Did Ichigo NEED to Use The Final Getsuga Tenshou to Defeat Aizen? | Bleach DISCUSSION
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- In order to defeat an ever-evolving Aizen, Ichigo sacrificed all of his powers to use The Final Getsuga Tenshou...but did he need to go that far? In this video we'll look at why Ichigo decided to use Bleach's ultimate ability, despite the personal cost it would extract, and whether or not it was the right choice to make.
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Did Ichigo need to use The Final Getsuga Tenshou? What do you think? Let me know!
Awesome video but where is the Jugram Haschwalth video
I think he did considering he didn’t have his true sword at the time
In my oppinion...no! I think that he was incredibly powerful (i think even stronger than true shikai)
Aizen wouldve probably become stronger than Dangai the longer the fight went on but ichigo couldve completely Destroyed him at the beginning of the fight!
I think he had to in order to weaken Aizen so that Kisuke’s sealing kido could kick in
I would have loved to see him use a normal getsuga tenshou before transforming into his final getsuga to see how powerful it was
Ikr!
He cant. Aizen explains that he traded all his reiatsu for physical strength.
@@rebellionty he said that because he couldnt sense ichogo's reiatsu
@@naraydaniels7832 even when he used mugetsu aizen states that he still cant sense anything. Im not sure if that means its not an attack consisting of reiatsu or something else but thats what i took from it. But my question is why would aizen not be able to sense ichigos reiatsu?
I think he's not entirely wrong tho. Even byakuya thought tense zangetsu's true power was to just buff ichigo's vase stats. I undersstsnd theres a lot of pride from aizen and he wasn't able to sense his reitsu but it kinda makes sense he wouldn't be able to use getsuga.
Seeing as Aizen is STILL alive, i would think holding back wouldnt make sense.
Aizen is immortal so... He can't die
@@Romulus_and_Remus ...Being STILL alive should imply immortality so...all the more reason for Ichigo not to hold back.
@@juhblaze being still alive implys that he's not dead not immortality but I get what you were trying to say my bad
Hougokyou is hax bro
@@juhblaze that makes no sense. It would be more reasonable to attempt to contain him.
He literally showed up to fight Aizen on 70% battery. He was probably in the garganta like “eff it this’ll probably be good enough”
Pretty much, once Aizen burned Ichigo's arm with that nuke I'm guessing Ichigo must've realized that he was one or two evolutions away from being able to tank mugetsu.
Edward Armstrong literally took a mountain range explosion for him to be like “ok maybe this is a little bad”
@@kana22693 he tanked mugetsu in that form.....
Eduardo Soares hes immortal it has nothing to do with the form
no
He could have defeated him without it
saved it for the later arc
I always figured he used it because if he didn't aizen would've eventually grown stronger than ichigo and by using the fgt he stopped aizen while he still could
Pretty much my same thought, he saw him getting stronger to the point where Aizen kind of damaged him.
Ichigo didn't pull a Vegeta and let someone power up to their final form and get smashed on.
Kubo didn't do a good job there because the dialogue, Ichigo's expression didn't sell that Ichigo knows, feel Aizen is getting stronger. Ichigo maintained his cool the whole fight for the sake of looking badass. Right now we are going to conclusion that Ichigo did that because he needs to, and very much it is true. But Kubo didn't convey it properly, because if a casual Bleach reader, or anime viewer see that scene, they can't see Ichigo as the losing side. Kubo should have added Ichigo thinking to himself, admitting he felt Aizen getting stronger, instead of having Ichigo maintaining his cool with "You're boring, I'm ending this now"
@@syazwanmustapah2826 Ichigo pretty much conveyed his thoughts to Urahara after Aizen was sealed. What are you on about? Nowhere in that scene where Ichigo thought that "You're boring, I'm ending this now" bullshit. Sounds like you don't understand Ichigo at all.
@u wot M8?! Ichigo wasn't even aware of his quincy powers yet, as they didn't even awaken until he came into contact with Quilge. The Hogyoku would have eventually evolved Aizen to the point where he was stronger than Ichigo. In his "demon" form he was already strong enough to injure Ichigo, so that already shows how amped the Hogyoku can make him.
@u wot M8?! Ichigo's method of using his reiatsu with a full powered attack IS mugetsu. Anything else would do no substantial damage as aizen would have regened even faster
"Butterfl-Aizen", if you will.
Butterflyzen? Flyzen?
@@aizensosuke965 yo Aizen
We call it flyzen
Sounds like a Pokémon
@@jpeck87 Flygon’s alternative evolution line lol
Ichigo said he finally was able to feel Aizen's sword when he could finally fight Aizen as an equal, so I assume Aizen was getting closer and closer to his level of power. Ichigo was trying to do enough damage to overwhelm Aizen's regeneration.
Yeah he said aizen was actually mad sad and lonely
I don't think so. They weren't equal at all. Ichigo surpassed him. Ichigo felt him through his at that moment because Aizen was looking for anyone to beat him. That's why he groomed Ichigo because he knew his potential.
Ichigo said that he could sense Aizen spiritual pressure when his father and his teachers were beginning to lose and that is right before ichigo's two teachers are knocked out and the only one left to help each ago is his father Ichigo says to his father we can not go up against that level of spiritual pressure that heavily implied that Walt Aizen was on his second transformation eat your goal was already on that level of power which means him going into this stupid ass transformation was a waste of time because people forget in Bleach the stronger you are your zanpakuto Tsar three five times or 10 times more powerful than you
@@JamesJones-mt9co Ichigo only had the potential to catch up to Aizen at first. That's why his father decided to have him learn the Final Getsuga - it uses all of your potential power in one attack. When Ichigo came out of the Dangai he was at level where Aizen couldn't sense his reiatsu or hurt him, but after Aizen did his 4th evolution he was able to injure Ichigo (though provably not as seriously as he claims). Aizen was becoming closer and closer to Ichigo so Ichigo did the smart thing and tried to end the fight.
@@Blah2000Blah yeah, but even Isshin was using his powers as a soul reaper when Ichigo first became one with Rukia. That's because Isshin had lost his powers, and ended up gaining it back. It makes sense, because Aizen really knows Ichigo's potential. Aizen states that he knew Ichigo from the beginning. Which also means he knows his family quite well. If that's the case then you have to think Aizen factored in the fact that not only is Ichigo a half soul reaper, but Isshin pushed himsekf with engestu to obtain another level of power, which in turn he could teach Ichigo later. When Aizen gets to the the world of the living he even says Ichigo will be here soon and I have no doubt in my mind that he obtain some new power.
I think Mugetsu was used to slow down Aizen’s evolution for Kisuke to seal him. Dangai Ichigo was stronger than Aizen somewhat, but Aizen would have evolved eventually so Mugetsu would have to be used at some point.
You don’t have to say “I think”, kisuka said it
That's what happened.
Ichigo didnt even know about the seal
@@tarkursmh4066 that's the point, he weakened Aizen to the point that the Hogyouku didn't regonize Azien and for that reason the seal was able to work.
@@Fireman24TO i got your point' but its not that the hougyoku didnt regonize aizen trully the hyougyoku is understand aizen true desires
Pretty sure it was necessary. Ichigo was leagues above Aizen when the fight started, but even if he had bisected him then and there, the Hougyoku would've just kept him alive. By the time he used Mugetsu, Aizen had transformed to such a state that he was able to seriously damage Ichigo's left arm and this is a jump from him being able to stop his sword with the same arm.
Hell, Mugetsu wasn't even enough to win the fight. It weakned Aizen and slowed him to the point he could be sealed. Aizen literally was just about to achieve the final zanpakuto state and would've been nigh unstoppable.
The guy is immortal and will constantly evolve to be stronger and stronger. By the TYBW arc, he's pretty much unstoppable and all he's done is sit in a chair. Imagine what he could've been if he kept evolving because Ichigo was too worried about losing his power to use Mugetsu
Well said
@@lobopumpchainsavage Well said people forget this fact, even after mugetsu Aizen was in yet another evolution unlocking the final state of his zampaktou.
lf uraharas' kido wasnt there, ichigo was dead meat.
But anyway from what l know about the hogyouku it follows the users will and works to aid them achieve what they desire, maybe aizens defeat was like that of Gremmy, he simply wanted to lose deep down and the hogyouku let it happen coz we know it couldve kept pushing him uraharas kido or not given that it kept him alive (made him whole again) when Juha killed him as well as constantly pumping him with power as he sat down imprisoned
@@alispeed5095 People who think Ichigo won are in denial
Actually throughout the fight we see aizen lose his mental fortitude; he transitions from a cool, calm collected dude that sits in his chair and terrifies everyone without needing to say or do anything, to the maniacal butterfly hollow that just continuously claims he’s the strongest even while getting his ass grassed. He’s so far gone that he tries taking credit for ichigo’s mountain crushing.. Whether he was about to evolve into any kind of god or final zanpakto state is really an unknown bc he was sealed and completely off his rocker (do we think the hogiokou’s power ate away at his mind or is he just power crazed?).. by someone that couldn’t even fathom his power 4 chapters prior..(urahara is not to be trifled with tho let’s be real). While I do wish the fight had been more than getting bitch slapped a few time=>mugetsu=>sealing aizen I don’t think he had a chance against ichigo who could effectively feel gauge and entirely hault his growth
for real aizen is a fucking monster
I think this question is fundamentally wrong in how it understands Ichigo’s power in this arc. My interpretation was that Aizen basically had it correct: the power Ichigo gained when he came out of the Dangai had something to do with “throwing away” his potential and trading it for a power-up. The power Ichigo gained that allowed him to fight and at some points even surpass Aizen was a prerequisite for using Mugetsu. Put simply, Ichigo was already “using” Mugetsu from the moment he appeared out of the Dangai, that is where the power up came from. Ichigo actually using the technique to damage Aizen at the climax of the fight was just the moment where he released Mugetsu, after which the technique was used up and his powers were gone. Ichigo says that the Saigo no Getsuga Tenshō is him becoming Getsuga, and I would argue that is apparent in his appearance even before the final attack: the fact that the Zanpakutō merged with his hand. And honestly this makes more sense than Ichigo just needing a couple of months of training to go blow-for-blow with not base-Aizen (who was already ridiculously strong even compared to most of the other captains) but Aizen merged with the Hōgyoku. Ichigo had already sacrificed his Shinigami powers before he appeared back in Karakura Town, and I would assume (because it would be a silly technicality otherwise) that even if he never released Mugetsu, at some point his “time” in that form would have been up and the same result would have happened...
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you're literally the only person that has thought of it the same way i have
This makes a lot more sense
I always wondered how Aizen didn't know Ichigo was of Quincy blood, this was something that always made me think that this arc and the 1000 year war are completely disconnected in Kubo's mind. This is especially seen in how Ichigo gains his powers, showing that Kubo always had the intention of making Ichigo a Quincy, but his direction with Aizen, and by consequence, the Hogyoku incomplete. Also, would this mean in a way that quincy powers could disrupt the connection with the Hoguoku.
Yeah he probably would have used up all his , given that now immense , spiritual energy. Sure, he was so strong that even Aizen couldn't sense it, but I'm sure that the Final Getsuga eats up way more of energy than the normal Bankai form. So eventually his reserves would have ran out, even faster if Aizen keeps damaging him.
Aizen did know ichigo was a Quincy. Right before issen joins the fight aizen goes to tell ichigo and issen attacks him and says shut your mouth.
Dude I TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR AN HOUR ON STREAM! He was Leagues above Aizen in strength but i think he used it so Aizen didnt evolve anymore is really all i can say. great content fam
Ichigo says his spiritual pressure is reflected in how much of his clothes is destroyed. So Aizen really did damage him a bit.
I think I remember this, where does he say this again?
@@Googaliemoogalie unohana says it while guiding him to the fake karakura town
@@eragonshadeslayer514 actually Ichigo says that to unohana
i'm not sure that's entirely accurate as when he appears from the dangai his clothes are already ripped
Mugetsu wasnt a "FORM" it was more like THE ATTACK that is almost impossible to dodge and as you said if he hadn't used it Aizen would have Surpassed Dangai which he did.
Kisuke would be like "Portable gigai go!"
@@justsuou1184 😂😂😂 the man is insane.
@Lion Star Final you think about it Aizen at this stage was able to "Teleport" as the DATABOOKS say and he couldnt dodge it.
@@kushagrasharma5402 also to note it was an *Instant* teleport.
@@NiaTheMilkTank yup
Me: Final Getsuga Tenshou
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Me: No.
English(auto generated): Final get to potential.
Me: What?
English(auto generated): Final gets his head show
Me: I give up..
Lmao
Lame
The five ‘O’ It’s always the ppl with an Letter in there pfp to criticize 😂
Lol "The fight against potential"
no
He could have defeated him without it
saved it for the later arc
I think it was necessary that Ichigo lose his powers to move the story forward without it getting ridiculous. Because if he hadn't, he would have been too op from the start for any need of help from Ginjo. It was very compelling to see his struggle in the final arc of the anime and the confrontation with the fullbringers.
Could it have been done differently? For sure. Maybe stretch the fight out a little more. Specially after the first part in which Ichigo stomps Aizen. Once Aizen is in his beast mode, they could fight more on par to make it more interesting and to force Ichigo into using his final getsuga tensho aka Mugetsu. He maybe didn't need to use that if he could have pushed Aizen to the edge with normal getsugas enough for the seal to activate, but then he wouldn't have lost his powers...
It was cool and I found it a satisfying way of finishing things. Though all things said, I find it a bit iffy all the 'on a different dimension' stuff specially as it's not referenced again and everyone is much stronger later on without transcending... I don't know haha I love bleach in spite of all its flaws
This is the exact thought I have, there's no way in hell to get a satisfying opponent for Ichigo after this until Yhwach. His Dangai form is to OP for anyone else. Aizen was the monster with a Shikai before he transformed 4 times so what's next. I'm not sure if it was necessary in the fight b/c at no time does Aizen say I can finally sense his SP which seems like they're still worlds away power wise & Ichigo easily pushed him back after he grabs his throat.
This particular fight between aizen/ichigo let's say the characters were 10x more powerful than normal. Afterwards let's say they are only 5x more powerful
I think Ichigo had to use the Mugestu as early as possible as the Hogyoku would probably let Aizen evolve further as they continued to fight. Even if Ichigo continued to stomp him, it wouldn't matter till he could push Aizen to his limit and let the Seal on him Activate. That's my assumption
@@DanielDkD2K1 yeah I agree. Hogyoku materialize ones desires untill the wielder is capable of weilding the materialized powers. If ichigo used mugetsu earlier then the entire outcome of battle could have been changed.
sounds like a plot hole to me nd terrible story writing
I feel like all those points are agreeable, but I want to bring up the fact the Hogyoku is known to have a will of its own and be subservient to those with enough power to control it. It's probably not a concrete theory, but I believe the Hogyoku resisted Aizen after he was struck with Mugetsu. Even though it was melded to Aizen, Kisuke mentions that it no longer serves him and has abandoned him, which makes sense if you consider Aizen was unable to regenerate Kyoka Suigetsu or resist the seal. Going even further, I believe that since Ichigo had been leagues above Aizen for pretty much the whole fight, the Hogyoku saw Ichigo more worthy and granted what it could to its new master: a way to stop Aizen. And part of this goes back to something Aizen said about the Hogyoku, that it responds to the desires of those around it and gives them what they want. Rukia no longer wanted to be a Soul Reaper, Ichigo wanted to protect his family, Orihime wanted to be able to defend herself, Chad wanted to protect others, etc. And what Ichigo had wanted while fighting Aizen was to stop him, and the Hogyoku responded by stripping Aizen of all the power he'd had in that fight.
If that is the case then after aizen used fragorator the hogyoku wouldve started weakening aizen in favor of ichigo
@@hehehe..... It's possible, even if there's no real indication of it happening then. I think Mugetsu was the point where the Hogyoku went "Fuck this, you win" and made Aizen lose.
But, this point is further thinned down in the TYBW arc. It was obviously hinted that the hogyoku never rejected Aizen-sama. The hogyoku had perfectly melded with Aizen's very own form and existence to the point that he simply keeps getting powerful even while being sealed in the muken.
I think this all boils down to what Aizen said to ichigo during their battle. It was all a momentary weakness, really. It's somewhat ironic if you think about it.
@@dweller132 kisuke was wrong. If it rejected him then it would never make aizen stronger in muken.
Kisuke was wrong, TYBW arc Aizen and Narita LN confirms that Aizen's still perfectly fused with Hogyouku and is the reason why he became so powerful he's able to stall Soul King Yhwach when he was just sitting in a chair fpr more than a Year.
So with those evidence in hand, we can safely say getting hit by FGT weakened Aizen temporarily.
The simple explanation is that the power scale was getting out of control so Kubo did a high enough scale to defeat the bad guy in order to set things back to zero, otherwise it lead to DBZ/DBS levels with galactic/universal/multiversal/infinite dimensional level threats, which would be harder to justify how the heroes could reach that level, even with training. Things did eventually reach similar levels as the final Aizen fight, but not to the extent that no one could sense the strongest warriors' Spiritual Pressures anymore.
Yup probably
Yeah cuz replacing it with multiversal time manipulation allows for more logical power scaling
Bruh Ywach literally broke the scale. Ichigo and Aizen were also in ridiculous tiers final arc. Ywach just made everything obsolete
@@cameronjones9092 Ye, yhwach is one of the examples when the enemy gets so powerful that u need an asspull to defeat them
I think you dropped this; here is your tin foil hat.
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After Aizen transformed again against Ichigo, his strongest attack barely burned Ichigo's arm, and Aizen STILL couldn't even begin to sense Ichigo's spirit pressure.
Ichigo was implied to have reached an even higher dimension of existence than Aizen, so he would be able to bisect Aizen easily even without the Final Getsuga Tenshou.
That being said, I think it required the Final Getsuga Tenshou to weaken Aizen enough that the Hogyoku would reject him.
But it destroyed some of his shirt, and his shirt indicates how much power he had lunch left, so if he didn't use mugetsu, aizen might've won
While Fragor did destroy like 25% of Ichigo's Shihakusho, keep in mind that Ichigo not only didn't even bother to dodge, nor even defend himself properly (unless raising his arm "half-assed-ly" counts as defending himself), but he also didn't even have the slightest interest or expression when tanking the attack, and even after casually tanking it, he still let Aizen grab him by the neck and allow a futile strangulation attempt.
Don't forget afterward, Ichigo still casually brushed off Aizen with ease, and still didn't express ANY interest, stress, worry, or emotion in the fight, and was still breathing completely calmly.
In fact, another thing which kind of contradicts the information that tears of his clothes indicate battle fatigue, is that after Ichigo used Final Getsuga Tensho and started losing his powers, he still had the same amount of Shihakusho left! So then if his clothes actually represented his remaining power, he shouldn't have a Shihakusho at all!
So I have no reason to believe Ichigo wouldn't have stomped Aizen as hard as Saitama did with Awakened Garou, without using Final Getsuga Tensho, but the fight would probably never end unless Ichigo weakened Aizen enough for the Hogyoku to reject him and allow Kisuke's Kido to activate.
Did you watch/read the fight? Dangai Ichigo was beating aizen around but nowhere was he close to bisecting Aizen easily. If that was the case, Ichigo wouldn't have needed to use Mugetsu nor would Urahara need to plant a seal within Aizen before the fight happened.
Which implies that Urahara knew killing Aizen was an impossibility.
I never said that Ichigo could kill Aizen (especially since it was shown already that Aizen was immortal). Ichigo never even attempted to use a regular Getsuga Tensho during their battle, and there was nothing to indicate he was putting any effort in the fight up until he went straight to Final Getsuga Tensho: Mugetsu.
Thus, in my opinion, I still think Ichigo at that point could have bisected Aizen easily, but that doesn't mean he can kill Aizen; Aizen regenerated from the Final Getsuga Tensho, anything less would only be easier to regenerate himself from.
@@dinosaur8825 pretty much y it's the best arc in the series even when they do animate the last the aranccars hollows all leading up to this the captains all of it this makes sense while ichigo would have beatin aizen he woulda just kept evolving so and causing proble.s because no one would be able to kill him at that point he was like a hollow god since he had master the powers of the hollows and shares a big resemblence to the soul king since we all know the real hollow king was really easy to beat
Imagine if Kubo just kept going with the fullbring stuff and ichigo never got his shinigami powers back. Also if ichigo found his hidden quincy powers against ginjo instead of getting soul reapers powers back.
nice plot change
Nice, but why would his dormant Quincy powers surface if his other powers were being triggered to emerge?
Obviously you didn't comprehend what Yhwach said to Ichigo.
Me: why not both, I haven't caught up in the manga yet but why not both?
@@yuzuki2385 Cause that logic won't work here. Ichigo's natural ability is lantent powers that are deeply asleep in him. His powers awaken and become more powerful the more he engages with things that are similar to his own.
Only Soul reaper powers can awaken his own... only Quincy powers can awaken his own. His Hollow powers are fused and became one with his soul reaper powers so I don't have to say if he engages with a hollow, his hollow powers awaken.
@@The_Cholosseum not really. Zangetsu already used blut against zaraki(although maybe Kubo hasn't thought of this at that time) in the soul society arc. Most of the time, ichigo was using his quincy power(blue reiatsu) that imitates the techniques of his real zanpakuto given that his true shinigami powers is fused with the hollow thus should have a red and black color. Also you can say that all of his powers are being used simultaneously because a shinigami can't use a zanpakuto without an asauchi.
...........it was wise really for Ichigo to use the full power of Final Getsuga Tenshou to end the battle right there & then, swiftly, accurately & forcefully to defeat Aizen.......if Kubo decided to lengthen the final battle with Aizen further enough, the impact on us might be far greater, but given how the pre-Arrancar Arc backstory & the main arc itself has shown how OP Aizen really has become, the fight might become too old if, as ya have said , Aizen continuous to grow far stronger as the fight progresses.......
Remember this is the guy who yhwach himself feared and even tried to stop him from contacting his hollow for full power.
he also feared Aizen and remember that a guy that can see every possible future couldnt see any of aizen's illusions
But be honest, Ywach didn’t have anything to fear, he rolled everyone and was starting to destroy everything
@@0eyes then why did he stop his bankai immediately? Cuz then ywach would lose if not to his power saving him
no
He could have defeated him without it
saved it for the later arc
@@zashafuto1775 The guy was powerful enough to break Ichigo’s bankai in his powerful form by not even moving. Ichigo wasn’t a real threat to him otherwise they wouldn’t need Uryu to shoot Yhwach with the arrow.
Wow, you gave me a new perspective about the fight that I never thought before.
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Honestly the moment he got Aizen out of the town is the moment he should have used it to end the fight instantly, and no the moment he starts to lose his powers is when he uses the attack Mugetsu otherwise he would have tried to finish the fight as fast as possible. I am sure he could have fought in that black haired form if he really wanted but he wanted to understand Aizen's viewpoint so he let the fight go on for a bit before going for the kill and trying to end it.
If was necessary it's Questionable but man it was a beautiful thing to see
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For all the people talking about how ichigo would just flex on aizen remember aizen made ichigo stronger as a test
and never used bankai, and never used kyoka suigetsu and actually ordered the hogyoku to lvl him down when he realized ichigo had no more power
Ey can you talk about how we never got to see his inner world again after he got the his zanpaktou reforged.
It always bugged me that we never got to see him talk to his zanpaktou more and even learn new abilities like how he got to learn the cross getsuga.
We never saw whos in his inner world in shikai and bankai i never seen this addresses yet would be very nice.
Also good videos and it makes sense whenever you realise he was fighting against hogyouku
I also would have liked to see more of ichigos inner world later on
i just feel like kubo didn’t wanna spend time on it, just like how he off-screened certain battles even though basically everyone wanted to see em.
Cross getsuga wasnt even a new move... smh more like 2 getsuga tenshous lmao
@@duanescott3091 True but you can attribute that statement to Ceros as well. Gran Rey Cero is nothing but a base Cero mixed with blood. Cero Oscuras is nothing but a Cero used in an Espada's released state. Also kinda like how Ichigo's Getsuga changes in power and color from Shikai to Bankai. It's the same concept.
Kubo's bad drawing posture wrecked his writing arm , that hurt the quality of his work and that lead to lower ratings and together they lead to the ending of bleach being forced earlier then most wanted , Kubo needed surgery after he finished bleach to reconnect the tendons in his arm so most of the rushed ending is because of this
subbed cuz i love bleach and you went in full depth of the fight. fucking love this. good shit bro.
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Was it necessary? Unknown
Was it wise? Yes
That being said. I agree I was satisfied with it. I can also see it from a manga selling stand point.
Could you imaging how one sided all the fights would of been in the 1000 Year Blood War arc if Ichigo kept that power?
No one save maybe Ywach would be a match.
Mugetsu Ichigo was the most badass form. I wish it had come back.
Aizen’s power was going to keep on growing to the point it would’ve surpassed the final getsuga and mugetsu, his power stopped growing, the hogyoku rejected him and he got sealed.
The hogyoku didn't reject him, ichigo hypothesized that aizen was feeling alone because he was just too strong. He finally found a worthy opponent (ichigo) but when ichigo lost his powers his heart was satisfied so he lost his powers too. Aizen was just to rational and he never understood his real desire but the hogyoku works based on the owner desires. Probably he finally understood himself in muken and that's why he got stronger in tybw, he never showed even intention to get revenge on ichigo after that.
Hogyoku did abandon him it shown in the juha fight at no point did he regen or evolve
@@logandelaharpe6362 it's confirmed on the novels that aizen has still the hogyoku, urahara himself stated that tybw aizen is far stronger than the one who fought ichigo. Even without incantation aizen used a kurohitsugi in tybw that was stronger than the one who used against ichigo, even others confirmed that, shunsui literally shitted his pants when he understood that je was about to use kurohitsugi and shout to all shinigami to escape immediately, all people were shocked. He has still regeneration ability because against yhwach he lost an arm but in the final chapter he's arm is restored. That fight of aizen vs yhwach happened just too fast to let him evolve, even yhwach knew that and that's why he tried to break immediately kyokasuigetsu. He feared both ichigo and aizen and that's why he at first asked him to join the sternritters, same with ichigo: he wanted both of them as his allies and not enemies.
@@logandelaharpe6362 its because juha as his opponent so.....
@@Harry-tr6qr indeed!!! If you think about it why yuha need to go back to soul society after he eat soul king and defeated Ichigo? Of course because he need to take down aizen first before doing what he want,yuha invide soul society to make aizen into his Ally and go to soul palace to eat soul king just to finnaly start a fight againt aizen!!
love the discussions my man. I've been rewatching Tekking101 Bleach videos and got recommended to your channel. I'm rewatching the fullbringer arc rn. It's been so long since i've watched the show that I'm enjoying it a bunch. Getting more hyped for the return!
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Aizen secretly wanted to be defeated so I would say yes
kinky
Or mind-blower
Why
WAVIS he literally allows ichigo to train lmao
Maison oh yea thats true🤣
I think it was needed, I just would have liked Kubo to at least show Ichigo fighting against Aizen's "Monster" form for a bit before deciding to use it. I would imagine Ichigo was still a bit stronger at that point, but it still would have been nice to just get an extra chapter of them fighting.
Huh, never noticed the cosmere books in your background. Thats awesome!
I just watched bleach for the first time, thanks for posting Bleach content in 2020!
Mugetsu attack potency is crazy powerful.
Lets explain why.
First of all, Aizen couldn't even react to it, meaning that at very least mugetsu hits faster than light and could be hundreds of times faster than light. Based on the distance between Aizen and Ichigo and the the hole it have cut in the ground we can assume that the slash extended to at least 1000m of length. So, this whole distance was slashed faster than light. But wait, there is more.
Based on how far up the cut went (above the mountain tops) and how deep it was we can assume that the slash was about 2000m of height. If we assume that the width of the cut was even and the same as the one left on the ground (lets say about 20cm=0.2m), then hit attack volume was at least 400'000 m^3. That means that everything in this volume was destroyed. But wait, there is more.
If thing he slashed were simply destroyed, then we would have seen burst of flames, clouds of ashes or dusts, but no. Everything he slashed were simply erased out of existence. That means that instead of destroying things he slashed through, Ichigo destroyed space itself within his slash volume. That explains why after mugetsu we saw no clouds of ashes or matter turning into flames, etc. The space itself within his slash volume was destroyed and all matter within in was lost, and it would fit within physical nature of Ichigo's powers. And here is the math why it is crazy powerful. To destroy space itself you need power greater than that of vacuum energy - 10^113 J/m^3. So, mugetsu had attack potency of at least 4*10^118 J to destroy both space and all the mater within that space. Now, here are few comparisons to realize just how powerful mugetsu actually was:
2.24*10^32 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy the earth.
2.3*10^41
J is about minimal energy you need to destroy the sun.
2.12*10^47 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy our solar system.
5.7*10^51 J is about minimal energy you need to destroy a small galaxy.
1.15*10^78 J Is about minimal energy you need to destroy observable universe.
All of these number were just for the matter, meaning that after destroying them the space and energy within that space would remain. I know Kubo is no a scientists and he didn't calculated anything, he simply drew what he wanted to drew, but based on what he drew mugetsu have attack potency of multiversal buster. And not simply multiversal - mugetsu essentially have attack potency to destroy billions upon billions of universes. Though, it was limited only to specific space of the slash Ichigo made, so while this attack had absolutely monstrous attack potency, but the actual damage to could do was very very limited.
This is why Ichigo was and still is one of the most powerful character in fiction and he could one shot all remaining characters of Bleach, all characters of Naruto, superman, goku and so on. Nearly no character in fiction have enough durability to withstand mugetsu. Only characters with crazy regeneration could survive it.
But wait, there is more. Ichigo used mugetsu while he was used to using only his shinigami powers and a little bit of hallow powers. Even at that, he wasn't adapted to most of his power and couldn't consciously control most of it. Zangetsu and White simply allowed to to use some (maybe not even all) their powers. However, after training in royal palace Ichigo learned to control and use all of his powers: shinigami, hallow and quicy powers. Also, Ichigo got even stronger over time, meaning his total power grown as well. So, if he were to use mugetsu after training in royal palace, then it should be much stronger than when he used it first time. If we assume that his total power grew linearly alongside of his combat power and if we assume that his power between fight with Aizen and fight with Yhwach grew about 10 times, then... Mugetsu should also become 10 more powerful = 4*10^119 J. But wait, there is more. Up till now we only assumed that only Ichigo's power grew. What if with all extra training, experience and age he would be able to maintain Final form for longer, attack more times than once or make other attack patters (for example: mugetsu stab). What if he was able to concentrate all destructive power of mugetsu at single point and then stab Yhwach multiple times? What if he was able to release multiple mugetsu attacks in a row? Even if that reduce attack potency of mugetsu by half, nobody would still be able to withstand a single mugetsu, but several of them would be an overkill.
Wow
what the fuck
@@monke2504 math.
Oh..
Always good knowing that Ichigo is potentially the most dangerous fictional character ever made
Yes, he needed to nuke aizen hard enough that he killed him before he evolved to the point he actually became a problem. He could of slapped him around for a couple more transformations thou. He blocked 6 ceros with 1 arm.. broke a choke hold from aizen casually swinging his arm... he was still waaaay ahead of aizen. He wouldnt of been able to put him down without mugetsu thou. He basically devolved aizen when he hit him.. the kido took affect at that point.
Ichigo used Final Getsuga Tensho: Mugetsu. It was super effective.
@@jadenk.5003 The opposing Aizen held on using Focus Sash!
@@aizensosuke965 Ichigo was hit with recoil!!
I know I'm a bit late but loved the vid and despite me only discovering your channel like a month ago its fast becoming one of my favourites i dunno why just love your content and you seem really passionate and enthusiastic about the vids you upload and i enjoy your vids more cos i can see that keep up the good work
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I’ve been wondering where you’re getting these awesome colored pages of the manga?
He's using panels from the official coloring of the manga. You can search for it online.
The sword is bound to this right hand he had to go all in.
My dude you definitely need to start doing battle discussions and stuff like this. Maybe hypothetical battles? I know you love those. If you feel like it maybe work something like that into your other videos when you have the time. I just started watching this and I’m commenting Before I start but I’m really excited for this one I’ve often thought about the same thing and I’m interested to see what you have to say. Keep it up you’ll have 100k + subscribers in no time!
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i was always under the impression that even before mugestu he was still in that final form because his sword is fused with his hand mugestu was just kind of the ultimate attack of that form, like even if he didnt go mugestu he was already fused with tensa and would have ended up loosing his power?
You have to remember that Ichigo's cloak represents his reiatsu, and after taking the fragor hit, his cloak does take significant damage. He seems to be able to use his arm, but it is clear that he is at risk.
Just subbed, nice topic, nice format, cool dude
I love your insight on all this and have watch your videos for a while. I subscribed today
Yeahh.. he need to use it to fight Aizen.. but I would love to see this final form combine with Rukia's Bankai - Hakka no Togame when he fight Yhwach.. because their form look perfect with almost same superb attack..
Those who have read the final arc of manga knows how absurdly powerful Aizen is. So yes, he needed the Final Getsuga Tenshou
Final arc Aizen is not to be compared to this version of Aizen.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Aizen was stronger while sealed than monster Aizen because the Hogyoku was still increasing his power
I started watching 3 months ago and you have gained so many subs.
Have not watched this video yet, but the title has been my question for a long time.
I appreciate you acknowledging Aiden's bravado/talking to himself the whole time Ichigo was stoically preparing to clap them transcended cheeks
I absolutely love your shirt in this video!!
BLESS YOUR SOUL!!!! IVE BEEN TRYING TO FIND THIS ANSWER FOREVER
I mean probably. I reached this conclusion as aizen was evolving at a rapid speed, so he had to finish the fight quickly before aizen out grew him
From what I understand, Ichigo needed to overwhelm Aizen, in extension the Hogyouku, and shatter his will.
Aizen's once unbreakable will is shattered. And at the same time, if Ichigo's words are to be believe, his subconscious desire was also granted during the battle, to meet someone as special as he is.
Aizen, for even a short moment, contended with what he's achieved, no longer desiring power, the Hogyouku responds by taking it away.
That short instance with Aizen depowered is all Urahara needs to seal Aizen.
Of course, once Aizen's will is restored, we see him going back to full power again.
Good question! Glad someone made a vid about it.
Great topic I always thought about this
I don’t think it was that necessary he seemed to have it handled without it. Think he was just completely fed up with Aizen, his personality and arrogance. Think he just wanted to shut him up. Did that mean killing him? Most likely though the only person Ichigo has intentionally killed was Yhwach and Ginjo. Though they were relatively valid reasons I feel he had his reasons for it using it. Maybe he tried to finish Aizen before he could change his mind, or just because he hated the fight with Aizen and wanted to finish it ASAP.
Mugetsu was necessary as Aizen was doing damage to Dangai Ichigo whereas he couldn't before. Ichigo realizing the dire situation went for it.
Ichigo had a time limit on that form.. plus Aizen had the hogyoku, well actually 2 hogyokus fused and thus adaptable transformations. Thats why he wasnt effected by any of ichigos attacks, because he had almost instant healing. Mugetsu made aizen regress temporarily but then pushed him to fully fuse with kyoka suigetsu. The only reason the seal activated is because deep down Aizen was ok with the outcome since ichigo was an outsider who just so happened to have the rare ability to evolve without the hogyoku and use all reiatsu types. Obviously we know why now, the actual question is, could achieve this form again, and if so how does it scale to his form at the end of the manga...
Anyhow these are my thoughts
Great explanation my dude
Enjoyed this clarification!
Never thought I could like Bleach more now that it all makes sense
I think it was necessary as it weakened Aizen enough for Urahara's seal to work. Aizen's "desire" or "wish" was also granted.
Well no, he should even have finished the fight right at the begining after cuting the mountain
Keep up the great work, love your vids ;)
originally the series was going to end there, but from what’s known the guy had some other ideas and worked a way to continue afterwards. And man was it good!
Im so sad bleach manga is over i just finished yesterday will there be more
Or is it over.
The anime is coming back next year and they might adapt the sequel novels.
Also novels continue the story
There is a spin off
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 Burn the Witch, pilot plus 4 chapter and the anime OVA are part of Season 1, we don't know what Season 2 of Burn the Witch consists of.
I always took it as a reverse DBZ move. Ichigo's strat was to 1 shot Aizen before he could power up further, which Aizen did get 1 more power up in, but it still wasn't enough.
So he may not have needed to use it, but it was the safest bet.
Anti-Vegeta
well made video, good points, makes sense to me
To me, the author knew there would be more story but Ichigo did not. Ichigo has always wanted a normal life and all of the trials and tribulations he went through to get to the end boss. He figured after Aizan there was nothing left and his powers were "borrowed" anyway. So in his eyes he just wanted to be done with it all and stop the suffering and fighting and he was prepared to lose his powers but the big bad would finally be finished.
Ichigo: Uses Mugetsu
Me: Regeneration time already?
Still curious how Ichigo's final Getsuga form has an arm not-covered. As if Aizen's attack had damaged not only the shihakusho, but the damage dealt isn't completely healed.
On a close note, Aizen still was unable to feel Ichigo. So it would seem like the transformations forced by the Hogyoku were far from enough. Maybe there was a fixated multiplier each time?
I've been waiting for a mugetsu video💪💪💪💪
yooo sick backdrop
Even though Ichigo looks confident during the fight, it was always clear that Aizen would eventually overwhelm him.
So instead of letting Aizen catch up he used everything to pause the fight, leaving Aizen weakened enough for the seal to work, even though Ichigo wanted to end the fight with Mugetsu.
Aizen was going to win if given enough time, so Mugetsu was absolutely necessary to win fast, Ichigo knew that, because Aizen was starting to damage him in increasingly dangerous attacks.
I'm pretty sure Ichigo had no idea that Urahara placed a seal on Aizen
@@jacobellis2313 Exactly, the attack was meant to kill and it failed, Ichigo was pretty shocked when Aizen got up again, after that.
The thing I was trying to say is that at the start of the fight Ichigo was destroying Aizen but realized that Aizen's attacks were starting to get dangerous for him, and so he used Mugetsu, in the end Aizen still won the fight but Urahara got him at the right moment.
Couldn't he have tried to destroy the Hogyoku instead?
It was literally hanging by strings in the hole in his chest, and if he's already so much stronger than Aizen throughout the entire fight, shouldn't Ichigo have been strong enough to just destroy it before it makes Aizen even stronger and eventually equal to or stronger than him?
I think it would have been pretty simple if he'd have just finished it and not taking his time defeating him, as it didn't seem like the Hogyoku could tell exactly how strong Ichigo was in order to power Aizen up further to match his strength.
It must have reacted according to Aizen's perception of Ichigo's power, and therefore his underestimating of said power was what lead to his defeat.
Hogyoku is indestructible. Its like its bound to person's soul that cannot be severed. Even Mugetsu erase Aizen's body and Hogyoku just regenerate like normally.
It’s indestructible or they would have destroyed it a very long time ago
Pretty sure the hogyoku ate a final getsuga tensho head on considering it's in the middle of aizen's chest and ichigo practically split aizen in half by the middle
@@tool3142
True
Amazing video and very well explained.
I would have loved if Ichigo atleast tried to actually fight Aizen seriously, just to see how powerful he truly became. But I guess as you point out, it would have been dangerous to risk giving the Hogyoku enough time to adapt to Ichigo's level.
Overall I think it was a cool arc, considering it was rushed as previously stated by Kubo.
I love the story stand point as you said that it’s a lose lose situation for Ichigo like there was no way for him to get out of that fight. But it makes me wonder (because i feel like he was just toying with Aizen the whole time until he used final getsuga tenshou) that if he would have just went full out at the very beginning could have he beaten aizen so bad if it would have caused the same amount of damage as the final getsuga tenshou did
He's actions marked his Quincy powers coming fro.
Not really. That technique removes Quincy powers so why would it remove Ichigos shinigami powers but not the Quincy in him? Cause we know that isshin and the fox dude could use techniques similar to mugetsu were they lost all there shinigami powers so…
@@Gavin_sfc as seen by tybw 15's quincy powers dont do anything (i'm agreeing with u)
Yes, aizen would of kept evolving. He had to try and put him down for good 1 shot.
he wouldnt. Aizen didnt wanted to win, even ichigo says that in the end of the fight
@@HyuchaKyrie that was only after the final getsuga tenshou. Aizen would've continually been in denial and kept evolving. If you read the manga right now yo would know that he needed the getsuga tenshou
@@jamrah8713 Don't misunderstand things...after the Aizen arc Bleach was pretty much over.....it was painful to even read....Ichigo stated he felt loneliness in his sword...and yes Aizen wanted to subconsciously lose....and the Hyougyoku is following the desire of the surrounding ppl....even Aizen stated that long before.
@@Scarecrooo BITCH ASS BLEACH IS BACK
@@Scarecrooo TYBW BEST ARC
Your videos are amazing
Love the video. You should make a video about if all Zapakutos have a final form like Final Getsugatensho or if that was just something Kubo pulled out of his butt
Yes mugetsu was necessary that was the only way to seal aizen
Small correction:
Dont just say that "Ichigo came out with just a charred arm"
He took serious dmg from the small nuke aizen threw and this can be seen by the amount of reiatsu he expended or lost by looking at his clothes
He basically lost asizeable portion of his tunic (which is a representation of his spirit energy level) and l believe thats when he commits and decides to end the man before evolves yet further
Exactly, he had to use up a large amount of reiatsu just to block it. People always ignore the little details
@@Synkronist Glad you agree, l hate to see people ignore small details which ends up leading to misguided opinions
Okay the way your explained that planes of transcendence makes much more sense than when i orginally read the manga. Cause I wonder throughout the 100 year war arc if ichigo never once again became trancendent because everyone could sense his power.
My first good character in Bleach Brave Souls was Mugetsu lol so this video was awesome tommo
Ichigo never wanted to kill Aizen, just wanted to demoralise him to the point that his inner desires would betray him to the Hōgyoku. When Aizen regenerates himself after Final Getsuga the Hōgyoku delivers on Aizen's hidden desire to be normal and not to feel loneliness anymore. There's a reason he effectively trained Ichigo for this moment, it was so he could finally fight someone he could consider his equal.
The real question is how did Isshin know about the final getsugatenshou
I have heard a theory, which may be wrong, that the Getsuga Tenshou can be used by any Zanpakuto with “Getsu” in their name, which would apply to Zangetsu and Engetsu. Another theory is that it is a Shiba Clan Technique. We don’t have a definitive answer though.
@@alexkuhn5188 Kyoka Suigetsu.
Jon Louis Hernández Orsini NO
He literally says when ichigo starts to go into his inner world that his engetsu was pissed at him when he asked how to learn it.
@@hellsmason5374 yeah but how did he know that Mugetsu exist I agree with Alex kuhn
Spoiler:
Plus Isshin didn’t lose his power because of mugetsu so he didn’t use it
Great vid Tommo! Will you do a vid on ichigo’s three different “zanpakuto” personifications (white ichigo, zangetsu, and tensa zangetsu) ? I still don’t understand that at all
Love your work bro 💪
Personally I think it was necessary. I feel like he kinda owed it to aizen. He played a big role in Ichigo getting stronger and it was his doing that Ichigo even learned it.
I think it was. In my opinion, it even seemed like it fell short (haven't read TYBW, so I could be wrong). Had Urahara not been there to seal the weakened Aizen, Ichigo wouldn't have been able to overcome him. Hogyoku was just way too much of a threat if left unchecked.
Love love love your videos! I do think Ichigo needed it :)
First of all, great work on the videos! They're very educational. I agree that Ichigo had to use the final Getsuga Tenshou, and he used it at the absolute last minute. But I disagree with the statement that Aizen is merely a "vessel" for the Hogkyoku. During his encounter with Urahara, Aizen claims to have in fact, "subjugated" the Hogyoku. Kurosaki's final attack drained Aizen of his strength and weakened him enough to break his control of the Hogyoku. This weakened state, made him vulnerable to Kisuke's seal.
To me Mugetsu should've been his Bankai, that design is too cool to be only use once.