I am a South African and I have a question for Heidi Baker - which tribe in northern Mozambique is covered with tattoos all over them and which one of the Mozambican languages was she interpreting? I have been working in Mozambique for decades and would very confidently say she is a liar!
I used to work at bethel. Anytime I ever questioned something a speaker said or did I was always told “just look at the fruit”. Makes me think of the time Jesus was hungry and walked up to a fig tree with no figs on it. I was always made to believe there was something wrong with me because I wasn’t enamored by all these false teachers. Thank you so much for all your videos Chris. You have truly helped me see the truth and the REAL Holy Spirit has been healing my heart and mind from all the damage done to me at my time at Bethel. Bless you brother.
@@hogomeikoYes whenever I question something that is what I was being told.The problem is the meat and the bones is being blended into a shake and was given to us with a cherry on top.Very sad!
Are they really comparing her to Jesus? Did they call Him a party animal? What kind of Jesus do they serve? Definitely not the Jesus I read about in the Bible!! They are so off on this topic!
I first came across the RR guys a few years ago, and hoped they would be okay. However, they go farther and farther, even now endorsing people like Heidi Baker, Alexander Pagani, Isaiah Saldivar, and so many others. And I have to wonder where is their discernment? It seems that hey are becoming more and more like Michael Brown, who will do whatever is necessary to protect charismania.
They seriously have no discernment they give a total appearance of a legitimate like platform to false teachers.... they are stumbling block for new Christians.
I grew up in this movement. I would occasionally writhe and scream. It sounded awful but I felt wonderful. Praise God. He opened my eyes and got me out.
When you did the writhing and screaming did you do that on your own or were you prompted to do it? When I see this going on I wonder if the person is doing it deliberately like they’re just playing along or if a demon really is in them. How did you act after church was over? Did you still feel like writhing and screaming like you were possessed? Or did you return to normal?
@@LizKS48 I think it was probably a little bit of I wanted to do it, and a little bit of me, and a little bit of Group hypnosis. After I left church, I felt an emotional high. I was physically exhausted. I thought it was the Holy Spirit giving me something. I thought I was special to God. (I also thought I could sense if people were saved or not. Driving around I believed I could tell who was saved or not saved as they drove past me in their car). It was all poppy cock. Praise God He protected me from what I was doing. I was young and impressionable and genuinely wanted to know God more. Looking back I can see the pride and self-centered motives in my sinner's heart. I did experience 2 manifestations that had to have demonic origins. I don't know how to explain it happening to a believer. I never felt "possessed" but there was definitely something very real that occurred. It doesn't line up with the Bible, so God protected me long term. I didn't deserve to have Him watch over me, but I am ever so grateful He did.
I guess God protected me when I was in My Former WOF Church for over 35 years...I never did any writhing, screaming, or staggering around...I spent a lot of time working in the Nursery, so I missed out on a lot of "weird stuff." Besides, I was over 30 years old when I came to that Church and I was "watching my back."😮
I think that these people believe that if they say something enough times then it will magically become true. If you find the circus, you’ll find the clowns. Keep fighting the good fight Pastor Chris. Thank you
I used to go to a Word of Faith Church and they believe: "You can have what you say." This is supposed to be based on Mark 11:23...If you don't get what you want the first time you "say it," then your faith is weak, and you should keep on trying (endlessly).
I used to go to a Word of Faith Church and they believe: "You can have what you say." This is supposed to be based on Mark 11:23...If you don't get what you want the first time you "say it," then your faith is weak, and you should keep on trying (endlessly).
Long before i was saved - like 20 years ago; i was recovering from alcohol and substance abuse and attended AA meetings at a large church in suburban KC. One of my friends in the group, a young lady, barely 21, was all on fire about her new spiritual discovery. When i asked her to tell me she described a "church" where members engaged in 24 hr pray meetings - or something to that effect. My other friend - there were 3 of us that were tight, and I were visibly skeptical. When our friend detected this skeptism she took off from the meeting never to be seen again. One of the church elders where we attended meetings shook his head in amazement when we told him what happened and i remember him saying specifically that Mike Bickle was a fraud. I always wondered what happened to Jenna, my friend and i pray she sees this and tries to contact me
When you're part of this stuff, it's so normalised. Now, looking back on some of these examples, I am ever more grateful that God pulled me out of such deception.
It’s one thing if you as an adult expose yourself to this rubbish. But, when you force this upon children, it becomes child neglect, endangerment, and abuse.
What is it about the Charismatics that even the best of them have zero discernment and refuse to call out the demon umpired workers amongst them? Can’t any of them see these people for what they are? I have been amazed at their blindness for decades. I can’t even watch it. It’s so grievous to my spirit.
I was a charismatic and I did call out the false teachers that they were bringing into run special programs in my old church.... let's just say that they marked and avoided me! And I count that as a big win! Thank you God for bringing me out of that crazy movement!!!
Charismatics and Word of Faith people think that weird "manifestations" are from God and the Holy Spirit...The "weirder" something is, the more they like it😮
I was raised AoG and the remnant radio guys actually helped me leave much of that hyper charismatic and dispensationalist doctrine because they also give a platform to other Christian traditions. I had never heard of ceassationism before i encountered it on their show. Then they had a marathon event where they evaluated prophecies and after 8 hours none of them turned out to be true. That got me thinking.
Time for Chris to go face to face with these guys on Remnant Radio, don't you agree? That's how it was done with the Apostle Paul. He went boldly face to face with Peter!!! Agree??!!!
@@theodosios2615 Way too passive aggressive. Not the example to follow!! its' actually a wickedness the way that Chris does what he does, and he has no courage to go face to face!! A true man of God would go face to face!! Paul confronted Peter face to face. Chris would have a hard time doing his childish ridiculing face to face!! I know many Christians who would not tolerate such behavior!!! It would not be pleasant to ridicule them!!! The light would also make manifest face to face!! God would show up!!!
The Remnant Radio guys try to pretend they are “mild” or not hyper charismatics, but yet they interview the craziest charasmatics out there!! I grew up Pentecostal, and most of my Pentecostal friends and family members will claim they are are not hyper charismatic, but yet believe every story, and have no discernment when it comes to recognizing the Word of Faith charismatics, health and wealth, hyper charismatic, etc. I know only a couple of Pentecostals that seem to recognize and call out false teachers of the Pentecostal/ charismatic movement. Thankfully the Lord removed the blinders from my eyes. 👀 They are quick to call out what they believe are errors of the denomination I now attend, but would NEVER call out the ridiculousness of Heidi Baker, Kenneth Copeland, etc. 🤦🏽♀️
One very important thing to remember when discerning evil is that nice does not equal good. Just because I help orphans doesn't mean I'm not a bad person.
I used to attend Jesus Image “church”, where she also visited, but I was never there the nights she was there…at the time I was disappointed, but now I’m so grateful God protected me!!!
Lets see Chris go face to facw with these guys. God is with Chris (and Remnant Radio is so mis-guided) it should be easy to shame these guys face to face on their show!!!
@@marklucero2524 they won't bring him on like they won't bring Andrew Rappaport on whos been requesting to come on to debate them for weeks now... RR is all talk, no walk
@@tomtemple69 The rumor is that Chris won't go face to face. He can't ridicule them online face to face!! It's not Remnant Radio that is declining the online gathering, it's Chris who won't go on!!! That's the rumor!!
I caught the RR video live. Heidi Baker said she heard God speak to her audibly. The RR guys didn't even question her about that; they just blindly accepted it. I questioned them in the chat, but didn't get a response.
Don't you think it's time for Chris to accept an online face to face confrontation with these guys? Don't you think God would give Chris great boldness and put Remnant Radio in their place? God is with Chris with what he says about Remnant Radio, right? It should be easy for the bold Chris Roseborough to go face to face with these guys and put them in their place!! Right? Pray for the day when Chris goes face to face with these mis-led guys!!! This response video stuff is ineffective, and does little to persuade them. Chris should pray and get them to go online someday!!!!
Every time I see that "prophesy" of Heidi it brings tears to my eyes and hurts my heart so so much. That poor child crying out in agony is heart breaking. Knowing that it is demonic is terrifying and makes me cry every time for that poor child.
Same here. I remember seeing that video for the first time a few years ago shortly before leaving the charismatic movement. Infuriating! I wonder how that poor guy is doing now.
Gandolf spoke more sense than the Eagle Lady. Seriously Chris you do an excellent job in taking us through Gods word to point out the false teachings of these frauds.
Isn't it interesting that these people lose their ability to speak coherently or stand upright or they shake their head violently, yet they always seem to be able to hold a microphone to their mouth 🤔?
When I went to BSSM in 2010 (back when I was deceived) I listened to Heidi Baker and Jill Austin’s heavenly encounter album over and over and over again. There were 10 or so tracks with them talking about various supernatural encounters they experienced (such as going to heaven etc), with techno/trance music in the background. I was listening to these tracks in hopes of me also being able to experience these things (because that’s what Bethel teaches - “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy”, so what anyone else has experienced in the supernatural, whether in the Bible or now, is available for you if you go after it. And I was really doing everything to go after it). So one day I was laying on my couch falling asleep listening to this I had a very vivid and scary dream. I was surrounded by 3 or 4 entities, they didn’t look like any creatures that exists, they had various looking kinds of beaks, and reminded me of what you see in ancient Egyptian paintings etc. They abused me in this dream. I woke up and was very confused. I just could not understand how this could have happened when listening to such a “godly” audio. It puzzled me for years later. It wasn’t until God opened my eyes to the truth that I put two and two together and finally understood why I had that demonic dream.
That's because they're likely involved in an "Egyptian cult" that is very ancient- freemasonry is heavily tied to Hermes Trismagistus. Ancient gnosticism and there is also occultist groups like Ordo Templi Orientis. There were Gnostic cults that worshipped Yaldabaoth basically Satan himself.
I just got done watching their full response series to the Cessationist movie. By the time I got to part 5, their reasoning got more and more unhinged.
Our church runs a base in Mozambique under Iris Global for the orphans and we have "missions" there every year to visit. They reported this year that many leave as adults and can't cope, end up homeless, drug addicted. It's so sad because these bases are"love bubbles". They shelter them from everything as kids. May seem like good fruit to begin with but not so much down the track ☹️ Thanks for all you do Chris 🙏
When Heidi said over and over "stop eating your family" "don't eat your family" I thought I was having a stroke because it was complete gibberish to me. It was only when Chris said, stop eating your family stop coming for fellow Christians is what she meant I literally laughed out loud because I have NEVER and will NEVER see Heidi and those guys sitting listening to her and any other false prophet, heretic as my "family" in Christ because they are NOT.
Pastor Chris, this episode is one of your best! Thank You! 1 Corinthians 14:33 “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
I started listening to the Word of the Lord Endures Forever about three weeks ago. I get more out of and comfort from the Scripture and the exegesis of Pastor Weedon than I have ever before, except your own preaching on this channel. I think I'm becoming a Lutheran.
If RR were truly convicted of the true doctrine of the word , they would not defend her. Look at the rotten fruit from the bad tree. Thank you pastor Chris. Keep exposing these false teachers. Blessings 💞🙏
Amen brother thank you for showing no fear in calling out the fake anointed ones and those that support them ! They are evil liars and unless they repent will have their part in the lake of fire❤
Time for Chris to confront!! Just like Paul did with Peter! Go face to face I say or you will never effectively see a change. Chris has the boldness, why not??!!!!! anyone agree? We should pray for such a confrontation. Remnant Radio would just cave!!! Right? Holy boldness with Chris Roseborough vs. another spirit with Remnant Radio. God would do a great work and the Charismatics would no longer endorse foolishness, right? Anyone agree??!!!
The video of Heidi Baker imparting a demon to the poor young man was the last straw for me that really open my eyes to this charismatic blasphemy. It is part of the reason I started my own UA-cam channel to speak out against this heresy.
@@ballcappaul I started correcting all this "trash theology" in mid-late '22. Fully out myself just last year. I literally wrecked my wife's experience with all this as well. I sincerely thought we would get divorced after I shared with her that it was all false. She's now cried all her tears, and we are happier than ever.
I THINK I started "morphing out" of the Word of Faith Church in April 2020...I did a lot of soul searching that year---the "worst" part of COVID...By July 2021, I was ready to leave on Sunday nights only...By the end of December, I was out of there completely😮...!!!
Yesterday I watched an interview on “Iris Global” with a host I recognize, but don’t know his name, with Steffany Gretzinger (previously of Bethel “worship”) and in the interview he likens Steffany to “Heidi”… I wasn’t sure what he meant, but he must have been talking about Heidi Baker. Which is so strange to me. I can’t understand why all of these older very false teachers are duping so many youngish people?
I think it's because "experience" has become the determining factor for measuring one's relationship with God and personal worth to Him rather than having true biblical faith. Also I'm afraid many are not even saved..
Thank you Pastor Chris for this and for speaking out against these people that call themselves body of Christ or part of the family. They are NOT! They are so full of wickedness and use by satan to fool many. I was one of them. I was fooled into this cult and she was one that I truly believe was a saint 🤦🏽♀️. If I would have died while I was in this movement I would have for sure gone to hell. It’s so so sad and it angers me that they keep doing this. I hear them now and I’m like how in the world did I believe this vomit. ? But thank you for being an advocate of the sheep that don’t know how to read the Bible.. they only read the red letters.
This isn’t just limited to celebrity, extreme charismatics like Heidi Baker. Even in my neighborhood “churches” they practice similar theatrics such as this. So sad.
If doing good deeds is proof of one having the Spirit of God.....then the Hells Angels motorcycle club are very righteous people as they give toys to poor kids every year. I only bring that up because it amazes me the number of people who think good deeds equal a relationship with Christ. Even as a new believer over 20 years ago....i knew that people squirming around on the floor screaming is NOT a move of God. I will go as far as saying i don't think its possible for someone with the Holy Spirit to believe anything Heidi Baker does or says.
A couple of things about this episode to debrief on: 1.) The first time I had ever heard of Heidi and Rolland Baker was from a self-proclaimed evangelist in the Church of the Nazarene denomination named Dan Bohi, who was (and to my knowledge still is) actively campaigning to turn the Nazarene denomination into a charismatic sect, and unfortunately he has succeeded to an uncomfortable degree. This is a reminder that there are people who are trying to slip these lies into church bodies that are not historically associated with the charismatic/pentecostal sects. (ADDENDUM: I did a recent search on Bohi for curiosity's sake, and if what I read is correct, his organization, Becoming Love Ministries, is either explicitly or implicitly associate with the NAR, and if that is true, I cannot say I am surprised) 2.) One of the claims the Bakers have made is that they have actually raised hundreds of people from the dead, literally-I'm serious. So I decided, not too long ago, to write their ministry and ask if they had any sort of medical documentation which could verify their claims. A spokeswoman for their ministry contacted me back and frankly admitted to me that they did not have any documentation to share. I was not surprised, but respected the frankness of this spokeswoman in her honesty. That being said, it is always very telling of any ministry claiming to have miracles like Heidi and Rolland that they cannot provide any actual proof for their claims (and as Chris said in the video, even if there is evidence of supernatural miracles, it does not excuse the false doctrines promoted, Deuteronomy 13) 3.) And now, Pastor Chris, a question for you: when self-control as a fruit of the Spirit is mentioned, charismatics will often point to accounts such as King Saul prophesying against his will (recorded twice in I Samuel, if I recall correctly), Daniel becoming sick after his vision (Daniel chapter 8:27), and Eldad and Medad prophesying outside of the appointed elders of Israel (Numbers 11). Would you consider addressing these passages in the context of self-control as a fruit of the Spirit? Thank you
God will on the day of judgement give all of these false prophets above and beyond what they can imagine in punishment for the reproach they are bring on HIS SON 😢
I know that I am not any kind of English scholar. But it seems to me that the people called contuneist are the ones saying that the Bible has ceased to be relevant. And the people called ceasasnest are the ones who are saying that the Bible continues to be relevant.I like your clear defending of the Bible. Have a blessed day, and keep doing what you do.
Today I quit giving remnant radio benefit of the doubt with their slain in the spirit video. You will too if you get to the 20 min mark when they completely take out of context the scripture.
Thank you for rightly dividing the Word💥🤺🛡️ “For He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the Kingdom of His Son Who He loves in Whom we have redemption by His blood the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1: 13-14 The Authority of Scripture is all we need…and you are correct that that is NOT the Holy Spirit🔥May God have mercy on all of those wretched souls😳
Oh, yeah... Didn't Copeland say that Heidi Baker was going to be the Queen of America (or something like that)...This stuff is stranger than fiction😮........😂
Great video, I’m truly amazed that people like the Guys on remnant, radio and others in the charismatic movement can’t discern when something is not of God it’s quite amazing. It is unbelievable that these people have zero discernment and I mean zero it’s quite staggering what they let go, and what they are willing to, except from these false teachers.
Many years ago I was in movements like that. Charismatics. When people fall down, they are not in pain. I don't go to that churches anymore, but they don't have pain.
I hated this. It angers me as much as the LGBT madness in corporate America. Crazy people think that they are sane. The redeemed know this is trash. More and more will pop up. Don't cast your pearls amongst swine. Smile and walk away. People want what they want. Salvation is not a human decision. God is Sovereign.
Yeah, I get angry with the crazy Christian Nationalists in America that want to take over our country and believe everything they say and do is personally endorsed by God.
What angers me is the Christian Nationalist madness in America. Crazy people think everything they say and do is personally endorsed by God but we the redeemed know better that we are saved by grace and not works.
Thank you for using the Islamic Red Crescent as a "look at the fruit". Interesting point, but what would you say to "look at these Christians that have been saved because of her ministry"? Do we really just say that God saved *despite* the ministry?
These people don't have any Biblical discernment. They support false teachers and call them true brothers and sisters in Christ shows you how immature they are
Roland Bakers laugh was very demonic. When Heidi is imparting a demonic spirit into the young boy, you can see Bill Johnson coming towards the commotion. He calls for men to remove the poor child. I have often wondered whether that boy recovered and was delivered. I hope he received true Christian help somehow eventually.
9:20 Now, wait a minute, I feel like you’ve made an assumption here. You’ve claimed that they could not recognize him as a false teacher until it was proven that he was sexually abusing and manipulating women. Are you assuming they now recognize him as a false teacher or do they say he’s been caught in sin
Interestingly enough, if she were truly concerned about what God is saying, then she could have just quoted his actual word, "But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another" (Galatians 5:15). However, then she would have been backed into the corner of the context. I find this deeply ironic and especially telling.
Oh my goodness. Yes. He would walk up on stage and give these long prophesies and I would sit there and think “I don’t have a clue what he’s talking about”. It sounded like word salad. But people around me would oh and ah and cheer like it was the best thing they’d ever heard. Back then I thought I wasn’t spiritually minded enough to understand. Thank goodness the Lord removes blinders!!
That Bethel video still distrubs me to this day. Anyone who promotes her should be avoided. So thankful we are in a bible believing church that doesn't sing Bethel.
38:45 Hi pastor Chris, could you explain how "Or is it from you that the word of god came?" cannot be translated "What?!" instead of "or"? I've seen some translations that seem to suggest the women keeping silent passage is a quotation from a letter Paul is responding to. I however am no Greek scholar or text critic, so I have a hard time rebutting these liberal arguments.
Can anyone confirm if there is a connection with the Remnant Radio guys, specifically Michael Rowntree, is the Pastor of the church that Sam Storms use to Pastor?
Yes, Rowntree did take over Storms church it is mentioned on at least a couple of their older videos, sorry I don't remember which ones. In fact one of them Storms is on one made near that transition time. Also, as a background Rowntree and Miller were mentored directly by Jack Deere. Deere was at one time a professor of the Old Testament at Dallas Theological. He became involved with John Wimber. Deere has provided the crazy theories that "prophets" don't don't have to be accurate. I could say more about Deere but will stop for now. And needless to say Deere was fired by Dallas Theological.
That's because it is Shaktipat - and it's a sensual spirit not the Holy Spirit. Even far worse Shaktipat is tied to Shiva worship. Shiva statues have the mark of the beast on him because Shiva is the HIndu version of Abaddon/Appollyon. Absolutely demonizing.
I am a South African and I have a question for Heidi Baker - which tribe in northern Mozambique is covered with tattoos all over them and which one of the Mozambican languages was she interpreting? I have been working in Mozambique for decades and would very confidently say she is a liar!
Is it me or it REALLY does feel like the charismatic movement is becoming more and more cultish?
No doubt.
It ain't you.
Plenty of historical evidence that suggests it always was
100%
It's always been a cult. They hate you when you leave
I used to work at bethel. Anytime I ever questioned something a speaker said or did I was always told “just look at the fruit”. Makes me think of the time Jesus was hungry and walked up to a fig tree with no figs on it. I was always made to believe there was something wrong with me because I wasn’t enamored by all these false teachers.
Thank you so much for all your videos Chris. You have truly helped me see the truth and the REAL Holy Spirit has been healing my heart and mind from all the damage done to me at my time at Bethel. Bless you brother.
When I questioned certain WOF”teachers” my friend who was still deep in these false teachers told me Too look at their fruit Crazy dazes we live in ,
I did two years at BSSM in 2009-2010. Great to see you too have been brought out of this wicked doctrine.
Or eat the meat and spit out the bones... ?
@@hogomeikoWith Bethel, it is ALL BONES .!!😮
@@hogomeikoYes whenever I question something that is what I was being told.The problem is the meat and the bones is being blended into a shake and was given to us with a cherry on top.Very sad!
I’m so glad that my son, Jhen Lim shared to me about Fighting for the Faith. Now I am aware..and learning. Praise God! 🙏
When did stupidity and nonsense become a fruit of the Spirit?
It's a different spirit. Nothing "Holy" about it.
They are supposedly basing what they believe on the Bible...They just twist it and take it out of context..!!😮
@@robbyclark6915 Self control is one of the fruits.
This is ABSOLUTLY heart breaking😢-God's patience with sinners is on full display here,but the day of judgement is coming,soon.
Are they really comparing her to Jesus? Did they call Him a party animal? What kind of Jesus do they serve? Definitely not the Jesus I read about in the Bible!! They are so off on this topic!
I thought the same thing when I heard that- they compared her to Jesus.
I first came across the RR guys a few years ago, and hoped they would be okay. However, they go farther and farther, even now endorsing people like Heidi Baker, Alexander Pagani, Isaiah Saldivar, and so many others. And I have to wonder where is their discernment? It seems that hey are becoming more and more like Michael Brown, who will do whatever is necessary to protect charismania.
They seriously have no discernment they give a total appearance of a legitimate like platform to false teachers.... they are stumbling block for new Christians.
They're too dug in to ever recant so they dig a deeper hole for themselves
I used to think RR was okay, but they deteriorated quickly..!!😮
I grew up in this movement. I would occasionally writhe and scream. It sounded awful but I felt wonderful. Praise God. He opened my eyes and got me out.
When you did the writhing and screaming did you do that on your own or were you prompted to do it? When I see this going on I wonder if the person is doing it deliberately like they’re just playing along or if a demon really is in them. How did you act after church was over? Did you still feel like writhing and screaming like you were possessed? Or did you return to normal?
@@LizKS48 I think it was probably a little bit of I wanted to do it, and a little bit of me, and a little bit of Group hypnosis. After I left church, I felt an emotional high. I was physically exhausted. I thought it was the Holy Spirit giving me something. I thought I was special to God. (I also thought I could sense if people were saved or not. Driving around I believed I could tell who was saved or not saved as they drove past me in their car).
It was all poppy cock. Praise God He protected me from what I was doing. I was young and impressionable and genuinely wanted to know God more. Looking back I can see the pride and self-centered motives in my sinner's heart.
I did experience 2 manifestations that had to have demonic origins. I don't know how to explain it happening to a believer. I never felt "possessed" but there was definitely something very real that occurred. It doesn't line up with the Bible, so God protected me long term. I didn't deserve to have Him watch over me, but I am ever so grateful He did.
I guess God protected me when I was in My Former WOF Church for over 35 years...I never did any writhing, screaming, or staggering around...I spent a lot of time working in the Nursery, so I missed out on a lot of "weird stuff." Besides, I was over 30 years old when I came to that Church and I was "watching my back."😮
@ Yeah. That makes sense. I was 17 when a Toronto-esque "revival" came to my church.
I think that these people believe that if they say something enough times then it will magically become true. If you find the circus, you’ll find the clowns. Keep fighting the good fight Pastor Chris. Thank you
I used to go to a Word of Faith Church and they believe: "You can have what you say." This is supposed to be based on Mark 11:23...If you don't get what you want the first time you "say it," then your faith is weak, and you should keep on trying (endlessly).
I used to go to a Word of Faith Church and they believe: "You can have what you say." This is supposed to be based on Mark 11:23...If you don't get what you want the first time you "say it," then your faith is weak, and you should keep on trying (endlessly).
I think I pushed the "wrong button" twice😮
Long before i was saved - like 20 years ago; i was recovering from alcohol and substance abuse and attended AA meetings at a large church in suburban KC. One of my friends in the group, a young lady, barely 21, was all on fire about her new spiritual discovery. When i asked her to tell me she described a "church" where members engaged in 24 hr pray meetings - or something to that effect. My other friend - there were 3 of us that were tight, and I were visibly skeptical. When our friend detected this skeptism she took off from the meeting never to be seen again. One of the church elders where we attended meetings shook his head in amazement when we told him what happened and i remember him saying specifically that Mike Bickle was a fraud. I always wondered what happened to Jenna, my friend and i pray she sees this and tries to contact me
“ church elders”.. 🤣
@@user-nm3eu8tw6c It seems to me that many of the charismatic's have a addiction to emotions, it's a real thing and some take it to the extreme.
MB has always been one of the most obvious frauds and false teachers. Anyone that has ever followed him is deceived and blind.
When you're part of this stuff, it's so normalised. Now, looking back on some of these examples, I am ever more grateful that God pulled me out of such deception.
I left my FORMER WOF Church in July of 2021...Yay..!!😅🎉
It’s one thing if you as an adult expose yourself to this rubbish. But, when you force this upon children, it becomes child neglect, endangerment, and abuse.
What is it about the Charismatics that even the best of them have zero discernment and refuse to call out the demon umpired workers amongst them? Can’t any of them see these people for what they are? I have been amazed at their blindness for decades. I can’t even watch it. It’s so grievous to my spirit.
I was a charismatic and I did call out the false teachers that they were bringing into run special programs in my old church.... let's just say that they marked and avoided me! And I count that as a big win! Thank you God for bringing me out of that crazy movement!!!
Charismatics and Word of Faith people think that weird "manifestations" are from God and the Holy Spirit...The "weirder" something is, the more they like it😮
I was raised AoG and the remnant radio guys actually helped me leave much of that hyper charismatic and dispensationalist doctrine because they also give a platform to other Christian traditions. I had never heard of ceassationism before i encountered it on their show. Then they had a marathon event where they evaluated prophecies and after 8 hours none of them turned out to be true. That got me thinking.
They exhibit traits of what I call “Charismatic Cessationists”: people that don’t practice the spiritual gift of discernment.
Rubbish. I think youre hanging on a charasmatic branch some where
Heidi is so cringe. 😬 If I was in the same room as her I wouldn't be able to stay.
What?? The RR guys giving another free pass to a charismatic whackerdoodle? I'm shocked. 🙄
For real
Time for Chris to go face to face with these guys on Remnant Radio, don't you agree?
That's how it was done with the Apostle Paul. He went boldly face to face with Peter!!! Agree??!!!
@@marklucero2524To accomplish what? To amuse you and satisfy your need for drama? He's made his points crystal clear.
@@theodosios2615 Way too passive aggressive. Not the example to follow!! its' actually a wickedness the way that Chris does what he does, and he has no courage to go face to face!! A true man of God would go face to face!! Paul confronted Peter face to face. Chris would have a hard time doing his childish ridiculing face to face!! I know many Christians who would not tolerate such behavior!!! It would not be pleasant to ridicule them!!! The light would also make manifest face to face!! God would show up!!!
@@marklucero2524It's not passive aggressive. He's very blunt about his views and doesn't dodge them.
The only thing I remember about Heidi Baker, was that she was hollering over that poor boy who was writhing on the floor...I don't get it 😮
The Remnant Radio guys try to pretend they are “mild” or not hyper charismatics, but yet they interview the craziest charasmatics out there!! I grew up Pentecostal, and most of my Pentecostal friends and family members will claim they are are not hyper charismatic, but yet believe every story, and have no discernment when it comes to recognizing the Word of Faith charismatics, health and wealth, hyper charismatic, etc. I know only a couple of Pentecostals that seem to recognize and call out false teachers of the Pentecostal/ charismatic movement. Thankfully the Lord removed the blinders from my eyes. 👀
They are quick to call out what they believe are errors of the denomination I now attend, but would NEVER call out the ridiculousness of Heidi Baker, Kenneth Copeland, etc. 🤦🏽♀️
Oh, yeah... Kenneth Copeland is one of the REAL HEAD HONCHOS for Word of Faith people...Never say anything bad about him, in front of those guys..!!😮🔥
One very important thing to remember when discerning evil is that nice does not equal good. Just because I help orphans doesn't mean I'm not a bad person.
Remnant radio is so dysfunctional in their biblical logic it's mind-blowing to me
Edging on another Sid Roth "It's Supernatural" type media..
I can't watch Remnant Radio anymore.
@caroleimani9754 same
I used to attend Jesus Image “church”, where she also visited, but I was never there the nights she was there…at the time I was disappointed, but now I’m so grateful God protected me!!!
I praise God that his true Holy Spirit rescued me from Bethel before I signed up to Hogwarts.
😂@ Hogwarts.. Praise God for saving you
Everytime I see these types of videos my skin crawls. Thanks for your good and faithful work, and teaching us the true word of God.
"religious spirit" is a sure indicator of someone who has no idea what they're talking about....
Lets see Chris go face to facw with these guys. God is with Chris (and Remnant Radio is so mis-guided) it should be easy to shame these guys face to face on their show!!!
What people call the religious spirit, Jesus called the leaven of The Pharisees. Where is that spirit in today's church culture? Can you point it out?
@@marklucero2524 they won't bring him on like they won't bring Andrew Rappaport on whos been requesting to come on to debate them for weeks now... RR is all talk, no walk
@@tomtemple69 The rumor is that Chris won't go face to face. He can't ridicule them online face to face!!
It's not Remnant Radio that is declining the online gathering, it's Chris who won't go on!!! That's the rumor!!
I caught the RR video live. Heidi Baker said she heard God speak to her audibly. The RR guys didn't even question her about that; they just blindly accepted it. I questioned them in the chat, but didn't get a response.
Yep. And when Pagani was on the show, they never questioned him about Jesus merging with his body in prison.
Apostle Paul warns of much and this as well.
You didn't get a response because they're cowards.
Don't you think it's time for Chris to accept an online face to face confrontation with these guys? Don't you think God would give Chris great boldness and put Remnant Radio in their place? God is with Chris with what he says about Remnant Radio, right? It should be easy for the bold Chris Roseborough to go face to face with these guys and put them in their place!! Right? Pray for the day when Chris goes face to face with these mis-led guys!!! This response video stuff is ineffective, and does little to persuade them. Chris should pray and get them to go online someday!!!!
The Remnant Radio guys try to be "SUPER MELLOW" and accepting, but they go overboard and they accept EVERYBODY..!!😮
Every time I see that "prophesy" of Heidi it brings tears to my eyes and hurts my heart so so much. That poor child crying out in agony is heart breaking. Knowing that it is demonic is terrifying and makes me cry every time for that poor child.
Same here. I remember seeing that video for the first time a few years ago shortly before leaving the charismatic movement. Infuriating! I wonder how that poor guy is doing now.
WHY DON'T YOU PRAY INSTEAD OF CRYING..!!😮
My heart breaks for those innocent children and people that are being misled
Gandolf spoke more sense than the Eagle Lady. Seriously Chris you do an excellent job in taking us through Gods word to point out the false teachings of these frauds.
Isn't it interesting that these people lose their ability to speak coherently or stand upright or they shake their head violently, yet they always seem to be able to hold a microphone to their mouth 🤔?
I was wondering about that, too!😂
@@tad3900 exactly
When I went to BSSM in 2010 (back when I was deceived) I listened to Heidi Baker and Jill Austin’s heavenly encounter album over and over and over again. There were 10 or so tracks with them talking about various supernatural encounters they experienced (such as going to heaven etc), with techno/trance music in the background. I was listening to these tracks in hopes of me also being able to experience these things (because that’s what Bethel teaches - “the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesy”, so what anyone else has experienced in the supernatural, whether in the Bible or now, is available for you if you go after it. And I was really doing everything to go after it). So one day I was laying on my couch falling asleep listening to this I had a very vivid and scary dream. I was surrounded by 3 or 4 entities, they didn’t look like any creatures that exists, they had various looking kinds of beaks, and reminded me of what you see in ancient Egyptian paintings etc. They abused me in this dream. I woke up and was very confused. I just could not understand how this could have happened when listening to such a “godly” audio. It puzzled me for years later. It wasn’t until God opened my eyes to the truth that I put two and two together and finally understood why I had that demonic dream.
That's because they're likely involved in an "Egyptian cult" that is very ancient- freemasonry is heavily tied to Hermes Trismagistus. Ancient gnosticism and there is also occultist groups like Ordo Templi Orientis. There were Gnostic cults that worshipped Yaldabaoth basically Satan himself.
Thank you Pastor Chris
I just got done watching their full response series to the Cessationist movie. By the time I got to part 5, their reasoning got more and more unhinged.
A lot of what these "Charismatic" people do is of all the devil but so is cessationism. Satan works in extremism.
Satan comes as an angel of light
Our church runs a base in Mozambique under Iris Global for the orphans and we have "missions" there every year to visit. They reported this year that many leave as adults and can't cope, end up homeless, drug addicted. It's so sad because these bases are"love bubbles". They shelter them from everything as kids. May seem like good fruit to begin with but not so much down the track ☹️
Thanks for all you do Chris 🙏
NOTICE. Seems to be out of control BUT NEVER DOPS THE MIC
Like the demon possessed people who catch their eyeglasses, or pull up their pants in the heat of “ deliverance”
That’s a good point
Whoa…yeah!
The RR guys continue to go farther and farther into the void of crazy town.
That "thing" that seemed to be "controlling" Heidi Baker--Was that an "evil spirit" who made her slither around?... That WASN'T The Holy Spirit..!!❤
When Heidi said over and over "stop eating your family" "don't eat your family" I thought I was having a stroke because it was complete gibberish to me. It was only when Chris said, stop eating your family stop coming for fellow Christians is what she meant I literally laughed out loud because I have NEVER and will NEVER see Heidi and those guys sitting listening to her and any other false prophet, heretic as my "family" in Christ because they are NOT.
They defended Mike Bickle too! I saw one of their videos and after they took up for Bickle I never watched them again!
She brought fire on that poor boy! It’s scary!
Pastor Chris, this episode is one of your best! Thank You!
1 Corinthians 14:33
“For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.”
I started listening to the Word of the Lord Endures Forever about three weeks ago. I get more out of and comfort from the Scripture and the exegesis of Pastor Weedon than I have ever before, except your own preaching on this channel. I think I'm becoming a Lutheran.
Thanks!
If RR were truly convicted of the true doctrine of the word , they would not defend her. Look at the rotten fruit from the bad tree. Thank you pastor Chris. Keep exposing these false teachers. Blessings 💞🙏
Amen brother thank you for showing no fear in calling out the fake anointed ones and those that support them ! They are evil liars and unless they repent will have their part in the lake of fire❤
Thank you, Pastor Chris, for this critique and exposition of scripture!
Thanks to you,our son is at CFWS !
Remnant radio does not promote Christian content. Those guys are foolish. Mark and avoid!
Should they be compared to TGC?
@@cat-bg3rv who/ what is TGC?
@@lauriecollins7312 The Gospel Coalition
Time for Chris to confront!! Just like Paul did with Peter! Go face to face I say or you will never effectively see a change. Chris has the boldness, why not??!!!!! anyone agree? We should pray for such a confrontation. Remnant Radio would just cave!!! Right? Holy boldness with Chris Roseborough vs. another spirit with Remnant Radio. God would do a great work and the Charismatics would no longer endorse foolishness, right? Anyone agree??!!!
Shut up. Crappy gaz lighting
The video of Heidi Baker imparting a demon to the poor young man was the last straw for me that really open my eyes to this charismatic blasphemy. It is part of the reason I started my own UA-cam channel to speak out against this heresy.
Modern Pentecostal (Charismatic) Church:
MORE Feeling...LESS Bible
Amen, I come out of this. Before anyone discredits me, I was deep into it for almost 20 years. 😢
@@ozthebereanYup, me too. Migrated out starting in 2019. Fully out January of this year.
@@ballcappaul I started correcting all this "trash theology" in mid-late '22. Fully out myself just last year. I literally wrecked my wife's experience with all this as well. I sincerely thought we would get divorced after I shared with her that it was all false. She's now cried all her tears, and we are happier than ever.
I THINK I started "morphing out" of the Word of Faith Church in April 2020...I did a lot of soul searching that year---the "worst" part of COVID...By July 2021, I was ready to leave on Sunday nights only...By the end of December, I was out of there completely😮...!!!
I should clarify that I completely left my FORMER WOF Church at the end of December 2021😅
Excellent coverage and commentary brother 👍🏻
However drunk Heidi is in the spirit she never drops the mike.
Yesterday I watched an interview on “Iris Global” with a host I recognize, but don’t know his name, with Steffany Gretzinger (previously of Bethel “worship”) and in the interview he likens Steffany to “Heidi”… I wasn’t sure what he meant, but he must have been talking about Heidi Baker. Which is so strange to me. I can’t understand why all of these older very false teachers are duping so many youngish people?
Will Hart. Heidi’s spiritual son who runs Iris Global.
I think it's because "experience" has become the determining factor for measuring one's relationship with God and personal worth to Him rather than having true biblical faith.
Also I'm afraid many are not even saved..
Thank you Pastor Chris for this and for speaking out against these people that call themselves body of Christ or part of the family. They are NOT!
They are so full of wickedness and use by satan to fool many. I was one of them. I was fooled into this cult and she was one that I truly believe was a saint 🤦🏽♀️.
If I would have died while I was in this movement I would have for sure gone to hell. It’s so so sad and it angers me that they keep doing this. I hear them now and I’m like how in the world did I believe this vomit. ? But thank you for being an advocate of the sheep that don’t know how to read the Bible.. they only read the red letters.
None of these "prophecies" are ever specific and always preach victory.
This isn’t just limited to celebrity, extreme charismatics like Heidi Baker. Even in my neighborhood “churches” they practice similar theatrics such as this. So sad.
What's really sad is that the parents are exposing their kids to demons.
If doing good deeds is proof of one having the Spirit of God.....then the Hells Angels motorcycle club are very righteous people as they give toys to poor kids every year. I only bring that up because it amazes me the number of people who think good deeds equal a relationship with Christ.
Even as a new believer over 20 years ago....i knew that people squirming around on the floor screaming is NOT a move of God. I will go as far as saying i don't think its possible for someone with the Holy Spirit to believe anything Heidi Baker does or says.
God bless you pastor Chris
A couple of things about this episode to debrief on:
1.) The first time I had ever heard of Heidi and Rolland Baker was from a self-proclaimed evangelist in the Church of the Nazarene denomination named Dan Bohi, who was (and to my knowledge still is) actively campaigning to turn the Nazarene denomination into a charismatic sect, and unfortunately he has succeeded to an uncomfortable degree. This is a reminder that there are people who are trying to slip these lies into church bodies that are not historically associated with the charismatic/pentecostal sects. (ADDENDUM: I did a recent search on Bohi for curiosity's sake, and if what I read is correct, his organization, Becoming Love Ministries, is either explicitly or implicitly associate with the NAR, and if that is true, I cannot say I am surprised)
2.) One of the claims the Bakers have made is that they have actually raised hundreds of people from the dead, literally-I'm serious. So I decided, not too long ago, to write their ministry and ask if they had any sort of medical documentation which could verify their claims. A spokeswoman for their ministry contacted me back and frankly admitted to me that they did not have any documentation to share. I was not surprised, but respected the frankness of this spokeswoman in her honesty. That being said, it is always very telling of any ministry claiming to have miracles like Heidi and Rolland that they cannot provide any actual proof for their claims (and as Chris said in the video, even if there is evidence of supernatural miracles, it does not excuse the false doctrines promoted, Deuteronomy 13)
3.) And now, Pastor Chris, a question for you: when self-control as a fruit of the Spirit is mentioned, charismatics will often point to accounts such as King Saul prophesying against his will (recorded twice in I Samuel, if I recall correctly), Daniel becoming sick after his vision (Daniel chapter 8:27), and Eldad and Medad prophesying outside of the appointed elders of Israel (Numbers 11). Would you consider addressing these passages in the context of self-control as a fruit of the Spirit? Thank you
Glad to be here. I agree with you Chris
How does she have time to minister in Africa if she’s on American tv all the time….
God will on the day of judgement give all of these false prophets above and beyond what they can imagine in punishment for the reproach they are bring on HIS SON 😢
I know that I am not any kind of English scholar. But it seems to me that the people called contuneist are the ones saying that the Bible has ceased to be relevant. And the people called ceasasnest are the ones who are saying that the Bible continues to be relevant.I like your clear defending of the Bible. Have a blessed day, and keep doing what you do.
Heidi Baker….bad tree, bad fruit. Remnant Radio….bad tree, bad fruit.
She's never too "spiritually" lit to drop her microphone though...😂
That revelation that woman got about not eating her family was really meant for Heidi to STOP feeding the flock FALSE TEACHING!!!
How are you doing Patlewis.?
@ I’m fine
@@patlewis7591 Patlewis how is the weather and where are you watching from.?
@@patlewis7591 and is that really you on your profile photo? Wow!
@@TomLeonard-s5j YES!!! Is that really you on your Profile???
Today I quit giving remnant radio benefit of the doubt with their slain in the spirit video. You will too if you get to the 20 min mark when they completely take out of context the scripture.
Great episode! Thanks
16:14 ever seen a coronation where the one being crowned gets electrocuted?
Thank you for rightly dividing the Word💥🤺🛡️ “For He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the Kingdom of His Son Who He loves in Whom we have redemption by His blood the forgiveness of sins.” Colossians 1: 13-14
The Authority of Scripture is all we need…and you are correct that that is NOT the Holy Spirit🔥May God have mercy on all of those wretched souls😳
Oh, yeah... Didn't Copeland say that Heidi Baker was going to be the Queen of America (or something like that)...This stuff is stranger than fiction😮........😂
Great video, I’m truly amazed that people like the Guys on remnant, radio and others in the charismatic movement can’t discern when something is not of God it’s quite amazing. It is unbelievable that these people have zero discernment and I mean zero it’s quite staggering what they let go, and what they are willing to, except from these false teachers.
Did anyone ever find that kid and interview him, pray over him, help him?
That woman repeating legacy is doing incantations clearly
The eagle does take the snake up to a great heightt, then drops it to the grpunnd thus killing it.
Many years ago I was in movements like that. Charismatics.
When people fall down, they are not in pain.
I don't go to that churches anymore, but they don't have pain.
I hated this. It angers me as much as the LGBT madness in corporate America.
Crazy people think that they are sane. The redeemed know this is trash. More and more will pop up. Don't cast your pearls amongst swine. Smile and walk away. People want what they want. Salvation is not a human decision. God is Sovereign.
Yeah, I get angry with the crazy Christian Nationalists in America that want to take over our country and believe everything they say and do is personally endorsed by God.
What angers me is the Christian Nationalist madness in America. Crazy people think everything they say and do is personally endorsed by God but we the redeemed know better that we are saved by grace and not works.
And remnant is as ignorant as anyone that shows up on Sid Roth
@@ScottFrye000111222 Correct. We must focus on what we can control. Why waste life on morons. It's all sin. Greed, Power, Money. Big Church BS.
can't say that I'm surprised with their track record, such as promoting Todd White...
What? !!
Agree something seriously concerning brewing over at remnant radio.
So are these Remnant Radio guys nephews of Sid Roth? They seem rather gullible.
I've see the video clip several times of the young man writhing. I pray he has been set free and is firmly walking in God's Holy Word.
How disturbing, that there are kids running around as if in kindergarten....oh how they all laugh....unbelievable.
Thank you for using the Islamic Red Crescent as a "look at the fruit". Interesting point, but what would you say to "look at these Christians that have been saved because of her ministry"? Do we really just say that God saved *despite* the ministry?
Everyone desperately wants to have super powers. GOD and his Word will never be enough for them.
Wait until they can't die because they refuse to repent. They are leading a New Age "revival" into the direct worship of Satan.
These people don't have any Biblical discernment. They support false teachers and call them true brothers and sisters in Christ shows you how immature they are
Even the Remnant radio guys want to laugh at Heidi!! 😂
Thx you Chris for teaching this. I am glad this post hastnt become a slander to and fro. Although you where slandered. I hope you keep it up.
Roland Bakers laugh was very demonic. When Heidi is imparting a demonic spirit into the young boy, you can see Bill Johnson coming towards the commotion. He calls for men to remove the poor child. I have often wondered whether that boy recovered and was delivered. I hope he received true Christian help somehow eventually.
9:20 Now, wait a minute, I feel like you’ve made an assumption here. You’ve claimed that they could not recognize him as a false teacher until it was proven that he was sexually abusing and manipulating women. Are you assuming they now recognize him as a false teacher or do they say he’s been caught in sin
This is so terrible 😢 I hope really God has moved mighty on this young guy s behalf.thank you pst.Chris for your great work.❤
Interestingly enough, if she were truly concerned about what God is saying, then she could have just quoted his actual word, "But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another" (Galatians 5:15). However, then she would have been backed into the corner of the context. I find this deeply ironic and especially telling.
I really could never get Bob Jones. I was like what is he saying ????
He sounds creepy 😮
Oh my goodness. Yes. He would walk up on stage and give these long prophesies and I would sit there and think “I don’t have a clue what he’s talking about”. It sounded like word salad. But people around me would oh and ah and cheer like it was the best thing they’d ever heard. Back then I thought I wasn’t spiritually minded enough to understand.
Thank goodness the Lord removes blinders!!
That Bethel video still distrubs me to this day. Anyone who promotes her should be avoided. So thankful we are in a bible believing church that doesn't sing Bethel.
38:45 Hi pastor Chris, could you explain how "Or is it from you that the word of god came?" cannot be translated "What?!" instead of "or"? I've seen some translations that seem to suggest the women keeping silent passage is a quotation from a letter Paul is responding to. I however am no Greek scholar or text critic, so I have a hard time rebutting these liberal arguments.
Oh, also, another great teaching by Chris who always goes back to the written word and proves himself.
Can anyone confirm if there is a connection with the Remnant Radio guys, specifically Michael Rowntree, is the Pastor of the church that Sam Storms use to Pastor?
Yes, Rowntree did take over Storms church it is mentioned on at least a couple of their older videos, sorry I don't remember which ones. In fact one of them Storms is on one made near that transition time. Also, as a background Rowntree and Miller were mentored directly by Jack Deere.
Deere was at one time a professor of the Old Testament at Dallas Theological. He became involved with John Wimber. Deere has provided the crazy theories that "prophets" don't don't have to be accurate. I could say more about Deere but will stop for now. And needless to say Deere was fired by Dallas Theological.
Bridgeway Church, Oklahoma City
15:40 thats like kundalini right there....
That's because it is Shaktipat - and it's a sensual spirit not the Holy Spirit. Even far worse Shaktipat is tied to Shiva worship. Shiva statues have the mark of the beast on him because Shiva is the HIndu version of Abaddon/Appollyon. Absolutely demonizing.
@KatHidson absolutely correct