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    With families now shifting to SUVs and dual-cabs (for some reason), the humble sedan and wagon aren't bought in higher numbers, but we'd argue these are actually the perfect solution for most families and the Mazda 6 might just be the king of the hill. But what should you look out for if you're in the market, what goes wrong with them? Watch to find out.
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  • @Adl_hillsrider
    @Adl_hillsrider 3 місяці тому +339

    Bring back wagons, not SUVs!

    • @daweigo6851
      @daweigo6851 3 місяці тому +5

      Try get Nana out of a wagon or put in baby seats and bubs, no thanks, give me suv😅😅

    • @BinkBricks
      @BinkBricks 3 місяці тому +20

      @@daweigo6851Isn’t nana short and can’t get all the way up into an SUV? I know mine can’t get in an SUV

    • @rdmz135
      @rdmz135 3 місяці тому +19

      ​@@daweigo6851wagons are more spacious for baby seats and nana

    • @michaelinzitari
      @michaelinzitari 3 місяці тому +30

      Wagon easier to reach into middle of car. Wagon easier to load baby capsule. Wagon easier for toddler to climb into chair so I can do up harness.
      So far that’s all positives to the wagon.
      Wagon has 15% more storage than cx5. But infinitely more usable storage.
      Wagon lighter
      Stops quicker
      Turns harder
      Accelerates quicker
      Cheaper rego
      Uses less fuel
      Ok and now the advantages of SUV
      MORE VISIBILITY for you but less for car behind you
      Shorter car

    • @con9605
      @con9605 3 місяці тому +4

      And a run of panel vans whilst the companies are at it!🤣

  • @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310
    @mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 3 місяці тому +55

    The Mazda red is hands down the most beautiful colour to see a mainstream car since for ever…

    • @michaelmcleary8566
      @michaelmcleary8566 2 місяці тому +1

      I must agree with you, it is incredible!

    • @07kstephen
      @07kstephen 14 днів тому +1

      Soul red I think we call it 😏

  • @ElGroodleReezo
    @ElGroodleReezo 3 місяці тому +88

    This channel is going to single handedly convince me to buy a lowered Mazda 6 turbo wagon once my golf carks it, and honestly im not mad about it

    • @ReDriven
      @ReDriven  3 місяці тому +40

      * whispering in ear *
      "Do it..."

    • @UncleJoeLITE
      @UncleJoeLITE 3 місяці тому +1

      May as well start looking now! =)

    • @bartandaelus359
      @bartandaelus359 3 місяці тому +2

      I am literally about to list my GTI mk6 specifically to find the purchase of a Mazda 6 wagon.

    • @ianverhees6884
      @ianverhees6884 3 місяці тому +1

      If you can find one!

    • @NERDLYFE-es9ef
      @NERDLYFE-es9ef 2 місяці тому +1

      Buy it but not lowered

  • @paulwang5213
    @paulwang5213 3 місяці тому +36

    I have a wagon and my brother has a SUV and man, I can't ever imagine owning a SUV for 90% of my usage. Wagons are just soo bloody sick to drive! love wagons ❤

  • @tysontrogdon6264
    @tysontrogdon6264 3 місяці тому +24

    I live in the U.S. and I have a 2016 sedan. Had it since October 2015 when it was new, and it now is soon to crest 80,000 miles. Has been and continues to be a great car.

    • @samueladams2340
      @samueladams2340 27 днів тому

      My '15 M6 sedan has 140k miles and it's still going strong. Standard maintenance with minimal repairs done.

  • @keepower
    @keepower 3 місяці тому +69

    Ex 6 owner here. My experience is to stay away from the 2.2L skyactiv-D variant. I owned a top spec diesel MY2016 sedan since new. It was very well equipped, and drove beautifully until the engine started having all sorts of problems from the beginning of year #6. My last repair bill was $3000 kiwi.

    • @MecTecher
      @MecTecher 3 місяці тому +10

      Mazda has always had terrible diesel engines with the exception of BT-50 which is sourced from Isuzu instead

    • @danielpedersen2578
      @danielpedersen2578 3 місяці тому +1

      What kind of issues did you experience? I have mazda 2013 2.2L diesel engine with 130000km on it. I'm getting kind of scared, should i worry?😅

    • @GT-pl1wx
      @GT-pl1wx 3 місяці тому +5

      ​@@danielpedersen2578Driving mine since 2015. Now it has 110K miles. Needed a new turbo at 75K miles. Mazda paid the whole bill. It was 2 years after warranty. Almost no other appreciably issues. But one thing worries me: The exhaust gases that are being burnt again producing carbon black in different parts of the engine. But that's inevitable and due to the mad emission standards here in Germany. Still today there is no other car in the market I would choose over a 6. Drives like a BMW, has a high gas mileage, low maintenance costs, still looks fresh ...and can be used a as a mobile home! Yes, that's what we've done a lot of times!😊

    • @bencoory5917
      @bencoory5917 3 місяці тому +5

      A friend of mine has a cx5 with the 2.2D, it's on its third head gasket at 160,000kms, I'd never buy a mazda diesel EVER!

    • @cameronlee2678
      @cameronlee2678 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@GT-pl1wx how much did it cost to rebuild the turbo?

  • @ravipeiris4388
    @ravipeiris4388 2 місяці тому +4

    Living in California, I don't see many Mazda 6's, but when I do, their styling looks amazing 🎉

  • @billwelsford7301
    @billwelsford7301 3 місяці тому +16

    As an owner of one of these from new since mid 2013 I fully concur with this review. Mine is the 2.5L petrol Touring Level Sedan. The leather trim (yes, the parts you actually sit on are real perforated leather, not vinyl like a $80k Merc or something these days )and the Bose Amp and speakers made this the sweet spot in the range over the hard riding GT on 19s with a sunroof and better lamps but for quite a few thousand more. Admittedly low km (about 75k) I have had ZERO problems apart from the development of the occasional harsh gear downshift which was fixed at service by the Mazda dealer via a computer reset and some software upgrade FOR FREE, and the car was old and way out of warranty by then - see how you get on at a VW or Merc dealer with something similar! No squeaks, no rattles, nothing has falling off. One set of replacement tyres, one battery, still on original brakes. Long term economy 7.4L/100km - Corolla type fuel economy. My silver paint has been excellent so I don’t know about the complaints on that, perhaps it varies with colour. People who complain about power are probably used to modern turbo motors and have forgotten how to drive an atmo vehicle. Mid range torque maximum at 250 Nm is still very good for a 2.5L atmo and most other manufacturers have not achieved this or the high 13.1 compression ratio which brings the efficiency. Performance from say 90 to 130 is quite acceptable I have always thought and around town on light throttle the engine is quite torquey for an atmo 4 pot. Road noise on very coarse road surfaces can be excessive but apparently newer upgrades are better in this regard. Much of this criticism is probably due to reviewers jumping on the Mazda bashing bandwagon I suspect as actual measurements are rarely provided. The fact that Mazda still essentially has this vehicle in production is a testament to the excellent design more than a decade ago. It still probably sets the standard in the class in what alas is a reducing sector due to the obsession with less efficient poorer handling so called SUVs. I am glad that I didn’t buy the diesel but few did I understand. Keep up the great work on the reviews, one of the few that have any real meaning these days!

    • @davidarter9670
      @davidarter9670 Місяць тому

      Can you permanently disable the engine on / off nuisance on this car?

    • @billwelsford7301
      @billwelsford7301 Місяць тому

      @@davidarter9670 Have read there’s a sensor on the bonnet latch but I haven’t tried. Just trained myself to automatically turn it off as part of the start sequence. Almost never forget. A rubbish system on any vehicle

  • @daneburton7953
    @daneburton7953 3 місяці тому +23

    Every Mazda reviewed by this channel has been overwhelmingly endorsed, they are such a great manufacturer for Australian conditions.

    • @spdaltid
      @spdaltid 3 місяці тому +4

      "Australian conditions". 🤠Unsurprisingly, they also work quite well in many other countries.

    • @club1fan552
      @club1fan552 2 місяці тому

      @@spdaltid Yes that's probably true, but who buys them elsewhere? In the U.S. Mazda is far less popular than in Oz and per capita, Mazda's seem to sell best in Australia than, well, anywhere.

    • @jasonwhiteley3612
      @jasonwhiteley3612 2 місяці тому

      Mazda have a good combination of smooth acceleration but still good fuel economy(fuel prices lower in the US may be the reason not as popular)while other cars better fuel economy tend to have higher maintenance & faster depreciation.

  • @Spazz5697
    @Spazz5697 3 місяці тому +2

    finally M6 review, been waiting for this for ages.
    Would love to see one of the GH.
    I own a Mazda 6 MY2010 GH 2.0 Petrol since early 2023 and it's been so great at such a good price.
    I Iike to have fun, having been a big fan of my 2zz Celica, and the handling is like....reaally really good on the Mazda 6.
    Even with 2.0 155hp it's no slouch. Reasonable torque and gets going decently, redlining effortlessly at just over 200k kms.
    Compression and emissions tests suggested engine is .... welp almost like new.
    Heaps of space also.. moved from one country to another like 2000 kms away and filled it up pretty good, as well as fitting a roofbox full of stuff and handled 2 trips really well.
    Just... amazing, underrated and the BOSE sound system is an absolute jewel and a surprise

  • @barriemoorcroft534
    @barriemoorcroft534 3 місяці тому +2

    I love the Mazda 6. I used to own an Alfa 156, bought cheap 7 year old 1.8 in red from a backyard dealer. Reliable for 5 years with only minor servicing until I sold it scrap here in Ireland. Best Car I ever had. I consider the Mazda 6 to be a spiritual successor, with same design language. Alfa described the 156 as looking like a cat about to leap and I see the same in the Mazda 6.
    Dealers here in Ireland wont stock the diesel version anymore, they ALL say theyre completely unreliable.

  • @apostoloskalamaris-tb6jz
    @apostoloskalamaris-tb6jz 3 місяці тому +2

    These are one of my favourite cars so happy to see your review! I own a 2010 sport luxury hatchback it’s great! So underrated and so good to drive!

  • @neosoviet502
    @neosoviet502 3 місяці тому +15

    The Mazda 6 is an awesome I agree. I also agree with ur verdict and the fact wagons should make a comeback 100%. I hope u can do a comparison with the Mazda 6 and it’s competitors like the Toyota Camry. Love ur content btw. ❤❤❤

  • @bartzed4305
    @bartzed4305 3 місяці тому

    this is quickly becoming my favourite automotive channel - you just gained a new subscriber !

  • @giotto4321
    @giotto4321 3 місяці тому +3

    I thought your review here was spot on. I had a 2012 diesel wagon a few years ago and was suckered into buying it by the looks and the drive, both of which I thought were great. Unfortunately in my 2 years of ownership, I had nothing but trouble with the DPF, it simply wouldn't regenerate on its own and had to be done 'manually' every few months. I'd also agree with the complaint about the i-stop function. At T-junctions I would quite often pull out of a side road only for the engine to cut out half way across, it was terrifying at times! The switch-off just seemed to happen way too late.
    It's a real shame these few major niggles weren't ironed out as apart from them, it's a great car. The load bay is very low in reality, so despite the 'numbers', getting bulky items in and out was trickier than I'd imagined it would be. I regularly had two e-MTBs in there and doing this now in my Passat wagon is much easier and cleaner. Even getting into the car as the driver, I'd hit my head on the frame on the odd occasion. Road noise and ride comfort were issues too, not helped by the 19" wheels and low profile tyres on my version. (I think it was the 'Touring Nav' model I had?) The engine had loads of torque however and when it was running well, was a real pleasure to do long journeys.
    It wasn't particularly economical though and whilst I didn't expect the usual, optimistic consumption figures to be achieved, it would struggle to get 45mpog on a long trip, with a light right foot.

  • @carlmoll3345
    @carlmoll3345 2 місяці тому +1

    Great Vid. I just bought a Corolla Hybrid wagon 2020 ex Japan . Awesome alternative and loving the savings on Fuel

  • @mjg88
    @mjg88 3 місяці тому +25

    Picked up my '24 Atenza wagon yesterday! The car is fantastic... interior has so many features and I fit three car seats in the back. The 2.5T has so much torque! It's a pleasure to drive.

    • @GT-pl1wx
      @GT-pl1wx 3 місяці тому +1

      ​​@danielpedersen2578 Driving mine since 2015. Now it has 110K miles. Needed a new turbo at 75K miles. Mazda paid the whole bill. It was 2 years after warranty. Almost no other appreciably issues. But one thing worries me: The exhaust gases that are being burnt again producing carbon black in different parts of the engine. But that's inevitable and due to the mad emission standards here in Germany. Still today there is no other car in the market I would choose over a 6. Drives like a BMW, has a high gas mileage, low maintenance costs, still looks fresh ...and can be used a as a mobile home! Yes, that's what we've done a lot of times!😊

    • @dtp777j3sus
      @dtp777j3sus 2 місяці тому +3

      Definitely is better looking than the camry and has the wagon option 😉 great choice !

  • @michaelinzitari
    @michaelinzitari 3 місяці тому +1

    Great REview! I have the 2016 GL 2.5 wagon and after being in the Facebook group for a while now I can confirm the diesel owners buy the diesel then join the group to complain.
    I don’t have any wiper issues.
    My air con is ice cold even though I know it’s leaking.
    I have the sport base model no Bose audio.
    Also SPORT has no cheap pleather which cracks and gets cold and gets hot.
    Avoid turbo because you want reliability and economy and cheap insurance.
    My Mazda had the ghost touch screen issue on the MZD connect so I made a UA-cam video how to resolve that (disconnect the touch screen and use the captains knob).
    My GL 2.5 petrol NA returns 5.75L/100 on highway and if I drive super carefully around town it can achieve amazing results. The turbo is not more economical. The diesels economy is false due to the engine and sensor and DPF drama which is never ending. Everyone now knows to avoid any Mazda diesel so thank you for that. All Mazda paint completely sucks except for the BLUES. This is the only colour you can fix stone chips yourself easily.
    Get your Mazda weighed at a weigh station! I got mine weighed and now save $160 a year on rego as my Mazda 6 weighed 1420kg not 1520kg

  • @paulmcgregor6411
    @paulmcgregor6411 3 місяці тому +17

    I owned until recently a MY11 GH 6 wagon diesel. Loved it to bits! Great fuel economy, fun to drive and mechanically bulletproof. Drove Sydney to Brisbane and back, fully loaded with kids and luggage and averaged 5L to 100km! Not bad for a 10 year old car! The mechanic loved it as it was easy to service, and was surprised that there were so few about. The diesel only came in a manual, which blunted the appeal.
    As for the diesel reliability, I never had an issue. I think three things in particular helped ,
    1. Service by the book, so 6 months or 10,000km (I know the later models have gone to 12 months). This prevents much of the oil issues that was mentioned. Check the oil regularly, both level and condition, as that is a good indicator.
    2. Diesel cars don’t like small stop start trips, you need to drive at least 20 minutes at 80kph to get the DPF to do a proper burn and regenerate. If you’re only doing short trips on a regular basis, stick to the petrol.
    3. I installed a ERG blanking plate which reduced the particulate matter recirculated into the engine, it kept the oil cleaner.
    I traded the 6 in for CX-8 as the kid needed more room and the car getting some electrical gremlins. Still miss the 6 as it was a great car, heck, my dad drove it and it brought back memories of his old 626 that he loved, so he went and bought the GJ Mazda 6 sedan a couple of years later! He still loves the car even now.

    • @daveowen378
      @daveowen378 3 місяці тому +2

      The diesel used in the GH was definitely more reliable than the GJ onwards diesel - they're just known to be shit.

    • @michaelinzitari
      @michaelinzitari 3 місяці тому +2

      I too am thinking of getting a CX8 in the 2.5 NA because I only do short trips. The CX8 is discontinued and the Mazda 6 is about to be discontinued it seems so Mazda can focus on their rear wheel drive platform.
      Which CX8 did you get and how are you finding it so far? The economy and practicality are just mind blowing!

    • @paulmcgregor6411
      @paulmcgregor6411 3 місяці тому +1

      @@michaelinzitari I got the Touring Active Diesel (Yes, I know what they said about the Diesel!) Love the car in general, though miss the 6 for its handling (not that the CX-8 isn’t good) and the 6 had more oddments storage up front as well as a cargo blind.
      The CX-8 is roomy, good tech and good economy for its size. I’m averaging around 7.5L per 100km, that’s a mix of around town and travel to work. Haven’t done any super long highway trips yet, but have got it below 6 and into the mid 5 when cruising along at 80 back and forth to work.
      The 2.5 atmos sounds like a good fit for you and there’s still stock of them available at dealers, check the dealer websites, as they list stock and driveway prices, useful info if they try and negotiate prices from RRP! Mine tried and I used that against them and got 6k off even before trading in my Mazda6!
      Which grade are you looking at?

    • @michaelinzitari
      @michaelinzitari 3 місяці тому +1

      @@paulmcgregor6411 I would get sport or Touring but second hand the touring is still more than $40k which is too much for a slow car

    • @peterhedger4396
      @peterhedger4396 3 місяці тому +1

      Diesels need long runs. All this trash about Mazda diesels has me wondering how the hell I managed 140,000kms trouble-free on my MY17 GL 2.2D wagon and it is still mint.

  • @jayflow1150
    @jayflow1150 3 місяці тому

    I had this, a VF commodore, a Subaru Levorg and a Skoda Octavia RS all on my shopping list as a practical family wagon. The head said Mazda 6 wagon - the test drive and then heart said Octavia RS (which I subsequently bought!). Thanks for covering this car.

  • @anthonyblack3579
    @anthonyblack3579 3 місяці тому

    After weeks of searching through thousands of uninspiring hatches, SUVs, 4x4s and soulless plastic crap, your video arrived a week after convincing myself a petrol 6 wagon actually looks pretty sleek. Thanks to you guy's help I'm grabbing one.
    Great video, mate. New sub here.

  • @mingming4004
    @mingming4004 2 місяці тому +3

    I genuinely thank you for mentioning the diesel issues - I've seen so many unsuspecting people buying the diesel model and then realised it's a endless money pit nightmare!

  • @mrgarrison3516
    @mrgarrison3516 3 місяці тому +8

    12:02 regarding air-conditioning performance with all vehicles, alot of people forget to turn their air-con control to 'recirculate' once the car has cooled a bit......and turn off your air-con button (but keep the fan running) a few minutes before you reach your destination to allow any moisture to disperse in the system and prolong the life of your condencer 🤔

    • @eponymous7910
      @eponymous7910 3 місяці тому +1

      Yep on a hot day get all the windows down, crank the ac, once it's cool windows up and set to recirculate (this is assuming you're entering a car that's been parked in the sun).
      And agree, turn off ac just before you reach your destination to rid the various hvac compartments of any condensation

  • @chrisvanegmond3157
    @chrisvanegmond3157 3 місяці тому +1

    Bought a 2018 Mazda 6 2.5P a couple years back and it is fantastic. Beautiful car, drives like a dream and the interior just feels like a luxury class vehicle.

  • @scott-wright
    @scott-wright 3 місяці тому +3

    I drive a 2006 WRX wagon, love it to bits. My 2 kids are getting bigger and it’s feeling smaller and rougher everyday and I’ve been considering one of these as a replacement for years. I haven’t had the heart to sell the rex yet.

  • @abcbcd1834
    @abcbcd1834 3 місяці тому +4

    Heavily considering this as my next car. Heard all sorts of bad things about the 2.2d, but there's not much information on them besides that online. As usual, ReDriven comes in clutch at the perfect time. Thanks for this video guys

    • @lesmotley6839
      @lesmotley6839 3 місяці тому +2

      All mazda 6 production is stopping after April this year. Women don't buy them and they were buying the cx5 Instead. If you get one go for the mazda 6 GT with standard leather burgundy red seats and 2.5 turbo and 19 inch wheels.

    • @GT-pl1wx
      @GT-pl1wx 3 місяці тому +1

      ​​@danielpedersen2578 Driving mine since 2015. Now it has 110K miles. Needed a new turbo at 75K miles. Mazda paid the whole bill. It was 2 years after warranty. Almost no other appreciably issues. But one thing worries me: The exhaust gases that are being burnt again producing carbon black in different parts of the engine. But that's inevitable and due to the mad emission standards here in Germany. Still today there is no other car in the market I would choose over a 6. Drives like a BMW, has a high gas mileage, low maintenance costs, still looks fresh ...and can be used a as a mobile home! Yes, that's what we've done a lot of times!😊Ü

  • @JTAN10ABLE
    @JTAN10ABLE 3 місяці тому

    Always like seeing what watch Adam wears on his wrist, nice CasiOak! Also another great video from you guys! Was considering a 6 Wagon as my next car.
    Are you guys gonna do a video on a Subaru Leveorg soon? These are getting popular

  • @davegoldspink5354
    @davegoldspink5354 3 місяці тому

    Excellent video thanks so much for sharing. Have always been a big fan of station wagons so I think it’s a shame we don’t see more of them as I’ve never thought much of SUVs or anything running a diesel these days. After watching your video on ZB Commodores which I absolutely liked I think I would go for a Mazda 6 wagon petrol. Think they’d be great for those long road trips which is what I’d mostly use it for.

  • @neilmarshment2910
    @neilmarshment2910 3 місяці тому +12

    I completely agree with Jim’s opinion on the diesel. Bought a CX5 diesel and it had more reliability and engine faults in the 2-months I owned it that all the other cars I have owned in over 40-years of car ownership. Avoid, avoid, avoid!

    • @torypryce
      @torypryce 3 місяці тому

      wow what year was this?

    • @MrBenHaynes
      @MrBenHaynes 3 місяці тому +5

      Avoid is not strong enough. Under NO circumstances should you buy a 2.2L Skyactiv diesel. Don't even accept one as a gift!

    • @neilmarshment2910
      @neilmarshment2910 2 місяці тому

      @@torypryce It was a 2016MY euro 6 - ULEZ compliant.

    • @neilmarshment2910
      @neilmarshment2910 2 місяці тому +1

      @@MrBenHaynes I regret buying it. I had read that they were not perfect but still bought it. Big error!

    • @neilmarshment2910
      @neilmarshment2910 Місяць тому

      @@torypryce 2015 model year

  • @alexmoroz3243
    @alexmoroz3243 3 місяці тому +3

    Loved the video! Wish we had the wagon variants of the 6 available in Canada, it would make the perfect replacement for my 05 Volvo v70 that's constantly finding creative ways to drain my wallet.
    Very likely that I end up with a sedan 6 as a result... It's a real shame it's not a wagon but at least still has the same great bones underneath!

  • @titleysimon12345
    @titleysimon12345 3 місяці тому +5

    Great review mate. I'm a Mazda Mechanic and work on these Mazda 6s each month. I love getting in one and your comment about feeling more expensive and well built than their price - so true.
    Drive-ability is amazing also.

    • @Spacemonkeymojo
      @Spacemonkeymojo Місяць тому

      If only they came in manual...

    • @Aragorn3407
      @Aragorn3407 24 дні тому +1

      ​@@Spacemonkeymojo They do actually! Can't say for other countries, but I drive a 15' with a 6 speed (and in the US, of all places). I belive it was discontinued in the 2018-2019 model year in a few markets but I'm unsure if its available in others.

    • @Spacemonkeymojo
      @Spacemonkeymojo 24 дні тому

      @@Aragorn3407 Oh nice! I actually did check on a website and I think there were manual versions but yeah, all the newer ones are auto only.

  • @TwistedDonners
    @TwistedDonners 3 місяці тому +10

    This is one car I'm seriously considering getting when I have to get a new car.
    The wagon is definitely an underrated car in terms of looks and its a big plus if it's got more boot space than a CX-5.
    Hullsy should say that he's not just qualified too service the Sky Active system but things like Flux Capacitors as well 😂
    Brilliant video guys and look forward to next week's videos as per usual plus keep up the good work 👍

    • @satya.anandakrishnan
      @satya.anandakrishnan 3 місяці тому +2

      I mean, even a box of mints has more boot space than a CX5. Compare the Mazda 6 Wagon to cars like the RAV4 and CR-V and it looks very deficient.

    • @GT-pl1wx
      @GT-pl1wx 3 місяці тому

      ​​@danielpedersen2578 Driving mine since 2015. Now it has 110K miles. Needed a new turbo at 75K miles. Mazda paid the whole bill. It was 2 years after warranty. Almost no other appreciably issues. But one thing worries me: The exhaust gases that are being burnt again producing carbon black in different parts of the engine. But that's inevitable and due to the mad emission standards here in Germany. Still today there is no other car in the market I would choose over a 6. Drives like a BMW, has a high gas mileage, low maintenance costs, still looks fresh ...and can be used a as a mobile home! Yes, that's what we've done a lot of times!😊

  • @timber8645
    @timber8645 3 місяці тому +1

    I’ve got a GL Mazda 6 wagon, had it for 7 years and put 200,000kms on them and I still love it. The only thing that has gone wrong is had to replace one engine mount and that’s it!! It’s been so reliable and still drives so smoothly. I drive it regionally very often and never had a drama. And Mazda retrofitted Apple CarPlay and works a dream. But that’s not all it’s the best family car I can throw the kids bikes in the back easily. My partner has a new Mazda cx9 and we always take my car on holidays as has so much extra room. This is my third 6 I’ve owned and looking at buying the turbo 2.5L wagon for my next car.
    Ps I love your channel guys I am obsessed I swear I’ve watched them all. Keep it up

    • @Wolfgang-Schnaufer
      @Wolfgang-Schnaufer 3 місяці тому

      Your partner? Cops get all the good cars...

    • @WorksOnMyComputer
      @WorksOnMyComputer 3 місяці тому +1

      The current Mazda 6 wagon has just gone out of production in Japan, so if you were thinking of buying new, you had better get one quick.

  • @Retread268
    @Retread268 3 місяці тому

    Love your content, love the Jim the Mech, completes the story. On the Skyactive, it drove me crazy originally trying to get clarity on what it was all about. Like u said Marketing. Wish we had wagons, shooting brakes in the USA, but SUVs rule the roadways.

  • @gdawwg1125
    @gdawwg1125 3 місяці тому +1

    i have the origional manual GG sedan. i love it , really sporty and fun to drive and goes very well

  • @RichieRouge206
    @RichieRouge206 3 місяці тому +1

    I had a 2004 Mazda6 and it was brilliant. But rust gets them badly especially here in the UK. My family have always had Mazdas and Volvos over the years. Mazdas are great cars and always been a bit of an alternative choice. And I will always drive a wagon - had quite a few Volvos since. Great review.

  • @georgepappas4628
    @georgepappas4628 3 місяці тому

    I have a 2019 Mazda 6 Touring update wagon, and it's an excellent car. The soft paint is an issue as it does mark very easily, and the screen does go blank occasionally, but turning the car off and on fixes it. Apart from that it's very reliable and fun to drive.

  • @redfalcon4469
    @redfalcon4469 3 місяці тому +1

    I had mazda 6 2017 with 310000 km, I had the BCM fail and HPFP fail.
    Replace belts, water pump ( was leaking), spark plug and front shock.
    Sold it in 2022.
    It was a fairly good reliable car!!!

  • @wesleyrichards8027
    @wesleyrichards8027 3 місяці тому +1

    Love the Mazda 6 in terms of design. Especially the wagon. Would be on the top of my list when buying my next car.

  • @Thatguy-cb4qs
    @Thatguy-cb4qs 3 місяці тому +1

    One of my favourite cars was an old ‘92 626 estate. Great car and bullet proof for the time I had it, 121 bubble car was fun but falling apart. 2013 3 was amazing. I now have a ‘14 cx9. It drinks that’s true but Mazda make some cars for sure.

  • @jeffkeith637
    @jeffkeith637 3 місяці тому

    Test drove an update Atenza wagon just last week. 2.5 petrol. Stunning. I would have been tempted if I was buying for myself. Went well, stopped well, steered and pointed well, it was a great drive. Only downside it was a seriously hot day - the dark blue paint (gorgeous) and black (shoot me now) leather interior made the aircon look very insipid indeed. After years of upright 4WDs it also felt like I was sitting in a hole. Sadly it didn't fulfil some of the requirements of my client.

  • @melbournelovesdebar1232
    @melbournelovesdebar1232 3 місяці тому +5

    I work at Mazda
    We just got a Mazda 6 wagon 2023 that came in as a demo
    And it drives so good handles so well

    • @janvranjes4554
      @janvranjes4554 2 місяці тому

      Would you say 2.2 diesels are bad engines im thinking about getting mazda 3 2015-2016 and my dad is now thinking abt 2014 mazda 6 with the same engine I guess

  • @nyzz1351
    @nyzz1351 3 місяці тому +2

    One of my friend got 380,000km on his 2013 Mazda 6 and other almost 280,000km, both 2.5L petrols and seeing them, I also got one recently, a 2015 model, and it's awesome in terms of handling, fuel economy and reliability, much better than my 2010 Camry SE trim.

  • @ubernoob103
    @ubernoob103 3 місяці тому +4

    A further note about the diesels. If I’m not mistaken, Mazda entered 3 skyactiv-d powered 6’s in the 2013 24hrs of daytona. All 3 entries retired due to engine failure. I have no idea why mazda bothered.

  • @rosati2497
    @rosati2497 3 місяці тому

    Love the watch!

  • @swalox9112
    @swalox9112 2 місяці тому +2

    The diesel engines got reworked with better materials and such after 2015. With regular service and proper driving they should last quite some time!

  • @a_void
    @a_void 3 місяці тому +3

    Looking to upgrade my 2010 Honda Accord Tourer. This seems like the best candidate since I appreciate Japanese reliability and there are no newer Honda wagons

  • @zaccy12341
    @zaccy12341 3 місяці тому

    My dads got a 2012 2.5 sport sedan, 205k faultless, long term fuel economy 7.1 litres per 100, great car

  • @matth9700
    @matth9700 3 місяці тому

    Hey Adam and Jim,
    Thanks for the review gents!
    Are you guys able to review the VW Passat (B8)??
    Cheers,
    Matt.

  • @kallamcollins8856
    @kallamcollins8856 22 дні тому +1

    This review was the last piece of the puzzle for me to pull the trigger on buying one of these 👌

  • @dtp777j3sus
    @dtp777j3sus 2 місяці тому

    We have a 2019 sedan mazda 6 Gt, it has been amazing for our family , No issues so far . Feels super luxury to drive and ive had a few german luxury cars, definitely on par ! So sad they have discontinued the mazda 6 😢 they probably missed out on a few face lifts to compete with the hyundai's etc.

  • @SIGMA_CENTRAL_IKON
    @SIGMA_CENTRAL_IKON 2 місяці тому +1

    This is a wonderful channel about cars in Australia. I need this channels expert advise on how buy a car as I am looking to buy a used SUV in the near future. You have just won yourself a new subscriber. 😂

  • @Low760
    @Low760 3 місяці тому +1

    Mazda i stop is easy to not have to use. Don't jam the brake on when at the lights, light pedal keeps it off. Same as turning the steering wheel turns it off.
    Skyactive g is pretty cool, it's 13:1 compression. Not just bullshit.
    Shorter service intervals on the diesel sounds like the solution for them.
    Would love the later one with the turbo petrol.

  • @bobbell6720
    @bobbell6720 3 місяці тому

    I have a 2012 petrol version and I enjoy it.
    It does have some road noise obviously but still pretty good to drive. It's a bit worse since someone threw out the boot cover...
    The thing that annoys me if anything, is the interior plastic panel between the seats and the door attracts big scratches when I'm lugging guitar gear around and need to use the back seat as well.
    Otherwise it's a yes from me

  • @lukeshannonify
    @lukeshannonify 3 місяці тому +1

    You guys are lifesavers 😅
    I land in Australia in an hours time and was going tomorrow to pick up a diesel 6 wagon!
    Losing the deposit or getting the Camry that the dealer has seems like a better option.

    • @MrBenHaynes
      @MrBenHaynes 3 місяці тому

      You've just dodged a bullet. Go and buy yourself a lottery ticket.

  • @Ehetyz
    @Ehetyz 3 місяці тому

    Current Mazda 6 owner, 2014 here. Can confirm the i-stop issue, especially in Finland when it gets to -20 celsius in the winter it's mostly nothing but an annoyance and leads to the battery management system throwing a fault code every now and then due to the battery charge getting low. Also the aircon, it seems like at least on my car it's calibrated to be too polite when left on auto and almost never uses full power unless you force it to. So in hot weather it's best to just set it to 15 celsius and let it cool down the car instead of using auto. Other than the battery codes and the overzealous tire pressure sensors, I like the car, though.

  • @kaloyankostov9834
    @kaloyankostov9834 2 місяці тому

    i had a relative of mine get a mazda 6 2nd gen (sedan, mid-spec, petrol) as a work car. for him coming from a 2014 škoda - reliable, newer, but characterless and rather dull, slower car, this felt like such a fresh breath of air. not only is the mazda relatively zippy and fun, but its also comfortable, sound system is high quality, interior holds up like a champ, exterior looks elegant, etc., etc.

  • @waterbourne9282
    @waterbourne9282 3 місяці тому

    GF had an '08 Golf Variant 2.0 TSI which was a riot to drive with torque like a 265 but imo a ticking time bomb so eventually she decided to replace it. Criteria pointed to the Mazda6 shown here as the only real reliable choice and she ended up with a '14 Touring. What a beautiful car with lots of fruit, and particularly the 19" wheels (although limited tyre choice with these). My only criticism would be the seat base can get a bit hard on a long trip, and the farty exhaust. Otherwise agree with the review, drives like something three times the price without the reliability worries. Maintenance schedule is minimal, it has a proper Aisin designed auto (Mazda produced under license), adequate power with the 2.5 (the turbo would be the one), and beautiful, just beautiful. Mazda will be at the top of my shopping list when I am due for a change from my current Toyota now that they are all CVT and hybrid mad.

  • @torypryce
    @torypryce 3 місяці тому

    Hey thanks for the review, where did you get the cargo liner for the wagon trunk ?

  • @steveone9375
    @steveone9375 3 місяці тому +2

    a lot of the problems with the cx5 diesel up to 2016 is poor servicing if you have one change the oil every 5 to 6000 miles and make sure you use c3 oil ,the mark 2 version is a lot better but still you must change the oil and take it for a 30 min run once a every two weeks on the motorway and keep the engine around 2000rpm this helps the DPF regen ,, did i mention change the oil ,,

  • @ml4018
    @ml4018 3 місяці тому

    Just picked up my new 20th Anniversary sedan in Rhodium White two weeks ago. Well not quite new, a June 2023 build, but for the price of $56K driveaway in NSW try and find an equivalent Euro that will match it for under $90K.
    Whilst it now has only 500km on the clock I'm not going to push the turbo too hard yet until I break it in some then we'll see how 173kW and 420Nm go through the front wheels. On the weekend with a short open road drive was sitting around 7ltrs per 100k's which is fair as I expect it to improve a little as it loosens up.
    This is my second 6 and if the first one is anything to go by then this should be a fun 'family' car that looks like grandpa would drive but is a bit of a sleeper. A free flow exhaust and slight tune could give it a little lift....

  • @club1fan552
    @club1fan552 2 місяці тому

    Your no nonsense delivery is great and your mechanics tips always worthwhile, especially when he lists heaps of problems (other reviews) which is hilarious. Love Mazdas but the 6's issue for me is its length; bloody long car.

  • @blairyc
    @blairyc 3 місяці тому

    Damn it man! In the last few months you’ve reviewed all the cars I was considering after my 2015 Octavia RS crapped itself. In the end I opted for a washing machine (Kia Cerato “Sport” with a long warranty)! Really wanted the Mazda 6 Wagon turbo, but ended up playing it safe! 😢

  • @andrewd7586
    @andrewd7586 3 місяці тому

    I drive a 2017 Skoda Superb 206kw 4WD wagon & so far I’ve not had an issue.🙄🙏🏻 I absolutely love the wagon format! Prior to this car I had a Mercedes GLC250 SUV. Honestly after less than 2 years of ownership I got rid of it for the Skoda. No regrets. Wagons are so underrated!👍🏼😎

  • @magicalwishlist6616
    @magicalwishlist6616 26 днів тому

    I have a GL wagon and its fantastic it's a 2.2 Turbo diesel. 1000ks per tank to Brisbane and very reliable. Cheap services compared to expensive European.

  • @hakimimohdzain1287
    @hakimimohdzain1287 2 місяці тому

    Just booked a 2014 Tourer yesterday. Hopefully will be getting it next week. Traded in my Ranger Wildtrak for it..

  • @vichetkim5533
    @vichetkim5533 3 місяці тому

    The problem with low to the ground wagons as oppose to high up SUVs is that with the deteriorating conditions of country roads and the fact that some are too narrow to share with incoming trucks, you have to go partly off road which can run the high risk of scrapping the undercarriage of the low to the ground vehicle.

  • @richlawrence4160
    @richlawrence4160 3 місяці тому

    Brilliant car! I had a 2009 Classic Red hatch. Perfect in every way, except the trip computer was a bit clunky to operate, real old school. The heating/air cond was the best, set the temp on auto and never touched it. (My current Toyota and Mits have to keep adjusting as it gets too cold blast then too hot). The only reason I changed it is that it was too low to get into and out of with crook back and knees, so I bought a Mitz Outlander SUV which is the perfect hight, but much poorer quality and much smaller boot space. The Mazda 6 hatch would carry several of those 180cm (6 foot) fold up tables flat in the back and I could get 2 full size bicycles in the back easily, sot so the SUV. Regret the sale, want another as soon as I get knee replacement.

  • @lukasraus3391
    @lukasraus3391 3 місяці тому +1

    i just bought brand new Mazda 6 with 2.5 petrol in takumi spec with sport trim - honestly for this price point there is nothing better on the market right now (trust me) and the driving experience is just awesome (for wagon) also mazda include 6 years warranty or 150 000 Km so yup go for it

  • @bradleybyrnes9907
    @bradleybyrnes9907 23 дні тому +1

    Jusy picked up a 2013 Mazda 6 GT wagon with 74,000 kilometres. Beautiful car to drive. It has decent paint protection which I highly recommend as the paint seems a bit on the thin side to me. Mine has not a single stone chip which i'm guessing the paint protection helps with that.

  • @nk53nxg
    @nk53nxg 3 місяці тому +9

    I leased one of these a few years ago. It was the 2014 2.2 skyactive diesel manual sport wagon nav in dark matallic red with black leather sport seats with red piping, also had the larger 19" graphite coloured wheels. I absolutely loved everything about this car, its looks, price, interior, handling, comfort and the wagon boot space was excellent. Here in the UK they are popular but not extremely common. Unfortunately the turbo failed, I had this car second hand and thought the previous owner was a thrasher abuser, but it turns out this turbo issue was common on Skyactive diesels. Mazda were awesome and changed out the turbo out of warranty for free, parts and labour. This proves that Mazda care about retaining customers and admit that there is a problem with these, VW, Reault or Peugeot would likely say tough titty, out of warranty so take a hike. We have something called an MOT over here in the UK which is an annual condition check, my 6 got an advisory about corrosion around the rear sub frame (common issue in our climate) so I traded it in for a different petrol car. I was not doing high milage before so could not justify owning a diesel, which can contribute to carbon build up in turbos and EGR. I would consider a petrol 6 wagon, the wagon is one of the best looking estate cars for the money.

    • @GT-pl1wx
      @GT-pl1wx 3 місяці тому +2

      ​​@danielpedersen2578 Driving mine since 2015. Now it has 110K miles. Needed a new turbo at 75K miles. Mazda paid the whole bill. It was 2 years after warranty. Almost no other appreciably issues. But one thing worries me: The exhaust gases that are being burnt again producing carbon black in different parts of the engine. But that's inevitable and due to the mad emission standards here in Germany. Still today there is no other car in the market I would choose over a 6. Drives like a BMW, has a high gas mileage, low maintenance costs, still looks fresh ...and can be used a as a mobile home! Yes, that's what we've done a lot of times!😊

  • @Mathei91
    @Mathei91 3 місяці тому

    I'm currently looking for a car and the Mazda 6 caught my eye. Seems like the best compromise between costs, enough space for my dog and styling. I test drove one of the newer models yesterday and have to make a decision in the next two days. Perfect timing for this video. It's a siiiign 😂

    • @bartandaelus359
      @bartandaelus359 3 місяці тому +1

      Who told you that you need to make a decision in the next 2 days? Because if it's the dealer, it's bullshit. Take as long as you like.

  • @user-cq4wr7gd5e
    @user-cq4wr7gd5e 3 місяці тому

    Hi guys, been folowing you for a while and i rly enjoy your reviews. I am looking at this exact car to buy but i couldn't get my hands around to actually drive one. Do you think a 2m person can fit comfortably in front seats?

  • @user-fq5yv6kd9s
    @user-fq5yv6kd9s 3 місяці тому +1

    I have two Sky Active Diesels 2013 one wagon and one sedan and have had zero issues up to 140k. 6.6l/100 on both massive torque the best car I've ever owned :)

  • @noguiboy123
    @noguiboy123 3 місяці тому

    I love mine. Its been perfect!

  • @wimcalleeuw8098
    @wimcalleeuw8098 2 місяці тому

    I have a Mazda 6 from 2014, 2.2 diesel version. After I bought the car (208tkm driven) almost immediately l have an oil pressure problem. Luckily I took an extra warranty with the car sale so i didn't have to pay for the new oil pump and oil pressure sensor 😅 and since then it has been smooth sailing. It's a nice car to drive l think, with good handling. As mentioned in the video...

  • @josephpereira1390
    @josephpereira1390 Місяць тому +1

    If you can swing it, i would recommend the GL series with a turbo. I bought a 2018 mazda 6 wagon GT for 27k and its such a bargain for the amount of car you get.. The acceleration is great and it looks epic.. Love it!

  • @untitleditem2334
    @untitleditem2334 3 місяці тому

    it owuld be a good indication of how the current model would age, EXCEPT for the part where up until 2017 none of the body panels were sub par in terms of anti-rust treatment. partial zinc coating vs full body electroplating post 2017.
    All according to galvanicar. Since I always appreciate your content, and tend to get even more anal than you do into what can go wrong with a car post-purchase, I think this is super relevant info.

  • @nowukkas2472
    @nowukkas2472 3 місяці тому

    I have a GG manual luxury sports hatch. I purchased it in 2009 with 53,000ks on it. It now has 417,000km, all country ks. Still a great car to drive if a bit noisy on the highway! I’ve replaced a clutch, a/c compressor, driveshaft, fuel pump, and cv joints in 360,000km. I’m trying for 500,000ks!

  • @jacobmachingavuta5022
    @jacobmachingavuta5022 3 місяці тому +3

    I don't know why you aren't on 1 mil subscribers

  • @yovanilla
    @yovanilla Місяць тому

    There has been a Mazda in my garage every day since December 2003. 3 cars, a 2003 6, 2013 CX5, and 2016 CX9. ~250K miles driven total, granted all purchased new so we owned them in the early stages of their life, but all three gave us next to no trouble. The worst to happen was a broken engine mount on the 6 at about 60K miles.

  • @TonyBensonToday
    @TonyBensonToday 3 місяці тому +1

    I own a wagon in soul red. Ours is a goody, my major critism is the poor rear visibility. Looking in the rear view mirror is like looking through a mailbox slit. The reverse camera is a webcam from 2008. But hey, it's not an SUV so we love it, cx5, cx7, eat my rubber, burn my dust.

  • @user-gr1oj8md6r
    @user-gr1oj8md6r 3 місяці тому

    I'm half-dreaming/half-intending to add 2nd metal to the garage, and my short list is: Sonata N-Line; 6 Atenza; ES250 F. Quality is proportional to price, but I suspect actual driving pleasure might be the opposite. None are manuals, all are FWD, and none have full-size spares (showing my age) :-(, but I refuse to own a SUV. I had 2 MX-6s until the last one got turned into paper clips by a tradie running a red light, so I'm more than comfortable with Mazda's quality. They're all comfortable - the Lexus is a lounge room on wheels - and all have solid tech. Not sure about DI on the Hyundai's SmartStream after the Theta debacle. I guess I'll just keep dithering.

  • @bnguyen4419
    @bnguyen4419 3 місяці тому +2

    Ive got a 2018 mazda 6 diesel (last of the updated diesel enignes) before they were discontinued in 2019. It has 130, 000km on it now. Engine has had no issues in that time. I wonder if the issues were in the earlier models only.

  • @rwd323
    @rwd323 3 місяці тому

    My wife has a 2019 non turbo wagon, they have some issues with the torque converter which leads to transmission fluid contamination. Hers is about to have the trans replaced under warranty. It also has cylinder deactivation which doesn’t excite me but unsure on long term reliability. Still a very nice car, especially the updated interior

    • @mrgarrison3516
      @mrgarrison3516 3 місяці тому

      It's funny u mention the (normal) auto transmission needing replacement.
      When I bought my Subaru with CVT 6.5 yrs ago reviews everywhere were bagging cvts for reliability & saying buy a Mazda because it's a normal auto....but my CVT has been fine 🤷

  • @BarakDekel
    @BarakDekel 3 місяці тому

    Im happy with the 2011 diesel wagon, non of the issues of the newer models

  • @Al-ok1lj
    @Al-ok1lj Місяць тому +1

    I wish the US still sold the 6. Wth Mazda! Bring it back!

  • @anakinskywalker4113
    @anakinskywalker4113 3 місяці тому +6

    Most definitely YES you should buy one of these. They are absolutely fantastic.

  • @S-Ltd1000
    @S-Ltd1000 3 місяці тому

    I'll probably go for a 6 for my next car. Currently drive a 3 sportnav 2.0l petrol and it's been bulletproof over 3 years. The only issues I've had is with the soul red paint.☹️

  • @cpme1711
    @cpme1711 3 місяці тому

    Great review! I had a 2015 mazda 6 similar to this but a sedan. I had no issues whatsoever with this car except for the batteries, they just get drained so fast because of its istop function which i hated. Bluetooth would take a while to pair with your phone about 45 seconds, same as when you get a subaru of that year. I also had the bose speakers which sounded average and bass popped but was my fault because i put the bass settings to maximum lol.

    • @muzungu9625
      @muzungu9625 3 місяці тому

      Can you disable stop start function?

  • @stephaniebourke1634
    @stephaniebourke1634 3 місяці тому +1

    We bought this car (updated interior) literally yesterday lol!

  • @Engineersoldinterstingstuff
    @Engineersoldinterstingstuff 5 днів тому

    The injector washers needs to uppdated. If they leak they will cause clogging of the pickup. Happened to me - the car displayed low oil pressure. At the workshop they sad that usually this causes no problem, the engine measures the preassure at low and high revs if below a certain value the car will go into limp mode.
    3 years ago now and still running strong.

  • @brettram8099
    @brettram8099 3 місяці тому

    Great video guys….Jim is bloody great!

  • @DavL40
    @DavL40 3 місяці тому

    Loved my GJ Mazda6 wagon. I would have liked a smidge more power, the newer turbo models I reckon would be close to perfect for that.
    Sold it after about 6 years ownership, mainly because it was at that point in its age and kms that it could fetch a decent price 2nd hand and I wanted to buy an EV (got a Tesla Model 3) to reduce my fuel costs (it has).
    For a nearly 10 year old car, the wagon is still one of the best looking cars out there.

  • @murrieteacher
    @murrieteacher 3 місяці тому

    good looking car. The next model is the better one and has more fruit on it too. They really do drive nice. But I have one of the other ones you pointed to. When the Skoda goes it goes well, shorten the service.

  • @cleanwhite6527
    @cleanwhite6527 18 днів тому

    178k miles on mine and still going! Do your maintenance and you’ll be fine!

  • @csjrogerson2377
    @csjrogerson2377 3 місяці тому

    Have been in Thailand for 8 years and the only bad things I have heard about their diesels is the 2.2D having head-gasket issues which Mazda fix outside of warranty as long as servicing has been done iaw the schedule. I have a Mazda 2D and it runs like a dream. Only thing ever done (apart from servicing) was to replace an O2 sensor free outside of warranty and replace the rear shock end stops.

  • @williamstewart3469
    @williamstewart3469 3 місяці тому +1

    LOL, liked the wiper segway.

  • @eidrag
    @eidrag 2 місяці тому

    already have cx5, looking at another mazda to replace small daihatsu car in city, was thinking either mazda 6 wagon or mazda 3 hatchback, any pros/cons if you had them both?

  • @dostayer3369
    @dostayer3369 3 місяці тому

    One very big downside for it were I live: it's (and its little sister, the Mazda 3, which suffers from this the most) the number 1 car in the auto theives target list, so there's not an insignificant chance of them disappearing from their parking during the night... or in broad daylight... thus leading to extortionate insurance prices (2K$ usd per year, can reach over 3k).
    Although I have to say that thieving has significantly reduced over the last 4 months...