It was going to be a 3rd person open world game, and could have been an amazing contrast to GTA 3. I can't remember why they switched to a linear FPS, but I guess it was due to switching from Mac to making the game for Xbox.
I think marathon is one of the best game to make into an extraction shooter, I think the new art style is incredible and i hope that they integrate the rich story well throughout the gameplay. I am itching to play this game
I am completely excited but my main concern is now there hero/class system. I wonder how that will work and if it will be their own unique twist on it for the game since originally there was no hero/class system in mind since the original concept was for the player to create their own runner in their own way.
Not really, considering Destiny 2 made them a lot of money they still have quite a few game's left before they die out which most likely will happen due to how greedy their higher ups are
I wonder where the writers behind marathon are now, by far the most compelling lore and plot of any video game by far, and it was literally one of the first fps games ever lol
Yeah the levels also wasn't proper 3D. You could layer areas under other areas but they couldn't directly see each other due to it still being 2.5. The thing Marathon did before others was have proper physics engine that they used for platforming puzzles. And, funnily enough, recent DOOM stuff also has similar puzzles due to having physics on the player. System Shock, same year, had angled floor/ceilings which was the first 2.5D style game to manage that which is nifty.
@@brunocar02 That makes sense for how it worked. Knew they could have stuff over/under other areas but there was weird like view angles. Like in M2 they had a hallway over a lava pit, but you couldn't see the lava pit while looking down the hallway or vice versa. Was a good trick for the time.
Bungie’s new game does look good visually, but it shouldn’t have the name Marathon attached to it. From what we’ve seen so far it is going to bear little resemblance to what came before in both looks and gameplay. Leave new Marathon content to the community on Aleph One instead of making some other game and slapping the Marathon name and logo on it.
I'm pretty sure that thanks to Mandy's work, MILLIONS of people know about both Marathon and the fact that it WASN'T their first game. Because Marathon isn't set in a pyramid in Nicaragua jungle...
Sad part is even though the market is so over saturated and the genre is already played out on pc, console still doesnt even have 1 good extraction shooter besides hunt. And even that one is a pretty terrible port.
@@ZivineYTstill to close in my opinion. I hope the game does well as I’d hate to see bungie close as a 30 year old who grew up on Halo. But I’m tired of trends. Just me though
So it was really just one reporter writing an article on a interview. the Hero Shooter thing, even though gammer can't provide a definition that is just them filling their diaper over Overwatch, was just made up by talentless freaks who pretend that have any journalistic capability what so ever.
@@bazilisek502it doesn't matter how many there are it matters how many there are vs how big is the market. And the market for them seems to be increasingly small
@@bazilisek502 Gray Zone Warfare/Marauders/Escape from Tarkov/Arena Breakout: Infinite/vigor/DMZ/Ghost of tabor/Dark and Darker/Dungeonborne/Huntshowdown and ones that are coming out are ARC Raiders/Marathon/hunger/exoborne the only ones that come to mind I didn't bother listing all the ones that have came out and died mind you these are just the active games and upcoming games this list would be way way longer if I included dead games
Played the shit out of the Marathon series on the ol Macintosh Performa 6360 back in the day. That and the Escape Velocity series consumed my childhood free time.
@@SticksAandstonesBozowhat bungie did 30 years ago is completely different, all those people that did halo are long gone its more stupid to look at it like that instead of destiny- current
@@SticksAandstonesBozo tell me how many people, who worked on Marathon are left in Bungie. You volunteered, right? So don't be shy now, share that info with us.
No video has ever taken me from perturbed to excited to disappointed more quickly than Marathon's trailer. I don't care about battle royales or extraction shooters, and I'm tired of these game modes being shoehorned into games at the expense of other, better modes.
Yup BR is the single worst FPS game mode I have played in my 26 years of being alive. Extraction shooters are slightly better but that doesn't mean much. The death of arena shooters, load out respawn shooters, and everything not called a tac FPS or BR is tragic.
I loved the first 3 Marathon games! Bungie revisiting this title is exciting news. Having said that I would hope that Bungie would seek to dig deeper into the original idea of the game. So many older games have drifted away from their original concepts and have inadvertently converged due to a combination of tech innovations and $$. Bungie has a chance of making something new by sticking to what is old.
It’s funny that Bungie stopped making games after the last Halo game; Halo Reach. Neither developer or franchise has been seen again. Seriously WTF Bungie. They’re doing the Xbox 360 treatment of ShadowRun to Marathon. An extraction Marathon game is going to bomb.
Worked as a graphics designer in the 90's using Mac's and we held LAN-party once a month. Marathon was a big hit! I also made the entire office as a map with textures from photos of our walls and stuff. I made custom aliens and recorded sounds & speech from colleagues. It was quite surreal to battle in a virtual location you know so well IRL. The official editor-tool Forge and Anvil was really good and easy to use. The "1 hole in a wall limit" and "64 unit limit viewing distance" of the engine forced you to think about creative ways to build the map and then optimize it. I think that last limit has been extended in the OpenSource version of the engine. I played all 3 Marathon's again on Steam just recently and still enjoyed it ! ...and in Marathon you really needed to proper aim to conserve ammo! (not just aim in the general direction and click mouse) Also the first versions of Marathon did not support mouse - keys only! SWAD to run and Cursors to aim :)
Something I would LOVE to see from marathon, as someone who's never played the originals; somewhat of an open world setting, where you choose your point to spawn in and then find your extraction, but bringing in the Destiny Strike style modes where we can do something akin to a "Raid Lair" with a lot of lore heavy stuff, that has somewhat of a loose campaign feel. Something to give us an idea of what the world of Marathon is outside of the extraction experience we will probably love as well
Marathon's maps weren't fully 3D. They were 2.5D, just like Doom's. But because of the way mapping works in Marathon, two rooms can occupy the same space on the map without being physically connected. This is how you get room-over-room architecture (or impossibly overlapping architecture, in some levels).
I gotta say, the world does have really cool lore and aesthetically is so unique to me. Never tried extraction shooters but I’ll definitely give this one a shot
Marathon is based on movement, you get more damage when you have more momentum especially with the melee attacks its sorta floaty kinda like halo which is what gives it the bungie fps feel
Live service games are either a mega hit or complete flop. Putting out a mega hit is more and more difficult as the market is saturated, which is made worse by the fact that live service games are updated with new content and even engine upgrades. This means new games dont even have a technological or graphical advantage over established games. This means Marathon is going to need such compelling gameplay that people abandon the games where people already have bought tons of battle passes skins etc. and a established player base. I would rather a story based Bungie game with a fun multiplayer like Halo, even if it were a PlayStation exclusive that I can't play, rather than a multiplatform live service game that I won't play.
Got all 3 Marathon games on Steam for free. They're old, but cool if you like getting lost, dealing with puzzles and finding secrets that let you learn more about the story. Almost like a... Dark Souls?? Can't wait for Bungie to revive Myth or ONI (with some Ghost in the Shell events?) for modern audience with modern genres.
Ya know.... does it _need_ to be PvP? Its pretty clear to anyone paying attention that the Battle Royal and PvP Extraction market has been done to dead, exploited, and is now bone dry. But there is clearly a HUGE, untapped demand for PvE extraction games.
The way the pistol and carbine work in Halo is directly from how it works in Marathon. In both games the pistol is laser accurate, while the carbine sprays like a hose.
I love the art style and I still feel it's a shame we don't get a coop campaign. It would have been great to have a Halo Reach retelling in the Marathon universe.
It's a huge gamble for Bungie, and being myself a huge Marathon fan I don't even know what to expect. I'm not into extraction shooters, but who knows what Bungie is really cooking there, only time will tell...
We need a User Generated Content FPS Platform that lets the community build whatever they want in a FPS game. Take Halo Forge and Battlefield Portal then fuse them together. Throw in a map editor, weapon skin editor, character creation, ect.. Gamers are an untapped potential for future innovations of the FPS genre. Just give us the tools in a Forge like UI and we'll build the future.
You meant the game they've been working on for the past 10 years? Yeah it's time they stop beating a dead horse and do something interesting for a change
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Nah i mean the one project they have that actually makes them money. They have consistently pumped millions into projects that amount to nothing, all while still laying off hundreds of staff.
@@Jack-ip9yi Marathon will make them money. They're like any other game studio that sells a game, and then makes the rest of their money through microtransactions. Destiny already made money with their expansions, and now they're investing time and money into Marathon so they can get a second income of money in the future.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 they basically have the one game that is funding their studio on life support and it's gotten so bad that it's actually dying. This season is so bad I think it might kill Destiny.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 doubtful. They completely tarnished their pvp reputation with the D2 playerbase by abandoning them for a new cash grab opportunity.
I do like the aesthetic of what Bungie has shown so far. I just hope Sony doesn’t fumble it by trying to squeeze every cent out of it. Likewise, I hope the passion/vision of its dev team didn’t get muddled by the layoffs.
2:30 - Incorrect. In most of my earlier lan parties we never setup a router in our lan space since most of my friends didn't even have internet. We just had a 24 port network switch, all pc's would just get assigned a manual IP and we were off playing.
Fact check: (0:10) actually, wrong. pathways into darkness was bungie's first FPS game. (0:41) there are many cases of lesser known franchises/games getting reboots. for example: rise of the triad 2013. (1:00) these are SPRITES. 2d SPRITES. using PIXELS. Voxels are 3d. (1:45) That is untrue. it was faux 3d just like doom, but used little gimmicks to give the ILLUSION of a multilayered 3d space. (5:50) Halo was originally connected with the marathon franchise (just like every previous Bungie game) but Microsoft owned the rights to halo and Bungie wanted out. (7:50) Like I said, every bungie game is connected in someway canonically.
I remember Marathon but didn't have a Mac so I never played it. I only learned about it's deep lore from watching MandaloreGaming's videos about it. I've never played a HALO or Destiny game. I do love the way that new Marathon game looks. It's gorgeous, but I won't play it either because my pc won't be able to run it. The only Bungie games I've played is Myth II: Soulblighter and the demo for Oni. They were really cool.
I have yet to play an extraction shooter that felt like it fully fleshed out the idea of extraction shooting. Cool loot, fun battles, fun pvm and pvp elements, and rare items and stuff to unlock. Most of these extraction shooters being released people are trashing on, are just dogshit games themselves, the idea of extraction shooters isn't bad. The implementation and every version i've played is fairly boring and bad though. Maybe make a game that isn't dogshit, and it won't be dogshit? Wild premise I know.
@@Dethmeister I have 42 Hours playtime on hunt atm, I'd say it is one of the better ones, but my issue with hunt is how slow the PvP gameplay is, how long the load times are between games/finding teams, and how they dont have maps full of people for some modes. Finding a person takes forever sometimes and it just can feel extremely boring.
okay i need help here guys, everyone keeps saying the extraction shooter genre is over saturated but too my knowledge there are really only 2 well know played or received extraction shooters, that being HUNT SHOWDOWN and ESCAPE FROM TARKOV. can someone clue me into the other ones that make this market over saturated because where i stand there are only really 2, no ?
Idk how successful this reboot is gonna be but i have a bad feeling for bungie to reboot such an old title as a trend chasing extraction shooter instead of going the classic halo formula with a strong Campaign and fun Multiplayer with vast earnable customization or the destiny looter shooter route or heck even mixing em in the middle of those two ip would probably be more successful then trend chasing. Marathon is a huge risk even more when you factor the current issues with Bungie and its upper management.
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Duke Nukem 3D also use a raycaster just like Doom and faked upwards and downwards camera movement with a clever trick?
I actually think Marathon makes for a great setting for an extraction shooter, the potential is definitely there. Of course, the real problem isn't that the genre is "over saturated," it's that there hasn't been a single AAA that has shown they understand what makes extraction shooters compelling, and everything I've heard so far about the new Marathon tells me that Bungie doesn't get it either.
because bungie is a failing company and cant come up with a new idea so they are try to revive an old ip no one cares about back when they were a real game company. and wow surprising, an extraction hero shooter.. we don't have enough of those..
Destiny style weapons with lootable parts and customization would be incredible, but hero's/classes? No thanks. Asking for balancing nightmares and it takes away from the feeling of separating yourself from the pack by LOOTING and extracting with rare loot that gives you the power over your enemies. Destiny built some solid characters and had some amazing moments and storytelling, praying Bungie can revive that feeling, but won't be surprised when they fail epically.
If Bungie were just going to remaster the original trilogy i would be interested But it looks like they are going to take a cool shooter, throw in cash shops, arena pvp bullshit and DEI garbage. all that is wrong with modern gaming and stuff it up. Count me out
This is wild that they’re putting so many chips into an extraction shooter. Especially seeing how all bungie fans are playing Destiny 2 right now so they won’t get a crazy amount of that playerbase because destiny players don’t want an extraction game for the most part. Just who are they making this for?
You're asking the right questions, the problem is most of these big corporations will only fund what they think will be the next Fortnite. It's just hilarious that every new game trying to be the next Fortnite fails spectacularly. With a few exceptions. But I have zero interest in Marathon, or any other pvp based game.
I was excited when i saw they were making a new Marathon expecting it to get the Doom 2016/Eternal treatment, then i saw it was nothing like Marathon at all and stopped caring about it immediately. If this was a kick ass reimagining of the old Marathon games with an upgraded arena style multiplayer I'd be hyped, but I don't give a shit about extraction shooters so I'm out.
probably because it's a Mac only game. We must be similar age, and I too had never heard of Marathon prior to learning that Bungie was making the game because I play Destiny 2
@HM-ky6xp I'd say recent gaming trends and numbers cement it tbh. Take the most hyped extraction shooter to date being Grey Zone Warfare, it was plastered everywhere along with sponsors, streams and hype from every UA-cam channel under the sun... it now has a peak of 1000 players daily. Let's take something even more popular with Call of Duty, a game with ravenous fans and a reputation for accepting anything thrown at them. MW3 has 200k peak users daily and yet DMZ has an active showing of just 2k players daily... that's 1% of the playerbase.... Take Escape From Tarkov as another example, a game many herald as the epitome of extraction shooters which provides a far more tense environment throughout an entire match, than a final circle does in any Battle Royale... it has 24k players daily and has an average view count of 3k on Twitch. The extraction shooter fad is dead and has been for awhile, people may show initial interest for the first few weeks and that's about it. Imo it's a good thing it's dead, it never evolved or progressed in meaningful ways and any relevancy it had deserved to die out.
@@geddybear9108 Tarkov and Hunt were designed for it and have their stable niche. All others were shoehorned into it and their audience slowly rejected them. A single game mode can't support a game forever. Custom maps/modes of Half Life, Halo, Warcraft 3 and some other meanwhile were turned into whole separate games by developers, who stole the ideas from creative players. And whom now are afraid to create such solid independent sandboxes anymore.
@TheArklyte GZW was built from the ground up for it, so was arena breakout despite being free and seeing huge interest on launch has a peak of 3k players. It doesn't matter if a mode is integrated into a game or not that depends on its success. CoD Zombies, Resident Evil Mercenaries mode, Gwent from The Witcher, Horde Mode in Gears of War, Fortnite (yes Fortnite was a side mode) there are countless that have attracted and kept players attentions because they were done right. Wether it be a side mode or ground up it doesn't matter when the genre is dead and doesn't have any interest to be taken.
@@geddybear9108 I think making extractions limited and time based through out the map would make an extraction shooter more intense once they’ve been used no one else can use them and then have something called the final extraction that spawns in and you’d have to fight over it to escape giving you that one last chance to escape if not you die with the map that would give that final circle br type intensity that all extraction shooters are missing , plus having the same idea as hunt where you all have the same objective meaning the monsters that you’d have to find and kill and then wait til completion is 100% also making them you’re only means of profit to buy weapons, perks in the market etc Most extractions are walking simulators where you go on for literally nothing I think there’s so much more that can be done with them like the ways i just explained
IMO its bungie, the name is known for halo and destiny, two major gaming franchisees. they will get players, no matter what the game is. If the game is bad i could see it being the end of bungie as we know it. Both destiny games had pretty shaky launches, and it took time to get them to a place that people enjoyed, but they were still fun games to play. If this game fails, i don't see buingie bouncing back. They already got sony up their asses, and can't really afford another fuck up.
Whenever something gets announced and turns out to be an extraction only shooter, I get so disappointed. Hasn't the extraction shooter craze completely died? The market is so oversaturated and exhausted. As much as I have loved their past franchises, I can't get behind this one. I want to blame Sony, but this has probably been in development since before Sony acquired them. They probably started a few years ago when the market for extraction shooters was big and needing competition, but with how long it's taken them, the genre has fallen off. Oversaturated and not enjoyable for a vast majority of gamers who do not like the pace and consequences of extraction shooters, it's alienating a huge amount of potential players. It's probably going to fail. A near 30 year old IP that is older than most of it's target audience isn't going to give it any leverage, just look at how the extraction shooters with Call of Duty and Battlefield behind their names failed spectacularly. I hate to say it, but then limiting this to just an extraction shooter is going to hurt it's chance of success, especially when Bungie's previous franchises have excelled at multifaceted experiences. Destiny is a prime example, having everything from a massive amount of single player content, to multiplayer cooperative content, MMO style cooperative raids and dungeons, and a huge PVP side of the game completely separate from the rest, many players often only playing PVE or PVP and rarely touching the other. Bungie is not going to get a Halo or Destiny level of success from Marathon. It's doomed from the start :(
So it IS safe to say that every gamer on the planet knows about the Halo franchise, you will not be harmed, but it is probably not correct since Halo is not popular in Asia.
I think a new destiny would be sick but they need to do something new with it or a complete refresh all around. I miss the destiny 1 days. So many good times I want those times back but destiny 2 was just a copy and paste and i got burnt out.
Why turn Marathon into an Extraction? No reason. Its just mining nostalgia. Halo is more Extraction. You could be a criminal running thru New Mombassa, weaving between Elites vs Brutes vs Cops / ODSTs
Marathon will be a massive failure and it will be the end of Bungie. I can tell, their "heroes" aren't even heroes, they're things I can't say on youtube. The same crap Concord got called out for. They deserve it too, for what they did to Destiny. Instead of creating a Destiny 3, or properly supporting their only title bringin in any money, lets create Marathon! Yeah, that game is gonna make a tooooon of money. Can you sense my sarcasm? So, goodbye Bungie, I won't miss you.
Most people don't know or remember that Halo was supposed to be a Mac exclusive as well until Microsoft aquired Bungie.
I thought everyone knew this.
I guess maybe younger gamers might now know this but I don't know if many younger gamers are playing Halo.
It was going to be a 3rd person open world game, and could have been an amazing contrast to GTA 3. I can't remember why they switched to a linear FPS, but I guess it was due to switching from Mac to making the game for Xbox.
Or that it was RTS
Ya, I remember that. I was so pissed. It would be a nice homage to release the new Marathon on Mac, since that's where there orignal fan base is.
Marathon was not Bungies first FPS, that is Pathways into Darkness which is also part of the Marathon Universe.
soooooooo marathon
To be clear, he did say first fps similar to Halo, all though Pathways has potential ties to the Halo universe too.
Another game I enjoyed in my childhood, they should breathe life into these and bring them back.
@@Mr-R.R.No. Marathon has many new features in both gameplay and storytelling. Not to mention a different setting.
I think marathon is one of the best game to make into an extraction shooter, I think the new art style is incredible and i hope that they integrate the rich story well throughout the gameplay. I am itching to play this game
I am completely excited but my main concern is now there hero/class system. I wonder how that will work and if it will be their own unique twist on it for the game since originally there was no hero/class system in mind since the original concept was for the player to create their own runner in their own way.
Marathon is Bungie's ride or die. With d2 on life support, if marathon flops Sony will make bungie go the way of the red war campaign
with any luck it’ll flop and bungie will finally be at peace
This game is floppin hard... when I think Marathon, this is not what I had in mind.
@@noone-em3wc nah hopefully they survive and return to Halo and original Marathon style games again.
@@marksmanmerc1 none of the OGs are there so that’ll never happen
Not really, considering Destiny 2 made them a lot of money they still have quite a few game's left before they die out which most likely will happen due to how greedy their higher ups are
Nobody who worked on Marathon still works at Bungie
Jason Jones does
I wonder where the writers behind marathon are now, by far the most compelling lore and plot of any video game by far, and it was literally one of the first fps games ever lol
You said "voxel based enemies". They are sprites tho. Voxels are 3D cubes jumbled together to create models
Yeah the levels also wasn't proper 3D. You could layer areas under other areas but they couldn't directly see each other due to it still being 2.5. The thing Marathon did before others was have proper physics engine that they used for platforming puzzles. And, funnily enough, recent DOOM stuff also has similar puzzles due to having physics on the player.
System Shock, same year, had angled floor/ceilings which was the first 2.5D style game to manage that which is nifty.
@@AdhinJT jusut FYI marathon DID make a system to make floors over floors, through a form of portals that are seemless
@@brunocar02 That makes sense for how it worked. Knew they could have stuff over/under other areas but there was weird like view angles. Like in M2 they had a hallway over a lava pit, but you couldn't see the lava pit while looking down the hallway or vice versa. Was a good trick for the time.
as soon as I heard that I was like, written by AI, or just incompetent...
Or….how about they remake/reboot Marathon as a true single player FPS with the Extraction mode as its MP?
Bungie’s new game does look good visually, but it shouldn’t have the name Marathon attached to it. From what we’ve seen so far it is going to bear little resemblance to what came before in both looks and gameplay.
Leave new Marathon content to the community on Aleph One instead of making some other game and slapping the Marathon name and logo on it.
I'm pretty sure that thanks to Mandy's work, MILLIONS of people know about both Marathon and the fact that it WASN'T their first game. Because Marathon isn't set in a pyramid in Nicaragua jungle...
Nor was Pathways Into Darkness. There was GNOP, Operation Desert Storm, and Minotaur: The Labyrinths of Crete before there was Pathways.
The words “extraction shooter” are starting to make my ears bleed
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The new Battle Royale...
@@kaznika6584 that one hurts as well😂
Sad part is even though the market is so over saturated and the genre is already played out on pc, console still doesnt even have 1 good extraction shooter besides hunt. And even that one is a pretty terrible port.
what about battle royale?
god no more hero based games
Ooooof 😅
From what I heard from leaks, it’s not exactly a hero shooter but more of an archetype based class system (Heavy, Light, Support, Exec)
@@ZivineYTstill to close in my opinion. I hope the game does well as I’d hate to see bungie close as a 30 year old who grew up on Halo. But I’m tired of trends. Just me though
So it was really just one reporter writing an article on a interview. the Hero Shooter thing, even though gammer can't provide a definition that is just them filling their diaper over Overwatch, was just made up by talentless freaks who pretend that have any journalistic capability what so ever.
How many extraction shooters are there? Is the market even saturated?
Yea very and they all end up dying
1 extraction shooter existing is 1 too many extraction shooter.
@@The_Geni name 5
@@bazilisek502it doesn't matter how many there are it matters how many there are vs how big is the market. And the market for them seems to be increasingly small
@@bazilisek502 Gray Zone Warfare/Marauders/Escape from Tarkov/Arena Breakout: Infinite/vigor/DMZ/Ghost of tabor/Dark and Darker/Dungeonborne/Huntshowdown
and ones that are coming out are
ARC Raiders/Marathon/hunger/exoborne the only ones that come to mind
I didn't bother listing all the ones that have came out and died mind you these are just the active games and upcoming games this list would be way way longer if I included dead games
Played the shit out of the Marathon series on the ol Macintosh Performa 6360 back in the day. That and the Escape Velocity series consumed my childhood free time.
Bungie's next over monitized and under delivered train wreck😂
Yeah cause only what someone does in the last year matters. Not the 30 years prior. All that’s done. Tell me more oh Gen z wisdom soldier.
@@SticksAandstonesBozowhat bungie did 30 years ago is completely different, all those people that did halo are long gone its more stupid to look at it like that instead of destiny- current
@@SticksAandstonesBozo tell me how many people, who worked on Marathon are left in Bungie. You volunteered, right? So don't be shy now, share that info with us.
@@TheArklyte Aren't all of the main guys still there?
@@athan336 they also made Oni.
No video has ever taken me from perturbed to excited to disappointed more quickly than Marathon's trailer.
I don't care about battle royales or extraction shooters, and I'm tired of these game modes being shoehorned into games at the expense of other, better modes.
Yup BR is the single worst FPS game mode I have played in my 26 years of being alive. Extraction shooters are slightly better but that doesn't mean much. The death of arena shooters, load out respawn shooters, and everything not called a tac FPS or BR is tragic.
I loved the first 3 Marathon games! Bungie revisiting this title is exciting news. Having said that I would hope that Bungie would seek to dig deeper into the original idea of the game. So many older games have drifted away from their original concepts and have inadvertently converged due to a combination of tech innovations and $$. Bungie has a chance of making something new by sticking to what is old.
It’s funny that Bungie stopped making games after the last Halo game; Halo Reach. Neither developer or franchise has been seen again.
Seriously WTF Bungie. They’re doing the Xbox 360 treatment of ShadowRun to Marathon. An extraction Marathon game is going to bomb.
Worked as a graphics designer in the 90's using Mac's and we held LAN-party once a month. Marathon was a big hit! I also made the entire office as a map with textures from photos of our walls and stuff. I made custom aliens and recorded sounds & speech from colleagues. It was quite surreal to battle in a virtual location you know so well IRL. The official editor-tool Forge and Anvil was really good and easy to use. The "1 hole in a wall limit" and "64 unit limit viewing distance" of the engine forced you to think about creative ways to build the map and then optimize it. I think that last limit has been extended in the OpenSource version of the engine. I played all 3 Marathon's again on Steam just recently and still enjoyed it ! ...and in Marathon you really needed to proper aim to conserve ammo! (not just aim in the general direction and click mouse) Also the first versions of Marathon did not support mouse - keys only! SWAD to run and Cursors to aim :)
Something I would LOVE to see from marathon, as someone who's never played the originals; somewhat of an open world setting, where you choose your point to spawn in and then find your extraction, but bringing in the Destiny Strike style modes where we can do something akin to a "Raid Lair" with a lot of lore heavy stuff, that has somewhat of a loose campaign feel. Something to give us an idea of what the world of Marathon is outside of the extraction experience we will probably love as well
Wish they would re-release Oni. That obviously also has call backs to Halo.
This is barreling towards being the next Concord TBH.
My thoughts exactly. It's DOA.
I agree 100%, I'm actually looking forward to it tbh
It might very well. But at least it has more visual style than Concord.
They should have remastered Marathon 1 and 2, kind of like the Deadspace remake. Making it an extraction pvp genre seems risky.
I played the hell out of the original on a Macintosh Performa. I loved it. That said, not sure marathon is going to resonate now.
0:30 "Because Bungie is rebooting the series" 🙂🙂 "...as an extraction shooter." 🙄🙄
Marathon's maps weren't fully 3D. They were 2.5D, just like Doom's. But because of the way mapping works in Marathon, two rooms can occupy the same space on the map without being physically connected. This is how you get room-over-room architecture (or impossibly overlapping architecture, in some levels).
I gotta say, the world does have really cool lore and aesthetically is so unique to me. Never tried extraction shooters but I’ll definitely give this one a shot
Marathon is based on movement, you get more damage when you have more momentum especially with the melee attacks its sorta floaty kinda like halo which is what gives it the bungie fps feel
Man, I remember playing Marathon2 in the dorms in college. Dual shotguns were a menace. XD
How old are you?
Live service games are either a mega hit or complete flop. Putting out a mega hit is more and more difficult as the market is saturated, which is made worse by the fact that live service games are updated with new content and even engine upgrades. This means new games dont even have a technological or graphical advantage over established games.
This means Marathon is going to need such compelling gameplay that people abandon the games where people already have bought tons of battle passes skins etc. and a established player base.
I would rather a story based Bungie game with a fun multiplayer like Halo, even if it were a PlayStation exclusive that I can't play, rather than a multiplatform live service game that I won't play.
Got all 3 Marathon games on Steam for free.
They're old, but cool if you like getting lost, dealing with puzzles and finding secrets that let you learn more about the story. Almost like a... Dark Souls??
Can't wait for Bungie to revive Myth or ONI (with some Ghost in the Shell events?) for modern audience with modern genres.
I don't think they can revive Myth and ONI im the same way.
Didn't know they were released on steam, thanks!
Ya know.... does it _need_ to be PvP? Its pretty clear to anyone paying attention that the Battle Royal and PvP Extraction market has been done to dead, exploited, and is now bone dry. But there is clearly a HUGE, untapped demand for PvE extraction games.
The way the pistol and carbine work in Halo is directly from how it works in Marathon. In both games the pistol is laser accurate, while the carbine sprays like a hose.
7:50 In Destiny 2 there's also a warlock chest ornament called the s'phtish robes, basically a copy/paste of the enemy model
it's ugly though
100%. It's so bad that I've never used it and I still recognized it when the model was shown in the video
I will unfortunately fail, they should have focused on a story driven game
I love the art style and I still feel it's a shame we don't get a coop campaign. It would have been great to have a Halo Reach retelling in the Marathon universe.
It's a huge gamble for Bungie, and being myself a huge Marathon fan I don't even know what to expect. I'm not into extraction shooters, but who knows what Bungie is really cooking there, only time will tell...
We need a User Generated Content FPS Platform that lets the community build whatever they want in a FPS game. Take Halo Forge and Battlefield Portal then fuse them together.
Throw in a map editor, weapon skin editor, character creation, ect..
Gamers are an untapped potential for future innovations of the FPS genre. Just give us the tools in a Forge like UI and we'll build the future.
Might as well just learn game development. Could start with a sample project and use the engines tools to do all of that stuff.
As a longtime Marathon fan, I think I can speak for the majority when I say we don’t want an extraction shooter. We want Apotheosis X on steroids
Nah I want extraction shooter
wow, 14 secods in and already a blatant wrong statement.
Bungie's first First person Shooter wasn't, Marathon. It was Pathway into Darkness. facepalm.
Marathon was the first PC I ever got with my own money. I got sad that they destroyed my childhood.
Bungie will do anything but work on D2 lol
You meant the game they've been working on for the past 10 years? Yeah it's time they stop beating a dead horse and do something interesting for a change
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 Nah i mean the one project they have that actually makes them money. They have consistently pumped millions into projects that amount to nothing, all while still laying off hundreds of staff.
@@Jack-ip9yi Marathon will make them money. They're like any other game studio that sells a game, and then makes the rest of their money through microtransactions. Destiny already made money with their expansions, and now they're investing time and money into Marathon so they can get a second income of money in the future.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 they basically have the one game that is funding their studio on life support and it's gotten so bad that it's actually dying. This season is so bad I think it might kill Destiny.
@@xx_amongus_xx6987 doubtful. They completely tarnished their pvp reputation with the D2 playerbase by abandoning them for a new cash grab opportunity.
The enemy with the red cloak and green orb in the middle looks almost identical to one of the chest pieces for the warlock in destiny 2 3:09
I’m excited to see marathon. The art is amazing and the gameplay seems enticing to me
Marathon is my favourite game of all time. It ain’t even close. So much nostalgia for me
The new Marathon looks pretty crummy tbh. Like the f2p shooters you see on steam.
I do like the aesthetic of what Bungie has shown so far. I just hope Sony doesn’t fumble it by trying to squeeze every cent out of it. Likewise, I hope the passion/vision of its dev team didn’t get muddled by the layoffs.
2:30 - Incorrect. In most of my earlier lan parties we never setup a router in our lan space since most of my friends didn't even have internet.
We just had a 24 port network switch, all pc's would just get assigned a manual IP and we were off playing.
Let me guess only trios no solo.
Nobody has that many friends...
The enemies have on the wyrmgaurd gear that warlock have as an ornament for the chest piece
Fact check:
(0:10) actually, wrong. pathways into darkness was bungie's first FPS game.
(0:41) there are many cases of lesser known franchises/games getting reboots. for example: rise of the triad 2013.
(1:00) these are SPRITES. 2d SPRITES. using PIXELS. Voxels are 3d.
(1:45) That is untrue. it was faux 3d just like doom, but used little gimmicks to give the ILLUSION of a multilayered 3d space.
(5:50) Halo was originally connected with the marathon franchise (just like every previous Bungie game) but Microsoft owned the rights to halo and Bungie wanted out.
(7:50) Like I said, every bungie game is connected in someway canonically.
I remember Marathon but didn't have a Mac so I never played it. I only learned about it's deep lore from watching MandaloreGaming's videos about it. I've never played a HALO or Destiny game. I do love the way that new Marathon game looks. It's gorgeous, but I won't play it either because my pc won't be able to run it. The only Bungie games I've played is Myth II: Soulblighter and the demo for Oni. They were really cool.
I played all three Marathon games in grad school and also released a homemade set of levels that at least some people liked.
I have yet to play an extraction shooter that felt like it fully fleshed out the idea of extraction shooting. Cool loot, fun battles, fun pvm and pvp elements, and rare items and stuff to unlock. Most of these extraction shooters being released people are trashing on, are just dogshit games themselves, the idea of extraction shooters isn't bad. The implementation and every version i've played is fairly boring and bad though. Maybe make a game that isn't dogshit, and it won't be dogshit? Wild premise I know.
Hunt Showdown looks good.
@@Dethmeister good game, but most everything in the game handles really clunky (character movement, aiming, etc).
@@bwhere45 They did something with the aiming. A new option to choose between the original crosshair placement and a centered crosshair.
@@Dethmeister I have 42 Hours playtime on hunt atm, I'd say it is one of the better ones, but my issue with hunt is how slow the PvP gameplay is, how long the load times are between games/finding teams, and how they dont have maps full of people for some modes. Finding a person takes forever sometimes and it just can feel extremely boring.
This was the first FPS i played on the family Mac, and some creepy pyramid game.
No. I in fact knew that marathon was bungies first fps. Thanks, Mandalor.
okay i need help here guys, everyone keeps saying the extraction shooter genre is over saturated but too my knowledge there are really only 2 well know played or received extraction shooters, that being HUNT SHOWDOWN and ESCAPE FROM TARKOV. can someone clue me into the other ones that make this market over saturated because where i stand there are only really 2, no ?
Correction: *Pathways Into Darkness* is Bungie’s first FPS game.
Idk how successful this reboot is gonna be but i have a bad feeling for bungie to reboot such an old title as a trend chasing extraction shooter instead of going the classic halo formula with a strong Campaign and fun Multiplayer with vast earnable customization or the destiny looter shooter route or heck even mixing em in the middle of those two ip would probably be more successful then trend chasing.
Marathon is a huge risk even more when you factor the current issues with Bungie and its upper management.
correct me if i'm wrong but didn't Duke Nukem 3D also use a raycaster just like Doom and faked upwards and downwards camera movement with a clever trick?
The enemy at the 20 second mark is wearing a robe that the warlocks from Destiny 2 can get...nice😂
We have entered the Era of Nostalgia "Rebuilds".
I actually think Marathon makes for a great setting for an extraction shooter, the potential is definitely there. Of course, the real problem isn't that the genre is "over saturated," it's that there hasn't been a single AAA that has shown they understand what makes extraction shooters compelling, and everything I've heard so far about the new Marathon tells me that Bungie doesn't get it either.
If I hear PvPvE one more damn time...
because bungie is a failing company and cant come up with a new idea so they are try to revive an old ip no one cares about back when they were a real game company. and wow surprising, an extraction hero shooter.. we don't have enough of those..
Will marathon have a story? Halo was primarily a story-driven game with multiplayer
Marathon should’ve been bungie attempt at the new doom style games
Destiny style weapons with lootable parts and customization would be incredible, but hero's/classes? No thanks. Asking for balancing nightmares and it takes away from the feeling of separating yourself from the pack by LOOTING and extracting with rare loot that gives you the power over your enemies. Destiny built some solid characters and had some amazing moments and storytelling, praying Bungie can revive that feeling, but won't be surprised when they fail epically.
If Bungie were just going to remaster the original trilogy i would be interested But it looks like they are going to take a cool shooter, throw in cash shops, arena pvp bullshit and DEI garbage. all that is wrong with modern gaming and stuff it up. Count me out
I really hate that Bungie is wasting the Marathon I.P. on a trend chasing multiplayer game instead of a true-to-form single player focused game.
Had no idea what marathon was, born in 97. Doubt the kids know either.
This is wild that they’re putting so many chips into an extraction shooter. Especially seeing how all bungie fans are playing Destiny 2 right now so they won’t get a crazy amount of that playerbase because destiny players don’t want an extraction game for the most part.
Just who are they making this for?
4 the Stocks and all the people the shareholders swear would want a game like this (they will fail big time)
You're asking the right questions, the problem is most of these big corporations will only fund what they think will be the next Fortnite. It's just hilarious that every new game trying to be the next Fortnite fails spectacularly. With a few exceptions. But I have zero interest in Marathon, or any other pvp based game.
I remember getting motion sickness from this game
extraction shooter/ battle royale NEVER will combine with this game...
this game is gonna be like frank herbert rising from his grave to write a new dune book that only exists to copy twilight.
4:00 -- There's no auto-aim in Marathon actually
I was excited when i saw they were making a new Marathon expecting it to get the Doom 2016/Eternal treatment, then i saw it was nothing like Marathon at all and stopped caring about it immediately. If this was a kick ass reimagining of the old Marathon games with an upgraded arena style multiplayer I'd be hyped, but I don't give a shit about extraction shooters so I'm out.
Ive been very excited for this game
Marathon Durandale was my favorite. Loved these games back in the mid 90s
I grew up on the original Doom, Wolfenstein, Heretic, and Duke Nuke’m but I’ve never heard of Marathon.
probably because it's a Mac only game. We must be similar age, and I too had never heard of Marathon prior to learning that Bungie was making the game because I play Destiny 2
Extraction shooters already died, people just forgot to tell the devs.
Don’t think so they all just missing that intensity that a br has when it comes to the final circle
@HM-ky6xp I'd say recent gaming trends and numbers cement it tbh. Take the most hyped extraction shooter to date being Grey Zone Warfare, it was plastered everywhere along with sponsors, streams and hype from every UA-cam channel under the sun... it now has a peak of 1000 players daily.
Let's take something even more popular with Call of Duty, a game with ravenous fans and a reputation for accepting anything thrown at them. MW3 has 200k peak users daily and yet DMZ has an active showing of just 2k players daily... that's 1% of the playerbase....
Take Escape From Tarkov as another example, a game many herald as the epitome of extraction shooters which provides a far more tense environment throughout an entire match, than a final circle does in any Battle Royale... it has 24k players daily and has an average view count of 3k on Twitch.
The extraction shooter fad is dead and has been for awhile, people may show initial interest for the first few weeks and that's about it. Imo it's a good thing it's dead, it never evolved or progressed in meaningful ways and any relevancy it had deserved to die out.
@@geddybear9108 Tarkov and Hunt were designed for it and have their stable niche. All others were shoehorned into it and their audience slowly rejected them. A single game mode can't support a game forever. Custom maps/modes of Half Life, Halo, Warcraft 3 and some other meanwhile were turned into whole separate games by developers, who stole the ideas from creative players. And whom now are afraid to create such solid independent sandboxes anymore.
@TheArklyte GZW was built from the ground up for it, so was arena breakout despite being free and seeing huge interest on launch has a peak of 3k players.
It doesn't matter if a mode is integrated into a game or not that depends on its success. CoD Zombies, Resident Evil Mercenaries mode, Gwent from The Witcher, Horde Mode in Gears of War, Fortnite (yes Fortnite was a side mode) there are countless that have attracted and kept players attentions because they were done right.
Wether it be a side mode or ground up it doesn't matter when the genre is dead and doesn't have any interest to be taken.
@@geddybear9108 I think making extractions limited and time based through out the map would make an extraction shooter more intense once they’ve been used no one else can use them and then have something called the final extraction that spawns in and you’d have to fight over it to escape giving you that one last chance to escape if not you die with the map that would give that final circle br type intensity that all extraction shooters are missing , plus having the same idea as hunt where you all have the same objective meaning the monsters that you’d have to find and kill and then wait til completion is 100% also making them you’re only means of profit to buy weapons, perks in the market etc
Most extractions are walking simulators where you go on for literally nothing I think there’s so much more that can be done with them like the ways i just explained
All I see is the T'au Empire Logo. 😂
IMO its bungie, the name is known for halo and destiny, two major gaming franchisees. they will get players, no matter what the game is. If the game is bad i could see it being the end of bungie as we know it. Both destiny games had pretty shaky launches, and it took time to get them to a place that people enjoyed, but they were still fun games to play. If this game fails, i don't see buingie bouncing back. They already got sony up their asses, and can't really afford another fuck up.
Whenever something gets announced and turns out to be an extraction only shooter, I get so disappointed. Hasn't the extraction shooter craze completely died? The market is so oversaturated and exhausted. As much as I have loved their past franchises, I can't get behind this one. I want to blame Sony, but this has probably been in development since before Sony acquired them. They probably started a few years ago when the market for extraction shooters was big and needing competition, but with how long it's taken them, the genre has fallen off. Oversaturated and not enjoyable for a vast majority of gamers who do not like the pace and consequences of extraction shooters, it's alienating a huge amount of potential players. It's probably going to fail. A near 30 year old IP that is older than most of it's target audience isn't going to give it any leverage, just look at how the extraction shooters with Call of Duty and Battlefield behind their names failed spectacularly. I hate to say it, but then limiting this to just an extraction shooter is going to hurt it's chance of success, especially when Bungie's previous franchises have excelled at multifaceted experiences. Destiny is a prime example, having everything from a massive amount of single player content, to multiplayer cooperative content, MMO style cooperative raids and dungeons, and a huge PVP side of the game completely separate from the rest, many players often only playing PVE or PVP and rarely touching the other. Bungie is not going to get a Halo or Destiny level of success from Marathon. It's doomed from the start :(
So it IS safe to say that every gamer on the planet knows about the Halo franchise, you will not be harmed, but it is probably not correct since Halo is not popular in Asia.
Apotheosis X in the thumbnail is the only reason I clicked
I want marathon but people don’t know about it and thus don’t care
It’s not going to be anything like the old game.
This one has nothing to do with Marathon. And likely with old Bungie. Have there been anybody from old Bungie left, who hasn't yet retired?
New to me. Never heard of it.
"extraction shooter" ....and I'm out
WRONG! It was Pathways into Darkness.
It has tau logos? From 40k
Yay another boring extraction shooter.
Why is extraction shooters the norm like how battle royales are now?
Well I’m out. I don’t do extraction shooters. The game industry really needs some story shooters again.
I think a new destiny would be sick but they need to do something new with it or a complete refresh all around. I miss the destiny 1 days. So many good times I want those times back but destiny 2 was just a copy and paste and i got burnt out.
6:04 that's actually the Forerunner's symbol for "Reclaimer" 🤓☝
Another DOA game , They should of made D3
0% of the Bungie that made Marathon work at Bungie today. It was hollowed out by activision long long ago.
Why turn Marathon into an Extraction? No reason.
Its just mining nostalgia.
Halo is more Extraction. You could be a criminal running thru New Mombassa, weaving between Elites vs Brutes vs Cops / ODSTs
marathon was in fact NOT bungies first fps
I was excited at first, cause I loved og marathon. Then I tried destiny 2. I will not be trying marathon
Marathon will be a massive failure and it will be the end of Bungie. I can tell, their "heroes" aren't even heroes, they're things I can't say on youtube. The same crap Concord got called out for. They deserve it too, for what they did to Destiny. Instead of creating a Destiny 3, or properly supporting their only title bringin in any money, lets create Marathon! Yeah, that game is gonna make a tooooon of money. Can you sense my sarcasm? So, goodbye Bungie, I won't miss you.