What's Wrong with Logic on iPad?
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- As you may know, I'm a big fan of Logic Pro on iPad. It's an app I wanted to exist for years, and I'm very happy it does now! But it's not perfect, so lots talk about the issues and what I'd like to see fixed.
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Kind of a catch 22 in regards to desktop plugin availability on iPadOS unfortunately.
Companies like Arturia and NI absolutely could make their libraries and plugins work on iPad, but iOS music making is still such a small niche right now that they understandably don’t want to spend time/money developing for the platform.
Smaller developers like Baby Audio and Audiothing seem pretty committed to bringing their desktop plugins to iOS, hopefully if that continues larger companies will follow suit.
Agreed, definitely makes sense! I hope to see it become more normal for other manufacturers to port theirs over, hopefully it can be made easier for them by apple as well
thx for this. I still use drambo, xequence and auria. Finding it hard to try Logic Pro.
Great video. These are all of the things that prevent me from running Logic on an iPad. It's funny that you mentioned Waves... I will never forget that they moved to subscription only, lost a ton of users, and backtracked. I think they'd do it again in a heartbeat if they could get away with it, and I don't trust them. Also, on the Mac, their plugins seem to break with new Mac OS updates far more than other plugin makers. And then you have to pay. Just venting a bit. Love the channel! Very well thought out videos.
Thanks for watching and for the kind words! And agreed on Waves, I have had issues with them for years, their model is already basically a subscription in some ways
I really dislike that I have to use a byzantine workaround to break drummer kit pieces into separate tracks and that that the export options are so limited.
Agree with everything you're saying and I personally feel like Apple created an arbitrary firewall between MacOS and iPad OS. Bringing MacOS apps like Logic to iPad only makes this decision more obvious and honestly stupid. Just let me dual boot between iPadOS and MacOS on a M1/M2 based iPad Pro. I'd gladly pay $100 extra for a new, universal version of Logic that runs on both my Mac and iPad Pro. I cancelled my Logic for iPad subscription when the free trial ended - my fears came true when there was no continuous stream of substantial updates to app. That is the only thing that would make me consider a subscription model. Otherwise it just feels like a blatant cash grab, especially if app is only significantly updated 1-2x a year.
Hey Dylan, superb. Answered a lot of my question marks. I agree, subscriptions are a slippery slope. If you take a look at what A Tasty Pixel has done with Loopy Pro, I think this is the most superior model, where dev and user benefit. For me, there is nothing Logic does that I can’t already do with other apps. And if it is true what you say about the inability to map MIDI controllers, that is the final nail on the coffin for me. Thanks a lot! I always appreciate your depth.
I feel like when developing the app Apple didn’t talk to iPad music makers. They spoke to desktop logic users and ask them. What would they want in an iPad version because it seems like the focus is on the mobility and the touch of the iPad and not just treating it like a usual music making device. Most iPad music makers use external gear, so being able to use a control surface or midi mapping should have been a no-brainer, but a desktop user wouldn’t think that way a desktop user would be thinking. How can I carry the least amount of items while I’m making music on the go?
And to be fair they did really nail the portable aspect! But I’d love it if it also scaled up to a full studio mode for people who want that to
Waves tune real-time would be great to have as a plug-in instead of being exclusively on Cubasis 3! Great video 🎉
Thanks for watching! And agreed! I spaced that it was in Cubasis, cool they already have a port but i wonder if that team paid for exclusivity
Agree 💯 on every single thing you said😊 you make perfect sense dude 👊🏻
Thanks for watching! Glad it made sense 🙏😎🙌
For problem number two at the bottom menu where there’s a little circle button right next to the Peters, are you can hit the circle button and plus it takes you right to the bottom is where all the third-party apps are
Right you still have to go through a list of each manufacturer after hitting the plus sign and then each app is nested under the manufacturer right? That’s what I’m talking about
It’s not there yet. For a touch app, editing any audio is a slow multi menu nightmare. Why there is no clip gain, fade handles on the clips is a massive mis-step.
For a first iteration of Logic is not bad but I HATE the fact I can’t do simple editing in Sampler (adsr filters) but I am hopeful to see a full feature Logic iPad with new IPad Pro this year … This DAW is a game changer thanks to its touch interface
Totally agree with all of this. For me also controller integration and in particular, plug ins. I keep forgetting where to even find them. And my IPad Pro with M2 is way more powerful than my 2019 Macbook Pro and would love my Native Instruments VSTs to work on it.
For how many quick and intuitive ways there are to navigate most of the app, it’s wild how cumbersome getting to third party plugins is!
Auria Pro suffers from the same problem.
I was so excited about Logic on iPad that I sold some items and bought a 12.9" 1TB M2 iPad Pro. The subscription does not bother me, but doing without NI Komplete, Aturia Collection, and all my favorite synths and effects really hurts. I tried using the iPad for developing ideas that could be moved to my MacBookPro, but honestly, it is easier to just start on the MacBookPro. I have hopes that Apple will work towards bridging the two versions so that transition becomes easier. That would give me reason to go back to using the iPad version.
Yeah I think the missing plugins is a huge con, i'm sorry to hear you sold stuff to get the ipad, I hope it gets the features you're looking for soon!
Bro the arturia thing is just an excuse, Ipad os has so many great synth, you just needed to try harder, i forgot about arturia or anything, and i don’t even use synth that much, also there are some arturia synth on ipad , i am more in the » real instrument » area, but i have so many synth, and great one, there are may synth on ipad that could destroy desktop version, just try it…
I’d rather use Drambo than a full featured DAW on iPad.
Fair enough! I want a sea of options but i fully get that view too!
I cancelled my logic subscription not too long after I got it but I was trying to use it more for live stuff with the audio unit plugins from other apps. It kept crashing so I left it alone. I guess it’s not for me right now. I do have logic on my MacBook also but I really didn’t want to use a non touch screen computer for live because I thought the gear I have didn’t have enough assignable controls for what I was trying to do at the time. I’m not a big subscription fan either but I think they did give a good price for the year subscription. I really want to go to mobile music which is why I got an iPad for playing out. I thought logic was going to be my end all. 😀 I will try again though before my year subscription ends. I’m still learning so I can’t put it all on Apple.
I feel you, I adopted a rule I read from a commenter about iPad plugins once, if one is consistently crashing it’s not one I ever use again
I think a subscription model for DAW apps is only acceptable if all DAWs use the same open file format. Otherwise you get locked out of your own creations once you stop paying the subscription.
The lack of support for controllers is really a big issue. Playing music and recording FX automation needs to go through a physical interface and the touch screen just isn’t suitable for that.
The first thing you don’t like, is actually the best thing from the ipad os version, because you can just type the plugin you want, so it’s even better than the desktop version.
I totally agree
My biggest complaints are that the audio workflow is garbage and the sub model
While do I have to make the entire track the same stretch mode and why do I have to unflex audio to reverse it, and why do I have to dive through 3 menus to find the reverse toggle?
I actually like a lot of the pen gestures for cutting audio and such but man they make it hard to mangle audio
Also just integrate the file browser into logic natively.
I would argue that DRambo is the best music production app on iPad tbh
The whole idea behind the subscription was constant updates for the iOS version of logic sadly, that never happened not to the extent that it was perceived
… and it’s not going to either! iOS Music makers are such a tiny niche, and low priority for Apple. FCP for desktop even, has been relatively unchanged for years.And FCP users are much bigger market!
Look at Apple TV, it started at 4.99 now its 11.99
This is a good point and worth considering as well!
Every tv subscription app has increased price drastically
I’ve given Apple some slack in the beginning, thinking that its subscription model meant that for its 1.0 product, that we might see frequent updates to the product. I was wrong, I was disappointed, and, for awhile at least, I stopped with the monthly subscription. I hear what you say about the subscription model, and it’s fair. Heck, I’d even throw in, in addition to giving folks the option of either subscribing or buying outright, a “rent-to-own” model that has users go up to, say, the cost of Logic Pro for the desktop, and then continue to use the app without paying any more until a major upgrade release. Regarding MIDI mapping, that should have been an early feature update. Loads of iPad music apps have it, so that’s just a big ask for folks to have to put up without even basic MIDI mapping for a “pro” level app. Personally, the biggest pet peeve is the lack of third-party EXS import. I have those that I use on the desktop version of Logic, and to not that this on iPad was really disappointing. And here we are now, and still no support for that. Oh, and about the idea of third-party universal plugin support, Apple had already made that possible with Catalyst a few years ago. I think that most plugin vendors do not want to nuke their sales and want to keep both its desktop and iPad/iOS versions separate. Otherwise, we would have seen. More of them before Logic went iPad. There may be technical reasons too, but I think that this change, from the perspective of third-party vendors, is not worth it for them right now. Great video, and thanks!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts! And yeah I think the value proposition probably isn't there for developers right now like you're saying. As much as I want the software I use to be on more platforms, if I already paid for it they don't have an incentive to support the ipad unless they make it a separate paid version or enough people stop buying the versions that don't support ipad which probably won't happen
Has Logic Pro on Ipad had any major update yet at all? I've searched all around but could not find any information that they had fixed the annoyances people had with it when it came out
I’d have to check the release notes (I used to do this more regularly but haven’t in a while). I’m not sure if they’ve made any major changes to be honest
Modifier enables you to learn midi mapping :)
you can use modifier to learn midi and use external midicontroller to adjust a parameter in a plugin sound - hope it helps
That’s not the same. Look into cubasis and see how you can literally control your entire daw with your keyboard. Even the interface. I went back to cubasis
I agree with all of these. Particularly the MIDI mapping and the inability to use plugins with logic on iPad: breaking the compatibility of plugins stops me from using it on the iPad for any serious project.
What I was most excited for in time past with the idea of logic on iPad was being able to save them to cloud and swap between the devices to be able to work on things while in the go with my iPad.
All of these points make them non compatible in my mind and I may as well use a completely seperate daw. It’s really only good for making roughs, then bringing them over to the computer to polish and add my sound libraries and plug-ins.
It would be awesome if apple fixed these five issues.
Right? Given that they let people transfer back and forth that really makes the limitations even more noticeable
@@DylanParisMusic absolutely, and since the same architecture is used on the m chips it should technically be straightforward for Apple to solve with an emulation layer. Just like how apps can be installed from the iPad to Mac. There is already a workflow on apples side allowing compatibility.
Paying to come back to your work was a no for me.
I only used it for the trial period.
On the loading of AUv3's, its the same on desktop, so I guess they just wanted to keep the same workflow?
That’s a good call out! I haven’t messed with desktop logic in a while so I didn’t realize! I guess Ableton is sort of similar but it feels easier to get to them with the panel always available on the left
Also hi Mick! Awesome to see you here 🙌🙏😎
@@DylanParisMusic I dont have an iPad anymore, so ahve not used Logic on there. But you talking about how to load AUv3's made total sense to me as a Logic desktop user
That said, its a good call out for Apple, that users might expect a different workflow :-)
@@DylanParisMusicAlways a pleasure! 🙌
Do you know of anyone reaching out to them about the potential of a one time purchase cause I’m ok with $200 to own it. But I can’t pay subscription for something I’m not on everyday like a gym membership. I casually use my music apps. I use maschine & studio one, my iPad is mainly for procreate
This is my attempt to do that, but hopefully others are as well!
I’m assuming they’ll add midi mapping. It’s the biggest issue.
Fingers crossed, seems like a no brainer!
Subscription, it breaks the number one rule. Wait it has no midi mapping 🤦🏼😂🤮 give me back my old original Alchemy!
Yeah they really need to offer a one time paid option!
50€ a year is not alot. and i dont think someone will stick on this app for longer than 1 year. im using logic pro to try out something new and for that price its perfectly fine. better than 180€ for a not full version in fl studio…
I think the subscription will force them to always keep updating it and making it better. I’m sure they are already working on midi mapping and other features. I bet they will announce a big update around the 1 year mark to encourage people to keep their subscription.
Is cheaper and better to pay the yearly option than $5 bucks a month
True if you’re actively using every month for sure!
Can someone tell me if you still can’t resize it to full screen on an external monitor?
You can. Since sometime it is possible. iPad Pro M1
@@jaycee6198 actually let me elaborate just in case, so some heavy duty iPad apps like affinity photo and davinci resolve for some reason can’t/couldn’t (idk about now) be resized to full screen in stage manager *on the external monitor* and when fcp and logic dropped I learned that they were on that same boat so I wonder if that’s still the case now with the 1.1 update
Here’s davinci not being resizable
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@@lamarcabrian they did update logic so it does work full screen in stage manager or at least very big screen, it isn't static scaling anymore gratefully
yooo i didnt watch the vid yet but i heard theres gonna be logic on apple vision pro, not that im getting that. but one day might have a apple vr, who knows? hahahh def cant wait to do DAWS in vr! theres one rn called movemusic xr that i wanna try when i have time :p
I'm so stoked for augmented reality music prod!! Pairing a low latency bluetooth midi keyboard and just using a headset to compose would be siiiiick
I think Apple don't want to compete between Mac & iPad Logic Pros. On iPad it's like sketchpad, simplified version. On Mac - full-featured version. On iPad there's so many cool DAW (-like) apps: Cubasis, FL Studio, Drumbo, GarageBand, Loopy Pro etc.
It's a touch screen version and has loads of features, different to a laptop.. especially Version 2 that comes out tomorrow 13 May 2024, so saying it's like a sketchpad is a massive under representation of it's true power. Even GarageBand for iOS its more than a sketchpad.. sure GB iOS isn't as fully featured but it's still very capable for all sorts of music productions. I use Logic Pro for Mac, Cubase Pro for Mac and GarageBand iOS and Cubasis iOS on iPad / iPhone.
I think you are being a bit unfair to Logic in your first 2 points, what you call midi mapping and how to quickly access auv3 instruments.
Logic does support midi controller assignment on internal and auv3 instruments. Admittedly, not all internal instruments are supported in the same manner, however what has been provided is quite capable. That’s all in the manual. On top of that, the modifier midifx provides another comprehensive level of controller customisation.
For some well written auv3s, it is simple to assign controllers. Korg Gadget, Module Pro and Moog plugins all work very well (albeit slightly differently). Other auv3s can be hit and miss, depending on how they have been implemented.
Also, to greatly simplify and speed up instrument selection, set patch to none on initial selection screen, which will be saved as default. Then, when you click the plus sign for an instrument in the track area at bottom of screen you go straight to a search dialog, which is fast and easy.
Logic was (back in the day) and is (now) an acquired taste. There are soooooo many better DAWs with much better GUIs, even on desktop. Since AIRA is no longer a thing, I get the sense after 10+ years of this grand experiment of IOS music production that DAWs are not considered a worthwhile business venture.
Logic’s plugin browser is one of the worst. I’d prefer it be like Drambo, with everything listed alphabetically. Maybe someday they’ll implement custom folders for user plugin organization. It’s frustrating when you have hundreds of AUV3s to cherry pick from.
agreed!
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Duuuude I’m so stoked for that thing, still need to decide if I’m preordering or not but it looks like a winner!
@@DylanParisMusic I can’t wait dude! Uk is already getting them, I pre ordered on the 17th, cannot wait!!
@MyNameJeff.. what color are you getting? I’m leaning towards the black one
@@DylanParisMusic I wanted to switch it up and get the orange and white, but once I saw the black and dark grey with the orange I was set.
@@DylanParisMusicIf you go orange and white I’m unsubscribing IMMEDIATELY!!! 😉😀
Can’t see your screen man
I just want to make atoms tracks
Nice video brother, but to be realistic nobody gonna pay $200 for the ipad version $70/$100 would be better!
I mostly agree with this but given that apple charges 50 a year right now I can’t imagine them going that low on a one time purchase. Would be sweet though!
Hmm, Apple is an excess of price over capabilities, I have everything and I am disappointed etc. :-(
Subscription is 🤢
Understandable! They need a one time pay option imo
Subscription….no thanks.
This app is just too busy for me snd the subscription is a dealbreaker. If apple would have a one time payment of $99 or even $149 i would consider because you know that the app will supported for a long time.
You can pay $40 a year bro come on man it’s like you didn’t even do any research on the app before you started writing Ping about it kinda lame low-key
49 a year is 50 www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/11/apple-supercharges-logic-pro-for-mac-and-ipad/
I can say 49 next time if that makes it clearer?
i’m ngl, i dnt rlly *care* for this app. especially since i’ve been paying the $5 a month since it came out and i only partially used it ONCE!!!! to me, it’s *not* as intuitive as garageband for ios. and it also *isn’t* as good as logic for macs. yes garageband for ios has a *zillion* things that need to be added and addressed but ITS FREE!
i was *very* excited to pay $200 for the computer logic but this $5 a month jazz for the app is nonsense! the UI or UX whichever one it is, is *not* the best for ipad. i should be able to tap the track and a *horizontal list of options comes up* like in gb ios but the list of options should be *way more robust* because it’s logic.
sadly i can’t use logic on my computer even though i bought it because i have a 2015 macbook with no storage. also sorry if i offend you cuz i know you like this app.😂😂😂if it was $20 one time purchase, or even $50 one time purchase, i might complain less. also i have no choice but to use it now for this specific project because silly gb ios has basic things that are missing like fades.😂😂😂
super fair! and no worries definitely not offended on Apple's behalf hahaha, it sounds like it's not the app you wanted it to be right now! hopefully it gets more features down the line that you like, but voting with your wallet is definitely the move for now!
Apple has such a long road to go down….some of the internal logic plugs look dumb, making them hard to use….not to mention missing features like the entire sampler and the entire alchemy. The quit arrow makes me wanna throw my iPad. The horridly bad ability to load sounds into logic and not only that…to organize them…super wack!
And everybody robs the artist…most artists come up short at the end of the year to be honest
Won’t EVER SUBSCRIBE to ANY app or DAW . Until it’s for SALE I will use GarageBand because logic is just a beefed up GarageBand and that’s it .
That’s easy it’s just an over grown garage band and both are rubbish