it is odd that these aren't getting more attention. I just got my 35mm for my FX30 and I'm also really impressed with the image/size/handling/value etc. I plan on adding the others later this year as I need them. Plus, it just looks so good on the cinema bodies (fx3/30) :D
I have the 24mm and it looks fantastic. I have an issue with mine drifting in manual focus that I'll be contacting Sanyang about. Besides that issue, I really like this series and despite it's light size it still feels well made.
@@CineD While in manual I'll move the focus ring to rack focus between two subjects and it will often randomly drift to infinity and back to closest focus. I can take my hand off of the focus ring and it will continue until it completes the full range. In AF it works fine.
I am waiting for these lenses to be completely released and see what they come up with the side additions...I never thought these could be filters. I wonder if they will be pricey, as the lenses aren´t (on paper). I am expectant😃. By the way, good and clear review!
Samyang once created autofocus RF lenses, but Canon actively sues every third-party autofocus RF lens so Samyang took those lenses back. Regarding traditional mounts, these mirrorless lenses have a rear element distance much shorter than PL, EF and F mounts. This is why there's effectively no other mount it can be manufactured to -- except for Nikon Z mount, but movie makers probably don't care about that one.
Hi! I'm Oliver from Hungary. I could test these lenses as well, and i have some questions. First, i tried to put it on the DJI 4d - because i think these are the perfect lenses for that - but sadly, i couldn't calibrate the focus, neither manually. Also, i couldn't use it when i turned off the AF on the camera. And i noticed that the lights on the lens are didn't work. After that, i tried it on a sony a7R IV. The AF was good, but when i switched to MF, sometimes worked wierd, like if i turned the focus ring to fast, the focus went to infinity, and came back very slowly. And also, sometimes it didn't followed my movement, and did the same. And my other problem was, that the focus pulling wasn't as fast, as i moved the ring, what is kind weird, if you selling a lens for cinema line - and there is no hard stops, what is funny, 'couz you can't calibrate a normal wireless FF :D. Did you notice this kind of problem? And during the AF, it couldn't handle the close point via touch focusing on the camera screen. It tried to reach it, but couldn't found it.
I have heard from others asking about the Ronin 4D, and I don't know why but I didn't try that yet ... will definitely try as well and contact DJI about it if they don't work. They should definitely make them work as they would be a perfect fit for it for sure. Regarding your other problems with MF, will try to replicate. I did not come across this problem. The lacking hard stops are an issue indeed, that's why I also think they can't properly call them "CineAF", you can't calibrate a wireless FF for them just like you said. Will also try the touch focus. Nino
There is. I think tilta and smallrig both sell those little focus wheels that attach to a rail that you would put underneath a cage. If you have a situation where you would need hardstops, you can afford the extra weitght and clunkyness a focus wheel would bring 👍
i love these lenses but I have a a 77mm pro mist filter and and 77 VND filter i would like to use inconjuction with these lenses, how do i go about doing that? would i need to get a step up adaptor? if so, which one?
I used to follow these lenses upon there release when they had Black Friday deals, Christmas Deal and End of the year deal. It was hard to find any info on them. But one thing that's extremely noticable to me is the Auto focus always seems off. Another UA-camr did an Auto focus test with the 75mm and it's apparent how much it misses focus. while walking it's always a slight blur on your subjects eyes then once he stands still, it seems to finally capture the focus, and once you movie again it's a slight Blur. I've noticed this in everyone's UA-cam videos. This could be a cheap alternative to Sony Lens but autofocus on Samyang still lacking IMO. Tamron and Sigma have the closest Autofocus to Sony.
It's a Photo lens rehoused in V-AF body. Samyang doesn't claim mimic Focus Pull. They claim Video Auto Focus like other lenses. They have the promotional video where you can run and this lens will keep you focused. Maybe now they have updated the software where it's better.
Good question. Yes, I think so, especially as a set because I have struggled with finding a whole range of lenses that looks the same and also works on a gimbal properly. I will probably buy the whole set for my work. Nino
Great review！Already Like and click the bell.Looking forward to see more information about this V-af lens set，especially how it perform on the DJI Ronin 4D！
They should have worked more on them. Cinema lenses with bad af and corner sharpness... And they are newly developed lenses. You didn't show fast movements where these lenses fall. But these also must be sold... I understand.
I tried to use them on a professional work (feature film) and final thoughts... they are useless, incredibly useless. They have some af issues that you can never overcome. they sometimes prefer to switch the manual mode randomly and set the aperture f1.8 which is wide open... And the focus ring, it turns till forever, never stops. it is impossible to use manual focus, especially with remote. Why do i need them, they are actually photo lenses, not for cinema.
I own and use these lenses. And have for quite some time. You are misleading people with the repeatable focus. These lenses are "fly by wite" and do act as such. There is a manual focus ring that changes that and provides hard stops and repeatable results...
@@CineD The Samyang V-AF Lenses DO I repeat DO work with the Ronin 4D and work a treat! You do need to change a setting on the lenses to make sure they work though otherwise you get weird 'bouncing back' behaviour due to the way the lens 'cine' manual focus. You need the AF Lens Station dock and the Lens Manager software from Samyang. There I would do an update as well. Everything on my Ronin and Lenses (24,35,75) are up to date. The important setting to change is under Custom S/W -> MF Mode and change to Normal Focus (ACC Control). Hit save and you now have a perfectly working lens, both in AF and AMF modes on the camera. Tried and confirmed with all lenses. Below is a pic of the setting and quick video proof of it working
T 1.5 at under $1000, hard stops for focus, or under $500 for the T1.9. Any of those things probably would have pushed me over the edge. These are a hard sell vs Sony's native 85 1.8, 35 1.8, and 20 1.8. All those lenses are almost the same size and weight, have the same filter thread, and have incredible autofocus and image quality for the price. I get what they're going for and love the direction, but it's just not quite there for me. An electronic ND that matches the quality of the fx6 would be absolutely amazing though.
the rendering on these do look nice and different, not so clinical like the sony lenses. the sony lenses also have focus breathing comp to control focus breathing & focus assist
They sent this set to our rental company to test out. The optics are below averege, image is suffering as a result. You are way better of getting a standard 1.8 lens from canon or nikon.
@@CineD Edge to edge sharpness and vignetting was below averege. You had to stop down quite a bit to recover optical performance. A lenses true performance can be seen when shot fully open and fully closed many times.
Again no test on a bigger body like the FX6... When the lenses came out the disfunctioned on a FX6 when I tested them.... it looks almost if reviewers are prohibited to test on a bigger system. Sure the AF lenses (also their non V-AF lenses) work great on mirrorless but why no one is testing on something else is beyond me. I think I know the answer why but it is a shame. Their 135 f1.8 AF lens is great on mirrorless body and for photography... stick it on a FX6 and it just doesn't work. Only with Samyang, other brands like Sigma and tamron work fine. Samyang claims to be working on firmwares by the way, but until that is released i think it is good to know to expect 0 AF on an FX6
For sure we are not "prohibited" to test them on anything, they didn't ask or demand anything specific, I just decided to use it on an Alpha camera because that's where they fit best in terms of size. I was unaware they are not working on an FX6. I did use at least one of them on an FX9 and it worked just fine. Maybe the ones I tested had a later firmware? Hard to say. I will test them again on an FX6 when back in Vienna next week, and see if the AF works. Will report. Nino
@@CineD Thx. Just really strange that no AF lens from Samyang is ever tested by a reviewer on an FX6, only on a7 bodies. Like 0, no one even thinks of testing it. Not a complaint directed at you but I was surprised again to see it also here happening. Also Samyang themself maybe not even have tested it properly because I was here in the Netherlands with the distributor last year to test out the 75 V-AF and they didn't know. And the same for lenses like: 18mm f2.8, 24 f1.8 and the 135 f1.8 af lenses. I also demonstrated that to the distributor. But samyang mentioned they would come with new firmwares. Most be some kind of implementation thing. I know on the FX9 the V-af 75 works
@@CineD So this is a response from a channel we are supposed take seriously? Last time I checked comments do not have a shutter angle. But by judging your crappy visuals you have trouble seeing stuff clearly. No wonder your engagement is just sad.
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it is odd that these aren't getting more attention. I just got my 35mm for my FX30 and I'm also really impressed with the image/size/handling/value etc. I plan on adding the others later this year as I need them. Plus, it just looks so good on the cinema bodies (fx3/30) :D
I completely agree - I think they are very much under the radar so far, but deserve more attention. Nino
you still have this same opinion a year later? i am looking at picking up the set
@@powdermuaythai still using it and still like it. Shame the anamorphic adapter is so expensive but at least it's available.
great review guys, i bought my 24mm on last week, in love with this lens, looks fantastic and the focus on a7s3 is awesome!
Thanks Diogo! I agree, great choice. Nino
I have the 24mm and it looks fantastic. I have an issue with mine drifting in manual focus that I'll be contacting Sanyang about. Besides that issue, I really like this series and despite it's light size it still feels well made.
Is it updated into v2 ?
@@miket2164 Yep fully updated
Interesting - what exactly is happening with the drifting? Curious, I'll try to reproduce. Nino
@@CineD While in manual I'll move the focus ring to rack focus between two subjects and it will often randomly drift to infinity and back to closest focus. I can take my hand off of the focus ring and it will continue until it completes the full range. In AF it works fine.
I am waiting for these lenses to be completely released and see what they come up with the side additions...I never thought these could be filters. I wonder if they will be pricey, as the lenses aren´t (on paper). I am expectant😃. By the way, good and clear review!
They might not be filters! That's just me guessing. But I am very curious to see what's coming as accessories. Nino
Samyang once created autofocus RF lenses, but Canon actively sues every third-party autofocus RF lens so Samyang took those lenses back. Regarding traditional mounts, these mirrorless lenses have a rear element distance much shorter than PL, EF and F mounts. This is why there's effectively no other mount it can be manufactured to -- except for Nikon Z mount, but movie makers probably don't care about that one.
an electronic nd… are you flirting with me?
It would be so nice, wouldn't it??
The possibilities…
Hi!
I'm Oliver from Hungary. I could test these lenses as well, and i have some questions. First, i tried to put it on the DJI 4d - because i think these are the perfect lenses for that - but sadly, i couldn't calibrate the focus, neither manually. Also, i couldn't use it when i turned off the AF on the camera. And i noticed that the lights on the lens are didn't work.
After that, i tried it on a sony a7R IV. The AF was good, but when i switched to MF, sometimes worked wierd, like if i turned the focus ring to fast, the focus went to infinity, and came back very slowly. And also, sometimes it didn't followed my movement, and did the same. And my other problem was, that the focus pulling wasn't as fast, as i moved the ring, what is kind weird, if you selling a lens for cinema line - and there is no hard stops, what is funny, 'couz you can't calibrate a normal wireless FF :D. Did you notice this kind of problem? And during the AF, it couldn't handle the close point via touch focusing on the camera screen. It tried to reach it, but couldn't found it.
I have heard from others asking about the Ronin 4D, and I don't know why but I didn't try that yet ... will definitely try as well and contact DJI about it if they don't work. They should definitely make them work as they would be a perfect fit for it for sure.
Regarding your other problems with MF, will try to replicate. I did not come across this problem. The lacking hard stops are an issue indeed, that's why I also think they can't properly call them "CineAF", you can't calibrate a wireless FF for them just like you said. Will also try the touch focus.
Nino
@@CineD thanks :) And if you will try the 4d with this lens, let me know the results :)
Which nd filter fit for this lens?
Yeah - which variable ND Filter can you recommend? @CineD
I need to buy these lenses for my project.
I actually don’t have a 50m lens so once the 45 comes out, I would buy it immediately.
any differene between this and the original AF e mount lenses? Image quality wise.
Wouldn’t using a focus wheel fix the manual focus issue?
What’s the deal with the weather sealing in these? Would I be able to use these in the rain or at the beach with the sand?
M1 use for manuly m2 use apatur?
Hard stops on the focus ring would have made them a home run.
Totally agree. There must be a way to add hard stops which can be enabled by flipping a switch on lenses.
There is.
I think tilta and smallrig both sell those little focus wheels that attach to a rail that you would put underneath a cage.
If you have a situation where you would need hardstops, you can afford the extra weitght and clunkyness a focus wheel would bring 👍
I hope they come for Fuji-mount soon, as well.
i love these lenses but I have a a 77mm pro mist filter and and 77 VND filter i would like to use inconjuction with these lenses, how do i go about doing that? would i need to get a step up adaptor? if so, which one?
Just use a step up ring 58mm to 77mm
kann ich damit auch fotos machen? sprich ist der autofocus dazu schnell genug?
I had the 75mm, focus was not repeatable. Sent it back to dealer.
Updated into v3 ?
Yeah I think you might have been on an older firmware. It worked fine on the test unit we had
So are these lenses f1.8 or t1.9?
That's the same. Both is correct.
I used to follow these lenses upon there release when they had Black Friday deals, Christmas Deal and End of the year deal. It was hard to find any info on them. But one thing that's extremely noticable to me is the Auto focus always seems off. Another UA-camr did an Auto focus test with the 75mm and it's apparent how much it misses focus. while walking it's always a slight blur on your subjects eyes then once he stands still, it seems to finally capture the focus, and once you movie again it's a slight Blur. I've noticed this in everyone's UA-cam videos.
This could be a cheap alternative to Sony Lens but autofocus on Samyang still lacking IMO. Tamron and Sigma have the closest Autofocus to Sony.
It's a cine lens. Not a photo lens. Af can be adjusted using the lens station. It is supposed to mimic a focus pull speed.
It's a Photo lens rehoused in V-AF body. Samyang doesn't claim mimic Focus Pull. They claim Video Auto Focus like other lenses. They have the promotional video where you can run and this lens will keep you focused. Maybe now they have updated the software where it's better.
Imagine these lenses pair with a FX30, plus If they bring an electronic ND… the dream
That fx30 is trash
What camera were you using?
Thanks for the review. Big question, would you buy them?
Good question. Yes, I think so, especially as a set because I have struggled with finding a whole range of lenses that looks the same and also works on a gimbal properly. I will probably buy the whole set for my work. Nino
Be nice if these become available for Mtf mount.
Can't see that happening.
what filter did you use?
ND Filter? Moment
My dream works be being able to use lenses like these on camera that don't have native autofocus systems, such as the BMPCC or Z Cam.
Can i use this on Sony APSC cameras?
Of course! You're just going to have a crop factor of about 1.5x
Great review！Already Like and click the bell.Looking forward to see more information about this V-af lens set，especially how it perform on the DJI Ronin 4D！
Thanks for the sub! The V-AFs are not automatically supported for calibration on the Ronin 4D by DJI, but manual calibration should work fine too.
These lenses are insane
do you need an adapter like sigma needs to put on a fx30?
No adapter, they are native E-Mount lenses
Very cool! Thanks!
Eager to test them when local broadcast expo begins. Thanks CineD for great video always. Do you think their reliability is trustworthy for filming?
They should have worked more on them. Cinema lenses with bad af and corner sharpness... And they are newly developed lenses. You didn't show fast movements where these lenses fall. But these also must be sold... I understand.
If you check Brandin Li's review you will find that these V AF lenses does not maintain accurate manual focus just like other fly by wire lenses.
The perfect lenses for the Ronin 4D
Can I use these lenses on sony fx30 camera ? Please tell me pros and cons .
Wouldn’t it be pointless to buy the MF adapter if the lens has focus breathing?
I tried to use them on a professional work (feature film) and final thoughts... they are useless, incredibly useless. They have some af issues that you can never overcome. they sometimes prefer to switch the manual mode randomly and set the aperture f1.8 which is wide open...
And the focus ring, it turns till forever, never stops. it is impossible to use manual focus, especially with remote.
Why do i need them, they are actually photo lenses, not for cinema.
What camera did you use with them?
@@CircuitBoardcokr fx3
A feature film production using autofocus??
@@benjamindover4337 yes, it was a mistake
I own and use these lenses. And have for quite some time. You are misleading people with the repeatable focus. These lenses are "fly by wite" and do act as such. There is a manual focus ring that changes that and provides hard stops and repeatable results...
Look really good
perfect for the ronin 4d
It should be, but apparently it's not compatible yet. We're contacting DJI to change that.
@@CineD The Samyang V-AF Lenses DO I repeat DO work with the Ronin 4D and work a treat!
You do need to change a setting on the lenses to make sure they work though otherwise you get weird 'bouncing back' behaviour due to the way the lens 'cine' manual focus.
You need the AF Lens Station dock and the Lens Manager software from Samyang. There I would do an update as well. Everything on my Ronin and Lenses (24,35,75) are up to date. The important setting to change is under Custom S/W -> MF Mode and change to Normal Focus (ACC Control). Hit save and you now have a perfectly working lens, both in AF and AMF modes on the camera. Tried and confirmed with all lenses. Below is a pic of the setting and quick video proof of it working
Win win.
T 1.5 at under $1000, hard stops for focus, or under $500 for the T1.9. Any of those things probably would have pushed me over the edge. These are a hard sell vs Sony's native 85 1.8, 35 1.8, and 20 1.8. All those lenses are almost the same size and weight, have the same filter thread, and have incredible autofocus and image quality for the price. I get what they're going for and love the direction, but it's just not quite there for me. An electronic ND that matches the quality of the fx6 would be absolutely amazing though.
Agreed on the electronic ND, that would be the killer argument for many
the rendering on these do look nice and different, not so clinical like the sony lenses. the sony lenses also have focus breathing comp to control focus breathing & focus assist
They sent this set to our rental company to test out. The optics are below averege, image is suffering as a result. You are way better of getting a standard 1.8 lens from canon or nikon.
What exactly did your rental company find out?
@@CineD Edge to edge sharpness and vignetting was below averege. You had to stop down quite a bit to recover optical performance. A lenses true performance can be seen when shot fully open and fully closed many times.
@@CineD I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about. He’s talking about sticking to a Nikon or Canon lens when these are exclusively Sony E Mount.
a bit too much blue in those shadows 🤪
Yeah, maybe I went overboard with the grading but I liked the look ;-) Nino
Again no test on a bigger body like the FX6... When the lenses came out the disfunctioned on a FX6 when I tested them.... it looks almost if reviewers are prohibited to test on a bigger system. Sure the AF lenses (also their non V-AF lenses) work great on mirrorless but why no one is testing on something else is beyond me. I think I know the answer why but it is a shame. Their 135 f1.8 AF lens is great on mirrorless body and for photography... stick it on a FX6 and it just doesn't work. Only with Samyang, other brands like Sigma and tamron work fine. Samyang claims to be working on firmwares by the way, but until that is released i think it is good to know to expect 0 AF on an FX6
For sure we are not "prohibited" to test them on anything, they didn't ask or demand anything specific, I just decided to use it on an Alpha camera because that's where they fit best in terms of size. I was unaware they are not working on an FX6. I did use at least one of them on an FX9 and it worked just fine. Maybe the ones I tested had a later firmware? Hard to say. I will test them again on an FX6 when back in Vienna next week, and see if the AF works. Will report. Nino
@@CineD Thx. Just really strange that no AF lens from Samyang is ever tested by a reviewer on an FX6, only on a7 bodies. Like 0, no one even thinks of testing it. Not a complaint directed at you but I was surprised again to see it also here happening. Also Samyang themself maybe not even have tested it properly because I was here in the Netherlands with the distributor last year to test out the 75 V-AF and they didn't know. And the same for lenses like: 18mm f2.8, 24 f1.8 and the 135 f1.8 af lenses. I also demonstrated that to the distributor. But samyang mentioned they would come with new firmwares. Most be some kind of implementation thing. I know on the FX9 the V-af 75 works
@@CineD If you have time, just check a regular AF Samyang lens (like the gorgeous 135 f1.8) or a V-AF on the FX6.
@@CineD any chance to test it on the fx6?
I really love this. No reaction here says it all…. They don’t work but no one is willing to tell anybody. Why is that?
whats with the vomit inducing slider shots?
The same as with your vomit inducing comments!
@@CineD So this is a response from a channel we are supposed take seriously? Last time I checked comments do not have a shutter angle. But by judging your crappy visuals you have trouble seeing stuff clearly.
No wonder your engagement is just sad.
We need more reviews for this product!!! 🫶🏽
I agree! Still don't understand why so few people took a look.