Why He Left Christianity: The 3 Bible Issues He Couldn't Ignore
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- Опубліковано 3 вер 2023
- Why He Left Christianity: The 3 Bible Issues He Couldn't Ignore
David McDonald was a youth Pastor for many years and was extremely devoted to Christianity. He was an Evangelical Christian who started studying the Bible and three major issues came up which caused him to really start doubting.
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There shouldn't be 2000 years of non-harmony & endless denominations among the same religion.
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My mother TORMENTED and abused me with end times theology my entire life (until I went no contact after age 34, and her telling me I shouldn't have had children because "woe to those who are pregnant and nursing in the end times"). This is both SO validating and INFURIATING.
Omg.
I AM SO SORRY you had to go through that.
I can totally relate to that. My mother called me "Lucifer" and said I was going to HELL all the time, even though I sacrificed everything to take care of her in her old age. She hated me and blamed me for her miserable life which she had chosen for herself. Some people need to denigrate others in order to make them feel better about themselves.
Ur mom miss read the bible..
You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on UA-cam on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose).
I can relate very much the same. I struggled, then sincerely went into deep prayer and asked what I can do to fix the struggle and feel the Spirit again. To my surprise, the still small voice pressed on me saying “it’s time to walk away from the Church and discover new”. I was shocked. I didn’t expect that answer. I made a compromise, “If I do this, I trust that is God wants me to come back, then God will lead me back”. What I discovered is the topics here, Myths and the common thread of that ties all traditional spiritual traditions. It’s a lonely walk sometimes, because it hard to walk away from the social comfort of all my Church family, but it’s still a meaningful spiritual life.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Abba called our family out of the Church as well. There are so many traditions of man that are seen in the Church as so much more important than the actual truth.
We bought a farm and were overwhelmed at how to fit all of the extra work in. When I prayed about it, he told us to keep the Sabbath. That didn’t make any sense because it gave us one day less to do the farm work that was already overwhelming! Yet, oddly enough that shifted everything and we have really been blessed in the land.
I believe his “Heavenly scrolls” are truth and are seen in the heavens and the things that he has made, but the written word can be corrupted
@@hopeisorange Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
I’m so amazed by how some people were so intellectual about de-converting. Mine was a more emotionally based de-conversion. Mostly, I got tired of feeling guilty and depressed all the time.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Let us reword your statements slightly to aid in understanding how they sound to everyone else. “All humans need to believe in Thor as their Rain God. Why? Because all humans have sinned (farted, overslept, drove to fast, ate fatty foods etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of Odin) and choose Valhalla today. Thor defeated death by rising from the dead. Odin is Holy.
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
Ok. Which God are we talking about here? So many deities and so little time. All of them have their special sins we have to keep up with. For most it gets confusing. Did you decide to go ahead with Thor? You didn’t say.
@@NoSenatorson I said Jesus as God
Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.
I almost gave up my faith - but I couldn’t deny the certain creative ways some of my prayers were answered… (That and J.S. Bach’s music!) I don’t have all the answers, I’ve had disappointments, I have accepted gray areas in my faith, and wrestling with questions isn’t a bad thing! Thank you for sharing your perspective, I respect your journey.
There are also other forces and mind stuff like psychology and so on which can make things come true… did not obviously have to be a GOD or a Christian GOD which answered prayers. Sometimes it’s only the focus and the wish which also has power on its own
You can like Bach without being religious
I respect yours as well.❤
The fundamentalists will tell you that when Jesus said,"This generation," he meant the generation that sees all the signs spoken of in that same chapter, i.e, the generation we live in now.They have ready made answers to every contradiction, no matter how stupid it is.But they are obviously good enough "answers" for the choir they preach to-who see what they want to see and disregard the rest.
Exactly. No amount of truth will convince any of them. It’s a personal truth journey.
I've heard that one too but then the text should read "that generation" not "this generation".
@@peterjack2323 Take your antipsychotics
@@peterjack2323 Oh, man. A Generation is 7000 years? A generation of what? Humans? No. Gods? No. How was a "generation" ever related to a "cycle of mankind"? That's just made-up and unsubstantiated fiction nonsense of unknown origin, you know. A generation has never meant 7000 years anywhere. So who would even claim that? A comedian?
@@erikhaynes5506Exactly!
I live near David 🙌 however, in 2000 I came to Sydney to study with a huge church, which was up to no good and Ive been stuck here since! Havent seen my homeland 🍀since 2003 😢. I can tell by David's voice how he would have been as a pastor. So glad he's deconstructing. The church here makes my stomach turn!
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
As a Christian I’m leaning towards that Christ already returned as Preterism suggests. This channel & others like yours are opening my eyes to these same questions.
I was told that I was "overthinking" doctrine issues all the time. It seemed that any amount of thinking was "overthinking". Bible studies at the church I used to go to were like English comprehension exercises for six-year-olds at infant school, even though everyone present was an adult.
Hilarious 😂
JESUS IS REAL ,MOVE and TALK in me , HE SO SWEET
@@kingchrist3167 Why does Jesus play favourites? I prayed diligently for years and nothing. Came to the conclusion it's all fake , no heaven , no hell and no afterlife.
When you're dead you're dead plain and simple.
@@briancarton1804
I cant die , because JESUS !
HE REAL in me , move and talk
You are only deceiving yourself,
death is the problem that humans must solve
HELL forever ...NO WAY ,!
@@kingchrist3167 Where is your proof? Do you think I am goings to hell and if so why?
I've had all these questions since I was a kid. That's when I surmised that the adults at my church were not not reading the WHOLE bible. I started paying attention to our sunday school lessons and realized that we came back the same lessons every 2 years. I knew I would not have or find permission to deconstruct my faith or anyones BUT I am 63 years old and I have given myself permission to dive into a deconstructed faith with a realization that if there a God and creator of this material universe there is no way that God is as religious as we want to believe.
Our Creator is not religious! But what everyone misses because Christianity is monotheistic is that there is only One God! But, if you read the Bible, you find out there were many gods, and they were as accurate as Yahuwah! These were known as The Elohim!" which means Sons of God in English. Well, in Deut. 32:8-9 it says that "The Most High God," "El Elyon" in Hebrew, gave his "Elohim" an inheritance, and each got a Nation. And Yahuwah got Israel!
El Elyon is not Yahuwah. That's the problem with Christianity! It comes from Catholicism, which comes from The Romans, who were enemies of The Hebrews!
Had also problems when I was a kid. I was surprised that people didn't see there were contradictions. However those contradictions need to be there for symbolism. Another aspect they keep the childrens bible to adulthood. So selcetive never reading an entire chapter the way it is meant to be.
At a recent atheist convention they did a poll of ex-Christians asking why they become atheist. The most common response was "I read the Bible in its entirety."
@sepulvedablvd7846 Deuteronomy 13 : 6 - 11 is pretty shocking too. It says you should kill your own family members if they entice you to worship other gods. It even describes the proper way that killing should be done.
@@Trip_Fontaine True, this is why Bible study in church is so superficial, and your typical Christian literature bookstore only offers a lot of fluff. The guided tour of ths Bible offered in church is made to keep you in church. A bold and honest study of the Bible makes you leave the faith.
@DeepDrinks I love hearing you speak. All of the scriptures you mentioned are the ones that lead to my deconstruction along with this one ... “'The older will serve the younger.' Just as it is written: 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" (Romans 9:11-18)
Thanks Mate
to add: yeah Issac one time use birth right spell (no refund or exchanges) yet Esau is the true heir of Israel, stolen by a deceiving person, that I guess God didn't care who or by what means got the blessing spell- that Issac had command of...
clearly God is laughing while watching that story unfold (though he hasn't got omniscience in early OT yet)
What did Esau do? 'he dispised his blessing from the Lord, and traded it for a bowl of red meat.'
Jacob on the other hand said 'give it to me' Jacob saw the long term benefit of honouring God.
Genesis 25:30
@@joandark2 He traded it for a bowl of stew. The Bible states that God loved Jacob and hated Esau before they were even born. God predestined and willed all of it. Also, God blessed Jacob for deceiving his father into giving him Esau's blessing.
@@aldontheelf4267 That's a wicked thing to say, 'God does not show partiality, but accepts men from every race that love Him and obey His voice.'
It doesn't say anywhere that God hated Esau 'before He was born'
“Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you will be separated;
one people will be stronger than the other,
and the older will serve the younger.”
Genesis 25.
My name is Bob, I am 79 years old and been a deacon for over 35 years. I can only say WOW! This is tremendous. I surmise we are both from a Pentecostal back ground and I also studied Preterism. Currently I am studing all of the old origins ... Mesopotamian, Babylonian, Sumerian and everything else I can feed on. You two are so right in your conclusions. I was kicked out of the church I was part of ... not going there. So I find myself treasure hunting. Lost my wife 4 years ago and she was seeing this but could not leave her belief in Jesus. Not saying I don't believe in The man Christ Jesus yet I do not believe the Bible is infalable. Said all that to say this. You are doing a tremendous service for people like myself and bringing many answers that people refuse to talk about. Thank you, Thank you.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
If you're proved wrong in the end (sure it will happen) and you realize the truth and you don't get a chance to be saved then.... . There is no savior in hell. It's your eternity and don't let your emotions and thinking of your limited mind make you foolish decision.
@@user-yh1co3gc4h I have had both Heaven and Hell experiences I can go on for a long time so here is the short form.
Hell: I was taken there and saw one skeleton in the left and many skeletons on the right facing this one skeleton, they were there for idolatry and fornication, and the background can only be described aa destruction. 2ndly I saw a girl on earth on the same bed as a guy and she kissed him on the cheek (implying a unlawful sexual relationship), the girl died and went to hell and fire consumed her entire bod but there was some skin left over , I remember thinking “at least she has some skin drooping from her face” and then more fire came and consumed her skin
Heaven: I was taken on an helicopter ride and I was observing building and I was saying wow, wow on repeat. Another time I was near a big building and there was a radio singing worship songs to Jesus (it sounded so good). Once the Holy Spirit told me “do you want me to take you to Heaven” I answered “No” then He said “Just know we are preparing a banquet” Jesus is awesome, do not miss out om being with Him forever.
I was born and raised a mainline Protestant...became an Evangelical at the age of 29...stuck with it for 26 years...I remember all the excuses, all the twists and turns and tapdancing used to get around the clear and obvious contradictions, errors, and plot holes...I believed them not because they were truly sensible but because I really wanted to believe them. I think that is the power of living in a bubble, being embedded in a community one does not want to lose.
Until I finally decided to step outside the bubble and look at my own religion with the same critical eye I would use on any other religion, I just could not see the problems clearly.
Understandable. But it's not like popular secularism is immune from such problems as well. It just has less of them. The big thing for secularists is they all feel that truth is important and continuance of the species is important. But there's no reason those can't just be arbitrary preferences. And if they are arbitrary preferences, then there's no reason to be upset about someone spreading lies and fairy tales and lowering our future chances for collective survival other than you'd prefer they not do so. But there's really nothing set in stone saying one whacko's opinion is inherently less important than the opinion of hundreds of thousands of reasonable men. No law of nature declaring it. It's not like conservation of energy.
@@theboombody " they all feel that "... Really? 'they' are all the same? Not even Christians, Jews or Muslims can agree on one doctrine for their respective faiths, not even that they are fundamentally variations of the same thing. How can you justifiably state that "they all" anything? Unless of course that's what you have been told, and you either have not, or can not think beyond that.
@@theboombody Any "-ism" will have gaps and will have faulty people following it. That is a trigger to examine things, but it is not the examination itself.
Since one must start from an axiom somewhere, I think "survival is better than not-survival" is a fair place to start. I don't think you'll find any coherent set of beliefs that starts from "the goal is to not survive." So I'll start from there...of course one can "but why" anything, but only for the purpose of being contrary.
From there, it follows that truth is better than falsehood, since truth improves not only the chances of survival but the quality of it, for a host of reasons. From there, it follows that one should defend truth and oppose attempts to replace it with falsehoods.
Personally, I have no problem with people who want to believe anything they like, so long as they don't then use those beliefs to harm others. However, I also think that if someone wants to put their beliefs out in public, they should be prepared for those beliefs to be challenged. If they don't want their beliefs challenged, they should not put them into the public space.
I never was a believer. I didn't find Jesus bad and with anthropology I allow it. Just like Buddhism used as a philosophy not a religion. The torah might be good however but that needs so much knowledge of initiation due the demystification to make it bit good. The chosen people are israelites or the intiated. Israel is the trinity of the Torah. Yet some people believe the chosen people are chosen by a literal skydaddy.
@@hueym2196 Perhaps. I eventually came to the conclusion that a philosophy that needs so much re-interpreting and editing and deleting probably isn't worth having. There are better ones that don't require all those gyrations.
The main reason I left Christianity is because I discovered it didn't comport with reality
YES!
How does Christianity NOT comport with reality?
I've been a Christain for over thirty years and I have yet to see how it does NOT comport with reality.
Perhaps you were never a true born again Christain that actually has a relationship with God to see that Christianity does in fact comport with reality.
@@danielblair4413 we are still waiting for your savory savior, he's been late by two millenia :)
@@heatwave7595 says: *we are still waiting for your savory savior, he's been late by two millenia :)*
Have you seen how the world is lately?
It's matching exactly how the bible said it would be when the end times are to come.
We are in the end times and the rapture of the Church will very likely happen within this year or next year due to the events in the world clearly leading to it.
@danielblair4413 I think I've been alive for too long. every year I hear this. "See what's happening in the world? the end is near!" wouldn't it have been more likely in 1939 than today?
I'm so glad to find your channel. Thank you for sharing your story. I am struggling. Your words and book suggestions have helped.
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
David, I feel you! Derek you too. This video reminds me and is analogous to Mark Smith’s book “Broken Promises”. I think Mark was a pastor or church leader and saw all the eschatology discrepancies and outlined them in more than an orderly and detailed way in his book. It is very evident to me that both you guys are adhering to Jesus’s main law of loving others!
I do believe that is “The Way”
Good luck to you both!
Joel
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents, unbelief etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
As a teenage girl, caught up in the "Born again" Christian movement (early '70s), everything regarding women in the Bible was cruel and unjust. That's what turned me off, and I went the complete opposite direction, Feminism and atheism.
So you went from one PsyOp to another one :O
congrats on choosing freedom and human rights over authoritarianism
@@ring-tone278thanks for the threats. Fear is the foundation of Christianity. Next layer is guilt you sinner. You better figure out what version of scripture is correct or your gonna burn baby. Dont even listen to my first born the jews cause i tricked them to. What a mess we got ourselves into lol. I dont need no preaching. I studied my way clear of Christian dogma when I studied the OT in Hebrew/Aramaic. Which destroys Christianity by the way if your honest and can shake your indoctrination.
The Intervarsity Press Bible Commentary points that Matthew chapter one highlights the fact that three of Jesus's ancestors were unconventional, assertive women who didn't fit in with "polite" society.
@@eponaalbion There's a problem with women having rights?
As a child I could not reconcile the millions of years that dinosaurs ruled the earth with the creation fable. I knew that an ark could not possibly contain all the animals of the world. Why would any God kill all the innocent people and animals with a flood. More and more contradictions and brutality in the Bible made me realize at a young age that it was a book of myths an historical fiction book.
Is strange that Early Church Fathers who lived in the 5th century did not believe that the Genesis events were literal but more symbolic but some people today...
Certain esoteric schools teach that Genesis is chock full of secret truths, and the "stories" of the 7 days, an ark, Adam and Eve are all symbolic of much, much older things. Same schools also say the Biblical Jesus didn't exist, although he was based on someone who did.
Hello, I respectfully disagree with your comment about the flood.
It is possible for animals to fit in the Ark, keep in mind that the number of animals of today didn't exist back then but their ancestors. Also, if you remove the aquatic animals from the list; the number gets smaller. God makes it clear that it needs to be 1 male and 1 female.
Lastly, I encourage you to read Genesis 6 where it explains that humanity was causing violence and all kinds of sins.
Because of these reasons is why God killed them all. God saw their hearts was made of evil and stone. The only way to get rid of evil is either with love or death. Death was the optoon after God expressed love to them and they refused it.
If you disagree with God and His 2 choices, how would you handle the situation?
@@neftalibahamundi7270 But some must of the animals where in 7 pairs while orthes just in 1 pair
@@gilgamesh7652
Thank you for replying.
Gen 6 explains that God commanded Noah to take 2 (male and female) of every different kind of animal.
Gen 7 explains that after a period of time, God planned ahead and commanded Noah to take seven of every different kind of clean and unclean animals, male and female, for sacrificial purposes. Adding a bit more in the ark.
If you like to know what are the clean and unclean animals; you can read Lev 11.
2nd or 3rd video I have watched of your channel and I'm going to subscribe now because the way you articulated his opinions he was telling you back to him was so perfect. You showed how good of a listener you are and you literally soaked up every bit of information he gave you. Great video.
Professing Christian here 🙋🏾♀️. I’m glad this came thru my suggestions because oddly enough I hardly ever see these on my feed. In my personal opinion these arguments as reasons to deconstruct are not strong. But they are very good questions to ask. In all my years of being a serious Christian I have learned that every question I’ve ever heard has an answer. Regarding the first topic of “generations” I just googled that and found an answer. I didn’t even bother with the others because again, I’ve heard so many good questions with even better answers that I usually don’t bother to look them up anymore as things that I’ve had serious questions about have answers. Just as the two gentleman feel Christians have to do mental gymnastics to answer questions, I felt like they had to do the same - while being insulting and condescending. But that’s ok - I get it. Understanding Christianity is like math. There are some really simple concepts that everyone can understand like 2+2 = 4, yet you have some people arguing, no it really doesn’t equal 2. And then you have deep concepts like Trigonometry which you really have to dig into and seek answers and understanding. Plenty of people would say Trig doesn’t make sense to them. But just because they don’t understand it doesn’t make it untrue. By the way - these gentlemen should have just started with the resurrection. That’s impossible for most people to understand and just ends the argument. But if we as humans can understand everything God says and does, is he really God?? Appreciate the video gentleman.
I agree with your comment it's a weak argument about 'this generation' and requires an arbitrary atheistic interpretation that ignores the rest of the Bible. You only have to read a few old commentaries on these verses in Matt 24:34 and Matt 16:28 to realise that one explains the other, it's modernist society and weak biblical knowledge that is the problem not the scriptures themselves. They also rely on atheistic principles for the textual and higher criticism that they insist upon that's the real one two knockout punch. Accept their atheistic principles then let them lead you to their logical conclusion even though in an atheistic worldview they have no way to account for logic or math that's why define themselves by what they don't believe.
@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 100% agree with you. It’s really unfortunate that his pastors did not have better answers but this interview was really more of a conclusion on just how terrible Bible knowledge is amongst Christians (and I’m not great myself) vs a statement about Christianity itself.
@@exjwukmusicalescape9241 Yes, Its a very weak argument
I appreciate this comment. As a Christian myself, I do a lot of research and watch a ton of videos like the one above, especially videos regarding the battle between islam and Christianity. I have been asking God to guide me in the right direction, yet, no matter what, even though some of these videos make sense, there's always a voice inside of me telling me not to doubt for a second that my faith is on the right path. God created everything, the whole universe, NOTHING is impossible for Him. How arrogant of us as humans to think we can understand Him, understand how He works and thinks and creates. Time for us is not the same time for Him. We as Christians will have many backlashes coming our way, deception is everywhere and I do believe videos like this are some form of deception, with all due respect. We walk by faith, not by sight. "This generation" in my opinion, I do believe its more of a metaphor for what is to come. Speaking in the future tense. I don't believe it was meant for that generation more than years ago. The Bible isn't meant to be understood on a literal basis. I'd rather believe and be wrong than reject Christ and be wrong. I have nothing to lose when I believe and accept Him as the truth and my savior.
@@sunelmusic3343 you have nothing to lose...except of course if an entirely different god turns out to be the real one...and by following the Bible and the characters thereof you rejected the real true god...oops...
The nail in the coffin for me was when I realized that the very foundation of the prophetic idea of a messiah figure coming to restore the Davidic throne, and the belief Jesus had in his own apocalyptic role in that, was based on Daniel, which is a forgery. It became clear to me that even Jesus expected that the judgement, end of the age, new kingdom, restored throne of David, was all going to happen imminently.
In Matthew 19 he says his 12 disciples will be made governors over the 12 tribes. That’s hugely problematic considering one of them was Judas Iscariot. It lets us know even Jesus expected a different outcome. And the church later ret-conned the entire idea to be spiritual, and pushed the big physical fulfillments out to some indeterminate point in the distant future.
Bottom line, my inevitable conclusion was this: If I went back in a Time Machine, I probably wouldn’t see a supernatural rabbi healing lepers and walking on water. And if I brought the guy the Jesus character was based on back to the 20th century, I think he’d look at all our churches, seminaries, songs, mountains of theology and practical Christian living books, and our culture wars, and he’d say “holy sht! You people have made a huge mistake. I did not intend for any of this to happen.”
In the gospel of Judas, Jesus laughs at the disciples and says to them that none of them will see that messianic age, they got quite upset about it and "turned their heart against him", apparently it didn't fit their world view. I'm more inclined to believe the Islamic account which says that Judas went to the cross but i don't trust their reasoning as to why.
Wrong, Judas was replaced by Matthias just as the tribe of Daniel was replaced by splitting the Tribe of Joseph into two.
Jesus said Daniel was a prophet from the day that Daniel says he was from. The claim that it from the second century is a forgery!
9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.
12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
The Abomination of Desolation
(Mark 13:14-23; Luke 21:20-24)
15 So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination of desolation,’a described by the prophet Daniel (let the reader understand),
The Gospel of Matthew chapter 24.
So simple, basic critical thinking on the bible will reveal the contradictions, the archeological and historical inaccuracies, and the logical fallacies.
Unfortunately, it really is not simple. Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true. How can you reconcile that?
The Bible is the history book of the group we can't mention on YT...You know, that protected class.
@@kevinaviles30you are walking really confidently into a fallacy lol.
@@kevinaviles30 Childhood Indoctrination. Social pressures. Lack of information. Next question.
@@kevinaviles30 Great minds all throughout history and currently have come to the conclusion that Christianity is NOT true. How can you reconcile that?
I also deconstructed my faith a few years ago after 35 years of being a very serious Christian. I can relate to everything in this video. Thank you.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 All claim. Zero evidence. "Trust me, bro."
@@marcomoreno6748 Demons come out in the name of Jesus therefore Jesus is God
WHO GETS ALL THE ATTENTION?
Evil is against good, which religion or God is attacked the most? Whose Name gets taken in Vain?
Rev 1:18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.
I’m going through this myself.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363, what god is good? The one who allows a child to starve to death every minute worldwide or die slowly and painfully from cancer? What for? To control population growth? Hm, does he love everyone? Did he love that child to the extent that let them die painfully from hunger or disease? Wouldn't there be more love and mercy in an instant death from a hurricane or car crash or heart attack or any other sudden cause? But no, the "loving father" opts to let the child die slowly and in pain... Bullshit. There is either no god or he cares about us just about as much as we care about the bugs and antes crawling under our feet...🤬
2:25 in my waking up process from JW’s, I was amazed with stories of former members who were at Bethel or elders... Grateful they came out to share their stories. It helped me a lot in the early stage
Listening to you and David speaking, as an ex-fundie myself, I am starting to think there is a connection or correlation between the level of intensity or seriousness one experiences the faith and the likelihood that they will end up researching themselves into deconstruction. The believers we would have called 'lukewarm' are actually the clever ones, playing it safe. Why torture yourself on the path of deconstruction unless you are starting from a point of wanting, needing and dying to know God in the most literal way possible; rather than letting yourself merely be convinced of the fact a priori?
That's interesting. I think you make a really good point, I just wish it hadn't taken me so long to figure out it wasn't true. I was a super hardcore fundamentalist Christian, went to to Bible college, got my Theology degree, was a music leader, singer, preacher, etc. but kept just enough of an open mind to see inconsistencies in what people said they believed, things in the Bible that just couldn't make sense, etc.
@@danieldelanoche2015 Wow. You are not alone, friend. And kudos for not doing what tens of thousands of others in your position end up choosing because of the sunk cost fallacy. I can only imagine the harrowing journey you've undertaken and I hope you have found ways to continue to fill your life with light and love and use, grow and redirect all that experience into something new and fulfilling. That's been my challenge of late, moving on from realizing I wasn't put on the Earth just to glorify the Palestinian/Canaanite Highlander Wargod and being okay with living in a community full of people that do. Audiobooks are a great distraction. So is making music.
I agree integrity demands honesty and faith isn’t about being honest.
The secret awaits eyes unclouded by ambition
That is a good point. I was a lukewarm christian so to speak, as I saw the bible as a guidebook NOT as the literal word of God. Or at least not the verison the we have today as it had gone through. I guess that is why it took me 18 years for my faith to fade away into non-belief.
David is extremely well-argued, and quite clear in his thinking. Great to hear such clarity!
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
I was at burning man a few weeks ago. There was alot of people holding signs walking down the street that said, "non- judgment day is coming"
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363. Hey man
@@Rory-co4vm Hi Roy how are you?
Jesus loves you more than you will know
GOD BAD OR GOOD?
I received a physical healing miracle if God were evil that wouldn’t happen. When you eat and drink id it painful or pleasurable? What about when you use the toilet to remove waste? What about when you burp, yawn, sneeze? When a dad tells his son right from wrong is the dad bad or good?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 everything you’ve just explained is better explained by evolution and our natural biology. The reason why certain things are pleasurable is that if we partake in them it is more likely we will reproduce and send on our genes.
There are more verses that you did not mention, that really convinced me that there is no one coming to save, I realized that all I was doing was for nothing. It was the worst day of my life, knowing that I had so much hope on something that did not exist.
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
I love that example of Dave walking on the plane. He sounded like so many Christians I’ve heard speak when he said “not only does this prove that David did walk to America, but he actually did teach us science as well.”
All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 that doesn’t make sense
@@aidenhastings6341 Hopefully this clears things up as this is extremely important
WAGES OF SIN IS DEATH
Adam and Eve (the first created beings) were supposed to live forever but they sinned against God and died because of their sin. Now due to sin we have a cycle of suffering and death. There are 2 deaths, the first death everyone knows but the 2nd death is a perpetual state of wasting away (hell). Only Jesus (Sinless Perfect God) can give you life, for He is life itself (John 14:6). God is just so all sin will be punished but Jesus took that punishment for us (sacrifice). Love Him back by repenting of your sins and believing in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour/
Romans 6. [23] For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363Ooooh, I remember when I was this religious 😂. Good luck to you, sir. Truly.
@@JaysonT1 Jesus is calling you back, the world is dark and you won't be able to cope without Him
Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want. WE KNOW GOD AND ARE KNOWN BY HIM
Thank you! It's NOT about "being an extreme personality"... It's really about being SERIOUS in your conviction. If you're NOT serious, then you can easily float along with vague cognitive dissonance. Only when you are WILLING to take it to its final CONCLUSION, the truth of it will reveal itself.
you summed it up perfectly. Almost every christian I know is ...y'know, "Christian". They also are the same people who say that Christianity is harmless. Well uh, I guess it is if you don't know much about what you claim to believe, lol.
@@aprilmeowmeow That "warm, fuzzy, churchy feeling" that NUTHIN can compete with.
Cause JC is da GOAT!
@@aprilmeowmeowChristianity is supposed to be harmless in a way
I tried my best to be a born-again Christian, I really did, but the answers kept bringing on more questions. My break from organized religion didn't happen overnight, and I don't exactly remember a specific point when it happened, but it occurred to me that to be a Christian, you had to follow Paul; for any given sermon, the reading would most likely be from an epistle, rather than the gospel. Paul mentions in 1 Corinthians 1:17 that he was there to preach the gospel, yet the epistles are full of his opinions (interpretations, perhaps). Romans 1:32 is a good example, and rather disturbing. This is the same God who loves everyone? Sure, everyone who thinks the same way, and does the same things. It's almost like getting mugged: do what God tells you, and nobody gets hurt. I'm glad I came to my senses...
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 You just proved my point. Thank you for that.
@@3rdand105 God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363we’d be closer to heaven on earth if there was no religions
@@Dovahkiin0117 Nah humans are wicked and need rules, whenthere are no rules thebiggest crimes are common sorules hold people back and turn you to Jrsus
A lot of people say they left Christianity and were never in Christianity in the first place, and have no idea how to go about being a part of it. I repented, was baptized by immersion in water, according to Acts 2:38, and was filled with the Holy Ghost speaking in unknown tongue. I received the knowledge that Jesus Christ was God Almighty in the flesh the only supreme God there is or ever will be.
I'm so glad you mentioned the destruction of the temple, Derek! If the gospels were being written today about a guy born in 1980, his end-times prophecy would have said something like 'the two steel dragons of the eagle-headed beast will burn down the two highest temples of world trade; then you will know the Son of Man is coming.'
Rebuilding the temple as a task of the Messiah was post 70CE. At Jesus time . He was a military leader who would rid Judea of the hated Romans. Jesus ended up like all the other Messianic wannabes. His followers were so traumatised, they reinvented the very nature and mission of the Messiah rather than go home and keep a low profile. It s like Maga they can't accept they were wrong so they will hold on and make eternal excuses for the cult figure.
Jesus is the twin towers, the two cherubim of the ark of the covenant. 666 is a swastika, the altar of incense. The menorah is the eiffel tower. The table of shewbread is the lincoln memorial. The 7 churches is the 7 heads of europe. Spain, france, england, germany, italy, austria, and russia.
Obviously a prophecy written after the event
@@emilywyatt9340 You like all atheists and evolutionists-alike will of course force yourselves to believe as you choose and want to believe, even though you know you are wrong. There is no possible way first century (and somewhat into the second) AD Christians would have willingly lost jobs, family members, gone to prison, been beaten, been persecuted, been tortured and killed (again, willingly) had they not completely known Jesus was the son of God. But they had that bravery, that courage, that boldness, because they knew Jesus was Gods son, they had seen him resurrected and had seen him performing many miracles. They had Gods holy spirit and that helped them move along, whether in pain or not. No way no how they would have willingly suffered such pain and misery had they not known Jesus was Gods son. This was not only in Judea but in many districts of the Roman empire. You can, and people as you have, made some attempts to compare some of modern examples of mass religious delusion with first century Christians, but no honest, reasonable and smart person will agree with you: there is no comparing the two. It is too obvious first century Christians had come to know Jesus as Gods son.
@@thomaslynas721 You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on UA-cam on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some UA-cam channel.
Excellent presentation. As far as the old cultural laws/Levitical Law, the popular excuse that conservative/evangelical Christians use for quoting the scriptures regarding homosexuality, but ignoring all the dietary laws, the laws about stoning people to death, wearing different types of fabrics together, rituals involving a woman's menstrual cycle, or even only eating or touching a flying insect if its legs are "jointed" (yep, that's in there)....is that only the "moral" laws are still in effect, and so they are no longer bound by any of the others....EXCEPT that any rabbinical scholar will tell you, that's NOT a Jewish thing. Christians came up with that concept so that they could pick and choose which of those old cultural laws were useful to them, and which weren't.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I am in agreement as far as Christ, whose teachings and mandates I try to follow. Christ was/is perfect, because He is part of the Triune God. BUT I believe God has manifested in other Faiths, and that is why I try to be respectful of them (and to people who aren't religious as well). I believe that anyone who is without sin absolutely has the right to judge others. Funny, I've yet to run across anybody that fits those qualifications. "For all have sinned, and fall short of the Glory of God".
@@granvillesimmons6033 Jesus is exclusive John 14: 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. “; right here Jesus called every religion a lie He is the truth. Believe what you want but the fact of the matter is humans are sinners in need of the saviour. Jesus did not only die on the Cross, but He also rose again from the dead. This is huge and you ought to listen to Him today.
I am not a judge who sends you to prison, God's prison is hell so get right with Him today
Nice to see a fellow Aussie on your show... and he's from Queensland's Sunshine Coast; a beautiful part of the world.
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
I am going through a faith crisis currently, and have been for almost a year now. I have a BA in preaching and an M.Div. But my journey, while certainly taking me out of evangelicalism, is actually moving me towards historic Christianity, either Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy.
What made me leave is sometimes called "rampant interpretive pluralism." Basically, everyone interprets the Bible differently and there's no stopping it. It's absolutley out of control in the Protestant world (a recent estimation is 38,000 denominations worldwide in 2010), but in the other two branches there still exists an unbroken line of apostolic succession through bishops. *They* have the authority to interpret Scripture and guard Tradition. In both of those branches there is legitimate authority to interpret Scripture and a solid connection to church history. I may be leaving evangelical Christianity, but I would actually say becoming Catholic or Orthodox makes me even more Christian! Lol
Additionally, I have been hit hard by objections like these many times, but this is precisely why interpreting the Bible so literally every single time isn't the way. It's not something the Church has ever done until recently in church history (idk about Catholicism but EO doesn't actually have any official eschatological position besides the 2nd Coming). It places too much stock in man's ability to understand divine revelation (Proverbs 3:5), which comes from a source of unsearchable and infinite wisdom (Romans 11:33-36; 2 Peter 3:15-16). Not even Jesus' disciples understood what He was saying most of the time, but one thing they did understand was that He had the words of life (John 6:68). 2,000 years later, the Church which Christ built through them is not only still here, but it's among the world's major religions with billions of followers around the world. That's a powerful argument that there really is something True even amongst everything that's unclear.
Personally, what keeps me in my faith is my past and present experiences of God. There is no way for me to list everything He has done for me here, but I will say that I have no reason for living if He doesn't have a plan for me. God has given me so much; who else would treat me better or give me more if I left Him? This world is so broken; there's so much pain and evil, if God doesn't exist then why stay in this awful, awful place and live a miserable life?
Many years ago, I listened to Derek when we were both still Christians. Then, I stopped listening as I started moving away from Christianity. Now, here I am, listening to Derek again, today, neither of us Christians.
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did u go small a atheist, or Large A atheist? or did u just assume God is not a mosaicist and there by God was not inside the Body of Jesus during the Crossing?
a Muslim believes there was a Prophet named Jesus, but God being an Almighty would not put ITself into pain and suffering of a Crossed Body.
i am just curious God does not mind atheists, it IS the large A Atheists that Bee duh problem // Ms are harmless unless they r rich with too much time on their hands = idle = wasted away with out a normal rt to access luxury cell phones are Ok now for many non tech M sects, but war pushes Tech upon the sheep that hate to use the latest toys // Thank you for your service
"The Lord moves in mysterious ways." 😂
I wonder if you both are willing to have a conversation with Sam Shamoun @SHAMOUNIAN.
@@PRAEDICATORVERITATIS it's impossible to counter logic and critical thinking if you're a right fighter for something that has never been proven to exist.
ANYONE who would enter a debate with only claims and feelings as their defence will get eaten alive, but being a right fighter, will learn exactly nothing 🤟
6:53 “I was too Heavenly minded to be any Earthly-good.” -That was a mic drop 🤯💯👏🏾
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Really nicely moderated, Derek. Excellent talk - best I've seen so far.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Glad you enjoyed it :)
@@DeepDrinks You have value in God's eyes
A Dad and his son were fishing and having a great time. The Dad told the son to never jump in these waters as there are deadly creatures lurking below including many crocodiles. The son didn’t take his Dads instruction seriously because he couldn’t see anything on the surface.
Because the weather was hot and the son wanted to cool off he jumped in the waters. The Dad quickly jumped in to save his child by throwing him back into the boat. However the dad was killed by some crocodiles in the process. Jesus is the Dad you are the child
"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13) Repent and Believe in Jesus today.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 🤦♂
@@DeepDrinks Let me share something i think youve never heard before
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
I too was raised in a full gospel church and spent some time in the ministry. I now call myself agnostic. I find your story extremely interesting. I also find Bart Ehrman just as interesting. Some of the things I had trouble with as a Christian were the virgin birth (I can only imagine how many girls found themselves pregnant and claimed to be impregnated by the holy spirit), the resurrection of Christ, the two creation stories for man, and the whole timeline regarding the age of the earth (science says the earth was created 4.5 billion years ago). Also there are so many ancient religions that existed long before the time of Christ which are so similar to the Christian faith it makes the Christian faith seem like a huge "hodgepodge" of these other ancient faiths. These are just a few of the things that bothered me about Christianity.
God created Adam who was a grown man yet only 1 day old on the seventh day so he had “built in” age. So isn’t it possible for God to create the earth with “built in” age and “human science” dating it to millions or billions of years..
@@Gear_Banger good reasoning
Even the doctors can do IVF now!
No girl that I've ever heard of claimed a virgin birth!
Anyway, even doctors can do IVF nowadays
Thanks for having the courage to speak on this topic.
Thank you ☺
Reading the Bible cover to cover is probably the number one way to turn a Christian into an non-Christian.
What about the Quran?
If you don't know much about Islam, briefly,
Muslims believe that whether you follow Moses, Jesus, Mohamed, Abraham, Noah, David, Jacob or any of the Prophets/Messengers sent to humankind in all times by God/Allah/Hashem is the same.
However the Quran stated that after the Torah was corrupted (Change of the original) by deceivers to suit their benefits and then expired, then God/Allah/Hashem sent Jesus with the Gospel, then God/Allah/Hashem sent after all Muhammad with the Quran.
Chapter 5 Versus 68: "Say, O people of the Book (Torah and Gospel), you are not on anything until you establish the Torah and the Gospel."
And this didn't happen just with the last three Prophets. But since Adem, every time God/Allah/Hashem sent a prophet to a nation, he would send another after the previous message was corrupted and falsely changed.
Funny thing, I was starting to become a devoted Christian until the pastor insisted I read the 'word of God' insisting that if we didn't we would suffer eternally. Something about that statement struck a chord w me, because I don't like be 'fear mongered' into things. I started reading it out of spite, only to realize that I had I read it sooner, I would have never joined the church first place. He was better off letting me live in my naivety.
@@miked6652 Quran is speaking the truth though. The bible scriptures aren't original. The man is right. The bible from cover to cover makes you leave Christianity because it contradicts with the teachings of the church. Jesus isn't a God and he didn't come to create Christianity. He came with a renewal movement to the Jews. To Judaism. There is no such a thing as Christianity. The Gospels and new testament are all for Judaism renewal. It all wasn't for a religion called Christianity and Jesus himself never claimed godhood. No trinity. All of that aren't in the gospels and all of that don't make sense. No church can explain the trinity well. Reading the bible makes the person leave Christianity because there is no such a thing as Christianity. It is just a renewal movement to Judaism. The Dead sea scrolls also prove the Quran true about the Torah being corrupted. Isaiah is 18% shorter than in the original Torah, so some stuff are added or retracted and that is basically corruption in the text. Also, the writing of the Dead Sea scrolls support the Hebrew bible which shows that the greek old testament has mistakes and faults. So, both are corrupted and the Quran is correct on this one, but that requires someone who researches, not a liar like yourself.
So, how do you believe in it???
I am a moslem & just curious.
@@cozakokotano6448Sorry, but people flying around on horses is no more believable than people rising from the dead.
I was raised surrounded by the concept of inerrancy and sola scriptura, and it likewise drove me beyond agnosticism into disbelief and even scorn. When I was courting my now wife, we would often talk past each other about our spirituality (or lack thereof). Her sense of God confused me. Out of a desire to know her more deeply, I went to RCIA led by a Jesuit priest. I’m pretty sure I got served a more liberal version of Catholic doctrine, but there were a number of profound moments that shook my core Protestant axioms to the bone. I realized that I never stopped believing in the idea that there is a fundamental creative love that set the universe in motion, but I stopped believing the specifics - and I became dogmatic about my disbelief in those specifics. Opening my mind up to the idea that the Bible was never meant to be read as literal history (and the Catholic position in this point should be considered salient since the Catholics wrote, compiled, edited, and translated it) set me on a path to a deeper relationship with God than I had ever experienced. I still really enjoy watching videos that are skeptical of religion and God, but I’ve become so much more comfortable in the discomfort of not fully understanding every little piece of dogma or theology. Protestants always tout that a personal relationship with God and Jesus is the value proposition of their approach. Paradoxically, it wasn’t until I stepped out of the box of Sola Scriptura that I was able to open those pathways to finding peace with the mystery.
If the apostles doubted they would have denied christ as they all were Martyered and christ still hadn't returned. This would have caused severe doubt especially considering Christians were tortured and hunted like animals at that time, don't you think?
The standard excuse I remember for Mark 13, Matthew 24, and Luke 21 is that "All these things" didn't mean everything in that sermon, but just some things. There is no way to make that make sense, but it was the standard answer I always got.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Great video! The more I ACTUALLY learn about the Bible, the more sick I get to my stomach. How did I have so much cognitive dissonance about this book. Yikes!
What is it that turned you off? The Torah is demystified myhtology and makes of how not to live. The Gospel is initiated and uninitiated material.
SAME!
you believed what you were told -it’s indoctrination, sadly.
@@hueym2196 That just sounds like words.
It's fear of Hell that keeps people believing in traditional Christianity. It takes an incredible amount of courage and confidence to start to doubt your beliefs when you have been told your whole life that you will be tortured indescribably for eternity if you doubt your beliefs. It's no coincidence that Christianity is the biggest religion in the world and also the only major religion that tells its followers they will be punished eternally if they doubt the religion is true. Even Muslims believe that people of other religions can achieve salvation, as long as they believe in some sort of God and are moral.
Derek should show off more. I had no idea you were so versed in book, chapter, and verse!
The video was sincerely delivered and I appreciate it.
Derek did I ever tell you how smart you are! No kidding, I think you are absolutely fantastic and I appreciate all that you bring to mythvision. You can carry on any conversation with scholars intelligently.
I just still feel bad about you and robert price but still think your wonderful. I also love Neil!
"As usual", this was a truly awesome presentation !!
Best regards !!!
Thank you😊
Great video as usual bro and I had an issue with the verse saying none of you will taste death until these things come to past… I don’t think none of those people are alive today
On this one it's pretty obvious that Jesus is talking about the Generation that witness all of the signs He is describing (of the end of the age before the coming of the Kingdom of God) that's how to interpret the saying in its context
Jesus is talking about the future believers who will see His return on the Spot...
I haven't watched this yet, but as a former youth pastor, now atheist, I'm interested to see what if any correlations there will be.
Hope you enjoy
Great debate and solid view points. I grew up an atheist until I was 29. Hated religion and particularly the Old Testament but over time I found more answers in Jesus as to the explanation and purpose of life.
There is no reconciliation to be made in God's nature. God's love and God's wrath exist in the context of one another. As surely as a mountain's peak cannot exist without the valley deep, so God's love cannot exist without His wrath.
If you believe in a God that made the universe and laws of science then He can essentially do as He wishes. We decide how we react, I tend to focus on his Loving side and the greatest gift He gave us I Jesus. Each to his own but great hearing everyone’s view.
I wonder if religion was just used to enforce "laws" they didn't want you to be able to break even in the social sphere without severe repercussion or be able to question them so things would never change?
I can't speak for other religions but I can with Christianity.
I apologize if a "Christian" created a bad view on the rest of us. We believe people should ask all kinds of questions because questions leads to knowledge and wisdom; which is what God wants for us all.
Sadly, some put religion over God. Christianity is supposed to be a relationship with God not a religion about God.
Well, that's certainly the point of the Hindu caste system. So, there's some merit to it.
@@neftalibahamundi7270No. Christianity was always propaganda, mythology and politics. From the beginning to the end.
@@TheMahayanist
Hello, I respectfully disagree.
Christianity is the complete opposite of those things and if you want to know how that can be, I encourage you to read the bible.
• Propaganda requires misleading people. We don't stand for that because that's against our views and morals (1Jn4;1).
•A myth requires to have evidence that is all made up. Can you please be the 1st to show it's not real to me? Just because the bible can sound crazy sometimes, doesn't mean it's made up.
Just because some people used religion for evil purposes in history, doesn't mean religion in general is evil; including in politics.
@@neftalibahamundi7270look, I've read the Bible and studied under multiple Biblical scholars. I don't need you to talk down to me about "reading the Bible"
Paul explicitly said that lying is completely allowed as long as it's for the cause of Christ.
The evidence that it's all made up has been known by scholars for decades. Hector Avalos in his book, the End of Biblical Studies summarizes the current consensus.
I didn't say religion is evil, I said Christianity is evil.
Thank you Derek and David. This kind of reasonable and articulate discussion is so critical. It's critical for those wrestling with their faith, or lack of it. It's critical for those whose previously held beliefs are crumbling, in whole or in part. It's critical for those who are looking for an intellectually sound place to land when their world views, previously held, no longer serve them. Thanks again.
Thank you ☺
What is strange so is the fact that the gospels were written long after Jesus died and compiled into the New Testament. Did they not notice these problems? Or did they have a different attitude towards it that these contradictions didn’t matter to them because they tried to preserve them for other reasons.
I can relate so much to what David has said. I too, decided to read the Bible from cover to cover and not just the few scriptures here and there being preached on Sunday. And I did not realize it at the time, what was going to happen and what was happening to me. It started with the creation story of Adam and Eve in Genesis. First it said that god created Adam and Eve, male and female in god's likeness. Then the very next chapter it said that Adam was lonely and that god put him to sleep, then created Eve from his rib for him to have a helpmeet. So, were they created at the same time or was Adam created first and then Eve? Then that led to my first, hmmm? I thought the Bible held the inspired and inherent word of god? This led the way to more and more inconsistencies and contradictions. Like who was the naked man in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was praying for god to let this cup pass from him before the roman guards came to get him? Why was the man naked? Why was he with Jesus? Then the stories of Jonah and the whale, talking snake, poor Job, Lot and his daughters, Abraham about to sacrifice his only son, the burning bush, the talking donkey and on and on. But when it comes to morality and how to live a good life, I cannot see the Bible having any moral authority. It advocates for slavery, rape, murdering of babies, women, children, genocide, bigotry, racism, and misogynies.
But what really did it, is that I have a friend that has a child with special needs. They said it was demon that had caused this medical state, that if we were to bring them to the church, they would anoint them with oils, and pray that the demon is cast out that has a hold on a young child no more than 2-3 years old. That child had cerebral palsy and autism. These are the dangers of religion and the church, that believes a young child has been possessed. It was the beginning of the end for me. Once that ball got rolling downhill, there was no way to stop it but follow it to its logical conclusion. I am an ex-believer. It has been 24 years since I left the church and NO ONE could get me to ever go back.
There are two creation stories because there were two creations. Genesis 2 is not just a repeat of Genesis 1. God created humans in the sixth day (time period) He created the garden and Adam and Eve at the beginning of the seventh day (time period) They were created within an already existing creation.
There is no evening and morning stated for the seventh day (time period). That is because we are currently in it.
There were other people outside the garden. It is where Cain got his wife from. They are the people he thought might try to kill him. They help him build his city and also occupied it. The scripture that says the sons of God took wives from the daughters of men is speaking about what Cain and others from Adam and Eve did. Took wives from the people outside the garden.
Lamech tells his two wives that he killed a young man and that if anyone comes at him, Cain would have been avenged 7 times but he would be avenged 70 times 7.
Why did he tell his wives this? Because they came from the same people who were outside the garden and he wanted them to relay the message. Lamech was using something they already knew about Cain to scare them.
I left xtianity because I got tired of worrying about hell, the tribulation and not being holy enough. None of it has any bearing on every day life.
Christianity, live the lie.
Yeah, never being good enough, always being the problem, not hearing and seeking God enough… it’s to much.
@@freespirit-111I hope you're free from religion, and have learned to love yourself. You are good enough. We were lied to.
@@aprilmeowmeow I’m in a much better place. Thank you for your kind words.
God is the epitome of Holiness because He is sinlessly perfect, A sinner (liar, sexually immoral, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, thief etc) cannot be in the presence of God or else he will be utterly consumed therefore repent of your sins and put your faith in Jesus as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
I was born and raised as a Jehovahs Witness. I completely understand what you are saying
Not born but raised for 9 years #cult
Took me 40plus years to escape the Candy Coated Blood Guilt Cult
@theunclejesusshow8260 took me 45 years as an Pioneer, Ms and Elder
@exjwjaynedoh1241I am CanadianExjw. Love your content
@exjwjaynedoh1241 i hear you on that one but you tell them and they acuse you of apostate,they just don't get it.
I gave up on Christianity long ago,,i was raised Catholic didnt practice much,,,,but there was no way history or a religion was going to blame me for the world we live in now which can be pretty horrible at times ! Any abrahamic religion is out of the question for me because they are misogynistic! Thank you DAVID !
Catholics? those who never read the Bible?.. what a surprise
Excellent interview. Thank you both.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
0:00: 📺 The video discusses the interpretation of the Bible and the frustration of the speaker with certain Christian beliefs.
5:07: 🙏 The speaker shares their experiences running prayer groups and helping the homeless in their town.
10:16: 🔍 The speaker discusses how certain aspects of Christianity, such as the Bible's inerrancy and morality, can be questioned and deconstructed.
14:59: 📖 The video discusses the prophecies and warnings given in the Bible.
20:07: 🔮 Jesus warns about deception, wars, and persecution as signs of his coming and the end of the age.
24:34: ⚠ Jesus warns of the impending Desolation and advises people to flee to the mountains.
29:34: 🤔 The speaker questions why people interpret certain aspects of Christianity differently and suggests that theological reasons play a role in these interpretations.
34:41: 🤔 The video discusses the problem with understanding the New Testament and how people make excuses to get Jesus and the early Church off the hook.
39:47: 💡 Early Christian groups had differing beliefs about the nature of God, Jesus, and Paul's visionary experiences.
45:15: 📚 The speaker researched homosexuality in the Bible to help someone reconcile their faith with their personal identity.
49:30: 💔 The speaker shares their experience of trying to change people's minds with evidence but encountering resistance and dishonesty.
54:09: 👩🏫 The video discusses the interpretation of a Bible verse about women in the early churches.
59:32: 💔 The video discusses a disturbing passage in the Bible that condones violence against women and treats them as property.
Recap by Tammy AI
Great to see an Aussie on the podcast. We need more skilled scoffers like David in this part of the world.
All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.
I’m stealing “Skilled Scoffers”. 😂
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I think you might have replied to the wrong comment in accident, my friend.
@@DannyWJaco Everyone’s got struggles of some kind, whether it be financial, health related or sinful addictions that you know is bad but can’t stop it. Ask for Jesus to intervene and help. God will help you overcome, thus giving you a personal encounter, and proving He exists to you. I have received a physical healing mir-acle; Jesus is waiting for you to humble yourself and ask (ask because God listens).
@@MidwestFella854 You are important to God
Jesus/God interacts with us through the Holy Spirit. I’ve seen Jesus (big blessing), Angels, the demonic. I’ve had a miracle, seen Heaven (You want to go there), hell (You do not want to go there). Please listen for the time is short, I can share details if you want.
"Professsing themselves to be wise they become as fools" you can't outsmart God. You have tasted of the goodness of God. Please reconsider brothers 🙏
People do not lose their faith, they just change it to whatever they are rationally comfortable with.
I was a devout Christian for most of my life. I cannot express the freedom of leaving that theology behind. Jesus was not the problem, and helped me to transition.
I was raised Catholic and always hated Jesus. In fact, Christianity always felt completely hostile to by my very being and so I never had any of the feeling of loss so many do when losing their faith.
I think it's true that Jesus wouldn't recognize modern Christianity at all. Some modern dogma is very anti-Jesus.
@@Nocturnalux I agree about Christianity, and I've learned more about it since leaving the faith. I always felt that the theology and dogma attributed things to Jesus that suited their theologians. I don't worship Jesus or think he's God in the religious sense, but I never hated him. I think of him as Yeshua or Christ and find his teachings helpful. Apocryphal and gnostic sources provide more info than the canons allow.
@@scardini67611 The apocryphal sources often have an even worse Jesus, dude straight up murders a kid when he was one as well!
Jesus likes to be cryptic. People ask him questions and he plays dumb, then goes all pissy when they don’t understand him, how are they expected to?
Then he goes on about how people must love him above everyone else, yeah, NO. Hard no, pass.
I find much more useful teachings in the Greeks- limited as many of their views are- than anything Jesus ever said. And I’m going by the character in the texts, no point considering any historical person as we have no access to them.
What freedom did you gain from leaving Christianity?
I'm certainly no Christian but just for arguments sake, why does everyone insist on taking a single word that a translator chose as the gospel truth when there are other definitions for that same word that fit just as well? The same word used for "generation" in Matt 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 is also translated in other verses in the NT as "nation", "age" or "time". Looking back at the passages in context, the disciples essentially asked him 3 separate questions. When will these thing be? What will be the sign of your coming? And of the end of the age? He answers each of the 3 questions but the verse where he states "this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place" is clearly answering the end of the age question and, based on the way the word is translated in other passages in the NT, could easily have been translated as "this age will by no means pass away till all these things take place". So he's not necessarily saying it will happen within that generation. He could easily have been indicating that all the things he spoke of will happen before the end of the age...whenever that happens to be. His very next statement is that "Heaven and earth will pass away" so my guess would be that he's saying that all these things would come to pass around the end of the age sometime close to when the new heavens and new earth appear but no man knows when that is.
To be honest: the majority of practicing Christians don't bother with what is written; they participate in ritual, listen to priests and live their lives. They even necessarily consider the god/not god thing. They just don't think about it. Only few folk who get off on details, reading and study get off on this stuff. They are a small minority
Remember that Jesus supposedly said that some of them will not see death...
@@NeoGeoFitnessit could be implying a spiritual death, the verses prior are talking about saving their soul, not necessarily a literal death
"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul/life.
You inspired me to do my own podcast: MeatFishAndPodcast.
As a Muslim I believe in Jesus have a clear understanding of
" COMING BACK" was Roman's action on Jerusalem... we should keep in mind that statement of Jesus was transferred and translated in hundreds of years and original text is not available. However spiritual acceptance required faith on God that clears the understanding what the coming back of Jesus means. My mind is clear on my beliefs on Jesus and God and the question of the COMING BACK.
Wait... "not one stone left upon another" but, believers travel to Israel to pray at a wall allegedly a wall of the ancient temple? 😮 as Homer Simpson would say... DOH!
lol
awesome, thanks for sharing. these were the exact things I kept tying to reconcile as a christian and never could. its good to hear others talk about these issues.
All sin must be punished that’s how judgement works, a Judge judges you on the bad you do and since everyone has sinned (lied, stolen, sexual immorality, dishonoured parents, had hatred towards other people etc). All humans need to repent and believe in Jesus (God) to go to Heaven or spend eternity paying for your sins in hell.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363🙄🙄🙄
@@MeganVictoriaKearns Look ill share something personal. I’ve personally seen Jesus (Not worthy), Heaven and Hell. Hell is worse than what you think (I was shaking after that experience), and Heaven is better than what you think. I have also received a personal healing miracle, I can go into details if you want. This is how God works. If you give Him the benefit of the doubt, He gives you more and more. Would I spend even 2 minutes preaching if I had an ounce of doubt? (I’ve experienced way too much)
The doctrine of imminency is like moving parallel (not towards) a stage, and that at any moment the curtain could be drawn and the main attraction revealed.
One of the reasons which encoraged me to really understand the faith i held was one of my best friends had come out as a lesbian. I was a hard fast christian and the whole idea of her being sent to hell, which is what we were taught, i could not justify that. She was the sweetest and kindess person i knew and i could not justify that. I had some people saying i should find an lgbt friendly chruch while others telling me i was evil for accepting her. As someone who was not out as a trans person to anyone, having them tell me that catapulted me take an honest look at the bible and christian doctrin with why i believed this and how christian beliefs could be so different depending on the chruch. This was one of many reasons.
I recall, as a child, bring shocked by god killing all first born children of Egyptians although the kids hadn’t done anything to Moses. And by Job’s children not counting for anything in their own right.
God gave everyone a choice… God told EVERYONE Egyptians included that he would send the death angel. Those that obeyed did not lose their child. Look at it another way if a person decides to drink alcohol and become drunk and drives and they kill their child in a car wreck it is directly related to their decision to drive intoxicated. Bear in mind the Egyptians saw miracle after miracle, judgement after judgement… The last judgement was horrific but they were all forewarned and they refused to follow Gods directives. Every sin has a consequence and sadly death could be the result of our disobedience just like my drunk driver scenario. Hopefully if most of us saw the plagues that the Egyptians saw we would have repented and put the blood over the doorpost
I'm not sure if this would be comforting or not, but if it's true that God killed all those children (or any innocent people) to prove a point or release a judgement.. Then that same God promises a resurrection for those people to live again.
So if you believe he killed also believe he will give life.
56:10 I once listened through quite a well known/learned christian leader and academic preach here in Oz about the topic of women speaking/teaching/leading/etc. Afterwards I talked to him to ask more questions, because I was very convinced by then that all us Christians ignored Paul on this and had no justification to, and I disagreed with Paul. He agreed with me! He said there was no way that Paul meant anything else, and that Paul really did just think it was how women were by nature, based on Paul's own explanations. That was an eye opener.
Thanks for another very interesting conversation.
I wish more people would watch things like this rather than simply buy into what limited exposure they get on Sundays.
I have bad news. The bible is 100000000 times true.
Thank you ☺
The key point to understand is that the event referred to as the coming judgment on the clouds occurred in 70 AD. This period marks a significant transition in religious history, where Jesus introduced a new covenant based on faith rather than works. During this time, there was a convergence of the old and new covenants. The concept of God's rest transitioned from being centered in a physical temple to residing within the believers themselves. The verses in question specifically discuss God’s impending judgment on Jerusalem and the consequential destruction of the temple in 70 AD. This event signaled the definitive end of the old covenant and marked a judgment on Jerusalem. For those interested in further historical context, the writings of Josephus offer a fascinating glimpse into various signs and wonders recorded between AD 63 and 70.
It's intriguing to see a shelf lined with books in the background, hinting at a depth of knowledge and insight. However, mere education only sometimes guarantees an understanding of truth. Reflecting on your journey, the root issue lies not in a lack of salvation, as some may suggest, but rather in the absence of truth from the outset.
To suggest that you were "never saved" might not accurately capture the essence of your experience. Instead, it's more apt to assert that genuine salvation couldn't have taken root without the foundational truth. Hence, the feeling of drifting away isn't so much a falling from grace but a realization that you never possessed what you thought you had.
This realization unveils a sobering truth about many churches today: they often fail to impart the fundamental truths essential for genuine spiritual growth. It's not a matter of deliberate deceit but rather a lack of depth in teaching the foundational truths that underpin authentic faith.
Your journey serves as a poignant reminder of the importance of seeking and embracing truth. It's not merely about surface-level knowledge or religious rituals but rather about diving deep into the core truths that transform lives. As you continue your quest for truth, may it lead you to a deeper understanding and a more profound experience of genuine salvation.
As a young gay man, I got caught a few times. Straight men do not look you in the eye and smile at you in random situations, EXCEPT when they are "Cruising for Christ."
Got caught doing what?
I study the Bible as allegory and I cannot help but wonder if my approach would ultimately aid people that have been oppressed because of the ideas they represent in the allegories. Allegory is created by marrying masculine reality to feminine covers and this is known metaphorically as "truth". (In order to refer to real "truth" the idea must be repeated as in the Kybalion where it states that "...all truths are but half-truths.) This means that two men together represent a real form of truth which is the enemy of allegory based religion. Since women represent false ideas only, they have value only as covers for male realities, which then means that lesbians are viewed as having no value at all.
Furthermore, the name "Adam" literally means "to be red" and this can then be tied to the "red pill" of The Matrix movie and when Neo said to Trinity "I thought you were a guy" he meant that he had thought that the Christian god was real. Cypher also drops a clue when he says, while looking at the Matrix on his monitors, "You get used to it, I don't even see the code, All I see is blond, brunette, redhead".
In Plato's Cratylus there is a discussion about the "correctness of names" and how names can be "disguised" by altering spelling, syllables, or using different words with the same meaning. When it comes to "demons", Socrates says this: "And therefore I have the most entire conviction that he called them demons, because they were daemones (knowing or wise), and in our older Attic dialect the word itself occurs." This obviously puts Christ's casting out of demons in an entirely new context. Furthermore, the name "Judas" can be understood as being derived from the Hebrew word "yada" which means "to know" which can be viewed as identifying Judas as a Gnostic. In this context, all "sins" are metaphors for attempting to learn the true truth and this also helps to explain why Adam and Eve needed to cover their nakedness and hide after eating from the Tree of Knowledge.
So what do you think? Do you think that revelations such as this could eventually have a positive impact on people whose roots of oppression can be traced to this allegory? Once this allegory is sufficiently deciphered, I believe that it will prove beyond any reasonable doubt (at least to those not blinded by their beliefs) that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam are all deliberate frauds created by men that Plato identified as Sophists.
@@warrensmith8161 I'll bet you were a real interesting little kid.
Derek, a former Roman Catholic here. Also a former Mormon. Ever heard of Billy Carson? He wrote the Compenpdium of the Emerald Tablets. A Beginner's Guide. I also am gay, do read the King James Bible. Looked in my Strong's Concordance. In the Hebrew & Greek text, there is no word for homosexuality.
Billy has some interesting ideas. Neville Goddard also has some interesting ideas on interpreting scripture.
The teaching on UA-cam channel by Mike Mezzalongo, [I think that's how you spell it] He said he was raised a Catholic, went through Catholic school, and University and taught religious studies after qualifying.
He happened to buy a Bible to read on a long train journey, and was astonished, what he read in Scripture was nothing like what he'd been taught at school all his life and nothing like the Syllabus he'd been given to teach.
As a militant atheist, I had all the same concerns about these passages you mention (as well as concerns about many you don't). It's good to use your god given intellect to consider all aspects of ones faith. I am sad however that it has led you to losing it. Christianity should not be about religion, it should be about a relationship.
I hit a very dark place in life, I spent months praying "God, if you're there, I need to see it". He drove me to church and introduced me to Jesus.
I don't claim to believe the bible is not heavily influenced by man. I also know nothing could make me deny God is real and Jesus was sent by him. Without any condenscension meant, I will pray that God reaches you again. Do not harden your heart because man does not have the answers you seek.
I see the compassion and concern in you and that is the leadership needed among Christians. We need leaders who are not afraid to speak up and speak out about the harms that can be and are inflicted on individuals because of misplaced judgement within the church.
"As a militant atheist"
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Love this video!! Thank you for this work Mythvision!!
You guys are a bit funny. You choose to believe as you want, not as God wants. The Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, has been proven totally accurate both scientifically (archaeology, history, science and math) and figuratively or symbolically. God would not allow this system to go on as it is if he didn't have a set plan and time for HIS will to be done. He sent his only begotten son, Jesus Christ, not so that everyone on the planet may think and believe as they want, but that just as Israel was in unity, so would those who followed Jesus' teachings would also. Unity and organization is what God requires. God, guys, WILL have a "people for his name" (Acts 15:14-18) in the last days (Daniel 12:7-10; Isaiah 2:2-3 and more). While Gods people will without fail make mistakes (many in Gods word who are found in Gods favor now made some serious mistakes, too), God must and does have a people on this planet, unified in the same teachings world wide, of same mind and of same spirit, just as Israel was, and just as first century Christians were: Unity is required. You guys don't have that, and Gods word apposes that. You can not do this on UA-cam on your own, you must be a part of a worldwide unity of Gods people. It's a;; over the Bible, it can not be missed. By the way, when the angels told those standing by watching Jesus ascend to heaven "what are you looking at...the same way he will return" is clearly meant that only those close to Jesus would be expecting him when he is made king in heaven and sitting on Gods right hand side, which starts to be fulfilled in Revelation 12:7-12. There would be no trumpets on earth, not such ceremony. It would be a silent ceremony on Earth, but it would be monumental at the same time, as that passage in Revelation makes it clear and, that is why World War One started, because Satan was completely let loose on Earth and kicked out from heaven for good (before this casting from heaven Satan was able to leave and return from heaven and Earth as he [and the demons] chose). "The Great Tribulation" is without fail coming, just around. Gods word is almost fully fulfilled, few prophesies remain. Your choice. But God has a name and he requires his people to know it and to make it known, just as Jesus did, and in unity, per Gods word The Bible, not through some UA-cam channel.
It's talking about the brand new generation of Christians that was formed by the death of Jesus because we would not have a new testament without the resurrection of course it's been 2,000 years to us but to Jesus it's only been 2 + 1/4 days
The BIGGEST issues for me were the fact that Jesus fulfilled no prophecies, Christians mistranslated many OT verses to make up prophecies that weren't intended by the authors, and ascribe verses that have nothing to do with prophecy as being somehow tied to Jesus life.
What prophecies are you talking about?
@@soniq351 I was thinking the same thing
@@soniq351 Just search Rabbi Tovia Singer and he does a great job explaining the prophecies (or lack there of) concerning this "jesus" Isaiah 9 is a popular one for example
@@ericgumafelix612 Many Jews in Israel who also speak Hebrew are turning to Jesus and one of the reasons are the prophecies in the Tanahk/OT.
When JESUS play the cross. He already fulfilled prophecies. The problem is not JESUS it's humans and all they seven deadly sins they practice and the ten commandments they don't follow. Look at the world full of problem cause of people sins. Humans don't want to take responsibility for they actions that's all it ever been. You get it. The bible is talking about us. So of course people trying to curse GOD because y'all want to think it's JESUS that's wrong. Except the fact that humans are not following the law of GOD and Satan is devouring them. And change them to someone else.
"I was a really good Christian, because I judged everyone around me and required holiness before qualification."
The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363I guess I hate myself and I'm fine with that, Yahwe is just a different demon, so if the abrahamic religion is true you just choose between 2 different types of hell.
@@bluester7177 You have value despite what atheists want you to believe
God through the Holy Spirit has shown me several things relating to the afterlife with the purpose of convincing people like yourself. Stuff like Heaven and Hell, Angels, and evil Spirits the Lord Jesus (not worthy at all), a miracle happened to me that saved my life (thank you God) & so much more. I am more than happy to give further details.
I’m so glad the Bible was never anything to me but old literature, so I never had to “deconstruct”. Thank you mom and dad for not indoctrinating me as you were.
I was an atheist already, and an adult, when i read the Bible deeply and critically. (I actually went to Catholic school through 9th Grade). But if I was a believer today and read the Old Testament, i would have stopped at Ex 21 7-11, where fathers were allowed to sell daughters as concubines (therefore other Israelites were buying them as sex slaves...). That would have stopped my belief in a good deity on its tracks.
Now, it just fuels my search for more and more information and analysis.
But my understanding is that the God that created the universe is not the same god/s that created man or these laws and is not constrained by our concepts of good vs evil. We anthropomorphize God and give our concepts, our morality depending on the time.
@tibitzu365 well, then your understanding is not based on Bible/Torah studies. Which is fine. Because according to the Old Testament, the same god did it all.
Well ok yes, because God created everything and continues to do so. I could also say that God created the chair I made and it would be true. Elohim can refer to God, angels, judges or kings. Notice the difference between God in the 7 days of creation and then the Lord god after that. Now look at the creation myth of the Sumerian culture(specifically, the creation of man) from which Abraham came from and tell me that God looks like a human(does not). This is what the Gnostics were getting at but badly. Edit: If you're over 40, you would be better off studying Kabalah, Torah can be hard to understand unless you have some knowledge about what came before and even harder if you come from a background of roman cultural appropriation.@@bortiz11
The Genesis of the Torah is also a very condensed form of what had gone before, for example, it doesn't go into the creation of Adam and Lilith and how it came that Adam lost his first partner who had to be replaced.@@bortiz11
@@bortiz11 Thank you for showing yourself to be dishonest. Exodus 21 7-11 doesn't allow fathers to sell their daughters as concubines. You plainly lie
A few translations don't say "this generation" but the majority do
Matthew 24:34
(ABP+) Amen I say to you, In no way should [2pass away 1this generation] until whenever all these things should come to pass.
(AFV) Truly I say to you, this generation shall in no wise pass away until all these things have taken place.
(AMP) I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place.
(AMPC) Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.
(ASV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
(BBE) Truly I say to you, This generation will not come to an end till all these things are complete.
(Bishops) Ueryly I say vnto you: this generation shall not passe, tyll all these thynges be fulfylled.
(BSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened.
(Cepher) Amein I say unto you, This nation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(CEV) I can promise you that some of the people of this generation will still be alive when all this happens.
(CJB) Yes! I tell you that this people will certainly not pass away before all these things happen.
(CSB) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
(Darby) Verily I say to you, This generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.
(DRB) Amen I say to you that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.
(EHV) Amen I tell you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
(EMTV) Assuredly I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away till all these things are fulfilled.
(ERV) I assure you that all these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.
(ESV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(Geneva) Verely I say vnto you, this generation shal not passe, till all these things be done.
(GNB) Remember that all these things will happen before the people now living have all died.
(GW) “I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place.
(HCSB) I assure you: This generation will certainly not pass away until all these things take place.
(ISV) I tell you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen.
(JUB) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.
(KJV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(KJV-1611) Uerely I say vnto you, this generation shall not passe, till all these things be fulfilled.
(KJVA) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(KJV-BRG) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
(LEB) Truly I say to you that this generation will never pass away until all these things take place!
(LITV) Truly I say to you, In no way will this generation pass away until all these things have occurred.
(LSB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(LSV) Truly I say to you, this generation may not pass away until all these may come to pass.
(MKJV) Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass until all these things are fulfilled.
(MSG) Don't take this lightly. I'm not just saying this for some future generation, but for all of you. This age continues until all these things take place.
(Murdock) Verily I say to you, That this generation shall not pass away, till all these things shall be.
(NAS77) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(NAS95) "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(NASB) “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(NENT) Amen I say unto you, This race shall not pass away, till all these things come to pass.
(NET) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.
(NIrV) What I'm about to tell you is true. The people living at that time will certainly not pass away until all those things have happened.
(NIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
(NIV84) I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
(NKJV) Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.
(NLT) I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.
(NRSV) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
(NRSVA) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
(NRSV-CE) Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
(Remedy) I tell you the truth, this sinful race will not pass away until all these things happen.
(RSV) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
(RSVA) Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
(RV) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.
(TCENT) Truly I say to you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have taken place.
(TLB) Then at last this age will come to its close.
(TLV) Amen, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things happen.
(TNIV) Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
(TPT) I assure you, the end of this age will not come until all I have spoken comes to pass.
(TS2009) “Truly, I say to you, this generation shall by no means pass away until all this takes place.
(WEB) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
(WEBA) Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.
(Webster) Verily I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things shall be fulfilled.
(Weymouth) I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.
(Williams) I solemnly say to you, the present age will not pass away before all this takes place.
(YLT) Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.
After Israel becomes a nation 1948 . A generation can be : 20 , 40 ,70 , or 120 years........The truth is , we are reading fairy tales
Wow...that's a lot of translations!
Yeah, it's almost like some translators couldn't deal with that contradiction and decided to editorialise.
That was a great interview. Thanks to both of you.
I really appreciated this statement, "He didn't care about reality. He didn't care about the facts. He didn't care about the real world consequences of his barbaric belief system."
In my trajectory through and out of evangelical Christianity, I think that accurately describes 99% of the believers that I have met. The 1% really do care, but it's not enough leavening to the make the rest of the dough any better. It's sad, really.
All Humans need to repent & Believe in Jesus as their God. Why? Because all Humans have sinned (lied, lusted sexually, stolen, dishonoured parents etc). Avoid the fires of Hell (justice of God) and choose Heaven today. Jesus defeated death by rising from the dead. GOD IS HOLY
Thanks :)
Your God seems cruel. @@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363
@@DeepDrinks @DeepDrinks Jesus is not just good but very good for He is God
GOD BAD OR GOOD?
I received a physical healing miracle if God were evil that wouldn’t happen. When you eat and drink id it painful or pleasurable? What about when you use the toilet to remove waste? What about when you burp, yawn, sneeze? When a dad tells his son right from wrong si the dad bad or good?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363yadda yadda, blah blah blah... you don't know anything you're saying is true. You can't back one word of it with any evidence. You believe the words in a book because the book says the words within it are true. A 7 year-old can spot the circular logic in that.
Stop cherry picking verses. If you own the ones you just typed above, please also write with the same confidence about your support of slavery, oppressing women and forcing r@pe victims to marry their attackers, among other abhorrent beliefs. Quote the Bible? Fine. But own the parts that don't get much recognition from Christians trying to "save" the sinners.
If one could read it and understand it completely, they would walk away from it. It has led to destroying so many lives and civilizations.
“The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.”
The bible is full of errors and contradictions, read it all and stop the cherrypick
Love your channel. I found you about 4 years ago when I was going way back to my teen years (I am a septuagenarian) when I had this weird thing happen to me at &Calvary Chapel by Lonnie Frisbee.
Since that time in circa 1969. I have been studying mind control and religion.
I wanted to know if anyone else had experience at Calvary and now we’re criticizing.
Your channel popped up
Anyway
Love love love your journey and your channels progress
Lonnie Frisbee was a false prophet. I am sure and certain that tried or did abuse you. Don’t fault the church but attribute his sin to him and him alone
@@lordssideministries4062 I took an altar call and when Lonnie blessed me I literally flew back and was stunned for awhile.
What did he do to you?
Every cult /religion /organization says that the beautiful world is coming very soon. It's just around the corner. This is what comforts people. If the authors of the New Testament were telling the truth: that nothing would happen for at least another two thousand years, they probably wouldn't have had so many followers.
I like the interpretation that the generation hasn't died because Jesus just gave a random person in that crowd immortality.
Whenever the clergyman were ask about the contradictions in the Bible, all they could say was....just believe.
The more one studies the Bible in depth, the more one can realize that it is not Divinely written but reflects the mores and religious customs of a Bronze and Iron Age superstitious tribe surrounded by far more powerful civilizations. It promised to shield them from harm while convincing the tribe that they were specially chosen and protected. The Romans demonstrated that they were not. Instead of blaming their god for his failure to protect them, they settled on some fault of the people to explain his obvious indifference to their plight. Christianity offered a reinterpretation of the Old Testiment which allowed for people to follow a new god while still preserving some aspects of the old god. However, the new religion was still reflective of those times which have been morally challenged two thousand years later as society evolved.
Sounds like you have bE3n *S4VED* by YOURSELF!!! Congratulations *conscious* beinG.
@@shapelessshapefromthebay8759 Thank you my friend!
The Assyrians also had a huge impact on Judaism just a few hundred years before the Romans arrived, causing massive shifts in the core beliefs of the Jewish culture. Zoroastrianism, the religion of those Assyrians, laid the foundations for the doctrines that Christianity claims as its own.
Very well put!
It depends on what is divine. From the Suemrian poems of Inanna divine means 'acting justly'. After her path of enlightenment she can create heaven by living divine. But the majority of people need a sentient skydaddy rather want to remain without courage and self riliance.
A thousand years is as a day to the Lord. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow to fulfill His promises as you count slowness. But He's not willing that any should perish.
Ah yes, but how do you get around "this generation"
Who created Hell?
I’ve listened to a couple of your interviews now… though my journey of questioning led me deeper into the faith, hearing these stories is helping me better understand how I can come alongside and minister to folks who are not blindly following another person’s faith but are wrestling to make it their own. It really reinforces my conviction that a little bit of friction is a good thing…
People often say, “I’m not hurting anyone so it’s ok to sin (lying, stealing, sexual sins, disrespecting parents etc)” The same God who said to love your neighbour first said to love Him to the best of your ability. If you carry on sinning, then you do not love God but are selfish like the devil so you will be joined to your father in hell or repent of your sins and believe in Jesus as God so Jesus adopts you as His child and you will join Him in Heaven forever.
Good for you! How would you respond to the arguments and verses brought up in this interview?
@@EdytaBruckmann Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
@mythvision , my understanding always took me to "the generation that sees THE BEGINNING of these apocalyptic things *will not pass before it all being fulfilled*", THEN the end will come...EG: WW2 holocaust survivors' GENERATION will see birth pangs>end of days.
The tough thing about this is, it appears as if the whole world is in "lockstep" with tribulation, for the first time, although it's looked that way to countrymen under fire relatively for...ever...
Perhaps but it also looks like the tribulation with which the world and even the biosphere are in lockstep is about to come up snake eyes.
@@edwardmiessner6502 William Cooper used to speak on this as a self-fulfilling prophecy by the elite to wield full control over man. "There is a cabal both seemingly wrote a prophecy to fulfill it, and gain dominance over the psyche as any animal in its kingdom"
I left the church (after 13 years) because I couldn't fully conform to what they were preaching and I later left. They often say that the bible has all the answers, etc, then years later I had this revelation. Is it better to have questions that will never be answered or answers that can never be questioned? Most Christians never look into history of the creation of the bible and are often not aware of other books that weren't selected for the bible as well as the organization that decided on the books and the reason why it was put together and who gave the authority and why, etc. The book of Thomas (one of the twelve) is one great example of how different his scriptures were (because it was only recently discovered) and never portrayed Jesus the same way as the first four new testament books. Thomas is often preached as 'The Doubter' as and example of someone who struggles to believe in what he was being told and he is not a good example of a christian yet most preachers expect their followers to accept their answers on face value as truth.
Many churches miss the point of the scriptures
John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Jesus's birth
Micah 5
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Matthew 2:5 (KJV)
And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
Jesus's suffering
Psalm 22
I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns
Jesus arriving In Jerusalem
Zechariah 9:9 (KJV)
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Matthew 21:5 (KJV)
21:5Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
John 12:14-15 (KJV)
12:14And Jesus, when he had found a young ass, sat thereon; as it is written,15Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.
Psalm 22
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns
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Psalm 118:22 (KJV)
The stone [which] the builders refused is become the head [stone] of the corner.
Matthew 21:42 (KJV)
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Psalm 34:20 (KJV)
He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken.
John 19:36 (KJV)
For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Judas:
Psalm 41:9 (KJV)
Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up [his] heel against me.
Psalm 55
12 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13 But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14 We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company
Zec 11
12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.
13 ¶ And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD
Matthew 26:
14 ¶ Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests,
15 And said unto them, What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver.
16 And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him
Crucifixion
Psalm 22:18 (KJV)
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Luke 23:34 (KJV)
Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Psalm 22:16 (KJV)
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psalm 22:1 (KJV)
[[To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.]] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
Mark 15:34 (KJV)
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Matthew 26:54 (KJV)
But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Matthew 26:56 (KJV)
But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Mark 14:49 (KJV)
I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.
Luke 24:27 (KJV)
And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luke 24:32 (KJV)
And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Luke 24:45 (KJV)
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
John 5:39 (KJV)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
John 5
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words
Acts 2
29 ¶ Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 ¶ For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 ¶ Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ
Acts 18:28 (KJV)
For he mightily convinced the Jews, [and that] publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Acts 28:23 (KJV)
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.
Romans 1:2 (KJV)
(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Romans 16:26 (KJV)
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 15:3 (KJV)
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 (KJV)
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Matthew 2:23 (KJV)
And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.
Matthew 5:17 (KJV)
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 11:13 (KJV)
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Mark 1:2 (KJV)
As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luke 1:70 (KJV)
As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
Luke 10:24 (KJV)
For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
Luke 16:31 (KJV)
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luke 18:31 (KJV)
Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
Luke 24:25 (KJV)
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:44 (KJV)
And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
John 1:45 (KJV)
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Acts 3:18 (KJV)
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
Acts 3:21 (KJV)
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Acts 3:24 (KJV)
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
Acts 13:27 (KJV)
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled [them] in condemning [him].
Acts 26:22 (KJV)
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That is genius. …answers that can never be questioned.
This is what the church does. Commonly known as indoctrination. Force feeding.