I made the same comment 1yr ago and got so much hate. Chinese or not we need more options than small displacement parallel twins. I've been riding for 30yrs and never felt like we were going backwards with engine performance until this parallel twin craze. They're budget with lame character no mater how good the chasis or fancy electronics
@@davidlagno7717 ..I have to agree with you. Although I like the personalities of all engines for their different sounds and characteristics, we know the reason for the parallel twin craze. Cheaper to produce = slightly more profit margin for the manufacturer, easier to maintain, better gas mileage, lower insurance cost for the customer...usually. I have a parallel twin and 4 cyl in the garage, just missing a 3 cyl and this may be the one to get. There's a CF Moto dealership less than 5 miles from me... so the 675 is calling my name 🙉
Ive been a suzuki user for a decade and a cf moto user for a year. Im not gonna lie but cf moto is keeping up with the branded company. I'll go for cfmoto in this category.
i have always loved suzuki's more alien-ish look to their bike. 1300 and 1000 sure went to the extreme in that aspect, but this 8R just hits the right spot for me with its black eyeliner look
You didnt understand, its not about price its about image. No bike should corrode in short amount of time, screws shouldnt loose, pint shouldnt degrade on every cc model etc.
@@olafdiers3613agreed with you bro. My first bike was a cbr500r and currently owned a 450sr (I'm a returning rider). Both bikes are entry level bikes so it's quality pretty much the same but the finishes of cfmoto is seems more polished to me.
@ Man that’s 2025, ride by wire, cruise control and a blipper is a must have feature for a sport oriented bike. And let’s not talk about an aluminum frame and a goddamn higher clip ons, like WTF?! even motogp bikes have higher clip-ons and better rider triangle.
Parallel twins have no character and I'm just glad there's some more options out there. Chinese or not. Everyone has a budget and I'm a true enthusiast, I respect anything on 2 wheels. But yea , we've come so far we need variety like we've had since the 60's and 70"s and the mind-blowing technology and speed of the late 90's and 00's.
@samwiselord Yes they do. Absolutely. But not enough to take over the entire Japanese market and deprive us of real outstanding bikes that broke barriers like the R6 and R1. R6 is gone and R1 I'm surprised is still on the floors for 2025. There's nothing mind-blowing about any of these par twins. They're way overpriced idc what chasis you slap it in. To me it's just a toy. Maybe KTM has something going on but they're overpriced and QC is garbage. There was no need to flood the entire market. The MT-07 was enough.
@@davidlagno7717 yeah always good to have a wide selection to suit needs and likes, hopefully KTM having something going on and they don’t go bust as I hear they are struggling atm with big financial loses.
@samwiselord I think they're too important in the motocross world that they can stay afloat. I love KTM for the balls they have not just putting out these comfortable all rounders. Every engine layout they use is extreme and I'd be really disappointed without them the way things are going.
True. I am not a fan of twins as well. I can go atlease a 3cyl. Im not also a fan of cross plains. I just don like the sound lol but the power is i think what the cross plain is known for but the sound sucks for me
This parallel twin craze has devastated me over the last decade. I'm just glad to have more options. I'd buy a used 600 Inline-4 over any twin no matter what chasis they slap it in. So glad to have other options Chinese or not. At least some engineers are thinking outside the box.
This is a tough call. GSX8R has some of the fastest torque available period, and the ride-by-wire with autoblip, but is it realllly necessary when you can torque through everything and stay in the same gear? idk. But damn, that is a sexy looking CFMoto, it looks like an alternate universe Kawasaki. I usually think silver/grey bikes look like E-bikes but they created a nice looking color scheme with heavy black. GSX-8R looks a little funny to me and has a tiny butt. My back would regret it, but I think I'd chose the CFMoto
I wish cf moto release its naked version. I don't really like racing posture on street, My ride route is around 200+KM and majority of it is twisties and it's killing my back lmao
Yeah I wish the CFMoto were a little more relaxed like the zx4rr. 200km is a longgg way on a supersport seat. I like the option of sitting up and riding one-handed sometimes, longest I went is 5 hours on the zx4rr before my back had enough, which is equivalent to like 2 hours on an aggressive seating position
modern bikes basicallly alll have perfect or very close to perfect gearing so we can almost completely ignore this factor as predictor of performance with some exceptions 👌🏻🍿
@@mociczyczki idk it really depends on the company. CFMoto's 450cc inline 4 is only a few horsepower more than Kawasaki's 399cc, and weighs 14 pounds more. Essentially 12.5% more engine size for near 0 power increase. If Kawasaki made a 450cc inline 4 I'd bet my ass it's faster than their 399cc. Idk how the 675 dynos, but the 8R has a _lot_ of bikes under its curve so it's definitely nice for quick torque. But that 675 does look amazing
@@amisfitpuivk kawa have ninja 500 454 ccm engine 👌🏻 similar power to sr 450 those bike are a2 restricted so i wouldnt look for topend power for unlimited cstegory in those bikes 😉👍🏻
I’m in love with my 450Ss. Just not sure, since newer street bike company here in the U.S, as what the longevity is going to be compared to the big Japanese brands.
CFMOTO should add another cylinder to this engine and make it 900cc with about 160hp-180hp, and try to get the 1290 engine from KTM and make a hyper naked bike. I love how they priced this and the 800NK about the same, 2 choices for whoever wants them, revvy 3 cylinder and torquey big 2 cylinder. I'm looking forward to a hyper naked bike with 1290 KTM engine and 900cc sports bike, both price about $15k.
It’s cheaper, but that does come with some reliability and after-sale service issues. Still, I’m really excited to see them become more established globally, then the Japanese brands will have to watch out!
Well you should look up how cfmoto came to be they have KTM build quality bc they have KTM patents they had a deal with KTM a while ago like early 2000s and ik KTM isn't Japanese lol
Cfmoto has been known to be reliable. Thousands of them on the roads with no issues. Ride one and see. They ride and the fit and finish are as good or better then the Japanese bikes they compete against. My son rides his 450ss daily and over 3k miles in one summer with no issues
CF moto really knows what people want & turn them into bikes.a sort of a successor or follow up to the much beloved daytona 675.triumph had the chance but blew it with a diffirent daytona.now CF moto opens its doors to those who are willing to try the brand.brilliant marketing strategy.at this price its easily ah big YES for the 675sr for me.
its already disrupting the resell value of the big boys lol..If you think about it, who would wanna buy a 150cc r15, gsxr150, cbr 150 pricing around 140k-170k when you have the sr300 which is the same freaking price. and the HP is 28. LOL. 155cc r15 19 horse power is a freaking joke and going 180k pesos.
As a GSX-8R owner, i love my 8R. Similar to the Aprillia, you’re paying for the higher quality parts and technology. Its not great for track but I daily my bike and have been nothing but impressed
on road for me gsx8 r 👌🏻 more torq less topend power more relax ergo but yea on track hands down cfmoto be superior no doubt on topgear laptimes table mostly due to topend power advantage and lower weoght probably also more lean angle clearance in regard to rcog asf 😉👍🏻 cos fun of ride even on tracks still only comes to preferention 👍🏻🤷🏻♂️🍿 however with one thing your wrong here 👌🏻 precisellly speaking shorter whellbase on normall size track with highvelocity corners in reslity isint advanateg bike behave more nevous less stable 👌🏻 yes it is advanatge in comaptition like gymhana butnot on normal size racetrck like laguna seca brno valencia whatever from moto gp calendar 😉👍🏻however as long as we dont know whats precise weoght distribution for each bike we cant reallly say which one willl behave more stable under high G force in corners on tracks 👍🏻 but on eye it looks like cf moto have more weight at front what compensate shorter whellbase in regard to stsbility it also give lesss understerrr behave on tak of corners accelerstion so in regard to this cf moto on eye like for me probably be more pleasure to rode on track 👌🏻🍿pffcors thats not sll whan consist on stability in corners suspension frame offcorse aswell impact on it 👌🏻or feg swingarm pivot/axis of rotstion width 👍🏻🍿
CF MOTO. Love that 675SR... Theres no thing u guys didnt notice or see with the 675SR. its tail light is f*ckng Ugly. Trust me.. not sure how ur going to make a fender eliminator for that tail light .. I love suzuki but they lack UPGRADES and seems like what they do is jst adjusting updating soo f*ckng little on their bike... With little features and its getting even expensive... Sorry No to SUZUKI . CF MOTO FOR ME! Love it.
Among all the Japanese bikes, I'll go for the Suzuki anytime. Until this Chinese show up that gave me 'headache' for it's a totally new breed of manufacturer unlike others from China. So so much better. I currently owned the CFMOTO 450 MT replacing a VSTORM and it's a worth purchase. Sorry Suzuki, I'll go for the 675SS.
J'achète CF MOTO 675 matin midi et soir. Trop magnifique et beaucoup plus compétente sur pratiquement chaque critère. Et surtout de qualité et nettement moins cher. Bye bye Suzuki
imagine suzuki cheaping out its engine and everything, then calls it reliability because it's suzuki brand.wahahaha only a 7 year old would believe that an ordinary cheap rock will turn to gold if it has suzuki sticker. reliability? wahahaha this is what leading brand motorcycle company are doing, cheaping everything and even the engine to make most gain on their brand. cheaping out specs and the cylinder is a cheap build motorcycle while selling it high because they know everybody will be fooled by the brand without checking the specs. hahahaha.
CFMOTO all the way. good about different seat height offerings. 3 years ago I said CFMOTO would come on strong in MotoGP AND THEY ARE IN MOTO 2& 3. WILL BUY ONE AS A 3RD BIKE IN MY STABLE.👍👍👍
Not gonna lie, CF MOTO is impressing me with there recent launches
yeah, one thing I like is that their designs are authentic and not tacky, unlike typical Chinese brands.
I made the same comment 1yr ago and got so much hate. Chinese or not we need more options than small displacement parallel twins. I've been riding for 30yrs and never felt like we were going backwards with engine performance until this parallel twin craze. They're budget with lame character no mater how good the chasis or fancy electronics
@@davidlagno7717 ..I have to agree with you. Although I like the personalities of all engines for their different sounds and characteristics, we know the reason for the parallel twin craze. Cheaper to produce = slightly more profit margin for the manufacturer, easier to maintain, better gas mileage, lower insurance cost for the customer...usually. I have a parallel twin and 4 cyl in the garage, just missing a 3 cyl and this may be the one to get. There's a CF Moto dealership less than 5 miles from me... so the 675 is calling my name 🙉
@PopsRacer61 You nailed it with the facts there. Good for you brother I'm sure it's a great buy and always wanted a triple myself.
Go ride one. I did. Game changer.
Ive been a suzuki user for a decade and a cf moto user for a year. Im not gonna lie but cf moto is keeping up with the branded company. I'll go for cfmoto in this category.
cfmoto actually has adjustable traction control
Only time will tell if they are durable and go the distance. With a Suzuki you know you are buying a super durable and lasting motor.
100% buy the Cfmoto when it hits the uk. In Scotland at cowshed motorcycles you get 4 years warrenty! And 8 years breakdown cover!!!
Same with every dealer, its UK wide.
i have always loved suzuki's more alien-ish look to their bike.
1300 and 1000 sure went to the extreme in that aspect, but this 8R just hits the right spot for me with its black eyeliner look
i had CF 450SR and now i have GSX8R, all i can say GSX8R parts quality much better than CF 450SR.
What! A bike that is twice the size and twice the price is better….. no way….
You didnt understand, its not about price its about image. No bike should corrode in short amount of time, screws shouldnt loose, pint shouldnt degrade on every cc model etc.
The 450 SR is an entry Level bike , you can't compare it to the Gsx .....the quality of my 800 NK is good.
@@olafdiers3613agreed with you bro. My first bike was a cbr500r and currently owned a 450sr (I'm a returning rider). Both bikes are entry level bikes so it's quality pretty much the same but the finishes of cfmoto is seems more polished to me.
CFMOTO should have make it a little bit lighter, few cm higher clip-ons with ride by wire throttle and cruise control.
This is on the first generation. In the coming years they'll add more and more features. Like what yamaha done with the MT07.
@ Man that’s 2025, ride by wire, cruise control and a blipper is a must have feature for a sport oriented bike.
And let’s not talk about an aluminum frame and a goddamn higher clip ons, like WTF?! even motogp bikes have higher clip-ons and better rider triangle.
These the two bikes I’m debating to get when I’m ready to upgrade
I think it has rider modes I watched a first ride video of the 675 on chase channel
Parallel twins have no character and I'm just glad there's some more options out there. Chinese or not. Everyone has a budget and I'm a true enthusiast, I respect anything on 2 wheels. But yea , we've come so far we need variety like we've had since the 60's and 70"s and the mind-blowing technology and speed of the late 90's and 00's.
Every bike has character.
@samwiselord Yes they do. Absolutely. But not enough to take over the entire Japanese market and deprive us of real outstanding bikes that broke barriers like the R6 and R1. R6 is gone and R1 I'm surprised is still on the floors for 2025. There's nothing mind-blowing about any of these par twins. They're way overpriced idc what chasis you slap it in. To me it's just a toy. Maybe KTM has something going on but they're overpriced and QC is garbage. There was no need to flood the entire market. The MT-07 was enough.
@@davidlagno7717 yeah always good to have a wide selection to suit needs and likes, hopefully KTM having something going on and they don’t go bust as I hear they are struggling atm with big financial loses.
@samwiselord I think they're too important in the motocross world that they can stay afloat. I love KTM for the balls they have not just putting out these comfortable all rounders. Every engine layout they use is extreme and I'd be really disappointed without them the way things are going.
True. I am not a fan of twins as well. I can go atlease a 3cyl. Im not also a fan of cross plains. I just don like the sound lol but the power is i think what the cross plain is known for but the sound sucks for me
Just the cf is so darn good looking 👌
I love your videos as always, especially the sound part :). I genuinly hate 2 cylenders bikes ! But to each their own.
This parallel twin craze has devastated me over the last decade. I'm just glad to have more options. I'd buy a used 600 Inline-4 over any twin no matter what chasis they slap it in. So glad to have other options Chinese or not. At least some engineers are thinking outside the box.
I hope CFmoto will launch a 1000cc V4 next year😮
8R 4 me
This is a tough call. GSX8R has some of the fastest torque available period, and the ride-by-wire with autoblip, but is it realllly necessary when you can torque through everything and stay in the same gear? idk. But damn, that is a sexy looking CFMoto, it looks like an alternate universe Kawasaki. I usually think silver/grey bikes look like E-bikes but they created a nice looking color scheme with heavy black. GSX-8R looks a little funny to me and has a tiny butt. My back would regret it, but I think I'd chose the CFMoto
Love your videos man, im in the u.s waiting for the 675 i ordered to show up, been watching all your side by side videos
I wish cf moto release its naked version. I don't really like racing posture on street, My ride route is around 200+KM and majority of it is twisties and it's killing my back lmao
soon
@@Tim-turbo-o i have the 800NK ADVANCED and its perfect !!
Yeah I wish the CFMoto were a little more relaxed like the zx4rr. 200km is a longgg way on a supersport seat. I like the option of sitting up and riding one-handed sometimes, longest I went is 5 hours on the zx4rr before my back had enough, which is equivalent to like 2 hours on an aggressive seating position
Sit up from time to time. Not hard to do.
It's not only about HP and Torque , what about the Gearbox Ratio .... The 8R looks nice , but i prefer the Styling and Design of the 675 .
modern bikes basicallly alll have perfect or very close to perfect gearing so we can almost completely ignore this factor as predictor of performance with some exceptions 👌🏻🍿
@@mociczyczki idk it really depends on the company. CFMoto's 450cc inline 4 is only a few horsepower more than Kawasaki's 399cc, and weighs 14 pounds more. Essentially 12.5% more engine size for near 0 power increase. If Kawasaki made a 450cc inline 4 I'd bet my ass it's faster than their 399cc. Idk how the 675 dynos, but the 8R has a _lot_ of bikes under its curve so it's definitely nice for quick torque. But that 675 does look amazing
@@amisfitpuivk kawa have ninja 500 454 ccm engine 👌🏻 similar power to sr 450 those bike are a2 restricted so i wouldnt look for topend power for unlimited cstegory in those bikes 😉👍🏻
@@amisfitpuivk cf motos 500voom inline 4 you're talking about ? got a massive torque gap. Cfmoto wins on paper still and price.
I really impressed with the risk taken by CFMoto by making a 3 cylinder bike, but Suzuki is my spirit animal.
Here's a question from the back (next to the elephant sitting): Which one would buy USED ?
In my country here, just a couple months of used 450sr is having around 10% price down from new.
Well, i am gonna get it when it reaches 50%, hahah.
The suzuki gsx8r wheels were an after thought. 675SS will be my next purchase in white
I’m in love with my 450Ss. Just not sure, since newer street bike company here in the U.S, as what the longevity is going to be compared to the big Japanese brands.
Mine already 32k km no problem
CF moto ❤❤
CFMOTO should add another cylinder to this engine and make it 900cc with about 160hp-180hp, and try to get the 1290 engine from KTM and make a hyper naked bike. I love how they priced this and the 800NK about the same, 2 choices for whoever wants them, revvy 3 cylinder and torquey big 2 cylinder. I'm looking forward to a hyper naked bike with 1290 KTM engine and 900cc sports bike, both price about $15k.
They have the new four-cylinder 750SR and V4
@@Tim-turbo-o您好，請問CF Moto有可能在義大利米蘭的EICMA上展示v4引擎和750sr車型嗎？
我也對 250SR-R 2 缸車型感到興奮，CF Moto 還有很多工作要做
@@javierreyes4748 我不是相关人员我只能靠猜测告诉你我的结论：双缸的250SR一定会展示，750SR概念车或者其发动机有非常小的概率展示，V4基本上没有可能。大概率是250SR/250NK、450SR/SRS/MT/NK/CLC、675SR-R、800NK/MT/MTX
Why would they make another hyper naked the same as the ktm LOL..
Thank you for All your vidéos That i really appreciate.
A french biker
Cf moto is a proper sports bike.while suzuki is sports tourer which i dont like.
yeah it is a great bike to daily with the 8r while the 675 is great for the twisties
CF Moto going places.
675nk next please :)
And a quickshifter is always up. The blipper is for down
Ya...there are race bikes and sport bikes...8R is perfect for me. Track? What track? Where's the nearest track?
If you are on a budget but you really really really want a new bike, get the cf moto. If money are not an issue, get the suzuki without hesitation.
Maintance of cf moto is more expesive so it s the same only resalle value is on japanse
Japanese quality vs Chinese quantity 😅 Japanese for me! But good on the Chinese with how far they have come very impressive!
It’s cheaper, but that does come with some reliability and after-sale service issues. Still, I’m really excited to see them become more established globally, then the Japanese brands will have to watch out!
@@SecondGearYT agreed, if they get the service part right and build a reputation for reliability then the games is theirs. Until then though 😅
Well you should look up how cfmoto came to be they have KTM build quality bc they have KTM patents they had a deal with KTM a while ago like early 2000s and ik KTM isn't Japanese lol
Cfmoto has been known to be reliable. Thousands of them on the roads with no issues. Ride one and see. They ride and the fit and finish are as good or better then the Japanese bikes they compete against. My son rides his 450ss daily and over 3k miles in one summer with no issues
Japanse design :D :D :D LOOOOL
The most important is the fastest bike and who can eat smoke and dust.
Sounds like a noob
CF moto really knows what people want & turn them into bikes.a sort of a successor or follow up to the much beloved daytona 675.triumph had the chance but blew it with a diffirent daytona.now CF moto opens its doors to those who are willing to try the brand.brilliant marketing strategy.at this price its easily ah big YES for the 675sr for me.
I think cfmoto 800sr is the best comparison haay
I own a Cfmoto atv love it owned every brand this has been my favorite it’s just a 400 and the same size as my old 650 brute force
Gsx8r is for training if you want to start track
Cfmoto wins by a mile when it comes to design alone.
Basically, the SR-675 is just SR-450, with additional 3rd cylinder, each cylinder is 225cc.
More power with crappy brakes is a no no
Audio quality sucks bro half the time can barely hear you over the back ground music
Id take the Suzuki every time.
Don't worry CF MOTO is scareing alot of the big boys
its already disrupting the resell value of the big boys lol..If you think about it, who would wanna buy a 150cc r15, gsxr150, cbr 150 pricing around 140k-170k when you have the sr300 which is the same freaking price. and the HP is 28. LOL. 155cc r15 19 horse power is a freaking joke and going 180k pesos.
Faster?
Cf moto je brutalan🤩🤩🤩
As a GSX-8R owner, i love my 8R. Similar to the Aprillia, you’re paying for the higher quality parts and technology. Its not great for track but I daily my bike and have been nothing but impressed
675SR vs CBR650R
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The suzuki is faster then a rs660 and the 660 had 100hp. This is pure internet theorising nonsense
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CFMOTO is the best
on road for me gsx8 r 👌🏻 more torq less topend power more relax ergo but yea on track hands down cfmoto be superior no doubt on topgear laptimes table mostly due to topend power advantage and lower weoght probably also more lean angle clearance in regard to rcog asf 😉👍🏻 cos fun of ride even on tracks still only comes to preferention 👍🏻🤷🏻♂️🍿 however with one thing your wrong here 👌🏻 precisellly speaking shorter whellbase on normall size track with highvelocity corners in reslity isint advanateg bike behave more nevous less stable 👌🏻 yes it is advanatge in comaptition like gymhana butnot on normal size racetrck like laguna seca brno valencia whatever from moto gp calendar 😉👍🏻however as long as we dont know whats precise weoght distribution for each bike we cant reallly say which one willl behave more stable under high G force in corners on tracks 👍🏻 but on eye it looks like cf moto have more weight at front what compensate shorter whellbase in regard to stsbility it also give lesss understerrr behave on tak of corners accelerstion so in regard to this cf moto on eye like for me probably be more pleasure to rode on track 👌🏻🍿pffcors thats not sll whan consist on stability in corners suspension frame offcorse aswell impact on it 👌🏻or feg swingarm pivot/axis of rotstion width 👍🏻🍿
CF MOTO 🔥🔥🔥❤
Old school design to suzuki
Still the same🤦
CF MOTO. Love that 675SR... Theres no thing u guys didnt notice or see with the 675SR. its tail light is f*ckng Ugly. Trust me.. not sure how ur going to make a fender eliminator for that tail light ..
I love suzuki but they lack UPGRADES and seems like what they do is jst adjusting updating soo f*ckng little on their bike... With little features and its getting even expensive... Sorry No to SUZUKI .
CF MOTO FOR ME! Love it.
Chinese brands are very unreliable when time goes by 😂
No CCP bikes in my garage. Ever.
Among all the Japanese bikes, I'll go for the Suzuki anytime. Until this Chinese show up that gave me 'headache' for it's a totally new breed of manufacturer unlike others from China. So so much better. I currently owned the CFMOTO 450 MT replacing a VSTORM and it's a worth purchase.
Sorry Suzuki, I'll go for the 675SS.
J'achète CF MOTO 675 matin midi et soir. Trop magnifique et beaucoup plus compétente sur pratiquement chaque critère. Et surtout de qualité et nettement moins cher. Bye bye Suzuki
I ride a suzuki 750 as my daily, but in this case, the CF moto will be a better choice.
I hate gsx8 back light, plate tail which looks like shit
imagine suzuki cheaping out its engine and everything, then calls it reliability because it's suzuki brand.wahahaha only a 7 year old would believe that an ordinary cheap rock will turn to gold if it has suzuki sticker. reliability? wahahaha this is what leading brand motorcycle company are doing, cheaping everything and even the engine to make most gain on their brand. cheaping out specs and the cylinder is a cheap build motorcycle while selling it high because they know everybody will be fooled by the brand without checking the specs. hahahaha.
I don't care how many clones CF Moto pumps out, I have no interest in glorified Alibaba Bikes.
Please do not compare Suzuki with CF moto, thanks
Why can not be compared?
Shut up lame ahh
Your comment so fcking hillarious, what do you think this channel should compare? KFC with McDonald?
A Suzuki vs Lamborghini comparison is coming up then!
@@fazanailulfaizi2155 This might make more sense. Because there is real competition.
No china 4 me😅
Not buying a chinese bike
CFMOTO all the way. good about different seat height offerings. 3 years ago I said CFMOTO would come on strong in MotoGP AND THEY ARE IN MOTO 2& 3. WILL BUY ONE AS A 3RD BIKE IN MY STABLE.👍👍👍
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