Star Trek: Transphasic Torpedoes - Spacedock Short
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Spacedock takes a look at Star Trek's supremely powerful Transphasic Torpedoes.
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Quite a lot of book canon in the second half of this vid, not really enough info on the torpedoes in primary canon to fill out a video. If any of you have yet to check out David Mack's Star Trek Destiny Trilogy though, it's totally worth your time, amazing series. :)
Spacedock The destiny novels are great books, definitely part of my head cannon
you should make a video on the hull voyagers ablative hull armor
Hay have you done the Destiny from SGU?
Please do a video on the star trek deep space nine space station :)
can you do enterprise NX-01 from Star Trek: Enterprise
I wish the transphasic torps in star trek online worked half as good as this.
Yup but STO is set in 2409/10 and by then, the Borg had adapted to them. However, they should technically one-shot ships of many other species.
It's worth noting that STO technically takes place in a different continuity to Destiny, though they are not irreconcilable and one of the loading screens actually mentions the Aventine so you never know. Of course the actual reason the torpedoes are under-powered is for gameplay balancing purposes, though I expect it would be pretty hilarious if everyone was running around with completely unstoppable torpedoes that ignore shields and one-shot Borg Cubes lol.
gameplay balancing... STO... thats a good one.
COMMANDERHAWK22 lol
@@Spacedock I don't understand why they didn't just make the torpedoes like a progression like thing. Like instead of Quantum torpedoes acting differently, they would just be more powerful since they are newer technology and if they wanted transphasic torps they could have added a defence that stops them. Just would have made more sense.
I remember watching when voyager fired only one transphasic torpedo at a borg cube. Absolute obliteration is what I would describe the effect.
Definitely a YESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!! moment for me. That look on the Bog queen's face. Priceless.
REMOVE CUBE
In effect, all the tech stuffed into Voyager by future Janeway leapt Starfleet ahead by decades. How in the hell did Janeway get this past the Temporal Security Agency?
My whole family has been asking that question since Voyager's finale aired. The best answer we've come up with is that Janeway has messed with time so much over the series that the Temporal Security Agency couldn't deal with it anymore and gave up. Not a great answer, but there really isn't one for this.
LordRevanZala Or they secretly wanted her to do that to combat the Borg.
"Sir, we have a major temporal event on sensors... Holy Hell, class-12... no its increasing, class-16 now..."
"Janeway... Only Janeway can muck up time this badly"
"Sir, what do we do? Oh Gods, its class-20 now!"
*Eye Piece flips over Commander's eye*
"We Die..."
*Time Kersplodes*
nice last starfighter reference
I forget but a book put foward this theory. Only in the timelines where Janeway brought back the tech from the future managed to survive to borg. The temporal agencies wouldn't do crap about it as if they did they would be killed by the borg.
At 2:56, you stated "if not for the actions of Captains Picard, Riker & Dax," it would've be game over & that is true, but one more captain gets some of the credit for saving the alpha quadrant's bacon. Captain Hernandez of the Columbia NX-02.
On an unrelated note, Ezri Dax and the USS Aventine might be my favorite ship/captain/crew dynamic in any Star Trek fiction. The Vesta Class is an incredibly cool ship, Dax makes for a super interesting captain by having thousands of years of experience whilst being simultaneously inexperienced, and pretty much all of the Aventine's bridge crew are really unique and interesting characters. Great storyline from some amazing novels.
Oh, please tell me Ezri and Bashir made it till the end.
Anh Triệu, I suppose I could tell you, but do you really not want to read it?
I thought Ezri was a ship counselor?
Mike d She was promoted after DS9 and, after transfers and more promotions, became captain of the Aventine in 2385, I think
Yeah, she switched to the command division after she took command of the Defiant in a combat situation and received a battlefield commission, Bashir was not happy about this and felt it was a betrayal of her commitments to the Sciences, they didn't get on too well after that.
This sounds like a fancy gravimetric torpedo in essence.
Eh, the easiest and most destruction weapon to use would be 2-3 tons of water held in one's cargo bay, released at maximum impulse with the Borg Cube behind them.
The Cube would impact the water at near lightspeed, resulting in a near total matter-to-energy conversion of the water. (it'd be like the Cube hitting a 2-3 ton asteroid at lightspeed).
The math for 2 tons of water = 230 megatons of energy released instantly.
Whereas a standard photon torpedo (rated at 18.5 isotons in Star Trek parlance) only releases 90 megatons. Now, the math means that 1 isoton = 5 megatons... therefore the water would equal 44.7 isotons.
And that's on the upper end of the explosive power of a quantum torpedo.
But water is a whole lot easier to get ahold of.
Or you could load large tungsten steel rods and do the same thing, I would imagine the destructive power would be greater due to the much denser object being used plus you could load many of these for multiple strikes as apposed to the water one shot.
True, it's just a mass to energy conversion.
I just figured that water would be pretty easy for the replicators to create in large quantities.
Wouldn't the Borg's navigational deflector push the H2O molecules out of the ship's path? That is what navigational deflectors do, after all; push particles up to the size of small asteroids out of the path of the ship whilst it is moving at relativistic speed. Not sure the steel rods would fare any better. What's to stop the Borg from pushing them out of the way with tractor beams that can easily move masses in excess of 4,500,000 metric tons?
Tractor beams, being a form of electromagnetic energy, would be moving only slightly faster than the ships themselves. Factor in the time it would take for the computer to observe the event (ie: register the light reflecting from the rods), process the information, and then energize and activate the tractor beam... and we are talking about hundreds of millionths of a second.
I highly doubt even the Borg can react that fast.
As for the deflector dish... if the explosive power of the water is roughly that of a quantum torpedo, you'd have to ask then why Borg cubes don't do the same *TO* quantum torpedoes from the Federation.
And since they can't (or, at least, it's never been shown in any Star Trek episode)... then it stands to reason that their deflector dish *CAN'T* move that amount of explosive power out of the way.
Trek tractor beams are stated in canon to have graviton and subspace (magic!) properties (memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Tractor_beam).
Comparing water to Quantum Torpedoes is a faulty assumption. They could both potential hit with great force, but one is designed to penetrate enemy defenses. The other is made up of molecules that can be more easily deflected than denser matter, such as small asteroids, which 23rd century nav-deflectors can deal with, even while extended past other ships (Mudd's Women, TOS).
Again, the navigational deflectors are designed to push particles much denser than water from the path of ships moving at relativistic velocities (memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Navigational_deflector). You can ignore this sci-fi magic if you wish, but it is a stated part of the canon. As to why the Borg don't push Quantums, both Photon Torpedoes and Quantum Torpedoes are shielded to prevent them from being easily intercepted by point defense systems (memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Photon_torpedo).
Actually the concept of transphasic technology was later studied upon and installed on all shipwide systems in the 2430s, as well as the eclipse class Enterprise G, having fully functioning transphasic phasers and shielding, as well as torpedoes, but quantum torpedoes remained as the standard armament.
2:31...thats a badass looking federation ship...reminds me a bit of the ship designs from Mass Effect but most notably the Normandy SR-1 and SR-2 designs.
Yeah, totally agreed. the Aventine is one of my all time favorite ships, i'll get around to doing a video on that at some point. :D
STO should provide a metric fuckton of proper visual metrial to work with :3
Love these shorts on WMD type weapons. May I request the Doomsday weapon from TOS? In the novels it has quite an expanded history
TNG novels
Vendetta,
Before Dishonor,
Armageddons Arrow
I always had an issue with the idea of bringing back weapons from the future to win a battle in the past, Think about it for a second, If we are still alive in the future to create these super weapons then we must have somehow won the battle in the past the first time without them. ((BUT)), By bringing them back to the past all we did was allow the Borg to adapt to them many decades sooner than they would have and thus making the Borg even more powerful than they should have been.
Best way to deal with the borg: Pure Kinetic energy, why don't they just use railguns???
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Borg vessels are highly decentralized, and can regenerate from up to 70% of the superstructure being damaged/destroyed. Railguns tend to have to exchange power for firing arcs, and are usually cumbersome, either being massive turrets or built directly into a ship's superstructure.
I loved the sheer intensity you had to your voice for this. More people need to have that degree of rehearsed intent in videos.
We can thank Admiral Janeway's diligence and ingenuity in developing this weapon (in another alternate universe).
Good old Captain Wipeout
I'm glad you added the bits from the books--they're able to explain so much tech this way!!!! I really enjoy your posts and if you ever want to collaborate--such as discuss a particular movie or book, I'd love that.
I would love to see a Spacedock on the Space Battleship EDF Yamato at some point. And it's 'please don't point that at my planet' Wave Motion Gun. There's quite a few ships in that IP that are decently thought out within the framework of the setting, and even differing fleet tactics based on differing doctrines.
Very well explained and authoritative. I enjoyed this short overview very much.
"Mysterious in origin, and immensely powerful", repeat after me: DEUS EX MACHINA
It's only a Deus Ex Machina when it appears from nowhere at the end of the story.
@@RonJohn63 Well....Deus Ex Caffeinica than
Transphasic.... almost sounds like a subspace seismic charge similar to that of a 20th century submarine Depth Charge?
I love this stuff!!! Just Geeking out all over the office right now..... my hand with pencil.... moving (not fast enough) fast over the paper on my drafting table!! Love it!!
That's actually closer to a normal Photon Torpedo in truth.
I used a more basic explanation about transphasic torpedoes, but your explanation was perfect. I just didn't want to ramble 😀. I just said that shields (or other countermeasures) were useless and that their detonation occurs within the hull. Ok, I was wrong about that, but I was close 😀
But I did hear that the Borg did eventually adapt, although I can't see how...unless the Borg figured out the algorithm that altered the phase of the warhead.
Spectacular work and an enjoyable listen!
Would you consider doing an episode on the Sovereign Class Enterprise 1701-E? You might include its Pre-Nemesis refit, including the load-out of 16 type XII phaser arrays and 10 torpedo launchers. Perhaps the finest vessel of 24th century Starfleet.
The borg adaptation is pure plot magic
Is it bad that I read it as "Transphobic Torpedoes"? I spend too much time watching people argue in the comments.
The Trump Admin is probably actively researching those
Transphobic torpedoes are used by left wing activists, they lost their destructive effect as soon as society figured out they were full of crap.
@@plucas1 Good idea, those degenerates deserve to die!
@@kdrapertrucker Because gay people are never, ever, EVER the targets of prejudice or violence by mouth-breathing right wing bigots. It must all be an illusion, according to our corporate overlords at the super-duper-truthy Fox News.
yeah that is way to much twitter time
I read the title as *"Transphobic Torpedoes"*
Transphasic torpedoes carry a large load of oneshotium .
Major force projection using handwavium also.
Thank you so much from the Romulan star Empire we found this information quite informative
Jolan Tru.
Tx again for the videos... always super informative and thorough. I have a request for a ship video. The *Andromeda Ascendant* from the tv show Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda. It's quite an original design and I'd like to watch your well detailed video of this cool looking ship. Thank you and keep up the good work.
I respect the finesse of the transphasic torpedo. It's a dagger that bypasses defenses.
Still, I prefer the tricobalt warheads. It doesn't have to bypass defenses because it hits with the strength and subtlety of a sledgehammer to an ankle (I'm your biggest fan...).
While glancing over my UA-cam suggestions, I first read it as "transphobic torpedoes".
Capable of destroying all variations of gender across multiple realities.
@@Antisocialnerd2 I have the feeling we need those now :D...There is no mansplaining if there are no men^^
I wonder if a Star Trek series will ever try just launching a tiny black hole at a Borg cube. It would pass through any conceivable shield technology and rip a hole straight through the enemy ship no matter what it's made of -- and irradiate the shit out of the remaining wreckage.
There was an episode of Voyager where they actually escaped from inside the event horizon of a black hole.
On the other hand, you know, Red Matter technology exists now. So basically what happened in Star Trek 2009.
That said, you vastly underestimate the power of Star Trek's subspace gravimetric distortion deflector shields.
Heck, Romulan ships are powered by tiny black holes.
I think a lot of people forget that the Borg collective did not invade en mass at first completely on purpose because the Borg modus operandi is to allow species to develop tactics and technologies to defeat them and then sacrifice a small portion of their greater whole in order to assimilate those strategies and technologies.
I just wanted to say this is a great channel and keep up the great work.
I would love to see you do the Lexx or Leviathans from Farscape :)
"Distributed to....elements of the Klingon Defence Forces..." Giving a highly sophisticated weapon to even an ally lends a greater chance of the secrecy of the weapons' systems to enemy rivals...notably the Romulans. It's a good thing Admiral Janeway (in an alternate universe) developed this weapon Before the Romulans ever had something of this destructive force or we would all be speaking Romulan.
"But by the time of the Borg attack of the Vega colony in 2409, the weapon's continued usage in Starfleet the Klingon Defence Force, and the newly formed Romulan Republic, had caused the Borg, and many other races, to almost completely adapt to the weapon. While still able to penetrate a ship's shields the torpedo did substancially less damage. Also the modularity of ships being built or retrofitted at this time only allowed for dedacated torpedo launchers to be instaled, along side other torpedo launchers, directed energy weapons, which included cannons as well as the standard beam arrays, and/or mine laying devices."
The above was written to try to explain why Transphasic torpedos (and by extension transphasic mines) in Star Trek Online don't do alot of damage when compared to other projectile weapons in the game.
In the Destiny books there was a federation ship that, if I remember correctly, used this technology to phase the entire ship before ramming a Borg cube and thus save a colony.
The crew did this after the Torpedos were rendered nearly useless and just to save this colony.
If the blast wave is out of phase it can't affect matter outside of that phazed space. Just like a ghost you can't touch, cannot touch you. It's own explanation contradicts itself. Somehow the energy would have re-phase to hurt the target. Or the torpedo would have to come out of phase at the last possible moment to avoid shields then explode.
That torpedo is basically a WMD of a very high level.
The Next Generation Torpedo is the mini-B5. It stands for mini Black Hole 5 seconds. Upon firing, a "mini black hole" that will last only five seconds is created. There's no actual impact, the "hole" is shot directly in front or near the enemy vessel via computer calculated trajectory. It may last only 5 seconds, but it is an eternity for the receiving vessel. There's no defense against mini-B5 as it is an actual space anomaly - only running away or equipped with the same technology. The cellular structure of anything caught within the mini-B5 is immediately "de-structured" from the cellular level in such way that it will rip a HUGE CHUNK of your vessel right out like a cookie bite - the shot is so tiny as it's the size of a few atoms most enemies have no idea what just happened.
I applaud your videos thank you .
It seems like transphasic torpedoes can level much planet surface areas if shot at planets.
Janeway waits. Till sheids are at 50%.
Than shoots hummmmm
Maybe she's waiting they will have a change of heart ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
another great video! what was that ship pictured near the end? also plz think about doing The Destiny from SGU or even a video the proposed changes to the NX1 if it got a 5th season!
USS Aventine
The starting background music is very similar to torchwood TV series
and one of my favorite things in sto aaah transphasic cluster torpedo's how I enjoy having you on my ships
Rah, dyslexia makes spacedock more interesting. I read that as Transphobic Torpedos and was like dam, I wonder what Daniel has to say about those oppressive Transphobic Torpedoes
I thoroughly enjoy your videos my friend! Well done! I would love to see your analysis Species 8472’s bioships. It seems that there is not much information available about them and I’ve always been curious about their capabilities from an analytical perspective. Again, thank you very much for the great content!
I just watched that episode on H&I digital channel. they have all star trek series from 7 to 12 pm.
As I recall the technology is identical to phase cloaking (USS Pegasus). Every torpedo has small cloaking device and phase cloaked aftet launch so it passed everything. I dont remember where I read/heard that :) The Krenim had a similar torpeados - but time/chroniton based.
Transphasic torpedoes are powered by the highly-refined weapons-grade plotonium.
Well.. Transphasic torps worked on Voyager.. which is a small ship.. so clearly they could have easily been placed upon most standard vessels.. the same size or larger.. for better defense capability.
So if I understand correctly multiple shockwaves from the detonation one would have knocked out shields the next damage the ablative armor and a third would breach the hull
dude can you do a Borg tactical fusion cube review ? or how would BTFC do vs other ships even the ones from Star Wars ?
janeway from alt future created it herself after studying defferi probe prototype designs. thats what it sounds like from sto thay did something to save the alpha quadrant from the borg and it is pritty hush hush as it was not supposed to be a tactical advantage gift.
aaah, Starship Voyager and it's magical sefl-replicating torpedoes
Great to see book canon in a video! More please!
That was very nice, I quite enjoyed the use of the Destiny Trilogy.
Ahh. The 2380s. The wine was great in 2382.
Im dislexic and sometimes as today its hillarious, because i read ransphobic torpedoes... oh the hillarity
Please please do a video in the same stile on the International Space Station and how it has done more than any other vessel to advance the human understanding needed for the Federation/Human Empire/Imperium/Expance/'verce etc. etc. to form it would be so awesome.
I'm either being drunk, or that was about 3 and a half minutes of pure technobabble.
And I still use them in STO. I'm actually about to get the Resonating version to complete the set too!
that admiral still alive my god
I swear i read “transphobic torpedoes” and had to scroll back and watch just to be sure lol
Would love more vids about Star Trek weaponary, i really like them :D
A video about the voyager or starfleets greatest captains would be awesome 😊 go janeway!
Transphasic weaponry technology was shared with "elements of the Klingon defense forces". Sharing top secret data on our weapons systems with a former enemy could be problematic. It appears that the TIES between the Klingons and Federation forces became stronger and stronger after the Dominion wars. The Klingon's star forces were fairly depleted after the war with the Dominion and would take decades before they recoup those losses.
OK... Here is my crazy theory... Transphasic torpedoes are a technology provided to humans by Species 8472 in appreciation for their providing the Nanite Torpedo Intel that caused the species to lose the war with the Borg
Hmmmm Voyager looked like a model ship or Play toy in the Voth ship.
Wonder what a Borg ship would look like.
( A Cube )
Did I detect Torchwood’s theme at the beginning of the video?
Perhaps a video on the complexities of warp propulsion?
The books are a fantastic read.
Any way to compare Transphasic Torpedoes to the Proton Torpedoes of the Star Wars universe? (Speed, destructive power, ect.)
Great job on the video like always. Sometime you should do The Destiny from SGU.
I know this is a bit off topic but I always wondered if the Death Star's super laser would even affect Star Trek or Borg technology? Would even the power to destroy a planet be useful since it is still just a laser and therefore inferior to Phaser type tech?
The Death Star's main gun is ludicrously powerful even by Star Trek standards, maybe if there were multiple Borg Ships, the rest of the fleet could adapt after the first one went down, but the first Cube hit wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell against that kind of power.
As I recall, although they call it a 'laser', almost nothing called such in Star Wars actually is a laser. Turbo Lasers for instance clearly are shooting a projectile that is far slower than light speed and disobeys many laser properties. The Super Laser is very likely the same as it too doesn't properly conform to actual lasers. A laser may be involved in the weapon in some manner, but they are more consistent with some type of matter projection like a plasma bolt or the like.
Either way, highly doubtful the ST ships could shrug off a planet destroying one. About the closest equivalent you see is species 8472's ships combining blasts to similarly blow up a planet, and their beams even singularly could easily destroy Borg cubes even after the Borg had prolonged exposure to such and time to adapt.
All that said, I don't think the Death Star would last long in ST. ST has shown their weapons are VASTLY more accurate, as well as their sensors, so they might actually detect the weakness in the DS's design and be able to exploit such at great range. On top of that, with warp maneuvering they could stay out of the firing arc quite easily. SW has a massive long distance travel speed advantage, but on pretty much all other fronts they're about even or outclassed by ST.
Turbo lasers are in fact particle accelerators that shoot bunndles of charged particles, also known as plasma. These actually do work at sub-light speeds mainly because plasma starts to lose cohesion at relativistic speeds.
Even the Death Stars "Super Laser" was nothing other then a super large and devastating plasma beam cannon.
The lasers in Star Wars are actually plasma cannons and yes the death Star would be able to destroy one before they adapt and the Death star 2 could blow up a fleet before they adapt. They will still adapt and then the death star is screwed.
Even if the Borg adapt, I don't think the ships have enough power for the shields to resist the shot.
"Boy, it's sure good we can make these things and shrink-wrap the Voyager in Impregnium in two days with no supplies or shipyard support. Shame it breaks Star Trek to the point they'll have to jump through hoops to explain how anyone can be a threat when we have future technology instantly available that can vaporize any ship in known space with one shot and can make every ship in the fleet invulnerable in days."
Just imagine the damage transphasic pulse phaser cannons could do. Each normal phaser cannon pulse is already layered like an onion.
I'm not saying Starfleet fundamentally lacks the capacity to think strategically and even tactically, but they seem to have a long and bellicose history of screwing the pooch.
what is the blast radius of a torpedo and visited equal to 1000 Megaton nuke detonation in water if you made a shaped charge where was focused all the power into one spot with it punch through a bored shoulder any shielding
Nice Video but for me these torpedos were the last nail in the coffin of the coolnes of the borg
Wait , where does the battle with Ricker, Picard and Dax takes place?
Spacedock i'm wondering if you're willing to do the Honor harrington series. It's a lesser known series than Star Wars or Star Trek, but it is a very "Technical" series.
Transphasic Torpedoes are the Star Trek version of the Ancient's (Stargate) Drone Weapons
This one was really cool- I'm curious where the Borg invasion of 2381 happened? Was that in a series or novelization?
Also, since we're discussing serious weapons to combat the Borg, I would like to submit a request for a breakdown of the Doomsday Machines- Both from TOS and the TNG novel, Vendetta.
Thanks for the well thought out and entertaining videos. I love them!
Star Trek Destiny Trilogy, by David Mack. You can see the source listed in the top right corner during the second half of the video, I intend to always do that if I'm breaking from main continuity. :)
Yup- I saw that on the second watch and reading some comments.. :-) Thanks again!
If the torp causes sub space shockwaves then should it not be banned as its a subspace weapon which are banned.
I like this channel a lot better than the “Lore” channel.that guys voice is annoying,he leans too heavy on humor (or how he TRIES to be humorous) and he’s arrogant.this guys British accent immediately makes you pay attention and it’s like watching an educational video. Well done.
what about the tri-cobalt devices from Voyager's pilot? Could we get a discussion of those?
So to simplify it, its a bomb that detonates multiple times and each explosion has varying yields
Shenaniganizer
Not exactly. Its more like a bomb laser that explodes on every frequency at the same time. Even if you design a shield to perfect block out some of the light most wavelengths will pass straight through.
where are you getting all this info? i dont recall the episode where picard and dax work together, i'm pretty sure i have watch all star trek episode
What shop is pictured at the 2:47 of this video?
that is how it works. now we know
Most interesting.
2:55 Huh? Dax, a Lieutenant, Junior Grade in DS9, rose four ranks or more during Picard's time as a Captain? (That sounds very fanficky.)
I believe the reason given in the books was because Ezri possessed the memories of Jadzia, they elevated her to Jadzia's rank post-Dominion War and then she basically worked from there. As for it happening during Picard's time as Captain, that was also explained by him rejecting their first advances to promote him to Admiral in the books :
"Now, don't be rash, Jean-Luc.... You've proven yourself. You've earned this. It's a chance for you to make a real difference."
"A wise man once told me, 'Don't let them promote you, don't let them transfer you, don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there, that's where you can make a difference."
"And what fool told you that?"
"James T. Kirk."
(mutters) "There's little point in arguing with that then..."
Anyone know on what year the Enterprise-E got the transphasic torpedoes?
Where was "Daniels" or "Kraxton" who intervene in time traveling events that change the course of history?
One quick question. Where are the transphasic torpedoes in Star Trek Picard? I guess being that Voyager makes it home which apparently changes the future......well......maybe in this timeline, they were never invented. I could be wrong.
How could the Borg study a Torpedo that basically destroys them instantly? They only 'learn' by assimilating.....
nice video
How about doing a show on the quantum torpedos from Star Trek
Any chance of a vid about the stealth ships used in The Expanse?
borg cube destroyed in one shot? holy shit lol