CHEAP VIDEO CAPTURE DEVICES: PRICE / PERF TESTING - $15 device vs. $30 device, with Detailed Review
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
- This video compares two of the recently available cheap Video Capture Devices to determine which one has the Best Price Performance. As a know reference, we use the Elgato 4k60 Pro (PCIe) to benchmark the results of this comparison.
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00:04 Introduction to the Comparison of Video Capture Devices
02:16 Box Opening of a Second Unbranded HDMI to USB Capture cards
03:33 Comparison Testing of Two Unbranded Video Capture Devices
05:34 Using OBS to verify Frame Rate Output of Various Video Capture Devices
07:45 Verifying Capture Device Frame Rate using the Open Broadcasting System (OBS) logs
08:55 Using PowerDirector Video Editing software to verify Capture device Frame Rates
11:35 Conclusion of the Comparison of Video Capture Devices
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Thank you! I've been waiting for this!
You are quite welcome. I hope you save some money getting whichever one is cheapest in your area.
Excellent work sir, thank you for doing this video, I am sure it will help a lot of people (myself included). You come across as seasoned, credible and trustworthy. Thanks again and greetings from Thessaloniki.
You are quite welcome as well Sir. I truly appreciate the great comment. Thank You.
Thanks man! Keep doing that great job.
Thanks you for this great comment, and let me know if there is anything you would to see a follow-up video on.
Nice comparison 👌 Thank you so much.
You are very welcome. Thanks for the comment.
instablaster.
Awesome testing methodology sir.. kudos to you
Thank you for this very kind comment Sir :)
Nice review, thanks, ill get one myself for sure
That sounds good. Just keep it's limitation in mind, and let me know how it works out for you.
Thanks for doing this!
You are quite welcome. Thank you for watching and this nice comment.
Great video! Subscribed.
I'm very glad you liked it, and thanks so much for the subscription :)
great video as always. we just got a claimed 4k with loop and very disappointed more on that later. But with OBS you have to consider several items when doing captures at 60fps as the first one you did does about 40 to 48fps in real world use. bit rate, frame buffer and keyframe all play a big part in how OBS creates it capture when you only allow it to select the default profile. because Elgato's profile is already defaulting to the higher frame rate, there are really no adjustment you need to make. However the other ones you will need to manually configure to get the frame rates higher. Also, it 1280x720 which is really the 60fps mode, but you can get better at 1920x1080 too. We are setting up some information as we started back to a few projects. the C19 issues and all that have put many projects on hold.
Wow, great comment. Thanks so much for the information. I will try to look into that some more and let you know.
Thanks for the review and the revelation.
A few other things I'd like to see in such reviews, because these factors can drastically affect how video is processed and how it appears on a display.
1) Does the adapter have HARDware encoding/decoding, and if so, which codec(s) are supported? (often only 1)
2) Is your computer doing HARDware encoding/decoding and if so, which codec(s) are supported? (often only 1)
3) Are the computer and software you're using supporting and processing using the GPU or is it all being done by the CPU?
The CPU% I saw listed (2.5%) seemed a bit low, but then again you weren't processing a massive amount of motion in the images so if the CPU is powerful and fast enough that might make not reveal any major differences with such limited data rates. Also, whether or not the software supports multiple simultaneous CPU threads would be a performance factor as well (depends on the OS and the software and of course the CPU).
4) It would be interesting to know if a given video adapter and software ever supports H.265+, because H.265+ handles and displays lots of motion MUCH better than H.264, and I'm looking forward to hardware and software that can handle it. H.264 is actually quite poor at encoding motion between frames. I'm unsure if H.265+ is proprietary and/or just too expensive to license for manufacturers to use.
Unfortunately for these low cost units, there is 'very little' technical information available. I honestly do not believe any H/W encoding is embedded in the knock-off chip, since some people have had issues with specific types of content.
That desk is awesome. nice little compartment for the Front panel access. Is it Custom made ?
great video, exactly the devices I wanted compared. I cant afford an Elgato/Avermedia/haupaggue !
Pretty weird that the device fooled OBS to show 60fps but the logs show different.
Thank you very much for the great comment. The desk was purchased from Staples about 20 years ago. It is NOT real wood - laminated fiber board :( A bit worn out these days, so I may be looking for a new one early next year.
Hi PE4Doers. Thanks for your opinion on the capture devices basic features you analised in this presentation. In this regard, please advise - would it be possible to rely on these capture devices in such an arrangement: Video Camera (RCA output) Recorder (i.e. Handycam V8) > RCA to HDMI AV Converter > one of those capture devices under your consideration here (with HDMI input). Thanks in advance for your reply........... In this case, should we use OBS?
I have not reviewed an RCA to HDMI device, but I do know they exits and have done well (from what I've read)
Thank you. Your video helps ;-)
I am so glad to hear that. Thank you for letting me know.
Thx for the video. Quick question. With the first or the second, did you have to install drivers or did Windows recognize it? Do you know if any have the drivers built in to the capture card? Thankz
I did not have to install drivers for either device. Windows-10, as long as it has the latest Builds, is very good about that.
Nice comparison. I have the 2nd one you unboxed without the tail. Interesting that they appear the same. I paid a lot less than $30 for the metal one on Ebay, and it's even cheaper on AliExpress. Nice video.
That great. I honestly believe they are 'exactly' the same device in slightly different packaging. I know what some others have said, but I tested them thoroughly except for an objective method for measuring the lag (though my dead-reckoning came out virtually the same).
@@PE4Doers My biggest concern with the device with the plastic housing is heat. Have do done any LONG capture sessions, and did it have overheating issues?
@@ThriftyAV I did not try a compare having actually returned the one in the metal case, but I have used it for about 2 hrs continuously when recording one of my videos and it set for a continuous side-side to capture anything my primary camera missed. I took it off right after that and did not feel more than a slightly warn case. Also, all the video taken during that period appeared fine (but was not used in the end since my 4K camera caught everything I needed). I did read that same concern in comments from others, but I did not see that they actually had a problem caused by heat - I did not have such problems, so maybe its just a theoretical problem somebody thought through due to the plastic body.
Thanks for the more in depth review. Where I come from the newer version is cheaper than the original and I have discovered that despite the blue USB 3.0 on the original, it is actually running USB 2.0, which other than misleading, does not seem to affect performance. As for the 60 vs 30fps thing is concerned, it is a very minor thing really because the vast amount of video material that we actually watch is actually 30fps or less. When it comes to the comparison with the Elgato it does show that the Elgato is way overpriced, regardless of it's ability to work with a 4K (although, as your demo showed, still recording only at 1080p). So easily worth a punt for the very low price. There is one aspect of the devices that I feel would be very useful, especially to gamers wishing to record their time whilst playing is whether any of them show any appreciable lag that would make real time gaming possible or not.
I wish I could have 'accurately' measured the device 'lag' (in microseconds), unfortunately I have not had a working duel-trace Oscilloscope for a number of years (which I may change if enough people are interested in Electrical Engineer DYI projects), which would have also required my bread-boarding of an HDMI cable.
I have seen other online videos come up with Lag measurements, however it appears to me that they a mostly estimates done by comparing screen captures between what is believed to have a 'known' lag to the device being tested. In my opinion that is prone to an error of at least 20% from the research I did leading up to both videos I created on these low-cost capture devices. For example, I have the elgato 4K60 pro that advertises a specific lag time, but if you read the fine-print, they have a large number of conditions (such as PC performance) that get in the way of that being highly accurate.
I did see someone using Games to provide the estimated lag, but I have to question the accuracy of those estimates not knowing all the other factors the software is considering in the calculation, or, to be honest, the integrity of some of those estimates due to market pressures.
I apologize if this response doesn't help very much, however I intentionally decided to leave information like 'lag' out of my videos, not having the equipment I would have to trusted to perform the testing accurately, then defending those results.
@@PE4Doers Thanks for the response. Even a personal demonstration base on your own experience of the feel of lag would be useful to give some indication of whether there is a lot or not,
I received the newer card (without cable) today - costing 13 Euro (15 USD) including postage. I get very high quality video from my camcorder HDMI. It gives many times better colour, sharpness and contrast than my webcam. The only drawback I have at present is that the video seems to be maybe 300-400ms delayed compared to the audio from my USB headset microphone. I guess I could plug a microphone into my webcam to get audio also via HDMI, but will probably stick with the headset microphone for now as it works well.
Maybe the delayed video is because of my PC's hardware? I haven't found any way to reduce the default video quality or resolution - maybe that could reduce the bandwidth/processing requirements and so reduce the video delay?
Thanks for the great videos!
You are quite welcome. I agree that delay is most likely due to the higher demands of video processing. That is why so many people are complaining about the online Web Conferencing software as well.
Thanks for the video!
You are quite welcome. Do you have one of these devices?
@@PE4Doers I am planning to get one soon as my old canon minidv has hdmi output.
@@minidv7596 Is that a firmware update you expect?
@@PE4Doers not really because newer laptop doesn't come with firewire port so I have to get some sort of capture card to capture footage from minidv tapes to laptop. My canon hv20 does have hdmi output.
Awesome review. I don't use OBS cause it's way too complicated for me, and I don't do live stream.
OBS takes some getting use to, for sure. I don't Live Stream either (yet), but I use it for a lot of my USB device testing and sometime for doing a general screen capture video segment. When I do eventually go Live, I will be using it. I have not created an OBS tutorial yet, since I want to try live streaming with it first, but that will happen within the next six months. Thanks so much for the positive feedback.
Thanks for the video! A really unexpected result. It looked like the USB devices were actually 60FPS but capturing every other frame? Could it be that there is another driver somewhere? I just don't see a need for the skipped frame. I've never seen that in any other graphics product.
Bill, the problem is that the devices only output 30 frames per second, which is why it appears to skip every other frame when being recorded at 60 frames per second.
Hey man, this is the last video I'm asking this on. If I connect the HDMI from my GPU to the 1080p capture card and then plug that capture card in to the back of my secondary PC will the capture card give me audio in obs on the second PC? Thanks. ALSO, if I plug another wire into the GPU such as display port and then plug the other end into the monitor, will both the devices get input? Thanks!
I honestly believe the audio should pass through fine. The only time I had trouble with the sound on ANY HDMI connection was when it had gone through a converter from VGA or DVI, since neither of those natively pass sound. I know for the device I tested the sound worked fine, however I did not go through other systems or devices along the way.
this is the video i hv been looking for. I just bought the original one same exact thing. Tried out obs record 1080p on my ps4 slim and its kinda what i expect from that kinda price range. The image capture was slightly blurry like a small compression (noticeable) then problem with delay lag but not much an issue after adjusting few games . If only the image quality and lag was not the issue, this device would hv been perfect. sadly no. damyum it .
I did not test with any high refresh rate games, but I was concerned it would probably not do that well since it seem to have a minimal or non-existent cache.
For science.
Thank you. Good video.
Thank you. I appreciate hearing (err Reading that) :)
@@PE4Doers more people need to be honest to then selfs. It's too easy to say something is good because it cost more. Or people that say I can't do a review if it is free. Now is the time for true. We all know what is pro level. But you pay for that.
Hay can you count the contact pins in the USB A. If I is 3.0 it should have 4 high and 5 low. But I was told that it's a fake 3.0 and there are only 4pins and the blue is painted on.
@@Mystninja I agree. These devices are both USB 2.0
Thank you so much.
You are very welcome. Are you planning on getting one of those devices?
@@PE4Doers Yes, but I think there is a not usb 3.0 real, and that blue color is just to attract customers.
@@WeekTechniques You are absolutely correct on that. They put a USB 3.0 connector, however it is only 2.0
how about video quality compared to elgato? same or blury/noise ? there is also 4k60p unbranded video capture card but for 40$ on aliexpress.
I did not notice any difference between the two in 1080p30f as shown on this video. I find it hard to believe that a version of this can do 4K to be honest with you.
1. Version without cable with aluminum body:
It's better because not overheat in long run - inside it has got also small radiator.
2. Version with cable and plastic body:
It is worse at dissipating heat - some users have had overheating and no picture issues, does not have any radiator inside.
For long run (over 1 hour) version 1 sould work a lot better especially in countries where it is very hot every day. Max input signal in both is 4k 30FPS and output 1080 30FPS or 720 60FPS in both.
Thanks for the information. I guess the aluminum body is good for something, huh. The only thing that confuses me about the specs you listed is that I could not get either device to accept an input signal of 4K - no output at all.
Hello, I'm very appreciated for your compassion that two devices.
For now I found that second device is cheaper then first.
I don't know why.
It is on ebay $7 for the second and $13 for first.
I watched your comparison video and on my opinion (maybe I'm wrong) it looks more sharp and colorful video on second device. Is that right?
Anyway you are a great comparison video.
I have heard that same things from others, but I really can't tell the difference, so they look the same to me.
Thank you for this. Is there a setting to make it 60p?
I'm afraid not :( It's too bad some of the literature (and at least one other reviewer and one of those who posted a question on the first video, continue to perpetuate that non-existent capability).
Neither of these can do 1080 @ 60fps BUT they are capable of 720p @ 60fps if your source output supports it.
I have a question. The device without the cable exist in two version : USB 2.0 and USB 3.0. I want to know if the USB 3.0 version works if connected to an USB 2.0 port ? Just to be sure even they seem are the same.
Thanks.
Just a remark, for the test it will be more "scientific" to have testing the device on the same USB 3.0 port, because (even if not the seem case here) using an other USB 3.0 port could alterate the result.
I believe the advertisement on the one with the 'Blue' USB connector is clearly false. When I tested it, I could only get throughput up to USB 2.0 specs. However, both worked 'Exactly' the same in terms of resolution and FPS. I believe this video shows they have the same single chip doing all the work - despite what other reviewers said. The test you need to question most severely is the measured latency. I was unable to perform a fully scientific test, however I believe the latency to be between 100 and 160 ms. Both devices fell within that range based on my 'Dead Reckoning' method of measurement (comparing screens in a video editor frame by frame, and comparing them to my camera HDMI output that is 'advertised' as being 90 ms - not scientific at all). If I had a modern dual-trace logic analyzer of even an oscilloscope - like I had in Electrical Engineering labs - I could have come up with a scientific measurement. Using an estimate from a game (which I believe some others used) has too many variables, such as the system load and interrupt handler rates at any specific moment.
It reminds me of the DVD Drives the OEM vs the one with Nice Packaging and Software included :)) As to the "Aluminium body" Aluminium is non magnetic. Other metals are magnetic. You could test with a magnet :)) this is anoter Idea of mine :))
Thanks Kathrin for the great comment and suggestion as usual. As I mentioned more than once in this video, I was becoming concerned that some of my viewers were spending or about to spend more than they had to for this device. It was clear to me when I did my research before ordering the first one that they were likely 'exactly' the same. Design costs and chip fabrication are just too expensive for a large number of small unbranded organizations to produce their own. One company probably created it, fabricated a few million manufactured, then sold to many other companies.
Hi sir. Is the audio is also captured from your camera using the video capture?
Or can You capture it?
Audio is captured fine. You just need to make sure you select the correct options in you application software. In OBS you need to check a box in the Properties tab called "Use Custom Audio Device" when you ad that capture device as a source.
@@PE4Doers thank you sir..but how can I find that tab the "use custom audio device"
hello! I was wondering if these would work for outputting hdmi from computer, through the adapter, and into a laptop?
For context, I love my laptop but it's not powerful enough for me. I bought a computer thinking I could input hdmi to the laptop, but the port is output only! I've tried remote connection, but it's laggy and the sound is fuzzy. I'm really hoping for a simple & reliable solution, and a good hdmi to usb is probably my last hope!
Does you laptop have a Video/Audio or an S-Video input? Though did not test this device in reverse, I have my doubts that will work, since the discreet logic is much different when trying to go in that direction.
What happens if you use the pc as an input? Does it appear like a monitor? That is what i am interested in. I wanna game on 75hz (the best my monitor can do), but i have to plug it in to a laptop for the laptop to actually encode the video.
I did try that once early and and it worked in a similar fashion to my elgato 4K60 capture card, just limited to 30fps.
That is very clever on the comparison. Nice one! I was planning to get it but you just saved me £17.
I'm glad I helped. Will you be buying the lower cost version?
@@PE4Doers probably not, now after the comparison.
@@MursGaming2 OK, if you get a chance take a look at the new one I am reviewing within the next two weeks.
@@PE4Doers No problem, thank you. I will look out for it. Have a good day.
@@MursGaming2 You too, have a great day, week, and month
Hey, can you test it on android smartphone? Its uvc device so its should work. Can you please test if its record video AND audio to smartphone by using "USB Camera" app?
I will add that to my requests list for future videos, however I am not sure I will be able to accurately set something like that up. It would also be dependent on whether I see people continues strong interest in these low-cost devices, since it appears that competition has increased from some of the name-brand video companies.
The $15 works just fine and you up-convert the footage with some filters in OBS for live streaming, you will get amazing footage for fraction of the price.
I agree - Thanks for the comment.
@@PE4Doers Also you can up-convert the footage to 4k with a sharping filter and colorCorrection in OBS for live and recording local. I am going to do some tutorials in OBS on that.
@@InteractiveDNA That sounds like a great idea. Please post a link to your video here, so that I am some of the other viewers can take a look at how you do that.
Doing a live stream now if anyone interested.
Hey, dear I have i3 processor second generation with 4gb ram. Will this card work with it?.
It should, there is no specific O/S limitations that I know if.
i have mine plugged into my xbox and my compuer and its actived but its just a black screen on my obs
I had that happen to me when I had the camera I connected through the device set to 4K. I just went through some of the online literature, and it seems that setting any resolution out of the standard 360, 720 and 1040P will cause that to happen. Can you try to change the resolution of the Xbox?
Is there a cheap capture card that does a good job of capturing a Windows desktop? I bought one of the plastic PH4SBD units but although it works, I found everything was a bit blurry and lacking definition, which maybe you wouldn’t notice capturing video, but very noticeable for icons, text, etc.
I ordered one of the metal units (coming tomorrow), having seen good reviews from others on UA-cam but having seen your video, I’m now expecting the results to be the same. Do you know if the Elgato Camlink, or any other USB capture card gives a crisp image? May have to spend £120 to get a decent product instead of wasting my time and money on these cheap ones!
The elgato card is definitely top of the line. I may get one myself once I start live streaming (and I have some more funds fo such purchases). These cards are low end and will have some quirks - a clear case of 'You Get What You Paid For'. I kept mine just as a backup, or if a particular video or event I am doing needs another 'higher quality' USB camera.
Why would you want to capture a windows desktop with a capture card when you have OBS screen capture option?
@@encapsulatio I only use a capture card when I want to show the desktop of 'another' PC. For example, I am upgrading one of my Backup PCs in a future UA-cam video and I want to show how a graphics program would actually look on that PC. Remote desktop does not capture something like that well either, so using OBS (or BandiCam which I also have) does not show a true representation.
@@PE4Doers you can capture it thru your own PC by using AnyDesk(better than Teamviewer because of the proprietary codec they use)
I absolutely see what you mean about the frame rate, and agree it would be better if the manufacturer(s) labeled them as 30fps units. But I would have to disagree that the two were the same when it comes to video quality. As I replay your side by side comparison, it seem quite clear to me that the video to the right has much greater detail than the video on the left. Take particular note of the skin texture between the two. For me, the greater detail would easily warrant paying the extra $15.
I appreciate you comment and observations. I still honestly believe they use the same logic chip inside those devices. I have also noticed that recent ads of the two units have actually swapped prices, with the one I spent the extra $25 on dropping to just $18, while the the cheaper one that purchased, is now over $25. I wish it was my video that could have had that impact on the market, however my 10K views pails in comparison to the views other reviewers have had after looking at these two video devices
One other thing to consider = In addition to how they worked for me when I was comparing them, I also completed some research on how embedded identifiers are established on smart USB devices, and based on that, along with my skepticism that the two identifiers reported to OBS could match 'exactly' by pure coincidence, I am 99.7% sure (three Standard deviations) of that hypothesis.
I do take you opinion seriously however, so I went back and viewed the original source files for the two outputs. To me they look close enough on both of my 4K monitors, but that is obviously my opinion only.
As an additional follow-up, I just watched the raw video clips (all three directly from OBS) several time - once again - and the only things I've noticed is that: 1) My body body is slightly shifted from one low-cost card to the other, which changed the camera exposure by about 8% (per my editing S/W), which makes that clip slightly darker, so I bumped up the exposure on the editor and there is no other perceptible difference; and 2) that the version from the elgato 4K60 capture card definitely has better color and clarity over the other two.
Hlo bhai...If we using a rgb headphone in mobile then the battery wiff decrease fastly ....tell pls .
Well, that makes sense. Battery power has a limited amount of hours providing a limited maximum current. If the system, or peripherals, are drawing more current, then the battery will discharge faster.
They are exactly the same, worth the money, but not 60fps or USB 3.0. Over here, the metal case one is less expensive. AKA as the Can't-Link. However, it's a lottery as to what the latency is as some of them have really low latency under 50ms, and some have ones over 100ms - it isn't consistent between the same model. Great capture card for cheap, but unfortunately mislabeled and mismarketed. If they labelled it for what it was - 1080p@30fps and USB 2.0, it would still be a steal.
I fully agree, they are the same device, as my testing indicated. I did not attempt a latency measurement however due to testing equipment limitations I currently have.
How did you check the latency?
Some channels actually have measured latency on this device and many others. EposVox - who was actually the first one who turned me onto this card has an extensive compilation of latency numbers for over a hundered different cards, including these two. The way I check latency is to have my HDR-CX handycam go into a 4-way splitter, then each feed on the splitter goes into a different capture card. Then I raise my hand and see which feed has the hand go up first - also it's possible to record in OBS and playback later like you did with the "dancing fingers". Epos actually did find one of the 2.0 versions of this cheap card with a very low latency. In my case, my Ripsaw HD wins. The USB 3.0 labelled one still looks good upon record, but the Ripsaw is better for live monitoring only due to the latency. The USB 3.0 is still a great deal even though it is mislabeled as USB 3.0 and 60fps. There was no reason for them to try to fool people with the mislabeling as it is still worth more than it costs, given today's market prices even if it is only USB 2.0 and 1080p 30fps and marginally inferior quality wise to my $160 card.
@@boxfan6656 Thanks for the information. I did consider doing something like that (with only my elgato 4K60 and one of the external devices), but I felt it would only give me a diff between two of them, then depend on the manufacturers specs on the elgato to find the starting point. Your method is still much better than depending on a game to tell you what the latency is based on mouse clicks (at least one that I saw available).
This is something I WILL revisit, since latency is thrown around so much as 'the' critical metric, but that will be when I get myself a new dual-trace O-Scope.
I really do appreciate your providing your technique. Thank you.
I just ran some quick tests on the version I got, it works great and does 1080p 60fps (maybe it is the advertised 2020 upgrade although I cannot validate that.) Not only is it USB 3.0 but I could verify 60fps. I will add more on the video upload information and follow up. Update to comment: found it is NOT connect as USB 3 but USB 2 (data rate)
How was the 60fps verified?
@@PE4Doers cell by cell with video software, I am working on a better test as featured cames are not 60fps to being with. you can check out two quick video I just posted.
@@clouddancer9 OK, I will take a look.
@@PE4Doers just also did test using a 4k video at 1080p 60fps. File recorded at about 54fps and stepping frame by frame there are changes most of the sequence, even did some export of 1 sec and out of the 60 images most are different. So I am pretty please with the capture card. I don't really film much at 60 fps but it good to know I can. the Macosilicon display even will detect the resolution of 3840x2160.
@@PE4Doers Ok so just upload out first edit version using raw files imported into video software: ua-cam.com/video/Tsyq65uQP0I/v-deo.html
With respect to verified we have used several capture software and took the raw footage and viewed the 1 sec images frame by frame(i.e. 60 images in 1sec). We found that more often the not, each sequential image was different for more than 30%. So does it capture 60 FPS, we think yes as it does capture greater than 30 FPS. Will it do more than 30 FPS, that will based on many factors. Most important factors will include USB speed(we verified 3.1) , Process speed and type(we used both i5 and 7i dual and quad cores) and capture software(We used 3 so far).
Overall, being that we order it before we saw your review of similar item, we are very pleased with the results. And it shall server well for the original projects we want to test with it for a $15 USD capture card vs a 100 or more.
We will also cover passthrough in some later videos.
This would have been perfect with a digital clock showing seconds then real lag would be easy to see. take a few shots with a cell phone showing clock and screen would show overall lag. great job though!
In a later video I use a camera as a USB Webcam, showing a video of an online millisecond digital clock, along with what the camera output looks like on the screen. Then I do a screen capture of both views at the same time to get a latency / propagation delay measurement..
Going forward I will include that whenever I review any video equipment, including capture cards. As a matter of fact I have one coming up on yet another capture device soon, so I will include this device in the testing mix.
I really appreciate the recommendation, since there have been many who wanted some measure of the latency and propagation delays.
I make UA-cam videos, by using my video camera pointed at my TV. Will this capture dongle work if I connect one of my devices to it, like Xiaomi Mibox?? I want to do a review of different Android and mini PCs, but want to do a screen caputer vs. using my camcorder pointing at the TV.........
I purchased a USB 2 to HDMI capture card, but it the recording is all red tinged when connected to an Android box. When connected to my camcorder, the recordings are perfectly... Not sure if it has to do with HDMI protection.
You may be better off getting an elgato capture card (either the 1060 or 5K versions). If you want to use a laptop for the capture, then you can get one the is external. They are somewhat costly however. You can start with getting the Bandicam software (costing about $25.00) that does an excellent job doing screen captures on any PC.
@@PE4Doers thanks for that information
@@PE4Doers I am concerned that do to HDMI protection, it will not allow capture.........
I have the second smaller of the devices shown here and it ignores HDCP. I have no problems capturing the HDMI output from a Roku streamer or a BluRay player in my testing and was able to capture video from Netflix, Amazon Prime etc.. If you are using these devices for video capture and not for game streaming then 1080p/30 is fine for that. If you are capturing game footage from consoles to stream online then you need to spend a lot more for no lag HDMI capture, if you are streaming from a PC then you don't need a capture device if your PC is powerful enough.
@@kevinh96 That is good news. He links Amazon for the device and I don't do Amazon, plus it is on the expensive side, if it does NOT do what I want it to do.............
Where did you purchase yours??
Yep, sorry the usb 3.0 has to be both ways, your computer and the device. The second device is not 3.0 based on the port color. Standard coding is blued, unless they really went cheap in clone the device and elected not to use the blue to indicate 3.0 hardware. But you can view in performance information in devices output. Question would be, does the software that came with card, allow it to be configured to be set at 60fps. ( note I order one, and I would be sad and a bit disappointed if it is not 60fps, but does it work at 1280x720 60fps?
Thanks for the message and I apologize for the delay in responding. I'm afraid both devices only work at 1080p30fps as my tests in this video shows. Also, they are only USB 2.0, even though one of them shows a 'Blue' USB connector. In addition, if you tried to feed a 4K signal into either of them you would only get a blank output screen. The point of this video was to show that they have 'exactly' the same controller chip, which I believe my tests did show that as being fact - even though one sells for twice the price. I do use one of them (having returned the more expensive one) quite often when I have Zoom meetings and training classes - if that helps.
As it turns out though, I have another one on its way to me for testing and creation of a review video. That one is advertised to be a better performer (at a higher price of course), so stay tuned for that review within the next 2 to 3 weeks.
@@PE4Doers we just uploaded out test video.
Thank you sir... Pls tell which is best for live streaming in 60fps between this??? Pls tell
I'm afraid neither one of these devices supports 60fps. I know elgato has one that does work
OK Thankyou...but Pls tell which is the best for live streaming between this capture card...above.. 1st one or 2nd one Pls tell sir...
I think these capture card gives 30 fps ??? Pls tell this also
There is almost no difference between the two (other than packaging) . I would use which ever one you can get for the lowest price.
@@extremegamer430 You are absolutely correct. They do 30fps (not 60 like some adds suggest)
can this work with xbox one on 1080p 60fps to laptop
I don't see why not, except that the output from the capture cards will be limited to 30fps.
Would you please help me getting this. How do i get this?
The Notes for this video has Amazon Links to both devices. The price has settled into about $21.00US, however their is still some 'false advertising' on one of them saying it is 60fps, since they are both the same at 30fps.
Poor Example. Couple notes here. Elgato has additional software that controls the core drivers, setting desired framerates and resolutions for "default" usage. Depending on your Elgato Capture Card, this may be 1080p 60fps, 4k 30fps, or even 720p 60fps. You don't have any software for managing your alternative capture cards. I recommend manually changing the resolution and framerates when setting up the capture source. Next, 3 different recordings isn't a great option for comparison videos past the double-frame buffering due to a 30fps to 60fps video stream. Since it is a capture card, give it a static pre-recorded 60fps video on another HDMI device (a monitor connected to the computer, another computer, console, etc) to not only support the framerate claims (which I don't doubt given this example) but also quality differences between capture cards. Alternatively, recording a clock or stopwatch with milliseconds is also an okay option. A few devices (cameras are notorious for it) will add motion blur frames to force 60fps when it can only capture 30fps. Probably irrelevant for the current setup, but is an important thing to test against future forward. Final note, both capture cards list 60fps for 720p, not 1080p. Would probably not have made this post if the video were listed as something more akin to "budget capture card framerate tests" rather than "price / perf testing"
The elgato is the 'Top of the Line', with the price tag that accompanies it. I would only recommend this unit for those that have a camera, computer, console, or similar who are not looking for the highest quality or cost.
So we finally have the capture project rolling. The under 20USD capture device is a great deal for the prices. Here is the 1920x1080 30fps from live stream and we also recorded local the stream at same time.
www.twitch.tv/videos/836885723
The card does do 60fps too and in real world it about 40fps which is still pretty great. The video is also able to display larger that 1920, more like 2k/4k at about 15fps.
We will be posting the intro chapter 1 on youtube too.
Thanks for the update. Wow, you have really done a lot of work in this area, huh..
@@PE4Doers It turned out to be a great device even as use as a picture in picture 2nd monitor. But we have been impressed by is size, quality and speed even being a USB 2 connected card. We also upload the video file captured the same time we live stream to our youtube channel. We plan on doing a live youtube stream but need to find if youtube will list the stream as they don't seem to be doing that consistantly.
@@PE4Doers We were also impress that for the twitch stream we did not have to adjust the audio for any delay, as it was pretty much in sync as seen in opening(again this is also based on the Games audio track. Also game is 30fps), we were also pleased that we could do the 1080p HD because PS4 game does look much better than when render in 720p.
@@clouddancer9 That sounds great :)
@@clouddancer9 Thanks for the update.
I tested this recording PC UEFI BIOS and seems the default HDMI EDID resolution is set to 1280x720p. Also in the Linux GRUB menu resolution is 720p. Confirmed with a windows PC source that the (recommended resolution) is 1280x720p. I wish they can update the firmware so that it defaults to 1920x1080p
Here is my sample: ua-cam.com/video/xKP4nU-gubA/v-deo.html
WOW, let me know if you are able to do that. I would like to do the same.
Thanks you.
Also with respect to the chip, yes they are most likely the same as many of them are, but there are some small chip that do create a different version of how that chip is used. More again on this soon. i.e the first one you select has 4k detection video setting we found another that use same chip set but does not have the 4k, It may capture at 4k setting but it is far less capable in performance than the older one. Oh yes, HDMI cables version are important too.
Thanks again. I would love to see some schematics of those digital circuits (or even some of the HDL). I tried looking for them a while ago but could not even find a draft version.
@@PE4Doers Think someone did a breakdown, as I recall before we got the first capture card. I'll try to find.
@@clouddancer9 Let me know :0
@@PE4Doers Will do, we also started back our FSX project which will feature the USB capture device(s). entervrworld.com/atc/product/fsx-hd-c172-socal/
@@PE4Doers Update site getting ready for summer 2021 projects. The video at end of this video does feature the capture form the USB 3.0/2.0 capture device in HD and is really just a 2.0 device.(one with cable attached) entervrworld.com/atc/product/fsx-hd-c172-socal/
Does any one of it transfer the audio along with video
They both do. You just need to make sure the software you are using is set to accept it. For example, in OBS, after adding the Video Capture Device make sure you check the box in the setting at the bottom that says 'Custom Audio Device'
@@PE4Doers thanks for your reply
@@Tunestoremember No problem at all. Also, I don't think they sell the one with the pigtail anymore - at least not on Amazon.
how to connect type c Ugreen converter to it then stream my mobile games
I'm afraid you would need to purchase an USB Type-C to Type-A adapter.
@@PE4Doers But this adaptor is already a converter from Type c to HDMI (connected to HDMI in PC but not working not sure if its only HDMI output which is in PC) and also I added HDMI Video Capture but still not working even in 2.0 usb
@@AhmadAlnajjar Now you've stumped me. It should be an easy conversion from USB 2.0 (what both of these devices support) to USB 3.1 Type C.
If you check the specs on the devices it clearly states that it can ingest 1080p60 but will output only 1080p30. However, it can also output 720p60 if you need 60fps.
Thanks for posting. I found the same thing during my testing.
So it does do 1080p 60fps. Or, at least the one we received is doing it. (not so much with live streaming but we have done a few 1080p 60fps live stream. We have done successful captures with different capture software. We feel it optimizes at 48 fps with our hardware used. It is not to say that it is doing sustained 60fps, but it is doing greater than 30 fps at 1080p.
We reviewed 1 sec 60 images and found that the majority of them are different cells, assume the video feed has not dropped or is producing at least 60 or greater frames per second. We feel the limiting factor is that it is not running USB 3.0 as such the device itself will push the limits based on hardware. Although we have tested with both 2/4 and 4/8 core systems and there is not a huge difference.
For the price the image quality and the even doing greater than 1080p ie 2k resolution display it is a great buy.
www.amazon.com/LEADNOVO-Recorder-Definition-Acquisition-Broadcasting/dp/B0899YQ6M2/ref=sr_1_18?dchild=1&keywords=usb+3.0+1080p+60fps+capture+card&qid=1602520729&sr=8-18
So great news we were successful in doing a live stream 1080p 60fps sustained at or above 55 fps. We will cover more of this on our vblog. OBS detected as 1080p 60fps in logs and created a valid live stream connection with YT.
@@clouddancer9 Thanks so much for the update, I will check out that Amazon link
@@clouddancer9 You have done a great job at all this research. Thanks so much for passing it along to me and my viewers.
The 30$ capture device is around only at 6$ here in the Philippines.
WOW, that is low. Her in the U.S. they dropped in priced as well - about $20 now.
They're different because the placebo effect says so. 😁
I have gotten so many comments and emails on this (with the original and video along with this one) that it is mind-boggling. I have also noticed that a couple of other UA-camrs (with much larger audiences than I have) have also been dealing with it. From what I can tell however, I am the only one that 'admits' they are the same except for the packaging (and the color of the USB internal plastic piece). My guess is that accepting the fact that a person paid more than they could have is just too hard to let go - it's water under the bridge (sunk cost, unless you have free returns available). I plan on eventually paying the premium to support 40K60 (an a minimum 4K30), to buy one of the top-line devices. I will use the one I still have (having returned the expensive one) as a 'stop gap' and a backup.
There is one difference... the smaller metal one has more accurate color compared to the elgato. Or, at least it more matches the elgato, accurate or not.
I really did not notice that. The key thing is that the chips in both identified themselves to OBS 'exactly' the same, which is strong evidence that they use the same chip. I do admit the package looks and feel better (with smaller one having a nice aluminum body), but I did not think that was worth twice the price.
The one you said costs more is actually the same price or cheaper than the other one. I think you just bought from a seller that is too pricey.
I got one of the metallic ones for $6.
WOW, you got a great deal. I could not find it less than $30 when I was looking for it. Also, the reason I chose that one was because of comments I received saying that another UA-camr found that one phenomenally better than the one I initially reviewed, The import thing was not the price, but how they are all the same device in different packaging. Let me know how the unity you purchased works out for you.
I am all over UA-cam trying to figure out how much TIME a video capture card will record... even at 40 fps & 4k ~ I just need some kind of base from where to begin.
It 8s for a cheap security camera... but I don't know what length of thy time zi can record... 30 seconds, 30 minutes, 2 hours... is it even worth investing any $ in at all. These sites all use the word TIME but no one even tries to reveal it. It's pretty messed up when you only need a simple answer but absolutely no answer Revelation to your understanding is given.
I already understand the contingencies will effect the out come... but with no base to start with,.. all I have is a blank screen.
The only thing I can think of to 'possibly' help, is describe how much space my videos use at 4K, 30fps.
The number I experience for that resolution and speed is 5min, 40secs, take up just about 4gig of space on my storage drives. It seem very consistent for me using three different 4K cameras. I am looking at a 4K video file right now that is almost exactly 1gig in size and it's runs 1min, 26secs, at 4K, 30fps.
I guess if I were trying to size a video capture device with internal storage, I would start with the 1gig example I just described. Of course you would have to tweak the math for a different FPS value.
I hope that helps.
@@PE4Doers good idea. Cheers
@@terryglenweaver Good luck
I didn't know obs was free this whole time.
It is a great resource, and free at that. I will be using it when I start live streaming later this month.
1:46 it is no free ware it is free and opensource software (FOSS)
Thanks for the clarification :)
pretty sure they do 60 fps @ 720p however
I was unable to do that with these devices, however some of the high quality ones can do that from what I've read.
@@PE4Doers they advertise that, so was hoping to stream in 720 at 60fps... sucks if they dont
@@spacexmike Yeah, there were some 'Advertising Glitches' for sure. I could not get anything higher than 30fps out, regardless of the resolution. Also, only 'Black' out if I fed in 4K. Although the UCEC unit I reviewed - ua-cam.com/video/6DsaqIru52s/v-deo.html - did allow $K in and put out 1K, in addition to reaching 60 fps (but costing a lot more).
What is your Cat's name?
Her name is Lacey. Her, a sister, brother, father and mother were rescued from under a porch outside my house (just outside the small window to the right in the opening to this video), by my two daughters and wife about 4 years ago. At first she was name Spider Man (which I think may still be the name the vet has fro her in her file), since they did not know she was female and was constantly trying climbing in the large plastic fenced case I built for that entire family of cats in my garage (dismantled once the kittens became house cats and we released the parents back into the wild after healing from spading an neutering). We still have the two female kittens (now grown cats) in our house, and the mael kitten was given to a friend of my younger daughter who still has him as her pet.
I bought the one with the cable... i looked at a blog and the guy was very negaive about them... (his screen was glitching the whole time while plugged on PS4) Im very scared thats gonna happen lol. (Wish me luck) will come at 7th - 9th June. I will update of course
I did not try it on a PS4, but I did use it on two PCs with Windows-10 and a third running Ubuntu Linux and I had no problems like that. I have had cheap Webcams do that however. Do you know what he had plugged into the other side of it (the HDMI)?
UPDATE: It came today lol. Product us there, looks as marketed. Instructions tere, but A SMALL DVD?! How am i going to put this on my laptop... its not a Playstation Portable. Its from wiistar! Goong to rest ut right now.
@@charlesfunnimoments8534 I did not need to use what was on the DVD. The device was plug-n-play.
@@PE4Doers Uh oh... i hooked my PS3 (because the ps4 is heavy lol) and when i launch a game the sound goes very off. Its sounds like a construction site... Any idea why?
Tried another game, same but Menu sounds and also Game preview sounds sound ultra fine....
open it up and check the chip inside ;) thanks
Well, neither of them appear to have a simple way to open. I would probably wind up breaking both of them. All testing and how they identify themselves to software is what I am basing my decision on.
@@PE4Doers but most of them i have seen has a screw covered by a sticker and has macrosilicon ms2109 chip
ua-cam.com/video/R4SXJMNywL4/v-deo.html
@@johndripper I will look again
@@johndripper the one with the pigtail is in a sealed black plastic case. I would need to break it ope to see anything. Since that was NOT a free evaluation unit, I an not looking to detroy it. I actually use that one quite often.
@@PE4Doers thanks for replying :) I ordered one it is usb 3.0 & says it can do 1080p 60fps dunno how much of it is true lol
I bought this chip video capture than elgato..
The elgato is a great product with capabilities and features this capture device cannot really approach. That does come at a much higher budgetary hit however. I assume you returned this one then, huh.
So great news, the plain paper box one works as advertised. Or, at least the one I got. We just upload the first long video that shows the capture card in action with a popular PS4 game using a PS4 for the HDMI source. ua-cam.com/video/zzsJFj_fV2E/v-deo.html
We have an old Elgato device in our archives for capture and had looked at the possible cost of over 200 USD/UROS for a update capture card. That was until we started to see these USB small footprint ones.
Your review was so great, and we were a bit scared that the device was not going to be as advertised and only do 30 fps. But to our great joy it does capture at 60 fps if the source video also is produced at 60 fps or greater.
We are going to do a 4K test soon too, but because we mostly produce 30fps HD content, this device will fit in just fine to our tools.
Great stuff PE4Doers!
Thanks so much for the update. I am a little surprise you were able to get more than 30fps out of it. I tried several tests and I could only get it to reach 30ffs output. Keep me updated.
@@PE4Doers Will do we have some more testing, currently it working great as a RCA to HDMI as our old one does not work with current OS versions. Although we have legacy system to run on, we like the update codec for mp4 which was not supported on old stuff.
@@clouddancer9 It looks like you've done a lot of great work. Keep it up.
@@PE4Doers We just update our unboxing ua-cam.com/video/ymYBP6L0BOgh/v-deo.htmlttps://ua-cam.com/video/ymYBP6L0BOg/v-deo.html This is a USB 2.0 1080p 30/60 fps. Although we can create a 60 fps video at 1080p with it, it seem to maybe top out at 48 fps. We think if it was truly USB 3 it could reach a higher rate. We have some other video projects that it will serve well for a 20 buck capture card and the out put for both recording and live stream have been very impressive.
@@clouddancer9 That sounds like great work. Thanks for the update.
You paid $50
/the aluminium one 1 can buy for 15 dollar in amazon
You are absolutely correct, those prices have been all over the place based on competitive factors and supply/demand. Both devices I looked at in this video are 'exactly' the same in every test I performed. By the way, I recently tested one of them for latency (propagation delay into a PC) and it has an addition 117ms latency over the top-of-the-line elgato 4K60 PCIe card that I have in my workstation.
Welp, I should’ve researched more but at least I got 30$ for 12$ and hopefully my views enjoy it still
Many people were not sure there was a difference between the two, which is why I decided to make this video. It does concern me that other reviewers continue to tell everyone that metal cased one is so much better :(
@@PE4Doers no it’s mine I’ve should’ve searched harder but it would’ve been nice if they gave out more info.
As a professional engineer with certifications in addition to yours, plus 40 years experience in designing electronic communications and computation systems, I respectfully disagree that your test is conclusive. You may be correct in your assertion that the device are identical intenallly, but you didn't prove it.
That the firmware string of two devices identifies itself as the same doesn't mean that the hardware is identical. There is not a comprehensive standard followed by all device makers for identifying HDMI device capability in band. What exists is a simple handshake to identify the class of device.
Consider that a Windows 11 PC may identify the processor base speed but not the turbo speed. It may not know what the processor chip's capabilites are and require those to be enabled through the BIOS. The capability of the graphics card may not be exploitable by the OS without the card maker's driver to enable the graphics processor. Similarly, the capture card software which you deigned to examine may be required to change the operating mode of the hardware.
Testing that software could be easily accomplished at no risk to a test computer running a virtual instance of a computer environment. Modern processors are much faster than the data rate of 1080p/60Hz of your limited motion test and wouldnlt be a test factor. Only if you were using a complex test scene where the majority of the image was in constant change would the computer be a factor in testing maximum capability of a video adapter.
You present a very interesting argument.
I do have to say however, that I was somewhat limited in my ability to be 100% certain that the devices are, or are not, the same.
If I were doing a full electrical engineering review I would have requested access to any schematics, logic diagrams, or embedded micro code source to have that level of certainty.
I would say however, that there are facts that are inescapably supportive of my determination. For example, the alternative would have been if some competitive company had reverse engineered the electronic circuitry and design. If that were truly the case however, I have my professional doubts they would have used the same device ID text as the one device they were copying. That would be somewhat incriminating should the matter ever found its way to a legal case, since the text would have been quite easy to modify.
Also, I am intrigued at your supposition that using virtual computer environments would have provided improved evaluation results. I have learned (as most computer engineers have) that virtualization provides improved performance optimization of multi-threaded CPU designs, however they would never exceed the performance of a single embedded (usually a discrete logic based) CPU.
I do pride myself on being 100% open-minded however, so I would love the opportunity to discuss this further with you in a Live Collaboration Stream. If you are amenable to that, please reach out to me through my UA-cam contact information.
This video was very useful in the USB capture cards. I think it was one of the better ones when shopping. Few things to reinforce: The units are not USB 3, connectors might be(this is true on most advertised USB 3 capture devices under 30.00USD). Can it capture 4k and 60fps, well yes to some degree in real world such as OBS 48FBS there lower resolution 60FS is there, 4k only about 7 to 12 fps. Best results are with the use of nice performance computer. This video, we reached out and confirmed that the USB used here ua-cam.com/video/OKi9e79ee2E/v-deo.html was the one with the attached fix cable HD video capture live streaming one. Same as one we also did quick review on.
Granpa has a better pc than i do LMAOO
Does Grampa have the resources, need and knowledge that would warrant his having a PC like that?
I just saw a review by a UA-camr I like to watch - Alpha Gaming. He actually does a 'Gamer Perspective review of these devices (I bunch them together based on my technical review in this video). If you get a chance, take a look at his video as well as mine (mine first of course): ua-cam.com/video/KkDi-WTFIwE/v-deo.html
"Mine first" lol
@@charlesfunnimoments8534 Who was last? :)
@@PE4Doers Alpha gamig of course :)
@@charlesfunnimoments8534 OK