I have M1 and love it absolutely. I use in my back yard on grass and in drive way for incline decline. I have a big yard so on grass it gives enough resistance so I don’t have to add plates.
One of the best reviews I have ever seen. This video gave me the confidence to purchase this sled and set realistic expectations. You the man bro. Just subscribed!
@@GarageGymLab Having kids is purely a selfish desire, no one has kids for the sake of the children, they do it for their own wants and "needs". Breediots are THE root of ALL evil and ALL problems. ALL of your past, current and future problems were, are and will be created by your breediot parents. You do not owe anything to your breediot parents, THEY owe you everything since they forced upon you the ‘wonders’ and the ‘gift(s)’ of ‘life’. Work like a slave, retire right into the grave. God forbid anybody deprives the elites of future wage slaves and cannon fodder. 'Life is so meaningful'' aha and what is meaningful about it Karen? *cricket noise, because meanwhile same people end up with alcohol and downing anti-depressants because they themselves realize life is meaningless, even after performing their hobbies which include scrolling TikTok and watching the Kardashians, so much life fulfilment! Who is more evil, the god that does nothing regarding evil and suffering or the breediots that keep bringing more people to experience evil and suffering and death? They both are but I am leaning more on humans. With the full knowledge of the suffering and agony that awaits people here, they keep bringing more and more and more humans to this place. they just do not give 2 F… and they dare to say they love those humans. That is not something you do to someone you say you love. They keep doing it for irrational stupid reasons. God did it once, humans will keep doing it forever. That is beyond evil.
I just got one. Excellent machine you can get a heck of a workout and works great. Don’t understand concerns about quality? This does not experience really any heavy use, just going back and forth.
I like a good way to measure things, if I use the sled I know what weight Ive moved over time. Seems like I wouldnt know if I incrementally worked more or less with these machines?
Great review, as far as the handles go... Would be only take 5$ and 3 min to drill a hole for each to install hitch pins on the handles. As far as the front wheel coming up, a harness with a longer rope will flatten the angle and greatly prevent upward pull on the wheel. How long would be needed and is it practical?...IDK but an 8-10 foot section should be reasonable and help a ton. In addition to that you strap a heavier dumbell to that handle above the wheel to add a bunch of down force. Obviously just make sure you use a secure means so it doesn't fall off and smash the wheel housing.
@@GarageGymLab Ill have to wait to get one for myself but as an engineer and metal fab guy, pretty sure i can make something to go on the front to support weight as well if needed. Id probably experiment with strapping a weight 1st on the front handle to at least see how much weight would be needed. Maybe just leave it at that if it works well enough. i think between that and a little longer rope should be G2G
the downside with this is you cant slow walk with heavy resistance . you have to move it fast for it to give you more resistance. i like to do muscle endurance drills with say 180 lbs or 4 plates on it super super slow. Also, you can't do any pivoting drills/exercises with it. You're limited to forward and backwards/left and right only.
Your display could incorporate RPM's from any of the wheels, watts by incorporating strain gauge(s) (most expensive sensor) to measure deflection created by your push/pull action, and resistance tied into your N, 1, 2, 3 setting, and speed from hub sensor.
Hey Garage Gym Lab, appreciate the review! I am curious about wear and tear on that front wheel. Does it last a decent amount of time or does it need to be replaced every so often, and at what cost? Thanks!
The biggest loss of functionality i think is not being able to use a harness for sprints, which Torque doesn't recommend using as the front wheel is likely to come off the ground. But given all the benefits of quiet sled work in the neighborhood, reduced cost and wall storage (especially since I'm trying to contain all my equipment in one stall of my garage), I'm more than pleased with its flexibility and current set of features. Of course I'd welcome a display to track activity.
Is there a way to rig a harness on the two-wheeled side of the sled so that you can do sprints? I really like the idea of doing the sprints, but the easy storage and small footprint is essential for my garage gym space.
I was reading reviwes on rogue about the tank 3 wheeler. Customer said wheel in front got messed up because she was not adding weight. Torque Fitness told rogue that she needs to add 133lbs of weigjt so she won't have thoese probles.. I was going to get one for the reasony of not messing with plates. But it turns out i still need to add weigjt plates to it🙄 Well, that defers the purpose of buying these type of sleds. Lol I rather to have a rwgular sled with thoese skids plates under. What's the advantage of these over regular sled since both need to be loaded with plates???
I got some scrap wood, a metal chair leg to stack plates on, two more to push on and built a sled. Cost literally nothing and is a beast. Save your money and buy good food. Namaste x
Yeah, it looks like hills will be needed for additional resistance. I like the M1 as well, it gives you 50% of the resistance the M4 does, but still alot per dollar
Well that sucks. I was going to get one thinking I did not have to load it with plates since it has the magnetic resistance:( I will just stick with my regular sled and I will just add skids to bottom to protect concrete.
someone else reviewed and did the pulling with a waist belt, and he put a kettle bell on it and did not have problem with the wheel 'hopping'. Tbh, waist belt is best way to do pulling b/c you can better focus all effort on the knees and quads (which are the main beneficiaries) and it's a steadier movement, less likely to lead to wheel-hop.
Have been considering this one so thank you for your review. Any plans to review the Xebex sled that seems to address some of the issues you brought up here.
I will get mine in 2 weeks but was in touch with some people in the atg coaching community. You definitely need at least 2 x 45lb plates on it and additional weight attached to the pulling lever/handle above the resistance wheel. Two suggestions were to strap a kettlebell on or put a weight vest on it (about 25 to 40lbs). I will try cheap photography sandbags normally used to keep down lighting tripod legs and put old weight plates and sand inside. Then you attach your strap to the pushing handles and maybe center it with a carabiner. I am excited to see if this approach will work for me 😊
@@lingvemulo Hey Joshua, I ended up using a 12kg kettlebell attached with a strap and 2x 25kg plates. If I go really fast the wheel starts to skip. Also if you are really strong I guess the resistance at the possible speed level won't be enough at some point. With my fragile knees it will be enough for a long time :D The photography sandbags would have worked out if I had something that was heavy enough to fill them. The kettlebell offered more material density and was easy to attach. I have attached the straps directly to the push handles to that I don't have to turn the sled around.
I ha e 2 bulging disk on lower back so can't do no more squats, but been doing land mine belt squats amd other type of squats where I don't load my spine...Will a prowler be a good tool to build legs without having to do squats?
The sled is super functional even if you don't do squats. It's a whole body excercise that can build power and strength, albeit not huge legs. However, I'd check with your doctor before engaging in pushing exercises because this does load the spine to some degree.
By the way iam 49 years old used to be an athlete but now I just workout at my home gym..have a bad back and a bad knee but it looks like I can load it with weigjt and don't even have to sprint which will be good for my knee if I only push it without running to build my legs?
Amazing video! Brothers I'm in PNW--Washington (Olympia) a Crossfitter and this M1 I have my eyes on (early x-mas? for me)! As you may be aware, the daily rain has already started here. Is this water resistant/proof? Can I retrofit a plastic bag over the gearbox or what not without hindering the operation?
Can you do reviews of you actually working out with the equipment. There is another dude on UA-cam that shows gym equipment but he looks like he doesn’t even use the equipment. At least you look like you use the equipment. I would appreciate those vids !!
my gym just got one an M4, 2 downsides, the resistance is lower compared to loading 100-150KG on a normal sled, and secondly, spot on with lack of measurement data. My rountine was 30 rounds of 100KG in 30 min or less, so I had 2 variables to play with, the weight or drop the time per round. I dont know how to measure my- effort on this in an incremental way
The side of the sled says "All Surface SLED". This is 1000% false. It will not work, I repeat, will not work at all on any surface except asphalt or concrete. The front tire does nothing but slide and lose resistance on non paved surfaces. Adding weight doesn't help because the only place to add weight it at the rear of the sled which doesn't stop the front tire from skidding. Forget pulling. Front tire slides on all surfaces.
4:35 - "there's no real way to understand what the actual resistance is.." I'd want to try to tether this digital crane scale (with backlit display & much-needed, 'hold' feature) to the M1 tank sled and pull it to get a reading of sorts - www.amazon.com/Klau-Weighing-OCS-L-Industrial-Digital/dp/B0153E0DU4/ (not an affiliate link)
10:31 - UGH! The top of the line $2,395.00 Torque MX tank model also suffers from this 'tool free' M1 handle design, too! From the Torque Fitness MX tank webpage bullet points - "New handles exclusive to the MX are easily removed by simply lifting the handle vertically. No tools required."
I don’t even need a sled or use one , I just enjoy garage gym equipment reviews
Haha. Appreciate you, man!
Same i never need anything but I love watching these type of videos
I never think I need anything... but watching enough reviews makes me want them.
Got one, but I'm here for any of your videos
I have M1 and love it absolutely. I use in my back yard on grass and in drive way for incline decline. I have a big yard so on grass it gives enough resistance so I don’t have to add plates.
Thanks for sharing, Obaid!
Thanks! This is exactly what I was hoping to find out, if I can use it on grass. Thanks!
Was torn between m4 and mx. went m4. Should ship this week! Stoked.
One of the best reviews I have ever seen. This video gave me the confidence to purchase this sled and set realistic expectations. You the man bro. Just subscribed!
Thanks so much for watching and subscribing! Appreciate the feedback 🙌
@@GarageGymLab Having kids is purely a selfish desire, no one has kids for the sake of the children, they do it for their own wants and "needs".
Breediots are THE root of ALL evil and ALL problems.
ALL of your past, current and future problems were, are and will be created by your breediot parents. You do not owe anything to your breediot parents, THEY owe you everything since they forced upon you the ‘wonders’ and the ‘gift(s)’ of ‘life’.
Work like a slave, retire right into the grave.
God forbid anybody deprives the elites of future wage slaves and cannon fodder.
'Life is so meaningful'' aha and what is meaningful about it Karen? *cricket noise, because meanwhile same people end up with alcohol and downing anti-depressants because they themselves realize life is meaningless, even after performing their hobbies which include scrolling TikTok and watching the Kardashians, so much life fulfilment!
Who is more evil, the god that does nothing regarding evil and suffering or the breediots that keep bringing more people to experience evil and suffering and death? They both are but I am leaning more on humans. With the full knowledge of the suffering and agony that awaits people here, they keep bringing more and more and more humans to this place. they just do not give 2 F… and they dare to say they love those humans. That is not something you do to someone you say you love. They keep doing it for irrational stupid reasons. God did it once, humans will keep doing it forever. That is beyond evil.
This is the best review of this that I’ve seen so far. I’ve been thinking of buying this and this helps a lot!
Thanks for the feedback, Mark! Glad it was helpful.
I just got one. Excellent machine you can get a heck of a workout and works great. Don’t understand concerns about quality? This does not experience really any heavy use, just going back and forth.
If I’m going to be strapped on.. and doing some backwards walking mostly.... do you recommend the M1 or M4?
Thanks so much for making this video you covered all my questions. Mines ordered and on the way! Can’t wait to get it!
Awesome review! Been eyeing this sled and the XPO for a while and this review really helped me. Thanks man!!!
Thanks for watching! Glad it was helpful.
I like a good way to measure things, if I use the sled I know what weight Ive moved over time. Seems like I wouldnt know if I incrementally worked more or less with these machines?
Great review, as far as the handles go... Would be only take 5$ and 3 min to drill a hole for each to install hitch pins on the handles. As far as the front wheel coming up, a harness with a longer rope will flatten the angle and greatly prevent upward pull on the wheel. How long would be needed and is it practical?...IDK but an 8-10 foot section should be reasonable and help a ton. In addition to that you strap a heavier dumbell to that handle above the wheel to add a bunch of down force. Obviously just make sure you use a secure means so it doesn't fall off and smash the wheel housing.
Great thoughts, Jeremy! Thanks for watching and commenting. I’m going to drill the holes - not sure why I haven’t already 🤦🏻♂️
@@GarageGymLab Ill have to wait to get one for myself but as an engineer and metal fab guy, pretty sure i can make something to go on the front to support weight as well if needed. Id probably experiment with strapping a weight 1st on the front handle to at least see how much weight would be needed. Maybe just leave it at that if it works well enough. i think between that and a little longer rope should be G2G
@@jeremyphillips6229 how did it go
the downside with this is you cant slow walk with heavy resistance . you have to move it fast for it to give you more resistance. i like to do muscle endurance drills with say 180 lbs or 4 plates on it super super slow. Also, you can't do any pivoting drills/exercises with it. You're limited to forward and backwards/left and right only.
Sled is not based on speed but more about lever system.
WHAT... an awesome review. Wow.
I think I’m getting it. Love my sled workout I was getting at the gym. This equipment takes it to another level
Thanks for watching, Robert!
Your display could incorporate RPM's from any of the wheels, watts by incorporating strain gauge(s) (most expensive sensor) to measure deflection created by your push/pull action, and resistance tied into your N, 1, 2, 3 setting, and speed from hub sensor.
Love it! Thanks for sharing, Brent!
Did you test this on grass? Curious if the wheel slips without weight on an outdoor lawn.
I've had some plantar pain in my foot for a few months now, but when it eventually heals I'm going to get one of these as a celebration.
Good stuff bud! Look into the Sanddune stepper if you have plantar issues. It’s very, very helpful. Former plantar fasciitis sufferer here.
Thanks, definitely will check it out. I've been stretching and rolling and watching like a dozen UA-cam videos on reliefs to get over this.
How is the resistance in comparison to the bigger version?
From Torque: “The resistance is the same as the M4. When your pushing or pulling the M4 only one brake is working.”
Thanks for the great review, man! Think you've sold me on the M1.
Thanks for watching, Jonathan! Glad it helped.
any advice on outdoor storage? Would covering with a tarp be enough to ensure proper maintenance?
That there is a thorough review. Well done.
I bought one of these and love it. I also ordered the wall mount, it’s been over a month, but still haven’t received the wall mount.
Thanks for sharing, bud! Glad you’re loving it.
Torque says they're delayed till November
I used this same sled today, perfect for where I have to use it
Any updates on how the M1 is holding up for you and if Torque has made any changes like you suggested? Thanks
Hey Tom - it’s held up really well. Very nice piece overall. No signs of changes based on the video at this time.
Hey Garage Gym Lab, appreciate the review! I am curious about wear and tear on that front wheel. Does it last a decent amount of time or does it need to be replaced every so often, and at what cost? Thanks!
The biggest loss of functionality i think is not being able to use a harness for sprints, which Torque doesn't recommend using as the front wheel is likely to come off the ground. But given all the benefits of quiet sled work in the neighborhood, reduced cost and wall storage (especially since I'm trying to contain all my equipment in one stall of my garage), I'm more than pleased with its flexibility and current set of features. Of course I'd welcome a display to track activity.
That’s a great point. Appreciate you commenting and watching, my friend. Maybe torque will make us a display!
Is there a way to rig a harness on the two-wheeled side of the sled so that you can do sprints? I really like the idea of doing the sprints, but the easy storage and small footprint is essential for my garage gym space.
This is why I got the M4
Great video! Very informative. Keep up the awesome content.
Thanks, Robert!
Besides Ben this is the best review I’ve seen
I was reading reviwes on rogue about the tank 3 wheeler. Customer said wheel in front got messed up because she was not adding weight. Torque Fitness told rogue that she needs to add 133lbs of weigjt so she won't have thoese probles..
I was going to get one for the reasony of not messing with plates. But it turns out i still need to add weigjt plates to it🙄
Well, that defers the purpose of buying these type of sleds. Lol
I rather to have a rwgular sled with thoese skids plates under.
What's the advantage of these over regular sled since both need to be loaded with plates???
Can’t wait for tha prime fitness handle review!!
Great idea for the display.
Thanks for the feedback, buddy! Hopefully we see it one day
I got some scrap wood, a metal chair leg to stack plates on, two more to push on and built a sled. Cost literally nothing and is a beast. Save your money and buy good food. Namaste x
I like the opt in option for a display, and a display would be super cool. But how would you account for the added weight and hills
Yeah, it looks like hills will be needed for additional resistance. I like the M1 as well, it gives you 50% of the resistance the M4 does, but still alot per dollar
Well that sucks. I was going to get one thinking I did not have to load it with plates since it has the magnetic resistance:( I will just stick with my regular sled and I will just add skids to bottom to protect concrete.
someone else reviewed and did the pulling with a waist belt, and he put a kettle bell on it and did not have problem with the wheel 'hopping'. Tbh, waist belt is best way to do pulling b/c you can better focus all effort on the knees and quads (which are the main beneficiaries) and it's a steadier movement, less likely to lead to wheel-hop.
How did you guys inflate the tyres?
Thank you for this review.
Have been considering this one so thank you for your review. Any plans to review the Xebex sled that seems to address some of the issues you brought up here.
Yes sir! Have one on the way.
I'm glad I live in a rural area, haven't had any neighbors complain, but don't think that'd make a difference.
How is pulling work with M1? This would be the deciding factor between M1 and M4.
It pulls well overall, but definitely inferior to the M4 in that regard
@@GarageGymLab Thank you! any thoughts, should I go for M1 or bite the bullet and go for M4?
Greetings from Rock Hill. Subscribed.
Cheers, Oliver! Appreciate you.
Awesome video!!! What lav mic setup do you use? Sounds CRISPY!!!
Thanks brother! It’s the rode wireless go.
Wow, it sounds great! Awesome review by the way.
@@flochfitness appreciate the feedback, Sean!
Is it feasible to backward walk for endurance attached to a waistbelt with the M1 (ala ATG)?
I will get mine in 2 weeks but was in touch with some people in the atg coaching community. You definitely need at least 2 x 45lb plates on it and additional weight attached to the pulling lever/handle above the resistance wheel. Two suggestions were to strap a kettlebell on or put a weight vest on it (about 25 to 40lbs). I will try cheap photography sandbags normally used to keep down lighting tripod legs and put old weight plates and sand inside. Then you attach your strap to the pushing handles and maybe center it with a carabiner. I am excited to see if this approach will work for me 😊
@@EricStumper thanks, let me know how it goes.
@@EricStumper How did it work out?
@@lingvemulo Hey Joshua, I ended up using a 12kg kettlebell attached with a strap and 2x 25kg plates. If I go really fast the wheel starts to skip. Also if you are really strong I guess the resistance at the possible speed level won't be enough at some point. With my fragile knees it will be enough for a long time :D The photography sandbags would have worked out if I had something that was heavy enough to fill them. The kettlebell offered more material density and was easy to attach. I have attached the straps directly to the push handles to that I don't have to turn the sled around.
This review is incredible - super comprehensive! And I agree 100% this thing needs a screen to be a true conditioning piece like an erg or a peloton
Thanks so much for the kind words and for the feedback, Dobromir!
Wtf why the hell would you put a screen on a sled. Straight Stupid
Where did you get your white organization rack on your wall with all your belts bands pins etc next to your toolbox?
It’s from a company called Wall Control
M1 or a Assault bike? I’m getting one or the other. Thoughts?
I own an M1. In my opinion, get both. Different tools for different purposes.
They should have made the front wheel wider with the ability to add small plates on both sides of it.
Rather that a display (which would add considerable cost) they could add some kind of sensor that links to smartphone app for logging training.
Can you do resisted sprints?
I ha e 2 bulging disk on lower back so can't do no more squats, but been doing land mine belt squats amd other type of squats where I don't load my spine...Will a prowler be a good tool to build legs without having to do squats?
The sled is super functional even if you don't do squats. It's a whole body excercise that can build power and strength, albeit not huge legs. However, I'd check with your doctor before engaging in pushing exercises because this does load the spine to some degree.
how much that thang cost?
By the way iam 49 years old used to be an athlete but now I just workout at my home gym..have a bad back and a bad knee but it looks like I can load it with weigjt and don't even have to sprint which will be good for my knee if I only push it without running to build my legs?
Check out this guy on instagram @KneesOverToesGuy might help you with your knee
You need to do a review on a stand alone j quay from sorinex there is no review on it out here in UA-cam
But there are reviews of the j squat, and it’s literally the exact same thing just changing what it’s mounted to...
@@airgordo4 not really they’re not clear enough to understand them they’re not enough info on it
@@airgordo4 the stand alone version needs a good review not the mounted version
@@hardison2k5 ??
This was a really good review, thanks.
Thanks for watching and for the feedback bud
Is it waterproof?
It's a good bit of kit, but the same price as a cheap used car I can push around for a similar workout, and also drive places.
Wonderful vid!
Got my M1 last week and the front tire went flat..... slow leak...now what?
I would contact torque for a replacement.
I have been thinking purchasing the M1 for my gym
Did u buy?
So for building speed it's not as good as a regular sled....
Do you have a video reviewing the m4
I don’t at the moment. Maybe later. To summarize, it’s bigger, heavier, more expensive, and more versatile.
@@GarageGymLab I’m leaning towards the m4
@@darielcepeda2187 I recommend it for sure. Awesome, awesome unit.
What if instead of a display, it just had an associated app to send your workout info to your phone?
Fully on board with that. App is probably the better option.
Yes sir! Thanks for watching.
interesting that this product is 50 bucks more now than when it came out. $795 a year ago and $849 now.
I'd love a display, or even basically a speedometer. More data is always better imo
Amazing video! Brothers I'm in PNW--Washington (Olympia) a Crossfitter and this M1 I have my eyes on (early x-mas? for me)! As you may be aware, the daily rain has already started here. Is this water resistant/proof? Can I retrofit a plastic bag over the gearbox or what not without hindering the operation?
Can you do reviews of you actually working out with the equipment. There is another dude on UA-cam that shows gym equipment but he looks like he doesn’t even use the equipment. At least you look like you use the equipment. I would appreciate those vids !!
Yes sir! Thanks for watching!
Hey be nice to Coop
I wish it wasnt over a grand to be sent to Canada 😭
first! i got one and love it
Awesome, bud! Glad you’re liking it.
my gym just got one an M4, 2 downsides, the resistance is lower compared to loading 100-150KG on a normal sled, and secondly, spot on with lack of measurement data. My rountine was 30 rounds of 100KG in 30 min or less, so I had 2 variables to play with, the weight or drop the time per round. I dont know how to measure my- effort on this in an incremental way
i plan on making my own with wheels.
Looked up the price tag. Could buy a decent sled, and pay off my neighbors for less .
The side of the sled says "All Surface SLED". This is 1000% false. It will not work, I repeat, will not work at all on any surface except asphalt or concrete. The front tire does nothing but slide and lose resistance on non paved surfaces. Adding weight doesn't help because the only place to add weight it at the rear of the sled which doesn't stop the front tire from skidding. Forget pulling. Front tire slides on all surfaces.
Keep it simple. No display. Use a hr monitor
P.T. Barnum was right.
So its just a better more affordable m4? Lol dope
900 is a mortgage payment
Or buy a push mower and make a little cash too
Center yourself a bit more, thanks for the review
Way too expensive. Just attach cheap suspension straps to a big tyre with concrete, unused weights to create the load.....so much cheaper
Why does this piece look like a lawn mower?
This crap is very expensive for a simple sled with wheels... 850 dollars is insane.. this should only be worth 250.00 dollars..
4:35 - "there's no real way to understand what the actual resistance is.."
I'd want to try to tether this digital crane scale (with backlit display & much-needed, 'hold' feature) to the M1 tank sled and pull it to get a reading of sorts - www.amazon.com/Klau-Weighing-OCS-L-Industrial-Digital/dp/B0153E0DU4/ (not an affiliate link)
10:31 - UGH! The top of the line $2,395.00 Torque MX tank model also suffers from this 'tool free' M1 handle design, too!
From the Torque Fitness MX tank webpage bullet points -
"New handles exclusive to the MX are easily removed by simply lifting the handle vertically. No tools required."
Someone needs to do a drill and hitch-pin mod on these late model Torque tanks - STAT!