1v1 Ticonderoga vs Moskva * DCS World *
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2021
- today we are we going to be battling one of the most iconic Naval Ships.
The Russian Moskva and The American Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
Both of these ships were Designed in the late 1960's and early 70's
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Video needs updating to see how the Moskava does in it’s new submarine configuration.
Not well apparently. Glorious Submarine Moskva did one crash dive, hasn’t been heard from since…
@@jamesm3471 Russian submarines are the best submarines. Other countries must resurface. Nyet! Is wasteful. Submarine stays at the bottom. Much better.
@@jamesm3471 you haven’t seen it because it’s upgraded it’s stealth capabilities. Not only it became a submarine it also is very stealthy. So stealthy you’ll never see it ever again.
DCS is only a Sim/Sandbox
If only I could have access to something better for this
hmmm
Jajajajajaja
So reality is now known that just 2 Harpoons from the Tico should've done the trick. Moskva's AA only existed on paper apparently.
And a bit of stormy weather and big waves to limit the defensive radar range ....
@@markhoffman9655 Aegis would be able to operate in those situations.
Modeling indicates that rain was not a factor, but waves were. In the models, the waves confused the RADAR of the Moskva. Another factor is that only a limited nuber of the crew are trained in damage control, while the US navy trains all personnel in damage control.
@@dalesplitstone6276 Came here after the Grim Reapers video?
@@dalesplitstone6276 Modeling is not real. they just play with that. they played with baddest strom. but in that situation, missiles cannot fly strait. at that time real windage was 10m/s. its just calm sea with little wave under 50cm.
you must admit stupid russian radar. anti air designater even get any angle. that is to say they cannot found any missiles. under calm situation.
The Moskva has reached its final destination!
The bottom of the Black Sea!😀
It followed the orders it recieved from the Ukrainians on Snake Island.
The biggest distinction between the Ticonderoga and the Moskva is the Moskva is underwater. What more can be said?
It’s a submarine? 😂😂😂
its on special underwater operation and everything is going to plan
@@buster7925 That never can be Resurfaced
Ahahah Ahahah #BEST COMMENT🤣👏👏👌
@@72ndVipers And like an ssbm has nukes on board since being irreplaceable as they are, russia considers the other 2 remaining slave class crusiers to be strategic assets like ballistic missiles sub. If somebody could somehow recover the warheads before Russia does, that somebody could send it too engineers who could reverse engineer certain parts of the warhead responsible for dentonation and compromise a significant portion of russia's nuclear arsenal. This is bad acid trip fueled nightmare for any nuclear armed power.
To get close to the Moskva, the Ticonderoga needs to carry a mini-sub.
Only in the Dreams Of the Devs
Reality turned out simpler than the game.
a report 14 days before it’s sinking, showed that many of Moskva’s defense systems and radar, and modules were disabled, the ship sunk because it was in bad condition, not because they were Neptune missile
@@jordanwilliams2557 and that's exactly what Eight said. Reality is much simpler, no crazy fights
Nice, good battle featuring America's premier Aegis Class cruisers. They were originally built to be destroyers, using the Spruance Class destroyer hull and plant but their technology and firepower were so advanced that the Navy classified them as cruisers. I'd like to point out it's pronounced with a long i, "Tyco" vs "Tico." The Moskva was a decent destroyer platform in the 1980's but was never a match for a Tyco. Ticonderoga was commissioned in 1985. Tons of technology. They used a Tyco to shoot down a satellite over the Pacific a few years ago, they had to modify an SM2 to get it to reach low-earth orbit, but what was really amazing was how Aegis was able to track a satellite. When Tyco came into existence it scared the hell out of the Russians, for sure. If you could do a matchup between a Moskva and a Spruance I think it would be interesting. Thanks for sharing.
I am not sure if the sim has Spruance class
But if it does expect a vid coming soon
@@72ndVipers Dont think it does or grim reapers would have done it by now.speaking of spruance class if im recalling it right the 5/54 gun mount could fire at a 9 round per minute rate but needed a 10min cool down out of fear of a cook off round i think an thats per book but was 30yr plus ago for me an may have changed.
Ticonderoga is inferior to Moscow in terms of combat power, it is no better, and we are not afraid that you pendos found something there.
Former Ticonderoga sailor here. I was on the Anzio. I've seen the top speed and it remains classified. DCS is following the rules. Serving on a Tico was an experience of a lifetime for sure!
May I ask, why is it classified?
@@MenGamer127 I don’t know the exact reason, but I would guess one reason is that we wouldn’t want any adversary to know exactly how quickly our ships could transit from one part of the world to the other.
@@davidhilton1054 ohhhhhh, that makes sense. Thank you. 🙏
I was on the Ticonderoga when it was an Aircraft Carrier during the Jungle wars. The name still lives. Earlier Aegis system was great. The current one is greater.
What's the top speed?
In 2016 a USS surface ship was able to fend itself from 5 anti ship missiles fired by houthi rebels ij yemen. In 2022 april 15 moskva was sunk by 2 Neptune missile of ukraine. We all know where im going with this, russian hardware are only good in papee and they can be good if crewed by competent crew but as all we know 🇷🇺 arent competent or the smartest one.
It is not known how many missiles were fired. It is only known that two got through. For all we know, the Ukrainians fired a dozen missiles.
I suspect they got caught off guard. Likely had defensive systems in standby, not really expecting they were ever in any real danger. Once they realized the mistake it was likely to late to get the system online. If you look at the pictures of her before she sank her radars, and weapon system were not set in active defense positions you would expect. In short they got lucky, and the Russians got caught with their pants down.
@@dalesplitstone6276 only 4, what they say. they have not many canister truck. they have only one or two canister truck that can carry 4 rounds.
you... oh my... you can find my reply another reply. you just dreamed about super power russia.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jongsookim636 The Russian military is a joke. Widespread corruption has lead to everything from rations that have been expired by 15 years to dry rotting tires. Additionally, the inability to delegate authority is leading to the slaughter of many military commanders.
Of course all of this results in Russia being very dangerous, resulting in many civilian casualties because of Russian inability to destroy Ukrainian military targets.
@@dalesplitstone6276 however repeated simulations in different similarities have shown 2 missiles have a 100% kill rate under less than those conditions ( only takes swells from a 30km/20mph breeze to disable all short range defenses and make low flying missiles invisible against background clutter on the long range radar.. no drone needed).
These vessels are in different locations. The moskva is in the black sea...Like, really IN the black sea.
THIS SHIP IS A SUMBARINE NOW.
"Russian ship is more heavily armored." - Maybe, but zero compartmentalization.
Zero damage control training
Zero fire fighting training.
@@nunya3163 Probably zero fire fighting equipment.
April 13th. The real life Moskva was hit by two Neptune anti-ship missiles causing a fire. That fire detonated the ammo magazine of the Moskva. Glory to Ukraine!
How did you know they are neptunes? Slava Ukraini!
@@kineahora8736 I guess you could also go with the official Russian explanation of the event as their own incompetence started the fire which blew up their own ship. Take your pick!
April 14th update. The ship has sunk! While being towed to Sevastopol, the Moskva flopped over on it's side in rough seas and went down.
Nah na na nah! Nah na na nah! Hey, hey, hey, goodbye!
@@sleeplessknight99 Russian orders Spring 2022, build F Sev.
This presumed that the Moskva's systems actually still all worked... It would have ended much sooner it seems.
Plus there were only 3 Moskva class vessels built with only 2 still in service up against 21 still in service Ticonderogas... so in a realistic engagement it would likely be a 1:n challenge and the battle might have been more skewed. This even without the likely engagement of many assets of other classes.
I think we could project that all Russian naval assets are probably at well below 100% operational status - they have been starved of funds for decades and this was a "flagship" asset.
History takes sudden turns don't it.
FYI, from the reports I've watched the biggest downfall of the Moskva was the lack of water tight doors on the ship to stop the flooding...
And poorly trained crews, a lack of emphasis on damage control and fire fighting, and just poor maintenance.
@@nunya3163 So basically everything that would've been useful for keeping a ship afloat after taking damage.
What an embarrassment.
@@SuperVeeZee Yup, and the real shock, is that Russia is not alone in that respect. The U.S. and U.K. are rather unique in their focus on damage control, having shared the lessons of the past 100+ with one another.
Ships like the Stark, and the Cole would have almost certainly sunk in most other navies.
@@nunya3163 The Cole is the one I've talked about with coworkers when comparing the... stark (ha!)... differences between Russian and US/UK damage control practices. The Cole had a HUGE hole blown in the side of it. But the crew not only got the ship under control, it was probably still somewhat combat capable.
It's rather surprising that the attitudes of other navies differ in that regard. I would expect a navy with few large combatants, like Russia, to be VERY concerned with preserving that asset. But if they are concerned, it certainly doesn't show in practice.
@@nunya3163don't forget the Samuel B Roberts
I guess all it takes to sink the Moskva is a Ukranian Neptune anti ship missile lol.
And it's pronounced "Tie - con - der - row - gah"
I got my fair share of Hate pronouncing it but now I have seem to have gotten it
@@72ndVipers Sad people giving you shade over the pronunciation.
@@MrZonehawk If you can't say what you mean, you can't mean what you say.
@@MrZonehawk not being illiterate is such a high bar I guess
Ticonderoga also has torpedoes. Not a fair fight for the ruskies. Now they only have two. Taken out by a drone and two harpoon/neptunes.
I believe her torpedoes are ASW only
Fun fact: Moskva was sunk by getting struck with 2 Neptune missiles. Neptunes have a 330lb warhead. Harpoon missiles have 488lb warheads. 3 strikes here would be more than fatal.
Im not 100% convinced that would have been the case. The Neptunes hit her in the side while the Harpoons, attacking bow on, climb and dive which may well have set her on fire but would probably not have ripped the hull open. I was going to say, just look at the heavy cruiser HMS Exeter getting hit by seven 11" shells, or the 1600 ton destroyer HMS Onslow getting hit by three 8" shells. But then I looked up just how large the bursting charges were on those shells as opposed to the shell weight and theyre barely a tenth of the size of these missiles.
It's also believed that only one of the Neptunes detonated. As to the Harpoons coming down on the bow, it could have been as bad or worse. The Moskva had a lot of munitions on top. A hit from above, bow on, may well have caused major secondary detonations from hitting the Moskva's own missile batteries.
I work at a shipyard building Arleigh-Burke destroyers, our current Aegis missile ships. This was cool to watch.
I'm not gonna lie that sounds so fucking cool man
I was on a Ticonderoga, the uss port royal cg73. We were faster than 30 knots.
You can't travel faster than 30 knots when your ship is stuck on a reef.
this "WAS" an excellent ship.
We need to emphasize that part indefinitely
One of Ticonderoga Class Ships' mission was defense of the main carrier in the battlegroup. If needed, the ship would have tunred into the line of fire of an incoming threat and absorb the hit.
Really enjoyed this please make more!
Turns out the Moskva is a paper tiger. Next week's matchup will be against a pair of angry seagulls who will sink the Moskva with some well-aimed poop delivered dive-bomber fashion.
Don't be daft. Two seagulls. I live near a seaside and can say it would take more than two seagulls.
A small flock of 20 would've sunk it.
Although I would point out...there is no way any ship would take three hits from Harpoon missiles and remain operational.
That’s why a lot of the guns and stuff stopped working.
I agree with the commenter who said the program needed updating. The Ticos had at least four asm weapon types on board and possibly a 5th. The two 5" guns, Harpoon asm's, the Standard missiles in anti-ship mode and the mk 46 torpedoes. The 5th were the asm variant of the Tomahawk cruise missile, and Yes, they do still carry them and YES, they did carry them back then in a mix with SM's in the vls magazines. The Tomahawk asm had better than 4 times the range of the Harpoons and double the warhead size plus a much better guidance package.
here is the thing... the Ticonderoga class AEGIS is basically equivalent to a world-ranking supercomputer platform, and the Ticos have TWO CIC's from what I understand (so make that TWO world-ranking supercomputers)... that's why they can track and engage (according to publicly available info) 100 targets *simultaneously*. the Slava class cruisers S-300F battery is only capable of handling SIX targets at once from what I understand.
that's an insurmountable difference in processing power so long as the Tico has applicable weapons to use.
The Ticonderoga can even guide missiles from other ships. So it is not out of the fight when their own launchers are empty.
Russia is so good at making submarines that even their surface ships submerge when fired upon.
Are you judging by this game about Russian ships? In real life, everything would look much different, the ships are in no way inferior.
The Tyco speed is faster than 30 knots an the platform is in constant update
The reason why the Tyco was only going 30 or so knots was due to the sim
Love you DCS
Ty-kahn-de-ROH-gah. Named after a famous battle of the American Revolution where the American army, with militia, marched north through heavy snow to British held Ft. Ticonderoga in upper New York, captured it, then in an epic march south through the same deep snow, dragged the cannons on sleds to Boston, where General Washington had them deployed on the heights above Boston Harbor, threatening the British who were forced to abandon the city. I believe it was general Nathaniel Greene who was in command of that little exercise. He became the most trusted general in Washington's very shaky officer cadre.
Just a bit of historical trivia for those who care.
SM-2 has an anti ship mode
also the idea behind the sandbox was to launch them with other sandbox equipped ships all at the same time in effort to swam a u.s. carrier with as many missiles as they can in hopes of gettng a hit. sandbox missiles i think are big and obsolete and unless used how they was intended are useless....i mean they might work on a lesser navy but not the u.s. navy
awesome video kid! keep at it and have fun!
I love the way you say Ticonderoga. An interesting take. I dunno what the real way is either.
We could use SM-2 to engage surface combatants as well
indeed. Small warheads, but would cause chaos as the harpoons came in as well.
I was wondering if that was the case. Why waste a perfectly good missile when you can redirect it to the ship.
@@rogersmith573 the small warheads can still damage sensor system/fire control radar
I bet the Ticonderogas chances are even better now LOLOLOLOLOL
One other point, that several folks have mentioned previously, is that the anti-air supersonic SM2s would have likely have been used in the anti-surface mode once within radar line of sight as well. The AI may not have been programed to account for this option? Those very fast anti-surface mode SM2s would have likely achieved a mission kill on the Moskva well before before the second (and maybe even the first) 127mm cannon shells hit and certainly before the second was unmasked and completed the job.
If the Iowas had been refit to operate independently instead of as part of a carrier group and off shore artillery duty, it would have both Phalanx and Aegis systems. With these logical upgrades the one on one might look different. Most US war ships, are designed and equipped to operate as part of a group not alone. (excepting submarines) I'd like to see a carrier by itself vs a Kirov class.
As in a reply to someone else, I'll just copy/paste the info at the bottom with an emphasis on the video not accurately portraying the ship's offensive capabilities.
I love the old battleships as much as anyone and one of the four takes the name of my home state, but they had Phalanx and Tomahawks installed for Desert Storm in the early 90's and fired their 16" guns. The fact is, open sea and shore bombardment just doesn't warrant the running cost of such large specialized ships. The crew alone requires thousands, so that combined with diesel engines and running costs will be insane, second only to daily carrier operations I imagine. When there are numerous 127mm and 76mm cannons, along with 25mm and 30mm autocannons, plus multiple .50 cal machine gun posts throughout the strike group, in addition to no less than seven different types of missiles carried within your average strike group, either in dedicated launch tubes, RIM launchers, or VLS tubes including the capability to hit targets on the sea or land up to 1,000 miles at present (and newer missiles will offer ranges at 3,000 miles), there just isn't the demand for large guns at a large cost, with only four ships even available if they were all operational. That would result in combat availability of around 25% at most in any given theater and it would still have to travel with a carrier group for protection (especially versus subs and any massive time-on-target attack).
"The US Cruisers and Destroyers all carry up to two helicopters too. They have either a surface warfare or anti-submarine warfare weapons loadout and a suite of sensors, including surface radar and infrared sensors with data link back to the strike group. DCS also doesn't program in the fact the Cruiser's VLS tubes can fire Tomahawk Cruise Missiles and SM-2 missiles at surface ships. It doesn't rely purely on the 127mm guns and limited supply of harpoons."
1. The Moskva could ot fire sooner, because it could not see the Tico until it came over the Horizon. Neither ship can detect the other beyond line of site, without an air asset to give them over the horizon radar ccoverage.
2. The Moskva's 130mm cannons are not design for ship to ship combat, only for anit-air. When they were firing, they were trying to take out the incoming shells, not the TICO itself. That's why Tico was not damaged.
3. By waypointing the ships until they crossed, you prevented the A/I from maneuvering the ships to their best advantage. For instance, the reason that the Muskva's forward air defenses failed, is because a) The gatlings ran out of ammo, and the ship could not turn to bring other guns into the fight. b) The Harpoon where inside the range of the vertical launched missiles, and their close in air defense missiles are back near the hangar, they could no be brought to bear, do to lack of maneuver.
4) The SM2 has recently been tested in an anti-ship capacity.
riend what "other guns" do you think the russian ship had to bring to bear? Also the AEGIS uses satellites to see not just over the horizon but with a 1500 mile range missile onboard to see wherever on the planet they want to see.
@@daddski1 1) The Slaava class cruiser has 4 more banks of the Gatling air defense guns located mid-ship, 2 to port, and 2 to starboard. There are also two pop-up missile launchers located in the aft section by the hangar. These are for their close in air defenses, and would have been the primary anti-missile defense at these ranges. But, because they are not vertical launchers, you have to turn the ship to give them line of site to the target.
2) Clearly any satellite capabilities are not mapped into this simulator. Those capabilities are also not 100%, as you do not have 100% real time coverage of the entire planet. Also, in the simulation, they did not even use the helo which would also give them an over the horizon view.
Was an amazing ship, possibility. Not a great submarine, good for only one dive.
Agreeable
Tico should've been able to use the SM-2s as an anti-ship missile
The sim is just like that
In reality the SM-2 is a “ do everything “ type of missile
also the moskva should have use their s300 to destroy the missiles and also as antiship
@@ser43_OLDC Apparently those S-300s are just there for show and don't do anything.
@@Ben-bb7mi Everyone also seems to be forgetting the fact that the Ticonderoga has a very advanced passive electronically scanned radar in the SPY-1 / Aegis system. This provides a HUGE advantage over the basic/conventional radar and tracking systems on the Moskva; her systems are also independent and not nearly as integrated as a Ticonderoga or Arleigh-Burke.
Honestly an Arleigh-Burke destroyer should have been able to achieve the same outcome.
I'm not sure what era DCS is modeling here, but Harpoons were kind of an afterthought for the USN because the Soviets never provided a great deal of potential targets. The Ticos are now capable of carrying SM-6 missiles, which have a light anti-ship mode, and Block V Tomahawk missiles with an anti-ship mode. They may also stick around long enough to get the new stealthy Long Range Anti-Ship Missile. They also carry ASROC missiles, which drop anti-submarine torpedos, which theoretically should be able to hit surface vessels, or the Moskva specifically.
The Slava class cruisers have both S-NA-Grumble long range SAMs and S-NA-4 Gecko short range SAMs, so theoretically at least one should have fired at the Harpoons. They were coming in head on, so that may have been the issue there. Both vessels also have torpedo launchers, so if they got a little closer they could have used those.
Operationally, both ships would have probably been flying multirole helicopters, which would have extended their detection range of surface targets. The Moskva would have fired its antiship missiles earlier and ran. They were built for two roles, lobbing massive missiles at US carriers, and providing air cover for Soviet submarines to also lob massive missiles at US targets. The Ticos were designed to escort carriers and shoot down said missiles, so that carrier aircraft could successfully prosecute those firing them.
"hit surface vessels, or the Moskva specifically"
You'll need depth charges to hit the Moskva
The Mark 46 torpedoes carried by the Ticonderoga class are for anti-submarine work. The 533mm torpedoes carried by the Slava are for anti-surface ship use.
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Everything she said about Moskva aged like milk. Two subsonic missiles sunk her.
I'd love to see more modern naval vessels like this one fighting each other, now pit a surface action group, russian/chinese vs US, without any involvement of carriers or awacs, just a suggestion
US ships would get crushed. They are not made for such encounters
Depends on the weather, both will perform differently in different seas.
arent they all-weather
@@blisteringstars I live on my ship n international waters, all ships perform differently in weather. "All weather" is like the term "bullet proof". Having experienced both, let me assure you they are not.
Russian ships are much more powerful in the anti surface warfare mission than US ships because of the different philosophies of each navy. The US believe in the power projection capabilities of the aircraft carrier. Its escorts were all designed for one thing, to protect the carrier from air and missile attack and anti submarine warfare. Anti surface warfare is mostly a forgotten mission because carrier strike groups will project power and destroy Russian ships before they can get in range of their anti ship missiles.
Yeah they do have completely different Naval Doctrines
I personally prefer Russia's just due to the fact of they aren't relying on a single class of ship ( Aircraft Carriers )
but that they actually have variety.
I’m pretty sure that’s also why the Russians plan to put zircon on their subs mainly because of the fact they won’t survive
This is false destroyers can work independently or with a strike group and we succed inissile defense way more than the russians
@ELDEANTI Exactly! Russia can barely keep it's one carrier at sea for 1/2 the year, and their Naval aircraft have been plagued by problems. The Kuznitsov (sp) has a ramp instead of catapults, so it can't accommodate heavy fuel or weapons loads, and can't launch anything bigger than a fighter jet. They have no AWACS, no ability to differentiate friendlies from foes and use anti-air defense systems without shooting down their own planes, (one reason they can't achieve air superiority over Ukraine) and now we see how pitiful their fire fighting, and damage control abilities are. The damage looked severe, it is sad that Russian sailors died, but better them than the Ukrainian citizens on the receiving end of all the cruise missiles that won't be fired from Moskva.
@@72ndVipers though they rely on different surface combatants, one russian ship is equal to one aircraft from aircraft carrier.
Bet the Moskva wishes they would have launched their Grumble missiles on some Neptune's :)
Do you have a discord channel or something?
Sorry for the late response
Yes we do : It’s in the Link in the description
Thanks for watching :)
we need one with the Arleigh Burk class
Prophetic
Hey guys!
Just wanted to let you know there will soon be a rematch of this battle
Im obsessed with how she says TYPONAROLLKA
FYI. Ticonderoga is pronounced Tie-con-der-oh-ga, not Tee. You're killing me with that one! ;)
Whatever happened to the torpedos and cruise missiles of Tico?
This is just purely AI
I had no control and I am not sure that those are implemented into the sim yet
However I could be wrong ( probably am )
Ticonderoga class outguns the Muskov by a lot. The sm-2’s can also be anti-ship configured. It also has Harpoons and Asroc torpedoes and standard torpedoes. The Aeigis weapon system of far superior to what the Muskov has..200+ mile range 360 coverage, simultaneously scanning
One thing that is disappointing about DCS is that the SM-2 missiles do not have they're secondary anti-ship function modeled in game. The SM-2 has been used in combat against an Iranian vessel during the 1980's operation Praying Mantis. There was also an incident where an ESSM Evolved Sea Sparrow demonstrated it's own secondary anti-ship capability during an international exercise when it was accidentally launched and then locked onto a Turkish ship, striking the bridge.
Harpoon can be programmed not to jump up at the end. Grumble and osa can’t track above 20m height
Ticonderoga is pronounced Tai kaan de row guh. I made the mistake of mis-pronouncing that name to one of her sailors way back in the late 80's. The crew and the Navyy are proud of the ship's name sake.
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Last known speed for Moskova was “flank” but in a distinctive “dive/sinking” direction
they didn't shoot each other from 60 miles because they couldn't see each other from that far away. it's called radar horizon, the curvature of the earth blocks the view. Moskva's CIWS probably ran out of ammo after shooting down 5 or 6 Harpoons straight. Moskva for some reason fired its Sandbox missiles one by one making them very easy to shoot down; in reality they would have tried to get all their missiles to land simultaneously to saturate the air defenses of Tico. Tico would have done the same in return with the Harpoons. Moskva also has good air defense missiles of overlapping coverage, which it did not use for some reason. SM-2, SM-2ER, and SM-6 all have anti-surface modes, and Moskva has heavyweight torpedo tubes which it should be able to employ against surface ships. Also both ships have 1 or 2 helicopters but I believe only the Tico's birds have anti-ship capability
It is possible because of the approach angle the fire control radar for the air defense missiles of the Moskva were masked by the forward search radar in the simulation. Also the history of combat has shown that most missiles are actually defeated by electronic counter measures. Unfortunately the simulation for ships for DCS is rather rudimentary. Command: Modern Air Naval battles would probably do it much better.
Remember what happen with Yamato? Shes beautifull n mighty ,,, but i think Yamato battleship was Arm morethan the Russians ship today,,, Guess what ,, its takes a couple of minutes after sitting at the bottom the sea,,, whats the used of all that many guns ,rockets, missiles ? You can have all that arm but you still gona meet your brothers wsitinv for you at the bottom of the sea,,,
Yes,, the Americans build thier ship ,jst to carry enouph weapons for Air, sea , and land ...they may not arm as much as the Russians but they built thier ship for maneuver n fast...
Is it possible to go through the battle record to see if the AK-30s were destroyed while reloading, or if they were really out of ammo? I'm also pretty sure they should be scripted so that only one of them is firing at any given point, to provide coverage during reloading.
It might also be worth looking into which armaments the Grumbles are automated to respond, and at what range. It's possible that the Tico was already closer than the minimum distance when it started lobbing its Harpoons.
In real life, the ship would have turned away to gain distance for their defensive misslies, and to bring their other defensive weapons to bear.
True enough, there's only so much you can make a bot do without bogging down the simulation. Then again, there are militaries in this world that are so procedure bound that they follow their scripts without fail.
You wouldn't exactly see a Ticonderoga by itself in the wild, either.
I might have missed it, but did the Ticonderoga Class ship use any ASROC's?
Splitting hairs here, but pronounced as "Tyco" for short.
The Russians/Soviets are all about hit hard and hit fast, not too much on defense.
Basically running both ships in a straight line . Ciws on the Russian ship is out of ammo . But turning the Moskva either port or starboard would unveil additional 2 ciws on each side making the Moskva able to defend against all of the harpoons launched by the Ticonderoga.
Additional point here , how is the Russian gun not even able to land a single shot on the Ticonderoga. Accuracy is one thing but is dcs biased ? .
Its not bias its accurate as it is in real life, russia hasn't been known to have accurate aim on their system. They cant even intercept the ukrainian neptune that hit it on its portside so all of your arguments is invalid
well DCS isn't a naval sim, there's def issues with how these ships behave. Makes you wish for a real modern naval sim though
RIP Moskva
Moskva, that's a weird name for a coral reef.
It is the "Moskva" which will attack first, not by itself approaching the enemy, but by launching its helicopter so that it, flying level with the water towards the American cruiser, serves as a relay for the guidance of the missiles from the Russian cruiser. Only the helicopter will be in danger, the large P-1000 missiles doing the work of destruction.
Except the US Cruisers and Destroyers all carry up to two helicopters too. They have either a surface warfare or anti-submarine warfare weapons loadout and a suite of sensors, including surface radar and infrared sensors with data link back to the strike group. DCS also doesn't program in the fact the Cruiser's VLS tubes can fire Tomahawk Cruise Missiles and SM-2 missiles at surface ships. It doesn't rely purely on the 127mm guns and limited supply of harpoons. Finally, it's not mentioned specifically in the video, but the Russian ship ran out of munitions for all of the weapons systems which stopped firing, including the CIWS which is why a few got by at the end. Reload times in real life are at minimum 30-minutes, although I don't know the specific timing.
R.I.P
And to be fair....the Tico couldve added a few SM's as offensive weapons once the P500s were exit.
It's unfair to oppose a cruiser to a submarine.
Think of it as a reef. Reefs are very dangerous to surface ships.
Ticonderoga is more capable than RF Varyag but RF Varyag was designed to destroy a fleet but Ticonderoga is the best for launching any types of Missile and intercepting ballistic missile
In today's " day and age " that is what it is all about
Thanks for watching though
And what can this Ticonderoga do to the Varyag in real life? Since he is stupid for protection ... there is less chance of surviving.
thats accurate
should've approached with Moskva on the starboard side to open up the aft gun sooner.
Long range means zero if you have no airborne radar and they are limited to curvature range
This was actually unrealistic engagement because Moskva didn't shoot the Sandboxes in a salvo and she didn't shoot them at an optimal distance which would be around 200 nm so that they could form a pack under Ticos radar horizon. Secondly it's weird that her twin 130 mm did so little damage. Thirdly, both cruisers should be armed with torpedoes. In real life engagement, Moskva would shoot a salvo and run away.
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Completely agree with you
It’s just how the game is modeled
I can't argue with this. I expect Tico would still have been able to down all the missiles 2 SM-2's firing per missile. The ship is made for just that job as fleet defense. `Why it would ever close to gun range is just crazy. Use the SM-2 and keep firing groups on the ship until your out of them. Likely to damage something, but also unlikely to score a kill.
The Tidonderogas have MK32 triple torpedo launchers on either side amidships
Considering the Tichonderoga class can track 100 targets at once, it doesn't matter if Moskva fired all her Sandboxes at once, none would get through.
@@SelfProclaimedEmperor Obviously much has changed in the recent times because Moskva is now at the bottom of the Black sea. But being able to track doesn't equate to being able to shoot down. Nobody imagined that two Neptunes would sink the Moskva class cruiser, so sixteen Granits could very well sink a Ticonderoga.
The Russian ran out of ammo. A twin barrel cannon can blow through its ammo quick.
I personally would’ve waited to open up at a much closer range so you can deal a lot of damage
Due to large calibers being less “ accurate “
Thanks for watching o7
Moskva: I am the Pride of the Rus...
Ticonderoga: SMELLS LIKE BITCH IN HERE
They sholdnot be compare becouse Moskva now is submarine :D
You can forget about the MOCKBA...
Да, действительно, «Москва» - это затонувшее судно, которое не поднимется. Спасибо за просмотр
one us cruiser got one shot by a mine so its basically a draw and depends who gets the first shot
Moskva vs Ticonderoga: who will win?
Answer: Ukraine
You can't loose a fleet battle if you don't have a fleet)
The friendship of the people will win.
It's pronounced more like TYCHO not TICO. Navy Vet. Good video nonetheless. That same pronunciation carries through if you use the full name of the ship class like TYCONDEROGA. The I sounds like a Y.
These ships wouldve fired long before over a few hundred at least with the cruiser and its ageis satalite and now they have the sm3
This foretold the future.
That pos is already sitting at the bottom of the black see, but it's not 1v1, it's 3v20. The USA numbers are crazy. Well now it's actually 2v20.
the amazing ship it's on the bottom of the Black Sea. I hope that's not how an amazing ship must perform :)))))
Moskva should have engaged the Harpoons with HIS (not hers, the Russians assign masculine pronouns to ships) Grumble AAMs (those are in the VLS silos between the stacks). Tico should have crossed the T - i.e. turned to port or starboard - to limber up her aft gun when she got inside gun engagement range.
I believe that they were already too close for the Grumbles. Once they fired their offensive missiles, they needed to turn tale and get distance. Also, their short range defense missiles are in pop-up launches, in the aft section.
@@nunya3163 Naw, Arming range on the S-300 is 5KM. I wasn't even thinking about the Geckos (Forgot about their existence - where were they in the fight?)
I think the Slava self-identifies as the 'bitch' now
@@rdr8147 Not bitch... BOTTOM (as in... On The...."
chances are the 1st harpoon to land a hit destroyed the 2 forward ciws and with the moskva unable to train its remaining 2 towards the threat and the s300 launchers not responding in any way the moskva was doomed. in reality tho it wouldnt have played out that way. i would assume the captain of the moskva was at least somewhat competent and would have angled the ship to allow another ciws to engage the incoming threat
Its not a fair fight because the Tico lacks depth charges...
DCS doesnt model one important weapon on the Slava class. Its 533mm torpedo tubes.
SM-2's can be used as anti-ship in a pinch...why isn't the Chosin firing harpoons from the VLS???
At 13:40 it looks like the c ram is out of ammo
This Russian ship is now at the bottom of the Black Sea.
Sm2 can be used against surface targets.
I'd like to dive the Moskva one day. How deep is it now?
The tieconderoga is pronounced like tie- conder (just like condor the bird but with er at the end) and oga (pronounced like Olga without the l)
Did you totally forget how many Tomahawks that cruiser carries?
I was on the Ticonderoga, and my only request is study up on your weapon platforms, systems and you're annunciation, nomenclature, before you make a video. Also you sound like a criminal and cheerleader
Other than that well done