Hahahahahaha!!!! GOOD! I've never been an LG fan, and I couldn't care LESS about their TVs. I prefer any of the other big brands, whether it's TCL, Hisense, Samsung, or even Soyny. 😄
They're killing it in all segments & price ranges. LG & Samsung tv's are trash at the entry level and mid tier. It's here where Hisense and TCL dominate. They've also taken over the large screen segment.
On one side you have companies who do all the innovating but also overcharge and then the otherside is a bunch of IP stealing slave labor using companies who do not innovate but charge prices closer to what they should. Pick your poison.
@AX5Terminator imagine when more automaton is implemented but by then everything will be so cheap, nobody would own anything and be happy about. Just subscription fee
I am a Sony guy, and Panasonic before that. I just bought my first TCL QM7 75 inch and I am very impressed so far. Gaming on this thing is incredible! Best $900 I ever spent.
I've had a 55" TCL R615 since 2018 that I still absolutely love. I got a 65" QM8 last year and it's been a phenomenal TV! I got it over the C2 because I work from home and I watch too many channels that have tickers/banners/logos. And the room where the QM8 is, gets stupid bright. So the TCL was the safer option for me
naaa, 3 scenarios, most likely the Chinese will give in to our demands, they will drop their prices even more or manufacturing will go out of china to Vietnam or US.
Which the purpose is to actually bring more jobs back state side while also being used as a plea bargaining deal! Just look at Trudo literally folding in front of Trump like that Beta he's always has been!😂😂😂
I bought a Hisense 65" U8N, and it's been fantastic. This is coming from an LG OLED. The black level is very close to OLED, but gets oh so much brighter. Using the set just for movie/video playback. Using the OLED for gaming as the response time is much faster. The release of microLED is growing in need as OLED is close to maxing out on tech.
Deciding between the LG B4 77 and Hisense U8N 75. Only concern is the viewing angle bc my living room is a good size so not everyone will have a direct view. Is the Hisense angle THAT much worse?
@vrgrz123 sir B4 has no brightness, its good in a light controlled room for SDR content, but a poor HDR TV. OLED has superior viewing angles though...
@@TheKwod Yall thinking HDR is all about brightness only just make me laugh… you guys who say this have zero understanding of what HDR really is. The proof is in your ignorant comments, with no factual basis to your claims. “No brightness”… what a moronic statement as well. Like what world are you living in lol. The b4 beats many LCD’s, obviously not all, but many, in brightness. It’s like we forget what is actually going on, and what luminance measurements actually mean in terms of RWC. OLED beats almost all LCDs in pure objective PQ and contrast modulation. You don’t need 1000 nits full field to have an enjoyable viewing experience. Anyone watching serious content in a light filled room, is moronic. I also can’t wait for all these eye issues about to be popping up. You’ll see what I mean, in due time. “Poor HDR TV….” Tell that to the colorists out there mastering on LG OLEDs. Like me, they’ll sculf at that ludicrously.
@@ye-rochawkins5432 Brightness is part and parcel of HDR, of course the 100% brightness on a B4 is only 145nits vs 500-800 on "cheaper" mini led. OLED also have to contend with aggressive ABL, especially on larger sizes. Me, id avoid the lower end OLEDs, especially when DV is heading towards 4000/10000nits. If someone wants to buy a 55/65in B4 mainly for SDR content, that would be okay unless the room was very bright. You're just one of these weird OLED snobs who stupidly thinks OLEDS have no issues and acts like the low end OLEDs are as good as a QD OLED.
@vrgrz123 OLEDs will always beat LCD on viewing angle. That being said, I find the viewing angle on the U8N definitely acceptable, unless you are on extreme angle.
I think this speaks to the age old phenomenon of: "Most people will take a much cheaper product, for 70-80% of the performance". For most TV buyers, the loss of contrast and accuracy doesn't matter when they can swap these for a massive panel which offers cinema-like immersiveness. And that's at a comparable - or even cheaper price. We might be display nerds, but we also have to acknowledge that sometimes our big dumb lizard brains are easily impressed by big, heavy-hitting things rather than fine details.
The thing is SONY LG do not even have the best tech to start with . Especially SONY . They drain 😮consumer $Billions over d years when they did NOT Have best TV since early 2000s. Our Business professor in Canada 🇨🇦 where Rtings at . Spent 2 hrs telling ppl that SONY’s 90%!revenue r Entry / mid range from ppl in low/ mid income family . Since they do NOT have highest technology, they will PAY 💰 more to USE Compitition patterns (Sharp / Samsung / LG …. ) to up their Flagship prestige , n 2-3X price of mid range - Entry 😮customers who r struggling with 😮finance ! Because it is --- MUCH Cheaper to produce 200000 of same TV even sell at half price off flagship ! Than producing 8000 units of flagship (u can not charge flagship 10X price ! So they yearly lose money 💰 from producing flagship ) flagship-- made by Other brands Pattern that SONY doesn’t have 😮 is called UP Sell truck in Sales / Marketing . N still cheaper than casting Tv commercials . Their goal is how to juice 🧃 As MUCH money 💰 on low budget consumers as they can to make the money back from Flagship n pay for the Coat of Pattern they borrow from competition making flagship . N in 3 yr , ppl want upgrade ,,, they r pulled by d urge from Futurr Flagship ! Rinse n repeat ! 😮 Hisense / TCL has high Integrity n Hornor ! Since they HAVE high end tech Patterns Already. They don’t need to do SONY convoluted Marketing . They just pump high performance TV . They actually produce Flagship so MUCH so cut d cost down. It’s not its -- cheap! That -- Business lecture 2 hrs reallly crush my spine . It hurt !
It's not that. Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which is the main reason their products are cheaper.
What makes you think they are over charging? The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc.... Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs....... How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
@@AleX-techlabThe Chinese are doing what LG and Samsung themselves did in the late 2000s until 2015, they sold complete TVs that were much cheaper than the Japanese ones, why do you think Samsung surpassed Sony?
The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc.... Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs....... How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
No, I don't think LG will survive.. They have blown so many opportunities. They're already out of the phone game as far as producing phones.. And they just dropped their Blu-ray division. They are going downhill fast
@derekwebster8442 It seriously is It is already done everything it could do to survive. It sold itself out to ads they're trying their best to keep up with technology and they really can't I mean TCL is taking over whether they like it or not
@@movie_av_impulse My and many many others as well. But yea Good luck. Can't say I've ever had a problem with LG. In fact it only keeps getting better and they last years so I have no need to buy every year 2 or 3+
The way things are moving today, and the problems in India with iPhone production having defects, hair and even feces embedded in them. The world may skip India and move straight to South America or Africa. The Chinese are investing massively in the continents and expanding BRICS/BRI, but without the IMF’s debt trap. Meanwhile they’re investing and betting heavily into automation and AI at home to maintain their manufacturing leadership.
I still think LG should include MLA on the C series. I agree that immersion is a real thing but at what size does the screen become too big to fit in ones room?
Exactly. MLA with slightly worse processing than the G series. Just have the G series be the better designed, better built and better warranteed product.
LG is not a huge company. They certainly have less overall to spend on RnD. I think both Samsung and LGs days at the top of the TV heap will be over. The Chinese brands like TCL, Hisense, Xiaomi etc....are doing to them now what they did to the Japanese brands 15 plus years ago.
Which is why they've had a literally monopoly on OLED do to the fact they had nothing else. Their LCD tvs are practically useless especially when compared to TCL and Hisense! I was predicting this would of eventually happen to the Korean brands. Also both TCL and Hisense is going to producing inkjet printed OLED tvs . Once that happens it's game over for both Samsung and LG OLEDs?
@@ShotgunSandwichENT The 77 has a different panel- It doesn't have the uniformity issue - all 83 OLEDTVs use the same panel going back years and they all have this problem - LG calls it the moire effect and won't fix it under warranty which is compete BS - the panel just sucks
What makes you think people are getting ripped off? The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc.... Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs....... How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
Still rocking a 77 inch C1 and couldn’t be happier. Haven’t seen anything yet that’s blown my socks off to replace it with. Gonna be a sad day when it gives out. Honestly I’ll probably try to find a used one to buy.
Don’t ever let anyone take the joy you’ve experienced with your OLED away. They’ll try and do that, believe me. If you’re like me, and know what you like, and enjoy what you got with a LG OLED, just keep rolling. Even with QD-OLED and the benefits it has, and some disadvantages, I still see little reason til that tech matures. I personally don’t trust Samsung as far as I can throw a stick. No tv is perfect anyways… NONE! I also have found no real reason to upgrade from my C2. I am a freaking display geek too. I live this shit. I know what’s out there, and what they’re capable of. Tnh, I already have severe eye strain as it is, from what many laymen’s would call a “dim” tv. By no means is the C2 I have “dim”. When my eyes feel like they’re bleeding, even just watching SDR content at normal SDR luminance levels, I know more would not equate to better”. I know this for a fact…..considering I also own 2000nit QLEDs. It’s all I owned before OLED. IMO, flat out luminance is overrated and possibly not the best for our health. The luminance needs to make sense, if you get me…. I know the whole argument that our eyes see way higher luminance levels on a daily basis…. But it’s also not artificially generated light, SPD/ waveforms, that use additive color to produce color. In my mind, those two aren’t the same, and there is a difference between a tv producing light artificially, and real sunlight and color. Also, it’s not advised to go out and look at the sun, which we often do when inspecting our specular highlights. When is that going to become actually dangerous lol? Who knows I guess 🤷
The peak market for OLED was during the transition to 4K which plasma tv couldn't do and at that time LCD was mediocre. Now LCD has improved greatly with QD and mini LED technology, and it continues to improve but it's already more than good enough for most buyers. With 85+ inch size becoming the new must have feature it makes the market for OLED limited to tech enthusiasts which never works out in the long run.
That may be true for enthusiasts, but the majority of people simply want bigger and cheaper TVs. They dont care about blooming, color accuracy or vertical banding. If the picture is big and can hold a couple hundred nits of brightness, its more than good enough.
@@Cenkolinogranted, but some of the large TCL and Hisense have advanced blacklights with huge usable brightness at reasonable cost. I don't recommend cheap and nasty edge lit or direct lit turds in the HDR era. Direct lit FALD and mini led ftw.
TCL and Hisense are just simply giving people more TV for less money! They are outperforming much more expensive sets from the big 3, and processing is getting better also. Only a matter of time before the big 3 will have to come in at a better price to compete.
@AndrewB23 even at the smaller sizes, they are way cheaper for 90% of the performance of the big 3, many times outperforming them. It's good to have competition.
@@johnlegg6661 Dont drink the payed influencers Kool Aid. The TCL and Hisense TVs made major leaps in quality but they are still clearly inferior products. The buildquality on Hisense and TCL TVs is a joke and their rate of failure is very high. No matter how many dimming zones they put into their TVs, they cant manage the backlight control algorithm and never will.
The problem with a lot of consumer electronics is that they price themselves out of reach for most people. When you can get a much better looking tv at larger size for the same price people are going to pick the Hisense and TCL's. I don't really trust the Chinese brands reliability but I don't blame people for rolling the dice on them.
That and the CCP ties are always a concern. I might be over reacting, but the fact a government is closely tied to or in a lot of cases owns these companies rubs me the wrong way. All companies do data collection, but I'm always concened if the CCP is going to use it in a more nefarious way beyond just trying to sell me junk.
That and.. Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which are the main reasons their products are cheaper
@@AleX-techlab The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc.... Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs....... How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
@@AleX-techlab yeah but I just wanted to add a bit more nuance to the discussion, seems to be lacking a bit. There is also the amount of units you can make effects the unit price and predicted sales, like if you are making them in volume for a smaller profit margin or a small amount so you need to raise prices. There are so many things to consider when running a business.
you are very right, samsung should be more afraid, going down 13 points, and samsung source their LCD or LED Display from TCL CSOT, Next year samsung will be down 19 points.
This is the biggest issue for other brands in general: Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which is the main reason their products are cheaper. Tariffs on Chinese products is the way to go.
I love my Hisense U76 100inch tv I got during Black Friday! Blacks are close or in the ballpark of OLED, and this is just full-array not the mini-led version. The value of it is so good I feel like I stole something.
Purchased the Hisense 65" U8N. Is it as amazing as the TV's 2-3x as expensive? Yeah, it kind of is. I don't see any reason to buy anything expensive anymore when the base line is so good. It's nearly perfect. Only thing I'd upgrade for is if LG brings back passive 3D. That's worth a ton alone but I'm not holding my breath for manufacturers to get back into the world. But that's what I'd say they could do, bring back what was amazing, 4k passive 3D.
Thanks to Stop the FOMO and Brian's Tech therapy, Hisense and TCL shares went up. LOL Honorable mention to GettyGman because he bought two 100 inch Hisense. LOL
Yeah I'm not sure when people stopped by 20- 30 inch Tvs but not everyone wants a 55 inch tv in their bedroom. Some of us want a high quality, small tv. I _can_ fit a 50 inch tv in a bedroom but I'd rather have more space.
WOLED is dated . Hisense U8N / Sony Bravi9, TCL Qm851 all have ---- wait for this 3 X or more of color Densiry 🔮🔮🧿🧿🪲🪲🌹🌹🌺🌺 of G3 G4 🧩🧩🍡🍬🍉🍉 🌸🌸🥗🥗🏞️🏞️🏖️🏖️🏔️🏔️most Normal pics 99% images r not even black . The G3 G4 will be more of --2D but by brain 🧠 placebo seen as more 3D .
Poor Sony, oh how the mighty have fallen.....I would be surprised if Sony goes outta the TV business in the next 5 years because their share of the market is so tiny now...plus, their TVs cost too much and their quality and reliability of their TVs are very questionable now.
I don’t call them Poor. They drain 😮consumer $Billions over d years when they did NOT Have best TV since early 2000s. Our Business professor in Canada 🇨🇦 where Rtings at . Spent 2 hrs telling ppl that SONY’s 90%!revenue r Entry / mid range . Since they do NOT have highest technology, they will PAY 💰 more to USE Compitition patterns (Sharp / Samsung / LG …. ) to up their Flagship prestige , n 2-3X price of mid range - Entry 😮customers who r struggling with 😮finance ! Because it is --- MUCH Cheaper to produce 200000 of same TV even sell at half price off flagship ! Than producing 8000 units of flagship (u can not charge flagship 10X price ! So they yearly lose money 💰 from producing flagship ) flagship-- made by Other brands Pattern that SONY doesn’t have 😮 is called UP Sell truck in Sales / Marketing . N still cheaper than casting Tv commercials . Their goal is how to juice 🧃 As MUCH money 💰 on low budget consumers as they can to make the money back from Flagship n pay for the Coat of Pattern they borrow from competition making flagship . N in 3 yr , ppl want upgrade ,,, they r pulled by d urge from Futurr Flagship ! Rinse n repeat ! 😮 Hisense / TCL has high Integrity n Hornor ! That -- Business lecture 2 hrs reallly crush my spine . It hurt !
Not adding the MLA to their C-Series isn't helping LG. Dropping prices alone won't be enough. They need to add MLA to the C-Series to compete with QD-OLED at the midrange.
My LG CX has really good picture quality and I still love the way it looks (both picture and the TV set itself), but the top pixels have started dying (looks like blobs of dead pixels). I started researching this thing and I found out this is a widespread problem affecting all the lg oled tv's even newer ones C2's and C3's. Lg is quiet about this and most often the affected tv's are out of warranty and the costs of replacing the panel is absurd . Because of this when it came for a new tv, I avoided them and bought a TCL qm7. Picture quality is not as good but close enough (I would consider 90% of the oled quality) but the price difference is substantial. So I was put between choosing a expensive Lg oled which will probably fail again and a close enough tcl but at half the price with 5 year warranty. I chose to keep more money in my pocket. LE: The Lg is 3 years old
Same here bro. My CX is having blobs of black on top and bottom. Only matter of time it dies. Planning to go for hisense qled next for gaming, as mini LEDs are good enough.
LG got fat and sassy while they were dominating the oled market for almost a decade ... untill, Samsung slapped them a bit of sense with the S95B, that came with brighter, more colorful QD-oled panels. Sadly, as consumers, LG did not respond the way we expected or wanted. Now they are in trouble.
What's kinda not mentioned in all this OLED debates is the fact that W-OLED has a higher lifespan then QD-OLED by design. We're talking about roughly half the lifespan of QD-OLED (20 - 25k hours) compared to W-OLED (around 50k hours).
20,000 hours on my 65 inch Lg c1, 5 hours gaming a day and not a hint of burn in. Burn in might not be “eliminated” but boy it’s much better than my previous two plasma tvs.
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@@GoranTosev8989 I've owned my Panasonic plasma since Feb 2013 and have played many games, watched sports, news channels, and have lots of other static images on the screen over the years and luckily don't have any burn in issues either but that doesn't mean it is eliminated. For a UA-cam channel specializing in talking about TV tech, it is important to get the facts right. He specifically said the issue has been eliminated and that is utterly false.
Hopefully OLED won't go the way of plasma. How many years was the defunct Pioneer Kuro better than anything new? It reminds me of my 30 year old Gen 1 Lightning truck. Even at that age and 90K miles there is no new truck at any price that will run as trouble-free and is as easy to fix. It's a half million mile truck. What's new that won't have major failures before 200K? Progress.
Did I mess up by getting the LG G4? I don’t want an obsolete TV. The Bravia nine was about $1000 Canadian cheaper than it at the same 77 inch size range. But I wanted OLED. But it looks like they are going to way of plasma. I don’t even know anymore. This is depressing
Don't worry about it the G4 was voted King of TVs in the TV blind shootout this year! It will be plenty good for the next 10+ years or so. 😀Any owner of an OLED can be perfectly happy with their choice! There are much more positives than negatives compared to all other display types. OLED has the best viewing angles, picture sharpness/clarity, no blooming, bright, consistently high contrast, colours are some of the best you can get with QDs, pixel response times. Negatives are higher price, is more susceptible to burn-in, can't get as bright for the brightest highlights and scenes but those are pretty rare cases, for almost all scenes OLED will be brighter with more contrast. LCD positives are it's cheaper normally, it gets brighter but only for the brightest highlights and scenes which are rare, near black handling can be better but only on a Sony. Negatives are many.....slower pixel response times, worse game mode local dimming performance, worse viewing angles (can be very narrow), worse picture sharpness/clarity, blooming, hazy scenes sometimes...... OLED is clearly the best tech out there!
😂😂😂😂 bro I have a g1 that still beats mini led I wouldn't even bother upgrading for the next 7 years if it wasn't for the size if the g4 was cheaper I'd upgrade to it I still think mini led is 3 years away from matching oled in all areas
@@e4superfly let’s see I might have to do mini led next time. I feel sad everytime i see my g4 not because I hate it but because I might be one of the last OLED TVs
TCL has stepped their game up all the way up. In 2018 I purchased a TCL Model # 55US57 and that tv pure trash. I gave the television away purchased me a sony and told myself I would not buy another one. I paid in the neighborhood of 600 dollars for it. Fast forward to 2022 and I purchased another LG due to this channel, price, and me going in to look at one in the store on display. The model # 65R646 and this TV is really good it does upscalinng well. The motion has a little soap opera effect so I keep that on the low setting. Tured off that automatic dimming set from the factory and I'm good. I paid just over 600 for it.
2018 wasn't all bad for them. I bought their 55" R615 that released that year, and I still love that TV. Fast forward to last year, and I got a 65" QM8 and it's been a fantastic TV! Their motion handling and processing still needs to be better (I heard the 2024 QM8 is better, but I haven't done any research on it) but I knew that was an area they struggled in, and luckily for me it hasn't been that big of an issue with the QM8
@csi2448 that QM8 is on point and the price is right. My tv was made in February 2017i usually get a previous year release to get a better deal: also the tv i got in 2018 was a lower end model.
I gave TCL a chance with the qm851g but the processing, motion and color are trash compared to LG and Sony. I will continue to pay more for the premium brands until the cheapy brands catch up -- if they ever do.
Most people don't watch TV very far off angle. The market demands what it wants. In 5 years other than small screens monitors phones etc. Oled will go out like Plasma
@@M00n.P00p. ah yes it can, the 98" Samsung QN90D had much narrower viewing angles than the smaller models with viewing angle layer Robinson said it was noticeable.
Are there any rurmors about 2025 u8n. Will it have a good upgrade like 2024 was over 2023 model or will it br almost the same with minor upgrade om dimming zones and nits?
Samsung and sony just way over charge for their tvs. Yes they make great tvs but for the money a qm7,qm8 or a u7n or u8n are premium sets for mid tier prices.
Well it does make you wonder why haven't the premium brands chose to lower their prices. Bear in mind I'm not one of these people who believe that everything in the world should be cheap, no far from it I believe that if you want a premium product you're going to have to pay a premium price. But companies like Hisense and of course TCL have managed to get that premium product out at a lower and lower price. Things like OLED for example, that technology has been out on the market long enough and has matured long enough to wear prices should be far lower than what they are. I just believe that the companies position these TVs as a premium product so therefore they charge a premium price, In my opinion Sony's got the right idea, sure the products are more costly but unlike Samsung or LG, there's not 500 different skus and 6,000 different models. Sony this year literally has six models of TVs not including the little 32-in that they sell, and it's very easy to see what you're getting for your money and what you're getting as you pay more money.
Oh how the mighty have fallen. The days of the Trinitron are well past us. Poor Sony. Seems like all divisions are now bleeding cash. I would be surprised if they're even in business past 2027. I'm expecting a buyout from Amazon🎉
But how close is a hisense u8n from an oled? Honest question. Because im an oled guy and u8n is a tv that really calls my attention because of price/size. But i havent got one afraid the picture is not even close. But is it?
I actually would have bought the MLA OLED instead of the S95B back then because I had money to burn at that specific period. I would have moved from Samsung back to LG. They dropped the ball
Why not keep old oleds for longer and sell as buget variants? They take them off so darn quickly. Couldn't they be able to sell alot of say, LG C2 as of now for a good amount of volume???
I’m fairly certain LG make panels for lots of other brands inc Hisense not to mention screens for phones so I doubt the market share is an issue - i personally own some high end LG TVs and recently purchased the 85 inch Hisense h7 pro which was phenomenal value vrs Samsung
I just checked: I could buy a 77" C41 Oled for ~2100€, or a 75" U8NQ for €1800, so at least in estonia the decision is easy: oled every time. U8NQ however is €1400 at 75%, which makes it a much more difficult upsell. Considering that the oled is definitely better, I think they will always have a place in the market - they will just be a more niche product as time goes on and LCD-s get better and better.
I bought Hisense 42 inch QLED direct lit for less than 200$ on Black Friday. The menu look like the Sony’s with less options. Google tv is nice. It’s feels cheap but the panel is decent for everyday use. Not a gamer tv.
Hisense TCL will do good as tier 2 market as soon they try to charge premium to replace premium brands it would be hard sell Vizio was same way and still same tier 2 after more than decade, Sony and Panasonic tackled Samsung and LG being go even more premium they don’t come down to tier2 level point. Competition good for consumers. Hisense and TCl have some great products not sure they have long lasting quality and premium processing yet
❤ I made Same mistake initially that thinking High end ULED Hisense End Sense as Low end plastic Roku (made to be cheap on purpose for That market ) ! 32” Roku --- 8.9 lb 🪽 50” Roku--- 19 lb 🪿 70” Roku ---45 lb 🪿🪿 55” ULED--- 55 lb (Google OS ) 🪵 65 U8 ---- 75 lb 🗿 75” U8 ---- 95 lb 🗿🗿 85” UX --- 180 lb 🗿🗿🗿🦧 ☝🏼 -- $4000 I just bought this Most ppl tried Toyota Prius electrical , hate it n using that berate Tesla . In fact they have never seen one or be in any :) Direct LED . Same tech as SONY X77L , X80K , Samsun UN6000, UN7000 - cheap. Those -- direct LED (NO local dimmmjng ) made to be cheap ! LED lights at back of TV 100 % ON at ALL time -- prone to damage n breakage , thru over heating . High END QLED / Mini LED -- Full Aray local dimmmjng . The LED is only own split second ! They last super long ! My U8G 2021 model 10 hr a day always on just don’t die lol . Survived big move too .
I foresee entire projector/TV market to shrink due to AR glasses like Vision Pro. Hear me out: - there are rumours of AVP adopting brighter RGB OLED displays (WOLED atm) - no problem with room brightness/reflections - mobile, any size you like - fancy 200” no problem - game changer to me - third party apps converting your plex library to 3D - this offsets the mediocre HDR (too low brightness) completely! Extra depth on super crisp OLED is what we saw on newest OLEDs only. AVP does it better though - as its real 3D - via each eye independently - no crushed blacks - all detail is there, colour reproduction is spot on To me first gen already subsided my need for new bigger TV. Typically only one person in the house cares about picture quality/size- AVP is perfect and cheaper option for one person. Next generation(s) where they possibly get brighter - adding more impactful HDR into this mix - nothing will be able to compete - 3D applied to all content - not to mention all other things it can do - computing - and will do - matches/games directly from the pitch! I think this will be the way forward, rather than 150 pound TVs or projector systems requiring bat cave.
No chance in hell. Goggles are heavy, uncomfortable and bad for your eyes. The screen that "appears" giant is not the same as a real giant screen. Headset is for one person only.
This is great news. SONY and LG need to wake the hell up and actually give the consumers what they want and at an affordable price. Sony especially has gotten way to cocky thinking they won’t lose sales to TCL or Hisense. People are wising up. Charging what they do for say a Bravia 9 is highway robbery. Congrats to TCL for stepping up. At this rate they’ll leave Sony and LG in the dust within 2 years.
Wooooo ! That thing is GORGEOUS! I have seen so many times in store ! Even brought family to see it re exam . U7N has -- huge step up with last year Flagship U8K screen ! 📺 (most influencers don’t tell u that ) It’s very high Gloss level of Semi Gloss . Neat 🎉
Of course they are winning because of the unfair advantage, underpaid and over working employees and government subsidies, they can afford putting more hardware towards a product. But tariff is coming, and to avoid being flooded by overproduced goods, other countries will follow. Let’s see when that happens, if TCL and other Chinese brands can stand out when played fairly.
I rock With LG OLEad and Never go above 65-inch. WebOS is my Favorite OS. But I don't buy TVs every year or other year or even 3 years. I think they need to stop this Every year thing. Going even bi-yearly would be better in many ways.. My C3 has 5-year warranty with the panel but threw Best buy geek squad
The picture quality gap has closed to a point where there is little benefit to pay more for a premium brand. Either the premium brands will have to lower prices, or they will have to offer up additional incentives to boost value.
Stop the fomo, always explain technical things like a green horn, the blue phosphorus OLED tandem structure was design by universal display years ago with focus on colour gamut and efficiency, adopted structure was RGBB, L.g dream oled is not blue phosphorus oled but an hybrid, to ensure stability of blue phosphorus oled material, L.g already has a prototype and is considering mass production.
Hisense performs wonderfully and they are priced great. The problem being according to my two friends who are television repair people is the reliability and lack of quality control. Hisense and TCL were regular visitors in the repair shop. There was also an issue of obtaining parts to make the repairs. Some of my friends that have purchased the chinese made tv's (TCL & Hisense) were pretty disappointed when they had to replace the tv's much earlier than usual. I think I will stick with LG , Samsung and Sony. These 3 are at the top of the reliability scale in Consumer Reports. Granted there is always exceptions to this stuff but I am guided by it. Good video.
@@trewright1482 Nonsense. You actually believe most people just buy a new TV every 1-2 years? They keep them for up to 10 years and if they fail after 3-4 years, you can be sure they want to repair them. Since, according to them, "I just bought the damned thing recently!!!"
@@trewright1482 They are pretty cheap but you can still pay some pretty decent money for them. I wouldn't want to pay a grand for a TV and have to replace it 3 to 4 years later. I expect them to be around at least ten years later.
@@Cenkolino I know when I buy a TV I expect at least ten years out of it. My 32 inch Sony Bravia is 16 years old. My Sony Bravia XR 90 K is only two years old. I expect to have that around 10 years from now.
Since Hisense and TCL are Chinese brands, they tend to be cheaper. I aim to buy as few Chinese products as possible. Ideally, I avoid purchasing products from totalitarian regimes.
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Hahahahahaha!!!! GOOD! I've never been an LG fan, and I couldn't care LESS about their TVs. I prefer any of the other big brands, whether it's TCL, Hisense, Samsung, or even Soyny. 😄
Samsung is bad for motion, upscaling and sports in general. Probably some people searching something else.
Tcl and hisense smart. They doing what these other brands refuse to do. Stop over charging for these tv. Giving people more for their money
They have more desperate people that would work for less making operation cost lower so they can offer the TVs at a lower price.
Simple as that.
They're killing it in all segments & price ranges. LG & Samsung tv's are trash at the entry level and mid tier. It's here where Hisense and TCL dominate. They've also taken over the large screen segment.
On one side you have companies who do all the innovating but also overcharge and then the otherside is a bunch of IP stealing slave labor using companies who do not innovate but charge prices closer to what they should. Pick your poison.
@AX5Terminator imagine when more automaton is implemented but by then everything will be so cheap, nobody would own anything and be happy about. Just subscription fee
I am a Sony guy, and Panasonic before that. I just bought my first TCL QM7 75 inch and I am very impressed so far. Gaming on this thing is incredible! Best $900 I ever spent.
Sony make a handful of Ferrari priced TV's that are certainly good, but most of their range is overpriced and under engineered.
Not surprised. TCL and Hisense are not playing around in the TV market. 😮
I've had a 55" TCL R615 since 2018 that I still absolutely love. I got a 65" QM8 last year and it's been a phenomenal TV! I got it over the C2 because I work from home and I watch too many channels that have tickers/banners/logos. And the room where the QM8 is, gets stupid bright. So the TCL was the safer option for me
Wait until the Tariff's come out on all Chinese made products and the price really will rise.
This. TCL and Hisense could get tariffs of up to 200%, if Trump decides to put China on a leash.
That's why I bought TCL last week. It's going to get ugly in 2025!
Or wait until they destroy the competititon and there won't be alternatives
naaa, 3 scenarios, most likely the Chinese will give in to our demands, they will drop their prices even more or manufacturing will go out of china to Vietnam or US.
Which the purpose is to actually bring more jobs back state side while also being used as a plea bargaining deal! Just look at Trudo literally folding in front of Trump like that Beta he's always has been!😂😂😂
I bought a Hisense 65" U8N, and it's been fantastic. This is coming from an LG OLED. The black level is very close to OLED, but gets oh so much brighter. Using the set just for movie/video playback. Using the OLED for gaming as the response time is much faster.
The release of microLED is growing in need as OLED is close to maxing out on tech.
Deciding between the LG B4 77 and Hisense U8N 75. Only concern is the viewing angle bc my living room is a good size so not everyone will have a direct view. Is the Hisense angle THAT much worse?
@vrgrz123 sir B4 has no brightness, its good in a light controlled room for SDR content, but a poor HDR TV.
OLED has superior viewing angles though...
@@TheKwod Yall thinking HDR is all about brightness only just make me laugh… you guys who say this have zero understanding of what HDR really is. The proof is in your ignorant comments, with no factual basis to your claims.
“No brightness”… what a moronic statement as well. Like what world are you living in lol. The b4 beats many LCD’s, obviously not all, but many, in brightness. It’s like we forget what is actually going on, and what luminance measurements actually mean in terms of RWC. OLED beats almost all LCDs in pure objective PQ and contrast modulation. You don’t need 1000 nits full field to have an enjoyable viewing experience. Anyone watching serious content in a light filled room, is moronic.
I also can’t wait for all these eye issues about to be popping up. You’ll see what I mean, in due time.
“Poor HDR TV….” Tell that to the colorists out there mastering on LG OLEDs. Like me, they’ll sculf at that ludicrously.
@@ye-rochawkins5432 Brightness is part and parcel of HDR, of course the 100% brightness on a B4 is only 145nits vs 500-800 on "cheaper" mini led.
OLED also have to contend with aggressive ABL, especially on larger sizes.
Me, id avoid the lower end OLEDs, especially when DV is heading towards 4000/10000nits.
If someone wants to buy a 55/65in B4 mainly for SDR content, that would be okay unless the room was very bright.
You're just one of these weird OLED snobs who stupidly thinks OLEDS have no issues and acts like the low end OLEDs are as good as a QD OLED.
@vrgrz123 OLEDs will always beat LCD on viewing angle. That being said, I find the viewing angle on the U8N definitely acceptable, unless you are on extreme angle.
I think this speaks to the age old phenomenon of: "Most people will take a much cheaper product, for 70-80% of the performance".
For most TV buyers, the loss of contrast and accuracy doesn't matter when they can swap these for a massive panel which offers cinema-like immersiveness. And that's at a comparable - or even cheaper price.
We might be display nerds, but we also have to acknowledge that sometimes our big dumb lizard brains are easily impressed by big, heavy-hitting things rather than fine details.
The thing is SONY LG do not even have the best tech to start with .
Especially SONY . They drain 😮consumer $Billions over d years when they did NOT
Have best TV since early 2000s.
Our Business professor in Canada 🇨🇦 where Rtings at . Spent 2 hrs telling ppl that SONY’s 90%!revenue r Entry / mid range from ppl in low/ mid income family . Since they do NOT have highest technology, they will PAY 💰 more to USE Compitition patterns (Sharp / Samsung / LG …. ) to up their Flagship prestige , n 2-3X price of mid range - Entry 😮customers who r struggling with 😮finance ! Because it is --- MUCH Cheaper to produce 200000 of same TV even sell at half price off flagship ! Than producing 8000 units of flagship (u can not charge flagship 10X price ! So they yearly lose money 💰 from producing flagship ) flagship-- made by Other brands Pattern that SONY doesn’t have 😮 is called UP Sell truck in Sales / Marketing . N still cheaper than casting Tv commercials . Their goal is how to juice 🧃 As MUCH money 💰 on low budget consumers as they can to make the money back from Flagship n pay for the Coat of Pattern they borrow from competition making flagship .
N in 3 yr , ppl want upgrade ,,, they r pulled by d urge from Futurr Flagship ! Rinse n repeat ! 😮
Hisense / TCL has high Integrity n Hornor ! Since they HAVE high end tech Patterns Already. They don’t need to do SONY convoluted Marketing . They just pump high performance TV . They actually produce Flagship so MUCH so cut d cost down. It’s not its -- cheap!
That -- Business lecture 2 hrs reallly crush my spine . It hurt !
70-80% performance? What TV's have you been comparing?
Good! Maybe Samsung will fit ally decide to reduce prices on their ridiculously overpriced TV's! 👍
It's not that.
Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which is the main reason their products are cheaper.
@@AleX-techlab As a consumer, the cost of a TV is important to me. Of course, the cheaper and the larger the diagonal.
What makes you think they are over charging? The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc....
Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs.......
How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
@@АлексейСтрельников-ш2о What I'm trying to say with that is people are underpaid.
@@AleX-techlabThe Chinese are doing what LG and Samsung themselves did in the late 2000s until 2015, they sold complete TVs that were much cheaper than the Japanese ones, why do you think Samsung surpassed Sony?
Its not the technology they need to improve, it their asking prices 💯👎👎👎
The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc....
Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs.......
How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
No, I don't think LG will survive.. They have blown so many opportunities. They're already out of the phone game as far as producing phones.. And they just dropped their Blu-ray division. They are going downhill fast
LG is the new Vizio, lol.
@derekwebster8442 It seriously is It is already done everything it could do to survive. It sold itself out to ads they're trying their best to keep up with technology and they really can't I mean TCL is taking over whether they like it or not
Yea I don't think so.. everybody I know only owns LG including myself
@RedPillAlways okay, that's your opinion. Good luck with that. I'm a Sony guy all the way..
@@movie_av_impulse
My and many many others as well. But yea Good luck.
Can't say I've ever had a problem with LG. In fact it only keeps getting better and they last years so I have no need to buy every year 2 or 3+
Japanese brands replaced American brands, South Korean brands than replaced Japanese brands and now Chinese brands will replace South Korean brands 😂
Yep! I remember that...
Next (in like 10+ yrs) *should* be Indian brands replacing Chinese brands. lol
And then after that should be African brands replacing Indian brands. Wouldn't both of these be wild to see happen?
The way things are moving today, and the problems in India with iPhone production having defects, hair and even feces embedded in them. The world may skip India and move straight to South America or Africa. The Chinese are investing massively in the continents and expanding BRICS/BRI, but without the IMF’s debt trap. Meanwhile they’re investing and betting heavily into automation and AI at home to maintain their manufacturing leadership.
@ I hear ya.
I still think LG should include MLA on the C series. I agree that immersion is a real thing but at what size does the screen become too big to fit in ones room?
I'm waiting for 130" to replace the PJ in my theatre.
Exactly. MLA with slightly worse processing than the G series. Just have the G series be the better designed, better built and better warranteed product.
LG is not a huge company. They certainly have less overall to spend on RnD. I think both Samsung and LGs days at the top of the TV heap will be over. The Chinese brands like TCL, Hisense, Xiaomi etc....are doing to them now what they did to the Japanese brands 15 plus years ago.
LG is a huge company dude
Which is why they've had a literally monopoly on OLED do to the fact they had nothing else. Their LCD tvs are practically useless especially when compared to TCL and Hisense! I was predicting this would of eventually happen to the Korean brands. Also both TCL and Hisense is going to producing inkjet printed OLED tvs . Once that happens it's game over for both Samsung and LG OLEDs?
I really hope Sony & Panasonic don’t drag their feet on WHVA panels. It’s the missing ingredient from their MiniLEDs being ideal IMHO.
Give me an OLED at 85"-90" (not 83") with MLA at a reasonable price and I'll buy it.
It's too expensive to make
My 83 OLED is complete garbage- not enough information is officially out there with how bad those 83 panels are.
Really? Never heard about that. My 77” has been great
@@ShotgunSandwichENT The 77 has a different panel- It doesn't have the uniformity issue - all 83 OLEDTVs use the same panel going back years and they all have this problem - LG calls it the moire effect and won't fix it under warranty which is compete BS - the panel just sucks
@@jimmneedlereally? Which one do you have? Asking so I can avoid it.
Wow Imagine that. People are tired of getting ripped off and want a more affordable reasonably priced option Who would have thought.
What makes you think people are getting ripped off? The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc....
Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs.......
How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
@@barryjones2366lg has been ripping people off for years
Still rocking a 77 inch C1 and couldn’t be happier. Haven’t seen anything yet that’s blown my socks off to replace it with. Gonna be a sad day when it gives out. Honestly I’ll probably try to find a used one to buy.
Don’t ever let anyone take the joy you’ve experienced with your OLED away. They’ll try and do that, believe me. If you’re like me, and know what you like, and enjoy what you got with a LG OLED, just keep rolling.
Even with QD-OLED and the benefits it has, and some disadvantages, I still see little reason til that tech matures. I personally don’t trust Samsung as far as I can throw a stick. No tv is perfect anyways… NONE! I also have found no real reason to upgrade from my C2. I am a freaking display geek too. I live this shit. I know what’s out there, and what they’re capable of.
Tnh, I already have severe eye strain as it is, from what many laymen’s would call a “dim” tv. By no means is the C2 I have “dim”. When my eyes feel like they’re bleeding, even just watching SDR content at normal SDR luminance levels, I know more would not equate to better”. I know this for a fact…..considering I also own 2000nit QLEDs. It’s all I owned before OLED. IMO, flat out luminance is overrated and possibly not the best for our health. The luminance needs to make sense, if you get me….
I know the whole argument that our eyes see way higher luminance levels on a daily basis…. But it’s also not artificially generated light, SPD/ waveforms, that use additive color to produce color. In my mind, those two aren’t the same, and there is a difference between a tv producing light artificially, and real sunlight and color. Also, it’s not advised to go out and look at the sun, which we often do when inspecting our specular highlights. When is that going to become actually dangerous lol? Who knows I guess 🤷
Have you ever addressed how effed up the 83 OLED panels are? Mine has trash vertical bars in the grey- Maybe that is why LG is dropping share.
The peak market for OLED was during the transition to 4K which plasma tv couldn't do and at that time LCD was mediocre. Now LCD has improved greatly with QD and mini LED technology, and it continues to improve but it's already more than good enough for most buyers. With 85+ inch size becoming the new must have feature it makes the market for OLED limited to tech enthusiasts which never works out in the long run.
I don‘t care about LCD/Mini LED, even it‘s half the price. Once gone OLED there‘s no way back 🤷♂️
That may be true for enthusiasts, but the majority of people simply want bigger and cheaper TVs. They dont care about blooming, color accuracy or vertical banding. If the picture is big and can hold a couple hundred nits of brightness, its more than good enough.
@ sure, but I don‘t speak for the majority of people. That‘s just my opinion.
@@Cenkolinogranted, but some of the large TCL and Hisense have advanced blacklights with huge usable brightness at reasonable cost.
I don't recommend cheap and nasty edge lit or direct lit turds in the HDR era.
Direct lit FALD and mini led ftw.
TCL and Hisense are just simply giving people more TV for less money! They are outperforming much more expensive sets from the big 3, and processing is getting better also. Only a matter of time before the big 3 will have to come in at a better price to compete.
They're not outperforming they're only larger for cheaper that's it
@AndrewB23 even at the smaller sizes, they are way cheaper for 90% of the performance of the big 3, many times outperforming them. It's good to have competition.
@@johnlegg6661 Dont drink the payed influencers Kool Aid. The TCL and Hisense TVs made major leaps in quality but they are still clearly inferior products. The buildquality on Hisense and TCL TVs is a joke and their rate of failure is very high. No matter how many dimming zones they put into their TVs, they cant manage the backlight control algorithm and never will.
I have replaced my Panasonic & Samsung TVs with TCL and Vizio. Image quality and reliability has been great for me for the dirt cheap price.
The problem with a lot of consumer electronics is that they price themselves out of reach for most people. When you can get a much better looking tv at larger size for the same price people are going to pick the Hisense and TCL's. I don't really trust the Chinese brands reliability but I don't blame people for rolling the dice on them.
That and the CCP ties are always a concern. I might be over reacting, but the fact a government is closely tied to or in a lot of cases owns these companies rubs me the wrong way. All companies do data collection, but I'm always concened if the CCP is going to use it in a more nefarious way beyond just trying to sell me junk.
That and.. Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which are the main reasons their products are cheaper
@@AleX-techlab The cost a product can be sold at is based on many factors, such as R&D budget which is the biggest factor, companies can spend billions! Then there is wages, advertising budget, etc....
Chinese companies making things so cheap has me thinking they mustn't spend much on anything, that means cutting costs on R&D, peoples wages (working for a bowl of rice and lots of people throwing themselves out of a window because of the hours they have to work for almost nothing!), parts, worse support, little to no advertising plus and this is another big one, the chinese government subsidises the TVs costs.......
How can first world nations compete when shitty countries do this kind of terrible behaviour? If you want to support a dictatorship and shitty wages with shitty working conditions then buy cheap, if you want to support good wages and conditions then pay a little more, you will get a better product too!
@@barryjones2366 That's what I'm trying to say, just using less words.. 😉
@@AleX-techlab yeah but I just wanted to add a bit more nuance to the discussion, seems to be lacking a bit. There is also the amount of units you can make effects the unit price and predicted sales, like if you are making them in volume for a smaller profit margin or a small amount so you need to raise prices. There are so many things to consider when running a business.
I just got a TCL QLED Love it especially for gaming 👍
LG only went down 4 points and Samsung went down 13 points. I think Samsung has more to worry about it seems
Wait until the Chinese Tariff kicks in...
@ tech companies will crater cause nobody can afford it
you are very right, samsung should be more afraid, going down 13 points, and samsung source their LCD or LED Display from TCL CSOT, Next year samsung will be down 19 points.
This is the biggest issue for other brands in general: Wages in China are significantly lower, which reduces labor costs. Additionally, these companies receive government support, which is the main reason their products are cheaper.
Tariffs on Chinese products is the way to go.
@@AleX-techlabYou really know nothing don't you?
Unless OLED makes a 120 inch tv for less than $5k, they won't see my money.
I love my Hisense U76 100inch tv I got during Black Friday! Blacks are close or in the ballpark of OLED, and this is just full-array not the mini-led version.
The value of it is so good I feel like I stole something.
Purchased the Hisense 65" U8N. Is it as amazing as the TV's 2-3x as expensive? Yeah, it kind of is. I don't see any reason to buy anything expensive anymore when the base line is so good. It's nearly perfect. Only thing I'd upgrade for is if LG brings back passive 3D. That's worth a ton alone but I'm not holding my breath for manufacturers to get back into the world. But that's what I'd say they could do, bring back what was amazing, 4k passive 3D.
Thanks to Stop the FOMO and Brian's Tech therapy, Hisense and TCL shares went up. LOL
Honorable mention to GettyGman because he bought two 100 inch Hisense. LOL
I bought a 98 tcl but if lg had offered the 83 g4 for say 3k I would have bought it but refuse to pay what they are going for.
65 LG G4 or 85 TCL 8 series? I'll choose TCL
LG should bring MLA to 48"/42", maybe even to smaller sizes. They would reign supreme in that genre though admittedly with lower margins.
Yeah I'm not sure when people stopped by 20- 30 inch Tvs but not everyone wants a 55 inch tv in their bedroom.
Some of us want a high quality, small tv. I _can_ fit a 50 inch tv in a bedroom but I'd rather have more space.
There are already 27 inch MLA panels.
WOLED is dated . Hisense U8N / Sony Bravi9, TCL Qm851 all have ---- wait for this 3 X or more of color Densiry 🔮🔮🧿🧿🪲🪲🌹🌹🌺🌺
of G3 G4 🧩🧩🍡🍬🍉🍉 🌸🌸🥗🥗🏞️🏞️🏖️🏖️🏔️🏔️most Normal pics 99% images r not even black . The G3 G4 will be more of --2D but by brain 🧠 placebo seen as more 3D .
Poor Sony, oh how the mighty have fallen.....I would be surprised if Sony goes outta the TV business in the next 5 years because their share of the market is so tiny now...plus, their TVs cost too much and their quality and reliability of their TVs are very questionable now.
price sucks
I don’t call them Poor. They drain 😮consumer $Billions over d years when they did NOT
Have best TV since early 2000s.
Our Business professor in Canada 🇨🇦 where Rtings at . Spent 2 hrs telling ppl that SONY’s 90%!revenue r Entry / mid range . Since they do NOT have highest technology, they will PAY 💰 more to USE Compitition patterns (Sharp / Samsung / LG …. ) to up their Flagship prestige , n 2-3X price of mid range - Entry 😮customers who r struggling with 😮finance ! Because it is --- MUCH Cheaper to produce 200000 of same TV even sell at half price off flagship ! Than producing 8000 units of flagship (u can not charge flagship 10X price ! So they yearly lose money 💰 from producing flagship ) flagship-- made by Other brands Pattern that SONY doesn’t have 😮 is called UP Sell truck in Sales / Marketing . N still cheaper than casting Tv commercials . Their goal is how to juice 🧃 As MUCH money 💰 on low budget consumers as they can to make the money back from Flagship n pay for the Coat of Pattern they borrow from competition making flagship .
N in 3 yr , ppl want upgrade ,,, they r pulled by d urge from Futurr Flagship ! Rinse n repeat ! 😮
Hisense / TCL has high Integrity n Hornor !
That -- Business lecture 2 hrs reallly crush my spine . It hurt !
Not adding the MLA to their C-Series isn't helping LG. Dropping prices alone won't be enough. They need to add MLA to the C-Series to compete with QD-OLED at the midrange.
I just see TCL as eye burners.
I will not sacrifice size for picture quality. All hail LG
My LG CX has really good picture quality and I still love the way it looks (both picture and the TV set itself), but the top pixels have started dying (looks like blobs of dead pixels). I started researching this thing and I found out this is a widespread problem affecting all the lg oled tv's even newer ones C2's and C3's. Lg is quiet about this and most often the affected tv's are out of warranty and the costs of replacing the panel is absurd . Because of this when it came for a new tv, I avoided them and bought a TCL qm7. Picture quality is not as good but close enough (I would consider 90% of the oled quality) but the price difference is substantial. So I was put between choosing a expensive Lg oled which will probably fail again and a close enough tcl but at half the price with 5 year warranty. I chose to keep more money in my pocket.
LE: The Lg is 3 years old
Same here bro. My CX is having blobs of black on top and bottom. Only matter of time it dies. Planning to go for hisense qled next for gaming, as mini LEDs are good enough.
LG got fat and sassy while they were dominating the oled market for almost a decade ... untill, Samsung slapped them a bit of sense with the S95B, that came with brighter, more colorful QD-oled panels. Sadly, as consumers, LG did not respond the way we expected or wanted. Now they are in trouble.
Samsung also.. did you watch the video?????
Talk about completely missing the message. Samsung is affected even more than LG.
They need to bring the cost of OLED down
LG QDOLED would sell out like hot cakes. LG settings are the best. They have to bring back 3D and 120bfi better than ever.
What's kinda not mentioned in all this OLED debates is the fact that W-OLED has a higher lifespan then QD-OLED by design. We're talking about roughly half the lifespan of QD-OLED (20 - 25k hours) compared to W-OLED (around 50k hours).
I love my 65" LG B7A OLED but for 5Kish or less I am looking at and seriously considering the Hisense 100"
8:18 "eliminated burn in several years back..." Yeah that's just wrong. Burn in has not been eliminated for any OLED panels.
20,000 hours on my 65 inch Lg c1, 5 hours gaming a day and not a hint of burn in. Burn in might not be “eliminated” but boy it’s much better than my previous two plasma tvs.
@@GoranTosev8989 I've owned my Panasonic plasma since Feb 2013 and have played many games, watched sports, news channels, and have lots of other static images on the screen over the years and luckily don't have any burn in issues either but that doesn't mean it is eliminated. For a UA-cam channel specializing in talking about TV tech, it is important to get the facts right. He specifically said the issue has been eliminated and that is utterly false.
It's all about pricing. If they want to regain market share, lower prices
Hopefully OLED won't go the way of plasma. How many years was the defunct Pioneer Kuro better than anything new? It reminds me of my 30 year old Gen 1 Lightning truck. Even at that age and 90K miles there is no new truck at any price that will run as trouble-free and is as easy to fix. It's a half million mile truck. What's new that won't have major failures before 200K? Progress.
I left Samsung for Sony.
Considering the same. Sport on Samsung is terrible.
I have the 85" Sony Bravia 9... and the picture quality is absolutely amazing!!!
I left Samsung for Hisense. :)
I’m sorry…..those 2 are the shitiest brands…..
Did I mess up by getting the LG G4? I don’t want an obsolete TV. The Bravia nine was about $1000 Canadian cheaper than it at the same 77 inch size range. But I wanted OLED. But it looks like they are going to way of plasma. I don’t even know anymore. This is depressing
Don't worry about it the G4 was voted King of TVs in the TV blind shootout this year! It will be plenty good for the next 10+ years or so. 😀Any owner of an OLED can be perfectly happy with their choice! There are much more positives than negatives compared to all other display types.
OLED has the best viewing angles, picture sharpness/clarity, no blooming, bright, consistently high contrast, colours are some of the best you can get with QDs, pixel response times.
Negatives are higher price, is more susceptible to burn-in, can't get as bright for the brightest highlights and scenes but those are pretty rare cases, for almost all scenes OLED will be brighter with more contrast.
LCD positives are it's cheaper normally, it gets brighter but only for the brightest highlights and scenes which are rare, near black handling can be better but only on a Sony.
Negatives are many.....slower pixel response times, worse game mode local dimming performance, worse viewing angles (can be very narrow), worse picture sharpness/clarity, blooming, hazy scenes sometimes......
OLED is clearly the best tech out there!
😂😂😂😂 bro I have a g1 that still beats mini led I wouldn't even bother upgrading for the next 7 years if it wasn't for the size
if the g4 was cheaper I'd upgrade to it
I still think mini led is 3 years away from matching oled in all areas
@@e4superfly let’s see I might have to do mini led next time. I feel sad everytime i see my g4 not because I hate it but because I might be one of the last OLED TVs
TCL has stepped their game up all the way up. In 2018 I purchased a TCL Model # 55US57 and that tv pure trash.
I gave the television away purchased me a sony and told myself I would not buy another one. I paid in the neighborhood of 600 dollars for it.
Fast forward to 2022 and I purchased another LG due to this channel, price, and me going in to look at one in the store on display. The model # 65R646 and this TV is really good it does upscalinng well.
The motion has a little soap opera effect so I keep that on the low setting.
Tured off that automatic dimming set from the factory and I'm good. I paid just over 600 for it.
2018 wasn't all bad for them. I bought their 55" R615 that released that year, and I still love that TV. Fast forward to last year, and I got a 65" QM8 and it's been a fantastic TV! Their motion handling and processing still needs to be better (I heard the 2024 QM8 is better, but I haven't done any research on it) but I knew that was an area they struggled in, and luckily for me it hasn't been that big of an issue with the QM8
@csi2448 that QM8 is on point and the price is right. My tv was made in February 2017i usually get a previous year release to get a better deal: also the tv i got in 2018 was a lower end model.
I gave TCL a chance with the qm851g but the processing, motion and color are trash compared to LG and Sony. I will continue to pay more for the premium brands until the cheapy brands catch up -- if they ever do.
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Most people don't watch TV very far off angle. The market demands what it wants. In 5 years other than small screens monitors phones etc. Oled will go out like Plasma
Off angle on sizes like 85", 95" or higher isn't even a thing.
@@M00n.P00p. ah yes it can, the 98" Samsung QN90D had much narrower viewing angles than the smaller models with viewing angle layer Robinson said it was noticeable.
@@barryjones2366 Agreed. If I sit too close with my 75 mini-LED, the corners are slightly dark. Distance affects viewing angle.
Are there any rurmors about 2025 u8n. Will it have a good upgrade like 2024 was over 2023 model or will it br almost the same with minor upgrade om dimming zones and nits?
Samsung and sony just way over charge for their tvs. Yes they make great tvs but for the money a qm7,qm8 or a u7n or u8n are premium sets for mid tier prices.
Well it does make you wonder why haven't the premium brands chose to lower their prices.
Bear in mind I'm not one of these people who believe that everything in the world should be cheap, no far from it I believe that if you want a premium product you're going to have to pay a premium price. But companies like Hisense and of course TCL have managed to get that premium product out at a lower and lower price.
Things like OLED for example, that technology has been out on the market long enough and has matured long enough to wear prices should be far lower than what they are. I just believe that the companies position these TVs as a premium product so therefore they charge a premium price,
In my opinion Sony's got the right idea, sure the products are more costly but unlike Samsung or LG, there's not 500 different skus and 6,000 different models.
Sony this year literally has six models of TVs not including the little 32-in that they sell, and it's very easy to see what you're getting for your money and what you're getting as you pay more money.
So many got burned with oled qd or w with first gen panels, when renewing now they can go bigger and more reliable with TCL
Oh how the mighty have fallen. The days of the Trinitron are well past us. Poor Sony.
Seems like all divisions are now bleeding cash. I would be surprised if they're even in business past 2027. I'm expecting a buyout from Amazon🎉
But how close is a hisense u8n from an oled? Honest question. Because im an oled guy and u8n is a tv that really calls my attention because of price/size. But i havent got one afraid the picture is not even close. But is it?
Don't forget all the disappointed owners who bought from the OG manufacturers when their TVs failed prematurely. Once bitten as they say.
I actually would have bought the MLA OLED instead of the S95B back then because I had money to burn at that specific period. I would have moved from Samsung back to LG. They dropped the ball
LG, Samsung and Sony charge way too much for their TV's.
I just need your opinion, what do you think about the quality use after 2 years for TCL and Hisense?
Wait until the Tariffs hit!
Why not keep old oleds for longer and sell as buget variants? They take them off so darn quickly. Couldn't they be able to sell alot of say, LG C2 as of now for a good amount of volume???
I’m fairly certain LG make panels for lots of other brands inc Hisense not to mention screens for phones so I doubt the market share is an issue - i personally own some high end LG TVs and recently purchased the 85 inch Hisense h7 pro which was phenomenal value vrs Samsung
I just checked: I could buy a 77" C41 Oled for ~2100€, or a 75" U8NQ for €1800, so at least in estonia the decision is easy: oled every time.
U8NQ however is €1400 at 75%, which makes it a much more difficult upsell.
Considering that the oled is definitely better, I think they will always have a place in the market - they will just be a more niche product as time goes on and LCD-s get better and better.
Cheaper TVs will always run the game. But I love Samsung's reliability.
wait till WALMART start pushing their Vizo brand ...... you will see a decline in sales for all other brands
I bought Hisense 42 inch QLED direct lit for less than 200$ on Black Friday.
The menu look like the Sony’s with less options. Google tv is nice. It’s feels cheap but the panel is decent for everyday use. Not a gamer tv.
Hisense TCL will do good as tier 2 market as soon they try to charge premium to replace premium brands it would be hard sell Vizio was same way and still same tier 2 after more than decade, Sony and Panasonic tackled Samsung and LG being go even more premium they don’t come down to tier2 level point. Competition good for consumers. Hisense and TCl have some great products not sure they have long lasting quality and premium processing yet
❤ I made Same mistake initially that thinking High end ULED Hisense End Sense as Low end plastic Roku (made to be cheap on purpose for That market ) !
32” Roku --- 8.9 lb 🪽
50” Roku--- 19 lb 🪿
70” Roku ---45 lb 🪿🪿
55” ULED--- 55 lb (Google OS ) 🪵
65 U8 ---- 75 lb 🗿
75” U8 ---- 95 lb 🗿🗿
85” UX --- 180 lb 🗿🗿🗿🦧
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-- $4000 I just bought this
Most ppl tried Toyota Prius electrical , hate it n using that berate Tesla . In fact they have never seen one or be in any :)
Direct LED . Same tech as SONY X77L , X80K , Samsun UN6000, UN7000 - cheap.
Those -- direct LED (NO local dimmmjng ) made to be cheap ! LED lights at back of TV 100 % ON at ALL time -- prone to damage n breakage , thru over heating .
High END QLED / Mini LED -- Full Aray local dimmmjng . The LED is only own split second ! They last super long ! My U8G 2021 model 10 hr a day always on just don’t die lol . Survived big move too .
I foresee entire projector/TV market to shrink due to AR glasses like Vision Pro.
Hear me out:
- there are rumours of AVP adopting brighter RGB OLED displays (WOLED atm)
- no problem with room brightness/reflections
- mobile, any size you like - fancy 200” no problem
- game changer to me - third party apps converting your plex library to 3D - this offsets the mediocre HDR (too low brightness) completely! Extra depth on super crisp OLED is what we saw on newest OLEDs only. AVP does it better though - as its real 3D - via each eye independently
- no crushed blacks - all detail is there, colour reproduction is spot on
To me first gen already subsided my need for new bigger TV.
Typically only one person in the house cares about picture quality/size- AVP is perfect and cheaper option for one person.
Next generation(s) where they possibly get brighter - adding more impactful HDR into this mix - nothing will be able to compete - 3D applied to all content - not to mention all other things it can do - computing - and will do - matches/games directly from the pitch!
I think this will be the way forward, rather than 150 pound TVs or projector systems requiring bat cave.
Interesting take and quite possible. Since the carbon footprint of these glasses would be far lower than those collosal TVs.
No chance in hell. Goggles are heavy, uncomfortable and bad for your eyes. The screen that "appears" giant is not the same as a real giant screen. Headset is for one person only.
This is great news. SONY and LG need to wake the hell up and actually give the consumers what they want and at an affordable price. Sony especially has gotten way to cocky thinking they won’t lose sales to TCL or Hisense. People are wising up. Charging what they do for say a Bravia 9 is highway robbery. Congrats to TCL for stepping up. At this rate they’ll leave Sony and LG in the dust within 2 years.
Bought the Hisense U7N . Fantastic Tv .This is coming from a diehard Sony and Samsung guy.
Wooooo ! That thing is GORGEOUS! I have seen so many times in store ! Even brought family to see it re exam . U7N has -- huge step up with last year Flagship U8K screen ! 📺 (most influencers don’t tell u that )
It’s very high Gloss level of Semi Gloss . Neat 🎉
they better come out with 240hz panels in 2025 they have the tech to do it now just dragging there heals
Going to have keep waiting, 165 is coming.
WHVA will be the most important feature of CES. Whoever makes this mass market will be the market winner.
Have you seen any reviews of them? It sounds like they will just trade viewing angles for contrast like all VA panels......not sure though.
@@barryjones2366true, any VA viewing angle "fix" makes the contrast trash.
It is really bad news
Hisense tcl won’t last
Sike. I'll stick with LG. They have better products.
Of course they are winning because of the unfair advantage, underpaid and over working employees and government subsidies, they can afford putting more hardware towards a product. But tariff is coming, and to avoid being flooded by overproduced goods, other countries will follow. Let’s see when that happens, if TCL and other Chinese brands can stand out when played fairly.
Cheap TVs don't last especially anything LED back lit. Having said that neither do Samsungs.
I rock With LG OLEad and Never go above 65-inch. WebOS is my Favorite OS. But I don't buy TVs every year or other year or even 3 years.
I think they need to stop this Every year thing. Going even bi-yearly would be better in many ways..
My C3 has 5-year warranty with the panel but threw Best buy geek squad
If LG is struggling , and drops price ? Then what would they stay alive
Micro LED is the fututre... far surpassing QD Oled and Mini LED. It will cost an arm and leg though.😏
I will never buy a Chinese television
This. I dont want to sound like an elitist but a chinese TV? Come on! 🤣
Same here say no to ccp
Great news, forced to lower prices to earth.
The picture quality gap has closed to a point where there is little benefit to pay more for a premium brand. Either the premium brands will have to lower prices, or they will have to offer up additional incentives to boost value.
Bullshit 😂, they only sell so well because of price just like Vizio when they came out now look at them.
I value my personal data security and privacy, so I rather pay the premium to get Korean or Japanese TV.
LG G4's are having very bad uniformity issues. Stay away from the G4 unless you like green bands on white and grey content
Yea we need Oled competition from China.. Rgb Oled an price war
Hey LG, it's easy. Lower the price. Problem solved.
Samsung can afford to introduce all these new things because they spend no money at all on quality control.
Oled's are going to have to get bigger and cheaper to survive
I will never buy another Samsung tv with Tizen. Period.
Fomo 😊🎉🎉 I REALLY like your outfit again ? What brand is this !!! U have d best Polos !👕
I moved from LG to Samsung because they always release the same TV with the same remote.
Great except try finding spare parts for these Chinese brands, I am a trader and can't buy them. LG and Samsung do provide a backup.
Stop the fomo, always explain technical things like a green horn, the blue phosphorus OLED tandem structure was design by universal display years ago with focus on colour gamut and efficiency, adopted structure was RGBB, L.g dream oled is not blue phosphorus oled but an hybrid, to ensure stability of blue phosphorus oled material, L.g already has a prototype and is considering mass production.
Absolutely not happening.
LG should decrease the price of their OLED TVs !
OLED is a pipe dream for me at this point! I ain't got the money!!!!!
Get a used TCL QM7 next year. Its good enough and you could get a used one for under 300 USD.
@Cenkolino Thanks, that's actually a really good idea.
So is tcl and Hisense made in china since there Chinese brands?
I am one of the 0.5 percent
stop your dob at 2000 FOR A 65 1000 OK
Hisense performs wonderfully and they are priced great. The problem being according to my two friends who are television repair people is the reliability and lack of quality control. Hisense and TCL were regular visitors in the repair shop. There was also an issue of obtaining parts to make the repairs. Some of my friends that have purchased the chinese made tv's (TCL & Hisense) were pretty disappointed when they had to replace the tv's much earlier than usual. I think I will stick with LG , Samsung and Sony. These 3 are at the top of the reliability scale in Consumer Reports. Granted there is always exceptions to this stuff but I am guided by it. Good video.
Can you show Consumer Reports. ? Its just words without fact
I'm sorry your friend is a TV repair man. That has to be a dead industry considering TV's are literally as cheap as it gets...
@@trewright1482 Nonsense. You actually believe most people just buy a new TV every 1-2 years? They keep them for up to 10 years and if they fail after 3-4 years, you can be sure they want to repair them. Since, according to them, "I just bought the damned thing recently!!!"
@@trewright1482 They are pretty cheap but you can still pay some pretty decent money for them. I wouldn't want to pay a grand for a TV and have to replace it 3 to 4 years later. I expect them to be around at least ten years later.
@@Cenkolino I know when I buy a TV I expect at least ten years out of it. My 32 inch Sony Bravia is 16 years old. My Sony Bravia XR 90 K is only two years old. I expect to have that around 10 years from now.
Since Hisense and TCL are Chinese brands, they tend to be cheaper. I aim to buy as few Chinese products as possible. Ideally, I avoid purchasing products from totalitarian regimes.