Could A Single B-1R Destroy An Entire Chinese Carrier Group? (WarGames 91) | DCS
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The B-ONE-R... I swear this thing was probably named by an E4
E-4 mafia… the Fat Electrician
Always the E4's
Funny you say that, its actually was a concept that originated in the enlisted ranks and was sent up the chain to see if it was viable.
The soliders who watched enemies get bombed said that they got BONEd made even better but this designation
@@PracticalReformation The buck stops with with the President.
The idea of 12+ stealth missiles talking to each other to decide who gets blown up.....haven't felt that kind of fear in a while.
13:54 Grim Reapers, take a bow for that beautiful shot of you all swinging in on Cap's six. Maybe you don't think about it because you're just on it and grinding these days, but that kind of coordination doesn't just happen. You're flying, and developing software, and creating serious and silly content for all of us to relax with and enjoy. Thank you, I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates it.
You are indeed, not.
couldnt agree more
Agreed.
I am the new guy but not shy. Definitely, agreed, your confidence that something will go xyz and it does quite a lot. It is a blessing!
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The AirForce donated a B1b to a technical college I think in Kansas, and they’re going to completely disassemble it and scan it in 3D to try to identify ways to keep them airborne for cheaper going forward.
That's cool but what do you mean keep it cheaper when we already have the know how?
I hope the Raider is as promising as the brass make it out to be but the AF loves to toot their own horn.
I think the niche the B1 fills is nice to have. Perhapse the are waiting to design a new low flying super/hypersonic aircraft that relies on speed more than stealth.
Of course in a real situation B1s would be flying with a system of other craft.
Well there should be a Chinese student or 2 that'll love that.
@Jake's Tutorials Almost certainly Wichita State University's National institute for Aviation Research. The NIAR Aging Aircraft Research Lab is one of the most interesting "unsexy" research labs doing very impactful work for the aviation industry.
Why when they’re being retired in just a few years?
@@foxglow6798 And so technically are the F-117's, yet funny enough guess what are still being flown in much reduced capacity? It's more of a kept as emergncy reserve situation.
How about a redo when you don’t know the approx vector the LRASMs would take? Like nobody can launch until the AWACS sees the B1R and then, like in real life, you’d likely have to fan out to find them as there’s no true idea when / where they would be launched.
I had the idea of having a few aircraft like 3 airborne doing CAP, where after AWACS detects the B1R they are vectored in and the ship scrambles more aircraft. If the missiles were launched from a stealthy platform like the B-2 or F-35 then I’d assume the odds are heavily stacked in the attackers favor.
yeah knowing where the bomber is going to launch make everything very easy
Imaging if the Boner instead has a mix load of LRASM and JTAM and under AWACS support...
Well in real life it would be 052D and 055 in the fleet, and considering China target practice with stealth target drones like CH-805 the ships will probably do a lot more than in the sim.
@@vlhc4642 assuming it can do the same thing as this missile and works as advertised
I wouldn't mind seeing this with 2 B-1R, 1 anti air and 1 anti ship, just to make everyone fight for life and Honor. Love everything you all do here, I try to never miss a day. Much gratitude for the fun from Nebraska.
Heard a low rumble one day and I looked up to see a B1 flying towards me. Headed just east of me towards the mountains, it lit its after burners and rocketed it up and over the mountains out of sight. What a glorious glorious sound! Never heard anything like it since.
sounds like something true
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How about two other B1’s coming in from different vectors behind the first one. The defending planes could be drawn off while the other missiles come in from different directions.
US would feint the attack with drones. Saturate the enemy radar with contacts so they wouldn't know which attack was the deadly one.
Give them each a rotary launcher of AIM 260
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I remember being deployed at Al Udeid where thesde B1s were taking off. My job was military police and we patrolled the flight line. Well, there was this one spot where you could get maybe 500 feet from the run way. We decided to park there and watch one of these take off. Big mistake. That damn plane was so fricken loud. Felt like the little Ranger pickup were were in was going to fall apart.
Oh setting at the Hammer Head, this was hands down the best place to watch them take off!
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Can also confirm. Indeed badass. Standing on the perch where the little tower was sitting....amazing spot when all 4 burners were lit.
@@Hand6108 My best expericne was during OOD, we had a broke jet setting on the middle taxiway. That just happend to be where the jet would hit "rotate", it was so much louder and violent than the perch.
@@Conway16o Hell yeah. There weren’t too many locations where it wasn’t badass. I was a crew chief on the B-1. Was there ‘10-‘11. Another spot was just off the end of the runway. You could feel the heat.
Here's an idea (but it'll take a lot of research and calculation!) Each aircraft shows a running total of the COST of any 'fuel' used, running in the corner. Afterburner? the total rises almost exponentially!! Any bombs, cannon shots fired, causes the total to rise accordingly. It would be quite an eye opener!
Huh. This can be done with "unit cost" calculation. Every G pulled has its cost too. Basically anything has its cost
@@arpioisme Yes, but it would be nice to see it build up in real time. It'd be a real eye-opener!
yes AGM-158C's do also have ESM too it says so on its offcal wiki page too
they also have rader wingiering recevers to so they will know if your trying to lock on and fire missle on them.
AGM-158C's also got pasive radar homering too so big ship radars will also make them seak thsoe big radar ship sistems too
aslo they will also trun toards any supsios radar emmsions near by and them if they find a foe when they get close then they will actvily then atcak activly
(Looks sideways at LRASM) “clever girl” BOOM
A redo with air launched decoys mixed into the missile stream? Perhaps multiple B-1R's with a mix of decoys and missiles firing on different axis and a time difference between launches. The first launch attracts the defenders and decoys them out of position for the second attacker, with decoys to confuse any goal keeper patrol.
More carrier command someday? Maybe 2v2?
You could also set a trap with some F-35's flying at 30k over top of the LRASM's waiting to pounce on the response force from the carrier group. Chinese are busy worried about the missile's when all of a sudden AIM's start dropping on their heads.
I was really hoping they were going to modify some of the B-1B's to the R version for specific arsenal ship duties. If they were to upgrade the engines to something more powerful and efficient, along with a ne V-tail design to decrease their RCS, then it would be a pretty nice asset to have.
Try 2: Is it possible for you to give us a battle between USAF (F-15, F-16, F-22)versus US Navy(F-18 Superbug, F-35 B/C) in which both parties are trying to get air superiority to destroy each other's ground/sea assets?
That shouldn't be a fair fight
carrier based aircraft are almost always some compromiss, they must survive harsh sea conditions, and be able to do almost every mission, but USAF use more specialised machines and units.
So even if i like Hornet, it wouldn't be a fair fight against F-15, even F-35 against F-35 wouldn't be fair, cos USAF A variant is superior, let alone F-22.
@@valuedhumanoid6574 aren't most videos posted just for fun and comparisons? It still a decent request, and the likes prove it. We've had American carrier groups versus older American carrier groups here. So a battle between two military branches of America won't cause any harm to anyone
Cool idea.
As a former weapons loader on Dyess B-1s, the bomb bay doors will not open while at supersonic airspeed. And they will not open to the full position when dropping missiles. But the B-1 is one of the
loudest birds I have ever heard in full burner. The F-111 has it beat, but just barely. Thanks for the DY tail code!
Now imagine a re-engined Bone with 4 x F135 PWs pumping out 43,000lbs each.
I got a B one R looking at that lsram shot, thank you vvvvv
hey agm-158C's also got jam restant gps/ insntal gidace and infeiad imageing with seaking too you know. so even if there no data link it will still have its own bulit in trakeing you too you know. it also says so on its offcal wiki page aobut the AGM-158C.
also if the eanmy trys to ping them with radaer they will sudnly act like a harm missle if pinged with missle taking and long range radairs tryingto ping them will also agro agm-158C's
1 B2 Spirit or the new Raider full load out of LARASMs vs Carrier group with CAP up and on patrol please !
Very entertaining. I got a great laugh out of the carrier landings at the end
21:25 and if you know, that they are coming...
Nice way to answer the questions! You guys are so funny, too. Thanks for making me chuckle.
Would be awesome to see this rerun with a B-21 Raider!
Does the B-21 obsolete the B-1R concept? Or is there still need for this high payload plane that can strike from a standoff range (80-100mi) or with other planes clearing the airspace first?
these naval battles and carrier group battles need subs....................
8:54
>*CIWS firing*
>massive THONK noise
>look to the left
>huge missile sticking out of the hull and poking into the compartment
>it’s free real estate
12:46 yup lol it's just one of them, received The WS-10B
To answer your question Cap, who is seeing them are recon birds in high orbit, many geosync over these conflict/projected conflict areas, tracked 24/7 whether on operations of simply sitting in port, it's why datalink is so important for F-35 and F-22, Seawolf Fast Attacks, etc. Command and control platforms combined with satellites, means that the ingress can be radio and emissions silent, no radar, no sonar. No searching, you just stay on the updated data link intel as the mission progresses, staying clear of enemy sensors that can burn through your stealth/countermeasures.
Try it with the BONE-R coming in from a random direction.
I worked on the B-1B, B-52H, and FB-111A, and was stationed at RAF Lakenheath back in the late 1990s. I do other things now. Try adding 2 flights of “AI” F-16s as sacrificial drones that get the potential J-15s to launch early to intercept the 2 F-16 flights before the LRASMs are set to strike.
Neat side note.. when you mentioned gaining tech from unexploded ordinance, that's exactly what happened with the sidewinder missile. Awesome story you can find from Sandboxx news..
The sexy landing mishaps was the most entertaining part of this episode.
The landings at the end had my LOL'ing! Thanks!
All of your commentary, and personalities make this even more enjoyable to watch than the actual footage. Haha.
OMG...this was the mission I asked for in comments of last B1R GR mission....I will watch later...hope it has the data linking from F35!!!
I asked for it as well. Great to see it happen
Some long hours fixing B-1s deployed. I've been caught in the exhaust blast, super surreal experience those things are crazy powerful!
I have often wondered about a squadron of Bones loaded with every modded Harpoon in the stockpile scouring the seas clean.
Subsonic ASMs just aren't survivable in the 2020s. At just 12 mile horizon distance modern ship AESAs can burn through any stealth, and against subsonic targets 12 miles is at least a whole minute of engagement window for ship missile defence. AESAs with beamforming also have practically unlimited illumination and fire control channels to engage simultaneously arrivals, and Chinese VLS uses concentric canister launch so firing rate aren't limited by common exhaust channel overheat like on Mk-41.
B1R themselves can also be detected very far out, so if they need to fly high and fast to obtain max LRASM range of say 300 miles, that also risk putting them within PL-15 range of the carrier's fighter screen.
Sure Harpoons are old. I am just saying a Bone could drop enough to where quantity overwhelms quality. CIWS can only do so much against ten, a dozen Vampires regardless of speed or high G.
I love these videos. You guys cracked me up. You guys are aces in the air until you have to land.
You should fly this mission with two autonomous teams. Knowing the exact direction of the attack and a lack of fighter cover seems unrealistic
Very much enjoyed, thank you!
If the model has J-15's ~1 ft AESA detecting LRASM at 20 miles, it doesn't make sense that 052C/D with ~14 ft AESA can't detect or engage any LRASM at ~12 miles horizon distance, which is more than a minute of engagement window for a subsonic target.
Note how much the price of F-35 has come down as development costs are paid off. Price also includes 20-30 years service as I recall.
Actually we bought 100 of the B-1B, a few were lost to accidents, the USAF keeps about 50 of them flying, the ones in the boneyard in Arizona can be brought back to flying status and mission capable in short order, but are mainly used for parts availability.
If a carrier group was targeted in real war, then there likely would be a few bombers from different directions.
Definitely, if anyone was planning to attack a CSG they would definitely try to make sure it will go down. Otherwise they would only piss it off. That's not in the scope of this video though. This video is about whether a single B1R could take out an entire CSG. And yes, it can so long as the carrier doesn't get to scramble fighters in time.
And there wouldn’t be ten fighters going to kill them all
yes a Carrier (other than a SSBN) would be the US's highest PRC priority to knock out on sea so they would most likely send up F35s/B1s/B52s and tons of Jamming and Decoys. Also not to forget any US Hunter killer subs in the area including ship launched missiles as well. This video is a cool representation but the US would not Risk just 1 bomber with such a simple attack pattern. The PLN would never bring its carrier fleet in open blue water because it knows the entire Atlantic and Pacific is run by US/NATO navies.
Long range bombers with long-range missiles from multiple directions 🤔 *GG* 🍿
Yeah it definitely would have been a far more complex strike group going against the carrier than just one bomber
Arrrrrrrr! Matey! Shiver! Me! Timbers! (I have the same problem with Alan... it always sounds like Ellen) 🤣
Why not try to kill the AWACS? If it is nailed before the missiles lock onto the enemy ships, the missiles are neutralized...I think.
Awesome! Thanks y’all 👍
The B1 can approach the carrier group at the top of the waves they can use tomahawks. If you’re launching from altitude the B2 would be the better platform. Satellites can send the way points and targeting data.
top notch Sir! Well done, carry on!
So it seems it might make sense to try to get the enemy aircraft to commit much of their force in the wrong direction. For example, B1R strike comes in from Guam, as a B2 flanks from Alaska. Perhaps the B1R, to the great consternation of the J-20s, would be carrying AIM-260s instead of LRASM, then the B2 comes in with the LRASMs from another direction. You might also consider having F-22s escort the LRASMs in, and pick off any Chinese aircraft that attempt to intercept them.
B1R: The diversion you can't afford to ignore.
Or 2 B-1R from the same direction, one loaded with LRASM snd the other with AIM-260
Oh man too op
@@Mobius118 Maximum probability of victory, at minimum rick of loss of allied men and materiel.
Was next to a runway where a B-1 took off and then did a low flyby. Loudest engines ever!
Watching the B1 take off circle over head, fold in its wings and hit the four afterburners at an air show is a thing to behold. Watched it from a boat on Tampa bay slicing through big puffy clouds.
5:57 I live literally across the street from the Boneyard. I see it every day.
Be interesting to see how both incoming and air defence would be affected by proper wave/sea conditions, rather than a smooth flat surface as here. It would affect the cruise height and therefore detection/interception maybe?
10:33 Nice to see Mr Eddy Wally again 😁
Will you guys be updating the flight characteristics of the F-35 to be more realistic? The F-35 is able to fly to its full potential now and has been doing some insane moves at airshows. As in F-22esque types of maneuvers. Combined with a HOBS AIM9x and HMD, it should be the most deadly plane in the sky right now. What are your thoughts? Thanks guys!
I downloaded the new mod and hop in and my plane is always nose heavy. Same with you?
The F-35 should also get towed decoys.
I doubt it TBH. We're pretty much using them as missile trucks in GR.
That's a shame. It'd be a great addition. A real competitor for SU-57, Typhoon, SU-35, and maybe even a challenge for the F-22.
@Roger Smodher Yeah but that is because it is more of a gen 4.5 than 5. Its radar cross section is literally 1000s of times larger than the f35. Nobody really dogfights so manueverability is a lot less important.
In the second round the J-15s did more damage to the carrier than the JAASMs lmao
B-1R and LRASM vs IADS! I loved those IADS videos even the silly ones.
Nice
Worked on the Bone. Could be miles away but if they were running afterburner on the ramp for testing you'd here it. If you were in a building a couple blocks down you'd have to wait until you could talk even with all the doors closed.
Well, they all would be put in the bone yard when the B-21 comes into full force. I mean we will have 100 of them and I cannot wait to see it on December 2nd. Again guys another great vid keep knocking it out the park.
B-ONE-R
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They knew exactly what they were doing.
Would luuuuuve to see the b21 do something Like this. Need a b21 model or mod in the future!
From playing Harpoon in the past, I would have two to three 4 fighter AAW CAP set up anywhere from 40 to 80 NM away from the CVN along a 150 degree circle covering the threat vector with intermittent sensors or emissions.
Satellites can be used to monitor the ships and update the missiles through a data link.
You should add an F-35 escort, they would probably wipe the Chinese fighters out of the sky. Also use a more realistic scramble time. I doubt that many fighters could get airborne that quickly
Maybe a dumb question, but if the bomber flew in an arc with the target ships abeam and released its missiles more slowly, so that they were homing in on the targets from around that arc, would the CAP still be able to stop all or most of the missiles? Seems having the missiles coming in from half or a third of the compass would be an impossible defensive task.
When it comes to military hardware, quantity has a quality all of its own.
At about (07:20) you talk about radar acquisition, but I would _speculate_ that during a period when the U.S. is actively engaging enemy fleets, that both undersea and satellite assets would be released to assess where enemy ships are (and their type based on propulsion acoustic waveform envelopes and visual cues) and feed these data to the missiles to allow better targeting...long before radar capture and ID are needed. Indeed, these may help the missiles be even more stealthy and reduce the need for a missile's active radar by remotely providing individual ship IDs and close approximations of individual positions,. The missiles might even be capable of executing final approaches based on visual IDs.
I was literally reading an article about the J-15 engines being replaced by indigenous ones, right as you mentioned it…lol!
I’m wondering IF you can replace the warheads of 4 of the ASM’s with a jammer to accompany the flight as penetration aids ?? They would come on when they are detected. Also you dont scramble till AWACS warns you of incoming ASM but you still have 4 on CAP and 2 ready 5
I actually really like the Boner. The proposed V-tail would have made it a very distinctive silhouette in the air, and the Boner would have had enough upgrades that it could conceivably have the sort of longevity the BUFF currently has.
Also, the fact that everyone would have started calling it the Boner pretty much the second it rolled out of the hangar, if not before.
On this video you were spot on in every thing you said
That was Really awesome! The standard B-ONE can also carry 24 LRASM!
If flying directly at the missiles realistic though? Would the Chinese have been aware that sort of salvo is what is happening in order to plan a LRASM intercept.
I would imagine that when any airborne missile is launched that you would like the missiles to swarm the enemy all at once. Sort of a time on target I believe. An easy way to manage this would be to have the B1 launch the missiles perpendicular to the target instead of head onto target. The LRASM's would correct course to target and more or less all arrive at the same time plus from slightly different vectors. You could also program the missiles to do the same, but it seems simpler to launch perpendicular.
LRASM has kind of AI capability to cover each other and carry some attach tactics.
Nice show GR.
the carrier landing was hilarious
From my point of view, all that we would need to do is fly two of the B-1Rs up to altitude/speed, let them perform an attack run without dropping any missiles. The enemy group will see these two attack runs and scramble to intercept. Defending two different attacking aircraft from a carrier with finite fighter support will be difficult but, possible. However, it will also draw them away from the real threat. Meanwhile, the two B21s or B2s will be flying an attack run from some other directions and actually launching missiles. 24 to 48 inbound missiles will be nearly impossible to stop from an undetected approach. Run this scenario and observe the results.
9:55 lookin' like an Ace Combat 7 episode!
You guys are more dangerous to your fleet than a squadron of B1s.
agree
Cool video this is a man’s video game and I love it I’m sure it’s way above my skill set with computers but fun to watch
Now, can you defend against multiple launches from multiple directions? Maybe include a fake launch a la Clancy.
I think it is the most beautiful plane in the world. And it is an actually a great platform for bringing long range weapons to the fighting area and allow the F-35 or the F-22 to take control of the arms from he aforementioned planes and launch them once the fighter aircraft empties his payload and can use the B-1’s weapons as its own. Which keeps the B-1 safe out of the enemies fighting box and allows the more sophisticated aircraft the ability to have more and various weapons at its disposal. A win win so to speak.
In real life these missiles would approach from multiple directions
A B1 described as a "Fighter Bomber", Hilarius. Cant wait for footage of its dog fighting ability. DOG being the relative word as to its maneuverability.
I love the B-1R concept videos cap! oh also, The Official Simba Fan club cannot wait to see Simba vs the rest of GR with Simba flying the Raider!
Wow, very interesting... I suppose that might be why they went with the B-21 Raider
Would the LRASM have onboard jammers when at the terminal phase ? That would seem like a good idea...
Nah. thats space that could otherwise be used for more explosives or fuel for range. And the way these work, a jammer would just give them away. They arent worried about being locked up because they are so low and fast that you don't have time to do anything with that lock. If you want to get a jammer into the mix, I'd imagine some airman could rig you one with the warhead replaced by a radar emitter though. So, who knows.
While the lower RCS would help with jamming it still have to fight the power output of the ship radar.
Ship radars are enormously powerful and would burn through that jamming at long range.
It is a bit like trying to drown out the sound of a rock concert with the speakers on your mobile phone..
Landing B1 on a carrier would be fun. André
Great video but how would you know exactly in the wide ocean where the LRASM's would be?
I like how ya'll did more damage than the missiles on the second run.
Don't think it can be done with one plane, could be wrong, I got to watch to the end to find out.
Keep up the good work, guys!!
I hope to see you guys do more carrier simulations, maybe a 2v2 carrier simulation with one modern and one old group each, like USN 2020's/1990's vs PLAN 001/003 groups, or Russia with Kuznetsov/Shtrom, or another country's carriers...
Yeah if 2 B-1R attacked from different directions then they would have to split interceptors
You might get a different result if there were decoys mixed in with the real weapons or some kind of electronic warfare that either hid the real missiles behind a wall of static or presented dozens of false targets.
Probably subsonic while gliding as sound speed is higher in upper atmosphere?
because of the fuel problem, the fighters CAN NOT under any circumstances allow any of the LRASM's to bet past them, they will NOT be able to chase them down in time if they get past the fighters, they can not afford to use the afterburners to run the missiles down.
I lived on Tinker the B1 is loud. Always thought the ejection escape pod thing on these was cool.
it was smooth on paper, but we forgot about the ravines
12:00- would that ramp be a weakness if attacked during a battle? could planes still take off from it without the ramp?
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