that would be cool or maybe even part of his moveset in teamfights? imagine u go to ur attack stance, use the whistle and it gives u something or dbuffs enemies.. anything!
Exactly, and I think the best way to incorporate that would be using his currently obsolete Hunter Stance. By removing his ability to block and parry, he gets bleed on all attacks, and can move/dodge faster. But instead all we got was a single move in the Hunter Stance, making it extremely predictable and utterly useless. The single ability we got is easily parried. At the bare minimum I wish that lunge attack had hyper armor, because it's also easy to punish.
@@SoulsPro Yeah I made my previous comment when he first dropped, and I didn't realize how annoying he is to fight against. His lights have nearly unpredictable timing, and his heavy attacks have hyper armor. Adding bleed into that mix would be a disaster, he needs a nerf right now, not a buff.
I mean there are people who mainly play duel and brawl and feats are irrelevant. If the heros gameplay sucks we shouldnt let that slide just because he has creative feats.
@@ungratefulingrate1268Kensei has a lot of options. While they're usually kinda bad, it's still an option that can catch people off guard. Highlander is the only character with a good duality with two stances that no other two stance hero has. His defensive stance gives good defense options (CC, hyperarmor combo lights and heavies and dodge attack) while his offensive stance has great offense options (raw heavy that can be soft feinted into a kick, grab, or both in that order. A kick that confirms great damage. Fast recovery and extremely fast dodges with quick recoveries. Enhanced lights to keep on the pressure. An emote that can force a reaction.)
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
I mean i might play him , i sort of find it fun but idk , When i saw the stance i was thinking "Ok , here we go , some crazy shit is gonna happen" Then after knowing it was that one attack , i was sort of surprised , so the whole "stalker" thing is just his feats? imagine if instead of the invis feat we got the death whistle as a feat Also why does it feel like the only part of the For Honor dev team that can do their job right is the art and design team?
I think the character is cool, I don’t really mind his moveset. However, what I was hoping for and kind of expected from him was an assassin/bleed character with Berserker like soft feints that would do bleed damage. And that idea alone is entirely better than what this guy has. I have no idea who is pushing these hero designs, but they’ve clearly run dry of ideas. I haven’t enjoyed any of the new heroes they’ve released since Gryphon but atp it feels justified.
@@utronpool506 I actually am only level 2 on Gryphon lmao. I just thought he was cool, still I didn’t really like his moveset so I never played him til his recent hero fest actually lmao
@@Juntouif you like gryphon or any other character just play them, what other people think doesn't matter. What does matter though is berzerker doesn't have soft feints, besides the Dodge out of opening heavy, which is his only soft feint. Soft feints are when you can input another option during your heavy, without the need to feint first with the feint button so circle on ps or b on Xbox.
@@NoNamesAreAllowed What I mean is how he’s able to hard feint heavies into a hyper armored light or a HA heavy. It’s not exactly a soft feint but it’s pretty much the same thing aside from one input
I like how most youtubers do try to sugarcoat new heroes beacause you know, he's a new hero but my man says everything that kinda needs to be said. Like how the Ocelot's gameplay is boring beacause he plays like everybody else, that is respectable. Makes you think about it, even if just for a lil bit
Cuz most of them are almost "paid" to say so. Why do you think Sland has never got an access to the testing server to play a new hero before release and make a vid about it?
I was also hella disappointed with the move-set, I was really hoping for something unique to play with this time. The only somewhat unique character that they’ve added recently was Afeera but she still took like an 30 minutes to master
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
@@BadgerSaidSo it's such a shame this hero doesn't have bleed gimmick. I remember when people argued what it's going to be, maybe poison or bleed, now we know It's neither of this, just basic bish character...
Oh, and nerf that damn double bash damage. No reason it should deal 32 damage. Give Shugoki the damn double bash! Headbutt into a backhand. This dude doesn't need that much dmg on a bash that fast.
@@BadgerSaidSo I can't imagine the situation other than offscreen to get hit by that finisher bash. Shit is so easy to dodge, It's impossible to actually get hit if you fight and see it, really. And yea, great idea, give shugoki another bash, because his bash isn't beyond safety 50/50 unless you expect it and dodge/gb accordingly
I feel like they designed this character exactly for dominion, or breach. I feel like they didn’t put any effort into making him unique, whereas it all went into making his tier one feat busted so everyone would buy him exclusively for that. When we saw the hero reveal trailer, I looked at him and caught on to the whole hunting thing, I thought it would be really cool to have like a shaman-esque bleed character, where once you’re bled by the ocelatl, he gains things from it, and it becomes this type of aggressive huntsmanship where he either kills you, or dies. Looking at him makes me feel threatened, he feels like the type of character that would pick you out in a crowd and hunt you down, stopping at nothing until he found you. And instead for honor gave us another generic moveset and call it unique because it has a bad sifu’s poise.
Honestly they wanna preach about how amazing the animations are and how hard they worked on them they could have at least just added a basic deflect to give the animation team a even better chance to show their amazing animations
The thing i would do is have him the ability to cancel recoveries with causing himself a bleed proc by slashing himself with the spear. This would give him a buff while he has bleed on that would grant him stronger attacks and better chains. Perhaps even unlocking moves out of prowler. Either that or giving him ability to the hyper armour. I am personally not a fan of current prowler stance, and i would rather that have hyperarmour then the zone
I can see why they didn't have him do bleed damage cause 1 his first feat, 2 his 4th feat he would have been busted glad they made what he is right now
That's the main reason I stopped playing for honor, characters like this where you fight against them and its like playing a game of poker with these bashes and 50/50s. There's no new mechanics being added, unblockables are everywhere, every character has a dodge attack, the characters just feel all the same... The devs have NO idea what players want in this game.
Glad a content creator is being honest about this. Bro I had soooooo many theories about his moveset. Funny enough, me and a friend were debating what weapons he'd have and he actually has both of the weapons we each wanted him to have individually. So I said, if you were willing to give him 2 weapons, why is Medjay a character? Instead of stance swapping, a weapon swapping hero would be fire! His whole moveset is a flop and his feats are goofy. These devs have been really disappointing lately man. That Lawbringer rework was a massive L too. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh why do I still love this game for its potential instead of its actual content 😤😤😤
Personally I don’t really care as i just adore the design, and i thiink he is fun. I think medjay is very bland as well yet for some reason for me he’s really fun to play.
I thought of a second move for the Stalker Stance where you press gaurdbreak and its an unblockable rush down where you grab the enemy and you can either press gaurdbreak again to just throw them far away to isolate someone in a team fight or you can press light attack to impale them with your spear, which will do base damage and bleed but once the spear is in you can either do nothing and the Ocelotl will kick the enemy away from him as he pulls the spear back out giving more bleed to the enemy, or press heavy and you can hack your heavy weapon into the enemy and like Nuxias finisher heavies it will pull the enemy in the direction your heavy was going and you get a follow up attack (the attack is guranteed if you wall splat the enemy) and it's the Stalker Stance heavy attack but you cannot chain from it, you both reset to neutral after that.
I think the issue is that it really seems like they only make heroes for Dominion since it's the most played mode. Interesting feats take priority over interesting movesets. Pirate, Medjay, Afeera to an extent, and Ocelotl all have pretty standard movesets, but all of them have out there, unique feats that are unlike anything on most other heroes. Sometimes it feels like this game is becoming medieval Overwatch.
one thing they could have done with his tier 4 feat instead would be similar to the feat Scout, but instead of a de-buff, the enemy gets revealed for a whole minute, but if the Ozelotl gets killed within that 1 minute, he goes into his ghost form, and therefrom can use his pounce stance to jump on an oponent, and say it does 50 dmg, if he gets that complete pounce, he gets and instant revive with full health. but if he doesnt die, or gets interrupted, the effect only revealed for 1 minute. would give his stance some more use, and we would really get the fear of the Death whiste scream.
They spent an hour or a bit less just talking and talking about the animations. They don't understand that the main reason why people were complaining about reused animations is NOT that they are reused, but because evey "new" hero brings nothing new and the cherry on top are reused animations, so they are not really the main problem but an addition
I agree with a lot of points you made. I think that throat cut bash should definitely apply bleed & if you go into prowler stance while your opponent is bleeding then that’s when u should get hyper armor on your chain attacks & the forward jump heavy.
2:37 it’s not hold heavy, it’s down on the right joy stick(like nobushi) It also counts as a dodge. And I actually like the hunt stance you could catch people off guard.
@@captain3413if It does work like nobu with the recovery cancel and I frames It could be a pretty cool tool to use sometimes. Does this count as Copium? Probably, but ah well.
I also was disappointed when watching the gameplay reveal and immediately came up with mechanics and gimmicks to make him different to the other characters. Dodge attack idea: make it to where he can only do a left light dodge attack and only the left with his spear being on his left hand, the same with his club but it’s a heavy dodge attack, and a forward dodge zone attack (because he uses both weapons in his zone attack) that not only hits the opponent in front of him, but around him because it’s a zone. I don’t know if this sounds too complicated or overpowered but I just want to give him something that no one else has Edit: I wasn’t clear about the heavy dodge attack after reading this. Ocelotls heavy attacks consist with his club on his right hand, so he can only do right dodge heavies with said club. Just like his spear on his left hand with only doing a left dodge light attack
Thats why I love Slanderous,he isnt distracted by pretty animations and cool aesthetics,he looks at the gameplay elements and says the problems with the characters outrighg,great video
When i saw this infinite, i thought that it's Medjay, but damn, he even has unblockable in his HA, and i understood again, that dev team uses HA like a band-aid to everything (except lawbro).
Jezz i don't understand how people can hate a game they like so much. Like the prowler stance thing i agree, but at the same time, look at this games track record. We literally just got a character that had almost everything in it, and that was a problem. Now this one has a little less just to be safe, and is a bit more balanced, and thats a problem too. Stuff like this really makes me feel for the devs because im really starting to think that they might be making characters in a way that pisses the least amount of people off. Because it's obvious they can't make them happy.
All I want is: Two forwards dodge attacks, one is unblockable and heavy and uses the right handed weapon to deal heavy damage but it's super slow like highlanded dodge forward, does only like 20 damage but does insane bleed. The other uses the spear to pin them briefly, very low damage, decent bleed, but is a cool, fast combo starter that's honestly all he needs
One subtle change I'd make that I think would make a huge difference to this character would be to keep the infinite combo stuff but add a mechanic kinda like nuxias traps but instead of traps it makes that given heavy attack a finisher but what the ocelelotl does is tear the club backwards and forwards in a sawing motion once or twice to incorporate the bleed damage to his kit, I think that would be a subtle change but I think it would be really cool and just add so much more character to his moveset
i too was frustrated when i heared about how much of an afterthought his stance was and how he has 0 bleed in his kit. it was the one think i expected..
I came up with the exact same opinion of him when i first saw him in action, i was super scared i was the only one who saw it. Really good and really important video.
Ocelotl is just another two-hit + bash hybrid like the last 3 years of heroes but with some additional property to make pseudo-infinites available. He can do the same move twice to go from opener to finisher, or chain to finisher, meaning it may not be possible to bash into chain bash into finisher bash and instead it'll be bash into finisher bash.
If you think about it, Zhanhu was the last hero to bring something unique to the game. He had the unblockable lights, and he was Ubisoft's first go at a proper 'dodge cancels' hero. Warmonger was just a different Warden, she didn't do anything that nobody else did. Gryphon was just a better version of Valkyrie at the time Kyoshin is literally weaker black prior Pirate was just all the stuff that was "meta" at the time, crammed into one hero Medjay was a less interesting Highlander Afeera is exactly the same as Pirate, just a "what is meta right now" hero. And Ocelotl is a less interesting Medjay, who himself is a less interesting Highlander, so that makes Ocelol a less interesting less interesting version of an existing hero. It has been 4 years since we last had a new hero
honestly, my personal main hate towards the game is the players Sure, the devs aren't perfect, they let things slide that can be exploited But the community are the ones who tend to.. well, exploit it, a lot, and be very mean while doing that
When i first saw the trailer i was surprised they gave him spear instead of shield. There was a lot of potential to this hero. They could have gave him like 3 stances each with its unique moves. The spear stance for fast lights and wide sweeping attacks. A club stance for enhanced lights and unblockables and a Hunter stance where he has increased movespeed, fast chase and dogdes with more i frames than normal. The hunter stance would be for hunting and chasing with all the increased mobility.
Bro every time a new hero comes out I dread watching a slanderous video cuz I know he’s gonna bring up good points but I also know it’s gonna kill all my hype for a hero
Well For Honor started prioritizing competitive play over game play once they began nerfing move sets and straight up removing certain mechanics from characters that were fun in the name of "balancing". My best interaction of FH was in its first year when most characters were intact. After that they completely destroyed the identities of every character.🤷♂️
I miss Y1 too man, I missed being able to react to what you and anyone else thought was skillful and just laugh while no one could react to what I was doing. I miss one sided Beatdowns, but maybe it’ll come back again thanks to performance mode. I really wanna take a fat shit on some of these so called “mains.” Lol
To be fair the only way to keep fh balance is for every character to have a similar move set just make sure they have one thing diff from another character but its still unbalanced because some heros dont have recovery some do and some have insane recovery
Bro thank you honestly you brought up a lot of the concerns i have with him and i paid to get him, i was so excited and i feel like im playin a shitty hw copy of like five heroes. I love the game but they really disappointed on what could’ve been a monumental character
I know I called you out on a previous community post. I agree with some of the things you've said here. I agree that the Hunter's Stance is lacking, if they added 2 or 3 attacks more I wouldn't take issue with it. That said, if it turns out it can be recovery cancelled, I can see it becoming pretty strong. Also one thing I think you should have mentioned is that entering the stance does have I-frames, so you can probably use the stance heavy as a pseudo-dodge attack. Now on to where I disagree with. Your desire for new mechanics is understandable, but it ignores a major factor. Our game is losing players and we need new ones bad. The game is already unpalatable to a lot of potential newcomers, and having more complex mechanics will just end up making the game unpalatable to more people. It's an unfortunate reality where people would rather play games that can be understood within the span of a few minutes, but that's how it is. I would love more mechanical depth like you do, but the possible consequences of it don't bode well. A necessary evil it is. Another thing I disagree with is your idea of characters feeling a bit same-y. I can see where you're coming from on a surface level, but I feel like you're only seeing things in a vacuum and not within the context of a fight. I don't want to comb over every hero at once, but if someone wants me to tell them I can, I'll go with the Outlanders for now. Pirate - She gets access to a short Pinning move if a Heavy she throws is whiffed/block, and if she whiffs that move, she can Dodge cancel out of it. I think people often undersell the thinking you need to do with her in regards to Walk The Plank. The move is rather unreliable if you don't have frame advantage, as soft feint to GB will just get beaten by a Dodge Attack. So you have to do it after a Zone or Heavy without shooting your pistol, sacrificing Damage for pressure. Medjay - Ignoring how powerful he is in 4s. The stance switching can open up a lot of avenues for throwing off your opponent's timing. You can start a combo and staff mode, then mid combo, stance switch into a different attack with a different speed/timing to throw people off. Medjay has a surprising amount of depth if you incorporate his fast Stance switches he gets after an attack. Afeera - She basically has a spin on Shinobi's flip that sacrifices I-frames and distance for control. Plus her flips reset her neutral and gives her access to a new bash. Let's not forget her feintable bash from neutral, while other characters have similar bashes... they are Chargable bashes, hers are not. Also... all her heavies are different based on direction, both neutral and finishers. I'm not trying to say the devs are perfect, but I don't think you give them enough credit Slanderous. And like I said at the beginning, I can name something unique each character has. I challenge any one of you to name a character and I'll tell you.
If I had anything to say about it, I'd make it to where bashes deal bleed damage rather than direct, and whilst your opponent is bleeding you gain recovery cancels into your stalker stance and while in stalker stance you gain access to a bash, light and heavy. Idk what they'd do, maybe keep the leaping heavy but it is armored while they're bleeding, the light could be an attack that lets you dash forward quickly like a dodge forward attack, but instead of solely being from the top, you can choose the direction, and then maybe a slow but feintable pinning stab that leads into an input like peacekeepers guardbreak that allows you to saw at your opponent to clear the bleed and deal direct damage. Ideas off the top of my head so def not perfect but just some things I thought of
I was going to ask, but I assume Ocelotl won't be too different to verse compared to other dash unblockable hyperarmor characters, will he? Ig he has the one wacky tier 1 atleast
“Intricacy of hero move sets” ah yes, right and left trigger, right bumper, bash button, dodge button. (Idk pc controls) So intricate. I’m convinced Slanderous just wants to play devils advocate..
2:15 “weapons aren’t heavy either” how about you hold something up for more than 30 minutes see how long you can swing it around with precision. In the beginning you said gameplay is the most important aspect and everything else is just “icing on the cake” then go on to talk trash about the “realism”
Personally I’m pretty sure the actual order of combos you do is going to be important for maximizing damage - like afeera with her 3 different heavy finishers. Pretty sure they do different damage, with just three it’s really only a matter of preference/versatility. I usually go for the wall spat heavy even if there’s no wall & then top undodgable if enemy is dodge heavy. Sometimes use the unblockable for all-guard heroes.
Depending on how ocelotel actually does in a chaotic setting(4v4s, toxic 1v1s) maybe could use a complete rework basically immediately/ possibilities of cooler mechanics 4 sure
“Master kensei and 90% of the heroes will feel shallow” no you’re just not creative. Most heroes don’t need to be as “complicated” as kensei to be well-rounded, or not “shallow.” I started out maining kensei, so I’m personally bored of soft feinting almost everything. AND THATS WHY IM A MONKEY BRAIN GRYPHON NOW. Hitting that big ass,slamming down top heavy finisher will always provide me 100 times more dopamine than the work needed to put in for kenseis top finisher. Going back to your little q&a Your last answer about “it’s been 7 years” just because you have the capacity and knowledge to do so doesn’t mean others can. For honor(Ubisoft) making simple heroes seem “powerful” so new players not only WANT to play them but more than likely will(pay for them from release) You complaining essentially about “being too good” sounds like you’re just bored with yourself. Set challenges for yourself, if you’re so good then go and win 10 breach matches in a row back to back(nobody would do this because fuck breach but it also being so time consuming) another challenge “don’t take any damage.”(impossible no matter what level your at)
Personally i love the new hero and his feats. Did i expect more with his combat? Yes but was i disappointed? Not so much, i like his style but i did expect more (i did like ur idea about the final bash doing bleed damage as well as more moves on the prowler stance....so after watching ur video i actually am disappointed........but ill still main him)
I agree. When I saw the cgi trailer I got excited that maybe we would have a character with 2 different weapons that he can switch between for 2 completely different stances. Maybe the spear for dueling or stalking, and the club for skirmishing or crowd control. As they are obsidian weapons it would’ve been cool if they caused bleed. I would’ve liked to see some historical armor implemented too we haven’t gotten an outlander hero whose armor seems….. feasible aside from Afeera.
Bro you’re so right this character is about as deep as crayon box but you know what. Still have to admit that jaguar garb is truly beautiful I can’t help be appreciate the aesthetic WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT YOURE OPENING point was it shouldn’t matter. Yes. I’m part of the problem it would seem 😂
A neet concept could have been when the enemy is bleeding ocelotl can see them. Maybe some kind of poison that effects vision. Perhaps hunter stance goes invisible using his t1 feat.
Some minor changes I would like for this Hero: No infinite chain L-L (pokes) H-H (unblockable) L-H-H (unblockable) H-L (ads bleeding) Soft faint H opener with bash The hidden stance should have something related to the bleeding like shaman That's It.
As a Mexican I was just SO excited about an Aztec character but now that I see the moveset… yeah. A little bit disappointed. They could’ve done so much with q character wielding a macuahuitl (sword) and tepoztopilli (lance). Specially what you mentioned about bleed. It’s like giving an ancient chainsaw to a dude and it doesn’t bleed people…
Just to clarify, from what I got u can’t bash to unblock, because unblock is the heavy chain finisher. That’s what I understood In the stream, that being said, I think this hero had so much potential and they kinda decided to go with the same stuff we already see in every hero
Imagine him being able to stun with slow attacks from the club, and doing minor bleed with his spear that can stack up to a certain amount, with some soft feints. Would've been great
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
When i saw the stance, it thought that it would be great if the stance also acted like the stealth feat of assassins. Like bro is hunting his prey and is about to ambush it.
I have a huge love-hate relationship with this character, it's what I wanted but at the same time it doesn't meet my expectations, your video is a great way of saying "it's a great character but it doesn't meet my expectations"
I think they did ok The double bash is new The infinite chain that includes feintable bashes and zones offer a ton of variation of combo stings But there are some undeniable flaws: The Prowler stance is very incomplete, it feels like it's there just to say "we got a new stance" but doesn't actually accomplish much in a real fight Baffling lack of bleed effect when the weapon design heavily hinted towards it Looking at the last 3 or so characters released, it feels like Ubisoft's idea of the game is that a hero can only be strong if they got opener bash, chain follow up bash, combo extenders, and at least one move with hyper armor and one with unblockable Oh and 50/50s out the ass, can't forget those Something needs to be done at the core mechanic of the game to fix this
Regarding the special stance not being viable for 1v1s... I get they should balance characters around teamfights, but sometimes it feels as if they just don't care that much for 1v1s
Just find it funny how devs look at weapons and dont research on what that weapon was meant for and just go "ahh fuck it lets just put hyper armour glue and see what sticks"
Sadly the creativity around moveset tools has rapidly taken a stop after the release of Warmonger, that's a fact. Ocelotl though looks fine and fun as hell
I watched the reveale and after the first part where they show the basic stuff and chain i was waiting for something interresting, then they say "And he has this stance" and i was like: ok, ok, another stance hero i actually dont mind. And then he literally has a jump and walks like 5% faster??? wow...
I couldn't agree more. Of course like you said the visual is superb, clearly there are telented artists who worked on the hero. But as for the gameplay itself you hit the spot. The hero is just not super fun to play in my opinion, I wish they went in a direction like Afeera. But I know there are technical limitations and they can't go super over the top. As much as the artists and the coders are talented, they can't push something like a cool new mechanic or a new kind of move into a game that is nearing its end, and if they did that, they would have to rebalance EVERY hero in the roster. That costs a lot of money for Ubi. That being said, I wish we will see something more ''out of the box'' for the next hero. Cheers
I like the idea of an aggressive angry aztec warrior in your face but at the same time I wished they had something new, more complexity as he said it. Wish softfeints were used more often
I hoped that the dead whistle would be a feat that would either make enemies run in fear or apply an armor and attack debuff to the enemies in range 🤔
that would be cool or maybe even part of his moveset in teamfights? imagine u go to ur attack stance, use the whistle and it gives u something or dbuffs enemies.. anything!
@@manithefluffy yeah, they made a big focus on it and this thing ended up being used only in the execution. Bravo.
If he gets scout as an alternative tier 4 then that would be cool if he used it to activate the feat
@@EbikiiGemflame That might be cool but lets be honest, who is gonna use that compared to the "GET OVER HERE FREE GB" feat.
@@triplekxi_tk6047 sometimes we like a challenge
He should’ve been a bleed focused character. The Aztecs literally had blood rituals! It would fit the theme.
Exactly, and I think the best way to incorporate that would be using his currently obsolete Hunter Stance. By removing his ability to block and parry, he gets bleed on all attacks, and can move/dodge faster. But instead all we got was a single move in the Hunter Stance, making it extremely predictable and utterly useless. The single ability we got is easily parried. At the bare minimum I wish that lunge attack had hyper armor, because it's also easy to punish.
But just think if would have had bleed plus with his 4th feat that has a free gb and that does bleed would have been busted than what he is right now
@@SoulsPro Yeah I made my previous comment when he first dropped, and I didn't realize how annoying he is to fight against. His lights have nearly unpredictable timing, and his heavy attacks have hyper armor. Adding bleed into that mix would be a disaster, he needs a nerf right now, not a buff.
@@SoulsPro True, but then they’d have to balance around that; but, then he would still be a more unique character.
@@masonthewalker he's unique the. Way they made him
The creativity of the feats is what we need in the core character design.
I really hope they rework everyone's feats to be more unique and fun.
Amen
For real bro, i had the thought that at this point the main selling point of new characters are feats
I mean there are people who mainly play duel and brawl and feats are irrelevant. If the heros gameplay sucks we shouldnt let that slide just because he has creative feats.
@@erikfaru9780 I'm pretty sure he means the core gameplay should be *as* creative as the feats
You just made me realize why I love Kensei and highlander so much i thought it was a coincidence but no its because they have depth to their move list
Been saying this for 2 years now
@@el_slenderI’m so bad at kensei D:
Can you tell me why they have depth? I'm not good at the game, I'm trying to find fun heros to play.
@@ungratefulingrate1268Kensei has a lot of options. While they're usually kinda bad, it's still an option that can catch people off guard. Highlander is the only character with a good duality with two stances that no other two stance hero has. His defensive stance gives good defense options (CC, hyperarmor combo lights and heavies and dodge attack) while his offensive stance has great offense options (raw heavy that can be soft feinted into a kick, grab, or both in that order. A kick that confirms great damage. Fast recovery and extremely fast dodges with quick recoveries. Enhanced lights to keep on the pressure. An emote that can force a reaction.)
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
Ocelot should have had a sleep dart feat, because it would be inline of putting me to sleep
I was thinking the same thing but the dart would cause you to drain stamina until your OOS and then apply a constant stun affect.
I mean i might play him , i sort of find it fun but idk , When i saw the stance i was thinking "Ok , here we go , some crazy shit is gonna happen" Then after knowing it was that one attack , i was sort of surprised , so the whole "stalker" thing is just his feats? imagine if instead of the invis feat we got the death whistle as a feat
Also why does it feel like the only part of the For Honor dev team that can do their job right is the art and design team?
The fact that he stalks in that stance and ambushes from it semi makes this comment redundant
@@DrakenhofTemplars you could sort of ambush with any hero from outside of vision , an shaman sort of does it even better
Love your take on the state of this Stockholm syndrome simulator. As per usual top tier content. Keep it up my guy.
I think the character is cool, I don’t really mind his moveset. However, what I was hoping for and kind of expected from him was an assassin/bleed character with Berserker like soft feints that would do bleed damage. And that idea alone is entirely better than what this guy has. I have no idea who is pushing these hero designs, but they’ve clearly run dry of ideas. I haven’t enjoyed any of the new heroes they’ve released since Gryphon but atp it feels justified.
Are you a child or the infirm?
Actually question not insult
little bro probably enjoyed Gryphon because he was broken at first lmao
@@utronpool506 I actually am only level 2 on Gryphon lmao. I just thought he was cool, still I didn’t really like his moveset so I never played him til his recent hero fest actually lmao
@@Juntouif you like gryphon or any other character just play them, what other people think doesn't matter. What does matter though is berzerker doesn't have soft feints, besides the Dodge out of opening heavy, which is his only soft feint.
Soft feints are when you can input another option during your heavy, without the need to feint first with the feint button so circle on ps or b on Xbox.
@@NoNamesAreAllowed What I mean is how he’s able to hard feint heavies into a hyper armored light or a HA heavy. It’s not exactly a soft feint but it’s pretty much the same thing aside from one input
I like how most youtubers do try to sugarcoat new heroes beacause you know, he's a new hero but my man says everything that kinda needs to be said.
Like how the Ocelot's gameplay is boring beacause he plays like everybody else, that is respectable.
Makes you think about it, even if just for a lil bit
People just believe everything they hear from their influencers
Cuz most of them are almost "paid" to say so. Why do you think Sland has never got an access to the testing server to play a new hero before release and make a vid about it?
I was also hella disappointed with the move-set, I was really hoping for something unique to play with this time. The only somewhat unique character that they’ve added recently was Afeera but she still took like an 30 minutes to master
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
@@BadgerSaidSo it's such a shame this hero doesn't have bleed gimmick. I remember when people argued what it's going to be, maybe poison or bleed, now we know It's neither of this, just basic bish character...
I think what happened is that they gave afeera like 3 heroes worth of things and now they are out of ideas
Oh, and nerf that damn double bash damage. No reason it should deal 32 damage. Give Shugoki the damn double bash! Headbutt into a backhand. This dude doesn't need that much dmg on a bash that fast.
@@BadgerSaidSo I can't imagine the situation other than offscreen to get hit by that finisher bash. Shit is so easy to dodge, It's impossible to actually get hit if you fight and see it, really. And yea, great idea, give shugoki another bash, because his bash isn't beyond safety 50/50 unless you expect it and dodge/gb accordingly
I feel like they designed this character exactly for dominion, or breach. I feel like they didn’t put any effort into making him unique, whereas it all went into making his tier one feat busted so everyone would buy him exclusively for that. When we saw the hero reveal trailer, I looked at him and caught on to the whole hunting thing, I thought it would be really cool to have like a shaman-esque bleed character, where once you’re bled by the ocelatl, he gains things from it, and it becomes this type of aggressive huntsmanship where he either kills you, or dies. Looking at him makes me feel threatened, he feels like the type of character that would pick you out in a crowd and hunt you down, stopping at nothing until he found you. And instead for honor gave us another generic moveset and call it unique because it has a bad sifu’s poise.
When you look at his feats and his stalker stance, it becomes obvious that he was designed for 4v4 game modes.
Shoulda been an assassin, we could've gotten a cool deflect mechanic at least
Exactly
Honestly they wanna preach about how amazing the animations are and how hard they worked on them they could have at least just added a basic deflect to give the animation team a even better chance to show their amazing animations
The thing i would do is have him the ability to cancel recoveries with causing himself a bleed proc by slashing himself with the spear.
This would give him a buff while he has bleed on that would grant him stronger attacks and better chains. Perhaps even unlocking moves out of prowler. Either that or giving him ability to the hyper armour.
I am personally not a fan of current prowler stance, and i would rather that have hyperarmour then the zone
Imagine the red blood trails cutting through the air instead of average blue, orange, or white trails
I can see why they didn't have him do bleed damage cause 1 his first feat, 2 his 4th feat he would have been busted glad they made what he is right now
,,Overwatch porn animators are doing a better job" my absolute favourite quote from your new hero receal stream
Lol
tbf OW porn animators are fucking godlike. They put big animation companies to shame so thats a VERY high bar, unironically.
That's the main reason I stopped playing for honor, characters like this where you fight against them and its like playing a game of poker with these bashes and 50/50s.
There's no new mechanics being added, unblockables are everywhere, every character has a dodge attack, the characters just feel all the same... The devs have NO idea what players want in this game.
Glad a content creator is being honest about this. Bro I had soooooo many theories about his moveset. Funny enough, me and a friend were debating what weapons he'd have and he actually has both of the weapons we each wanted him to have individually. So I said, if you were willing to give him 2 weapons, why is Medjay a character? Instead of stance swapping, a weapon swapping hero would be fire! His whole moveset is a flop and his feats are goofy. These devs have been really disappointing lately man. That Lawbringer rework was a massive L too. Hhhhhhhhhhhhhh why do I still love this game for its potential instead of its actual content 😤😤😤
Personally I don’t really care as i just adore the design, and i thiink he is fun. I think medjay is very bland as well yet for some reason for me he’s really fun to play.
@@silvanatteveld6637 I agree with you 💯
For everybody that bitched and moaned about Afeera having too large of a kit...this is the result of that...a character with no kit.
Huh??
@@el_slender I feel like I remember a lot of people whining about Afeera having too much, so now ubi makes a character with nothing fun.
@@HeihachiMain You might be thinking of Pirate
I thought of a second move for the Stalker Stance where you press gaurdbreak and its an unblockable rush down where you grab the enemy and you can either press gaurdbreak again to just throw them far away to isolate someone in a team fight or you can press light attack to impale them with your spear, which will do base damage and bleed but once the spear is in you can either do nothing and the Ocelotl will kick the enemy away from him as he pulls the spear back out giving more bleed to the enemy, or press heavy and you can hack your heavy weapon into the enemy and like Nuxias finisher heavies it will pull the enemy in the direction your heavy was going and you get a follow up attack (the attack is guranteed if you wall splat the enemy) and it's the Stalker Stance heavy attack but you cannot chain from it, you both reset to neutral after that.
Literally everything about him is cool except his moveset
Shaman is more Ocelotl than Ocelotl.
I think the issue is that it really seems like they only make heroes for Dominion since it's the most played mode. Interesting feats take priority over interesting movesets. Pirate, Medjay, Afeera to an extent, and Ocelotl all have pretty standard movesets, but all of them have out there, unique feats that are unlike anything on most other heroes.
Sometimes it feels like this game is becoming medieval Overwatch.
one thing they could have done with his tier 4 feat instead would be similar to the feat Scout, but instead of a de-buff, the enemy gets revealed for a whole minute, but if the Ozelotl gets killed within that 1 minute, he goes into his ghost form, and therefrom can use his pounce stance to jump on an oponent, and say it does 50 dmg, if he gets that complete pounce, he gets and instant revive with full health. but if he doesnt die, or gets interrupted, the effect only revealed for 1 minute. would give his stance some more use, and we would really get the fear of the Death whiste scream.
They spent an hour or a bit less just talking and talking about the animations. They don't understand that the main reason why people were complaining about reused animations is NOT that they are reused, but because evey "new" hero brings nothing new and the cherry on top are reused animations, so they are not really the main problem but an addition
I agree with a lot of points you made. I think that throat cut bash should definitely apply bleed & if you go into prowler stance while your opponent is bleeding then that’s when u should get hyper armor on your chain attacks & the forward jump heavy.
My favorite part about this video is the fact that there's two chapters to show off that amazing analogy.
2:37 it’s not hold heavy, it’s down on the right joy stick(like nobushi) It also counts as a dodge. And I actually like the hunt stance you could catch people off guard.
You joking? This stance just gives you a dodge forward attack which almost every hero has nowadays. It's not even unblockable, are you high, bruh
@@captain3413if It does work like nobu with the recovery cancel and I frames It could be a pretty cool tool to use sometimes.
Does this count as Copium?
Probably, but ah well.
The stand attack would just be good with crazy range or damage but just... Its boring
I also was disappointed when watching the gameplay reveal and immediately came up with mechanics and gimmicks to make him different to the other characters. Dodge attack idea: make it to where he can only do a left light dodge attack and only the left with his spear being on his left hand, the same with his club but it’s a heavy dodge attack, and a forward dodge zone attack (because he uses both weapons in his zone attack) that not only hits the opponent in front of him, but around him because it’s a zone. I don’t know if this sounds too complicated or overpowered but I just want to give him something that no one else has
Edit: I wasn’t clear about the heavy dodge attack after reading this. Ocelotls heavy attacks consist with his club on his right hand, so he can only do right dodge heavies with said club. Just like his spear on his left hand with only doing a left dodge light attack
Yeah bro he would have been busted then what he is right now
Thats why I love Slanderous,he isnt distracted by pretty animations and cool aesthetics,he looks at the gameplay elements and says the problems with the characters outrighg,great video
Every patch and update for this game makes me thank God that slanderous isn't a dev on the balancing team
Hear hear
this is the first video of yours I've ever seen and its easily the best take I've ever heard about for honor
When i saw this infinite, i thought that it's Medjay, but damn, he even has unblockable in his HA, and i understood again, that dev team uses HA like a band-aid to everything (except lawbro).
This game needs a modder community
Jezz i don't understand how people can hate a game they like so much. Like the prowler stance thing i agree, but at the same time, look at this games track record. We literally just got a character that had almost everything in it, and that was a problem. Now this one has a little less just to be safe, and is a bit more balanced, and thats a problem too. Stuff like this really makes me feel for the devs because im really starting to think that they might be making characters in a way that pisses the least amount of people off. Because it's obvious they can't make them happy.
They need to stop designing characters to be optimal and design them to be different and unique
All I want is:
Two forwards dodge attacks, one is unblockable and heavy and uses the right handed weapon to deal heavy damage but it's super slow like highlanded dodge forward, does only like 20 damage but does insane bleed. The other uses the spear to pin them briefly, very low damage, decent bleed, but is a cool, fast combo starter
that's honestly all he needs
One subtle change I'd make that I think would make a huge difference to this character would be to keep the infinite combo stuff but add a mechanic kinda like nuxias traps but instead of traps it makes that given heavy attack a finisher but what the ocelelotl does is tear the club backwards and forwards in a sawing motion once or twice to incorporate the bleed damage to his kit, I think that would be a subtle change but I think it would be really cool and just add so much more character to his moveset
Seems as though Ubisoft just uses hyper armor as a crutch to make new characters viable without trying anything new
i too was frustrated when i heared about how much of an afterthought his stance was and how he has 0 bleed in his kit. it was the one think i expected..
I came up with the exact same opinion of him when i first saw him in action, i was super scared i was the only one who saw it.
Really good and really important video.
Ocelotl is just another two-hit + bash hybrid like the last 3 years of heroes but with some additional property to make pseudo-infinites available.
He can do the same move twice to go from opener to finisher, or chain to finisher, meaning it may not be possible to bash into chain bash into finisher bash and instead it'll be bash into finisher bash.
Not even 10 sec in and its already a banger lmao
He doesn’t need bleed and honestly there’s enough of those characters in the game we need something that’s good but not overpowered
If you think about it, Zhanhu was the last hero to bring something unique to the game. He had the unblockable lights, and he was Ubisoft's first go at a proper 'dodge cancels' hero.
Warmonger was just a different Warden, she didn't do anything that nobody else did.
Gryphon was just a better version of Valkyrie at the time
Kyoshin is literally weaker black prior
Pirate was just all the stuff that was "meta" at the time, crammed into one hero
Medjay was a less interesting Highlander
Afeera is exactly the same as Pirate, just a "what is meta right now" hero.
And Ocelotl is a less interesting Medjay, who himself is a less interesting Highlander, so that makes Ocelol a less interesting less interesting version of an existing hero.
It has been 4 years since we last had a new hero
honestly, my personal main hate towards the game is the players
Sure, the devs aren't perfect, they let things slide that can be exploited
But the community are the ones who tend to.. well, exploit it, a lot, and be very mean while doing that
When i first saw the trailer i was surprised they gave him spear instead of shield. There was a lot of potential to this hero. They could have gave him like 3 stances each with its unique moves. The spear stance for fast lights and wide sweeping attacks. A club stance for enhanced lights and unblockables and a Hunter stance where he has increased movespeed, fast chase and dogdes with more i frames than normal. The hunter stance would be for hunting and chasing with all the increased mobility.
He would have been way too op bro he probably would have had a heavy nerf like pirate, I'm glad they made him the way he is right now
No one talks about his armour. He gets 2 SETS OF ARMOUR.
2 SETS WITH 3 RESKINS PER SET. HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE!?!?
I dont know why but i thought you'd be able to switch between the club and spear for a different moveset like medjay
Bro every time a new hero comes out I dread watching a slanderous video cuz I know he’s gonna bring up good points but I also know it’s gonna kill all my hype for a hero
Well For Honor started prioritizing competitive play over game play once they began nerfing move sets and straight up removing certain mechanics from characters that were fun in the name of "balancing". My best interaction of FH was in its first year when most characters were intact. After that they completely destroyed the identities of every character.🤷♂️
I miss Y1 too man, I missed being able to react to what you and anyone else thought was skillful and just laugh while no one could react to what I was doing. I miss one sided Beatdowns, but maybe it’ll come back again thanks to performance mode. I really wanna take a fat shit on some of these so called “mains.” Lol
To be fair the only way to keep fh balance is for every character to have a similar move set just make sure they have one thing diff from another character but its still unbalanced because some heros dont have recovery some do and some have insane recovery
Bro thank you honestly you brought up a lot of the concerns i have with him and i paid to get him, i was so excited and i feel like im playin a shitty hw copy of like five heroes. I love the game but they really disappointed on what could’ve been a monumental character
I know I called you out on a previous community post. I agree with some of the things you've said here.
I agree that the Hunter's Stance is lacking, if they added 2 or 3 attacks more I wouldn't take issue with it. That said, if it turns out it can be recovery cancelled, I can see it becoming pretty strong. Also one thing I think you should have mentioned is that entering the stance does have I-frames, so you can probably use the stance heavy as a pseudo-dodge attack.
Now on to where I disagree with. Your desire for new mechanics is understandable, but it ignores a major factor. Our game is losing players and we need new ones bad. The game is already unpalatable to a lot of potential newcomers, and having more complex mechanics will just end up making the game unpalatable to more people. It's an unfortunate reality where people would rather play games that can be understood within the span of a few minutes, but that's how it is. I would love more mechanical depth like you do, but the possible consequences of it don't bode well. A necessary evil it is.
Another thing I disagree with is your idea of characters feeling a bit same-y. I can see where you're coming from on a surface level, but I feel like you're only seeing things in a vacuum and not within the context of a fight. I don't want to comb over every hero at once, but if someone wants me to tell them I can, I'll go with the Outlanders for now.
Pirate - She gets access to a short Pinning move if a Heavy she throws is whiffed/block, and if she whiffs that move, she can Dodge cancel out of it. I think people often undersell the thinking you need to do with her in regards to Walk The Plank. The move is rather unreliable if you don't have frame advantage, as soft feint to GB will just get beaten by a Dodge Attack. So you have to do it after a Zone or Heavy without shooting your pistol, sacrificing Damage for pressure.
Medjay - Ignoring how powerful he is in 4s. The stance switching can open up a lot of avenues for throwing off your opponent's timing. You can start a combo and staff mode, then mid combo, stance switch into a different attack with a different speed/timing to throw people off. Medjay has a surprising amount of depth if you incorporate his fast Stance switches he gets after an attack.
Afeera - She basically has a spin on Shinobi's flip that sacrifices I-frames and distance for control. Plus her flips reset her neutral and gives her access to a new bash. Let's not forget her feintable bash from neutral, while other characters have similar bashes... they are Chargable bashes, hers are not. Also... all her heavies are different based on direction, both neutral and finishers.
I'm not trying to say the devs are perfect, but I don't think you give them enough credit Slanderous.
And like I said at the beginning, I can name something unique each character has. I challenge any one of you to name a character and I'll tell you.
I thought you covered it perfectly nicely done bro
If I had anything to say about it, I'd make it to where bashes deal bleed damage rather than direct, and whilst your opponent is bleeding you gain recovery cancels into your stalker stance and while in stalker stance you gain access to a bash, light and heavy. Idk what they'd do, maybe keep the leaping heavy but it is armored while they're bleeding, the light could be an attack that lets you dash forward quickly like a dodge forward attack, but instead of solely being from the top, you can choose the direction, and then maybe a slow but feintable pinning stab that leads into an input like peacekeepers guardbreak that allows you to saw at your opponent to clear the bleed and deal direct damage.
Ideas off the top of my head so def not perfect but just some things I thought of
I was going to ask, but I assume Ocelotl won't be too different to verse compared to other dash unblockable hyperarmor characters, will he?
Ig he has the one wacky tier 1 atleast
“Intricacy of hero move sets” ah yes, right and left trigger, right bumper, bash button, dodge button. (Idk pc controls) So intricate. I’m convinced Slanderous just wants to play devils advocate..
2:15 “weapons aren’t heavy either” how about you hold something up for more than 30 minutes see how long you can swing it around with precision. In the beginning you said gameplay is the most important aspect and everything else is just “icing on the cake” then go on to talk trash about the “realism”
Personally I’m pretty sure the actual order of combos you do is going to be important for maximizing damage - like afeera with her 3 different heavy finishers. Pretty sure they do different damage, with just three it’s really only a matter of preference/versatility. I usually go for the wall spat heavy even if there’s no wall & then top undodgable if enemy is dodge heavy. Sometimes use the unblockable for all-guard heroes.
4:20 misconception
Depending on how ocelotel actually does in a chaotic setting(4v4s, toxic 1v1s) maybe could use a complete rework basically immediately/ possibilities of cooler mechanics 4 sure
“Master kensei and 90% of the heroes will feel shallow” no you’re just not creative.
Most heroes don’t need to be as “complicated” as kensei to be well-rounded, or not “shallow.” I started out maining kensei, so I’m personally bored of soft feinting almost everything. AND THATS WHY IM A MONKEY BRAIN GRYPHON NOW.
Hitting that big ass,slamming down top heavy finisher will always provide me 100 times more dopamine than the work needed to put in for kenseis top finisher.
Going back to your little q&a
Your last answer about “it’s been 7 years” just because you have the capacity and knowledge to do so doesn’t mean others can. For honor(Ubisoft) making simple heroes seem “powerful” so new players not only WANT to play them but more than likely will(pay for them from release) You complaining essentially about “being too good” sounds like you’re just bored with yourself. Set challenges for yourself, if you’re so good then go and win 10 breach matches in a row back to back(nobody would do this because fuck breach but it also being so time consuming) another challenge “don’t take any damage.”(impossible no matter what level your at)
Personally i love the new hero and his feats. Did i expect more with his combat? Yes but was i disappointed? Not so much, i like his style but i did expect more (i did like ur idea about the final bash doing bleed damage as well as more moves on the prowler stance....so after watching ur video i actually am disappointed........but ill still main him)
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Just go play medjay or pirate. Literally the same shit just with a different coat of paint
I think the down right is gonna be good for donmaglass imagine instead of a stance break he can combo anything with R3 down than heavy or kick
I agree. When I saw the cgi trailer I got excited that maybe we would have a character with 2 different weapons that he can switch between for 2 completely different stances. Maybe the spear for dueling or stalking, and the club for skirmishing or crowd control.
As they are obsidian weapons it would’ve been cool if they caused bleed.
I would’ve liked to see some historical armor implemented too we haven’t gotten an outlander hero whose armor seems….. feasible aside from Afeera.
Bro you’re so right this character is about as deep as crayon box but you know what. Still have to admit that jaguar garb is truly beautiful I can’t help be appreciate the aesthetic WHICH IS LITERALLY WHAT YOURE OPENING point was it shouldn’t matter. Yes. I’m part of the problem it would seem 😂
As expected from JC
He never fails to disappoint me
Hello fellow discordian
No way
Idk man, I love him. Sure, basic moveset, but infinite combo of anything, the mixup potential is great.
A neet concept could have been when the enemy is bleeding ocelotl can see them. Maybe some kind of poison that effects vision. Perhaps hunter stance goes invisible using his t1 feat.
“Where’s his hyper armor coming from, where’s the armor” ask the Viking faction who famously wear almost nothing
Some minor changes I would like for this Hero:
No infinite chain
L-L (pokes)
H-H (unblockable)
L-H-H (unblockable)
H-L (ads bleeding)
Soft faint H opener with bash
The hidden stance should have something related to the bleeding like shaman
That's It.
that idea you had with chat is what for honor two should be like
As a Mexican I was just SO excited about an Aztec character but now that I see the moveset… yeah. A little bit disappointed. They could’ve done so much with q character wielding a macuahuitl (sword) and tepoztopilli (lance). Specially what you mentioned about bleed. It’s like giving an ancient chainsaw to a dude and it doesn’t bleed people…
Just to clarify, from what I got u can’t bash to unblock, because unblock is the heavy chain finisher. That’s what I understood In the stream, that being said, I think this hero had so much potential and they kinda decided to go with the same stuff we already see in every hero
5:47 so you basically are saying they should implement a similar version of PK's enhanced atracks because of bleed...
Nice! I liked it!
Was it not the fh community that said the last hero had way too much kit?????
Instantly top tier until nerf after becoming available with steel ?
Tbh I really wish this was a bleed character. And I was kinda wishing he had like a blow dart that inflicted a poison effect
Imagine him being able to stun with slow attacks from the club, and doing minor bleed with his spear that can stack up to a certain amount, with some soft feints.
Would've been great
Also, his top stance is shit. Why is he pointing the spear away from the enemy?
Could have done something where you could hold heavy after a successful land and it would give you a ripping effect dealing bleed damage and ending your chain. Then if the opponent blocked the enhanced heavy, they would gain some eye frames. Make the prowler stance heavy deal bleed damage on the rip part, add hyper armor because you are FLYING THROUGH THE AIR, and a zone from prowler stance that deals low damage but allows a continuation of the chain. Light attacks deal lower initial damage but gain stacking bonus bleed damge if the target is already bleeding, remove damage from forward bash and chain bash, second bash in chain deals bleed damage and BOOM, new, sexy, complete and unique character.
"I don't really wanna be known as the negative for honor guy" really? Really???
Did I miss anything how will we end If he can keep respawning without being exed
Should have been an assassin, with a tracking mechanic when people are bleeding. But we got heavy with a hybrid tag.
When i saw the stance, it thought that it would be great if the stance also acted like the stealth feat of assassins. Like bro is hunting his prey and is about to ambush it.
would have been cool if you had to mix up the use of spear and club by having a faster light heavy light heavy chain with some more unique attacks
How I wish he had more moves to the hidden stance, literally the only ones having that is nobu and shaman
Can you analyse your favourite heroes/mechanics in the game in a video? Just make a video about a certain mechanic or hero you like and talk about it.
Ok
@@el_slenderbased
That’s not an argument quote at the end got me to sub
I have a huge love-hate relationship with this character, it's what I wanted but at the same time it doesn't meet my expectations, your video is a great way of saying "it's a great character but it doesn't meet my expectations"
I was honestly expecting the heavies to deal bleed not just a feat
Its sad that feats which are not even accesible everywhere are the most creative parts of new heroes
I think they did ok
The double bash is new
The infinite chain that includes feintable bashes and zones offer a ton of variation of combo stings
But there are some undeniable flaws:
The Prowler stance is very incomplete, it feels like it's there just to say "we got a new stance" but doesn't actually accomplish much in a real fight
Baffling lack of bleed effect when the weapon design heavily hinted towards it
Looking at the last 3 or so characters released, it feels like Ubisoft's idea of the game is that a hero can only be strong if they got opener bash, chain follow up bash, combo extenders, and at least one move with hyper armor and one with unblockable
Oh and 50/50s out the ass, can't forget those
Something needs to be done at the core mechanic of the game to fix this
Hey slanderous, you should play armored core 6 when it comes out
He’s basically just centurion, also he isn’t meant for duels, his stance is meant for ganking, hence why it says under his name “ganker”
Can you talk about your thoughts on shugoki
The feats are what i am interested in!
Regarding the special stance not being viable for 1v1s... I get they should balance characters around teamfights, but sometimes it feels as if they just don't care that much for 1v1s
Just find it funny how devs look at weapons and dont research on what that weapon was meant for and just go "ahh fuck it lets just put hyper armour glue and see what sticks"
Sadly the creativity around moveset tools has rapidly taken a stop after the release of Warmonger, that's a fact. Ocelotl though looks fine and fun as hell
I watched the reveale and after the first part where they show the basic stuff and chain i was waiting for something interresting, then they say "And he has this stance" and i was like: ok, ok, another stance hero i actually dont mind. And then he literally has a jump and walks like 5% faster??? wow...
I couldn't agree more. Of course like you said the visual is superb, clearly there are telented artists who worked on the hero. But as for the gameplay itself you hit the spot. The hero is just not super fun to play in my opinion, I wish they went in a direction like Afeera. But I know there are technical limitations and they can't go super over the top. As much as the artists and the coders are talented, they can't push something like a cool new mechanic or a new kind of move into a game that is nearing its end, and if they did that, they would have to rebalance EVERY hero in the roster. That costs a lot of money for Ubi. That being said, I wish we will see something more ''out of the box'' for the next hero.
Cheers
I like the idea of an aggressive angry aztec warrior in your face but at the same time I wished they had something new, more complexity as he said it. Wish softfeints were used more often
why is this dude so good at coming up with ideas he should work with the devs
Would be good if bashes did bleed instead of straight damage, wouldn’t be a tough change either. Still excited :)
They talked about hunting. It woulda been nice if they had a ranged ability with some sort of cool down to balance it
What are the three heros that cant be mastered in 30 minutes?
(I assume kensei is one)
Highlander, his offensive stance takes time to get good at (using his whole os kit) and knowing what attacks to dodge and punish
Highlander and... Oh! That's the only one.
Nobu is actually pretty complex. Yeah, you can spam triple light and bash but there's actually much more going for her
I love the counter argument😂 So true!