At the back of the Bestial Sanctum, you can fall down and get the Cinquadea dagger. Where that item lies directly lines up with angle of the bridge in Farum Azula, so I beleive Faram Azula once was slighty Northwest if the bestial sanctum, and lower down in a valley. Also, now that the DLC is coming out, I think Faram Azula was intentionally moved far to the east, so that the other areas of Shadow of the Erdtree could be concealed by a veil that drapes from the six divine towers. I also think wormfaces, the Gloameyed queen, and godskins originally come from this veiled land.
ye farum was 100% somewhere around caelid, im half convinced it has something to do with the dlc, as appearantly, the dlc map, the "land of shadow" was "disconnected" from the lands between.
@@sandalman2591 Yup. Im 100% convinced the Divine towers were used for "disconnecting" the Land of Shadow from the Lands between. Im half convinced Messmer was a threat to the Erdtree and thinking about if Messmers Flame is the Flame of Ruin.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Even though there are no huge ruin rubbles in Caelid, you can still find ruin stones behind the beast sanctum on the edge of the cliff where you find the Dragoncrest Shield Talisman and the Cinquedea dagger. The dagger is connected to the high ranking clergymen of Farum Azula while the talisman is connected to the ancient dragons. These three clues (ruin stones, dagger, qnd talisman) lend a strong connection to Farum Azula itself. Maybe even it's original location in the Lands Between.
Kudos for mapping where those fragments fell. I tried it once, ran into the five marker limit and abandoned the plan. I think Stormveil in particular has a connection to farum azula. The banners hanging in the war-hero catacomb are the dragonlord's, the dragon communion seal is also there and of all the divine towers, storm hawks are only found on the parapet of Limgrave's. I would argue that the statue of a young woman holding an urn around the chapel of anticipation depicts the same person as the kneeling statue in the coliseum of farum azula. It's beneath her statue we find the seal, I think. The same statue is in all the war-hero catacombs but her hands, and the urn in them, have been deliberately broken off, suggesting some kind of iconographic displacement.
I bs'd some of the markers lol. I keep going back and forth about Stormveil's relationship with Farum Azula. It's true the banished knights with the Stormveil flag wrapped around their helmets are in FA. But the ones in Stormveil have the dragonhelms. My video about the banished knights might give more insight into this.
A lot of the iconography shown is different, but it's definitely linked. There's a giant lion crest on the ground hidden under the throne in Stormveil Castle. While the architecture of the castle is very different from Farum Azula, they both feature storms, banished knights and warhawks. There's this video by Tarnished Archaeologist showing evidence that Serosh might have been the lord of this castle before Godfrey took over, and that his axe and alliance with Serosh were a claim of legitimacy after he invaded and dominated them. I think all things considered, maybe they weren't part of Farum Azula but were contemporary to it. Might have been two different places built and inhabitated by two different people that ultimately had an alliance.
What you’re saying is kinda huge since it’s possible inspiration to how Germany de-nazified itself by blowing up or removing all its swastikas just leaving empty squares and circles on certain structures maybe some occupation happened to farum azula that made this happen and my only evidence for that would be Godfrey since we know to become first elden lord he had to fight placidusax but placidusax survived so either it was a time warp or they simply fled the battle giving Godfrey the victory all this happening btw after farum azula starts to crumble since Godfrey was only alive during the crucible era and early erdtree so I’m sort of stumped here but I think the age of the crucible was the same time as the age of farum azula and when the elden beast which I believe was the meteor that hit farum azula hit it the whole dragon war happened but that’s just my speculation
Your videos on farum azula have been some of my favorites, as they leave so much to be determined and rely on studying the architecture of the environments! Love to see the intro back as well! Great video as always
Thank you for the thought provoking content dude. I want to bring up some interesting things iv'e found while researching descriptions of the lily looking flowers and other flower iconography around and under the lands, and bring up my personal hypothesis, but its open to interpretation, so I'd love others perspectives. There is a small church in lower Lyndell, with the surrounding area with sealed small houses and ash covering the streets. Walking these streets are burned undead that look similar to the bodies that also litter the street. The church here has a carpet moved to the side, so that a site of grace can be seen. This are covered by the shadow of Gransaax wing have some of the only red topped roofs in the game. The iconography in this lower area that seems to be treated quite bad compared to the rest of Lyndell, is similar to the eternal cities icons of masses of flowers growing in a chaotic way, constantly stemming from a central flower. But back in that church, you'll see that a statue has been placed in front of some windows too. This statue is holding the middle flower of the same flowers in these icons in the windows, holding it upright, but now standing on a stone platform that seems to be on top of the other sprouts. This statue has a bit of a timeline when compared to two other statues and somehow even Radagons statue, but I'm leaving the latter up to interpretation. The statue of an older looking being on the smallest held flower and standing directly on the stump of something growing lots of other sprouts. A younger man looking statue(same in the lower church) now holding the the lily looking flower in more of a sunflower position, with a stone foothold on top of the other sprouts, however the other sprouts have found a way around and are climbing up his body to find a way up? And lastly the statue of a woman, holding the fully golden flower now detached from its roots and completely different then what it one was. I see this as Marika grew her Erdtree and now completely wields its power, regardless of its origins. This might not seem related to the dragons, untill you look at Gransaax spear design and placement. It's spear is different but the same as Marikas. Marikas spear symbolizes a golden tree grown from a mass of flowers, but Gransaax spear looks like the same mass off vines with no flowers, instead all twisting upwards around the central figure, and even a giant tornado surrounding that. I theorize the dragons had their own crucible tree, that because of some catastrophic event, unfolded into the crucible of life, a stump of growing flowers unbound by the storm of time that some beings worshipped for a time for its many different flavour flowers(life) but the jealousy of a previous immortal age of dragons and the concept of being a god drove Marika to create her own immortal age, that has also failed and soon the crucible will take back all of its life for new flowers and a new world to make it's own choices. However Marika seems to be a cursemonger and radagon is obsessed with her age and wants to keep it going even though I believe he more symbolizes the crucible and its roots, I think he got used for the Erdtree's creation and became envious. So she may have some how cursed the world to forever replay or something since she did not get what she wanted? I think "someone" had the dragon kingdom nuked by meteor off the placement of power(top center of the god tree) so that a new order could rise. its hard to say if the dragons tree was where the Erdtree is, but perhaps it was much bigger and took up the whole middle of the lands. There's a spot in Caelid below the beast sanctum near that five finger dagger, that looks like you could use a "meditation" emote and it faces rite at that big middle cloud. But i'm almost positive you'll get the emote in shadow of the Erdtree and travel there for a hidden boss fight. I like to think your going to fight Gransaax and defeat the god of the great tree in the past similar to how it's actually us who fights Artorias in the past.
The description of the Ancient Dragon Prayerbook implies Farum as a whole is “outside” the LB. I wonder if that’s meant to bridge with other item descriptions like the one in Marika’s Hammer: “Stone hammer made in the lands of the Numen, outside the Lands Between. The tool with which Queen Marika shattered the Elden Ring and Radagon attempted to repair it. The hammer partially broke upon shattering the Ring, becoming splintered with rune fragments.” The hammer, as well as the sky ruins all over the LB contain rune fragments similarly. Farum Azula seems to be in its own hemisphere since the Sun seems to be stuck in a statis and some of the skeletal beastman carrying the Sun Realm Shield. Do you think it could’ve been the so called “Seat of the Sun”?
I have a video in which I speculate that Castel Sol was the "Seat of the Sun", but it could really be anywhere, since the sunrealm skeletons are everywhere. The beast skeletons carrying the shield has always mystified me, and I always took it as a sign that FA and the Sunrealm were once allies. But the fact that the beast skeletons and the human skeletons use the exact same gear, is still incredibly strange.
This was an interesting watch. I do want to present a bit of a counter argument that is more "pro-east coast alignment." Let's start with Divine Towers, the Forbidden Lands, and the Erdtree. The Divine Towers are clearly arranged to surround the inland sea (why I don't know) but for the eastern most tower to be built means that their had to be land around it. For it to still be on the inland coast means that most of that land would have to be to the east of it. If we go to the tower just northwest of that one, it is sitting on a single column of earth, connected only by a bridge, again for proper construction it would have needed more land around it and to maintain a coastal status that land would have been to the north and east of it. Sticking with the region around that north east tower lets look at the Erdtree. We know the Erdtree had to be tended and cultivated. They have the statues about it dotted around the land. But the base of the Erdtree is down at inland sea level. This would make the tree, at the time the Crucible, inaccessible. Based on how the Crucible is described by items we can actually see some trees that tend to mimic its appearance in the Forbidden Lands. The shape of the Forbidden Lands also defy geological sense and appear to be the remains of the land. All that to say that around the base of the Erdtree and running up to the base of the mountain of the giants appears to have land that has crumbled away, this land would have also made up the now vanished East Coasts where I offer Farum once sat. Something most folks also don't realize is that Farum was higher in the air at one point than it is when we arrive. This is based on the view from Farum Azula. From Farum you can still see the Giants Forge as well as the top of the Erdtree. But when we go back in time to fight Placidusax neither can be seen. We can easily handwave away that the Erdtree isn't around but the mountain top should be visible to us unless we are too high up. Given the state of the arena Farum Azula isn't yet crumbling at this point. (I know this seems random but bare with me a bit longer) Meteors also don't typically fall straight down. They fall at an angle. So if we had a temple city flying high above the mountains in the far east and it suddenly gets hit by a westward meteor most of the debris would be blasted west. This means a lot would fall in the in land sea, very little would land in the east and anything that drops down in the east would likely land in the Eastern Sea. But the west coast would also get the weirdest and largest "hail" anyone has ever seen. With regards to your mention of the True Storm. The True Storm in the time of Placidusax encompassed the whole of the Lands Between. When you fight the Elden Lord, the storm rages in the sky in the distance and in all directions and only abates with his death (A real Artorias moment wouldn't you say). Everywhere south of Altus is still a rainy gloomy wet place, sadly we don't properly know what Caelid use to look like but I doubt it was too far off from Limgrave.
The forbidden lands is an area I haven't looked into. I'll take a look. As far as the location of Farum Azula, we would have to get some idea of how the land has changed throughout the ages to make sense of this. The Lands Between's sea does appear to be higher than the outer ocean, so you might be onto something. It's interesting to wonder where all the water comes from if it's all going in the same direction. Maybe it's just Fromsoft wonkiness.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 The presence of the eastern waterfall honestly lead me to believe before Farum embarked to the sky the inland sea was higher. Locations like the Caelid Colosseum would have been an island. That crevice south of it would have been a river valley. The water of that river dumps into Aeonia. Selia clearly has a dock on its western side. We see a similar, though still with some water, river valley in Limgrave. I just call it the Murkwater river channel sense the dungeon there are all called Murkwater something or other. Murkwater of course dumps into the, now called, Agheel Lake. At the southern end of that lake on the maps there is are dotted lines indicating elevation but they also seem to indicate the old southern edge of the lake. Another indicator of shifting and lost lands would be the Divine Tower of West Altus. The tower itself is still intact but the land it sits on has clearly shifted. The first thing that put me on to this was the Divine Bridge next to the Fortified Manor. It goes no where and typically these bridges lead to divine towers. The tower would have originally sat just southwest of the Minor Erdtree Church the huge dent in the map west of the church likely made up the land that one would walk up to get to the tower. And let's not forget the chains attached to the giants forge on 3 other sides that just hang down. Heck no one really thinks about the fact that the giants were chaining the peaks to keep them from falling apart. We just cross the "chain bridges" and go one our way. (Sorry 4 months ago I got really interested in the geography of the Lands Between found this weird stuff but had no one to tell lol) Thank you for the comment!
we also can't be sure that Farum Azula was on the ground before being moved to the sky. The trees can simply mean there were more soil under FA. If the current tornado is the thing that keeps FA floating in the air, and if the true storm encompassed the whole of the Lands Between before, could the true storm be also holding FA up back then, and FA was also much larger? And the lost of the true storm made parts of FA fell to the ground? If that's true then FA could be on the west coast before, got hit, dropped parts of it to the ground, then was moved to the east. That would explain the connection between the storm hawk clan and the dragons.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 I knew in my last post I forgot something bigger with the changed geography. Prior to whatever event destroyed them and got them deemed forbidden, I believe the Forbidden Lands use to be considered part of Altus. The two northern divine towers sit on either side of Leyndell with the name "Divine Tower of West Altus" and "Divine Tower of East Altus" considering where that east tower is, in the present day there is no East Altus. This combined with the unnatural, crumbled nature of the Forbidden Lands leads me to believe a good deal of land fell away and was once considered the Eastern portion of the Altus. Given the wind mills and such in northern Altus this suggests that part of the chasm may have once hosted grain fields north of the now Forbidden Lands that transitioned into a forest at and south of the Forbidden lands. Which if we accept that means the Erdtree/Crucible was actually in forest next to Leyndell before it took up all that space.
@@nguyenvietanh2152 There is a bridge south of the Beast Sanctum called the Farum Great Bridge. The architecture of the bridge matches Farum Azula. Crossing this bridge from Caelid is the moment we start to see Farum architecture (beastman skeletons in stone). One way to take all this information is that the piece of land on the north side of that bridge is all that is left of Old Farum before it took to the sky. Some other suggestive evidence is that south of this bridge is the part of Caelid called the Dragons Barrow. It would make sense for those that were left behind to setup shop close to where home was. Then there is Gurranq who is in a self imposed exile. If we ask ourselves where did he exile himself to and answered Farum Azula, then he isn't technically breaking exile by showing up in the Beast Sanctum because it is still Farum Azula. Those last two points are more so speculation based on reason than evidence.
@theeldenconspiracy9451 Even though there are no huge ruin rubbles in Caelid, you can still find ruin stones behind the beast sanctum on the edge of the cliff where you find the Dragoncrest Shield Talisman and the Cinquedea dagger. The dagger is connected to the high ranking clergymen of Farum Azula while the talisman is connected to the ancient dragons. These three clues (ruin stones, dagger, qnd talisman) lend a strong connection to Farum Azula itself. Maybe even it's original location in the Lands Between.
The ancient dragon tome find around 11:17 is a key find that many channels gloss over. 👍🏽 Adjacently, go for some DLC videos too! Your takes would be great within the overcluttered market of the biggest channels saying the exact same things
There is actually one ancient bridge to nowhere, at the place the tower of return sends you to, behind the real round table hold which dates back as far as the eternal cities at least
The style of burial for the dragon kin humans was cremation. It's the ghost flame death rite. The sarcophagi are for the bones. The beast men had their own way of death rite
I believe Farum Azula is a moving place. It may've once been located above Liurnia, from where it might've moved Southeast to Limgrave. The destruction of FA may've increased over time, and the trail of pieces indicates this direction. Right above Limgrave a lot of pieces fell down. The East of Weeping Peninsula was struck several times, and Caelid was struck once. This would imply that FA moved to the ocean east of the WP and around Caelid until it arrived in the far East of the map. This is one of several possibilities if the moving place hypothesis is true. The direction may be reversed instead. Either way we can't tell where FA was initially located.
we know that dragons and giants had conflicts before: "The ice dragons were once lords of the mountaintops long ago, until they were defeated by the Fire Giants and chased from the peak." So can it be possible that the giants built the divine towers after farum azula was destroyed, or FA was built after the dragons melt down the DTs?
You mentioned the “giant ruins” uhh… what does that mean i feel like I just got a bomb dropped on me. There was some kind of previous giant civilization?
The gigantic columns and bridges we see all over the Lands Between, (West coast of Limgrave and Weeping Peninsula, Ruin Strewn Precipice, the Divine Towers, all over the Mountaintops), they all have the same markings as the Giants' Forge where you find the flame of ruin. So these were all built by the same civilization. Whether it was actual Fire Giants who built them (which is arguable since most of these structures seem too small to support their massive size) or some other civilization allied to them is a major question I'm pondering currently. But in either case, we can say this culture is most likely native to the Lands Between.
Im 100% convinced the Divine Towers were used to "disconnect" the Land of Shadow from the Lands Between, so the DLC map basically. The info we have on the DLC says that the Land of Shadow used to be a part of the Lands between, but was "physically disconnected" from the lands between. It also says the Land of Shadow is "veiled" or "cloaked" in a way, so hidden basically, which would explain the cloud in the middle of that big empty space. Which would again suggest the Divine towers, which just so happen to perfectly circle around that empty space, were used to "disconnect" the land of shadow by marika. And as a little bonus, when the game was about to release, Miyazaki said the game would take roughly 30 hours to complete. A clear understatement. This time he said the Map size would be roughly the size of Limgrave. If you look at the big empty space in the middle of the map, its just a bit bigger than Limgrave, it would perfectly fit as the size of the DLC area, if we account for another understatement regarding "roughly the same size as Limgrave"
Best intro in the scene!
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At the back of the Bestial Sanctum, you can fall down and get the Cinquadea dagger. Where that item lies directly lines up with angle of the bridge in Farum Azula, so I beleive Faram Azula once was slighty Northwest if the bestial sanctum, and lower down in a valley.
Also, now that the DLC is coming out, I think Faram Azula was intentionally moved far to the east, so that the other areas of Shadow of the Erdtree could be concealed by a veil that drapes from the six divine towers.
I also think wormfaces, the Gloameyed queen, and godskins originally come from this veiled land.
The bridge in Caelid called "Farum Greatbridge" kind of seals the deal imo
ye farum was 100% somewhere around caelid, im half convinced it has something to do with the dlc, as appearantly, the dlc map, the "land of shadow" was "disconnected" from the lands between.
@@acay5722 the dlc map was disconnected in order to not allow messmer to the lands between, not at all the same way farum azula was
@@sandalman2591 Yup. Im 100% convinced the Divine towers were used for "disconnecting" the Land of Shadow from the Lands between. Im half convinced Messmer was a threat to the Erdtree and thinking about if Messmers Flame is the Flame of Ruin.
This game makes me feel like im Indiana Jones trying to put all these lore puzzle pieces together.
Love your elden conspiracies man. They always leave my mind wondering about this beautiful game. Great job as always my friend!!
Thank you. It's appreciated!
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 Even though there are no huge ruin rubbles in Caelid, you can still find ruin stones behind the beast sanctum on the edge of the cliff where you find the Dragoncrest Shield Talisman and the Cinquedea dagger. The dagger is connected to the high ranking clergymen of Farum Azula while the talisman is connected to the ancient dragons. These three clues (ruin stones, dagger, qnd talisman) lend a strong connection to Farum Azula itself. Maybe even it's original location in the Lands Between.
Kudos for mapping where those fragments fell. I tried it once, ran into the five marker limit and abandoned the plan. I think Stormveil in particular has a connection to farum azula. The banners hanging in the war-hero catacomb are the dragonlord's, the dragon communion seal is also there and of all the divine towers, storm hawks are only found on the parapet of Limgrave's. I would argue that the statue of a young woman holding an urn around the chapel of anticipation depicts the same person as the kneeling statue in the coliseum of farum azula. It's beneath her statue we find the seal, I think. The same statue is in all the war-hero catacombs but her hands, and the urn in them, have been deliberately broken off, suggesting some kind of iconographic displacement.
I bs'd some of the markers lol.
I keep going back and forth about Stormveil's relationship with Farum Azula. It's true the banished knights with the Stormveil flag wrapped around their helmets are in FA. But the ones in Stormveil have the dragonhelms.
My video about the banished knights might give more insight into this.
A lot of the iconography shown is different, but it's definitely linked. There's a giant lion crest on the ground hidden under the throne in Stormveil Castle. While the architecture of the castle is very different from Farum Azula, they both feature storms, banished knights and warhawks. There's this video by Tarnished Archaeologist showing evidence that Serosh might have been the lord of this castle before Godfrey took over, and that his axe and alliance with Serosh were a claim of legitimacy after he invaded and dominated them. I think all things considered, maybe they weren't part of Farum Azula but were contemporary to it. Might have been two different places built and inhabitated by two different people that ultimately had an alliance.
What you’re saying is kinda huge since it’s possible inspiration to how Germany de-nazified itself by blowing up or removing all its swastikas just leaving empty squares and circles on certain structures maybe some occupation happened to farum azula that made this happen and my only evidence for that would be Godfrey since we know to become first elden lord he had to fight placidusax but placidusax survived so either it was a time warp or they simply fled the battle giving Godfrey the victory all this happening btw after farum azula starts to crumble since Godfrey was only alive during the crucible era and early erdtree so I’m sort of stumped here but I think the age of the crucible was the same time as the age of farum azula and when the elden beast which I believe was the meteor that hit farum azula hit it the whole dragon war happened but that’s just my speculation
I love your homage to xenosaga. Just had to say thank you.
Your videos on farum azula have been some of my favorites, as they leave so much to be determined and rely on studying the architecture of the environments! Love to see the intro back as well! Great video as always
At least now we know the shadow realm was the center of the lands between. Information gathered from the suppressing pillar.
Thank you for the thought provoking content dude. I want to bring up some interesting things iv'e found while researching descriptions of the lily looking flowers and other flower iconography around and under the lands, and bring up my personal hypothesis, but its open to interpretation, so I'd love others perspectives.
There is a small church in lower Lyndell, with the surrounding area with sealed small houses and ash covering the streets. Walking these streets are burned undead that look similar to the bodies that also litter the street. The church here has a carpet moved to the side, so that a site of grace can be seen. This are covered by the shadow of Gransaax wing have some of the only red topped roofs in the game. The iconography in this lower area that seems to be treated quite bad compared to the rest of Lyndell, is similar to the eternal cities icons of masses of flowers growing in a chaotic way, constantly stemming from a central flower. But back in that church, you'll see that a statue has been placed in front of some windows too. This statue is holding the middle flower of the same flowers in these icons in the windows, holding it upright, but now standing on a stone platform that seems to be on top of the other sprouts. This statue has a bit of a timeline when compared to two other statues and somehow even Radagons statue, but I'm leaving the latter up to interpretation. The statue of an older looking being on the smallest held flower and standing directly on the stump of something growing lots of other sprouts. A younger man looking statue(same in the lower church) now holding the the lily looking flower in more of a sunflower position, with a stone foothold on top of the other sprouts, however the other sprouts have found a way around and are climbing up his body to find a way up? And lastly the statue of a woman, holding the fully golden flower now detached from its roots and completely different then what it one was. I see this as Marika grew her Erdtree and now completely wields its power, regardless of its origins.
This might not seem related to the dragons, untill you look at Gransaax spear design and placement. It's spear is different but the same as Marikas. Marikas spear symbolizes a golden tree grown from a mass of flowers, but Gransaax spear looks like the same mass off vines with no flowers, instead all twisting upwards around the central figure, and even a giant tornado surrounding that. I theorize the dragons had their own crucible tree, that because of some catastrophic event, unfolded into the crucible of life, a stump of growing flowers unbound by the storm of time that some beings worshipped for a time for its many different flavour flowers(life) but the jealousy of a previous immortal age of dragons and the concept of being a god drove Marika to create her own immortal age, that has also failed and soon the crucible will take back all of its life for new flowers and a new world to make it's own choices. However Marika seems to be a cursemonger and radagon is obsessed with her age and wants to keep it going even though I believe he more symbolizes the crucible and its roots, I think he got used for the Erdtree's creation and became envious.
So she may have some how cursed the world to forever replay or something since she did not get what she wanted? I think "someone" had the dragon kingdom nuked by meteor off the placement of power(top center of the god tree) so that a new order could rise. its hard to say if the dragons tree was where the Erdtree is, but perhaps it was much bigger and took up the whole middle of the lands. There's a spot in Caelid below the beast sanctum near that five finger dagger, that looks like you could use a "meditation" emote and it faces rite at that big middle cloud. But i'm almost positive you'll get the emote in shadow of the Erdtree and travel there for a hidden boss fight. I like to think your going to fight Gransaax and defeat the god of the great tree in the past similar to how it's actually us who fights Artorias in the past.
The description of the Ancient Dragon Prayerbook implies Farum as a whole is “outside” the LB. I wonder if that’s meant to bridge with other item descriptions like the one in Marika’s Hammer:
“Stone hammer made in the lands of the Numen, outside the Lands Between. The tool with which Queen Marika shattered the Elden Ring and Radagon attempted to repair it.
The hammer partially broke upon shattering the Ring, becoming splintered with rune fragments.”
The hammer, as well as the sky ruins all over the LB contain rune fragments similarly. Farum Azula seems to be in its own hemisphere since the Sun seems to be stuck in a statis and some of the skeletal beastman carrying the Sun Realm Shield. Do you think it could’ve been the so called “Seat of the Sun”?
I have a video in which I speculate that Castel Sol was the "Seat of the Sun", but it could really be anywhere, since the sunrealm skeletons are everywhere.
The beast skeletons carrying the shield has always mystified me, and I always took it as a sign that FA and the Sunrealm were once allies. But the fact that the beast skeletons and the human skeletons use the exact same gear, is still incredibly strange.
This was an interesting watch. I do want to present a bit of a counter argument that is more "pro-east coast alignment." Let's start with Divine Towers, the Forbidden Lands, and the Erdtree. The Divine Towers are clearly arranged to surround the inland sea (why I don't know) but for the eastern most tower to be built means that their had to be land around it. For it to still be on the inland coast means that most of that land would have to be to the east of it. If we go to the tower just northwest of that one, it is sitting on a single column of earth, connected only by a bridge, again for proper construction it would have needed more land around it and to maintain a coastal status that land would have been to the north and east of it.
Sticking with the region around that north east tower lets look at the Erdtree. We know the Erdtree had to be tended and cultivated. They have the statues about it dotted around the land. But the base of the Erdtree is down at inland sea level. This would make the tree, at the time the Crucible, inaccessible. Based on how the Crucible is described by items we can actually see some trees that tend to mimic its appearance in the Forbidden Lands. The shape of the Forbidden Lands also defy geological sense and appear to be the remains of the land. All that to say that around the base of the Erdtree and running up to the base of the mountain of the giants appears to have land that has crumbled away, this land would have also made up the now vanished East Coasts where I offer Farum once sat.
Something most folks also don't realize is that Farum was higher in the air at one point than it is when we arrive. This is based on the view from Farum Azula. From Farum you can still see the Giants Forge as well as the top of the Erdtree. But when we go back in time to fight Placidusax neither can be seen. We can easily handwave away that the Erdtree isn't around but the mountain top should be visible to us unless we are too high up. Given the state of the arena Farum Azula isn't yet crumbling at this point. (I know this seems random but bare with me a bit longer)
Meteors also don't typically fall straight down. They fall at an angle. So if we had a temple city flying high above the mountains in the far east and it suddenly gets hit by a westward meteor most of the debris would be blasted west. This means a lot would fall in the in land sea, very little would land in the east and anything that drops down in the east would likely land in the Eastern Sea. But the west coast would also get the weirdest and largest "hail" anyone has ever seen.
With regards to your mention of the True Storm. The True Storm in the time of Placidusax encompassed the whole of the Lands Between. When you fight the Elden Lord, the storm rages in the sky in the distance and in all directions and only abates with his death (A real Artorias moment wouldn't you say). Everywhere south of Altus is still a rainy gloomy wet place, sadly we don't properly know what Caelid use to look like but I doubt it was too far off from Limgrave.
The forbidden lands is an area I haven't looked into. I'll take a look.
As far as the location of Farum Azula, we would have to get some idea of how the land has changed throughout the ages to make sense of this. The Lands Between's sea does appear to be higher than the outer ocean, so you might be onto something.
It's interesting to wonder where all the water comes from if it's all going in the same direction. Maybe it's just Fromsoft wonkiness.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 The presence of the eastern waterfall honestly lead me to believe before Farum embarked to the sky the inland sea was higher. Locations like the Caelid Colosseum would have been an island. That crevice south of it would have been a river valley. The water of that river dumps into Aeonia. Selia clearly has a dock on its western side. We see a similar, though still with some water, river valley in Limgrave. I just call it the Murkwater river channel sense the dungeon there are all called Murkwater something or other. Murkwater of course dumps into the, now called, Agheel Lake. At the southern end of that lake on the maps there is are dotted lines indicating elevation but they also seem to indicate the old southern edge of the lake.
Another indicator of shifting and lost lands would be the Divine Tower of West Altus. The tower itself is still intact but the land it sits on has clearly shifted. The first thing that put me on to this was the Divine Bridge next to the Fortified Manor. It goes no where and typically these bridges lead to divine towers. The tower would have originally sat just southwest of the Minor Erdtree Church the huge dent in the map west of the church likely made up the land that one would walk up to get to the tower. And let's not forget the chains attached to the giants forge on 3 other sides that just hang down. Heck no one really thinks about the fact that the giants were chaining the peaks to keep them from falling apart. We just cross the "chain bridges" and go one our way.
(Sorry 4 months ago I got really interested in the geography of the Lands Between found this weird stuff but had no one to tell lol) Thank you for the comment!
we also can't be sure that Farum Azula was on the ground before being moved to the sky. The trees can simply mean there were more soil under FA. If the current tornado is the thing that keeps FA floating in the air, and if the true storm encompassed the whole of the Lands Between before, could the true storm be also holding FA up back then, and FA was also much larger? And the lost of the true storm made parts of FA fell to the ground? If that's true then FA could be on the west coast before, got hit, dropped parts of it to the ground, then was moved to the east. That would explain the connection between the storm hawk clan and the dragons.
@@theeldenconspiracy9451 I knew in my last post I forgot something bigger with the changed geography. Prior to whatever event destroyed them and got them deemed forbidden, I believe the Forbidden Lands use to be considered part of Altus. The two northern divine towers sit on either side of Leyndell with the name "Divine Tower of West Altus" and "Divine Tower of East Altus" considering where that east tower is, in the present day there is no East Altus. This combined with the unnatural, crumbled nature of the Forbidden Lands leads me to believe a good deal of land fell away and was once considered the Eastern portion of the Altus. Given the wind mills and such in northern Altus this suggests that part of the chasm may have once hosted grain fields north of the now Forbidden Lands that transitioned into a forest at and south of the Forbidden lands. Which if we accept that means the Erdtree/Crucible was actually in forest next to Leyndell before it took up all that space.
@@nguyenvietanh2152 There is a bridge south of the Beast Sanctum called the Farum Great Bridge. The architecture of the bridge matches Farum Azula. Crossing this bridge from Caelid is the moment we start to see Farum architecture (beastman skeletons in stone). One way to take all this information is that the piece of land on the north side of that bridge is all that is left of Old Farum before it took to the sky. Some other suggestive evidence is that south of this bridge is the part of Caelid called the Dragons Barrow. It would make sense for those that were left behind to setup shop close to where home was. Then there is Gurranq who is in a self imposed exile. If we ask ourselves where did he exile himself to and answered Farum Azula, then he isn't technically breaking exile by showing up in the Beast Sanctum because it is still Farum Azula. Those last two points are more so speculation based on reason than evidence.
@theeldenconspiracy9451 Even though there are no huge ruin rubbles in Caelid, you can still find ruin stones behind the beast sanctum on the edge of the cliff where you find the Dragoncrest Shield Talisman and the Cinquedea dagger. The dagger is connected to the high ranking clergymen of Farum Azula while the talisman is connected to the ancient dragons. These three clues (ruin stones, dagger, qnd talisman) lend a strong connection to Farum Azula itself. Maybe even it's original location in the Lands Between.
The ancient dragon tome find around 11:17 is a key find that many channels gloss over. 👍🏽
Adjacently, go for some DLC videos too! Your takes would be great within the overcluttered market of the biggest channels saying the exact same things
Thanks for the encouragement! I'm still trying to wrap my head around the lore in the DLC. I'll make another video if I come up with anything.
There is actually one ancient bridge to nowhere, at the place the tower of return sends you to, behind the real round table hold which dates back as far as the eternal cities at least
Transition at 11:07 goes hard
The style of burial for the dragon kin humans was cremation. It's the ghost flame death rite. The sarcophagi are for the bones. The beast men had their own way of death rite
I believe Farum Azula is a moving place. It may've once been located above Liurnia, from where it might've moved Southeast to Limgrave. The destruction of FA may've increased over time, and the trail of pieces indicates this direction. Right above Limgrave a lot of pieces fell down. The East of Weeping Peninsula was struck several times, and Caelid was struck once. This would imply that FA moved to the ocean east of the WP and around Caelid until it arrived in the far East of the map.
This is one of several possibilities if the moving place hypothesis is true. The direction may be reversed instead. Either way we can't tell where FA was initially located.
That's a cool theory! Nothing else really explains the distribution of rubble.
Why is the site of grace next to Greyll called "Bridge to Farum"?
What's the structure behind the Bestial Sanctum for?
But you didn’t mention the enormous… grafted trees of Farum Azula that bind gold and silver leaved plants….
we know that dragons and giants had conflicts before: "The ice dragons were once lords of the mountaintops long ago, until they were defeated by the Fire Giants and chased from the peak." So can it be possible that the giants built the divine towers after farum azula was destroyed, or FA was built after the dragons melt down the DTs?
You mentioned the “giant ruins” uhh… what does that mean i feel like I just got a bomb dropped on me. There was some kind of previous giant civilization?
The gigantic columns and bridges we see all over the Lands Between, (West coast of Limgrave and Weeping Peninsula, Ruin Strewn Precipice, the Divine Towers, all over the Mountaintops), they all have the same markings as the Giants' Forge where you find the flame of ruin.
So these were all built by the same civilization. Whether it was actual Fire Giants who built them (which is arguable since most of these structures seem too small to support their massive size) or some other civilization allied to them is a major question I'm pondering currently.
But in either case, we can say this culture is most likely native to the Lands Between.
Im 100% convinced the Divine Towers were used to "disconnect" the Land of Shadow from the Lands Between, so the DLC map basically. The info we have on the DLC says that the Land of Shadow used to be a part of the Lands between, but was "physically disconnected" from the lands between. It also says the Land of Shadow is "veiled" or "cloaked" in a way, so hidden basically, which would explain the cloud in the middle of that big empty space. Which would again suggest the Divine towers, which just so happen to perfectly circle around that empty space, were used to "disconnect" the land of shadow by marika.
And as a little bonus, when the game was about to release, Miyazaki said the game would take roughly 30 hours to complete. A clear understatement. This time he said the Map size would be roughly the size of Limgrave. If you look at the big empty space in the middle of the map, its just a bit bigger than Limgrave, it would perfectly fit as the size of the DLC area, if we account for another understatement regarding "roughly the same size as Limgrave"