The Real Reason The 2025 Sea Doo Release is a Disaster
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Bear with me here, as I go on an absolute rant about the state of Sea Doo. Let me know if I'm wrong. Let me know if I'm right. Let me know if the general public is feeling the squeeze of the economy. #seadoo #yamaha #pwc #watercraft #jetski
Wanna know what's stopping me and all my buddies from buying new rxps this year? The vomit tan color that they thought was a good idea lol. They need to fire whoever came up with that idea.
the colors are horrible, i didn't even get to that part. however, the same rxp 325 is available in 2024. just get a discounted one. they are still on the dealership floors in my area lol. the grey/green and red/black aren't too bad.
THE COLORS ON THE WAKE PRO ARE TERRIBLE!
@@WeTryMotorsports The spark trixx colors don't look terrible. Atleast in the videos.
@@Leo3247-x1f they don't pop as much as they should. not great imo
@@WeTryMotorsports do you like the red? I honestly think 2023 had the best colors
I agree with some of your takes.
1) Yes the latest line up caters more towards those who have established careers and retirees. But also remember, Florida is the mecca of all boat and PWC sales. Florida is also where people have money and retirees.
2) I agree Yamaha saw the spark sales and wanted to jump into that demographic, but like you mentioned I believe they priced themselves out of that entry level demographic because they are not the cheapest option for entry level jetskies.
3) I think you're ignoring the GTI model. It's that in-between choice from entry level to the fish scout. You can use it for fun and for fishing.
4) The GTX Limited now feels like an actual prestige model and the colours are not bad.
5) The switch Fish looks great (we knew this was eventually coming) and is still a cheaper choice then a small fishing boat and the colour isn't bad. Camo green always looks good on a fishing boat. I think the switch fish comes at the lowest length of 18 because you need room to cast and store the trolling motor as well have room away from the Bimini.
6) I believe the new spark lineup will be next year or the year after because they just announced the new look of the spark for 2024 and wanted to focus on the other models.
All in all the reveals are targeted to the growing fishing sector and it's just another option to their fishing lineup. And as we know, with great fishing features comes great fishing costs. The GTX was suppose to be the new fun on the water entry and I think we'll see the new spark(s) lineup in the next year or 2. There's no hurry simply because the spark still outsells everything out there...but now it will have competition from Yamaha which will force Seadoo now to compete more heavily in the rec lite market.
@@mikemayoral7356 solid points
I just "bought" myself a 24 jet blaster after having my first ski a 98 seadoo XP limited(130hp 2 stroke 🥴). One of the funnest things I've ever bought. Unfortunately with the age the reliability was very questionable on the water so I ended up getting the blaster closest thing I can get that was still all fiberglass hoping it lasts for many years. I think they're going bigger with skis because of the emissions regulations just like on regular cars. Cars used to be so small back then now. small cars now are big cars back then
Another Canadian here and prices up here are even worse. Instead of buying a 15k new Sea Doo GTI (really 20,000ish after buying a trailer, taxes and the other charges up here). I'm rebuilding/restoring my 96 GTX for less than a quarter of the price. Makes no sense financially for me to buy new.
a 27k switch compact fish would have been ideal. 45k entry price is killing an entire segment that would have been interested. The tiny boat crowd kills the market for the Apex.
I think you're 100% right. NO ONE is paying cash for JetSki's. Everyone is financing, especially the people who make under $100K a year. Lot's of 2023 and 2024 models still sitting on the floor at my local dealer
thats me brand new 23 0 percent financing by sea doo!
Not true
I am millennial/ gen z. Bought a 2019 RXTX 300 from a friend for 8700 bucks cash money. Had to replace an oil cooler but other than that it’s given me close to 100 hours of run time this season. Roughly 430 hours on the dash and I plan to run it until it blows up, and rebuild the engine. For me, used skis are the way to go to get bang for buck but I understand not everyone can work on them themselves.
@@shawnholiday7386 That's what I'm talking about! pretty soon people won't be able to afford the new skis at the current rate so people like us wouldn't be able to purchase used ones for good prices. nobody wants to lose 10-15 grand in a year, especially on pleasurecraft. cars are understandable but things we don't need tend to be the last things we buy. my first 30 skis were under $1,000 lol. this is why we see so many people purchasing skis from the 90s and early 2000s. it's affordable, we can fix them and it gives us the same amount of smiles per miles.
@@WeTryMotorsports agreed. I honestly don’t think I will buy new for a long time. They are relatively simple to work on and I don’t need the tech or bells and whistles that the new ones have. I do love my speaker system though. If I see something that I have to have I’ll just wait a few years and buy a solid used one. Long story short, The die hards will always find a way to get out on the water. I’ve taken chances on many used skis and dollar for fun I’d say I am way in the green. Fix things when they break and send it!
@@shawnholiday7386 preaching absolute facts
I used to have a 2022 spark tricks to up loved it to death but I traded it in on a Yamaha GP 1800 Sea-Doo needs to make that at least 125 horsepower
Color is important to me.
@@kkutube1972 I don't disagree, I think looks are a huge part of purchasing something. if you hate the way it looks it doesn't matter how it performs
Yep. No one wants to spend money on ugly.
So my question as a prospective first-time PWC buyer is: does the 2025 Yamaha JetBlaster Pro merit the $2,000 price premium over the Sea Doo Spark Trixx? That's a pretty good chunk of change. What are you getting for that money? Fiberglass hull. More power (canceled out by more weight). Nicer LCD display. Anything else?
I do wish the Pro came in the colorway of the DLX. Love that red/white/blue combo. Love the aqua color on the Pro hull but I'm not super hot on the pale yellow top deck. Even in the Eighties I would have said no thanks to that. Wish they offered two color options.
Also that new beige (mud, sand, clay, bandaid) + blue on the 2025 Trixx is an abomination. What's next, Realtree Camo?
These are great questions actually.
1. You're getting the TR1 motor in the Yamaha vs the Rotax 900 motor in the Sea doo. Many people (me included) believe the TR1 motor to be more reliable and have higher horsepower output available than the 900 HO. The 900 can be tuned to 110 reliably, and 120 kind of sketchy. The TR1 however can be tuned to a potential 150 without too much wear. Reliably it can be tuned to 130 with minimal wear. Think of it as a higher potential for power output, which is MUCH needed out of a ski of this size. The Spark basically has the maximum output of power for the entry of the Blaster. Sea doo has long been dragging their feet with installing the 1630 motor in the spark, and this is where they are going to suffer a large blow.
2. The fiberglass lower half is the big ticket item here. This is were a lot of Sea Doo haters hold their contemp. While it's mostly nonsense, it DOES still offer a higher quality ride in chop and through the rough and tumble. It DOES come with its downfalls - weight. Will that suffer the fun factor? Not sure, I haven't been on one yet.
3. The LCD screen is a null issue for me, I'm hardly ever admiring a watch or tablet while I'm on the water.
4. I also wish they offered more colors, but I'm assuming that's in the works for the next few years for Yamaha. They just released this line, so I'm assuming this is going to be a while, so sit back and watch the colors fly over the next few years. Sea doo will release colors every year, as they had done in the past.
5. The BIGGEST question is HOW will Sea Doo react to this release from Yamaha? Well the real answer is we'll have to see if they even care. They should, especially if Yamaha dropped the price an additional grand, that'd mark the grave for the Spark. IF Sea Doo releases the 1630 Spark, now we have competition again.
You're going to be happy pretty much with anything, but I would stay FAR away from a 2024 / 2025 Spark, you'll be incredibly pissed when they come out with the new motor jump. The JetBlaster on the other hand, that's going to be in production for at least a few years. I'd say that would be my next choice.... but Sea Doo will respond next year.
@@dokedoker3340 Glad to see an actual spark owner here. They're super fun, 2024 Sea Doo redesigned the top deck 4" wider on each side ... meaning it COULD fit a 1630. Just letting you know that eventually they are doing to put one in there OR at least enhance the 900 HO. it's only a matter of time
No way I’m paying that much for a jet ski. I have a 2017 Yamaha VX that I bought in 2019 with 23 hours on it. cost me 10k cash including the triton trailer.
nice scoop!
Disagree, I can’t find one at the dealer. All sold out . What U talking about? ?
Any feedback on the new Sea Doo Touchscreens in relation to working with wet fingers and impact of sun damage?
@@IRWE905 I never used the touch screen, so I couldn't answer that. sun damage is long term. the switch and spark see the worst for sun damage but nothing changed for those
Unfortunately when everything in price is through the roof. Sea doo isn't ganna sell for less than the rest of the market
@@coastiejake6890 that's not my take here at all. sea doo still is king of price, it's that they made a ski and boat top price for their own lineup while not reading the room
@WeTryMotorsports no I hear ya, I'm not surprised what they priced the switch fish at. I was really looking forward to it, but In my opinion the price is too steep, when the regular switches can probably be easily modded for cheaper. Sea Doo says 44k is cheaper than premium outboard fishers, but you can find nice center consols for cheaper than that.
@@coastiejake6890 exactly, I did a few takes of this video but one of them was actually showing off available boats at Bass pro shops lol. it had available bass boats and center console boats for 18-35k haha
The Spark can be flashed to 120 hp, do a bit more to the engine and there is plenty more to go.
@@st5637 I've done this, not sure if you've seen my videos on tuning haha.
I dont think its a disaster, but I was definitely much less excited about this years release announcement than I was about the past couple years. At least Kawasaki is still teasing something for the stand up market, because all 3 brands so far haven't dont much for me at all. Oh and whoever decided to not keep the red colors for RXPX and RXTX should be fired. The bronze and red is okay; I havent seen it in person, but man that red is AMAZING.
oh and for what its worth, all of my friends have either bought stand ups, sparks or older skis. I got a RXTX from 4 years ago when I could get one with a trailer for less than 20k, but just like you said, I am the outlier.
@@badm0t0rf1ng3r less than 20k is great. no longer can we find that, and that's my point. the price increase and the hidden fees are out of control in the last 2 years. we're being bled dry through nickels and dimes. and i agree, the red ski from last year was a beauty.
@WeTryMotorsports I held out on buying an rxpx this year hoping they would bring back the red in 2025. Guess I'm gonna scour dealership near me for one.
I am Gen X on the precipice of retirement and was looking to make a Fish Pro Trophy into what an Apex is. I think it's great that I can get this from the factory.
@@DispatchGod you are the target audience for this, congrats haha. it's great for you guys for sure and I bet you'll be really happy with it.
In the UK we paying around $33/35,000 for The New RXP325 out the door.
Beyond a joke 😮
@@stuarts3016 💀
I agree with everything except for the statement of creating more sparks and switch BRP use of plastic is epic it’s cheap. It’s unreliable. It creates a lot of problems and this is coming from somebody that has worked on BRP SeaDoo’s for 30 years. I think there’s a better way and they should go back to Fibreglass and gelcoat for the amount of money that we are paying for these machines, the quality of the product is abysmal people need to send BRP a message. Stop building garbage out of garbage bags.
@@ricktufts1168 coming from somebody of a similar background, I don't believe the problem is the hull. I do believe the problem is the price entry point for plastic. based on your response you are very biased towards fiber glass, which makes sense judging by your old school background. it's what you grew up with, it's what you know. if anybody is cracking the hull, they're doing something wrong. does it have less give than fiberglass? sure. does the average rider break these or care? absolutely not. I think if Sea-Doo makes the 1630 spark, it SHOULD have a fiberglass bottom deck though. the entry point will be above 10k at that point though. affordability will be gone but the diehards who want the spark x will purchase it regardless. again good points but I don't believe plastic is necessarily a problem. just the entry point for price, which I do agree with. I'm willing to go toe to toe here and discuss
Exactly to my point when you said sparks should have a fiberglass hull and yes the price point would be higher but so to would the quality. Quality is not profitable that’s why BRP is using CM Tech and Thermofilm and Polytech all garbage. Everyone has an opinion but mine is based on 30 years of BRP technology. My opinion is that when you manufacture a product that is made almost entirely of plastic that there is no value in such products. People will buy it because BRP is one of the best companies at marketing garbage just my opinion 😊
@@ricktufts1168 you misheard my take on the spark. again, that's your opinion. I've been in this game 25 years, so I'm no novice. I'm not a master technician but I know a good amount based on this channel alone. I can tell you for sure that the spark polytec was a brilliant design from a manufacturers standpoint. I highly recommend to get on one and in one. it's not as bad as you may think it is. however, we can definitely discuss further along. again, I did not state the spark is better fiberglass at all. I said the 1630 spark would benefit from a fiberglass lower hull due to the power jump and weight increase.
Im a gen x and i would never buy any of this. I spent 4k and bought a superjet and completely restored it from the ground up. Everything is brand new and it looks brand new. I would rather restore old then purchase any of this junk and i will fish from my boat not a pwc. Thats like trying use a clown car for a rv. No room for anything 😂
@@jeffbryner5355 I love my old stuff too, don't get me wrong. however, I do love fishing off the skis. it's so much fun. this is coming from somebody with multiple boats haha
@WeTryMotorsports haha to each there own my friend. As long as you enjoy it that's all that really matters. For me I like to bring people with me to the lake and be able to move around as well so pwc fishing won't allow me to do that. I guess if I fished by myself it would be a different story
@@jeffbryner5355 just wait until you go out on 6 different skis with 6 different people fishing. we had done this on a striper run one year. every one of us caught about 20 10+ lb fish off our skis. we we're circling the reef like a bunch of hungry gulls nailing fish after fish. then we swung down to the pavilion, tied off to the ropes after a few hours and got some beers. I've never had a day so fun in my life. good memories with great friends.
Canadian here-
Apex - $40k
House - $800k
Apex - 2 years paid off
House - 60 years paid off
Seems like a no brainer to me.
@@ARouser15 Step 1: Buy apex. Step 2: Live in Apex. Step 3: ??? Step 4: Profit
@@WeTryMotorsports Yes I may die at sea on a sunken tupperware container, but if I succeed, I will have zoomed fished and whoohood my life away.
If you succeed you will get to work on time, pay all the bills, go through divorce and alimony, and reverse mortgage your dry tupperware container that never went anywhere, until you die of boring old age.
I mean these products are forecasted and designed for release years in advanced. This 2025 release was forecasted during the time of plenty. BRP already announced layoffs for their Switch factory due to a softening sales.
this is kind of where I was segwaying the conversation. the overall point of this video is Sea-Doo somehow is totally ignoring the general public which is wild and very bold. the public has been screaming at Sea-Doo and it's being ignored. which is why now we see major amounts of layoffs because they're making products nobody really wants to buy.
Yeah it's a disaster tbh... Worst lineup since 2017.. the colors this year was bad. Only the wakepro was desent. But no Spark trixx 130hp, no gtr 300.
@@Exchangesexchanges dead on 🎯 but it goes even deeper. they are straight up ignoring the public which is always a mistake
They do have a GTR 300? The GTRX. What am I missing here?
@@All-Miles-Matter pretty sure was 325 he meant but I didn't take that at face value
Look how a much new center console a wake boat and pontoon cost. These are bargains compared to what these cost.
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One thing i noticed too was the apex was going to be a limited edition and they are only going to make so many of them.
@@paulhuval smart on their part, it's not going to sell that well anyways lol
@@WeTryMotorsports I would totally get one if I won the lottery lol
Ivy only ridden a spark twice and I’m not saying the high performance models such as the Rxp-325 and gp1800 are cheap by any means but I feel like their more of a thrilling ride but at the same time more playful through their unrelenting aggression but regardless I feel like a spark x with a minimum of 150 would be the move and don’t Seattle did anything less
@@NoPrxssure depends what you consider thrilling. I don't think top speed or straight line is thrilling. never has been, never was to me. wake jumping, 180s, 360 into tail stands are more fun for me. again to each their own. HOWEVER the spark needs a boost in neck snapping acceleration and it needs to go about 60. the 110 tune is great but if the 1630 comes out at 130hp it can be tuned to 170hp easily.
Too much $ for plastic toys.
Seadoo reminds me of the apple Corp of the water. They dont want you tuning there stuff like apple didn't want you jailbreaking there phones and wouldn't use 3rd party apps. thats why fuel tech had to make their own stand alone ecm for seadoos meanwhile yamaha has people tuning the hell out of there stuff and actually holds the world record for top speed regardless of seadoo having a 325hp engine. The tr1 handles turbos real well. Its been done with tje r1 motorcycle and there side by sides that also use the same engine. While seadoo has a 900cc 90hp engine yamahas 1049 110hp engine can be turned to 180 hp easy. Let ol green hulk get ahold of it lol. Its been done in the side by sides. Idk if seadoo will ever make a fast spark but they better do something fast because the reviews out there people are saying the jetblaster is what the spark should have been. Even gregs review he says its the best in class
no mention of the explorer! just got me a 23 :)
@@mfairba nice! hopefully got a nice discount so late in the year!
Well, there are people that have plenty of money. Don’t project your own circumstances onto others.
$30k for a PWC IS insane, but I bet they sell a shit ton of them.
it's not my circumstances speaking about necessarily, you must have missed my point.
I’m just saying my local Sea Doo dealer still has 22, & 23’s in crates that they haven’t opened. & the showroom is full ( I have NEVER seen it that full). Units are still moving but, they are holding quite a large inventory!
Crying over luxury toys you can't afford because you can't grow your channel because you complain too much is a vicious cycle that will eventually force you to go back to selling furniture and appliances at Costco.
Unlike you, there are millions of American consumers who have two income families of four that can manage to somehow save enough from their budget to buy pairs of these relatively inexpensive recreational vehicles for cash.
Get a real job, yo.
@@dustup2249 🤣🤣 you must be new here
@@WeTryMotorsports Was is the operative word.
The presenters are aweful and fake!
@@deplorablechump8758 they're just doing their job. could you imagine if you had one of us a-holes doing the release? lmao
No interesting in fishing. Would like a switch compact or 18. Prices crazy so was looking at a 2023 or 24…….promotions on those r weak 🥲around 43 thousand for the compact after taxes and fees 🇨🇦 crazy
Exactly, sea doo has lost touch with reality. Sea Doo always has been an aggressively priced company, but they lost their vision in favor of greed. They need to go back to basics. The switch compact was SUPPOSED to beat out every other "boat" in the category. 2022 model year was 18000. 2025 model year is 24000. it doesn't make any sense. BUT the out the door fees with freight, shipping, and others is insane. there are literally switch units sitting on the showroom floor for the 2023 and 2024 model years. they need to figure out the general public is not going to spend 40 grand on a boat. 25 maybe, not 40. the fees are getting outrageous. It's a niche market as it is, now it's out of range for people entering the market.