Souness: "To be a world class club, you have to win big trophies." Two minutes later: "Liverpool are a world class club." ONE PL in the last THIRTY YEARS. ONE CL since 2005.
@@tevildo45 Practice your reading skills: I said one SINCE 2005. That one is 2019. And trying to equate old European Cups won 40-50 years ago with today is laughable.
@darthpepe2994 come on man, you don't think I'd generalise all Liverpool fans to talk nonsense do you? Anyway that title is for arsenal fans, and as a Chelsea fan we have Rory Jennings
@darthpepe2994 lighten up, it's only a laugh. Laurence McKenna is a nerd who wants to be a lad, a bit like Max Rushden- the worst man in the football world.
He also had everton top of the league for a few months after the league started with even a few people thinking they might win it (although i wasnt in that camp)
Chelsea fan of 39 years here. We WERE a World Class club between 2004-2021, but we've fallen away from that so fast!! We are firmly just a mid table team on the pitch, and we are rapidly in decline off the pitch. You can't stay at the top forever. Look at clubs like AC Milan. Even Barcelona are falling away from the standards that they set over the last 2 decades.
Same as you I started at SB from ‘63. I agree with you. However whilst I don’t like the new regime, I do believe they will get a tune out of the team in the next 2 or 3 seasons and Boehly Eghbali et al will create a new stadium for Chelsea whether at SB or a new place in 5 or 6 years time. I don’t dislike Poch but he will be with us for another season and then hopefully the next manager will be a world class coach. We cannot compare with top teams mentioned until will get the infrastructure right from new stadium for 60k fans to world class team on the pitch and top coach and management that start working far better than currently. Carefree 🔵🟦
It's not that deep man. We're going through a structural change at the club. Also let's not forget these players are incredibly young. Tho some like, Palmer and Gusto are already accelerating.. We'll have others hitting those bars soon .. Imo 2 players would have changed our league position for sure..Nkunku and Lavia.. Let's see how the team is when they come back
@@IamwhatyousayiamNext season mate. We have not hardly used 4 first teamers yet. James, Nkunku Lavia and Fofana. On top of this we have Key excellent academy players coming back from on loan Santos Webster Vale Hall Gabriel Maatsen (some will be sold) but we also have Washington Burstow Anjorin JJ Morgan and Dujuan Richards. We have so many potential players is mind blowing and several of these will fly in one or two seasons.
Carlo gave us stability when the FFP case was looming over us. Played some exciting attacking football. His home record was questionable. But for me, he'll always go down as a great for beating Loverpool at Anfield for the first time in 20 years. 💙
He's won the league in more countries than any other manager and more Champions Leagues than anyone else. He provides strong evidence in the argument for who is the best, nevermind up there with the others.
As a Man Utd fan i honeslty used to have a dislike towards Graham but honeslty hes one of my favourite personalties on any form of media now. The guy was an amazing player it has to be said and he says his honest opinipn which is all we can ask and hes gotten better at being impartial recently. Obvisouly Simon is a legend too.
There is a strange narrative that Ancelotti failed at Everton. I admit he didn't pull up any trees, but he didn't have the club in relegation trouble. They finished 12th and 10th in his 2 seasons. He had the best winning % of any Everton manager since Howard Kendall in the 80s (arguable Everton's most successful manager ever). He didn't do an AMAZING job, but it's not like things were dire.
Tottenham used the council to evict commercial tenants off the land they wanted to build their stadium on. They did not own all of the land prior. I was one of them.
This discussion was about whether the current Chelsea owners, manager and team have the ability to get back to the very top in English and European football. I believe that although the board have made some initial errors, they have the desire and ability to do so. Can Pochettino and his coaching team develop a talented young squad into a top four team, I think the answer is yes (he has done this with Spurs). This young Chelsea group of players definitely have the ability to compete with the best? Results against the established top 6 teams have been quite impressive , they have got to the final of one competition (top 2), are in the semi-final of another (top 4) and could finish 6/7 in the league. Not to bad from a team of kids. In terms of Palmer leaving Man City, I believe is very similar to the circumstances of when Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah left Chelsea, They couldn't get first team football promised at 20 yrs old in front of Willian and Fabregas who were the established players in those positions. Palmer will be a top player, he has all the right attributes to go right to the top.
Total nonsense “Results against the established top 6 are quite impressive” In nearly 2 season (under Clearlake) we have won ONE game against the so called top 6……1-4 against Tottenham with 9 men! 🤔🙄
@@Anonymous-kq8oh 'Total nonsense' ? Have a look at the head-to-head of the 'Big Six' this season. Taking into account that Chelsea are an emerging squad, it really is 'quite impressive'. Lets see what happens over the next 5 years, Vive la project! 😁
@@williamcushway555 I love your optimism but you’re clearly delusional if you think our record is quite impressive against the top 6…..you’re not American are you? Where everything is over the top? But just to clarify I’ll go through the last 2 season under Clearlake against the so called top 6…… 2022/2023 season (last year/season) Chelsea 2-2 Tottenham Chelsea 1-1 Man Utd Chelsea 0-1 Arsenal Man City 2-0 Chelsea Aston Villa 1-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-1 Man City Man City 4-0 Chelsea (Caroboa cup) Liverpool 0-0 Chelsea Tottenham 2-0 Chelsea Chelsea 0-2 Aston Villa Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea Man City 1-0 Chelsea (FA Cup) Man Utd 4-1 Chelsea This season 2023/2024:- Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool Chelsea 0-1 Aston Villa Chelsea 2-2 Arsenal TOTTENHAM 1-4 CHELSEA Chelsea 4-4 Man City Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea Chelsea 0-0 Aston Villa (Caroboa cup) Liverpool 4-1 Chelsea ASTON VILLA 1-3 CHELSEA (Caroboa cup) Man City 1-1 Chelsea Chelsea 0-1 Liverpool (final Caraboa cup) And you think that’s quite impressive? 🫵🏻🤡
In Euro's Petrovic 14m Gusto 25m Disasi 45m Colwill 0m (youth) Chilwell 50m Caicedo 116m Enzo 121m Palmer 47m Gallagher 0m Sterling 56m Jackson 37m Total for the startling 11 that day was 511million.
To gauge if a manager is elite or not is simple,the trophy's they've won & the clubs they won them with & the resources the manager had at his disposal to work with, it's not rocket science. Poch is clearly not an elite manager as he only won 1 french league in 2 years + 2 cups with 5× the budget of their nearest rivals . Winning that at PSG is nothing,Unai Emery won 7 trophy's in 2 years at the same club & has won 4 Europa leagues at 2 different clubs,3 in a row at Sevilla & 1 at Villareal + a semi final in the champions league with the same club which is insane given the size of the club,also the budgets at the latter 2 clubs he had to work with. Unai Emery is an elite manager & Poch is not, it's that simple.
@amimorris Your reasoning just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. It's a ridiculous assessment to be honest. Pochettino won the league title & a domestic cup in his one & only full season as manager of PSG. Where else, what other club, was Pochettino supposed to win trophies at, Espanyol, Southampton, Spurs? Those three teams do not win trophies, period. Espanyol & Southampton haven't won a trophy for the last six million years & regarding Spurs, even serial trophy winning managers such as Mourinho & Conte didn't get near winning a trophy with Spurs. But what Pochettino did do was become the most successful manager at Spurs in the last 60 years. No manager of Spurs has finished as high in the league as Pochettino did for over 60 years. Under Pochettino Spurs finished in the top 4 in four of the five seasons he was manager. The other season they finished 5th. Pochettino also took Spurs to a CL final, that's further than any manager in their history has taken them in the biggest competition of them all. You talk about Unai Emery winning trophies & it's true he's got a great record in the Europa Lge. But Spurs & Pochettino were competing in the CL & not the EL in all but one of Pochettino's season's at Spurs. Where has Pochettino had a big budget other than PSG & Chelsea? Pochettino did a much better job at Spurs than Emery did at Arsenal.
The fact bob paisley never gets a mention is mind blowing and English manager that won three European cups a UEFA cup and 6 league titles how is he not a sir oh and he fought the Germans in Italy on the back of a tank ❤
Livepool has won 1 PL in 30 years and during Klopp's time 1 FA Cup and 1 CL in 8 years which is a lot less than what Chelsea had won in that timeframe. While in the past 23-24 years Chelsea had won more trophy than any other PL team and just because of two seasons they are not? Just this very summer two targets that Liverpool wanted turned down the offer from Liverpool and joined Chelsea. When do these fossils of Liverpool would realize that what you had in the past is not relevant anymore. If you write off Chelsea because of two seasons then Liverpool by that definition is dead. Wait and see what you will achieve from next season after Klopp leaves I bet it would take neater 30 years to win a PL.
This are the issues, Chelsea players have been plagued with more injuries than any other epl team… he has improved Gallagher, Jackson, Gusto, Mudryk and others. Yet, you blame Poch, and you wonder why the negative press. With time the team will play in sync.
@@ghostoftheyoutubefuture2630Newcastle have had 29 injuries, Man Utd 28, Chelsea 27. Pretty even. Were you trying to suggest Newcastle were way worse off or something, because one injury more than United and 2 more than Chelsea was hardly worth mentioning.
We not world class anymore because we have owners dont know anything about football, mid tier directors, spursy manager. Thiago world class but is 40 and RJ who is always injured, few of the kids look decent but not at the level yet. UK government and rayne group done this to us. Ask the government were the money is from the sale of the club.
@Irm_footy9517 The new owners don't know anything about football? How do you know what they know & don't know? And how much did Abramovich know about football when he arrived in 2003, did he know anything about it? Did Liverpool & Man Utd's American owners know any more than Chelsea's new owners? Do the arabs of M City & Newcastle know anything about football?
Yeah the only dudes that have been prior Chelsea level are Gusto & Palmer. I would throw Petrovic in there too but since he’s been number 1 he’s got a lot to learn. Caicedo has been hit or miss the price tag doesn’t help either. Need to cut a lot of players even players bought in the summer and at a big loss but as a soft reboot.
Agreed - he was hedging so much on his commentary - Cole Palmer has easily been Chelsea’s best player this season and there is a definite chance Pep regrets selling him - pretty fair statement to make, Pep is not infallible!
He is a pity Liverpool fan what do you expect? 1 PL in 30 years and with their best manager in 30 years just 1 CL and FA cup on top and from next season they can suck on it again what do you expect?
Dont ever ask Simon Jordan to say anything bad about a fellow businessman whos invested in a premier league club. Hes not going to say nothing bad about them.
Where were these Pundits when Chelsea and Man Utd were fighting fir almost all the trophies and England and Europe between 2005 to 2013. Yes Chelsea is struggling under new ownership but hopefully it's not for long-term.
As a Chelsea fan of 57 years watching Chelsea disintegrate after the early 70’s and never expecting to see Chelsea win a major trophy let alone the premier league and champions league this is a forced transition i think similar to Man Utd Hold tight
Palmer-best stats in Europe in his age bracket and he can't make a shirt England squad because it's' too Early' that why England have won FA. They are never able to see talent and use it. Palmer should be there.
Ancelotti is the best manager ever. You can’t argue that. Even Ferguson cannot square him. Ferguson never tested outside the UK, during his era, premier league was a second tier league in Europe. 😅just facts
Boehly's consortium did listen to the experts but the experts failed them. Aubameyang, Sterling, Koulibaly, Felix, Forfana, Cucurella added to coveted young players and an existing group of proven internationals should have been on paper a contender. A poor start led to confidence issues and the firing of Tuchel. Potter was the media choice but that failed as well. Plan B was to sell virtually the whole squad to save money on wages and start afresh with young players. You could say that this is the first season for them to gel so in that context it's easier to forgive the inconsistency.
Simon Jordan is the worst person to get an objective opinion on in regards to Chelsea's owners, Boehly, Eghbali, Feliciano, Walters and Wyss. Simon actually denying here just a few minutes into Graeme's question that Boehly was Sporting Director. The fact that Boehly openly talked about being the Sporting Director was completely ignored by him. Boehly even did an interview and admitted "mistakes were made but we're learning and will get it right". Boehly and Eghbali were both in that Sporting Director roles, Boehly being the more prominent face but Eghbali joined at the hip. Boehly was being suckered by player agents and other clubs and made colossal errors. Jordan is unaware or intentionally deceiving in pretending that Todd was not actually the Sporting Director. He was. Jordan then continues his spin in regards to his claim that Petr Cech "debunked" the theory that Boehly was a "western gun slinger firing everyone". This is a very oily statement by Simon. Petr Cech was not "fired" by Boehly no. This is true, technically. This scenario does not "debunk" for a minute that Boehly did walk into the club like a "western gun slinger" and fire everyone as it's an obvious fact for any that are not blind that he literally fired and changed over most of the staff, medical team, management team, players - right down to the headgroundsman and his son. Just look at the rapid changeover at Chelsea in such a short period of time and then consider Simon using Cech as a "debunking" of what your eyes and brain just watched happen. As for Cech, what Simon did not say of course, is why Cech resigned. Cech said in that interview Simon referenced that he left because "it's important for the owners and the employees to have the same visions on how to building the club and the owners should have people that see it the same around them". What Petr just said, without saying, is he did NOT have, nor share, the same vision that the owners had in regards to Chelsea so he resigned. NOw what on earth would they not see through the same lenses on? Oh I don't know, maybe turning a winning club into a development club using AI Scouting for all recruitment decisions and buying Under 23 aged players to be the main squad at Chelsea despite there being an U23 development side in the first place specifically for that. In addition to the massive change over of everything Chelsea at every single department. Cech would have stayed if the new owners had any brains on how to run a football club. Jordan is a slippery, quick tongued weasel that could talk the scales off a snakes back. He met with Boehly in Qatar, him and White - he's been enamored with Todd ever since, defending him like he's his white knight in shining armour. Like I said, the worst person to get an objective opinion as most if not ALL of the inconvenient facts are smoothly and expertly passed over.
as a Chelsea supporter I would say no, and everything Chelsea have won has been remarkable overachieving. Ange won everything everywhere he has gone, Australia, Japan, Asian Cup, Scotland. England is the only place he hasn't won yet and he's been there 5 minutes.
When they were winning champs leagues, titles and various other trophies they were definitely world class and it wasn't overachieving because they had the players various coaches and an owner who represented a winning pedigree..As of right now they are not world class under the present ownership.
Well now we know Simon, you're on the board at Chelsea in a secret, consultant capacity. Jim White next........as head of hospitality and Stadium Announcer !!
Trouble with most chelsea fans they have now know very little about chelsea i started going there in 1965,we had good players but not enough to get to the top,we knew that and were happy to take what we could get,bates ran chelsea into the ground other than the last few years when we nearly went broke.RA came in and we kicked on winning more than we from the "old chelsea" could have ever dreamed,in the back of my mind i always thought we would lose RA by him being killed by putin,it was a thing i thought could happen,we lost him that way but not by killing him but killing thousands of others.These supporters have never had it this way,how long before they drift off only time will tell.
People are working overnight to make it look likr Todd Boehly is cluless and doesnt know what he is doing, glad that Simon point them at the right direction. Abrahamovic didnt get it right on his first 3yrs, we won the league but we spent alot of money is all direction. sacked as many manager as he deemed fit. Todd is just 1yr plus into his reign but have already laid the foundation for future dominance. its just a matter of time. We just need a World class manager.
Can tell why Graeme is a dinosaur and hasn't managed for so long by saying at the start of Boehly's reign Chelsea needed a striker when they bought Cucurella. Look at Brighton under Potter, everyone kept saying "if they had a striker" over and over due to their xG. De Zerbi goes in with the same players and gets them scoring for fun. It's not always about the players, but the style and system you deploy them in.
World class managers ? Mourinho is a worldf class manager because he's changed the fortunes of clubs he's been at . Klopp is a world class manager because he changed the fortunes of clubs he's been at . Unai Emery . Arteta . Xabi Alonso . Some clubs , though , and you have to agree , are expected to challenge simply because of their stature and financial power . PSG , Bayern , Madrid , Barca , ManU , Man City . Look at the managers that managed tose clubs to success , you'd expect them to with the power they have beyond other clubs and I think ou'll agree that a small pool of managers basically get all the bigger jobs which , while it doesn't mean they're not great managers , is a different achievement to what Klopp has done at Liverpool , Mourinho at Porto , Inter and Chelsea , Arteta at Arsenal , Emery at Villa and Xabi Alonso at Leverkusen .
The ultimate decisions are made by non-football people. They're called owners. They hire the top-level staff (directors, managers). However, we listen to many pundits who are not football people, especially in the media.
When they were winning champs leagues, titles and various other trophies they were definitely world class and it wasn't overachieving because they had the players various coaches and an owner who represented a winning pedigree..As of right now they are not world class under the present ownership.
They had an owner who for his own reasons was willing to pour money into the club that he knew he wasn’t getting back - the new owners are not in that position and have a club and stadium that are not able to generate the level of income required to be a top team again - Chelsea will probably be the new Spurs - qualify for CL now and again but won’t be around when the PL and CL winners are being decided
stering shoudn't go to the EUros. Experience is one thing, but form should be the main factor. Maguire is very lucky to still be in Southgate's plans!!
@@Ruscococo1 Mainoo over Phillips. Time for England to play continental football, stop with this typical British style. You need more Guardiola style and less dry Southgate.
Chelsea can compete for any player. Every fan worldwide knows Chelsea. Players still prefer to sign for Chelsea over other teams and it takes more than a blip in form to remove stature. Of course Chelsea is a still a world class club.
your know your one of the best one you have something no 1 else has.... so you can have 5 great at a table... sir alex, time and did the big 3 first (in england), wenger , time & unbeaten etc... you have to bring something the others dont have......
Graham is Spurs any where near the standard when you were there? I think not but it is a Big Club no matter what the naysayers may say. I and countless others was mortified when you left at age 18 because your path was blocked by the Legendary Dave McKay. We still think of you as one of us.
Why some of these Brits like to celebrate near miss? As a Chelsea fan I don't think Gallagher is as good as some make him to be. What he does well is rough people up in the middle of the park but he's not a good passer, he over kicks free kicks and he definitely loses the ball too easily for me. There is much potential in the squad but we lack fight.
I really enjoyed that little show. Great dynamic and knowledge from opposite sides of the table between former owner and former player. And something that rarely happens Simon giggling in embarrassment, being coy almost saying cut, cut! Well done Graeme for for getting one over on Simon in a fun way 😂😂
Disagree about Ancolotti at Everton, I think he was doing a good job at Everton and was gutted he ditched them for real Madrid again even though it was the right choice in hindsight.... carlo brought in good players and only time dom cal lewin was any good.... but then again it was probably because of him that Everton were deducted points lol
I can't get over how much time Simon has for Todd Boehly. His whole model is built on a misconception that their players will only gain and never lose value. Yeah sure you've spent £105M on Fernandes and £115M on Caicedo and amortised it over many years but what happens if in 2 years you want rid of them? You ain't getting £80M-£85M back for those players. Then think about all those players who aren't even playing? You're definitely making a loss on them. Now consider that Chelsea won't be getting Champions League football for the second season running but you're running on a Champions League budget. I think they're in big trouble, I don't see them breaking even this summer, they'll probably get a points deduction and they won't be able to spend like they've done in the past two summers.
Talking about Chelsea, while man United are rotten but named as elite without a world class manager, mentioning city while they’re good now but in the other shows are doomed for ffp, talking about one league winner klopp without ranieri, and ok Tottenham who haven’t done a thing ever but built a great stadium? Arsenal who are nearly there but not quite? Chelsea are Londons champions leagues club ever, ask Simon what cities the best on earth? Apparently not a media mouth peice
Arsenal are def world class. They have history of trophies in the 1930's, they were great in the 1990's/2000's and they are the only club to win the league unbeaten, plus they get street cred for winning it playing good, attractive, attacking football. That's a world class club.
Souness: "To be a world class club, you have to win big trophies." Two minutes later: "Liverpool are a world class club." ONE PL in the last THIRTY YEARS. ONE CL since 2005.
@@tevildo45 Practice your reading skills: I said one SINCE 2005. That one is 2019.
And trying to equate old European Cups won 40-50 years ago with today is laughable.
@@QuicknStraightyou don't expect a Liverpool ex player/manager/fan to talk sense do you?
@darthpepe2994 come on man, you don't think I'd generalise all Liverpool fans to talk nonsense do you? Anyway that title is for arsenal fans, and as a Chelsea fan we have Rory Jennings
@darthpepe2994 lighten up, it's only a laugh. Laurence McKenna is a nerd who wants to be a lad, a bit like Max Rushden- the worst man in the football world.
One only premiership ever for Liverpool and Klopp. Thats one in 9 years for Klopp.
Liverpool equal in Prems with Blackburn and Leicester@@tevildo45
Love that Graeme always calls him Ted Boehly
Yeah, he really knows what he's talking about. Not biased at all or anything.
@@WOLFanddBEARgood of you to notice!
I love it when Souness refers to the Glazers as the glaziers 😂
Souness need to find himself a nice retirement home where he can dream about the old glory days.
Ancelotti had 47% win record at Everton
He also had everton top of the league for a few months after the league started with even a few people thinking they might win it (although i wasnt in that camp)
Yes I remember that but I don't remember people saying they were going to win it was more of a top 4 shout@@ryanmichael7795
We won at spurs arsenal and Liverpool, fell off because of squad depth. Best season Everton have had for quite a while..
These two talking nonsense
@@ryanmichael7795just didn’t have a contact for heroine?
Chelsea fan of 39 years here. We WERE a World Class club between 2004-2021, but we've fallen away from that so fast!! We are firmly just a mid table team on the pitch, and we are rapidly in decline off the pitch. You can't stay at the top forever. Look at clubs like AC Milan. Even Barcelona are falling away from the standards that they set over the last 2 decades.
Same as you I started at SB from ‘63. I agree with you. However whilst I don’t like the new regime, I do believe they will get a tune out of the team in the next 2 or 3 seasons and Boehly Eghbali et al will create a new stadium for Chelsea whether at SB or a new place in 5 or 6 years time. I don’t dislike Poch but he will be with us for another season and then hopefully the next manager will be a world
class coach. We cannot compare with top teams mentioned until will get the infrastructure right from new stadium for 60k fans to world class team on the pitch and top coach and management that start working far better than currently. Carefree 🔵🟦
It's not that deep man. We're going through a structural change at the club.
Also let's not forget these players are incredibly young.
Tho some like, Palmer and Gusto are already accelerating..
We'll have others hitting those bars soon ..
Imo 2 players would have changed our league position for sure..Nkunku and Lavia..
Let's see how the team is when they come back
And petrovic imo. But they will be sold I bet for double what they bought them for.@@Iamwhatyousayiam
@@IamwhatyousayiamNext season mate. We have not hardly used 4 first teamers yet. James, Nkunku Lavia and Fofana. On top of this we have Key excellent academy players coming back from on loan Santos Webster Vale Hall Gabriel Maatsen (some will be sold) but we also have Washington Burstow Anjorin JJ Morgan and Dujuan Richards.
We have so many potential players is mind blowing and several of these will fly in one or two seasons.
@@Iamwhatyousayiamincredibly young? Our average age this season is 23.3. In 2004/05 when we won the Premier League it was 23.6.
Carlo gave us stability when the FFP case was looming over us. Played some exciting attacking football. His home record was questionable. But for me, he'll always go down as a great for beating Loverpool at Anfield for the first time in 20 years. 💙
Two gents who love to talk over each other
A bit strong that labelling them "gents"😮
Love this one on ones guys.....not aggressive, just having a chat...please keep it going
Love the 'I think Chelsea won a couple of champions leagues, and didn't they win the premiership once or twice?". And THESE are experts?.😂😂.
Clearly you are not an expert either, it's called the Premier League not the Premiership..
@@SennaStar It's actually called both 😂
@@SennaStar you sound like fun
@@blackwaterproduction289 Sad laughing at your own comment. I correct you, it's called The Premier League..
@@SennaStar Why is it sad! Cheer up mate, I have heard many people call it both 😁
10:42 simon stutering to say Carlo is a world class manager is embarrsing. He is in the same league as SAF and PEP
and Klopp
@@leao1012Who? 😂
He's won the league in more countries than any other manager and more Champions Leagues than anyone else. He provides strong evidence in the argument for who is the best, nevermind up there with the others.
Don’t think he’s quite in THAT SAF and Guardiola GOAT class but he’s clearly world class.
He's won 4 Champions league's?@@vicsdunleavy21
He mentioned Pogba. 😂😂😂. 24:25
No way 😂😂😂
He definitely reads the Pogba comments 😂
As a Man Utd fan i honeslty used to have a dislike towards Graham but honeslty hes one of my favourite personalties on any form of media now. The guy was an amazing player it has to be said and he says his honest opinipn which is all we can ask and hes gotten better at being impartial recently. Obvisouly Simon is a legend too.
I didnt ever like Simon before, but after this. What a g
There is a strange narrative that Ancelotti failed at Everton. I admit he didn't pull up any trees, but he didn't have the club in relegation trouble. They finished 12th and 10th in his 2 seasons. He had the best winning % of any Everton manager since Howard Kendall in the 80s (arguable Everton's most successful manager ever). He didn't do an AMAZING job, but it's not like things were dire.
This show is great. No screaming or yelling, just 2 men talking
Tottenham used the council to evict commercial tenants off the land they wanted to build their stadium on. They did not own all of the land prior. I was one of them.
This is great banter 😄
Emery is currently the best manager in the PL
This discussion was about whether the current Chelsea owners, manager and team have the ability to get back to the very top in English and European football. I believe that although the board have made some initial errors, they have the desire and ability to do so. Can Pochettino and his coaching team develop a talented young squad into a top four team, I think the answer is yes (he has done this with Spurs). This young Chelsea group of players definitely have the ability to compete with the best? Results against the established top 6 teams have been quite impressive , they have got to the final of one competition (top 2), are in the semi-final of another (top 4) and could finish 6/7 in the league. Not to bad from a team of kids. In terms of Palmer leaving Man City, I believe is very similar to the circumstances of when Kevin De Bruyne and Mo Salah left Chelsea, They couldn't get first team football promised at 20 yrs old in front of Willian and Fabregas who were the established players in those positions. Palmer will be a top player, he has all the right attributes to go right to the top.
Total nonsense
“Results against the established top 6 are quite impressive”
In nearly 2 season (under Clearlake) we have won ONE game against the so called top 6……1-4 against Tottenham with 9 men! 🤔🙄
@@Anonymous-kq8oh 'Total nonsense' ? Have a look at the head-to-head of the 'Big Six' this season. Taking into account that Chelsea are an emerging squad, it really is 'quite impressive'. Lets see what happens over the next 5 years, Vive la project! 😁
@@williamcushway555 I love your optimism but you’re clearly delusional if you think our record is quite impressive against the top 6…..you’re not American are you? Where everything is over the top? But just to clarify I’ll go through the last 2 season under Clearlake against the so called top 6……
2022/2023 season (last year/season)
Chelsea 2-2 Tottenham
Chelsea 1-1 Man Utd
Chelsea 0-1 Arsenal
Man City 2-0 Chelsea
Aston Villa 1-0 Chelsea
Chelsea 0-1 Man City
Man City 4-0 Chelsea (Caroboa cup)
Liverpool 0-0 Chelsea
Tottenham 2-0 Chelsea
Chelsea 0-2 Aston Villa
Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool
Arsenal 3-1 Chelsea
Man City 1-0 Chelsea (FA Cup)
Man Utd 4-1 Chelsea
This season 2023/2024:-
Chelsea 0-0 Liverpool
Chelsea 0-1 Aston Villa
Chelsea 2-2 Arsenal
TOTTENHAM 1-4 CHELSEA
Chelsea 4-4 Man City
Man Utd 2-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 0-0 Aston Villa (Caroboa cup)
Liverpool 4-1 Chelsea
ASTON VILLA 1-3 CHELSEA (Caroboa cup)
Man City 1-1 Chelsea
Chelsea 0-1 Liverpool (final Caraboa cup)
And you think that’s quite impressive? 🫵🏻🤡
So Souness starts the episode asking a question and doesn’t like Simon finish the answer.
OMG it's so annoying he doesn't let him finish his points at all.
So Simon gets a taste of his own medicine. He's forever talking over Spencer Oliver.
Ferguson didn't let pogba go , he chose to sign with Juve.
Can anyone please tell me the total cost of Chelsea's first team. Cause I'm sure it's not one billion.
This is it part of that billion pound was never to be for the first team it part of investment in youth. This is all media nonsense
@christianjohn9359 Thank you, I thought I was the only one who noticed. Oh, can some please tell that fool G Neville to help him out
In Euro's Petrovic 14m
Gusto 25m Disasi 45m Colwill 0m (youth) Chilwell 50m
Caicedo 116m Enzo 121m
Palmer 47m Gallagher 0m Sterling 56m
Jackson 37m
Total for the startling 11 that day was 511million.
To answer your question: the total cost is 1+Billion.
@@stan123blue that’s the £ amounts not Euros. But Chelsea starting 11 is nowhere nearly £1bn.
Chelsea is one of the biggest clubs in the world
In what world?
@@Ishouldstudy69 clearly not the world your envy cannot acknowledge…
@@Ishouldstudy69 Not THE biggest in the world, obviously, but in the top 10 of the world's biggest clubs.
To gauge if a manager is elite or not is simple,the trophy's they've won & the clubs they won them with & the resources the manager had at his disposal to work with, it's not rocket science. Poch is clearly not an elite manager as he only won 1 french league in 2 years + 2 cups with 5× the budget of their nearest rivals . Winning that at PSG is nothing,Unai Emery won 7 trophy's in 2 years at the same club & has won 4 Europa leagues at 2 different clubs,3 in a row at Sevilla & 1 at Villareal + a semi final in the champions league with the same club which is insane given the size of the club,also the budgets at the latter 2 clubs he had to work with. Unai Emery is an elite manager & Poch is not, it's that simple.
*trophies
@amimorris Your reasoning just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny. It's a ridiculous assessment to be honest. Pochettino won the league title & a domestic cup in his one & only full season as manager of PSG.
Where else, what other club, was Pochettino supposed to win trophies at, Espanyol, Southampton, Spurs? Those three teams do not win trophies, period. Espanyol & Southampton haven't won a trophy for the last six million years & regarding Spurs, even serial trophy winning managers such as Mourinho & Conte didn't get near winning a trophy with Spurs.
But what Pochettino did do was become the most successful manager at Spurs in the last 60 years. No manager of Spurs has finished as high in the league as Pochettino did for over 60 years. Under Pochettino Spurs finished in the top 4 in four of the five seasons he was manager. The other season they finished 5th. Pochettino also took Spurs to a CL final, that's further than any manager in their history has taken them in the biggest competition of them all.
You talk about Unai Emery winning trophies & it's true he's got a great record in the Europa Lge. But Spurs & Pochettino were competing in the CL & not the EL in all but one of Pochettino's season's at Spurs.
Where has Pochettino had a big budget other than PSG & Chelsea? Pochettino did a much better job at Spurs than Emery did at Arsenal.
The fact bob paisley never gets a mention is mind blowing and English manager that won three European cups a UEFA cup and 6 league titles how is he not a sir oh and he fought the Germans in Italy on the back of a tank ❤
Livepool has won 1 PL in 30 years and during Klopp's time 1 FA Cup and 1 CL in 8 years which is a lot less than what Chelsea had won in that timeframe. While in the past 23-24 years Chelsea had won more trophy than any other PL team and just because of two seasons they are not? Just this very summer two targets that Liverpool wanted turned down the offer from Liverpool and joined Chelsea. When do these fossils of Liverpool would realize that what you had in the past is not relevant anymore. If you write off Chelsea because of two seasons then Liverpool by that definition is dead. Wait and see what you will achieve from next season after Klopp leaves I bet it would take neater 30 years to win a PL.
This are the issues, Chelsea players have been plagued with more injuries than any other epl team… he has improved Gallagher, Jackson, Gusto, Mudryk and others. Yet, you blame Poch, and you wonder why the negative press. With time the team will play in sync.
No, Man United have more injuries.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 Newcastle have had more injuries than all of you
Literally just need a striker. 15 point swing easy.
Jackson is LW/SS/#10 hybrid.
@@ghostoftheyoutubefuture2630Newcastle have had 29 injuries, Man Utd 28, Chelsea 27. Pretty even. Were you trying to suggest Newcastle were way worse off or something, because one injury more than United and 2 more than Chelsea was hardly worth mentioning.
@@ivanaleksandartsanev1693no Chelsea has and more long term ones.
Chelsea's job is to take trophies from World Class team. For every trophy in Chelsea's trophy case, a "World class" team is going without.
We not world class anymore because we have owners dont know anything about football, mid tier directors, spursy manager. Thiago world class but is 40 and RJ who is always injured, few of the kids look decent but not at the level yet. UK government and rayne group done this to us. Ask the government were the money is from the sale of the club.
You aren’t done. Here’s the mic 🎤 and keep spitting facts
@Irm_footy9517 The new owners don't know anything about football? How do you know what they know & don't know? And how much did Abramovich know about football when he arrived in 2003, did he know anything about it? Did Liverpool & Man Utd's American owners know any more than Chelsea's new owners? Do the arabs of M City & Newcastle know anything about football?
@@danniwilder2198 This isn't a Q&A mate
Yeah the only dudes that have been prior Chelsea level are Gusto & Palmer. I would throw Petrovic in there too but since he’s been number 1 he’s got a lot to learn. Caicedo has been hit or miss the price tag doesn’t help either. Need to cut a lot of players even players bought in the summer and at a big loss but as a soft reboot.
hahahaha why cant souness just say Palmer has been good for Chelsea!! whats the promblem!
Agreed - he was hedging so much on his commentary - Cole Palmer has easily been Chelsea’s best player this season and there is a definite chance Pep regrets selling him - pretty fair statement to make, Pep is not infallible!
He is a pity Liverpool fan what do you expect? 1 PL in 30 years and with their best manager in 30 years just 1 CL and FA cup on top and from next season they can suck on it again what do you expect?
@@sina7601i smell jealousy.
@@ikennanw Jealous of what? 1 PL in 30 years?
@sina7601 all you said had nothing to do with why Souness doesn't want to call Cole Palmer Chelsea's best player.
Simon is so struggling to understand what Graham has against Palmer 😂😂😂
Dont ever ask Simon Jordan to say anything bad about a fellow businessman whos invested in a premier league club. Hes not going to say nothing bad about them.
Where were these Pundits when Chelsea and Man Utd were fighting fir almost all the trophies and England and Europe between 2005 to 2013. Yes Chelsea is struggling under new ownership but hopefully it's not for long-term.
Ange? Spent £100m since September, and had the 3rd most expensive player in January
Souness "goes back" a lot.
The only thing that stoped united winning more trophies was that chelsea team respect
As a Chelsea fan of 57 years watching Chelsea disintegrate after the early 70’s and never expecting to see Chelsea win a major trophy let alone the premier league and champions league this is a forced transition i think similar to Man Utd
Hold tight
Palmer-best stats in Europe in his age bracket and he can't make a shirt England squad because it's' too Early' that why England have won FA. They are never able to see talent and use it. Palmer should be there.
Over who? Lol
31 minutes 31 seconds I won't be wasting my life watching
Ancelotti is the best manager ever. You can’t argue that. Even Ferguson cannot square him. Ferguson never tested outside the UK, during his era, premier league was a second tier league in Europe. 😅just facts
Did they wake Graham up out of a nap? By 12 mins he’s making no sense at all!
*Graeme
@@kylowhen2639 GR-A-E-ME = pron: "Graame" - interesting....
Stirling should be in the England squad what you smoking
Graham
He's overrated and shouldn't be. most overrated player of the last ten years that sterling. he is what happens when solanke gets signed by pep.
If England had 3 squads going this summer I wouldn't bring Sterling in one of them
He shud be in Jamaica
*Sterling
*Graeme
Boehly's consortium did listen to the experts but the experts failed them. Aubameyang, Sterling, Koulibaly, Felix, Forfana, Cucurella added to coveted young players and an existing group of proven internationals should have been on paper a contender. A poor start led to confidence issues and the firing of Tuchel. Potter was the media choice but that failed as well. Plan B was to sell virtually the whole squad to save money on wages and start afresh with young players. You could say that this is the first season for them to gel so in that context it's easier to forgive the inconsistency.
Caichado?
Simon Jordan is the worst person to get an objective opinion on in regards to Chelsea's owners, Boehly, Eghbali, Feliciano, Walters and Wyss.
Simon actually denying here just a few minutes into Graeme's question that Boehly was Sporting Director. The fact that Boehly openly talked about being the Sporting Director was completely ignored by him. Boehly even did an interview and admitted "mistakes were made but we're learning and will get it right". Boehly and Eghbali were both in that Sporting Director roles, Boehly being the more prominent face but Eghbali joined at the hip.
Boehly was being suckered by player agents and other clubs and made colossal errors. Jordan is unaware or intentionally deceiving in pretending that Todd was not actually the Sporting Director. He was.
Jordan then continues his spin in regards to his claim that Petr Cech "debunked" the theory that Boehly was a "western gun slinger firing everyone". This is a very oily statement by Simon.
Petr Cech was not "fired" by Boehly no. This is true, technically. This scenario does not "debunk" for a minute that Boehly did walk into the club like a "western gun slinger" and fire everyone as it's an obvious fact for any that are not blind that he literally fired and changed over most of the staff, medical team, management team, players - right down to the headgroundsman and his son. Just look at the rapid changeover at Chelsea in such a short period of time and then consider Simon using Cech as a "debunking" of what your eyes and brain just watched happen.
As for Cech, what Simon did not say of course, is why Cech resigned. Cech said in that interview Simon referenced that he left because "it's important for the owners and the employees to have the same visions on how to building the club and the owners should have people that see it the same around them". What Petr just said, without saying, is he did NOT have, nor share, the same vision that the owners had in regards to Chelsea so he resigned. NOw what on earth would they not see through the same lenses on? Oh I don't know, maybe turning a winning club into a development club using AI Scouting for all recruitment decisions and buying Under 23 aged players to be the main squad at Chelsea despite there being an U23 development side in the first place specifically for that.
In addition to the massive change over of everything Chelsea at every single department.
Cech would have stayed if the new owners had any brains on how to run a football club.
Jordan is a slippery, quick tongued weasel that could talk the scales off a snakes back.
He met with Boehly in Qatar, him and White - he's been enamored with Todd ever since, defending him like he's his white knight in shining armour.
Like I said, the worst person to get an objective opinion as most if not ALL of the inconvenient facts are smoothly and expertly passed over.
Minerals landed
Landed it there.
as a Chelsea supporter I would say no, and everything Chelsea have won has been remarkable overachieving. Ange won everything everywhere he has gone, Australia, Japan, Asian Cup, Scotland. England is the only place he hasn't won yet and he's been there 5 minutes.
When they were winning champs leagues, titles and various other trophies they were definitely world class and it wasn't overachieving because they had the players various coaches and an owner who represented a winning pedigree..As of right now they are not world class under the present ownership.
Overachieving for 20 years were they? Cmon mate, behave
Crystal Palace under Simon Jordan NOT a Premier League Level Club! 😱🔵
Well now we know Simon, you're on the board at Chelsea in a secret, consultant capacity.
Jim White next........as head of hospitality and Stadium Announcer !!
Trouble with most chelsea fans they have now know very little about chelsea i started going there in 1965,we had good players but not enough to get to the top,we knew that and were happy to take what we could get,bates ran chelsea into the ground other than the last few years when we nearly went broke.RA came in and we kicked on winning more than we from the "old chelsea" could have ever dreamed,in the back of my mind i always thought we would lose RA by him being killed by putin,it was a thing i thought could happen,we lost him that way but not by killing him but killing thousands of others.These supporters have never had it this way,how long before they drift off only time will tell.
People are working overnight to make it look likr Todd Boehly is cluless and doesnt know what he is doing, glad that Simon point them at the right direction. Abrahamovic didnt get it right on his first 3yrs, we won the league but we spent alot of money is all direction. sacked as many manager as he deemed fit. Todd is just 1yr plus into his reign but have already laid the foundation for future dominance. its just a matter of time. We just need a World class manager.
Is it true that chelsea made contact with liverpool today in regards to signing him?
How Simon doubts to call Anceloti world class manager is beyond me.
Can tell why Graeme is a dinosaur and hasn't managed for so long by saying at the start of Boehly's reign Chelsea needed a striker when they bought Cucurella. Look at Brighton under Potter, everyone kept saying "if they had a striker" over and over due to their xG. De Zerbi goes in with the same players and gets them scoring for fun. It's not always about the players, but the style and system you deploy them in.
Simon be like "what is he talking" and scratching his head
Cole Palmer is class. Too similar to Foden to be in the same team that’s all - in my opinion
4 times Jordan kept missing the point about Spurs not fancying Souness
Reason why it's called an opinion. The fact you're even talking about them says a lot.
World class managers ? Mourinho is a worldf class manager because he's changed the fortunes of clubs he's been at . Klopp is a world class manager because he changed the fortunes of clubs he's been at . Unai Emery . Arteta . Xabi Alonso . Some clubs , though , and you have to agree , are expected to challenge simply because of their stature and financial power . PSG , Bayern , Madrid , Barca , ManU , Man City . Look at the managers that managed tose clubs to success , you'd expect them to with the power they have beyond other clubs and I think ou'll agree that a small pool of managers basically get all the bigger jobs which , while it doesn't mean they're not great managers , is a different achievement to what Klopp has done at Liverpool , Mourinho at Porto , Inter and Chelsea , Arteta at Arsenal , Emery at Villa and Xabi Alonso at Leverkusen .
The ultimate decisions are made by non-football people. They're called owners. They hire the top-level staff (directors, managers). However, we listen to many pundits who are not football people, especially in the media.
Graeme Souness manage somehow to bring Pogba into this. Lol.
When they were winning champs leagues, titles and various other trophies they were definitely world class and it wasn't overachieving because they had the players various coaches and an owner who represented a winning pedigree..As of right now they are not world class under the present ownership.
They had an owner who for his own reasons was willing to pour money into the club that he knew he wasn’t getting back - the new owners are not in that position and have a club and stadium that are not able to generate the level of income required to be a top team again - Chelsea will probably be the new Spurs - qualify for CL now and again but won’t be around when the PL and CL winners are being decided
Literally world champions 2 years ago……
stering shoudn't go to the EUros. Experience is one thing, but form should be the main factor. Maguire is very lucky to still be in Southgate's plans!!
Gibbs-white over Henderson
Tomori over Maguire
Livramento over Chilwell
@@Ruscococo1 Mainoo over Phillips. Time for England to play continental football, stop with this typical British style. You need more Guardiola style and less dry Southgate.
@13leaguestotwomorethanyou. Plans or pants???????
Chelsea can compete for any player. Every fan worldwide knows Chelsea. Players still prefer to sign for Chelsea over other teams and it takes more than a blip in form to remove stature. Of course Chelsea is a still a world class club.
Simon definitely has the gift of the gab so I can see where he made his money 😮😅
Battersea pronounced Batter siya is also known as South Chelsea
your know your one of the best one you have something no 1 else has.... so you can have 5 great at a table... sir alex, time and did the big 3 first (in england), wenger , time & unbeaten etc... you have to bring something the others dont have......
Sterling should be nowhere near the England squad
Tod Boehly surely paying Simon
Graham is Spurs any where near the standard when you were there? I think not but it is a Big Club no matter what the naysayers may say. I and countless others was mortified when you left at age 18 because your path was blocked by the Legendary Dave McKay. We still think of you as one of us.
Why some of these Brits like to celebrate near miss? As a Chelsea fan I don't think Gallagher is as good as some make him to be. What he does well is rough people up in the middle of the park but he's not a good passer, he over kicks free kicks and he definitely loses the ball too easily for me. There is much potential in the squad but we lack fight.
I really enjoyed that little show. Great dynamic and knowledge from opposite sides of the table between former owner and former player.
And something that rarely happens Simon giggling in embarrassment, being coy almost saying cut, cut!
Well done Graeme for for getting one over on Simon in a fun way 😂😂
Jordan & Souness = Top LADS Proper Clobbers 💯 Facts
So is Man United, Arsenal, Blackburn, Notts Forest, Juventus, Ajax, Barcelona a top class club? You expect Chelsea to be on top forever?
Simon always defends Chelsea 😂 if it were united he’d be slagging them off left right and centre
6 league titles, not "3 or 4"!!! 5 Premier league titles in last 20 years! Compared to 1 Premier league title in 30 YEARS Souness!!
Liverpool is Krupp’s third club Minz, Dortmund and Liverpool.
*Mainz
Disagree about Ancolotti at Everton, I think he was doing a good job at Everton and was gutted he ditched them for real Madrid again even though it was the right choice in hindsight.... carlo brought in good players and only time dom cal lewin was any good.... but then again it was probably because of him that Everton were deducted points lol
If Arsenal were in the same predicament as Chelsea would you be talking about that? Probably not...
Graham doesn't think Scotland are in the UK.
*Graeme
*is
another conversation that is impossible to prove either way. Sounds like another spotlight for Sourness to talk about his day.
Chelsea began and ended with a younger side than Liverpool in the league cup final… Klopp narrative nonsense… 5/36 🏆
How about the 115 charges
That's not Chelsea, mate.
Thats Man city mate they are talking about Chelsea
Boehly madness just buy every player he can and hope for the best
Did he not finish 10 with Everton. That's not bad
UA-cam should ban this Pod
It’s an international Crime to even ask the question about Ancelotti being World class!
With out Roman they are nothing
And all the brown envelopes, he handed out.
Every club buys players some more successfully than others. Roman brought winners.
@@Wedrinkliberalstears Clearlake are completely legit tho right lads? put your brains together
@@samcurtisrobinson I love clearlake , keep up the good work lads
I like you Graham but Gallagher?😂 hes not on the same level as Cole Palmer 😂
Do not water down chelsea chelsea is a world class club if man city is a world class club chelsea is too.
Graeme please wait for people to stop talking before you start talking thanks fella.
Always coming for Chelsea..! Always!
It's because Chelsea as the villan narrative sells in football
Poch is not needs to go because he is not a Top manager 🤷🏿♂️He acting like he learning on the job🤦🏾
I hope they will all be caught and charged fined points deducted and fined.
I can't get over how much time Simon has for Todd Boehly.
His whole model is built on a misconception that their players will only gain and never lose value. Yeah sure you've spent £105M on Fernandes and £115M on Caicedo and amortised it over many years but what happens if in 2 years you want rid of them? You ain't getting £80M-£85M back for those players. Then think about all those players who aren't even playing? You're definitely making a loss on them.
Now consider that Chelsea won't be getting Champions League football for the second season running but you're running on a Champions League budget.
I think they're in big trouble, I don't see them breaking even this summer, they'll probably get a points deduction and they won't be able to spend like they've done in the past two summers.
Talking about Chelsea, while man United are rotten but named as elite without a world class manager, mentioning city while they’re good now but in the other shows are doomed for ffp, talking about one league winner klopp without ranieri, and ok Tottenham who haven’t done a thing ever but built a great stadium? Arsenal who are nearly there but not quite? Chelsea are Londons champions leagues club ever, ask Simon what cities the best on earth? Apparently not a media mouth peice
So Simon Jordan has money invested in Chelsea !! : 30.30 so is he advising them?
Ed Woodward? The man was an absolute clown. Couldn’t get a deal done to save his life. Not a football man.
Why don't they have at least 1 Chelsea supporter here?
Try a no class club. That fits much better.
Sourness sounds absolutely braindead when argumenting...
He smoked😂😂😂😂😂😂
Take the money men out of english football and liverpool and man utd are the only two world class clubs,maybe arsenal at a push.
Arsenal are def world class. They have history of trophies in the 1930's, they were great in the 1990's/2000's and they are the only club to win the league unbeaten, plus they get street cred for winning it playing good, attractive, attacking football. That's a world class club.