Native American Perspective on First Contact with Europeans // As related to Jon Heckewelder (1770s)
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Taken from 'History, manners, and customs of the Indian nations who once inhabited Pennsylvania and the neighboring states' by Heckewelder, John Gottlieb Ernestus, 1743-1823
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Hello all! Hope you are enjoying the video. One correction - John was a member of the Moravian church, not Monrovian church. Monrovia is a city in Liberia, so it would have been an amazing story, but no.
Hey, great video! Perhaps the next video can focus on Joseph Brant of the Iroquois Confederacy! His story is a great one, and his documented words in his death bed unforgettable! Just a suggestion!
Monrovia is named after US president Monroe who setup Liberia as a country for freed U.S. slaves. Flag of Liberia : 🇱🇷
Hmm, but most who came there, came from the southern part of the land back than, naming their settlements after home cities, such as Antwerp and Hoboken. Back than it wasn't the Netherlands, but Leo Belgicus.
Monrovia is also a city in California.
Morava/Moravia is a historical land, now part of the Czech republic. The adjective "Moravian" is somewhat inaccurate in this case, because the church did not originate in Morava. It did have a significant presence there. Moravian church has its roots in prelutheran protestant movement in Bohemia founded by Petr Chelčický known as Unity of brethern. Morava was a land of the Bohemian Crown.
The church members had to escape religious persecution and that's how this church started its mission outside the country of its origin. First they settled in Saxony and most of these refugees came from Morava - hence the name.
First UFO sighting in America.
Unidentified Floating Object
I guess you can say the first aliens in America as well.
@@BUMWRECK3R Just as the Aztec mistook the Spanish for Quetzalcoatl, so do we misinterpret aliens as the deities of our ancestors. The gods were aliens all along!
@@BUMWRECK3R and ilegal ones at that...
How do you think the natives got here? They came from Israel by ship! So they knew what a dam ship was this docu is bull
@@wildhogs1ful WHAT! You do know that before the sea level was as high as it is today, that there was connections between alaska and the russian mainland, which is how we now now that there was a long immigration path travelling all throughout the region before it was cut off after the last ice age or so, So i don't really know what you're talking about.
the absolute legend who decided to finish off the bottle without the other chiefs' help
Fine. I’ll do it myself!
That chief was the G.O.A.T
Imagine the red coat guy's face when the chief started chugging.
Or that chief going drunk talking to people before passing out.
Alcohol was their kryptonite
@@jgvtc559 I wonder if they tried white women first.
calling a ship of that size a "floating house" is fairly accurate
But they were only judging the appearance tho, not the function
@@justinnamuco9096 the function being pillage and plunder
@@justinnamuco9096 But it did function as a house? They didn’t live somewhere else while they sailed it there.
@@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 No, colonizers were not nice. They had a very clear set of objectives: making money. That's just how things were at the time.
As for the galleons? They were cargo ships. The bigger commerce ships of the merchant fleets of Europe could compete in armament with warships. Very versatile boats.
How about a floating mountain?
Reminds me of giving a laptop to my elderly dad. He's very wise but, after a year I visited him for a bit and asked him about the laptop, he said he couldn't turn the dammed thing on and we laughed.
'Couldnt turn the damned thing on'. Right. Safe to say your old man had riddled that laptop with the vilest porn imaginable.
I thought, that you were going to say, that he'd mistook the laptop to be a cutting board or something completely unrelated to it's intended use!
@@wildzwaan Unwillingly one would hope, even in fantasy.
wildzwaan do you have a link to those files? For educational purposes.
@@wildzwaan bahahahahha!
It's funny how everyone falls for the old cut up hide trick. Even the English fell for it with the vikings at York.
Its in at least two other videos I've made. Textbook
@@VoicesofthePast it's probably the most intelligent way to do a land grab in history. It may not produce much land but it's enough for a small city of the era, enough to gain a foothold and then start doing goon shit with the boys.
How much land can it surround? Does anyone have an estimate?
What’s that trick?
@@chrisbirch6513 Not a mathematician, but I'm thinking if you had a fairly large hide of say 2m by 2m, then you could cut into half-centimeter strips to get about 800m worth of strips, which in a perfect circle would give you 12 acres of land. Of course it would take a long time to do, and you'd probably lose some length from tying it together, but still quite a bit, about 10 football fields worth.
After hearing how both were friendly with each other at first and laughed together despite language barrier, it makes me even more sad that Things went south for the Natives. Greed always ruins everything
The Dutch seem to have had better skills in diplomacy in these types of encounters each time I read out something like this.
and nothing has changed we still go to war for money/oil
@@angelot1549 resources will always be at the forefront of any war. Resources being people, food, energy, water, and weapons just to name a few things.
It was also bad for the Europeans stop portraying everything as one sided
@@skeletorlikespotatoes7846 How tf is this portrayed as one sided? Literally said it was great to see them be friendly. Learn to read snowflake
It's really important to note that of all the North American native cultures, those near the Hudson were probably best equipped to understand what was happening. The Iroquois Confederacy was a very advanced civilization with settlements and farming. They weren't the stereotype of Native Americans most people think of, and they would have understood that the strange men were just members of another nation-state.
@Tina Draper that was more the tribes west of the Mississippi, the Iroquois had settlements with longhouses made of timber. Picture Vikings with stone tools.
@Dan Ryan That isn't true at all. Many tribes were nomadic and followed migrating game, gathering fruits and vegetables along the way as they found them. Some lived along the coast and large rivers, changing location depending on the season. Even the tribes that had permanent or semi permanent settlements didn't have very large ones.
Except the Iroquois, who had settlements of hundreds of individuals. The name literally means "People of the Longhouse"
@Dan Ryan Most of the examples given were cultures that existed before European contact, which is fairly irrelevant to the topic at hand.
@Braulio N'dre bla bla, "white man bad" bla bla. Were you there when they first met? Did they keep records of what transpired? The way you are taught that the natives were these naive babies which lived happily in total bliss is such bullshit. For one, why do you give them this aura of naivity? Are you a bit racist? Do you nkow what "meat sacrifices" even means, let me spell it for you, it means human sacrifices, that's how advanced they were. Imagine being that guy picked to be sacrificed on the whims of some tribal chief
@ThirdEyeOpen Shinhan say please
The Native Americans had a very interesting way of looking at the Europeans.
Had this gesture been reciprocated in true sense, the story would have been different I guess
@@lalitabhandari3973---Maybe.
It literally for them was like viewing aliens
@@lalitabhandari3973 we are lucky it wasn't. or we wouldn't be as great and strong as we are today
@Nigg** is to blacks as Racist is to whites grew up on a reservation, council members and chairpersons are just memes in a lot of Indian country for the wrong reasons
This is the most epic recounting of chugging liquor I've ever heard.
He was scared shitless of offending the redcoat.
@Rowan Melton you gotta understand that native americans didnt have alcohol tolerance due to it not being part of their diet
@Rowan Melton and for anyone confused, squash means flavored-juice-concentrate / sherbet, not a mashed-vegetable.
@@quadeevans6484 There were peoples all through the America’ who produced alcoholic beverages. Granted most were not as powerful usually as what the Euros were packing. Ouzo probably would have been fatal on the spot. Haha.
@@quadeevans6484 actually a physiological issue. They cant process the sugars. Same with many asian cultures
I think that the letter of Pero Vaz de Caminha, actually written upon first contact between brazilian natives and the portuguese, might be interesting for the channel.
Yes! Please make it happen!
web.archive.org/web/20160418042209/blogs.uoregon.edu/summerinstitute2013/files/2013/05/The-Letter-of-Pero-Vaz-de-Caminha-21jx6cx.pdf
In English
Excelent idea!
Yes, it's amazing. I love the part about the "vergonhas" that no one thought of hiding.
@PavlovsBitch what? Did you use crack?
My country has a really cool name for white people. We call white people sky breakers (palagi) Cause my ancestors thought the sky was torn apart when they saw the sail of European ships. While we just call black people black (uli) and we call all Asians China (Saina) (except for Indian we call them Indians).
That's awesome, it would make a cool name for a space craft, I hope spaceX or nasa pick up on that.
What country is it.
@@belstar1128 Samoa. It's in the Pacific
Indians call White people Firangi because they went all over the world.
Edit: Apparently I was wrong. Firangi is based on the corruption of the words for Franks. My hindi teacher misled me
In west africa they call “ white “ people : “tubab” a kind of africanising of : two bucks .( coins)
I was taught at university that some cultures saw waterways or oceans as a road, some cultures saw it as a barrier.
And some people drink it. My tribe drinks it. Makes for nice survival juice.
@@mooilife2497 haha. I meant to say waterway or ocean
@Benghali In Platforms they didn't. Just saying what a doctor of history said.
The smarter cultures saw waterways and oceans as a road.
Don't believe everything what they teach you at university!
Interesting how the Dutch copied Dido’s trick from the founding of Carthage with the whole cutting up the bull skin hide to mark land. Good grifts last forever!
Even Ivar the Boneless used the same trick with King Aelle in the Saga of Ragnar Lothbrok. :D
I love that the reaction was just 'well played'.
I don't get it
@@nathanlevesque7812 read a book and get a job
@@nopespray3724 oh look, an idiot who thinks his words mean something me
*Brave warrior takes the first glass of wine, bids his people farewell, drinks it, staggers, falls asleep and then jumps up saying that it's the best thing he's ever had and asks for more*
Hilarious and pretty adorable
They knew exactly what they were doing giving them fire water. Look at what the British did when the wanted to get their hands on Hong Kong. Got an entire country hooked on opium from they colonies in India
@@S1lverspike I'm British and today is my birthday, no joke.
No regrets for the work of my ancestors it's the greatest string of practical jokes and banter the world has ever seen.
@@S1lverspike Idk man, the whole navy of europe was addicted to rum, literally couldn't function without some form of alcohol. I doubt that was a 4d chest play on their part and more of a courtious thing.
@@S1lverspike You’re confusing 2 very different periods of history. In the late 1500’s, the British Empire was not yet a superpower (that wouldn’t occur until the end of the 7 Years War). In the late 1500’s, Capt. Hudson and his crew were primarily looking for a Northwest passage to help the British reach India. North America was not yet considered a prize by the British crown.
@@S1lverspike Yeah, they knew they were toasting their first contact. Why would the Europeans expect some alcohol to affect Americans any differently than it affected Europeans?
I remember visiting a museum in virginia, maybe DC, while I was on a history trip in high school. (I'm from Utah) I read an account of a native that described his first impression of a European ship as "a large canoe with white wings"
The Utah tribe is also fascinating. They talk about golden plates, dress weird (sorry no offense), some live in strange groups with one male chief at the head and only female servants at his side and lots of children. I read that their great leader was from the star Kolob far away. You must be familiar with that tribe, I read they are pretty big in Utah. You consider them dangerous? Greets from Netherlands. :-)
I’m guessing you were at the National Museum of the American Indian in DC ?
@@FunFilmFare That sounds right, been 3 years plus bad memory. Great experience! I'm sad I don't recall more... Given the opportunity I'd love to go again.
@@ezandman6804 Lol, idk if you're serious about them being a native tribe? Since your from overseas I'll give you the benefit of the doubt 😂 What you are referring to is the Mormon church (A.k.a. Church of Latter day saints) and their more "traditional" communities/members. The Golden tablets, said to be found by Joseph Smith in New York (founder of the LDS) were used to write the book of Mormon (their bible). You mention many women to one man, that's practice of Polygamy. It used to be normal for mormons long time ago but I've never seen a polygamist here as it is very uncommon nowadays. Though I'd say it stands true that mormons, usually, have a lot of kids. I don't think Mormons are dangerous, certainly not LGBTQ friendly for the most part, but not dangerous. Just another religion based around Christ.
As far as actual Native Americans in Utah though, our tribes consisted mostly of Shoshone, Ute, Goshute, Paiute, and a little Navajo. The LDS, gold plates, and such came with Western colonization of the area in the 1800's, hence why I don't consider them a "tribe" certainly not natives. I'm not Mormon though my knowledge is just patch work I've picked up having been raised here.
@@Soujourn_Sylvain ...it was a (poor) joke I guess, sorry. I am a bit familiar with mormonism. I read about that stuff AND they sent missionairies to my country . They have their own church building in my city in the Netherlands. They all wear the same strange clothes so it is easily to spot one in the crowds. When I see one I sometimes hail them with " Yo , Utah!" most of the time they think that is funny. But now that I think about it they only send males (elders?). THank you very much for your reply. :-) :-)
You may be interesting in russian ambassadors and travelers latters, ones what was made shortly after end of mongol yoke. Before this Russian states was restricted by mongols from independed diplomacy and after its end they "rediscover" Europe. Or, maybe in opposite - europeans who travel in Russia. Later ones is more available for westerner i guess. Dunno if russian ones was translater, but they are indeed really cool and interesting, again - different perspective.
+1
I would love to hear about Russian Conquest of Siberia.
Yes. I would also like to see a video on the 1320 Declaration of Arbroath.
I could translate
@@paulbadman8509 If you know Russian, I would recommend work by Siberia scholar Н.И. Никитин, including his famous textbook for school children "Освоение Сибири в XVII веке". It goes into a bit of detail about why Russians weren't so genocidal toward their natives compared to the Western Europeans, especially the British.
This is the most relaxing channel....and you still learn something
A floating house, well if you are out to sea for months at a time, its pretty close
This. More accurate imo than "big canoe"
"It must be a very large house floating on the sea."
Well, they weren't entirely wrong.
It would be interesting to go back in time and to observe these events in person.
Hello Lonnie, how are you doing today, how’s everything going over there 👉 hope your day is blessed 😇 Lonnie?
fr fr
Like going back to tell Jewish merchants: return those slaves to Africa! You know what you bring, and it's the plague on us all, for your benefit.
Ikr! It would be beyond fascinating...even though it may be gruesome at some parts.
I wish I could go back with today's knowledge, Unite the tribes , and stop what happened before it even started.
Awww, Wanishita!!!! thank you so much for gifting me a voice of my ancestors. Ni Lenape, I’m Delaware lenape Indian from Oklahoma. If anybody is curious, the word the source used as manitou (pronounced maw-ni-too) translates to spirit and spirits. There are many different types of manitou, and btw the tribe still has a couple drinking party’s every now and then. Unfortunately all the land theft out east eventually pushed us into the Great Lakes, and then south to Oklahoma today, but we’re working on it!
Sadly genocide plays along..
@@dajiedkynsai1669 we should have wiped the world when we had the chance, greetings from EU
Sorry for my curiosity, but do you still speak lenape language ? Also you I remark that you have a french name, how did it happen ? Thanks you.
My province is actually named after this word. Manitoba.
Although it's more towards Ojibway and Cree. Ojibway is the closest sounding one to how you say it here. Man-ih-to-bah
I'm actually a rare mix of Ojibway and Sioux, nice to meet you! 😊
“They did not wish to contend with them about a little land, as they had still enough themselves.” 🙁
“Someone make a note of that mans bravery”
Wish it would have stayed to getting drunk together.
Hey, at least the natives are still all getting drunk.
I like the dude who took the first drink of the alcohol, he was like "peace out y'all, if I die tell my wife I love her" then he was bestowed the gift of "getting twisted" and thus the indians were forever infected with the GET LIT virus.
*chugs wine* *wakes up* YO THIS SHIT IS LIT *gets shit faced*
It is hard to believe that even after several millennia, the indigenous peoples of North America did not stumble upon natural Fermentation.
they never played civ...
They did it was called Indian ice cream . It was made by the Pacific Northwest Indians with some wild berry , it was eaten like soup .
The indigenous people of Mexico (also part of North America) were drinking alcoholic beverages (e.g. pulque) long before any Europeans stepped foot in the Americas.
@@ififif31 And then the white man introduced them to Tequila, Mezcal and Marijuana.
you're all missing his point, yes while individual tribes did discover fermentation none of them had booze like the west. its astounding that someone could exist for so long and not figure out basic shit like that
The comments are so ignorant. If only they killed everyone that got off the ship things would be different today. But kindness and greed have created something unimaginable for the ancestors
I see a lot of "if they did this or that, they wouldn't have gone extinct", "they'd still be here"
We ARE...STILL HERE ✊
We'll always be here.
What nation are you from?
History Time is already an amazing channel, but with this one you've earned so much of my praise! You brothers are golden
ಥ‿ಥ It's so beautiful seeing true passion for history
It's even more interesting to hear how navies perceived Europeans 🤔😄
Ships do indeed tend to have interesting views on these matters.
Well I believe a destroyer did what it did best.
I wonder what an aircraft carrier’s thoughts are
Yes indeed navies are full of interesting human accounts
@@tyrelllyons6963 I've heard they are the same as the frigates.
The beginning of 'give an inch, they take a mile'
It's like if aliens landed here now.
They're already here.(not the little green man you're thinking about)
You would be surprised too know the truth.
It's Just like in this story.
In a type of craft we've never even thought about
@Graf von Losinj the crazy has already started, no?
@Graf von Losinj next year!
It can't be stopped, unless!
I for one welcome our new Manitou overlords.
I can't drink my tea cuz the image of these native dudes getting drunk makes me smile too much
You should go to a modern day native reservation then alcoholism is rampant there.
@@alexgoogleplus3779 its rampant pretty much everywhere
Found the white person
(😂 I jest, I just find your naivety cute)
@Sang Man Don't forget forced sterilization, missing and murder women and girls. The genocide never stops but we are still here.
@Level Nine Drow @owenlol2 Alcoholism is disproportionately rampant in Native American communities, pointing out that it happens in other places is kind of obvious, that is true of most things so I don't know why you bothered. Theres a lot of studies on this fact but this site sums it up pretty well. americanaddictioncenters.org/alcoholism-treatment/native-americans
Thats why I pointed it out because although the video is perhaps comedic on its face there is a much darker background between Europeans and Native americans exchanging alcohol. In any case, some people pointed this history out in the comments above.
The indians had no idea that the strange visitors would be their doom
Well not these strangers per se.
It must be noted here that in the Plymouth area the closest native tribe to the settlement made a military alliance with the Pilgrims because the Pilgrims has guns swords... This gave advantage to that tribe for that generation... the young indian men of the next generation saw the danger the whites posed to them and King Philips war resulted...
Finally something from the perspective of the natives. I would like to hear it directly from them, though.
Boi stop. The natives did not look like this. Even Columbus said so in his journal
“Finally something from the perspective of natives”;Just wanted to let you know there’s hundreds upon hundreds of books available to read on the subject. Literally more books than you could read in a lifetime. UA-cam videos can’t replace a good book.
@@dbptown8339 The colonist Columbus said we were copper toned people and unlike the Ethiopians. Long straight course black hair.
@@lakotawinyan483 not unlike
@@dbptown8339 Maybe do more research before speaking on history you clearly don't know and weren't passed down from tribal ancestors! you are on youtube. Go look at some tribes listen to their stories, go read the report Columbus wrote about Indigenous people here and the Indigenous people of the Caribbean, go look at what the other "explorers" and colonist said .. Look at the Comanche, Lakota, Cheyenne, Apache, cree... and the 550 plus other tribes. (we have same eye shape, same hair, we come in different skin tones, We have the same nose, laugh lines, high cheek bones)-my tribe (Lakota) has Incan shaped skulls.. .I'm sorry you are going through an identity crisis but don't try and steal from my peoples culture because you are confused on what you are and where you came from.. Their was black natives in North America, unfortunately they were the slaves of the Cherokee, choctaw, seminole, chickasaw and creek. (they were purchased from white slave owners) And for the other tribes that did not enslave people, did start mixing and having babies with black men and women therefore creating a mixed race..
I don't blame them for being hesitant to drink suspicious liquid after the Viking milk incident.
Fun fact: New York used to be called New Amsterdam as the Dutch got there before the British/English
Sad that the Dutch had to close down all the coffeeshops, when the British took over ....
And they sold it to get a monopoly on spice, specifically nutmeg.
A ship is really just a floating house .incredible words come alive from the past long gone
It floats for transport though
Reminds me of Apocalyto, the sighting of the 3 ships in the end. It was as if they saw a UFO. Imagine being there when it happened. Astounding.
if I could go back in time for any period it would be during the Pax Romana but if I could go back in time to observe just one specific event, I would see the first European and Native American contact. how insane it would be
Drinking alcohol for the first time... hmmm...
The people
Eat carbs and produce ethanol within their body, autofermentation
This is why maize is a part of the meal
No, this wasn't their first encounter w/ alcohol, as they had things similar to beer (although generally weak by today's standards) and other naturally occurring fermented beverages. Alcohol has been around for a very long time, ~6000 BC or earlier. This was merely their introduction to good wine. lol
@@VincentGonzalezVeg eating maize does not get you drunk bud
All is fun & games until the wars start
@@v.e.7236 lmaoo
This is like watching someone getting taken for all they own in Vegas. Very unfortunate.
@Benghali In Platforms you’re probably the type of person that gets off on nazi propaganda films from the 30’s
The First Americans seeing that ship - Must have been as scary as if we Earthlings would see a real UFO landing and discharging its occupants. Knowing how history turned out, I would have been terrified myself.
Brings tears to my eyes that the first encounters were positive and full of warm graciousness only for that system to collapse and develop murderous animosity towards each other.
If only our species weren't so barbaric.
listen to the way the indians talked "we thought we would be destroyed" right at teh first encounter. they were no strangers to barbaric war even then
In that case all species are barbaric
Stealing the land from the native americans had been their intention from the start. The greedy European empires of the time had set off across the ocean in search of money, more land to usurp and the power that came along with it. It was basically a giant frenzy/circlejerk for more power and wealth amongst the European powers, they couldn't have cared less about the people they had displaced.
Humans are animals; no more, no less.
Alas, your species is; Manitou is still picking up after a planetful of you, and babysitting, while the stars await with bated breath, a lover awaiting her equal man...
The Dutch did a Queen Dido! But when they were given an inch, they took a mile.
A mile of dildo?! Gross!
These videos are small, yet amazing glimses into the past. Brilliant.
Thats why in Malay there is a proverb that said "bagai belanda minta tanah" meaning like a dutch asking for a land.
The poetry of the rope at the end is quite impressive. Thanks
I like to put myself into their mindset by imagining what it would be like to see a UFO. People would be like "oh it might be a plane or something" but it turns out to be aliens. I feel like this is what it would have been like for them.
Do you drink? 🍹👽
Su….. sure….
😵💫😵
The brilliant organization of these people, though. Imagine a UFO landed in Texas and one mayor needed to let two others know about it so they can all calm their citzens and convince them to not grab their guns and start blasting. And at the end of it all they get high on alien catnip.
They're not the type to just grab their guns and start blasting. You've been seeing too many memes.
Very interesting video, I have Dutch heritage my self and it is very interesting to learn more about the history of the Dutch and there rol in early America.
I just love this channel. Great investigative work. Unfortunately I have to limit how many channels I support. I am not that rich.
The Leni Lenape are the native people who inhabited the lands that many of us live on today in the northeastern US (New York, New Jersey, Delaware, etc). There are a few places left where Leni Lenape still live together today. They’re not technically reservations, but there are several camps owned by native peoples where they live and preserve their tribe’s culture and history.
When I was a kid our school took us on a field trip to one of those camps, and it was a great experience. They are a kind, friendly people, and if their ancestors were anything like their kin, they didn’t deserve the injustice that was done to their people and their land. There’s nothing we can do to undo what was done today, it’s too late. We were born here, and I think they understand and accept that. But I hope their descendants continue to preserve their culture and history for many centuries to come; Because it is a truly special culture that modern America could desperately afford to learn from. There are other tribes in other areas of the country whose history isn’t so peaceful, I know that. But the Leni Lenape are some of the friendliest, most gentle, and forgiving people on the planet. They waste not, they want not, they use every part of the animal when they make a kill, they taught me and my classmates some valuable life lessons that I and surely many others still carry with us to this day.
It's incredible how similar the story of the wine is to the forbidden fruit that sent humans into earth as we know it.
The natives and Aztecs both had the same conclusions when it came to the ships appearing. This only makes think that if there is any aliens. They are from earth.
Yes there is, but they are aliens too earth!
Just like this story.
@UCJK_DcUO-PD0YDeKhbQ-jsg there no west or east of a globe.
(Apparently he deleted his comment.)
@@Birb728 different dimension?
Natives: Are you guys gods?
Europeans: What? What blasphemy, of course not.
Natives: We will give you many gifts and great honour!
Europeans: ... Ok, we're gods.
@@СаваСтанковић-с7к Sons of God!
Such a nice story. They were so friendly with each other until power entered the equation.
@Dragon Of The West World history we know is maybe 2000 years old mankind is older than 200.000 years. War and stealing country’s from natives happend more than we can imagine. If you want to give land back to the Natives almost all man have to go back to the cradle of the first born human in the world. Just give natives more power in the politics and solve modern day problems. Like modern slavery/ healthcare/housing/peace
Why don’t you give your house away to a native person for free? You’re the one offering it. Now you know who the fool is
It was greed.
Yes, the powerful weapon was guns.
Power was the equation. It still is. It always will be.
The history is narrated by the winner
Hell yeah, as a Mexican I definitely agree. If history was told by the other side, you’ve better believe it would have been much different.
Ok please give us the story from the otherside if they knew how to write.
There is no history if you're not advanced enough to record it.
@@alangervasis They did, do you think invading Europeans would leave these accounts just sitting there, they even knew what they did was wrong, that's why they destroyed most of the ones they weren't happy with, also it's written in a language that most can't understand, especially Europeans, they wouldn't know how to read it and would destroy it most likely, like Europeans have even done to other countries in Europe in the past.
@@patio87 They did, what history would really change with their culture, they chose to live that way for thousands of years, it was apart of their culture to give to the land, be one with it, and it will provide back. Besides, I guess you don't know about what happens to the accounts of the side that lost against Europeans or anybody in the old world. Even Europeans burned accounts of another country, town, or village in other European Countries. You were just easily fooled enough by the victor to show how destroying those accounts affects one's viewpoint, you're basically like a living psychological experiment almost, just not bright enough to see the actual picture is all.
The story of the hide being cut into strips was told by many American Indian tribes in different versions. It was a fable to describe what had really happened in a relatable way
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Hello Katie, how are you doing today, how’s everything going over there 👉 hope your day is blessed 😇 Katie?
Hearing your interpretation of indigenous perspectives is always a pleasure. More stories from North American Natives please! There are some great stories from the plains! Custer's men "discovering" the Black Hills has some great journals!
Love these. Can you do one with the letters of British when they first encountered the uncontacted tribe on North Sentinalese island on Andaman and Nicobar. The ones who were in news earlier this year cos of that missionary.
I just noticed that your accent has a bit of West Country in it. An example is when your i's become subtle oi's. You sound like an early American explorer. It's very cool!
its actually the british who changed their accents, not the americans
@@hxyzazolchak The 'British' that is a massive generalisation. The accents of Northumbria, Yorkshire and the Lake District have remained almost the same as before the Norman Conquest. The more rhotic sounding accents of southern and central England only receded into the West Country in the latter half of the twentieth century, under the influence of a media driven onslaught of London English and the contrivance we know as RP. The American accent derives far more from the speech of the 'Scotch-Irish' than that of (very) early English settlers.It was these people who first settled in Appalachia and beyond,carrying their accent , customs ( eg Halloween),and Presbyterian religion with them.
@@hxyzazolchak that’s completely not true. Both diverged and evolved.
I have always tried to imagine this moment from both perspectives, how wild it must have been
Voices of the Past can do a video on the Grito De Dolores or Cry of Dolores which Mexican priest Father Miguel Hidalgo said on September 16,1810 calling for Mexican independence from Spain
I think this is absolutely beautiful to listen to and imagine! You can not help but enjoy the purity and naivety. Feels so human (before it went all downhill also..). Almost makes me wish it was that god like creature, that checks in for a visit on the natives, instead of the europeans..
God like creature?
It was a shitty time all around
Yep cos the indians where "noble savages" who didnt kill each other for a few acres of land or as sacrifice to their gods... Those times where prety dark wherever you where, the difference was that in Europe and the "Civilized" world things where slowly getting better, whilst these people where stuck on the Iron Age. So European colonization was a natural occurrence(just like in nature,the stronger lion takes the weaker ones territory for its resources) if not even beneficial in some sense.
"Iron age" might be too kind. The Mohawks had no metal at all, not even ornamental gold or silver. No written language, no concept of the wheel, ideas of the white man increase to destroy all mankind
@@mikediamond353 Why is the wheel important to you people? They had no need for it therefore it wasn't invented. Also every group in Europeans didn't invent the wheel. It was invented in the middle east and spread to europeans. Why is ornamental gold and silver important? They are literally just useless rocks. Lastly written language isn't vital, and besides the greeks, no europeans independently developed written language. Most of western europe wouldn't have written language until the latins, who used a greek inspired script, gave them their script or inspired them to make their own through contact. No Eastern europeans would have a script until the greeks introduced one to them.
It's very interesting to me to see how the Aztecs immediately jumped to the conclusion that the boats were mountains, and the Europeans were Gods, while the Northern Indian tribes were more logical and reckoned that boats were some manner of vessel or animal and studied how it moved to determine what it was exactly.
That's largely not true.
@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 It is true, me no care what oyu tthinky
actually they all knew they were big boats once they saw them up close.
I don’t think the Aztec ever referred to them as gods in any way. They knew they were violent people, especially since they were so violent themselves having cannibalistic rituals and human sacrifice and bloodletting all the time. People back in the day were just generally insane no matter where you went if history is any indication lol
@@schnoz2372 They did they assumed they were gods at start
The same story is said in our history how Portuguese deceived our Kings and acquired a great piece of land to build their fort and how they drank blood and eat stones (wine and bread) how they brought muskets and cannons but difference is after very short while Sinhalese's build muskets far superior to Portuguese and and fought them tooth and nail nearly driving them out of Ceylon and finally with the help of the Dutch getting rid of them !
Your kings? THEIR kings. You were born half a millenia later. You have nothing in common except some DNA, same as the rest of us.
@@acesul8811 Would it be the same matter if brits claimed the tudors were their kings?
@@acesul8811 Nope. Ethnic identity is a thing, and quite important. Individuals exist as part of larger groups (families, clans, tribes, nations) whose timeframe is much longer than a human lifespan.
@@malformedhabsburg789 Yes, because House of Tudor is long gone. Elizabeth II is a direct descendent but only on her matrilineal side, and is also not a King. So if you consider matrilineal to still be a Tudor (Brits don't) then there is still a Tudor on the British throne.
@@leobat7007Oh since you consider ethnicity to be so important and precious then you'll happily celebrate Team Whitey discovering and bringing civilization to America. Way to go whitey!
Insane i get to hear a native mans account over 400 years after his time. Amazing.
Love these videos, thank you!!
PLease change title to: "native American Perspective on First Contact with the dutch". Every European country did colonization in his own way. I'm dutch myself. The dutch never really took the new netherland colony serious. It was a (large) "multi cultural" trading post. Thus I don't agree with the conclusion of this video. English anglo wanted everything , the dutch don't. They "only" wanted trading posts everywhere. That is a difference. That can still be seen today by the way. Look at New Guinea (irian jaya) for instance. That was a dutch colony for very long time. The inlands of NEw Guinea are still "undiscovered" till this day and inhabited by unknown tribes and animal species waiting to be discovered. Greeeets!
Dutch don't? LOL have you heard of the Dutch East India Company, of course you have, VOC took everything they could possibly get their hands on. All these european colonizers were the sameThieving murdrs
@@reggieangus5325 Yes I've heard of that organization before... I am not a fan. and yes the WIC was even worse then the VOC. That said I think there were differences between the colonial powers. To keep things "easy" : take a look at the movie the mission ('86) where you see a difference between portugal and spain towards colonialism. greets.
"Every European country"
East Europe: Eeeek
Why do the dutch people in 2020 still pretend like they somehow werent apart of the same evil and violent colonization that the rest of western europe was engaged in? Like its crazy when you see them post online, they genuinely believe somehow they "werent as bad" as if that was worth mentioning even if it were true (it isnt).
Like I have seen this very often, this dutch feeling online that they are somehow exempt from history and are more enlightened and compassionate than the rest of europe. Very odd and reeks of a suppressed guilt.
@@Lelbron6 I like your comment but I don't agree. Every country did colonization on his own way. Yes there are a lot of similarities but there are also differences. I would have rather been a slave on a french slaveship then one on a dutch slaveship I say as an example. You see, I am not saying dutch colonization was good and the rest was bad. People like Hilbert from "History with Hilbert" are corrupting dutch history here on youtube.
Getting their first taste of alcohol was a funny story but the implications are really, really tragic. Alcoholism ravages First Nations communities.
That's not the fault of the Europeans. No one's forcing today's Amerindians to be alcoholics.
@@racialconsciousness6996 Okay Racial Consciousness
@@racialconsciousness6996 calm down Adolph, I didn't say they were.
@@perspii2808 -- Yes, Racial Consciousness. We're all conscious of the reality of race, whether we have the courage to admit it or not.
@@racialconsciousness6996 Can I have a quick overview of what racial consciousness is? O’ mighty non-melanin pigmented human
I think "boat" would be a better translation or term than "canoe". Because canoe or kanawa just meant boat in one of the native languages (namely Carib). Therefore the ship would be described as a large boat, not necessarily a large "canoe" which has a foreign and specific connotation to us listeners. I think that's how the natives described the ship in the end, just a large boat.
Tysm i needed this for an exam
Thanksgiving is the greatest celebration of pure ingratitude.
It is more so a victory celebration to a successful conquest.
This video made me smile at first but sad in the end. No one could have stopped progress but i wish it didnt had come at the expensive of so much suffering for the native americans.
@Jasta 2 I fail to see what point you are trying to make.
@Jasta 2 These 2 things are hardly comparable and 1 tragedy doesnt diminish another.
genocide is not progress
The events described here happen 80 years after the French have settled on the coast of Maine / Halifax. When Hudson got to Maine in 1609 the natives spoke French to him.
And long after the actual first encounter with Europeans, which were Vikings from Scandinavia. Good video, but nonetheless is it historically inaccurate
This account is from THIS native persons first encounter with Europeans. It is not stating that this was the first encounter of indigenous and Europeans in ALL of the Western Hemisphere. Thus, neither the title nor the information in the video is historically inaccurate.
Hudson went on Dutch flag not English.
@@Johnnyapplseed6582 The story in the voiceover is told by Jon Heckewelder as his version of what was told to him. Heckewelder records this story around 1770 but, if the story refers to Hudson and not Verrazano, the story refers to September of 1609 -- 161 years prior. That is clearly more than one generation so at best this is a missionaries interpretation of an orally relayed story that had to pass through about 4 generations. A story with that provenance is surely corrupted.
The indigenous people of Manhattan island were very familiar with visitors from distant parts of the earth for example the Taino who came from the area which is now Venezuela on a regular basis. Taino people intermixed with people near modern day Wappingers NY around 1000 BCE and again around 1300 CE. Beans were introduced to the NY area around 1300 CE and Taino and other peoples followed the migrations of various animals frequently, perhaps even annually. Contact with Verrazano in 1524 was well known to people of Manhattan island. Hudson records indigenous people on the coast of Maine speaking French which proves they had frequent contact and trade with europeans long before Hudson arrived.
Asserting that events and "inventions" are irrefutably "firsts" is something that cautious historians avoid.
For a moment I thought the guy is George Washington going full Indian!
Inb4 Natives were all painted as "peaceful peoples of the forest". They were just a warring people, took slaves, murdered etc etc. Difference is, they were outplayed.
There were many different peoples in America dear. They all had their own cultures, languages and customs, just like Europeans. Some were nicer than others.
Amazing video and thank you for representing the native americans
Sounds a bit far fetched that a Native American wouldn't know what an axe head could be used for.
That stuck out to me as well, even of they had no idea about iron at all the simple shape and cutting edge should make immediate sense to them. Perhaps it was more a case of prising the items for their sentimental value rather than not knowing their practical use?
"Hey, look at my strange shiny axe head! It was given to me by a divine being, isn't that cool?"
08:21 "The whole assembly imitate him, and all become intoxicated." LOL. So was that the 1st time the natives there ever tried alcohol?
I do know the natives of Central and South America, maybe the Caribbean, made local beers. Read this - www.penn.museum/sites/biomoleculararchaeology/?page_id=147
Europeans were about 5 thousand years ahead of native Americans. They did not have bronze or other alloys, they didn’t have the wheel, they didn’t have an understanding of leverage or pulleys. The sailing ship was essentially technology they could not possibly understand.
First thing the Native Americans did was judge the new arrivals on the colour of their skin. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I mean, they didn’t really see Lighter skin.
I mean white people look like 👻
First contact in Mexico were with Mayan fisherman who were more annoyed that they didn't catch anything.
I would love to see more about Dutch explorers since they have been so active in the exploration and mapping of the world not that long ago Dutch was an official language in every continent
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@Dragon Of The West Well to be precise, first explore then colonize. Though specifically modern day New York wasn't colonized at all by the Dutch, it was bought. Bought dirt cheaply sure (5 thousand dollars adjusted for inflation) but still bought.
Are you colonizing land if you buy a piece of land?
Thank you for interest. I am from the Netherlands.
@@relo999 dude. haal die gekoloniseerd bullshit weg ajb en hou het beetje op nivo zoals je 2de comment. greets
@@ezandman6804 nahh, soms moet je gewoon lekker laag niveau hebben. toch mooi man.
Wiking from Scandinavia was 500 years before colombus in usa...😁👍
yes, we know this.....and this encounter was specifically the Dutch and the Mohicans.
And what did they do with it? Oh yeah they wrote it down somewhere no one ever read it and then they fucking died
Such a nice tale to be told to Children, before falling to sleep.
Contrast this with the response of the Australian Aborigines to James Cook's ship in 1770. They looked up from their fishing, saw it, and went back to their fishing without displaying the slightest curiosity.
The colour red is very ubiquitous with european-Indian relations
Why does it seem like almost every native American tribe thought it was the second coming of Jesus of Christ or something, when Europeans arrived?
When superstitious people see technology they don't understand, they think it's divine in nature. That's just how the human animal is, on every continent.
They had never seen people like the Europeans before. To them everything about the Europeans was strange and alien. Might as well be some other worldly being to the natives.
@@1mag1nat1vename The creation of gunpowder is alchemy, and our ability to change the feelings of others through words and substances is illusion.
I promise if aliens showed up tomorrow thatd be 80% of the world's response.
And we have science and shit
Most civilizations describe gods as having unearthly, ghost-like appearances. I imagine Europeans with their pale skin might have seemed as such, especially with their relatively advanced technology.
You should do a video about the native perspective of when the Vikings arrived
We must secure the existence of the Native American and a future for Native American children.
We are the Native Americans now, the Haudenosaunee can go back to Asia!
Wow, how very very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
we vikings came and lived in north america, and mixed with the natives already in the 900s
Yoo, when will you make a video on Vijayanagara empire? As I said that the Portuguese traveller left some interesting doccuments which would be great for a video!
Imagine being in the natives' shoes when first seeing that big wooden ship... It'd be like us seeing a UFO today.
The ships do mostly the same things as a canoe. It's just larger
the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must
Bruh you will NOT believe what runs with arrow saw yesterday
"Which in the end, proved true"
ominous...
Based
the music helps in that manner as well.
@@SaintJames14 based on?
@@vercot7000 based on every planet my guy