like Jo and Lee Castleton should be reimbursed for all the monies they paid in making up the shortfalls, and their defence costs.
I agree, also work in IT and if there is a problem with the system you will communicate that with the customer and how we can go about fixing it, the Post Office must have known everything but just decided to do the easy thing and blame the postmasters, sickening
A guy was offered 650k and he said it wouldn't cover the costs over the years including court fees
@@eointhomas2914 "Post Office must have known everything but just decided to do the easy thing and blame the postmasters, sickening" is that what's happened here!?
It's heartbreaking & so very wrong to think of all those people went through, to be prosecuted for something they did not do. Miscarriages of justice on a grand scale.
We do not know how often it is happening.
It's all very well, but that sort of money will completely destroy both the PO and Fujitsu. Together they employ many thousands of innocent people, all of whom would be out of a job through no fault of their own. Of course I want to see proper compensation, but where does the money come from? We need to find individuals in those companies who are personally complicit, and bring them to justice. Hopefully with a prison sentence.
They are saying if everyone is exonerated then some postmasters who were really guilty of theft will be exonerated as well. I don’t care when the Post Office has been proven to be the biggest thief in this whole shoddy situation. Take back the stolen money from the people who benefited from it in the way of huge bonuses. Prosecute the people who covered up the crime.
These subpostmaster are lovely honest hard working people whom the Post Office have hounded in such an abhorrent way it is beyond disgraceful. This enquiry needs to turn the tables on on those who were part of the woeful Post Office prosecution team, many of whom should be going to prison for what they have done
The fact the post office were able to retain enforcement powers after privatisation is in itself a disgrace
Privatisation is a disgrace, to start with.
They weren't privatised. Royal Mail was, but not the Post Office, which remains state-owned and state run... apart from its IT services, which have been run by the private sector (ICL, then Fujitsu) since the 1990s.
@@ftumschktrue but it’s arms length... and still, why isn’t the CPS the only prosecutor?
@@tobeytransport2802 I've no idea, but I think there's a good chance that the PO being allowed to do its own prosecutions will soon be a thing of the past.
@@ftumschk hopefully, and it’s not just them. Anyone can be a private prosecutor, though usually the CPS has the right to intervene while I suppose the post office said no to the CPS intervening because they’re the post office as we saw throughout this scandal, they’re privileged.
Shameful stain on the post office and the government.
So many stains this will be harder to spot
Just another stain on the United Kingdom.
These poor people. They deserve such a lot of sympathy and recompense.
I didn't think so before, but now I'm starting to think the pressure from the British public may leave the justice system no choice but to impose some serious jail terms.
Agree!!! Paula Vennells and her entourage of thieving liars should all go to jail for a very long time!
Yes, somebody needs to be made an example of.
Don’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen though or if it does it won’t be the ones at the top
It's the fact when they phone the compensation lines and it registered, they are offering a reduced payout, absolutely digusting, after causing so much heartache, sorry and distress, after wrongful prosocution
All those who enabled the biggest miscarriage of justice in British history should now be investigated, charged and imprisioned plus pay back any monies they recieved in bonuses etc this includes, the Post Office Board, Senior Managers, Lawyers both Corporate and Public plus MPs holding oversight over the Post Office, there can be nomore excuses or cover ups.
If this happened anywhere else in the world there would be riots, but us Brits just roll over and accept it, and until those with power, wealth and influence are held to account nothing will change, and we desperately need change but there are very few politicians on any side of the house who will want to drive that change unfortunately, they're as apathetic as their constituents who keep them in their safe seats.
Yeap, we have a new party called Reform, it would be a start electing even a handful of them in, but no, all the British will do is vote Labour or Tory and live in misery whilst the elite they voted for live in luxury. It’s why if I ever get the chance I’m out of this country as it’s a joke.
Trust me, no people do not revolt and we should. Check the scandal in The Netherlands “child benefit scandal”. Tax authority was responsible to give money to people who had their kids in daycare. There was a blacklist of those with foreign sounding names, assuming they would commit fraud. The nightmares these families are going through are unbelievable, and although now recognized, no help for the families.
The people who knew it was a computer problem and not a personnel problem should all end up in prison,we have one chance on this planet and these bastards have ruined peoples lives, this is the British system blame the workers and give the bosses a honour!!
I think lottery grants should be suspended until all the wronged individuals have been repaid.
How is nobody locked up yet?? Govt taking time for this to blow over
The more I hear about this scandal, the more I'm shocked. It truly is outrageous that it's still not be resolved. These poor people are owed a small fortune and that still won't mend the harm that was done to them!
Post office management needs convicting themselves for criminal behaviour for what they did to postmasters and then what they did to cover it up. Their bonuses with accumulated interest should be forcibly taken back by government for reparations of sub post masters.
Then the Post Office needs shutting down and the government should set up a new public service.
The Postmasters Federation should have been the first to recognise the nationwide computer errors, and advise their members the postmasters, that they were not the only ones to complain then represent and defend them with their lawyers.
And also demand serious negotiations with Post Office to address the problems.
But your making assumptions that the very well funded Federation/Union has any level of Human intelligence within it......
How do you compensate for not being able to give your children a holiday because crooks have taken all your money?
MPs are only acting now because the cat's out of the bag.
Jo Hamilton is a courageous person. In 1998-2004 there wasn't a person in the UK who used a PC who had not experienced the blue screen of death - [windows98/windowsNT etc]. There was not an office in the UK which was not acutely aware of this unstable operating system. If the Horizon terminals were not falling over and having to be re-booted everyday - this would have been a major item of news. To think the post office could avoid this is laughable. Without custodial sentences for the perpetrators of this conspiracy - the UK will become more lawless. At the time, if the post office had gone to apple and asked it to develop 'Apple for Post office' - they may indeed have had a stable system but this would have been expensive and post office were already trapped in a toxic relationship with Fujitsu. It was a hoax, perpetrated by Post Office leadership and it was carried out 2000-2010. A ten year fraud/extortion operation.
I watched it all last night/morning in floods of tears,,,,, took me that long to have the balls to see, a subject that I had been through with mental health breakdowns and all the losses shown ? the first time, BUT,,, I'm also glad for the adverts that gave me time to compose myself, well that and the pause button, I DO HOPE IT HELPS PEOPLE TO WAKE UP at least a little....
And let's not kid ourselves - The Ministers who created the injustice and protected it's continuance whilst in office are equally to blame.....
Has any media inquired as to how much money Post Office wasted of tax payers on the prosecutions? I can’t see that this has even come up as a query yet. Continuing the prosecutions knowingly was not only a known misuse of tax funds but a horrific injustice to the rights of the postmasters/postmistresses.
I LOVE Alan Bates- HE TELLS IT AS IT IS and does NOT SUGAR COAT his words and NOT APOLOGETIC!!!
Cruelty is astonishing and no empathy.. Made people think they were off their head.
I hated how Jo Hamilton was portrayed in the drama. She was portrayed as a country bumpkin character when she’s actually a very smart, articulate woman.
It goes without saying that all this shit is awful, people need to be held accountable.
All the subpost masters wanted in the moment was someone to say, yes we are having multiple complaints about the new systems, please do not sign anything, we'll will revert you back to the old system, the post office will send over a written acknowledgement of what is going on as we work out the kinks in the system. Is that so fucking hard?
Remember this was going on under the Labour party's watch for 11 years, and Keir Starmer was Director of the CPS from 2008 to 2013, and yet he says that he did not know about the scandal, Really Mr Starmer?
The point about the post office prosecution's was that they never got referred to CPS. If they had the cases would have come under public scrutiny much earlier.
You are wrong, yes was known by them and Starmer is being a Teflon, so get you head out of his backside , just like he has dropped all the promises he made to elected a leader of the Labour party 😒
4 P’s - Persecution, Profit bonuses, Pensions then off to Prison.
...... and the taxpayer will end up paying for this.
All those bonuses should be taken back.... yet again, we pay for failures whilst the private sectors gain.
We all know what happened now, why haven't these people been paid back?!
Our taxes are used to fund wars and to subsidise MP costs, I'd sleep much better at night knowing it went towards paying these poor people back.
This is horrific! 20+ years, countless lives ruined and they're still being gaslit.
There will never be a conclusion to this scandal no matter how many parliamentary select committees you may want to have I feel they are a waste of time.
why? Well because it will drag a lot of MPs into the scandal . Who were well aware of the situation but did nothing. Will any MP, horizon official or post office executive go to prison for what has happened? My honest opinion is it’ll never happen and you can bet you bottom dollar they will keep dragging their heels on the subject of compensation
The asylum stops functioning properly once the lunatics are allowed to run it
One of the lesser talked about this scandal was Fujitsu's help line. They had restructured their tech support so their top employees went from dealing with highly technical support for corporate clients to being demoted to work along lower tier employees. Unsurprisingly the rollout of Horizon left a lot of people confused, from people who had never used a computer before to people who couldn't get the system to work. The Fujitsu tech support didn't just resent people who couldn't understand the system they were also racist. People would say things like "I have another scamming Patel" about people trying to figure out why their system wouldn't balance.
I used to work on a completely different Fujitsu service desk for one of their contracts and one of my colleagues was an outright racist and misogynist. He once called one of our other colleagues a slut, once stated he wanted to work on Border Force do he could "stop people coming into the country" and once laughed at the idea of Black History Month because he believed that, and I quote "Black people don't have any history". His desk was in front of management who would have overheard all of this and he was reported to management many times. It wasn't until he got caught call avoiding that he was fired.
Unbelievable they got away with it!!!! It's criminal how much suffering they inflicted on their workers and families!!! The law is broken!!!!!!
This scandal is a national disgrace. Those post office officials who presided over this must be brought to justice
Paula Vennels should go to prison, pay back all pay and PO bonus payments and be shown for the person she really is. Not a Christian.
Edit: Plus every penny stolen from the postmasters should be immediately repaid before interest losses are calculated. After all when calculating interest the credit card interst rste should be used at 22% minimum as this is what the postmasters would have to pay oncelk their money had been stolen. They were left living on credit cards!!!!
When will the police make any arrests?
Sometimes you see a situation more clearly from a distance, so on that basis I venture to make the following comments:
-It will become harder to recruit sub-postmasters after the way they have been treated.
-Over 900 sub-postmasters were collectively accused of misappropriation of funds amounting to malfeasance all around Britain at around the time, an event which on this scale had never happened before. Didn't anyone in authority make the connection between the introduction of Fujitsu's Horizon software and multiple cases of previously honest sub-postmasters essentially being accused of theft?
-The parliamentary bill for a blanket exoneration of sub-postmasters, while justified and long-overdue, does put judges that brought in guilty verdicts in an invidious position. Their decisions have been arbitrarily overridden and their integrity undermined, thus bringing the criminal justice system into disrepute. Some might posit, "What if there were a handful of postmasters who really were guilty?" After the way the majority have been treated, I say say "Suck it up, HMG".
Jack, the Japan Alps Brit
Even if every affected sub-postmaster is awarded compensation 10X the amount that the PO took from them, if the PO managers responsible for this receive no custodial sentences, then justice will not have been served. These criminals knowingly destroyed the lives of hundreds of innocent, hard-working and loyal employees just to save face. They have blood on their hands. If they don't serve time, then I'd support retribution by any means. I'm surprised they're not all on their knees begging for forgiveness from the wider public, let alone those who's lives they ruined.
The Leadership of the Post office. Needs to find themselves a good Criminal lawyer.
Anyone who had anything to do with Hiding the evidence, making sure it didn't come to light. Will need a really good lawyer.
They need to go to jail.
I've been watching the enquiry - some of the live videos. The whole escapade is a National disgrace. The Post Office has utterly trashed its reputation - it's unforgivable. As an accountant whom started work in the 1970's pre main computerisation I know accounting records - manually as well as now through computerisation. So a member of the population pre-computerisation that has come through computerisation. The utter mess the P.O . has been in for years and what it has done to these Postmasters and Postmistresses is beyond forgivable. Now we hear it maybe even more than the Horizon system but other earlier system/s.
My mother used to work in a Post office pre computerisation - it's hard work She worked tirelessly. Thank god pre Horizon system or any other badly implemented and run computerisation system of the P.O.
This is what happens when public services are privatised and the power to govern the country is handed to the Tories.
The Post Office was not privatised. It’s sole shareholder is still the British government.
THATS his point m8 they gave it to themselves @@torres1266 its actually ours
@@torres1266Very misleading comment - it's been a limited company since 2001 so while it is "owned" by the British government, it has plenty of private investors as shareholders. You might be getting it confused with Royal Mail.
@@torres1266 It was privatised in 2001. You realise what "shareholder" means right? You do understand that a government can privatise the company and still be a major shareholder right? When a company has shareholders it is no longer a service owned by the public.
@@TBakerXDNo, that’s not true. Royal Mail was split from the Post Office and privatised; the latter still does not have multiple private shareholders, as you claim. To suggest otherwise is giving a free pass to the consecutive Ministers who oversaw this scandal and did not intervene.
She might not believe she's worth getting some form of justice. That is what depression does to someone
The money has disappeared into a software system. Surely inland revenue have an obligated interest in this case?
The completely wrong people were given prison food.
Gas lighting? Try NHS. Maybe it's form in every British public-institutional environment?
It is time for accountability..long past time..how dare the P.O. treat people like this...
I am so deeply sorry Alan and Jo and all your colleagues. There is so much corruption.
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Ppl need to be jailed !
But the Post Office is owned by the Government so no justice will be served. Some people will be paid out and no one will take the blame since the head of Royal Mail left in 2019 when the shit hit the fan in courts.
Fujitsu need to be fined hundreds of millions for the pain, anguish, mental issues and suicides caused by their mistake.
Post Office and Royal Mail are different. Post Office is owned by the government, although it has its own independent board, making it a separate and unique business.
The Post Office Board holds responsibility over the operations of the Post Office. This means that the Board can freely focus on growing its own revenues without completely relying on government funds in the future.
Post Office Ltd became independent of the postal service Royal Mail Group on 1 April 2012 as part of the Postal Services Act 2011. The UK government had initially retained a 30 per cent stake in Royal Mail, but sold its remaining shares later in 2015, ending 499 years of state ownership and becoming privatised after the Post Office detached from this.
Your post office is a private business!?! That makes the United States seem advanced. What party privatized the post!?
@@brentbeacham9691 The post offices aren't privatised. It's only mail delivery that's been handed over to private companies: Royal Mail, UPS, Deutsche Post, Hermes, Evri, etc.
Ive watched quite a few of these things and Alan always comes over as the only person who fully understands what is happening. As i said elsewhere Alan should be in the Lords or even an MP amazing man.
Deserves a knighthood
Compensation yes, but importantly repayment and justice. Its pure thievery and corruption.
It’s not difficult to calculate the ‘compensation’. Pay back what the post office individually robbed from the SPMs and then pay one million to each SPM NOW!…Plus grovelling apology from the PO. Then fire all PO managers and reorganise the new PO, no previous senior management allowed in to the new PO. Then court cases dealing with politicians such as Blair, Cameron, Davey, Cable etc with penalty of prison plus heavy fines for their negligence and failure of duty of care.
....I’m going to swear.... It’s a FUCKING ABSOLUTE DISGRACE....
Unless fujitsu is fined to bankrupcy by this, and responsible leadership are personally fined, it wont be enough. Not only should the post masters receive significant reperations, the country should get its money back, because this must have had a noticeable negative impact on the ecconomy.
Poor innocent people. Hope justice stands with them. 😢
It is disgusting the way the sub- post masters were treated. The Post Office have ruined their lives and in many cases stolen their life savings. I commend them for continuing to fight. Sadly what is morally right and wrong does not seem to be part of corporate ethos anymore, just profits and shareholders.
The Post Office should continue to use their "power to prosecute" by prosecuting most of the individuals that have given "evidence" at the inquiry.
There needs to be criminal investigation into Fuji & post office. Unfortunately the board will keep their money for this
Gullis trying to be sincere is sickening.
How about they give them each a million pounds now, and then haggle over the details later?
Gas lighting really is awful to face.
Far far too much of it about.
Because of compensation culture. Far too few people willing to hold their hands up and say look we got this wrong. We need to put the situation right.
Rather than accept responsibility they try to cover their tracks. Even at the expense of making and honest person out to be of an unsound mind. It's a very negative aspect of compensation culture.
Law is bent out of shape.
ive been through mediation after being unfairly dismissed from work, it destroys you! its the gaslighting and the feeling its all against you that hurts the most! the government said take the smallest amount of loss of earnings they can get away with then p'ss off or we'll tell the judge you obstructed the court!
The bonuses given to the post office thief's for getting a prosecution should be returned to the people who were prosecuted....
I'm thinking - all monies lost and loss of earnings (together with the loss of lease time) calculated at high interest rates from the time of loss (including things like the current valuations of houses that were forced to be sold, interest payments on loans etc.) along with a substantial amount of money for pain and suffering, emotional impact etc., family members a substantial fixed amount (regardless of age and including family that doesn't live in the same household), additional loss of a family member due to suicide (perhaps £1 mill and an additional amount for lost earnings and pension), and diagnosed mental health issues in the family (regardless of whether created by this problem or not).
Thinking that could be a reasonable start.
The postoffice stole money off subpostmasters. Call it what it is.
Like the man said how can you put a price on a life ruined' & in some cases lifes lost ???
… and suddenly, everyone wants to hear their histories. I have the strong feeling that they are not going to see real justice, none of the real responsible are going to get the jail time they deserve for knowing and hiding this cases. Ed Davey is one of those that is going to walk free when he doesn’t deserve it
Why are people highlighting only Ed Davey? The tories(perhaps your friends) have had power since 2012 and only got off their backsides after the tv drama. Then their media friends are saying it’s Ed Davey only. One even says it’s Tony Benn’s fault from when he was minister in the 1960s & 1970s! GASLIGHTING!!
@@glenwooded8523 Ed Davey Is an example, there are many other responsible for this, even Prosecutors and Judges that knew about all of this, Tories, even IT people at Fujitsu. That is why I feel that they will get no real justice, too much people in power with the capability to throw all of this under the bridge.
Jo and Alan my heart ❤️ goes out to you both
Why is it always the "little people" who get shafted by this government owned business . The Post Office thought they would be exempt from prosecution and it took a TV drama to focus minds in the House of Commons.
5 million for this lady
If this doesn´t end up with serious jail time for the culprits, GB can officially be declared a failed state.
People whose past away there families should get the money
If they had a real trade union it would never have happened! The people responsible for the parts of this need to go to prison, otherwise it happens again. As for management bonuses? Wherever money is paid greed takes over and empathy, compassion and fairness take a back seat!
Criminal Lawyers will advise the accused of legal-court issues, but not strategy, however the Post Office would have a large team working with them on strategy, the Post Office got 100 million of Tax payers cash from the Government to prosecute and defend against these so-called accused. Iam surprised that these "formally accused" sub-postmasters will remember 1/ when they made phone calls and exactly what they said 2/ what emails they replied to & sent 3/ what formal meetings they had & who was in them. The list goes on, I suppose "accused" made a diary/schedule
A monumental disgrace!
If my father mother had past without getting the compensation I would be suing the government cause I had to watch my family suffer and I suffered with them.
No question, for those who have died, compensation should go to their estate. Their families also suffered emotionally and financially.
Same old thing but lesser scale everyday in companies. How many times does the supervisor or manager act corrupt and when do what they want when it suits, if you have a problem they just ignore you.
At least a million pounds each paid by the sale of the post office
It is not compensation because the Post Office has their money and the interest and profit from it. They should get back their money PLUS damages and compensation