Japanese Militarism - Marco... Polo... - Extra History - Part 5

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    League of Nations General Assembly, Geneva, Switzerland, February 24th, 1933. After the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, the League of Nations had tasked British politician Lord Lytton to investigate the circumstances of the Mukden Incident. With the report in hand, The League of Nations votes to condemn Japan as the aggressor but Japan refuses to accept the report conducted by the assembly. Withdrawing from the League of Nations and looking to different allies.
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  • @extrahistory
    @extrahistory  2 роки тому +203

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    • @MMMATTTYYY
      @MMMATTTYYY 2 роки тому +1

      I LOVE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORE TOPICZ LIKE THIS U ARE CHEERISHED

    • @mapboardgames9046
      @mapboardgames9046 2 роки тому

      I doubt even World Anvil can make sense of Kingdom Hearts lore.

    • @TheCreator1197
      @TheCreator1197 2 роки тому

      Since we're talking about imperial Japan, surely the flag in these animations is wrong?

    • @jamessorason2430
      @jamessorason2430 2 роки тому

      Yeah bro 😎 and the boys were

    • @Pink_Invader
      @Pink_Invader 2 роки тому

      I think that saying "thanks for helping us "forge" today's historical tale may sounds good on your head but when said it sounds more like you are forging the story lolol

  • @TheFirstAifos
    @TheFirstAifos 2 роки тому +467

    “Bringing an end to the path nobody knew they were walking.”
    Snap, that was a good quote!

  • @nathanialt.59
    @nathanialt.59 2 роки тому +879

    When you're familiar with this period of Japanese History, all of a sudden the military government and politics portrayed in Full Metal Alchemist make a lot more sense.

    • @nygge
      @nygge 2 роки тому +64

      ... Huh, interesting view on the manga and actually makes sense. Wonder where the inspiration for Ishbal came from then (Briggs could be borders to Russia).

    • @nicholashaney278
      @nicholashaney278 2 роки тому +57

      @@nygge Ishbal is a mixture of Middle Eastern cultures I think. Drachma is obviously Russia. Captain Buccaneer even has a Manchu style mustache.

    • @nathanialt.59
      @nathanialt.59 2 роки тому +48

      @@nygge Ishval might be an analogy for the Ainu people of northern Japan

    • @mattisnoren484
      @mattisnoren484 2 роки тому +20

      @@nathanialt.59 Not strange for them to represent jews either, with how much western culture is going on within the manga.

    • @nygge
      @nygge 2 роки тому +79

      With this in mind, is FMA one of the few Japanese mangas that actually shows criticism of the Japanese military and it's war crimes during WWII (represented by the Ishbal war)? Is rare for me to see talks about that period in manga.

  • @manuelacosta9463
    @manuelacosta9463 2 роки тому +718

    In a way the Japanese military of that era repeatedly going rogue really set the tone for their future 'strategic' goals in WW2: capture territory and resources followed by something, something something.

    • @hurgcat
      @hurgcat 2 роки тому +68

      Something something something oil,
      something something something rubber

    • @torstikinnunen3801
      @torstikinnunen3801 2 роки тому +90

      Phase 1: collect territory
      Phase 2:
      Phase 3: profit

    • @deadby15
      @deadby15 2 роки тому +14

      Yeah, definitely they should have acted in a more civilized way.... Just like morally impeccable European colonists, who created heavens on earth in Asia and Africa.

    • @ethank5059
      @ethank5059 2 роки тому +40

      The funny thing about capturing territory and resources was that the Japanese still had to get those resources back to Japan to be of any use meanwhile the US was waging unrestricted submarine warfare and sinking Japanese merchant ships. A successful allied submarine campaign would render the entire capture of the resources meaningless which was something Japan really should have seen coming.

    • @svidentkyrponos7530
      @svidentkyrponos7530 2 роки тому +46

      @@deadby15 Nice sarcasm
      Now ask anybody from southeast asia, china or korea if they were trated fairly under japanese rule

  • @samuellove9619
    @samuellove9619 2 роки тому +145

    Japan:
    steps up to the podium
    "we can't accept this report"
    doesn't elaborate
    Leaves

    • @dbrokensoul
      @dbrokensoul 2 роки тому +4

      What a power move

    • @CriticalMassIndex
      @CriticalMassIndex 2 роки тому +8

      It’s a diplomatic “deez nuts”

    • @intergalactic92
      @intergalactic92 2 роки тому +2

      Japan was a founding member so had a veto on any vote. They literally had the power to overturn any vote against them.

    • @absolutumiocus2749
      @absolutumiocus2749 2 роки тому

      To translate: Yo mum demands I withdraw from Manchuria.

    • @Somali_Salamander
      @Somali_Salamander 3 місяці тому

      So for you non-nerds, this is basically pulling up a middle finger and walking out without elaboration

  • @harrisonlee9585
    @harrisonlee9585 2 роки тому +338

    "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" is still one of the wildest attempts at spin I've ever heard

    • @timothystamm3200
      @timothystamm3200 2 роки тому +42

      And now I now where Gundam Unicorn got "Side Co-Prosperity Sphere."

    • @harrisonlee9585
      @harrisonlee9585 2 роки тому +22

      @@timothystamm3200 The Federation and the Vist Foundation really leaned hard into some tropes

    • @timothystamm3200
      @timothystamm3200 2 роки тому +55

      @@harrisonlee9585 Frankly I'm starting to think all of Gundam is just an attempt to teach the history of this time period in Japanese history and the dangers of lack of civilian control, serial escalation, corruption, and crises in civil governance.

    • @carteriffic1681
      @carteriffic1681 2 роки тому +5

      @@timothystamm3200 Amogus

    • @timothystamm3200
      @timothystamm3200 2 роки тому +2

      @@carteriffic1681 What?

  • @Shadowreaper5
    @Shadowreaper5 2 роки тому +551

    It's fascinating to me, as a westerner, to be told how much the Japanese revere the emperor, and then see time and again throughout history how "for the emperor" is used as justification for all sorts of things

    • @alphaviki7987
      @alphaviki7987 2 роки тому +134

      Tbh similar idea-sets exist all over the world and is used to excuse all sorts of atrocities: 'For the Revolution', 'For the Mother-/Fatherland', 'For safety', etc. whatever is most important to people at the time is used to excuse inexcusible actions, like mass murder, war, torture and trying to seize power illegitimatly. In the end everybody must judge themselves if the end really justify the means and not if by going the path of blood you become the very thing you wanted to take down. In the end, the easiest way to go is to just try to forgive, love and understand each other. Violence and hate will always fuel more violence and hate.

    • @krankarvolund7771
      @krankarvolund7771 2 роки тому +80

      Just like when we do things for God no? ^^
      Except that God can't get down and say "Hey stop, I don't want that!" XD

    • @alphaviki7987
      @alphaviki7987 2 роки тому +45

      @@krankarvolund7771 Exactly. The humans create their own image what a god would want, meanwhile most religions have behaviour patterns that work well formulated, but those are often ignored for a tiny detail in some script, maybe even being there because of a copying or translation mistake, which is then used as evidence to justify ones actions. Meanwhile ignoring the basic rules.

    • @magmat0585
      @magmat0585 2 роки тому +46

      @@alphaviki7987 Yep, in the USA its either "for the children" or "to fight terrorism", where terrorism is anyone the powers that be don't like.

    • @crzylkfx
      @crzylkfx 2 роки тому +30

      @@magmat0585 no, for the US it’s more “to protect and/or spread democracy”. Even in Iraq and Afghanistan where terrorism played a big role, spreading democracy was still a big selling point

  • @xcw4934
    @xcw4934 2 роки тому +841

    So if playing Japan in HOIV is accurate, you'd load the game and then not be able to do anything except watch while your army and navy go off and start wars on their own in a totally disorganised, piecemeal fashion while actively trying to undermine each other and refuse orders from you entirely.

    • @ethank5059
      @ethank5059 2 роки тому +180

      While also trying to dodge assassination attempts

    • @dgmithril
      @dgmithril 2 роки тому +152

      Paradox would probably make that an expansion and charge $25.

    • @camcarmichael8996
      @camcarmichael8996 2 роки тому +71

      That's just playing with coops

    • @AsbestosMuffins
      @AsbestosMuffins 2 роки тому +52

      with the way the movement system derps out in HOI, that's about right. I always enjoyed planning a push only for my troops to get on a ship and redeploy halfway around the world with no supplies for some reason

    • @sushikazuki5945
      @sushikazuki5945 2 роки тому +47

      @@AsbestosMuffins look they needed to support the Peruvian front in the Tuvan-French war, I'm sure you understand.

  • @Googledeservestodie
    @Googledeservestodie 2 роки тому +114

    These events are personal to me because somewhere in that spectacle of violence is grandma, who would become a refugee out of China and go to Vietnam where she met grandpa, and then another War happens in Vietnam and they became refugees *again,* Dad was born a Vietnamese refugee and the whole family finally reached America by the 80s, and I was born here in America in the '90s.

  • @jorgelotr3752
    @jorgelotr3752 2 роки тому +128

    This series is becoming the perfect example of everything that's wrong with zealotry: from seeking your desired result at any cost without thinking about what comes after or worrying if the "any cost" is something you can really afford, to the haughtiness of advocating your prejudices as the "will", "desire" or "needs" of someone or something you haven't bothered to consult with.
    And about the Emperor's silence, there's an easy reason: how has been able the Japanese Imperial Family to become the longest lasting uninterrupted ruling family? They got very good very soon at being just ornaments. Meiji was an outlier. An Emperor of Japan won't give his opinion about politics unles directly and specifically asked, no matter what he desires, and shall preferrable give said opinion in a roundabout way, unless things are very dire (the directness, not the "unless asked). This is also why he didn't overturn the resignement of that PM, despite the fact that doing so would have taken the wind out of the sails of the extremists. He had been conditioned from infancy to behave like that.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 2 роки тому +8

      Meiji is not an outlier, he is the same as Hirohito. He is beholden to an oligarchy of first-fielders and ambitious men that governed independently under his name. His father Emperor Komi though, is the outlier since he is the one that actually exercises his power as Emperor... Except what he wants is Sonno Joi (expelling the foreigners and their foreign ways)...

    • @jorgelotr3752
      @jorgelotr3752 2 роки тому +9

      @@theotherohlourdespadua1131 From what I know about japanese history, some time inbetween the Nara period and the Heian period, and before the figure of the shogun gained any significant power, the emperor became a figurehead of the Minister of the Left (which was almost always either a Fujiwara or a Fujiwara by marriage). Then the shogun raised to power and there were political tensions between him and the Fujiwaras, followed by the civil wars called the Warring States (Sengoku) period, which ultimately culminated with the Tokugawa Shogunate.
      During the Tokugawa Shogunate, the figure of the Emperor, which was already just decorative, became cemented as a zero to the left, and it kept being so until the Meiji Restoration. From every source I have come across (though I admit I haven't gone in-depth), including EH's series about the Meiji Restoration, there were no exceptions to the rule until Meiji, all of the shenanigans started to happen way after Meiji was enthroned and Meiji played an at least somewhat active part in the whole thing.
      And from what I know about world history, Meiji was lucky that a lot of people in high places wanted an absolute or semi-absolute monarch, otherwise he would have either met a tragic accident or sadly passed away due to some fulminant disease.

    • @MrGksarathy
      @MrGksarathy 5 місяців тому +1

      @@jorgelotr3752 There are maybe 3 or 4 emperors who exercised any real power as per their station. A few more managed to do so as retired emperors, but they don't really count.

    • @jorgelotr3752
      @jorgelotr3752 5 місяців тому +1

      @@MrGksarathy my point exactly. Those were outliers, while the general trend was having emperors that had been raised as good puppets. In fact, while in Europe courtiers had to make sure that the next monarch would be easily manipulable by pruning the more proactive candidates from among the current monarch's children, in Japan, for long time, they kept the entire imperial family in a section made specifically for them, booting those without the proper parentage (not important enough non-imperial family member) or too fussy as Minamotos and Genjis (descendants of the imperial family with no claim to the throne) and choosing the next emperor from the ones that remained (i.e. the ones perceived as easy to manipulate).

  • @ThePizzaGoblin
    @ThePizzaGoblin 2 роки тому +99

    No military objectives for a total war? Man, what did they think was gonna happen?

    • @nicodalusong149
      @nicodalusong149 2 роки тому +34

      That's probably the thing though, they didn't think at all. They just did.

    • @rparl
      @rparl 2 роки тому +6

      Arguably, the US involvement in Vietnam was because there were some super cool weapon systems that the Army was itching to try out.

    • @ThePizzaGoblin
      @ThePizzaGoblin 2 роки тому +13

      @@rparl yeah that's another war without any real military objective.

    • @user-oh6eg4ny3h
      @user-oh6eg4ny3h 2 роки тому +3

      The US in Vietnam was heavily criticized by ww2 US vets. Vets like Eisenhower said to the Johnson administration that if your gonna fight a war against north Vietnam then actually fight one and not half ass it. Johnson ignored. US troops weren’t allowed into north Vietnam which angered US troops cause now they feel what’s the point of fighting if your not gonna attack the enemy. US pilots weren’t allowed to bomb Hanoi till 1972. They weren’t allowed to bomb SAM sites unless fired upon incase there were soviets advisors around the SAM sites with fears of escalating the war. US troops couldn’t go to the Ho chi men trail except for bombing runs by the Air Force.
      Douglas MacArthur said Vietnam was pointless he warned Kennedy. Saying it wasn’t worth going there to Kennedy

    • @matthewcoster5535
      @matthewcoster5535 Місяць тому

      Honestly most of it was younger officers, green officers, who were barely educated, charging off to wet their swords in blood and win glory. Only to starve a few years later, their glory burned to embers around them along with their friends, brothers and likely other relatives when militaries with more cohesive planning decided to attack them instead.

  • @abcdef27669
    @abcdef27669 2 роки тому +311

    League of Nations: "So, why Japan is attacking China?"
    Japan: "Yes".

    • @FrogAndAHat
      @FrogAndAHat 2 роки тому +33

      "IDK I got bored"

    • @rachel_sj
      @rachel_sj 2 роки тому +35

      "No, the whole point of the League of Nations is to not take over the world!"
      And Japan was like: "How bout I do, anyway?"

    • @arsarma1808
      @arsarma1808 2 роки тому +10

      "Uh just a slight weapons malfunction. Everything is under control here. How are you?"

    • @oscaranderson5719
      @oscaranderson5719 2 роки тому

      @JB you’d think pretending to have rules and having no rules is basically the same but man is it a world of difference.
      shame about the racism tho, the League really only emboldened the ultranationalists with it.

  • @M.E.ANDHistory
    @M.E.ANDHistory 2 роки тому +168

    If Japanese history is brought up again, I'd love to see a mini-video on a certain little-known failed assassination attempt known as the Ōtsu Incident.

  • @seanmcloughlin5983
    @seanmcloughlin5983 2 роки тому +542

    I’m curious and I hope this’ll be explained in lies, is there any reason Hirohito is drawn without glasses?
    Like plenty of the other people are drawn with them, and I’ve only ever seen pictures of him with glasses on, so was this an artistic decision, did he only wear glasses in public?

    • @agentg7227
      @agentg7227 2 роки тому +52

      That's actually very good point :/ no idea why

    • @wouterkessel5030
      @wouterkessel5030 2 роки тому +167

      I think his glasses were mainly reading glasses and with pretty much every filmed public appearance of him he was either ratifying a treaty/law or reading a pre-written speech. As such he always had to read in public appearances. However I'm not completely sure on this as sources differ on wether this was true or wether that was a claim made by the Japanese government to hide the fact that their 'god' emperor was actually near blind without glasses.

    • @davepeters4955
      @davepeters4955 2 роки тому +34

      @@wouterkessel5030 president Roosevelt was very careful to not be seen as handicapped, and no one thought of him as a god. Weakness has to be hidden by those in power.

    • @mzamroni
      @mzamroni 2 роки тому +20

      Glasses are like wheel chair for eyes - Veep, Selina Meyer

    • @rickyboii5971
      @rickyboii5971 2 роки тому +20

      @@mzamroni when the last chinese emperor puyi was discovered to be near sighted, there was a great debate over if they would give him glasses or not.

  • @Sirmatthaeus
    @Sirmatthaeus 2 роки тому +96

    Random unrelated history fact:
    Mongolia was technicaly involved in WW2 because they clashed with the Japanese at their borders.

    • @theoneandonlydetraebean8286
      @theoneandonlydetraebean8286 2 роки тому +27

      They also allied with the Soviet Union as a satellite nation to prevent being annexed by China.

    • @GeneralLuigiTBC
      @GeneralLuigiTBC 2 роки тому +10

      Hopefully, Extra History will do a one-off or two-off on the Soviet-Japanese Border Conflict and/or the Battle of Khalkin Gol one of these days. Patrons really only get to vote on the bigger series; shorter topics are largely at the staff's discretion.

    • @ethank5059
      @ethank5059 2 роки тому +1

      History with Hilbert recently did a good video on Mongolia in WWII which of course included the battle of Khalkin Gol but also discussed their role in supporting the Soviet Union in fighting against the Germans as well as the Soviet invasion of Manchuria in the final days of the war.

  • @Somewhat-Evil
    @Somewhat-Evil 2 роки тому +260

    In all fairness most of the Nations in the League were shameless in their own Imperialism. The Dutch and English being the two prime examples.

    • @deadby15
      @deadby15 2 роки тому +30

      Kind Leopold II: (Whew...)

    • @Somewhat-Evil
      @Somewhat-Evil 2 роки тому +47

      @@deadby15 Yes, Belgium might be one of the worst offenders. You don't expect such monstrous behavior from people that make such delicious waffles. I was only concerned with Asian colonialism, so Leopold II got a pass for the Congo from me earlier.

    • @SusCalvin
      @SusCalvin 2 роки тому +1

      USA and their wilsonian ideals are the big ideological opposition to Japan at this point. The US public reads the paper about japanese atrocities in China and Korea. They think Chiang and his nationalists are the legitimate Chinese government.
      A lot of the european great powers wouldn't mind having Japan in the great powers club. What they think is getting less relevant though, the Great War has weakened them all. Some of them don't mind that Japan has a legitimate sphere of interest.

    • @confusion40
      @confusion40 Рік тому +2

      @@deadby15 nearly forgot about him

    • @alexeecs
      @alexeecs Рік тому +2

      Well none of those nations regularly killed their own politicians

  • @AegixDrakan
    @AegixDrakan 2 роки тому +329

    Wait, so they started a war with china...That they had no idea what to do with? **facepalm**
    An object lesson in why you don't let the military run everything. Because when all you have is a hammer (or a lot of guns), everything starts to look like a nail (or something shootable). :(

    • @HamSaladtv
      @HamSaladtv 2 роки тому +60

      French PM Clemenceau once said War is too important to be left to the generals. He was right.

    • @nicodalusong149
      @nicodalusong149 2 роки тому +31

      Well, that's military 'intelligence' for you. It's not actually very intelligent at all.

    • @ethank5059
      @ethank5059 2 роки тому +9

      Yep and many of their conquests ended up backfiring. For instance Japan was facing food shortages during the war and yet often times they would capture cities and population centers but not the rural areas growing the food. Suddenly they were forced to try to feed Chinese cities when they could barely even feed themselves. A lot of Japanese victories were basically "one step forward two steps backwards."

    • @wtfbros5110
      @wtfbros5110 2 роки тому +3

      @@HamSaladtv Clemenceau sure talk big for someone responsible for all this mess

    • @None-Baryl
      @None-Baryl 2 роки тому +3

      @@ethank5059 This is also one of the key locations for most Resistance's especially CCP utilized the guerrilla tactic to defend against the invasion.

  • @nuclearnadal4869
    @nuclearnadal4869 2 роки тому +44

    Japan: Marco
    China: Polo
    Japan: Invades China

  • @joshuafrimpong244
    @joshuafrimpong244 2 роки тому +308

    You know, I just learned that if Hirihito had just affirmed his rule, as he did to the imperial way, Japan, and in extension Asia, could have been sheilded from years of bloodshed

    • @florians9949
      @florians9949 2 роки тому +55

      Most crisis of the 20th century would have been avoided by such simple actions.

    • @AmanKumarPadhy
      @AmanKumarPadhy 2 роки тому +83

      Dont you think, these militarists would have placed a puppet emp, like a pretender, or his son?

    • @speedy01247
      @speedy01247 2 роки тому +91

      @@AmanKumarPadhy they would judging by their reaction to his surrender at the end of the war.

    • @cypressz
      @cypressz 2 роки тому +128

      They eventually tried a coup after the nukes, so not really. They're weren't loyal to the Emperor, but the idea of him.

    • @joshuafrimpong244
      @joshuafrimpong244 2 роки тому +27

      And risk the outcry of the populace by turning him form a technical puppet to an actual one? Probably not, but that may have happened

  • @notaspy1227
    @notaspy1227 2 роки тому +876

    Yes the worlds premier diplomats, The British.

    • @theoneandonlydetraebean8286
      @theoneandonlydetraebean8286 2 роки тому +87

      Absolutely nothing can go wrong...

    • @AdmiralDevil
      @AdmiralDevil 2 роки тому +54

      You mean premier invader's?

    • @notaspy1227
      @notaspy1227 2 роки тому +103

      *Japan walks out*
      Everyone:…
      The British: Oh no! Well anyway.

    • @AdmiralDevil
      @AdmiralDevil 2 роки тому +8

      @@notaspy1227 that's funny

    • @derekcouzens9483
      @derekcouzens9483 2 роки тому +53

      As we have invaded 178 of 200 countries, we are very happy to try to clean up the mess we probably created ...

  • @jokehu7115
    @jokehu7115 2 роки тому +742

    I know that this is a series for the rise of Japanese Militarism and not the crimes and the war itself but some facts on how barbaric the army was would have drivin the point in more. because 7:09 the Nanjing Massacre was on scale maybe even the worst thing humanity ever has done but ''smaller incidents'' happened sadly all the time.

    • @onlyliesandabottleofshit2009
      @onlyliesandabottleofshit2009 2 роки тому +121

      the nanking massacre is a topic unsuited for a video, if you keep to the facts you have to neglect the human side of things, if you focus on the humanitarian catastrophe you lose the necassary rational distance of an informative video. Try to find a middle ground wont leave anyone satisfied as well, so its better just mentioned and if there is interest everyone can find their information themselfs.

    • @andreboden1437
      @andreboden1437 2 роки тому +53

      I wish they had used its real name. Not sure if I can type that name here but its very appropriate due to he scale of the horrors committed. Much more then "just" a massacre.

    • @lexofexcel886
      @lexofexcel886 2 роки тому +73

      It's haunting how Nanjing was basically a microcosm of the war itself. The out-of-control and unaccountable military visiting untold horrors upon those they conquer for no real reason other than because they can.

    • @cseijifja
      @cseijifja 2 роки тому +31

      @@andreboden1437 ww2 was full of massacres mate, most of what the japanese did , had been done before and would be done after , in berlin , for example, wars an ugly thing , worse with dehumanization going on.

    • @DarkonFullPower
      @DarkonFullPower 2 роки тому +20

      That is usually what the "lies" video is for

  • @tomriddle6812
    @tomriddle6812 2 роки тому +61

    Keep up the awesome work EC! Every episode is a gift to us.

  • @virgiljianu7166
    @virgiljianu7166 2 роки тому +84

    So the Japanese plan as to how to successfully conquer China was exactly like someone telling you that he's planning to do his homework literally on the way to school.

    • @nicodalusong149
      @nicodalusong149 2 роки тому +27

      Not on the way to school, he's nearly at the front gate.

    • @DoctorDeath147
      @DoctorDeath147 2 роки тому +5

      More like he's telling you he's planning to do it while the deadline was last month.

  • @Epic0201
    @Epic0201 2 роки тому +150

    I wonder, during the movie about the japanese emperor and japan just after they surrendered, they mentioned an attack on the imperial palace by a faction, all this kinda reminds me of that part of the movie, could we get an extra episode covering that ?

    • @melissamarsh2219
      @melissamarsh2219 2 роки тому +25

      I’d like a series about the Japanese surrender and the Tokyo war trials. It’s a sort of sequel to this.

    • @michaelramon2411
      @michaelramon2411 2 роки тому +23

      I suspect that was the attempt by radical youth soldiers (they had a lot of those over the years) to seize the audio disc of the emperor's declaration of surrender and put him in "protective custody". Because if you've learned anything about Japanese history from these videos, it's that no one cares less about what the emperor thinks should be done than the people most professing loyalty to him. (The attempt failed, obviously.)

    • @ahmadniam3568
      @ahmadniam3568 2 роки тому +3

      Wait isn't that incident happen before Japanese declaration of surrender?

    • @melissamarsh2219
      @melissamarsh2219 2 роки тому +11

      @@ahmadniam3568 yes, they tried to stop the Emperor from surrendering

    • @tetsu1000
      @tetsu1000 2 роки тому +4

      I think you are referring to Japan's Longest Day (1965) which features Kyūjō incident.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 2 роки тому +14

    "All Hirohito had to do to stop this madness was speak up."
    Remind you of anyone?

    • @crzylkfx
      @crzylkfx 2 роки тому +1

      Any authoritarian country where the leader has tons of power

  • @creatoruser736
    @creatoruser736 2 роки тому +134

    Of course the League of Nations didn't object to British and French control of the Middle East. Those were approved by the League itself as mandates in the early 20s. Japan also got mandates out of that, having gotten island chains in the central Pacific. But the League doesn't approve of invading Manchuria a decade later and suddenly Japan cries that it's not being treated fairly.

    • @Hollows1997
      @Hollows1997 2 роки тому +23

      Also given the fact that both Britain and France were the 1920s/30s equivalent of the UN Security Council, who could exactly object?

    • @Nolaris3
      @Nolaris3 2 роки тому +34

      There is a key difference between "mandate" and "colony/territory" in the definition of the League of Nations. Mandates had a class system which determined how each territory should be treated. Much of the Middle East were "Class A", meaning that the French and British were supposed to keep these places in trust before preparing them for independence. While this process had many flaws, all of them will (officially) receive independence according to the mandate (Iraq 1932, Syria and Lebanon 1941, Jordan 1946, Palestine 1947).
      In contrast, Japanese Pacific gains were "Class C", meaning that these territories were not culturally or economically developed enough and was best made integral to Japan. The LON still mandated these areas to be demilitarized, in which Japan would frequently violate.
      As for China, the invasion of Manchuria had no real legal basis or reason to be approved by the League. China appealed under Article 11 and there was actually unanimity but for a partial withdrawal, proposing to make Manchuria an autonomous state under China. By this point Japan was already consolidating their gains and had little to care about what the League thought. Worse, after Japan left the League, there were virtually no sanctions levelled against them, essentially cracking it's credibility as an organization.

    • @gabbyn978
      @gabbyn978 2 роки тому +8

      @@Nolaris3 The problem of the League of Nations was that they didn't have any means to enforce their decisions, like the United Nations with their troops (which also failed several times, like in Srebrenica or Ruanda).

  • @Kabutoes
    @Kabutoes 2 роки тому +47

    The Marco Polo incident started when the Japanese garrison did a headcount and found one soldier missing and demanded the Chinese give up the Japanese soldier who was not even present on their side. none of them reached an agreement and they fired on each other. the next morning, the Japanese soldier did turn up, he fell asleep in a brothel on the japanese side the night of.

    • @lostdamn1285
      @lostdamn1285 2 роки тому +3

      How did the war of Shanghai started is even more ludicrous

    • @sebastianhicnapie8170
      @sebastianhicnapie8170 2 роки тому +12

      “Hey sorry guys went on a bender last night what did I miss?”
      “We’re at war”

    • @alexanderballa6152
      @alexanderballa6152 2 роки тому +2

      @@sebastianhicnapie8170 and to faul this war we will have an other war

  • @jimgolab536
    @jimgolab536 2 роки тому +50

    Very well done and interesting. I do think the artwork is wonderfully done - very clean but definitely enhancing the storytelling.

  • @petersmythe6462
    @petersmythe6462 2 роки тому +19

    "withdrawn from the league of nations"
    It's like when a country withdraws from the NPT. You know that they're about to build nukes.

  • @jasondouglas6755
    @jasondouglas6755 2 роки тому +111

    Hope you guys make a series about post war Japan.

    • @ecurewitz
      @ecurewitz 2 роки тому +4

      That will be cool

  • @marygebbie6611
    @marygebbie6611 2 роки тому +17

    I think something to expand upon is that the Buddhists institutions in Japan were very pro-military because they were coming out of decades of persecution themselves and wanted to be seen as good supportive Japanese citizens. During the Meiji era when Japan institutionalized the State Shino (the new purist Japan religion and the emporer is a god version of Shintoism) as the country's religion, many Buddhist temples and religious artifacts were destroyed, Buddhist monks were even attacked and killed. Even during the war, Buddhist temples were strictly controlled, making sure they didn't pass on any teachings of questioning leaders who go against the Dharma and whatnot.

  • @stevemc01
    @stevemc01 2 роки тому +47

    Japanese militarism in a nutshell:
    Every few seconds, somewhere in the world, someone's like "wait Japan did WHAT??"

    • @cocoabeanz6171
      @cocoabeanz6171 2 роки тому +3

      this deserves more likes

    • @absolutumiocus2749
      @absolutumiocus2749 2 роки тому +4

      And before that:
      Someone in the civillian government is like: Wait, we did WHAT??"

    • @karlshorstzwei
      @karlshorstzwei 2 роки тому +3

      @@absolutumiocus2749 Shortly after that:
      "Milord Minister?"
      "Yes?"
      "We accept your resignation."
      *boom headshot*

  • @korraviking7036
    @korraviking7036 2 роки тому +26

    Moral of the story always bring an axe with you EVERYWHERE

    • @AdmiralDevil
      @AdmiralDevil 2 роки тому +2

      No the moral is KILL EVERYTHING THAT ISN'T YOUR COUNTRY MEN

  • @brandanberg1716
    @brandanberg1716 2 роки тому +22

    Didn't newspapers write about two officers going on a rampage murdering civilians in Nanjing and wasn't this fact known by the government at the time and even praised by them?

  • @DuranmanX
    @DuranmanX 2 роки тому +32

    The 1930s certainly wasn't the decade for doves

  • @frankwu4747
    @frankwu4747 2 роки тому +4

    I like to think that the "Kings and Generals" channel's series covering the Pacific War is a natural sequel to this series.

  • @OopsFailedArt
    @OopsFailedArt 2 роки тому +9

    Thank you for your wonderful work on this series. This was one of the most interesting series you’ve done. I hope Lies goes a lot deeper on the final military take over as that seems to have been cut for time.

  • @UseZapCannon
    @UseZapCannon 2 роки тому +16

    I'm a big fan of this running theme of imperialists trying to turn Hirohito into the god-king of Japan, and him not wanting that at all and hating their guts

  • @user-uh7cb3vy4v
    @user-uh7cb3vy4v 2 роки тому +19

    God i love this series, good job extra credits!!

  • @kevinsworldK.w69
    @kevinsworldK.w69 2 роки тому +27

    At the beggining i was like
    " Wow, they really did actually say: How bout i do anyways? "

  • @tastefullysinfull5570
    @tastefullysinfull5570 2 роки тому +2

    Y'all are easily one of my favorite channels for history, I really wish y'all had a podcast with episodes based on this stuff so I could listen at work without having to worry about commercials and keeping my phone on constantly

  • @Hellingame
    @Hellingame 2 роки тому +53

    And regardless of why things happened or who was to blame, the ending result were the millions of innocent civilians throughout Greater China and SEA slaughtered and displaced by the Rising Sun.

  • @bw5020
    @bw5020 2 роки тому +3

    Man, I've never been so early for your work. LESSS GOOOOOO

  • @IM-xg2ki
    @IM-xg2ki 2 роки тому +7

    My favorite history channel, amazing work thank you!

  • @Sarara14
    @Sarara14 2 роки тому +34

    You know, this series on Japanese Militarism gives a lot of context to some of the plot the threads from latter half ofAttack on Titan. Corrupt civilian government usurped by the military to restore the emperor, interfactional fighting within the military, control of the press, military acting independently and starting wars with other nations, its all there in AoT as well!

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 2 роки тому +9

      Yeah but the AoT writer is kinda pro military and nationalistic

    • @HWDragonborn
      @HWDragonborn 2 роки тому +7

      @@carso1500 How is Isayama pro-military and nationalistic? AOT literally show how dangerous racism, fascism, militarism, ultranationalism, imperialism and colonialism really are and the fatal consequences when all six are mixed together.

  • @georgewilliams8448
    @georgewilliams8448 2 роки тому +8

    Thank you for another informative and well presented video.

  • @unsettled_jellybean5197
    @unsettled_jellybean5197 2 роки тому +11

    Thanks for the lessons

  • @alexcarew8650
    @alexcarew8650 2 роки тому +20

    Hello Ec crew, I love the work you guys do. Have a great day.

  • @theoutlook55
    @theoutlook55 2 роки тому +5

    Another great video. Thanks for this!

  • @juliancoenen4917
    @juliancoenen4917 2 роки тому +7

    This is a great series

  • @benkellman4577
    @benkellman4577 10 днів тому

    Thanks for diving all the way into this. I think most channels would have been reluctant to get into something this complex.

  • @circuitbreaker7765
    @circuitbreaker7765 2 роки тому +1

    The clothes and uniforms are absolutely timeless.

  • @stoneman472
    @stoneman472 2 роки тому +11

    The story of before and during WW2 is basically of how the Axis Powers where in a constant state of shooting themselves in the leg.

    • @ethank5059
      @ethank5059 2 роки тому +6

      The Axis powers were also just really bad communicators. The Japanese had no idea Germany was preparing to attack Poland or the Soviet Union and the Japanese didn't tell the Germans that they were about to attack the US and the British. The Axis also just had a really bad habit of starting wars, realizing they don't have the resources to win them and invading new countries to get the resources. By the start of 1942 the allies had the British Empire, most of China, most of the Soviet Union, all of North America and South America and most of Africa on their side. That's a lot of enemies.

  • @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719
    @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 2 роки тому +9

    It's pretty scary how out of controll the army was in japan.

    • @harukrentz435
      @harukrentz435 2 роки тому +1

      The Samurai was just like that.

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 2 роки тому

      What about the Daimyos and Shoguns?

    • @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719
      @nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 2 роки тому +3

      @@SlapstickGenius23 not the same thing at all. This was a modern parlamenrary state with a post enlightenment monarch who could essentially say anything and people would follow out of respect. The shogun and daimyo were a feudal structure

    • @SlapstickGenius23
      @SlapstickGenius23 2 роки тому

      @@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 oh!

    • @Bloodlyshiva
      @Bloodlyshiva Місяць тому

      Was?

  • @TheSpeedyPotato
    @TheSpeedyPotato 2 роки тому +14

    Love the video! Keep up the great work!

  • @minoru-kk
    @minoru-kk 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks for your great movie as usual.
    As one Japanese, I've been wanted explains in English
    why Japan had withdrawn from LN and why Marco Polo bridge incident had begun.
    I'm appreciated that the movie told about colonialism in LN, the uncertain incident, and lack of strategy in Japanese Government.

  • @KyleRayner12
    @KyleRayner12 2 роки тому +42

    This was a fascinating series. I hope that they eventually get to the post-war years and the US's involvement in Japan following the atomic bomb deployments.

  • @jokodihaynes419
    @jokodihaynes419 2 роки тому +5

    The call of nature started the marco polo bridge incident

  • @nuffens
    @nuffens 2 роки тому +8

    LL reminded me of another period famous L.L that being L. L. Zammenhoff, who I'd love to see an extra history episode about some time in the fuuture

  • @lsd-rickb-1728
    @lsd-rickb-1728 2 роки тому +2

    Your guy's animation on history are amazing and entertaining

  • @rikuvakevainen6157
    @rikuvakevainen6157 2 роки тому +23

    7:24 You have got to be kidding me. Even the Japan army had no idea?

    • @AdmiralDevil
      @AdmiralDevil 2 роки тому +4

      No they had an idea being kill everyone(that aren't Japanese

    • @liamdukes8095
      @liamdukes8095 2 роки тому +5

      renya mutaguchi(colonel at that time) order to assemble and attack, with his own decision. the worst toilet break in history
      (by that time 1937, politicians are too scared to step up AGAINST the military. and military don't really care about diplomatic approach on things)

    • @yko_7313
      @yko_7313 2 роки тому +3

      @@AdmiralDevil genius, I see no problem with this war plan.

  • @R0dolphus
    @R0dolphus 2 роки тому +6

    Title confused for a second
    then I remebered

  • @thecodemachine
    @thecodemachine 2 роки тому +12

    This needs to be a Mini-Series on the History Channel. I wish I learned about this in school.

    • @IAmTheAce5
      @IAmTheAce5 2 роки тому

      we don't need the 'History' Channel- this is better than anything broadcast on that poor excuse for a channel.

  • @connorwinton4343
    @connorwinton4343 Рік тому +3

    I would love it if you guys did a series on japan's post war history. From the U.S. occupation to the 90s, japanese post war history is just as interesting as it's prewar history.

  • @NeroIML
    @NeroIML 2 роки тому +15

    What countries voted in favor of Japan in the League of Nations. I assume Japan is one of them, but I don't really know where to look for information on the participating delegations.

    • @ProjectEkerTest33
      @ProjectEkerTest33 2 роки тому +1

      I'd assume either Germany or Italy

    • @olenickel6013
      @olenickel6013 2 роки тому +2

      I think that was a mistake in the video. As far as I know, all nations in the League voted against Japan

    • @jonnunn4196
      @jonnunn4196 2 роки тому +3

      @@olenickel6013 Except for Japan; who voted against the measure and didn't withdraw until right after the vote. (42 - 1)

    • @maxireigl1919
      @maxireigl1919 2 роки тому +12

      @@jonnunn4196 Yup, Japan was the only to object. The second vote not in favour was apparently Siam (more or less today's Thailand) abstaining.

  • @Shantari
    @Shantari 2 роки тому +1

    7:55 flashback to your series about the resource war in WWII.

  • @Thoralmir
    @Thoralmir 2 роки тому +16

    The Marco Polo Bridge Incident is important to know if one wishes to solve the mystery of the anime series "Higurashi no naku Koro ni"

  • @EastHelsinki
    @EastHelsinki 2 роки тому +8

    About the Lytton report vote in the league of nations... was the vote actually 42 to 1, or what other country stood beside Japan in the vote?
    Thank you again for a very interesting series! 💯💯

    • @kohwenxu
      @kohwenxu 2 роки тому +2

      It’s 42 to 1 in the Wikipedia

  • @sarasamaletdin4574
    @sarasamaletdin4574 2 роки тому +15

    League of Nations looks pretty diverse for 1933 here, was that really the case?

    • @TheFiresloth
      @TheFiresloth 2 роки тому +8

      Yes, Haïti, Liberia and Siam were members, for example.

  • @jabezabraham8692
    @jabezabraham8692 2 роки тому +1

    This series is great!

  • @matthewclements3476
    @matthewclements3476 2 роки тому +2

    Back in the heady days when a corruption scandal would cause a politician to resign.

  • @theslothinthetophat3353
    @theslothinthetophat3353 2 роки тому +2

    can you do a series on the second opiom war?

  • @jesusRUSdutch
    @jesusRUSdutch 2 роки тому +1

    The Marco-Polo Bridge Incident really had been a blow out for many Chinese and Japanese people.

  • @matthewle6344
    @matthewle6344 2 роки тому +3

    Wish this series finished before the end of my capstone last semester

  • @NTclaymore
    @NTclaymore 2 роки тому +1

    7:12 is the understatement of the year

  • @MrGilang100
    @MrGilang100 2 роки тому +2

    Imagine if HoI4 was historically accurate so when we plays japan the army and the navy doing god knows what while your country is constantly destabilizing.

  • @KolaNutKing
    @KolaNutKing 2 роки тому +2

    Japan: We did it! We’re at war with China!
    Me: Now what?
    Japan: ......I didn’t think this far ahead.

  • @hiddensquid183
    @hiddensquid183 2 роки тому +2

    "STOP! IF YOU'RE IN THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD!"
    And Japan said "🎶How 'bout I do, Anyway🎶"

  • @Too954
    @Too954 2 роки тому +3

    I love how adolf hitler’s name tag just say ah

  • @sirloin869
    @sirloin869 2 роки тому +25

    Manchuko sounds like a wrestlers nemesis,or a supervillan,or a disease-state...

    • @nicodalusong149
      @nicodalusong149 2 роки тому

      Sounds like a poisonous mushroom.

    • @Carewolf
      @Carewolf 2 роки тому

      Or like manchoko, or manchoochoo

  • @jacobtondro8451
    @jacobtondro8451 2 роки тому +7

    It's been neat watching these so soon after listening to the Behind The Bastards podcast on Fascism in Japan from the same timeframe.

  • @andromeda331
    @andromeda331 2 роки тому

    This is a great series. Thank you.

  • @lewiskaiyuancao9510
    @lewiskaiyuancao9510 2 роки тому +4

    Hi. I will like to point out a minor discrepancy between the map showed on 07:55 and the then effective treaties.
    Treaty of Shimonoseki/Maguan signed between Qing Empire and Imperial Japan in 1895 stated that Taiwan and its surrounding islands should be ceded to Japan. Japan only surrender the said territory after WWII. Therefore on this map, Taiwan should be painted red, as per to Japan's then occupation of Taiwan.

  • @tanmay9046
    @tanmay9046 2 роки тому

    Quite amazing series!!

  • @gabr.7878
    @gabr.7878 2 роки тому +1

    This is solid learning

  • @zkrmehsen5452
    @zkrmehsen5452 2 роки тому +1

    I didn't think that zoey with a human hand would look so unsettling but that sponsorship... Christ. Anywho, great vid as always EH.

  • @thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491
    @thestarwarsmusiccomposer3491 Рік тому +1

    Fun fact: The second vote against the league of Nations were that of thailand😃

  • @Dani751PL
    @Dani751PL 2 роки тому +9

    Exclusive sheckles go BRRR

  • @herbertsmagon5777
    @herbertsmagon5777 2 роки тому +1

    Thats a completely different explanation for the marco polo bridge incident than i have ever heard...

  • @scotandiamapping4549
    @scotandiamapping4549 2 роки тому +1

    The countries that voted against the condemnation in the Leauge of Nations were Japan and...?

  • @larryalvares1369
    @larryalvares1369 2 роки тому +2

    Nice.

  • @ticketschreiber3326
    @ticketschreiber3326 2 роки тому +4

    i have just noticed that Mussolinis initials mean Bad Macht

  • @danielhale1
    @danielhale1 2 роки тому +2

    Every step of this damned story is infuriating and frightening. Especially since no nation is immune.

  • @ElBandito
    @ElBandito 2 роки тому +1

    After WWII, Japan: Friendship ended with Bushido; now Hentai is my best friend.

    • @kasrkin100
      @kasrkin100 2 роки тому +1

      Toxic work cultures and karoshi: allow us to introduce ourself.

  • @herbertsmagon5777
    @herbertsmagon5777 2 роки тому +4

    Japan was right about western hypocrisy, as we can all see.

    • @BasicLib
      @BasicLib 2 роки тому +10

      Yh, that still in no way makes them not deserve what came to them...
      Even the Various colonized people of Asia till this day still agree
      Thankfully what happened ended Colonialism in the traditional sense for good and allowed national self determination

  • @normanfrank1532
    @normanfrank1532 2 роки тому

    This was better than I expected

  • @ayushtiwari8870
    @ayushtiwari8870 Рік тому

    amazing content

  • @Shahi-bangalah_1352
    @Shahi-bangalah_1352 Рік тому +1

    Extra credits,please make a series about the 1971 liberation war of bangladesh

  • @lerensajadah6469
    @lerensajadah6469 2 роки тому +5

    Yes, Japan created slogans when they came to South East Asia and promised the independence of the nation from Europe. The Slogans were :
    1. Nippon (Japan) as Guardian of Asia
    2. Nippon as Leader of Asia
    3. Nippon as the Light of Asia

    • @3dcomrade
      @3dcomrade 2 роки тому +3

      Indonesian eh? Me too, can confirm

  • @emilianoescudero322
    @emilianoescudero322 Рік тому

    I once read in a Book: "If you know what the Strategic Plan is, the means to achieve them, and the Political, Military and Economic objectives of Japan during the Interwar Period and World War II, you should go to Tokyo and report them to the Government, Army and Navy, I'm sure they would like to know too."
    The Big Problem with Japanese Militarism and Politics in these periods is that they were Factions and Cabals, with no long term Plan other than very general and generally conflicting goals and rhetoric. this turned Japan into a state that could only react rather than plan, Kept on down the path of the War they can't win