Having done this test meany times a few pointers I’ve learned along the way first: bring a cold chisel ,hammer, chipping hammer, dental pick set, wire brush, a grinder with a wire wheel and a good flash light. Second when setting up your welder I generally run around 130 amps but play around with some scrap cause every test centres welders are a bit different. Third for marking your start stop use a piece of welding rod with the flux on it so it doesn’t arc on you. I bend a hook in it so it can hang in place it allows you to whip out of the weld and make a nice slope for restart and not miss your mark. Fourth TAKE YOUR TIME!!!! You have 45 min use it!! go grab a drink between passes especially your cap if you can’t hold your hand over the plate for a five count go take a walk it’s to hot. Finally relax!!
What you heard is correct, the flat position is one of the hardest to pass. Run as hot as you can personally handle. Another thing I see a lot of people fail for is not fusing the 2 root passes together. Personally I use a 3 pass root technique, one on the fillet side, another on the bevel side and then another right up the middle to fuse. You do have to keep your welds smaller. It's all personal preference but I do teach both ways when instructing a program. The students can then decide which way suits their welding style. The reason the flat is usually hardest to pass is cause gravity pulls all your impurities back into the weld. A little trick to help keep out slag inclusion is to stick a welding rod underneath one side of the plate, creating a slight incline. This help the slag flow back away from the puddle.
I would definitely say that as a Canadian Welder, most people fail at the start of the plate because they don't use the run on/off tabs at all. They start cold in the plate and terminate the weld at the corner of the plate. Also people who use the run on/off tabs but move too fast that they don't allow the material to build up at each end of the plate. This translates to having low spots at each end of the plate once you have already placed the cap. I am glad you guys finally did started doing some CWB stuff. I know I have been personally waiting to watch it on this channel. P.S I've had some welding inspectors allow broken saw blades to be used to take out a flux/slag pocket in some of the tests
110%. Don’t waist so much rod that you can’t complete your stringer, but do a good run-in and run-off. Loved the presentation!! I’m pretty old and been a Canadian welder for 40 years. Burn rod all day long and the last thing I think about is what I’m welding. But come test day, I could crack a walnut in my butt… 😂😂😂 thanks to you and your team. Well done. Also, I’d love to see you guys do a presentation on our check test procedures… peace…
This is basically the third good video on cwb test. Hellnback has a very informative one. Which is one I use in my course. Weltube has a good one and this one is very good as well. The thing is too if you are unsure. Go ask the cwb inspector he will let you know. They are good that way
@@seanjames5028 I know that cwbgroup.org has a lot of good information. Also, the teachers have many years of experience and information. I'm just saying the USA have more videos/online demonstrations about welding compared to Canada.
Great video. I administer this test weekly and it is very in demand. We have a shortage of all position welders where I am from. I am a cwi from a union trade credit test facility and the video was so well done and accurate - I will be using it as a reference for apprentices. You can do your roots in two or three passes but we find a higher pass rate with two. For xray, the flat is the number one fail due to lack of fusion on the square side. If you produce a 1/4" equal filet side weld on the 90 degree side your chance for success goes up. You will visual fail a welder if the root passes are not equal legs and minimum of 1.5 x diameter of the electrode. Can't wait to see more videos. Keep up the great work.
Thanks brother. 2nd year apprentice here. I've been too nervous (embarrassed) to ask for guidance. I appreciate the time and effort you guys put in. I have these tutorials on repeat.
Never be embarrassed. I’m in welding school currently, and asking for help is one of the best ways to get better. Sure you can figure it out on your own, but it’s much easier if you ask for help whenever it’s needed. I’m sure out in the field some guys will be assholes about it, but I’d rather make sure I’m doing things the right way
Dude never be embarrased. Remember this: " its better to ask a bunch of questions no matter how silly they are chances are other people have the same question but are also afraid to ask" its better to do that then be a mr know it all (to many of those around) or the one being afraid to ask questions and ending up doing something wrong and looking dumb. Ask questions your there to learn buddy good luck
I noticed on his third pass ge started on the bevel side. As a general rule of thumb for this test, start on the 90 degree edge on each layer of passes. This will enable you to really get into the 90 corner, then when you hit the bevel, it will accept the bead much easier. Also, you're not allowed to weave, but under the rules your rod can move up to 3 times the diameter of the rod from side to side, this lets you wash the legs up onto the bevel side and the bead on the 90 side and gives you a nice flat surface for your next layer.
When i did my FCAW flat, i was told to use a 1/8" rod and break the flux off and use that for your cap guide. We didnt have the inspection tools ourselves, we were never told about them - i learned about them here. Just another idea for those that dont have weld inspection equipment :)
The quality of the information that you guys are sharing in your videos is outstanding. I have learned more from your channel than I have in school...Thanks for another excellent video, this looks like such a fun and challenging test!
I’m sweating already. We used to do all four positions in one day. Usually come out with with a couple burns from the overhead. And just to add more heat we flames cut the coupons. Awesome video. Nice shout out to the Canuck’s.
Thank you Weld.com for making a session on CWB S classification test. It's the most common qualification test performed in the fabrication trade here in Xanadu. ( hehe ) 4:44 is good advice. By using the full length of the backer, the weld is nice and hot by the time it reaches the plate edges. I like how you tied in the corners,even knowing that the first 3/4 inches of the 3/8" by 6" bar get discarded. Coupons 1 and 3 are root. Those are your mealticket.Snuff your arc,crater on purpose to give you a nice re-start. Leaving a bit of a button may make the tie-in look bad, but you're gonna cover that up anyways. Thanks Red and all at Weld.com.I like this test, and I really liked this video.
Hey Jason, great video, but there are a few mistakes made in regards to your stop starts. As someone who teaches this all the time up here in Canada, I’d like to point out that for the 1GF, each time you come to your stop, you are required to have the inspector look at it. You weld the fillet to the stop, show the inspector, and then finish it. Then you move to the groove side. Here it’s a 1 3/4” weld and then you stop. Again, you show the inspector, and at this point you finish welding the complete plate out. The reason for showing the stop before you finish the groove or fillet weld is that the weld can be measured and visually checked to see if the welder stopped on the correct spot. Keep up the great work down there! Love watching the videos!
Right on great job you show how to do a proper 1FG SMAW coupon , l am a C.W.B certified welding supervisor /Fitter/Welder, i do various types of testing to my employees periodically, I would pass you . lol keep the videos coming i enjoy watching them.
Great video! Having done this test many times (recertification every 2 years). The only thing different i do is not worry too much about the cool down. Im sure it helps but ive never failed one just burning pass after pass in without more than a couple minutes between each. On my next one I'm going to take my time and see how it ends up with the additional cooling. Great video.
I've often wondered why folks don't just drop a few amps after the first pass instead of waiting to cool. On more high tech alloys some minimum preheat is often a call out requirement. I'm not a certified welder, mostly just full of book learnin', though I did spend a full time semester at a welding school 20 years back so some practice not all theory.
Enjoyed your explanation of why you were welding the way you did. It will help for projects around the shop. Camera guy/girl knocked it out of the park on this one. Great job!
My brother is a non destructive engineer, he would refer to that as a lap weld, he would commonly inspect those, used on pipe seams, but usually not that wide, but for test demonstration purposes awesome presentation...
I'm a CWB SMAW & FCAW all position welder and my advice would be to make sure you have good tie-in's. SMAW, start a little a head of the crater and go back into it and then carry on forward. FCAW, start a little behind the crater (3/8" to 1/2") and burn into it going forward. Reason it's different for FCAW is to prevent slag entrapment, where as with Stick you can get away with going back then forward and not get slag entrapment. Also the biggest thing I learned from my CWB tests is PROPER TRAVEL SPEED! Don't go too slow on these tests! If you go too slow, you'll just build up excess metal and won't properly penetrate. This is especially important for FCAW and your root passes on the fillet side. Properly plan out your pass sequences, use good heat settings for each position (I tend to run on the hotter side, for example my FCAW 1GF root pass was 28 volts, 385 WFS). Anyway I hope this helps someone! Great Job Weld.com for showing CWB testing videos for us Canadian welders. Cheers boys
We're CWB certified at work and the start and stop gets alot of new our new welders everytime the inspector is cool as hell tho all you gotta do is point him in the direction of the best craft beer in town. Lol
Check test is just testing your highest position. For example, if you have all the positions then the check test would consist of you doing your root passes in the vertical position and your fill & cap in the overhead position.
I'm doing the C level right now and this video sure helps a lot for the end practical test for my course. So far we've done a month of stick and a month and a half with mig, and now we're doing a week of tig. The stick test definitely looks harder so the video is much appreciated.
Appreciate this video Just yesterday company led a class. Most of us doing flat and horizontal, some doing vertical and one guy doing gmaw stainless Learned a few things Keep them video going!
IBEW Electrician up here in Canada. CWB ticket holder as well, but I let it laps so I have to do all four again. Workin on the vertical up right now. Thanks for the great content!!
Hey there , glad someone did a CWB video. I am currently in the process of getting my ticket. I think this video is very informative, and I appreciate it. Sadly , through my union they have made the test a tad more difficult. We are only aloud to turn the plate when doing the root pass, other than that we have to face the 90 degree side for every pass. As well we must maintain a 1/8th gap between root passes or it is a fail. Just felt the need to share. Again great video !
Awsome stuff. I passed the test months ago, but in a few weeks ill be doing verticle, horizontal and overhead, all in 1 day. Cant wait to watch the rest of the series. Thanks for making the videos, Jason
Awesome video Jason ! Nice use of your 45mins !, I rly use it when I do the next 3 positions . Horibblezontal is such a huge pain as we all know for heat and sag .
There is the option to do a three pass root and also the direction of travel must remain the same for all positions I am CWB certified in 3 positions for SMAW and have done my 4GF test this morning and am waiting for the results Also when taking my 1GF I was not able to rotate the plate aside for a couple of degrees one way or the other so it is very important to find where you weld best!
With GMAW you're really gunna wanna start each layer of passes on the 90 side being that the arc doesnt dig quite as much, you really need to get the arc into that edge.
You are not allowed to go in opposite directions on your root! However when you start filling you can go in any direction as they do not check the fill. Coming from someone who has this ticket
Can't emphasize enough to use the tabs! They can be ugly and globby, but as long as that isn't along the plate your golden. (personally always have trouble with that on my overheads) I also head into the testing centre the day prior to practice and get an understanding of their equipment. Each have their own variances, so helps me judge what I need. I've failed a couple myself, reinforcement was just too much onto the starting /end of the plate.
Another thing, we always say the most commonly failed position is the Flat position, but the commonly failed part on any of the positions is lack of fusion or slag entrapment on the Fillet side tie-in. Seriously make sure your tie-in's aren't junk, it's where they do the root bends and if you fail most likely that'll be the cause.
I do get the problem now on my CWB test plates. on my 1,2, 3rd plate Lack of fusion on root bends. What seems to be the solution and adjustments? my Amps was 130. I have no problem on stop starts on my weld, little porosity, my cap is spot on.the bend test was a big problem.
Just a clarification your pass direction. For all cwb test welds. All weld passes must be done in the same direction and the test plate must not be moved at all from the first bead until completion it must stay tacked to your table/paddle.
I’ve been certified 10yrs now, every time I take the test, it changes just slightly. My first one, just fill it up they say, next one only had one restart mark. Don’t want to mention states, but once again full it up, then grind it down flush. After time and many hours off on site welding, you should be able to adapt to the changes that are made
I recently did my FCAW and SMAW all position tickets in Nisku AB. They said CWB is becoming more açcepted in the US. Are there CWB testing shops in the US? I started taking the CWB inspection courses offered online.
@amirlach. If you had an equivalent CWB qualification any AWS shop would take them as proof of qualification. The CWB testing along with the check tests are way more through than AWS. I worked in an AWS shop in Canada because most of our customers were American or were used to dealing with American firms and AWS was a familiar code so that's what we went with. Honestly if you have a good welding program then there is not much difference in the end result. We did 100% VT/MT/UT on engineered products. But I still feel a shady shop could easily cut corners under an AWS code vs CWB because there is no third party oversight.
@@geoffmooregm I was looking for work in the US when the Covid thing hit and had to return to Alberta. Alberta had already laid off 130k tradesmen and oilfield workers before then. The AWS was saying the US was going to be short 500k welders in 4-5 years due to older workers retiring and fewer young people entering the trades. I assume the other trades are in a similar state. Yet is is very hard to find any visa sponsors. Well unless you have one of those useless Jello Haired degrees in gender bendering. I have been expanding my skill set with Solidworks CAD and CAM as well as CNC milling and pattern cutting. And taking all of the free CWB online inspection courses offered. I will start the paid ones as I can afford them and make time. I think the US economy will come back faster than Canada's so I am open to working one of the Rocky Mountain Region States or Alaska.
@@amirlach Tons of work here in BC on projects. If you have your CWB's and are willing to work out of town. I am a CWB/AWS and CGSB inspector and have been busy as hell. Lots of Alberta guys here welding too. I was a welder for 15 years and I have never worked a year without overtime. Now I am working 60 to 80 hours a week. If I get a 50 hour week it feels like a break🤣
@@geoffmooregm I have CWB FCAW and SMAW all position. Fall Arrest and EWP, most of my oilfield related tickets have expired, but are not hard to get. I worked in northern BC building gas plants and turnarounds, even the Yukon. I would eventually like to get into inspection. When your eye sight gets bad you become an inspector or referee.
The inspector that inspected my 1gf and 2gf cwb tests wanted us to go one direction for our stops and starts. Long filled short bevel, we were also allowed to run 3 passes on the root, other than that looks like a great Cwb test
Yup, every cwb inspector has had us do our long and short stops in the same direction, check both the stops, then have us do the starts for both and check the starts
Currently practicing for this test. I'm running at 125 amps for roots and 110 for capping. I am using a weave on the bevel side. If I crank up to 140 amps, is it "safe" to stop doing the weave on the bevel side?
Nice, ive seen Hell 'n' Back welding shoot a video of this but hes Alberta. Thanks for the post should post a b pressure test/CA video. Keep up the killer work and videos. ✌🇨🇦
He's the guy with the red mohawk who was eating hot coals... A little crazy, but i watched his video before I did my SMAW and FCAW all positions tests. He had some good pointers.
I had a CWB T ticket it allowed you to weld on bridges and such. It was a 6" schedule 80 on a 45 if I remember right . Basically a "b" pessure test . 6010 or 7018 root and 7018 the rest . At that time no one said there was a time limit . I had a oklahoma B at one time to . Comparing the US to Canada . Canada is more strict as far as being government certified in my experience . You have to have a B pressure ticket before you weld on any pressure pipe and that includes down hand welding . All tickets are renewed every 2 years .Cost In the $400+range
The horizontal test qualifies you only for 2G. The fillet is identical to the flat position. You shouldn't need a restart on the square portion of the single bevel for the horizontal test. With the 5/16" root opening, be sure to keep a small-ish leg size on the first pass along the backing plate so you don't pinch yourself off when running your second pass into the top plate.
Use a strong back or put shims under the sides and weld it to the fixture holding it. There is a limit to the amount of distortion the inspector allows before it is rejected.
Bend a welding rod and use it to mark your stop. It can be hard to see the soap stone. Have it wrap around the plates with some gripping action so it stays put. The test shop had milling machine and operator to remove the cap and backing strip. Due to the number of tests some of us used grinders to keep the tests moving.
only the 2" tacker and galvanized endorsements are lifelong valid... everything else is a 3,6,24 month recert procedure.. at least there are checktests but ive seen the vertical and horizontal guys flub the flatwork and then they have to restart their checktest from flat again... ... nice to see this video..!
They also put a cwb stamp next to your cap on all 3 coupons of each test plate (before you weld it up). If you grind it off they won’t bend it. Not sure if they do something similar on the D1.1
As this is most young canadian welders first test the jitters can be unreal. Show up early practice on scrap see if you’re machine runs colder or hotter than what you’ve been practicing with. Spend extra care getting the slag out. And as my instructor said eat breakfast lol
Is there a chance you guys could do some video(s) with tig washing tips? Learning how to tig wash aluminum NAVSEA standard and would love to hear/see pointers!
ive seen shops do a crashcourse where THE machine is predialed in and the guys just run on it.. heck a robot can get the tickets but as a welder who can think and make informed decisions about what is involved... have you seen the robot flub a joint because the monkey had a fitup intolerance? lol
@@philanderingwhitecollartra8281 Haha oh man if you saw our robot....spent half the day repairing holes from it. I was more shocked on the differences between tests to be honest.
How hot is too hot for carbon steel? I usually let my plates cool for a few minutes between passes, but don't know take any true measurements. Where can I find data on temperature and metallurgical effects relative to temp? Great video as always 👍
After running this, I'd say the CWB is more of a challange due to the 1/2" wide root opening, and the required starts and stops. Other than that, the acceptable weld criteria is very similar.
Can you do a d1.5 test and show us how you’d do it. I jus did one myself in 3G and 4G and it was legit the hardest test I’ve taken. They wouldn’t let us use a wire wheel. Just hand tools and it was 1” thick. 12hrs of straight welding.. took all day. I hope I pass it 🤞🏽
Okay so I know that being first year pre-employment welder college student isn’t like being a CWB Inspector but we were just taught from a b pressure tester that for CWB tests it’s you do both passes and no rotation the plate
Excellent instructional video👍. I have done this test several times, in the last 20 years or so. I do exactly what your saying. The only difference is in my root pass in 3 beads. My middle root has about 1/8th gap when I start. Excellent looking welds. I would have killed for a video like this when I was learning. Looking forward to the vertical test. I found that one to be the most challenging personally.
One thing to add, there is a guideline for how much material can be removed from the overall thickness when prepping the coupon. Your first root bend at 20:04 looked on the threshold for how much material can be removed. But I can't remember what the actual limit is though. Awesome video though
@@Welddotcom I'm sure you are correct and the coupon was fine. I'm not even sure what the value is or if it is official, just that some inspectors will fail for it if they think too much material was removed. Cheers!
One thing wrong is that CWB test requires a 2" wide backing strip,and we generally run your tacks on back side of the plate to your strip,3 on each side and 3/4" long.
@@Welddotcom actually should mention that some places or inspectors will just get you to tack ends but not all,and not ALL inspectors will allow power brushing,some will tell you just chipping hammer and wire brush...I know it is supposed to be a standardized code but it does get done different in different places and by different inspectors...
@@weldweld5629 Thanks for the information, the document we used for this did not list a width on the backing strip, only the thickness. I run the method you discussed on all of my D1.1 plates. That's more of my wheel house. We appreciate you're feedback on this.
Having done this test meany times a few pointers I’ve learned along the way first: bring a cold chisel ,hammer, chipping hammer, dental pick set, wire brush, a grinder with a wire wheel and a good flash light. Second when setting up your welder I generally run around 130 amps but play around with some scrap cause every test centres welders are a bit different. Third for marking your start stop use a piece of welding rod with the flux on it so it doesn’t arc on you. I bend a hook in it so it can hang in place it allows you to whip out of the weld and make a nice slope for restart and not miss your mark. Fourth TAKE YOUR TIME!!!! You have 45 min use it!! go grab a drink between passes especially your cap if you can’t hold your hand over the plate for a five count go take a walk it’s to hot. Finally relax!!
Gord Munshaw I appreciate you, thansks
I have mine coming up and appreciate all the advise thank you
The world needs more people willing to give advice like this
What you heard is correct, the flat position is one of the hardest to pass. Run as hot as you can personally handle. Another thing I see a lot of people fail for is not fusing the 2 root passes together. Personally I use a 3 pass root technique, one on the fillet side, another on the bevel side and then another right up the middle to fuse. You do have to keep your welds smaller. It's all personal preference but I do teach both ways when instructing a program. The students can then decide which way suits their welding style. The reason the flat is usually hardest to pass is cause gravity pulls all your impurities back into the weld. A little trick to help keep out slag inclusion is to stick a welding rod underneath one side of the plate, creating a slight incline. This help the slag flow back away from the puddle.
I would definitely say that as a Canadian Welder, most people fail at the start of the plate because they don't use the run on/off tabs at all. They start cold in the plate and terminate the weld at the corner of the plate. Also people who use the run on/off tabs but move too fast that they don't allow the material to build up at each end of the plate. This translates to having low spots at each end of the plate once you have already placed the cap.
I am glad you guys finally did started doing some CWB stuff. I know I have been personally waiting to watch it on this channel.
P.S I've had some welding inspectors allow broken saw blades to be used to take out a flux/slag pocket in some of the tests
110%. Don’t waist so much rod that you can’t complete your stringer, but do a good run-in and run-off. Loved the presentation!! I’m pretty old and been a Canadian welder for 40 years. Burn rod all day long and the last thing I think about is what I’m welding. But come test day, I could crack a walnut in my butt… 😂😂😂 thanks to you and your team. Well done. Also, I’d love to see you guys do a presentation on our check test procedures… peace…
Yes finally!!! I live in Canada and it's super hard to find CWB videos/information on UA-cam.
This is basically the third good video on cwb test.
Hellnback has a very informative one. Which is one I use in my course.
Weltube has a good one and this one is very good as well. The thing is too if you are unsure. Go ask the cwb inspector he will let you know. They are good that way
@@seanjames5028 I know that cwbgroup.org has a lot of good information. Also, the teachers have many years of experience and information. I'm just saying the USA have more videos/online demonstrations about welding compared to Canada.
Great video. I administer this test weekly and it is very in demand. We have a shortage of all position welders where I am from. I am a cwi from a union trade credit test facility and the video was so well done and accurate - I will be using it as a reference for apprentices. You can do your roots in two or three passes but we find a higher pass rate with two. For xray, the flat is the number one fail due to lack of fusion on the square side. If you produce a 1/4" equal filet side weld on the 90 degree side your chance for success goes up. You will visual fail a welder if the root passes are not equal legs and minimum of 1.5 x diameter of the electrode. Can't wait to see more videos. Keep up the great work.
Chris R is it cause all your welders went to USA for the money?
@@CommieCat nope, just a boom in Canadian in some of the provinces.
@Andrew Crews I'm from Toronto Ontario and its around $150.00 a test plate
Is there an angular distortion tolerance on these test?
Thanks brother. 2nd year apprentice here. I've been too nervous (embarrassed) to ask for guidance. I appreciate the time and effort you guys put in. I have these tutorials on repeat.
Never be embarrassed. I’m in welding school currently, and asking for help is one of the best ways to get better. Sure you can figure it out on your own, but it’s much easier if you ask for help whenever it’s needed. I’m sure out in the field some guys will be assholes about it, but I’d rather make sure I’m doing things the right way
Dude never be embarrased. Remember this:
" its better to ask a bunch of questions no matter how silly they are chances are other people have the same question but are also afraid to ask" its better to do that then be a mr know it all (to many of those around) or the one being afraid to ask questions and ending up doing something wrong and looking dumb.
Ask questions your there to learn buddy good luck
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I noticed on his third pass ge started on the bevel side. As a general rule of thumb for this test, start on the 90 degree edge on each layer of passes. This will enable you to really get into the 90 corner, then when you hit the bevel, it will accept the bead much easier. Also, you're not allowed to weave, but under the rules your rod can move up to 3 times the diameter of the rod from side to side, this lets you wash the legs up onto the bevel side and the bead on the 90 side and gives you a nice flat surface for your next layer.
When i did my FCAW flat, i was told to use a 1/8" rod and break the flux off and use that for your cap guide. We didnt have the inspection tools ourselves, we were never told about them - i learned about them here. Just another idea for those that dont have weld inspection equipment :)
Yup, did that all the time when I was doing 1/8th gap stuff in school.
In fact, I think its still in my toolbox just in case I need it again.
The quality of the information that you guys are sharing in your videos is outstanding. I have learned more from your channel than I have in school...Thanks for another excellent video, this looks like such a fun and challenging test!
I’m sweating already. We used to do all four positions in one day.
Usually come out with with a couple burns from the overhead.
And just to add more heat we flames cut the coupons.
Awesome video. Nice shout out to the Canuck’s.
I have been welding for years and learnt a very important issue with that flat test thanks goes to show your never to old to learn great!!!
Thank you Weld.com for making a session on CWB S classification test.
It's the most common qualification test performed in the fabrication trade here in Xanadu. ( hehe )
4:44 is good advice. By using the full length of the backer, the weld is nice and hot by the time it reaches the plate edges.
I like how you tied in the corners,even knowing that the first 3/4 inches of the 3/8" by 6" bar get discarded.
Coupons 1 and 3 are root. Those are your mealticket.Snuff your arc,crater on purpose to give you a nice re-start.
Leaving a bit of a button may make the tie-in look bad, but you're gonna cover that up anyways.
Thanks Red and all at Weld.com.I like this test, and I really liked this video.
Hey Jason, great video, but there are a few mistakes made in regards to your stop starts. As someone who teaches this all the time up here in Canada, I’d like to point out that for the 1GF, each time you come to your stop, you are required to have the inspector look at it. You weld the fillet to the stop, show the inspector, and then finish it. Then you move to the groove side. Here it’s a 1 3/4” weld and then you stop. Again, you show the inspector, and at this point you finish welding the complete plate out. The reason for showing the stop before you finish the groove or fillet weld is that the weld can be measured and visually checked to see if the welder stopped on the correct spot. Keep up the great work down there! Love watching the videos!
Right on great job you show how to do a proper 1FG SMAW coupon , l am a C.W.B certified welding supervisor /Fitter/Welder, i do various types of testing to my employees periodically, I would pass you . lol keep the videos coming i enjoy watching them.
Great video! Having done this test many times (recertification every 2 years). The only thing different i do is not worry too much about the cool down. Im sure it helps but ive never failed one just burning pass after pass in without more than a couple minutes between each. On my next one I'm going to take my time and see how it ends up with the additional cooling. Great video.
Bro I pound that shit in hot!!! Mig or stick. But that's me.
I've often wondered why folks don't just drop a few amps after the first pass instead of waiting to cool. On more high tech alloys some minimum preheat is often a call out requirement. I'm not a certified welder, mostly just full of book learnin', though I did spend a full time semester at a welding school 20 years back so some practice not all theory.
Enjoyed your explanation of why you were welding the way you did. It will help for projects around the shop. Camera guy/girl knocked it out of the park on this one. Great job!
My brother is a non destructive engineer, he would refer to that as a lap weld, he would commonly inspect those, used on pipe seams, but usually not that wide, but for test demonstration purposes awesome presentation...
I'm a CWB SMAW & FCAW all position welder and my advice would be to make sure you have good tie-in's. SMAW, start a little a head of the crater and go back into it and then carry on forward. FCAW, start a little behind the crater (3/8" to 1/2") and burn into it going forward. Reason it's different for FCAW is to prevent slag entrapment, where as with Stick you can get away with going back then forward and not get slag entrapment. Also the biggest thing I learned from my CWB tests is PROPER TRAVEL SPEED! Don't go too slow on these tests! If you go too slow, you'll just build up excess metal and won't properly penetrate. This is especially important for FCAW and your root passes on the fillet side. Properly plan out your pass sequences, use good heat settings for each position (I tend to run on the hotter side, for example my FCAW 1GF root pass was 28 volts, 385 WFS). Anyway I hope this helps someone! Great Job Weld.com for showing CWB testing videos for us Canadian welders. Cheers boys
I'm self taught and challenged all 4 positions today and passed them all first shot, mainly thanks to this series! Thanks!!
We're CWB certified at work and the start and stop gets alot of new our new welders everytime the inspector is cool as hell tho all you gotta do is point him in the direction of the best craft beer in town. Lol
Good to see you guys entertaining the syllabi north of the border for us snow welders 😄
This was cool to see the difference between the states and Canada
Great lesson Jason 💚
Thanks guys 👊
Thanks Guys!!!
@@jasonbecker3362 Thank you sir!
I've passed this with stainless and carbon fluxcore in flat and vertical, our CWB inspector was really cool, I'm in Georgia BTW
Maybe show the CWB check test we have to pass every two years as well, at the end of the series
i use my 69 sa 200 lincoln no digitals or hot start cwb inspectors are usally pretty good haven't run into a bad one
Check test is just testing your highest position. For example, if you have all the positions then the check test would consist of you doing your root passes in the vertical position and your fill & cap in the overhead position.
@@Shah37Bang i'm aware of what the test consists of
@@amaclaren12 Oh, I thought you were asking because you wanted to know what it was or consisted of.
burn hotter 136amps
Thanks!!! Taking my all-position tests tomorrow, nervous as heck!! Great presentation!! Found it very informative. And got som3 great tips!!!💯👊🙏
doing this test in 3 days at school! So happy i found this!
I'm doing the C level right now and this video sure helps a lot for the end practical test for my course. So far we've done a month of stick and a month and a half with mig, and now we're doing a week of tig. The stick test definitely looks harder so the video is much appreciated.
Appreciate this video
Just yesterday company led a class. Most of us doing flat and horizontal, some doing vertical and one guy doing gmaw stainless
Learned a few things
Keep them video going!
IBEW Electrician up here in Canada. CWB ticket holder as well, but I let it laps so I have to do all four again. Workin on the vertical up right now. Thanks for the great content!!
awesome.. so which way DOES electricity flow?? lol
Thanks this is very helpful for us Canadians
Hey there , glad someone did a CWB video. I am currently in the process of getting my ticket. I think this video is very informative, and I appreciate it. Sadly , through my union they have made the test a tad more difficult. We are only aloud to turn the plate when doing the root pass, other than that we have to face the 90 degree side for every pass. As well we must maintain a 1/8th gap between root passes or it is a fail. Just felt the need to share. Again great video !
You guys are legends, i'm going to watch these religiously until I go for mine in june.
He knows what's up. It's a bit more involved but pretty much spot on
I did this same test in grade 11, first try too, not too bad for someone who never struck an arc 5 months beforehand.
Awsome stuff. I passed the test months ago, but in a few weeks ill be doing verticle, horizontal and overhead, all in 1 day. Cant wait to watch the rest of the series.
Thanks for making the videos,
Jason
Awesome video Jason ! Nice use of your 45mins !, I rly use it when I do the next 3 positions . Horibblezontal is such a huge pain as we all know for heat and sag .
There is the option to do a three pass root and also the direction of travel must remain the same for all positions I am CWB certified in 3 positions for SMAW and have done my 4GF test this morning and am waiting for the results
Also when taking my 1GF I was not able to rotate the plate aside for a couple of degrees one way or the other so it is very important to find where you weld best!
Great to see a CWB test on here finally. After this SMAW series, could you do a series using GMAW?
We sure can
With GMAW you're really gunna wanna start each layer of passes on the 90 side being that the arc doesnt dig quite as much, you really need to get the arc into that edge.
Weld.com and are you able to do FCAW as well??
Guy ugh highly have the hell hug from guy fufupcfuddypxdd did kyd
@@Hempman2000x you have to do the 90 first always
I'm just starting out welding and this video has helped fill in a lot of questions for me. Thank you!
Very helpful tips with this channel guys n gals! It helps me bring food to the table every night.
You are not allowed to go in opposite directions on your root! However when you start filling you can go in any direction as they do not check the fill. Coming from someone who has this ticket
Very helpful video. Done the test many times.
Finally! Im practicing up for my cwb
Good luck!
Wishing you success bro! 💪🏼
Do good brother
Can't emphasize enough to use the tabs! They can be ugly and globby, but as long as that isn't along the plate your golden.
(personally always have trouble with that on my overheads)
I also head into the testing centre the day prior to practice and get an understanding of their equipment. Each have their own variances, so helps me judge what I need. I've failed a couple myself, reinforcement was just too much onto the starting /end of the plate.
Here in Canada, we call it a FG weld as you weld the fillet first, which creates the groove weld.
Another thing, we always say the most commonly failed position is the Flat position, but the commonly failed part on any of the positions is lack of fusion or slag entrapment on the Fillet side tie-in. Seriously make sure your tie-in's aren't junk, it's where they do the root bends and if you fail most likely that'll be the cause.
I do get the problem now on my CWB test plates. on my 1,2, 3rd plate Lack of fusion on root bends. What seems to be the solution and adjustments? my Amps was 130.
I have no problem on stop starts on my weld, little porosity, my cap is spot on.the bend test was a big problem.
Long awaited video. Awesome. Thanks very much. Im Andrew. Would love to see you do the other positions.
We've got all 4 coming out
@@Welddotcom can't wait for it.
Thanks for the great videos. What happened to Bob Moffett?
Just a clarification your pass direction. For all cwb test welds. All weld passes must be done in the same direction and the test plate must not be moved at all from the first bead until completion it must stay tacked to your table/paddle.
I’ve been certified 10yrs now, every time I take the test, it changes just slightly. My first one, just fill it up they say, next one only had one restart mark. Don’t want to mention states, but once again full it up, then grind it down flush. After time and many hours off on site welding, you should be able to adapt to the changes that are made
I recently did my FCAW and SMAW all position tickets in Nisku AB. They said CWB is becoming more açcepted in the US. Are there CWB testing shops in the US? I started taking the CWB inspection courses offered online.
After running these, I think CWB is a better test to qualify an individual. Its a bit more in depth that the AWS requirements.
@amirlach. If you had an equivalent CWB qualification any AWS shop would take them as proof of qualification. The CWB testing along with the check tests are way more through than AWS. I worked in an AWS shop in Canada because most of our customers were American or were used to dealing with American firms and AWS was a familiar code so that's what we went with. Honestly if you have a good welding program then there is not much difference in the end result. We did 100% VT/MT/UT on engineered products. But I still feel a shady shop could easily cut corners under an AWS code vs CWB because there is no third party oversight.
@@geoffmooregm I was looking for work in the US when the Covid thing hit and had to return to Alberta. Alberta had already laid off 130k tradesmen and oilfield workers before then. The AWS was saying the US was going to be short 500k welders in 4-5 years due to older workers retiring and fewer young people entering the trades. I assume the other trades are in a similar state. Yet is is very hard to find any visa sponsors. Well unless you have one of those useless Jello Haired degrees in gender bendering.
I have been expanding my skill set with Solidworks CAD and CAM as well as CNC milling and pattern cutting. And taking all of the free CWB online inspection courses offered. I will start the paid ones as I can afford them and make time. I think the US economy will come back faster than Canada's so I am open to working one of the Rocky Mountain Region States or Alaska.
@@amirlach Tons of work here in BC on projects. If you have your CWB's and are willing to work out of town. I am a CWB/AWS and CGSB inspector and have been busy as hell. Lots of Alberta guys here welding too. I was a welder for 15 years and I have never worked a year without overtime. Now I am working 60 to 80 hours a week. If I get a 50 hour week it feels like a break🤣
@@geoffmooregm I have CWB FCAW and SMAW all position. Fall Arrest and EWP, most of my oilfield related tickets have expired, but are not hard to get. I worked in northern BC building gas plants and turnarounds, even the Yukon. I would eventually like to get into inspection. When your eye sight gets bad you become an inspector or referee.
The inspector that inspected my 1gf and 2gf cwb tests wanted us to go one direction for our stops and starts. Long filled short bevel, we were also allowed to run 3 passes on the root, other than that looks like a great Cwb test
Yup, every cwb inspector has had us do our long and short stops in the same direction, check both the stops, then have us do the starts for both and check the starts
@@BobV1la our inspector just checked stops and caps
Currently practicing for this test.
I'm running at 125 amps for roots and 110 for capping. I am using a weave on the bevel side.
If I crank up to 140 amps, is it "safe" to stop doing the weave on the bevel side?
the plate can also be supported to a 10 degree angle. Helps with the slag....My test is this Thursday....
Can you do a verticle CWB video? That 1/8 cap can be very hard to land in verticle with no grinder...it would be super informative
Nice, ive seen Hell 'n' Back welding shoot a video of this but hes Alberta. Thanks for the post should post a b pressure test/CA video. Keep up the killer work and videos. ✌🇨🇦
He's the guy with the red mohawk who was eating hot coals... A little crazy, but i watched his video before I did my SMAW and FCAW all positions tests. He had some good pointers.
A center punch for your stops is very helpful
I had a CWB T ticket it allowed you to weld on bridges and such. It was a 6" schedule 80 on a 45 if I remember right . Basically a "b" pessure test . 6010 or 7018 root and 7018 the rest . At that time no one said there was a time limit . I had a oklahoma B at one time to . Comparing the US to Canada . Canada is more strict as far as being government certified in my experience . You have to have a B pressure ticket before you weld on any pressure pipe and that includes down hand welding . All tickets are renewed every 2 years .Cost In the $400+range
Your initial stop starts all have to be the same direction then you can travel any direction after the root.
Also, you are allowed a buffing wheel.
The horizontal test qualifies you only for 2G. The fillet is identical to the flat position. You shouldn't need a restart on the square portion of the single bevel for the horizontal test.
With the 5/16" root opening, be sure to keep a small-ish leg size on the first pass along the backing plate so you don't pinch yourself off when running your second pass into the top plate.
Question, how do you prevent the plates from bending like this after welding, they were really straight but at the end you can clearly see the angle
Use a strong back or put shims under the sides and weld it to the fixture holding it. There is a limit to the amount of distortion the inspector allows before it is rejected.
Very helpful video for Canadian welders its pretty close to what this guy is doing u can say the same thing anyways the one in saskatoon
love you guys keep up the great work stay safe love the camo welding lid
Bend a welding rod and use it to mark your stop. It can be hard to see the soap stone. Have it wrap around the plates with some gripping action so it stays put. The test shop had milling machine and operator to remove the cap and backing strip. Due to the number of tests some of us used grinders to keep the tests moving.
I remember doing our SMAW all position test and the damn instructor took out a digital caliper. Not fun at all. MAKE SURE YOUR CUTS ARE B E A UTIFUL.
only the 2" tacker and galvanized endorsements are lifelong valid... everything else is a 3,6,24 month recert procedure.. at least there are checktests but ive seen the vertical and horizontal guys flub the flatwork and then they have to restart their checktest from flat again...
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nice to see this video..!
The overhead test was bloody brutal for me back in the day.
They also put a cwb stamp next to your cap on all 3 coupons of each test plate (before you weld it up). If you grind it off they won’t bend it. Not sure if they do something similar on the D1.1
As this is most young canadian welders first test the jitters can be unreal. Show up early practice on scrap see if you’re machine runs colder or hotter than what you’ve been practicing with. Spend extra care getting the slag out. And as my instructor said eat breakfast lol
Is there a chance you guys could do some video(s) with tig washing tips? Learning how to tig wash aluminum NAVSEA standard and would love to hear/see pointers!
Corner fillet x 3
Weave x 3
Flush Weave x 1
Cap x 5
I did my test today I used operation 125 for the root, I did 4 more passes, then I changed to 120, the last passes I used 117.
Great advice! How did it go?
Did you put a few intermittent welds on the back? Your plate bent up alot, if the gap is too large you fail before it's even bent.
That was great, but I don't know how you did all those passes and waiting to cool under 45 min?
you are also allowed to use any fancy set of orifice and contact tip set...
Are you allowed to spin the plate? I find that welding the angled portion is easier if I am facing it.
failed my flat but got my horizontal was confusing times somehow passed my GMAW flat my first time with only having probably 4 hours experince
ive seen shops do a crashcourse where THE machine is predialed in and the guys just run on it.. heck a robot can get the tickets but as a welder who can think and make informed decisions about what is involved... have you seen the robot flub a joint because the monkey had a fitup intolerance? lol
@@philanderingwhitecollartra8281 Haha oh man if you saw our robot....spent half the day repairing holes from it. I was more shocked on the differences between tests to be honest.
To help you with the spatter can you use the no stick spray?
This might be a stupid question but aren't you welding to the backplate or how do you avoid that?
How hot is too hot for carbon steel? I usually let my plates cool for a few minutes between passes, but don't know take any true measurements. Where can I find data on temperature and metallurgical effects relative to temp? Great video as always 👍
Can you guys show how to weld bevel to flat with a 3/32 gap.(6gr) Tried my first offshore weld test and i couldn't pass it.
Hi! Did u change your setting on capping?
Which do you feel is harder test... American or Canadian ?
CWB is a more difficult test.
After running this, I'd say the CWB is more of a challange due to the 1/2" wide root opening, and the required starts and stops. Other than that, the acceptable weld criteria is very similar.
@@jasonbecker3362 Agreed, the requirements are almost the exact same like the no more than a 1/16 cap
Can you do a d1.5 test and show us how you’d do it. I jus did one myself in 3G and 4G and it was legit the hardest test I’ve taken. They wouldn’t let us use a wire wheel. Just hand tools and it was 1” thick. 12hrs of straight welding.. took all day. I hope I pass it 🤞🏽
You allowed to weave on second weld?
Okay so I know that being first year pre-employment welder college student isn’t like being a CWB Inspector but we were just taught from a b pressure tester that for CWB tests it’s you do both passes and no rotation the plate
Wheres a check test for cwb smaw what does it conset of a vertical & overhead ???
I just did this test fir the first time about 4 days ago. I think I did well. But we'll see after the x rays come in.
Hover above for longer than normal when hopping in or out of intermittent welds
You guys should do the dual shield flux core test as well ! I surprisingly passed all my positions first try which is unheard of
is there a 2g video up?
The biggest thing you have to look out for is over grinding and the first coupon would have been a fail. It has happened to me when i first started
Is that 45 minutes total or just for one position?
Excellent instructional video👍. I have done this test several times, in the last 20 years or so. I do exactly what your saying. The only difference is in my root pass in 3 beads. My middle root has about 1/8th gap when I start. Excellent looking welds. I would have killed for a video like this when I was learning. Looking forward to the vertical test. I found that one to be the most challenging personally.
Make sure you grind the edges down a bit in the middle of your test coupons. If you have sharp edges it will crack. Round them out.
One thing to add, there is a guideline for how much material can be removed from the overall thickness when prepping the coupon. Your first root bend at 20:04 looked on the threshold for how much material can be removed. But I can't remember what the actual limit is though. Awesome video though
We removed it until flush, nothing past that. I'll have to go back and see if it's different than we do it here in the US
@@Welddotcom I'm sure you are correct and the coupon was fine. I'm not even sure what the value is or if it is official, just that some inspectors will fail for it if they think too much material was removed. Cheers!
hillo I'm jomar...can ask u what is CWB
One thing wrong is that CWB test requires a 2" wide backing strip,and we generally run your tacks on back side of the plate to your strip,3 on each side and 3/4" long.
Was not aware of that. Thanks for the comment
@@Welddotcom actually should mention that some places or inspectors will just get you to tack ends but not all,and not ALL inspectors will allow power brushing,some will tell you just chipping hammer and wire brush...I know it is supposed to be a standardized code but it does get done different in different places and by different inspectors...
@@weldweld5629 Thanks for the information, the document we used for this did not list a width on the backing strip, only the thickness. I run the method you discussed on all of my D1.1 plates. That's more of my wheel house. We appreciate you're feedback on this.
@@Welddotcom even though the first and last 3/8 ish tossed aside it is able to do etch testing