You guys, Jarv, in particular, being honest about the Big Hit album is why I continue to circle back. I know that wasn't easy. Much respect to Hit Boy and Big Hit.
Respect the honesty about Big Hit, he definitely punches in alot but he’s gotten alot better I couldn’t listen to his earlier stuff at all but when he gets help like on Black & White and Gank Move with his daughter he’s not that bad, an HitGirlLena might be the best rapper in the family
What y'all said about Black Thought is the same way I feel about dude like thank you! Cause the way some ppl be talking about Black Thought I swear man 🤦🏽🤦🏽.....he is a good rapper he is dope but people act like he is top 5 or like he's underrated nooo he is rightfully rated because he doesn't have what the elite rappers have.
Summary: Not big-Eminem fans (except for Jarv) trying to say his music isn’t for real black people, since it doesn’t bump well in the whip through the hood.
Lupe, Elzhi, Black Thought, Ran, Nas, Jay, Pun, Reggie, Meth, GZA, Mos, G Rap, Monch= 10 plus I think are lyrically better than Em. Common,Talib, Ab Soul, Kendrick, Cole, AZ, Royce, Aesop, Ras Kass, Kool Keith are just a few I think are equally to Em lyrically. Em difference is he DID have a crazy impact cause he has made some of the best music in Hip Hop History unlike a lot of A1 lyricalist. He has better projects them, the difference is they didnt fall off a cliff musically like Em either. He had a higer high then a lot and a lower low than a lot lol. So it is hard to actually grade Em.
If he was graded properly from the beginning it wouldn't be no justification....for him..the industry gassed him from the jump....most overrated emcee eva...n not close...... .....
uReally put jayZ on that list? or did some1 tell yall that hov on this? and just to spare his feelings of calling it out ("He is OVERRATED") Look at your list again & convince yourself hov really deserve to be there
His last *3* albums along w/his verses & collabs are/were *NOT* teenager music. And tbh neither is this, teens (nowadays) will *not* like this. This is for his og fans & Stans.
@@jamaaldavis7907you're right, for the most part. Kamikaze and Music To Be Murdered By, between the two, had some songs that were dope tho. Everything else tho has been trash. I think some of the b-sides from the new album may end up being good, but I have no expectations of him making a dope, cohesive project at this point.
His music has the highest streams, he breaks records constantly the past 20 years on UA-cam, Spotify. He is the highest selling Rapper to ever live. You guys in this chat make me laugh lol
18:56 "It's gonna be really really hard to recapture that magic [at his age]", but he did. And the charts. Like EVERY CHART WORLDWIDE said he did. This shit a weird take but I like people that aren't haters to voice their opinions. Subbed. Edit: "But nobody asked for this." You are either lying or naive. Every critique of him for the last 15 years is that he was brilliant early on, but that he can't do that again. Every critic of present day Eminem has been asking for this for years. "HE's not even close to the old Em". But he proved that he can still do it. It feels like you don't understand the basic concept of the song and why it was done. You sound like my mom commenting on some hip hop song that she has no context for. Example: My dad moved my car in the early 90's and I had Ice Cube's No Vaseline in the tape deck (yep, old af) and he thought Ice Cube was gay because of the lyrics - and he even questioned me because I was listening to it. In short, so many people have been critiquing him for not being the old Eminem, that he finally responded. I hope that the rest of the album won't be in the same vein, but I think he's smart enough to know what he's doing, and that it won't be. This song was fresh meat for old nostalgic non-hip hop fairweather fans (I don't disagree that it is not the most groundbreaking song ever, but it is fun af). Anyhow. Just discovered your channel seconds ago and I'm only 20 minutes in, so I might hate you even more in a few minutes. (LOL. Just kidding. I love honest discussion.) 22:01 "At least he's trying to give the people what they want." Deeini: "who are the people?!?" seen next... Edit: 21:08 Deeni. Dude. Deeni. Really? You weirdly don't seem to understand. "He's gonna have to REALLY RAP." That is EXACTLY what so many hate him for doing in his later career. He has been REALLY RAPPING for YEARS. Rap God?!? Are you outta your mind? I just listened to a critique of that dude who ghostwrote Benzino's Eminem disses, who said how much he hated the change to the staccato lyrical Eminem. And so many are of that ilk. He simply cannot win whatever he does. It is absurd. He's going to get it from goons from every angle. (Still, love the opinion.) I can't watch anymore, b/c some of this just feels like random Em hate (I will be back though. I won't stop listening to something just because I don't agree.) Edit #3 million: But also 25:10 I think the hardcore Eminem fans - I am actually not one - The Eminem Show was actually my exit - believe that The Marshall Mathers LP is the holy grail....23:00 The Eminem Show was a watered down version. BTW: If you don't know already, listen to Billy Woods. Start with Spongebob.
🔥 TRRT Drake is done. 💯 He shouldn’t have been discussed in the first place. 🔥 Every true hip hop fan (No Drizzy!) knew that K Dot was going to destroy Drake. 🔥 The curtain has been pulled back on that 🤡 💯
You’re delusional. To want him to be bothered is one thing. To act like any human in his position wouldn’t be bothered is something else. This comment really shows how much you care, not the other way around. Drake will be ight, the question is, will you be ight…😅
Em not top 50 all time easily imo. If we just do “lyrical” alone, he “may be” top 20 or 30 imo. But the lyrical convo is more complicated to me and it requires a shared understanding of what is being valued in terms of lyricism because there are so many aspects to lyricism, which does not include content/subject matter. Peace.
I'm not a massive Em fan, but with that said, I'm curious how you justify that he can't crack the top 50. Even with his lack of content, it's a pretty wild take when you consider his technical ability with the pen. I'm interested to know where you think he lacks enough to rank that low.
@@mgopaul27 He is king #1 in corny far as artists in this convo. Content and subject matter do matter in all time convo. He ducked game when we were told he was a battle mc and followed that up by losing to benzino. Depending on you ask, some say he lost to mgk before that. I dont think he has the classics either. I think his pen isn’t as good as people say over time, ducking game didn’t help prove that wrong. So called lyricism can only make up but for so much. It doesn’t matter how lyrical it is if it’s wack and doesn’t stick. Em is mostly a gimmick which is why we got Houdini to remind us. His voice is not the best if we nit-pick. Hope he shows something different on the album. Peace.
@tengofey I'm not completely mad at your take, although I still don't think that takes him out of top 50, it just seems extreme to me. My biggest criticisms are that while he is a tested battle rapper, he's yet to face any real opponent to test his pen. I can't count Benzino, Nick Cannon, Mariah Carey, etc. While I think Game has corny antics, he could have responded to him just to see how he holds up with a true emcee. All the other greats had their pen battle tested with a worthy opponent. And as we already said, the subject matter just isn't often there. As for things like the MGK battle, his voice, or his albums, that's more a matter of opinion. He has a few undeniable storytelling and lyrical classics, i.e. Stan, and his technical ability with his rhyme schemes is pretty damn impressive. You can tell he's a student of the culture.
Ain't nobody checking for East like that. He makes the same albums over and over. Skimmed thru his latest project, and even Mike & Keys production team, couldn't save East from sounding monotonous, ordinary. East is an example of a rapper who needs to be in a group, where there's a voice or two to offset his, while complementing it at the same time.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un I mean at the end of the day this is hip-hop roundtable. I had my issues with Dave East . A lot of what you said was true . I do feel he's gotten better on delivery a different pocket and delivery. Regardless his latest project is good . And for that it should be recognized
Jarv is on point about Em’s single. It’s strictly nostalgia and showing that he still can do it. The beat was a bouncy and catchy alchemist beat and Em was flowing real dope over it. But the lyrics are meh with punchlines... which has been all his singles.
Missed the live, but as always, great show. Good to see @Mase back in the fold, although he's been there in the chat with us this past month or so. Anyhow, on to the topics. First, that Hit, Big Hit @ Alchemist project wont be the BEST project of the year, but so far, imo, it's the HARDEST. Real niggaz know the distinction. It's a 4-mic album imo. Big Hit couldve used a few more guests. That Drug Lord song with him and Boldy James is on constant repeat for me. Benny, Styles P, Tray Deee and Schoolboy Q would've sounded great as guests on these hard beats. As far as Eminem, "Houdini" is trash. That circus beat and that awful hook are something I'll never intentionally listen to again. Imma still check for the album, because there might be some gems on there, and I wanna see how his alter ego, Slim Shady, finally "dies." The Eminem Show and MMLP are classics imo, so I'm not expecting that level of work, but we'll see. Em's borderline top 10 imo. He's not in mines, because his catalogue doesnt match people I have in front of him like Ghostface, Redman and E-40, but you can't tell the story of hip hop without Eminem, so he gets his props. Cardi B versus Bia? Who gives af lol. Drake's new features? All trash. @Cinsere said it right: "He's acting like a thot." Drake's a scorned woman in a man's body at this point. His label-head should make him sit down for the remainder of the year, recalibrate things, and get back to making that empty pop/rap hybrid music that he specializes in. His fan base are not hip hop fans, so give 'em the "bops" and bread & circuses they want. And stick a fork in that Hot 97 Summerjam. It's like the XXL Freshmen cover: has outlived its usefullness.
im a proud alumni of the IVY LEAGUE, KICKing backed to the class of 86, with a Master in CyHology. A hystorian who did the knowledge of that Big Sean verse of AbSoul's HERBERT stemming from what transpired February 14, 2022 from this allegded "assassination" attempt. BIG OL BIG OL CAP on that claim, my guy. "nobody be spinning back to NDOS. Or how nobody be putting respect on CyHi name." Katt Williams voice: "can iSay that again, for the ppl sitting at a rap roundtable, and have been this whole damn time can hear me?" yall claim "nobody be spinning back to NDOS. Or how nobody be putting respect on CyHi name." iAm the only Nobody, who virtually is memorized all hys freestyles and NDOS album verbatim. ill wear my nobody-ness. i dont have the platform to do it. but iKnow 4 kniggas who can. and should. RIGHT NOW.
45:16 MIC DROP! SAY LESS! Or just consider....whos the TI of Trance? the Pac of Polka? who's the Big Pun of Heavy Metal? the OutKast of KPop? at the end of the day, arent we ALL CHAMELONS? there's ONLY 8 different themes that EVERY rapper talks about anyway, in any way.
The em song he produced, the bars, and video was all 🗑️. Got a photo with Dre and alchemist we get his wackness. The outcome was a foregone conclusion because of who he is, so I’m not giving him props for “shaking a table.” It’s the same table that be shook by the same people for last 15 years, we don’t care. Corny and wack lol.
1st: Coop saying the Heart Pt 5 is word salad is crazy lol. 2nd: 10 better lyricists than Em Lupe Black Thought Roc Marci Pun Doom Pharoah Monche Royce Elhzi Mach Hommy Aseop Rock
@@TheRapRoundtable nah yall definitely entitled to yalls opinions, but there’s no way I believe cats with the music acumen yall have, don’t think Cyhi got some bangers!
Jarv without the hat yooo lol
I instantly thought of Jada lol
😂😂
Good to see Masito back 💪🏽
The Em record is a throwaway.
You guys, Jarv, in particular, being honest about the Big Hit album is why I continue to circle back. I know that wasn't easy. Much respect to Hit Boy and Big Hit.
Respect the honesty about Big Hit, he definitely punches in alot but he’s gotten alot better I couldn’t listen to his earlier stuff at all but when he gets help like on Black & White and Gank Move with his daughter he’s not that bad, an HitGirlLena might be the best rapper in the family
only question iWanna know is..
Does the top 10 rappers of all time, correspond (in order) with the top 10 albums of all time?
What y'all said about Black Thought is the same way I feel about dude like thank you! Cause the way some ppl be talking about Black Thought I swear man 🤦🏽🤦🏽.....he is a good rapper he is dope but people act like he is top 5 or like he's underrated nooo he is rightfully rated because he doesn't have what the elite rappers have.
iGotta hear these things uTalking about. what are these things that ONLY ELITE rappers have that somehow black thought's deprived up?
Cin is on demon time 😈 ⏲️and also has his period at the same time 😂
What crowd was black thought moving 😂😂 Cin is super mad
Hit and alchemist couldnt collab for one of the Nas project?? Sheesh
Summary: Not big-Eminem fans (except for Jarv) trying to say his music isn’t for real black people, since it doesn’t bump well in the whip through the hood.
Dope episode.
Homeboy Sandman is crazy with it. Ill Bill, Rass Kas, Edan, Killah Sin
Kamikaze was dope... but I can understand all the other points..
Lupe, Elzhi, Black Thought, Ran, Nas, Jay, Pun, Reggie, Meth, GZA, Mos, G Rap, Monch= 10 plus I think are lyrically better than Em.
Common,Talib, Ab Soul, Kendrick, Cole, AZ, Royce, Aesop, Ras Kass, Kool Keith are just a few I think are equally to Em lyrically.
Em difference is he DID have a crazy impact cause he has made some of the best music in Hip Hop History unlike a lot of A1 lyricalist. He has better projects them, the difference is they didnt fall off a cliff musically like Em either. He had a higer high then a lot and a lower low than a lot lol. So it is hard to actually grade Em.
If he was graded properly from the beginning it wouldn't be no justification....for him..the industry gassed him from the jump....most overrated emcee eva...n not close......
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👍😤😤😤👍👍👍
uReally put jayZ on that list? or did some1 tell yall that hov on this? and just to spare his feelings of calling it out
("He is OVERRATED")
Look at your list again & convince yourself hov really deserve to be there
@@LarrySwishamane em is overrated..bruh...
I like Em new song let's bring hip hop back!
Em music targets teenagers...I used to like Em when I was 13-15 that rebellious time frame. Now I'm too old for his bs
His last *3* albums along
w/his verses & collabs are/were *NOT* teenager music.
And tbh neither is this, teens (nowadays) will *not* like this. This is for his og fans & Stans.
@@catjack8330 Em line..... your booty is heavy duty like diarrhea. What adults find that Em line funny or even fascinating?
@@catjack8330Las 3 ...Eminem hasn't dropped anything wrth speaking off post 99 thru 2002..........20 plus yrs of trash...overrated
@@jamaaldavis7907you're right, for the most part. Kamikaze and Music To Be Murdered By, between the two, had some songs that were dope tho. Everything else tho has been trash. I think some of the b-sides from the new album may end up being good, but I have no expectations of him making a dope, cohesive project at this point.
His music has the highest streams, he breaks records constantly the past 20 years on UA-cam, Spotify. He is the highest selling Rapper to ever live. You guys in this chat make me laugh lol
18:56 "It's gonna be really really hard to recapture that magic [at his age]", but he did. And the charts. Like EVERY CHART WORLDWIDE said he did. This shit a weird take but I like people that aren't haters to voice their opinions. Subbed.
Edit: "But nobody asked for this." You are either lying or naive. Every critique of him for the last 15 years is that he was brilliant early on, but that he can't do that again. Every critic of present day Eminem has been asking for this for years. "HE's not even close to the old Em". But he proved that he can still do it. It feels like you don't understand the basic concept of the song and why it was done. You sound like my mom commenting on some hip hop song that she has no context for. Example: My dad moved my car in the early 90's and I had Ice Cube's No Vaseline in the tape deck (yep, old af) and he thought Ice Cube was gay because of the lyrics - and he even questioned me because I was listening to it.
In short, so many people have been critiquing him for not being the old Eminem, that he finally responded. I hope that the rest of the album won't be in the same vein, but I think he's smart enough to know what he's doing, and that it won't be. This song was fresh meat for old nostalgic non-hip hop fairweather fans (I don't disagree that it is not the most groundbreaking song ever, but it is fun af). Anyhow. Just discovered your channel seconds ago and I'm only 20 minutes in, so I might hate you even more in a few minutes. (LOL. Just kidding. I love honest discussion.) 22:01 "At least he's trying to give the people what they want." Deeini: "who are the people?!?" seen next...
Edit: 21:08 Deeni. Dude. Deeni. Really? You weirdly don't seem to understand. "He's gonna have to REALLY RAP." That is EXACTLY what so many hate him for doing in his later career. He has been REALLY RAPPING for YEARS. Rap God?!? Are you outta your mind? I just listened to a critique of that dude who ghostwrote Benzino's Eminem disses, who said how much he hated the change to the staccato lyrical Eminem. And so many are of that ilk. He simply cannot win whatever he does. It is absurd. He's going to get it from goons from every angle. (Still, love the opinion.)
I can't watch anymore, b/c some of this just feels like random Em hate (I will be back though. I won't stop listening to something just because I don't agree.)
Edit #3 million: But also 25:10 I think the hardcore Eminem fans - I am actually not one - The Eminem Show was actually my exit - believe that The Marshall Mathers LP is the holy grail....23:00 The Eminem Show was a watered down version.
BTW: If you don't know already, listen to Billy Woods. Start with Spongebob.
🔥 TRRT Drake is done. 💯 He shouldn’t have been discussed in the first place.
🔥 Every true hip hop fan (No Drizzy!) knew that K Dot was going to destroy Drake.
🔥 The curtain has been pulled back on that 🤡 💯
Em music for clowns 🤡🤡🤡🤡 period
Im shocked yall didnt find that drake remix hilarious. I think ppl want him to be more bothered than he is
Yo mans spiraling 😂
@dexterdahmer you were gonna say that no matter what lol, yall said that before kendrick put out a single diss track
Bro people don't want him to lay down an take the loss. Fight back bro dude caught a fade now he running around having a laugh
@tebonete he probably doesnt see it that way. You can know the discourse and not mistake it for reality.
You’re delusional. To want him to be bothered is one thing. To act like any human in his position wouldn’t be bothered is something else. This comment really shows how much you care, not the other way around. Drake will be ight, the question is, will you be ight…😅
Em not top 50 all time easily imo. If we just do “lyrical” alone, he “may be” top 20 or 30 imo. But the lyrical convo is more complicated to me and it requires a shared understanding of what is being valued in terms of lyricism because there are so many aspects to lyricism, which does not include content/subject matter. Peace.
I'm not a massive Em fan, but with that said, I'm curious how you justify that he can't crack the top 50. Even with his lack of content, it's a pretty wild take when you consider his technical ability with the pen. I'm interested to know where you think he lacks enough to rank that low.
@@mgopaul27 He is king #1 in corny far as artists in this convo. Content and subject matter do matter in all time convo. He ducked game when we were told he was a battle mc and followed that up by losing to benzino. Depending on you ask, some say he lost to mgk before that. I dont think he has the classics either. I think his pen isn’t as good as people say over time, ducking game didn’t help prove that wrong. So called lyricism can only make up but for so much. It doesn’t matter how lyrical it is if it’s wack and doesn’t stick. Em is mostly a gimmick which is why we got Houdini to remind us. His voice is not the best if we nit-pick.
Hope he shows something different on the album. Peace.
@tengofey I'm not completely mad at your take, although I still don't think that takes him out of top 50, it just seems extreme to me. My biggest criticisms are that while he is a tested battle rapper, he's yet to face any real opponent to test his pen. I can't count Benzino, Nick Cannon, Mariah Carey, etc. While I think Game has corny antics, he could have responded to him just to see how he holds up with a true emcee. All the other greats had their pen battle tested with a worthy opponent. And as we already said, the subject matter just isn't often there.
As for things like the MGK battle, his voice, or his albums, that's more a matter of opinion. He has a few undeniable storytelling and lyrical classics, i.e. Stan, and his technical ability with his rhyme schemes is pretty damn impressive. You can tell he's a student of the culture.
That Eminem track was a decent track and he had some fire bars in there but the chorus...that bloody chorus...he could have edited that shit out.
Em song is trash as uaual
We need them time stamps on the conversations lol. Where is the Dave East album talk . Shit was heat
Ain't nobody checking for East like that. He makes the same albums over and over. Skimmed thru his latest project, and even Mike & Keys production team, couldn't save East from sounding monotonous, ordinary. East is an example of a rapper who needs to be in a group, where there's a voice or two to offset his, while complementing it at the same time.
@@MichaelBrown-ti1un I mean at the end of the day this is hip-hop roundtable. I had my issues with Dave East . A lot of what you said was true . I do feel he's gotten better on delivery a different pocket and delivery. Regardless his latest project is good . And for that it should be recognized
People listen to Dave East !?
Em flows are crazy good
His flows are his best skill, the bars ain’t really there though
Jarv is on point about Em’s single. It’s strictly nostalgia and showing that he still can do it.
The beat was a bouncy and catchy alchemist beat and Em was flowing real dope over it. But the lyrics are meh with punchlines... which has been all his singles.
Ems single accomplishes what it was meant to do and it’s probably going to play a part in the album cuz of the album name title.
The Em record was just for dumb nostalgia fun, and he executed it well, it's not that deep. Lol
Missed the live, but as always, great show. Good to see @Mase back in the fold, although he's been there in the chat with us this past month or so. Anyhow, on to the topics.
First, that Hit, Big Hit @ Alchemist project wont be the BEST project of the year, but so far, imo, it's the HARDEST. Real niggaz know the distinction. It's a 4-mic album imo. Big Hit couldve used a few more guests. That Drug Lord song with him and Boldy James is on constant repeat for me. Benny, Styles P, Tray Deee and Schoolboy Q would've sounded great as guests on these hard beats.
As far as Eminem, "Houdini" is trash. That circus beat and that awful hook are something I'll never intentionally listen to again. Imma still check for the album, because there might be some gems on there, and I wanna see how his alter ego, Slim Shady, finally "dies." The Eminem Show and MMLP are classics imo, so I'm not expecting that level of work, but we'll see.
Em's borderline top 10 imo. He's not in mines, because his catalogue doesnt match people I have in front of him like Ghostface, Redman and E-40, but you can't tell the story of hip hop without Eminem, so he gets his props.
Cardi B versus Bia? Who gives af lol.
Drake's new features? All trash. @Cinsere said it right: "He's acting like a thot." Drake's a scorned woman in a man's body at this point. His label-head should make him sit down for the remainder of the year, recalibrate things, and get back to making that empty pop/rap hybrid music that he specializes in. His fan base are not hip hop fans, so give 'em the "bops" and bread & circuses they want.
And stick a fork in that Hot 97 Summerjam. It's like the XXL Freshmen cover: has outlived its usefullness.
im a proud alumni of the IVY LEAGUE, KICKing backed to the class of 86, with a Master in CyHology. A hystorian who did the knowledge of that Big Sean verse of AbSoul's HERBERT stemming from what transpired February 14, 2022 from this allegded "assassination" attempt.
BIG OL BIG OL CAP on that claim, my guy.
"nobody be spinning back to NDOS. Or how nobody be putting respect on CyHi name."
Katt Williams voice:
"can iSay that again, for the ppl sitting at a rap roundtable, and have been this whole damn time can hear me?"
yall claim "nobody be spinning back to NDOS. Or how nobody be putting respect on CyHi name."
iAm the only Nobody, who virtually is memorized all hys freestyles and NDOS album verbatim. ill wear my nobody-ness.
i dont have the platform to do it.
but iKnow 4 kniggas who can. and should. RIGHT NOW.
45:16 MIC DROP! SAY LESS!
Or just consider....whos the TI of Trance?
the Pac of Polka?
who's the Big Pun of Heavy Metal?
the OutKast of KPop?
at the end of the day, arent we ALL CHAMELONS? there's ONLY 8 different themes that EVERY rapper talks about anyway, in any way.
The em song he produced, the bars, and video was all 🗑️. Got a photo with Dre and alchemist we get his wackness. The outcome was a foregone conclusion because of who he is, so I’m not giving him props for “shaking a table.” It’s the same table that be shook by the same people for last 15 years, we don’t care. Corny and wack lol.
No, he’s not top 10……
Eminem overrated
Em not my cup of tea same as Drake but i will listen to Drake before em
FCKem both frfr 🤔🤔🤔🤔
1st: Coop saying the Heart Pt 5 is word salad is crazy lol.
2nd: 10 better lyricists than Em
Lupe
Black Thought
Roc Marci
Pun
Doom
Pharoah Monche
Royce
Elhzi
Mach Hommy
Aseop Rock
Thats cap
What's cap? @@trustalmighty4090
Phonte better then Em facts 🤔👍🤔
RJ Payne and Ransom better then Em an plenty more 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@kennymac8391plenty more for sure 😅😅😅😅😅
Have yall not listened to CyHi’s albums? Ivy League, and Black History project are nuts! Just say yall ain’t listening
Saying WE THINK the projects ain’t it means we’re not listening because you like it? How does that make sense exactly?
@@TheRapRoundtable nah yall definitely entitled to yalls opinions, but there’s no way I believe cats with the music acumen yall have, don’t think Cyhi got some bangers!
Without me waa dope
Yo that new Dave East tuff
Eminem overrated
Simple