The 13th Faulty Mechanic in SSBM

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  • Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
  • The 13th and last faulty mechanic in Melee stems from an issue with the Run state. The fix for this mechanic is notable in that it allows Fox to perform what was formerly a TAS-only input sequence on a Gamecube controller.
    I’ve released a new version of 1.03 which contains this fix, as well as a controller fix rotator that lets you toggle the 13 fixes on gradually.
    Download: drive.google.c...
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 77

  • @swank8508
    @swank8508 10 місяців тому +278

    there will never be a 14th faulty mechanic in ssbm

  • @SpectreXS
    @SpectreXS 10 місяців тому +58

    I want this game to be riddled with hundreds of faulty mechanics just so I can watch more Hax videos.

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic8070 10 місяців тому +54

    I suspect that this is not the last mechanic

  • @lakessbm
    @lakessbm 10 місяців тому +16

    Hax for president of melee

  • @EA_SP0RTCENTER
    @EA_SP0RTCENTER 10 місяців тому +22

    Hax$ is a scientist

    • @ayrtonpavot3096
      @ayrtonpavot3096 10 місяців тому +2

      he's also an arist, what man

    • @marcus6918
      @marcus6918 10 місяців тому +1

      he has a Ph.D. for a reason

  • @guywhoplaysbass
    @guywhoplaysbass 10 місяців тому +9

    I can finally blame my crappy fountain recoveries with samus on a polling issue

    • @jakezepeda1267
      @jakezepeda1267 10 місяців тому +2

      My thoughts exactly 😅. I thought I was just crazy.

  • @yungbisher
    @yungbisher 10 місяців тому +12

    Hax should be a writer for the kingdom hearts series with this fixation on 13

    • @redpenguin111
      @redpenguin111 8 місяців тому

      dark triad saga is gonna be lit

    • @leodexe
      @leodexe 5 місяців тому

      the more you suck the more it grows

  • @raven-a
    @raven-a 10 місяців тому +11

    Imagine losing a match for doing a down B with this exact stick position and a neutral B coming out instead, and none believe you (maybe not even yourself 😂)

  • @gravityhorse4781
    @gravityhorse4781 10 місяців тому +10

    Thanks, Aziz. I always click these videos when I see them, and the Controller Fix is so sick.

  • @dLzzzgaming
    @dLzzzgaming 10 місяців тому +8

    Hax is the goat

  • @night8002
    @night8002 10 місяців тому +2

    hax can fix anything except thinking it’s the last faulty mechanic

  • @Auddy07
    @Auddy07 10 місяців тому +3

    Hax is da man

  • @LANBobYonson
    @LANBobYonson 10 місяців тому

    This is the best of the Faulty Mechanic Series

  • @calebrobinson6406
    @calebrobinson6406 10 місяців тому +5

    I really wish there was a Melee HD were they simply polished the controller inputs and maybe a few light udpates like Mewtwo being able to actually reflect stuff

    • @jeffpalaganas7404
      @jeffpalaganas7404 10 місяців тому +3

      We know they would update the game then we would possibly have 2 standardized rulesets

    • @jakezepeda1267
      @jakezepeda1267 10 місяців тому

      And fix poor GnW lol

  • @milk4you1200
    @milk4you1200 10 місяців тому +1

    Great video

  • @Popmycherryyo
    @Popmycherryyo 10 місяців тому +2

    I didn't understand much of this video, but I'm glad you're doing gods work for the melee community! And same goes for your buddy who helped as well, well done! :D

  • @MarlonLeeTV
    @MarlonLeeTV 10 місяців тому

    Awesome job!

  • @feelsokayman5656
    @feelsokayman5656 10 місяців тому

    The GOAT

  • @ChugginEstus
    @ChugginEstus 10 місяців тому +6

    can we ust implement this sh already

    • @marcus6918
      @marcus6918 10 місяців тому

      😂😂😂😂 im so done i swear

  • @Rael0505
    @Rael0505 10 місяців тому +1

    Hax is the goat of melee tech

  • @calebrobinson6406
    @calebrobinson6406 10 місяців тому +4

    waveshine really doesnt need a buff

  • @unoyoyofoo
    @unoyoyofoo 10 місяців тому

    based

  • @Xxerick930xX
    @Xxerick930xX 10 місяців тому

    the 13th ghost

  • @justusheekin2925
    @justusheekin2925 10 місяців тому +4

    I'm generally fine with the Hax controller fix but this is too far. Surgically buffing one of fox's strong options to be 2 frames faster is simply a no. This will sway me away from supporting 1.03.

    • @nontoxic9960
      @nontoxic9960 10 місяців тому +4

      That never happened.

    • @kkmac7247
      @kkmac7247 10 місяців тому +1

      Doesn’t this affect dash out of run in general?

  • @mymyscellany
    @mymyscellany 10 місяців тому +5

    What's "unfair" about this mechanic inherently being inconsistent? This is literally just a fox buff

    • @thomashanson3476
      @thomashanson3476 10 місяців тому +6

      buff of any character that relies on their down b... Falco, puff, luigi, doc, Samus for example

    • @mymyscellany
      @mymyscellany 10 місяців тому +3

      @@thomashanson3476 you realize none of those characters even vaguely benefit from this as much as fox?

    • @thomashanson3476
      @thomashanson3476 10 місяців тому +2

      @@mymyscellany falco?

  • @shinryoga
    @shinryoga 10 місяців тому +1

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Aziz Al Yami

  • @TylerClibbon
    @TylerClibbon 10 місяців тому +5

    again, obviously we should fix polling instead of removing all the one frame windows, since those are the hypest techniques because of their precision

    • @diodora2381
      @diodora2381 10 місяців тому +1

      Saying "we should just fix polling" might be easier than it seems. It might be easier to change the polling tolerance which might just involve changing a couple values vs reworking a core system of the game itself. To fix the polling itself could cause more unforeseen issues and means you're messing with a core system of how the game functions. You really want to mess with that stuff as little as possible.

    • @TylerClibbon
      @TylerClibbon 10 місяців тому +1

      @@diodora2381 yeah it would require a lot of careful analysis, but way less than analysis than changing all the tiny little one frame things which we will keep discovering for years to come

    • @diodora2381
      @diodora2381 10 місяців тому

      @@TylerClibbon We've covered most of the major ones already. The ones that Hax$ are covering now are pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.

    • @TylerClibbon
      @TylerClibbon 10 місяців тому +3

      @@diodora2381 even if there are no more, its clearly lame to remove one frane timings and the rng of polling will always be in the back of our minds unless we fix it

    • @diodora2381
      @diodora2381 10 місяців тому

      @@TylerClibbon If you want to try to reverse engineer the binary to the point where you can rework and fix the polling system, have at it. It's not an easy job most likely from what I can tell, so this will always be easier. It might be "lamer", but it makes the game more consistent and in my opinion makes the game more enjoyable to play.

  • @crumbskull
    @crumbskull 10 місяців тому +1

    first

  • @kevinpeixes3735
    @kevinpeixes3735 10 місяців тому

    Wait... PEOPLE DONT SHINE OUT OF RUN?? Ive been doing that ever since a decade ago 😭 Are you telling me there was an easier way?? Damn.

  • @LumiRev
    @LumiRev 10 місяців тому +1

    As much as I love 1.03, I don't really think buffing fox is healthy for the community lol

  • @andrewwebb624
    @andrewwebb624 10 місяців тому +3

    Hax, imma be honest, you're very good but you are kinda over analytical, you know all this frame data, yet you didn't even know that wavedashing around frame perfect with falcon is still slower than running. Here you claim that fox needs to be buffed essentially to make something easier to do when fox is already the best character in the entire game I've heard you say this like so much, if all the changes you wanted implemented were implemented it would ruin the game, fox would be too good and I would honestly quit this game lmao. I think you are capped on skill not due to fox not being fast enough but because you need to pick better options, and a lot of times the better options aren't actually super technical hard frame perfect inputs, it's recognition, every time i watch your play I get the same idea, this guy will pick the same, perfectly executed option, and he will pick it every single time, it's like you're not playing the game vs your opponent your just essentially the best execution tester

    • @leaffinite2001
      @leaffinite2001 10 місяців тому +6

      what on earth are you wafflin about

    • @NaJk93
      @NaJk93 10 місяців тому +1

      wtf you on about lol

    • @EA_SP0RTCENTER
      @EA_SP0RTCENTER 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@NaJk93 hax$ approach to the game is to play as little neutral as possible and use shine above all else to pressure shield. The only valid answer to that is to shine OoS, which is an execution test.

    • @NaJk93
      @NaJk93 7 місяців тому +1

      @@EA_SP0RTCENTER lol

  • @Trololo231
    @Trololo231 10 місяців тому +1

    Let's just go back to OEM controllers without UCF.

    • @FlamingZelda3
      @FlamingZelda3 10 місяців тому

      problem is the inconsistency between oem controllers, the price hikes that'll happen when they stop producing them, and basically the general controller issues which plagued melee for the first 15 years of its lifespan.
      For the sake of the longevity of the game I do believe finding a way to standardize gameplay across controllers is the right approach. As to whether hax's proposed fixes buff certain characters/techniques too much idk.
      I see it as an issue of: if you have an inconsistent mechanic, do you nerf it so no one can use it, or do you buff it so everyone can do it?
      It's like how in the early years of melee the ability to do things like shielddrops and pivots was very much dependent on the quality of the controller. Many controllers couldn't do those techniques. By implementing ucf we've created a version of melee which is not quite how the original game actually plays.
      This does mean that some of the meta which has been developed at the highest levels actually isn't even reasonable to apply to the base game, they're only reliable options because of ucf.
      It's weird.

  • @hhu_uhh
    @hhu_uhh 10 місяців тому

    blud thinks he's on the team 😂

  • @dragooon124
    @dragooon124 10 місяців тому

    Is switching from dash to run just when you dash past the point you can do a dash back?

  • @irongiant5951
    @irongiant5951 10 місяців тому +3

    There will never be a 14th faulty mechanic in ssbm