Do We Interview False Teachers? Why Remnant Radio Interviews Controversial Leaders!
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- Опубліковано 19 кві 2022
- Do We Interview False Teachers? Why Remnant Radio Interviews Controversial Leaders!
We are often asked, “why do you interview all these false teachers”. Questions, or rather, accusations like these are often lobbed at us because of the false binary pushed by many heretic hunting ministries. Either you are perfectly orthodox or you are a rank heretic. These binaries are further crystallized when we begin to interview those who are often Identified as NAR leaders. However, we think there is a lot more nuance, shades of gray if you will, between a heretic and a sound teacher. Many in the chat, and on our Facebook posts were calling for a public denouncement of Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle, and Todd White. Though we may disagree with these men on various issues, no one on our team is ready to cry “heretic”. So in this episode of The Remnant Radio, we explain where we stand theologically with guys like Bill Johnson, Mike Bickle, and Todd White. This is not a critique of their ministries, this isn't an attack on what they practice, this video is an attempt at an objective examination of their teachings and practices in order to explain why we think they fall under the banner of “orthodox”.
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Such a great episode. I used to call so many people, including Bethel and Todd White, a heritic and am grieved that I did. Thank you all for what you do. This channel is really helping me to be much more open with people I disagree with but who are brothers and sisters in Christ. :) Bless you all! ❤
@Christian, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be quick to listen to his sermons (assuming you're talking about Todd White), and would not agree with what he says. I'm more referring to calling everyone a heretic because everyone else was and the evidence that was shown were soundbites. I agree with the guys at Remnant that as of now I would say his teaching is problematic.
The interview they did with Todd White showed that he's willing to listen to correction, so there's hope there. :)
There has never been a good idea for us as believers to run around denouncing everyone. I think this was one of the big mistakes we have made as the church and this has been the source of many bitterness
It may not be fun or enjoyable, but we do need to call out the wolves and protect the church from them.
The reason I watch you guys is precisely for that very reason, to hear from people you might not usually even lend an ear to, which is why I will continue to support your ministry. Be encouraged that you are doing what most of these people criticizing are afraid to do themselves and that is rightly dividing the Word Of Truth.
Do you guys know Mike Winger? I love that guy. He is similar in his passion for honest healthy evaluation of various topics and teachings.
Mike winger might be my favorite UA-cam Bible teacher.
@@ExegeteAllday he's definitely in my top 5 Biblical YT channels and teachers!His commitment to thinking Biblically about everything (all questions he answers and studies he shares w us) is no doubt a gift from God! If even 25% of our churches had Pastors who took it A seriously as him (instead of reading their own dogma into Bible) the Church would be in a much better state than it is right now. Remnant is in my top 10 for sure!
they've had him on
Mike Winger lacks real discernment. He condemns godly ministers like Heidi Baker and rejects women pastors, you have to question the heart of discernment in such crazy assessments. Some of his videoes are fine but if you are looking for spiritual guidance I wouldn't steer that way. He's good on providing information
@@Liminalplace1 Heidi Baker has issues
I appreciate your show a lot. I stopped identifying as Charismatic about a year ago after being influenced by Word of Faith & NAR teaching for 15+ years. Y’all give me hope for my Charismatic brothers & sisters that they can embrace scripture and good theology. Thanks for having these conversations.
I appreciate your show so much. I do think you guys interview some false teachers but i am glad that you do. You guys handle these interviews in a very loving way and that inspires me. There are times i dont agree with you all but watching how you guys communicate and try to understand folks who you dont agree with is helping me in a big way. Thank you for doing this.
It’s funny you have people who say you go too easy on these teachers and others say you go to hard on them. Thanks for trying to be biblical and wise. I really appreciate and affirm much of what you say.
I love these different graces God has given to us, his church! it gives light to areas that needs to be mentioned or understood.
“A little leaven leavens the whole lump.” There are so many theological divisions in the church that instead of getting easier to discern, it’s getting harder. The enneagram crept into the church and now has taken a seat at the table. It’s sad that it hasn’t been recognized for the Trojan Horse that it is. Its teaching is from the occult but seen as helpful. It’s no different than ascribing to astrology.
Really good point
Awesome episode! Remnant Radio has been a real blessing to me lately. I've been binge watching in the last couple of weeks or so.
This was a insightful, and carefully put critique, thanks for this
This may be my favourite segment that you’ve done (and Sam Storms and Craig Keener are two of my favourite pastor/theologians and scholars respectively - so your interviews with them are hard to beat). I just so appreciated the way you approached the topic with context and proportion in mind. The distinction between someone’s theology and language (and the implications of those differences) is also a great point. Also glad to know that Bickle falls in the staff category for you (reformed requirement aside) :))
On Todd White @27:55: It's good to correct someone in love but to let a person preach to thousands while having a "sloppy" Christology is bonkers. And he have so many issues as you've mentioned, leg-lengthening tricks, Jesus becoming every kind of sinner..And in some videos of him (in many occassions) claiming he have never sinned when he came to Christ (though I can't find a full sermon on it to check it in context - which I honestly think I don't need to)..
The case of Apollos is different, it was in the early church, unlike today that we have all the Scriptures and confessions of the Church. He was also teachable and humble. In contrast to Todd White when he was sent with the American Gospel documentary by Costi, went mad and even called it demonic. He said that he wasn't asked about what he believes when in fact, he declined to be interviewed in it (as noted on the American Gospel documentary at 01:45:54)
I'm watching your stuff brothers (hey Im subscribed) because I want to learn from you on how to have conversations and be gracious and humble to learn from different perspectives. But sometimes, you don't call things as it is and it brings confusion to the audience. Todd White IMO, is a false teacher and should not be endorsed and should be labeled under the category 'dangerous'.
Todd White is essentially an evangelist!
@@cramster1 no he is not. St Peter is.. and others are Billy Graham (in his EARLY days) David Wilkerson, Leonard Ravenhill, Adrian Rogers, Paul Washer, Voddie Baucham and all the humble street preachers who call people to repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. Not telling them that theyre awesome and loved by God while God's wrath is upon them.
Thank you for seeing these people as people and Gods children and taking time to dig into their ministries to learn more before you come to a blanket view.
I was at a conference and Todd White said “I believe God is going to heal people of a certain thing.” I had been dealing with that for 14 years and a week later it was cleared up and hasn’t returned. Maybe Todd doesn’t have everything correct biblically but to say he is a false anything… how do I not believe the miracle that happened to me? No doctor was able to help me. I thank God for using Todd White all the time.
@Christian nothing I said implied differently.
God can heal anyone anywhere. That does not take away the fact Todd is a false prophet who is constantly deceiving people.
@@ShepherdMinistry good luck in life to you.
@@chrisbartell5898 He’s on video lying about lengthening people’s legs. Yet you support him?
@@ShepherdMinistry maybe you should join him on a mission trip to see for yourself instead of just judging it based on a documentary or whatever other hate spewing modern day Pharisee you listen to and regurgitate
Would love to see an interview with Mike Bickle! I so deeply appreciate him.
Or anyone on ihopkc staff please...! You don't pray for 22 years straight on your own strength!
Concur!
On one of their last shows they said Josh is planning to interview Mike during the Send in May.
Corey Russell, Allen Hood, David Sliker, or Stuart Greaves would also be fantastic to interview. Allen Hood and Corey Russell are no longer on staff but are very much still involved with the family at IHOPKC.
Mike Bickle is incredible.
Thank you for interviewing Randy Clark. I'm hoping that folks not pleased with this interview will try to put themselves in your shoes: If each show becomes a hit piece, you would never get these leaders to come on! And word would immediately spread, "Hey, stay away from those guys! They intend to do an ambush interview with you."
Josh has made it clear the lengths he's having to go to (sending them an advance copy of the show for their pre-approval) just to assure them they will be treated with respect.
IMO the Randy Clark episode (and Todd White) were very revealing. We heard them...in their own words. I know of no other show doing exactly what RR is doing!!
I'm doubling my monthly Patreon support.
Thank you for that! That was encouraging!
@@michaelmiller5024 Incidentally, my wife and I enjoyed meeting you and M. Rowntree in Orlando a couple weeks back.
Enjoyed your discussions ... God bless your ministry
Great episode. Wondering what you guys think about ministries like Upper Room, Jesus Image, Legacy Nashville? Thanks
Thank you for addressing this so well. It's always scared me to see how much the terms false teacher, false prophet, etc. are just thrown around...it's as if those people forget judging is a two-way street; those who are quick to use those judgments are also judged with the same ferocity in the Kingdom, and I can pretty much promise they won't bear the weight of it in the long run. This is why invariably those heresy hunter ministries descend into nothing but bile and bitterness, and end up being a cancer in the body of Christ. Like they said in the video, there is a time for those strong labels to be used... but you better be dang sure you're justified in using it and it wasn't because of hearsay.
Can we get a video on Roundtree's eschatology? Here or on Patreon (how about a Q&A?) An update on his book would certainly be welcome too. Where/when can I purchase/pre-order?
Hey man! Thanks for your interest. Great idea about an update on Patreon.
I have a first draft thru Rev 17. I’ll do chapters 18-19 in a single chapter, then 20, then 21-22 in a single chapter. After that, lots of editing and figuring out the publishing world.
The move to OKC has slowed my progress a lot bc it’s been so much, so fast. But I have continued to be disciplined and write at least a little most days.
Thanks for checking in about it. Pray for me :)
I've been listening to Todd, Bill and Mike for about 5 years now and never once questioned the divinity of Christ. My main takeaway has always been "Lord teach me to have a heart that burns for you like this". If our hearts don't burn for Jesus, we will take every teaching out of context, even scripture. I fully support sound theology which is why I listen to you, but theology without love is a clanging cymbal.
@Christian I agree, most Christians I know don't have good foundations and it's a problem. I was blessed with a Baptist background and learned Bible history and hermeneutics, but I was joyless and didn't understand why it was good news until the Charismatics taught me about God's love and power. We need both, we need the whole body to work together.
Even when I was a Pentecostal, I couldn't listen to someone like Bill Johnson. His type of teaching is why Derek Prince stopped calling himself charismatic/Pentecostal towards the end of his life.
@@heatherkerr7254 They are not teaching biblical love by lying about what Gods word says. These people are constantly giving out false prophecies making them false prophets that should be marked and avoided. Don’t let emotions blind you to their unbiblical ways.
@@ShepherdMinistrywhat false prophecy has been made by Bethel? Curious if you could bring one up.
@@dandugo2020 They teach how to become a prophet in their school. Search on this site “Bill Johnson teaching students to falsely prophecy to learn.”
Remnant Radio, Just wondering what Y’all’s definition of Gossip is and what y’all do to avoid it?
So grateful for Discernment and Sanctification
Thank you for this!
When Todd White was on your guys show I wish you would’ve asked him why he made fun of Paul the apostle, and called him bipolar and much worse in front of the whole congregation. Because of how Paul spoke about how the flesh was weak and how he battled it, and Todd white thinking he’s sinless since becoming a Christian said that Paul went bipolar while writing Romans.
Would you guys happen to have, or be able to point to, a master list of theological terms and definitions? 😊
You guys are so awesome and so balanced... You believe the best, listen to both sides, but also stand for truth. You guys are right on target with how Jesus taught to judge other believers and teachers ❤️🙏🏼
@AdamFontenet how so exactly? lol they line up everything with the word of God, and test the spirits. They break down and analyze each side. They try be charitable, and believe the best based off what the know.
Hey guys, I love your ministry and the work you are doing.
I continually struggle with your softball approach with poor teachers. From my perspective, if people are making millions of dollars spewing poor teaching there is a big problem you are not calling out. Let's use Todd White as an example. You called his language messy. He says things regularly that can be taken as heresy by people without a solid Biblical understanding. What qualifies a person like this to teach? That is a major problem that NEEDS to be called out. These people need an education. They need maturity in the faith. Thank you for speaking to those points today. This needs more focus.
Jesse the fact is Todd is an evangelist who is also used by God in healing, so he is being used as a conduit for freedom and healing. Plus he has a humble spirit. Why don’t you pray for him instead of criticising. Bless you my brother
@@cramster1 I do pray for Todd. I have been at conferences he has spoken at. I own the "Holy Ghost" movies. But, I have to be honest, the only time I have ever heard Todd actually share the Gospel in a coherent way and not just settle for saying "God loves you man" was in his ill-received repentance sermon from a year and a half ago.
A lot of people I know, family, friends, etc have taken his sloppy and poorly understood teaching and ran with them. I have personally seen a lot of heresy come out of it and it has caused a lot of pain and a lot of time to lead people back into Biblical truth.
More harm than good it sounds like. AND it sounds like we’ve placed an importance on healing and abundance more than spreading the GOSPEL which is the POINT of being a disciple, a Christian, a lover of Jesus in the FIRST place. But we’ll settle for soft handing the false teacher if they can magic trick somebody. You ever wonder if it’s not even GOD but some other spirit helping them transform and heal? Maybe the same spirit that causes Todd White to lie about healing legs? why are we so gullible and lovey dovey to people who enforce FAITH IN THEIR MINISTRY over FAITH IN GOD?! Are we BLIND to the work of SATAN? The very opposite of the Holy Spirit is conceit And drawing attention and love to yourself in a sinful way rather than drawing it back to Jesus. How is humility such a surety on a liar, liars are not of God but of Satan. Read 1 John if you disagree.
Have you guys heard of the Eth Cepher Bible? My father uses it for his Bible. I was curious if you guys could do a video on it or include it in a video. I’m not sure about it and would like to hear other opinions on it.
So so so appreciate this guys. Thank you for this. Bringing together discernment and charity.
Love the podcast and this episode, my brothers. I went to Wellspring for about a year while Michael was pastoring and really enjoyed and benefited from the fellowship and teaching.
I have a question about modalism. After hearing you talk about it I read some definitions online. Someone placed a statement like "Yahweh took on flesh" to be modalist. I have actually spoken this way about Jesus many times, but affirm the Trinity, and have also said that Yahweh is Father, Son and Spirit. Is this messy language? Is "Yahweh took on flesh" modalism? Would love to hear your thoughts.
Hey Chad! Long time no talk!!! Hope all is well.
No, that would not be modalistic. Someone is using the word wrongly. It would only be modalistic if someone understood Yahweh to be the Father, who subsequently manifested as a different “mode”-Jesus. Even then, however, this usage of Yahweh would be incorrect.
In the OT, Yahweh can reference the Father (Ps 2:2), as well as Jesus (Isa. 44:22-25; cf. Phil. 2:9-10), as well as the Holy Spirit (1 Sam 16:14). This emphasizes the unity of God, within the Trinity. The Father is Yahweh. The Son is Yahweh. The Spirit is Yahweh. Yet there is only one Yahweh. Yahweh does not change modes. He is not the Father on Monday and the Son on Tuesday. He is Father, Son, and Spirit, unconfounded as Persons, yet undivided in substance.
@@michaelrowntree2005 Thanks! What you're saying has been my understanding, but that statement I found confused me. Hope all is well with you and your family!
@@chad_stewart doin great! Just moved to OK, really enjoying it
"You can't offend me cause I'm dead"... I kind of get it. With the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and a daily lifestyle of forgiveness / repentance, I have found I don't get offended by what people say or do. It's Teflon - doesn't stick. So, I think Todd means he is dead to self , alive to Christ .
Is he? Is he really separated from the world? Living a new born again life? Really?
Does anyone know if Beni openly repented from her Holy yoga endorsment? Or if Bill commented on that?
Loved the video!!! Thought it was super helpful. One thing I would somewhat disagree with is guilty of association. For example, Todd and Bill clearly have supported Benny Hinn and Kenneth Copeland. Both Benny and Kenneth would fall in the category of false teacher and not abiding in the teaching of Christ. I would say by associating with those guys by allowing them/ affirming a platform would be what John considers taking part it wicked works.
So if I am asked to speak at a Unitarian community and I go there, preach an unfiltered authentic Gospel, and people come to Christ am I “guilty by association?” Where do you draw that line?
@@michaelmiller5024 Hey Michael! I would draw the line when associating becomes about allowing or affirming the platform of someone speaking heresy.
@@michaelmiller5024 for example, Todd white partaking in a Benny Hinn rally or Bill Johnson and Bethel Church giving Benny Hinn a platform, marketing their name on his “ministry” work.
Mike Bickle is one of the greatest teachers alive today!
Agree 🔥
Great conversation. Accusing someone of being a false teacher is like accusing someone of murder. If you’re going to accuse someone of murder, they better have killed someone, or else you’re needlessly ruining someone’s life. People can teach wrong doctrine and still be a brother or sister in Christ. They may need correction but we have to watch our mouths when we accuse someone of something as serious as being a false teacher. The label “false teacher” is very serious and needs to be treated with respect.
This type of behavior of false labeling folks became abundant when Calvinism exploded onto the stage .
Well how about when one teacher says one thing, and a scripture says/teaches the exact opposite… then we mark and avoid properly like the Bible says instead of trying to love them out of heresy because unless they’re OUR pastor or preacher we have no way to give second or third admonition to a stranger. So we simply cut the fountain of false doctrine out of our lives because God INSTRUCTS us to. It’s like dancing close to the fire and seeing how long you can be icy and not melt while proclaiming to be opposite. False doctrine is poison for a reason. And it’s commonly called 1% lies of the 99% truth that comes from their mouth & taints the whole thing (commonly it doesn’t stay 1%)
Not a single person can watch Todd White's leg lengthening parlor trick (total lie and manipulation BTW) and think hey that's Godly and he's real. Not one person with the spirit of God in them. Same is true for Hinn, Copeland, Duplantis, nearly everything on TBN and Daystar. Your blood should be boiling and your heart hurting at the sininister behavior of these ghouls. It's sick how many they've hurt. We should be in mourning.
It's time we begin waking up and naming, exposing, and avoiding these monsters. 26 of the 27 books of the NT pull no punches when it comes to false teachers. That's a LOT of times mentioned. This must be pretty important then to Christ beyond the common sense aspect to include it so many times.
Now, should everyone who has error be labeled a heretic? Heck no. And we're not talking about that. We're talking about a pattern of deception, lying, stealing, hurting and manipulating people for money, then gaslighting them when their cancer doesn't dissappear. This modern theatrical con-artisty didn't originate in Corinth. It started in the US in the late 1800s.
James, as he was carried along by the Holy Spirit, said it best: "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly. We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check."
He is speaking to fellow believers and not speaking to a pack of wolves. Folk would not have entire ministries based on identifying false teachers and false prophets IF James 3:1-2 was taken seriously by those whom God has appointed as leaders/elders over local Bodies of believers. And therein lies another problem, for many in positions of leadership are not called by God to be in those positions in the first place (some are simply 'promoted' to that position because of boldness and gifting in evangelism, healing or some other gift/s).
I was thrust into preaching/teaching out the front of a small fellowship just 2 or 3 years into my walk and should never have been even considered. I did not want to do it but was convinced by the leadership that I was listening to Satan's whispers. I knew where my gifting was and it was not principally in the church - it was out in the highways and byways. I was permitted to stumble in many ways, not keeping myself in check, and (thankfully) removed from that position within a year.
If teachers were as James describes, then we would not be in such a mess as men seek to build their own kingdoms in their own power and therefore - those we are commanded to have nothing to do with - would never get a foothold in any fellowship, let alone any pulpit.
In Acts 20:29 Paul said that he knew that savage wolves would come in after he had gone, not sparing the flock. He was speaking to the shepherds. When he said that some would even rise from amongst their number to distort the truth, was he still speaking specifically about the overseers or did 'from among you' refer to those in the rank and file flock? Either way, or both ways, the shepherds cannot have gone on to do their 'job' properly and still don't today.
In conclusion, we must pray that leaders are given discernment and wisdom. It is sadly lacking and as a result people are walking in the wrong callings.
It’s okay! We are called to judge everything in light of Scripture. Doing that doesn’t make you a bad guy. We are called to call out false teachers - but first to carefully judge whether or not they are false. Truth is what we all seek. Thank you, Mr. Roundtree.
As usual a measured and mature discussion. On Bill Johnson, I'd say the bigger concern is what he lets fly under his leadership, ie lack of discernment. For example, 'The Passion', 'The Physics of Heaven', etc.
Engaging with ideas we disagree with are important. Ideas need to be discussed to be properly criticized. Also ears need to be open and hearts humbled that you may be the wrong one.
💯% you had one on last night in Randy Clark not to mention Todd white 🤷♂️
You guys frustrate me playing ignorant to the fact that these people change what they say or the the meaning of what they’ve previously said based on the negative impact what they said made. Which becomes lying manipulative double talk.
You again , noah.
Videos out there and easy to find
Everyone has had wrong ideas about what God is saying and doing, hence the need for really good quality teachers, if it's important for our minds to be renewed by the words we hear and by that word transforming us so the we might prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God is it goes without saying bad teachers would make that impossible and people need to be able to tell so they can flee from them
I’m so glad you guys did this episode. Yesterday was the first time I watched with the live chat on, and I was saddened by a lot of comments. Very much a lack of charity, which you all addressed. Appreciate all of the work you all are doing!
I understand, but also feel the same way when people say Pharisee, when just holding to a biblical standard set by Jesus. It 100% goes both ways
@Christian I so agree with you on your comment. One problem I am seeing as we are trying to protect correct doctrine is a need for doing so in love. But if someone is using the media to get their theology out there, they should be able to be accountable and loving when people throw out red flags on what they are saying. If the pastor acts arrogant and unloving in their responses to criticism and also doesn’t consider what is being said to them, then this seems to say that they really don’t care about ministering and teaching the sheep they are given. They are more about their ego and agenda.
This video was soo well and so Christ like on charity and grace and being humble etc!! I’m provoked to love other parts of the body like this!! Also I know Michale is pastoring the church in OKC, and know Sam to be reformed, and since they only hire reformed guys m, is Michale reformed/Calvinist Hmm? I never knew that haha.
My comment concerns two matters- Firstly, whilst I find your channel interesting and informative, may I point out that the picture and title of some of your videos is often misleading and actually damaging to unity in the body of Christ. For example, your most recent video with the title “Do We Interview False Teachers?” has a picture of Randy Clark, Todd White and Mike Bickle. Now on first glance at this my immediate conclusion was that you were labelling these 3 brothers as false teachers. Now Jesus said you would recognise false prophets/teachers by their fruit, and that trees that don’t bear good fruit would be cut down. When I look at the preaching/ teaching of these 3 men, I see a lot of good fruit from them, and none of them has been cut down. Also I dislike the way that sometimes when discussing some of those who may have been labeled as false teachers, they are made fun of in your light hearted and laughing banter. Is this kind? I pray that you will consider these comments and in future consider your presentations in a more mature and thoughtful manner. May God bless your ministries in the future.
Discernment definition:
(in Christian contexts) perception in the absence of judgment with a view to obtaining spiritual guidance and understanding.
(In the absence of judgement)
One Timothy three and Titus one tells us that ministry leaders need to be able to teach. I would not say that all of them would have to be theologians in the academic sense, but I most certainly need to be studious and educated, whether formally or informally. They should probably at least be blue collar theologians.
I don't agree with your assessments but I agree with your conclusions.
Great conversation!
Great episode!
Please explain reformed theology. I thought it was just Calvinism but apparently there's more to it.
I wonder if part of how Paul (the apostle) practiced discernment involved considering that *false* teachers tell *falsehoods*? Which is to say, that *lying* might come readily to them when defending themselves? 1 Timothy 5 about the conspicuous and inconspicuous sins of false teachers - *God will find them out*. Do you suppose that means that, before God lays them bare, we shouldn't be making any efforts to do so? Especially when there's plenty of available evidence to cross-examine...
By the way, regarding guilt by association, do people that "discern" by such "charitable" principles just interpret 2 John 9-11 as referring only to a super-specific example?
Absolutely love this
I don't want to sound critical or judging but I do want to share a response to this broadcast. I have thought of you guys as valuable and interesting and informative on issues concerning Christ followers. I think that may have come to an end. I wasn't feeling literally nauseous during the video although my spirit and soul were feeling it. Something has changed. Especially with the blond young man. There is an air of superiority and a (I have the correct viewpoint, and can pass judgement based on that) and just an atmosphere of unrest. I hope this was just a temporary and passing thing because it ruins any effectiveness you may have had, with me anyway. Sorry for the negative feedback. That is what discernment is for though.
It's funny half these people like these three think they understand the scripture so well, when actually they dont an are just leading people to be more confused. Your not the gate keepers of the gospel, pretty sure no one in the body of Christ elected you to tell us who is false an who isn't. Just sad you should be out winning souls an stop worrying about others you disagree with.
This! Well said.
I don't disagree, I don't watch all their videos but definitely get an air of superiority happening when I do..
Whole heartedly agree Rowntree. You all make such great points but I love what you had to say about the head pastor needing to be the teacher/ theologian
The leg lengthening thing is slight of hand, deception. Why excuse that?!?
You would go on the mission field with Randy Clark? What will you say when he suggests that you not preach repentance and have a party of manifestations instead and dare call it the Holy Spirit.
I enjoyed this. I noticed that in Genesis 49:3-28 Israel (Jacob) had appointed his 12 sons to lead 12 tribes of Israel. After generations of growth they were massive tribes, they had issues with one another, some fell into terrible sin and worshipping false gods and so on, others were losing their faith but God kept them on track miraculously. Some got wiped out completely I believe, (I still need to study more) but when you parallel it to Jesus's 12 disciples, they were the heads of the 12 "tribes" or churches of Jesus. So atleast 12 churches that are around today are going through a simular battle with their theology and hermeneutics although their could be more im just comparing for biblical clarity on how we should use the 12 tribes of Israel as a learning tool and Not do what they did, because God was very displeased and constantly had to deal with each tribe individually. And yes the tribes fought among themselves. Just like denominations fight among themselves and it's always bothered me. Because every denomination that exists today is either missing somthing, giving somthing that isn't biblical or sadly is straight up a total cult. Most those died off in the Jim Jones era but they have the ability to pop up anywhere and go underground quick. So this means somthing to me. Where do I go to church? If I go to a denominational church that feeds most of me but doesn't feed a very malnourished part of me that God wants me to use for His glory, then where should someone go? I grew up in a very charismatic pentecostal family from the age of 12. I was taught that if I do not do certain things than I cannot have the Holy Spirit's baptism. I prayed for over years to recieve this gift, I was doing everything biblically and fasting and had hands laid on me and prophesy spoken over me and im telling you, I got the works. Not to mention I'm 4th generation of a line of pentecostal ministers. So the pressure was on me very hard. It never happened though. Im 35 now and finally realized that beating myself up and torturing my self for not getting a gift I begged for, spoke into being, had faith id recieve it, claimed it and was prophesied over to be given it.... was not helping my faith or my walk with God because I stayed frozen and didn't try to grow because I was convinced for over 15 years that I didn't have the Holy Spirit truely operating in me because I couldn't speak in tongues. I believe in the gift, but it's nolonger somthing I'm waiting for to grow in Jesus. But going to a pentecostal tongues speaking church would be very traumatizing for me because a lot of people in that denomination, with all their mind, body spirit, believe that you have to speak in tongues to recieve the baptism of the Holy Spirit and ive lived a life already that wasn't devoted to God over thinking I had to have that gift in order to be truely saved and as proof im serious and have achieved holiness. So there is a lot of trauma that these denominational rules have caused many people because the tribes/churches don't realize we are a gathering of tribes that when brought together, make up the full Body of Christ. Waring amongst ourselves because we do not agree with one another on secondary issues is the same thing the 12 tribes of Israel did and look at them. Only 144 thousand are gonna get saved according to Revelation of John ( if I read that right)
My really long point is I appreciate what you guys do. I think its important for us to not vilify people who give God the glory and know Jesus, His Son, died and was raised from the dead by Him, and all to save us from our sin so we could be reconciled to God. I think it says somewhere that we will be shocked by who we see made it to heaven and shocked by the ones we see didn't make it. Thats scary to think about, what if we all think we are the only "right" church and we were the most corrupt and backwards one? There are only 2 churches that make it. Smyrna, and Phillidelphia. I think this represents the Jewish Christians and the gentile Christians. (Just a personal belief not somthing I'm asserting)
That means to me that no christian denomination is going to be picked, but remnants of God's people will be pulled out of every single Bible teaching, Gospel sharing, Jesus loving church on earth. God says He knows the heart of those who are His own. There is no right or wrong church you can go to as long as you are in a community the loves Jesus, has correct theology and is bible teaching and Bible believing, even if there are a few walking things going on, I promise you, this happens in every church nomatter where you go. No church is a 100% perfect church. But i believe many churches offer many different things for different people by design, because everybody is different and as churches we should realize that we are members of one body but just because my church is not the hand, we can't say we are useless, and we can't say the church thats the leg is less important than us hand churches. We are all important if we are teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and even in churches that screw up, they can be used by God for great things.
Sorry so long. I hope that made sense, thats what I got out of your teaching and thats my view mixed with what I learned today from your video. Thanks guys! God bless you three!
Have you guys ever discussed Andrew Wommack and Charis Ministries?
God changed my life through Andrew Wommack ministries and Charis Bible college, I thank God everyday for this ministry!
Vines actually violates the Chalcedonian definition.
“consubstantial with the Father according to the
Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to
the Manhood; in all things like unto us, WITHOUT SIN; begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead,
So how could we say “Chalcedon never said anything about this?” Yes it did!
This definition deals with Nestorianism and Eutychianism
Just watching this, February 2024.. Josh,
Mike Buckle might be taking you up on your job offer soon.
Was this black and white intro kind of subconscious message to us that this type of topic is not black and white
It could be, but it also could just be that flashback/flash forward trope you see in some TV shows or movies. Even then, that might be why it’s shot like that.
Many different gifts in the body not all are teachers
To make an accusation like this is judgment. Add me to your list too.
Who is the "believers" in Matthew 7: 21?
It seems that they said "LORD, LORD" but HE didn't know them.
Does that mean that they could prophesy and do works of the spirit but not be in CHRIST?
Yes. One essay I read said that the believers who didn’t make the narrow way (He didn’t know them) didn’t make it because they didn’t have agape love. Even Paul says that without love, everything we do is pointless- even martyrdom. It basically goes that, for salvation, you need to be saved by grace through faith. However, that faith cannot stand by itself without works to strengthen it (the works themselves do not save). However, our works do not profit us anything without love- not just any love, either, the Greek word used is agape.
Love -> Works -> Faith -> Grace -> Salvation
Even the medieval church the Reformation reacted to would be embarrassed.
Leg growing is good. I saw a leg grow at the mall a few inches. My friend prayed prayed a Muslim that was wearing a shoe with a huge heel because his leg was significantly shorter by a few inches. It grew out right in front of me. Short leg can give back pain because the weight of the body goes more on one side. Maybe it needs explanation. Chiropractors do similar things without actually growing the leg and they are not criticized.
Based on all your criteria I would then put all cessationist in concerning. They have hurt way more people with there view than your concerns for Bill and Todd
I do want to challenge you brothers in the difference between "error" and "heresy" (maybe an episode idea for you). I hear peopel sling the word heresy around a lot, when in my opinion it is error. Now yes, error should be avoided as much as possible, but it happens and always needs to be corrected. But when I think of "heresy" (which also needs correction of course), it does not and cannot co-exist with the truth. When I think of heresy I also think about how it can prevent and/or effect salvation because of an improper teaching/doctrine which can lead to a skewed and unbiblical identity of God/Christ. Would the certain teachings such as "God always heals physically", word of faith movement, "tongue speaking being evidence of the Holy Spirit" and others be deemed heresy to you guys because these teachings have led to spiritual abuse and theological "crisis" as I like to say? Many times teachers of such doctrines refuse to be corrected - (these teachings cannot co-exist with the truth). Or should we be mindful in saying "heresy" because heresy is often associated with non-believers/false converts - which we want to be mindful of saying? Curious on your thoughts.
I have to say this. A lot of people talk about the gift of discernment. There is no gift of discernment. We should all be discerning. The gift is called discerning‘s of spirits. Both parts are plural in Greek. We should all be able to discern false teachings from the word, but this is a particular manifestation gift. Just had to put that in there because I hear that term gift of discernment a lot and that’s not actually what it is. When does gift or manifestation is an operation, we are discerning spirit, whether there be angels, demons, human spirits, the similitude of God, the risen Christ, the activity of the Holy Spirit, etc. This could be like acts seven and Stephen saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of the father when he was being murdered, or like acts 16 when Paul discerned the spirit in the fortuneteller who was delivered of that demonic spirit, etc. It has to do with the realm of spirit and what is operating in a situation. It is a tremendous gift of the spirit. Discerning‘s or distinguishing‘s of spirits. The plurality‘s can be seen in only a few English translations such as Youngs literal, ASV, the footnotes of the NASB, Etc.
Sorry if you guys wind up addressing him by name, just started listening, but if not, could you please touch on Joel Osteen in particular? I struggle with him and have tried listening to some sermons, but I just haven't really heard him share the gospel. But I'm not sure I can say he isn't saved or is a false teacher. Is it possible he's maybe saved but just isn't really preaching the gospel and perhaps needs some correction? I want to maintain a posture of humility, especially since I obviously don't know him personally. I'm wrestling because there are people I know who I would consider more godly than I who listen to him, and I don't know what to make of that.
The question you need to ask is. Do you feel spiritually fed after watching Joel or others? Does it teach growth? Does it teach the Gospel and not the watered down version. The real Gospel? Hope this helps! 🙂
P.s I think you may have answered your own question! Re-read the last part 😉
I think Charismatics in general show outright love to one another and anyone else. the heresy hunters and cessationist in general don't seem to show much of any at all.. That I believe is a strong tell all too
Savage wolves have come in and they do not spare the flock. Paul warned about this day and night with tears. Remnant Radio hosts try to build bridges with them.
my favorite part of wednesdays
I can't understand why Mike Bickle is in the picture of the title of this video? I'm hoping that he's not been classified as a false teacher 🙂
Watch reveling truths video on mike bickle. It will give you some insight on the problems people have with him. Other than him claiming like all the rest to have visited heaven and spoke to God directly.
Why is speaking to God directly something that Christians think is taboo? You do realize the Holy Spirit is also God, right? Does the Holy Spirit speak to believers?
Also, Isaiah, John, Paul, etc all had heavenly experiences. Is that concerning to you? Do you think experiencing heaven only happens at death and in the Bible?
Satan has to just sit back and watches the church tear herself up.
This is a good podcast, disciplined and humbly offered, but the live broadcasts that have the comments section is really rough....harsh, vain, and sometimes idiotic comments are hard to read....I prefer to listen and not read the live comments
What’s open theism?
Maybe Todd White should get Craig Keener as a tutor
Have you guys thought about doing a video on the love of God. What I mean is, are there churches you feel are taking the love of God too far.
You can correct another believer in Christ and still love them….tough love in Christ is Ok!!!
Grave soaking wasn't an actual thing that happened.
When Todd says he's not offended because he's already dead he simply means what he was taught by his mentor Dan Mohler. He's died to self. "Love takes no offense of wrong doing" Corinthians 13. He's simply saying as Dan has said many times if were offended and upset by others its showing us our flesh is dictating that circumstance. Thus your not walking in the Spirit.
This at best would come down to a "language" issue again. He may not have articulated the point eloquently enough for a seminary grad but that doesn't mean the point wasn't biblical Again in his defense Id say research Todds testimony and his past. He didn't grow up in a Christian home and lead a relatively normal life. He had a really destructive broken life. But God...................................................................................
Have you guys read physics of heaven
That would be my first question. If these aren't false teachers...who is?! Physics of Heaven is.....wooooww.
Bill Johnson has an 18:30 minute video explaining exactly what he meant.
Of course there is no mention of the word homosexual in any of the creeds because the word homosexual did not come into existence until 1891, and then instituted in the medical world until 1893.
Walter Martin, author of _Kingdom of the Cults_,would quote Jude v. 3, "contend for the faith once for all delivered to the saints." There is no new or progressive doctrine.
Romans 1 says it all
I almost walked away from the faith because of Greg Boyd and his open theism. 👎
Todd White yes could have "language" struggles... but one needs to pause and step back and look at his life and where he was right up just a decade ago. Where God took him from and where God brought him into the present. Its part of his personal testimony that he was 100% illiterate prior to opening a bible. Supernatural.
Bill Johnson will only defend his theology in his own program, interviewed by his own staff, under his own roof, with rehearsed questions and answers (and he STILL doesn't properly answer the criticisms). I find the fact that he still hasn't agreed to come on your program is kinda telling in itself. Perhaps you should do a TBC episode on "Can the Holy Spirit be a Blue Genie?" and have Jenn Johnson on. 😉
I wouldn’t read into him not coming on our show. People tend to make decisions based on relationship. We don’t have a relationship with Bill.
@@michaelmiller5024 that's true. didn't think about it that way.
Do a video on that. You won’t because it would be impossible to justify calling him a Christian after. It would switch to wolf.
Hello Josh
NAR?
My heart may be wrong but it bothers me that you guys feel you need to respond to the comments. Every show you play the intro segment that explains the goal of remnant radio. I fully understand that you’re going to have people on the show that not everyone is going to like. That’s why remnant radio is interesting and relevant. The negative commenters can go back to their theological echo chambers
Sounds like we all becoming soft..Luke warm comes to mind...mmm...what did Jesus Christ say about the luke warm church. ?
Why does Jesus say, I’m the son of man, if he’s not man?