I know my next bike is going to be a Honda. I am looking at the Navi and the Grom, but I'm leaning Grom because carb maintenance and adjustment for altitude do scare me.
There's several mini-moto offerings on the market but the GROM seems to be the most popular. Personally I'd love to get my hands on the CFMoto Papio SS. It's one of the few mini-motos to do its' own thing and the only one to have a 6-speed transmission. All of the other mini-motos seem like they're trying to be the GROM but it's not working out. :)
Hopefully CFMoto's Papio SS makes Honda actually try harder in the U.S.. Like, for the 2025 Grom they basically just changed the side panels and called it a new gen and actually bothered to start offering a tiny bit of accessories that they already offer in Thailand & other countries. It's ridiculous. If you want ABS, they force you into just one color, white. You want a belly pan straight from the dealer? Well, you can only get the SP Black Grom...but no ABS. Like they're just playing lame dealership games. Why can't you get any color offered, with or without ABS? The only difference for the SP is the black & belly pan, an accessory you can literally add on their menu anyway. Stuff like that is STANDARD all all the color offerings on the Papio SS and it's cheaper. I like the Grom a lot and doesn't really need to change. I'm just stating that they're basically trickling things for the sake of segmentation that makes no real sense. The aftermarket scene for the Grom is the best thing though; it's beyond awesome. There's a few stuff coming out for hte Papio SS though.
@@CheapSushi Auto manufacturers do the same thing. They give you "options" to choose but when you choose the one you want it makes you tack on some extras you don't want. Or you choose an exterior color and go for a different interior it switches your chosen color to something you don't want. Because you can't have those two together. I think if the Papio gains more popularity in the future it'll have its' own customization scene like the Grom. The Grom is so big because it's been out for a few years and when it came on the market no one else was selling a mini-moto. Sadly because the Grom was the first of its' vehicle type everyone else keeps trying to copy its' design instead of doing their own thing. That's why the Papio SS stands out to me. In a sea of same-old same-old from Honda and other manufacturers the Papio SS is doing its' own thing visually. Then, as far as full size bikes go CF Moto is working on the VOOM 500 that has a similar type of look to the Papio SS. But, like with a lot of things people just don't have the extra spending money right now to buy fun things and some stuff is still hard to get.
@@Slane583 From what I read CFMoto is working with an Italian company for their design work, the name is escaping me, so not surprised they went for something to stand out. I'm kinda worried that CFMoto will get banned or high tariffed; there's some discussion about it by the Biden administration.
@@CheapSushi I wouldn't worry about the tariffs. The tariffs are a bargaining tool to get manufacturers to make things in the US. Because it would be cheaper to make them domestically than to import them. The closest manufacturing plant that CF Moto has to the US is Mexico. Yes it's not the US directly but it's one step closer. If CF Moto wants the US market bad enough they will eventually have to make a manufacturing plant here. They're doing their best to compete with the likes of Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Can-Am and Polaris. So eventually building a manufacturing plant in the US would be a smart move. But we will have to see.
Nice bike. Looks and sounds like great quality. Have you taken delivery of your Navi? I can't wait to see your new Navi videos. I haven't made my mind up yet lol .
What app are you using in the ruckus vids for your speedo? I just got the phone mount for my ruck and am looking to run the same as you. Love the vids!
Trust me you will. But trust me it’s sooo worth it and so much fun, better than full size bikes. Just make sure you wear a full face helmet so no one can recognize u
It's not that slow, in urban traffic you leave any other bike behind, for open road you buy the Honda windshield, a high flow filter and 70 mph is not slow for a 125cc bike.
Entry level ktm doesn't get that mgp. Nor the after market support or the community. Get whatever bike you want, but it's silly to deny different people want different things. Also an entry ktm is taller
Im grabbing one this summer
I know my next bike is going to be a Honda. I am looking at the Navi and the Grom, but I'm leaning Grom because carb maintenance and adjustment for altitude do scare me.
Nice little bike 👍
Yes it most certainly is that!!!
Did you get your Navi in?@@slowridersmotovlog201
@@rb196441 I think there going tomorrow to pick it up. At least I hope so!
i got that bike and love it
There's several mini-moto offerings on the market but the GROM seems to be the most popular. Personally I'd love to get my hands on the CFMoto Papio SS. It's one of the few mini-motos to do its' own thing and the only one to have a 6-speed transmission. All of the other mini-motos seem like they're trying to be the GROM but it's not working out. :)
The grom sells very well around this area. Very popular!!
Hopefully CFMoto's Papio SS makes Honda actually try harder in the U.S.. Like, for the 2025 Grom they basically just changed the side panels and called it a new gen and actually bothered to start offering a tiny bit of accessories that they already offer in Thailand & other countries. It's ridiculous. If you want ABS, they force you into just one color, white. You want a belly pan straight from the dealer? Well, you can only get the SP Black Grom...but no ABS. Like they're just playing lame dealership games. Why can't you get any color offered, with or without ABS? The only difference for the SP is the black & belly pan, an accessory you can literally add on their menu anyway. Stuff like that is STANDARD all all the color offerings on the Papio SS and it's cheaper. I like the Grom a lot and doesn't really need to change. I'm just stating that they're basically trickling things for the sake of segmentation that makes no real sense. The aftermarket scene for the Grom is the best thing though; it's beyond awesome. There's a few stuff coming out for hte Papio SS though.
@@CheapSushi Auto manufacturers do the same thing. They give you "options" to choose but when you choose the one you want it makes you tack on some extras you don't want. Or you choose an exterior color and go for a different interior it switches your chosen color to something you don't want. Because you can't have those two together.
I think if the Papio gains more popularity in the future it'll have its' own customization scene like the Grom. The Grom is so big because it's been out for a few years and when it came on the market no one else was selling a mini-moto. Sadly because the Grom was the first of its' vehicle type everyone else keeps trying to copy its' design instead of doing their own thing.
That's why the Papio SS stands out to me. In a sea of same-old same-old from Honda and other manufacturers the Papio SS is doing its' own thing visually. Then, as far as full size bikes go CF Moto is working on the VOOM 500 that has a similar type of look to the Papio SS. But, like with a lot of things people just don't have the extra spending money right now to buy fun things and some stuff is still hard to get.
@@Slane583 From what I read CFMoto is working with an Italian company for their design work, the name is escaping me, so not surprised they went for something to stand out. I'm kinda worried that CFMoto will get banned or high tariffed; there's some discussion about it by the Biden administration.
@@CheapSushi I wouldn't worry about the tariffs. The tariffs are a bargaining tool to get manufacturers to make things in the US. Because it would be cheaper to make them domestically than to import them. The closest manufacturing plant that CF Moto has to the US is Mexico. Yes it's not the US directly but it's one step closer. If CF Moto wants the US market bad enough they will eventually have to make a manufacturing plant here. They're doing their best to compete with the likes of Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Can-Am and Polaris. So eventually building a manufacturing plant in the US would be a smart move. But we will have to see.
Gosh they look so good 😮
I think the USA model should be a six speed and at least 150 cc to 200 cc.
that belly pan is just a eye candy
Was gonna get this for work commute since I'm only four miles from work then later upgrade to z500 so I can learn before I upgrade
Nice bike. Looks and sounds like great quality. Have you taken delivery of your Navi? I can't wait to see your new Navi videos. I haven't made my mind up yet lol .
As of Wednesday they haven’t pick it up yet. I’m hoping today is the day!!
What app are you using in the ruckus vids for your speedo? I just got the phone mount for my ruck and am looking to run the same as you. Love the vids!
apps.apple.com/us/app/speedometer/id1460509229
so far is the grom worth it?? or should i save up for a ninja 500 instead?
There totally to different bikes. Grom is only going to hit 55-57 mph if you won’t faster definitely the ninja
Bro your intro 20 seconds long like when does the video start? 😭
his neautral easy to get into now
I want one but I’m 6’0 and muscular I’d look like a fool on this
I don’t think you will
Trust me you will. But trust me it’s sooo worth it and so much fun, better than full size bikes. Just make sure you wear a full face helmet so no one can recognize u
4or5speed? Price tag?
5 Speed 3,699
@@slowridersmotovlog201 how would you compare this to a monkey?
@@slowridersmotovlog201 out the door thou..5k??? At least here in NC.
@@jessbailey6718 yes your pretty close.
i wish honda put a 150 cc on this biike
Too expensive, too slow, but fun,
It's not that slow, in urban traffic you leave any other bike behind, for open road you buy the Honda windshield, a high flow filter and 70 mph is not slow for a 125cc bike.
Too expensive for what you get. Simply overpriced. Buy a entry level ktm
Entry level ktm doesn't get that mgp. Nor the after market support or the community.
Get whatever bike you want, but it's silly to deny different people want different things. Also an entry ktm is taller
ewww KTM
Too expensive for someone who has never owned a Grom and has no idea what a unique model on the market offers, which only Honda knows and can do.
get a CFMoto Papio SS for cheaper, if you're not big on modding, which is a company that works with KTM. =P
@@CheapSushi Comparing the CFmoto Papio with the Honda Grom is like comparing a Ferrari with a garbage truck, please do not recommend stupid things.
Overpriced scooter. Buy a ktm entey level bike
you are ignorant