The point about Wrestling being older than Aikido is extremely on spot! It's based on Greek Wrestling from the Ancient Times, which then evolved into Greco-Roman (which is still practiced) and then into Freestyle and Folkstyle
You don't even have to go that far back! Modern collegiate wrestling competitions were being held between universities before Aikido was even invented!
As far as my observations go, every culture in some point develop some form of wrestling. I know you're talking about a specific case, but it's interesting to think how basically everyone agrees that wrestling is one of the most effective ways to fight.
That point is kind of cheating, since basically every culture developed some form of wrestling at the dawn of civilization. The funny bit is even modern, collegiate American wrestling is older than Aikido.
After I watched this video the ad that played was for a book called “Rat Fight” by Jason Hanson. It was a five minute promo containing every cringe trope you’d expect from a former CIA agent who teaches a self defense system.
lethwei is basially muay boran, muay boran is a older version of muay thai that was bare knuckle and involved head butts, but after realising their fighters got CTE before 30, they wondered why, then they realised that bare knuckle boxing and headbutts fucked their fighters up very badly, much worse than muay thai, muay thai isn't healthy either, just not AS bad as muay boran
@@crubrutockcsgo Muay Thai in itself is not unhealthy, excessiveness is. If you have to fight full contact every week to bring bread home of course that will leave a mark on your body sooner or later. But going 2-3 times a week and train normally with light to mid intensity sparring is most likely going to be fine.
@@crubrutockcsgo Modern Lethwei is very similar to modern sport muaythai which is very well tested. Trouble is the Burmese don't have good experienced teachers which are abundant in Thailand. See Lethwei top fighters owned by grade B muaythai fighters. ua-cam.com/video/GRfOX_Gz3wY/v-deo.html&t
his defensive style and low stance don't allow for kicks and knees, but he's still very dangerous. I think Ali’s style is more suitable for fighting without rules or mma
This one is great, loved it! I would also add... If you cant decide, try a month of each of the ones you find interesting, see what you enjoy the most... Anythinf that you enjoy will keep you training more than something that doesnt, no matter how good or bad the art itself is... And its better to do mcdojo wushu tricking for years and never know how to fight, but being basically a circus acrobat, than trying boxing for 3 months and quitting msrtial srts for ever
"...classes can't be too hard." yeah tell that to my old kung fu gym starting the class with 100-150 pushups, similar amount of squats and sometimes up to 450 jumping jacks... as a "warm up". Of course very few people stayed there.
To be honest I think that even point karate which has minimal contact competitions would be better for preparing someone for a fight then something something like Krav Maga or Wing Chun or Kung Fu which I think is by far much worse however I don't think it's really as good as something like kickboxing Judo MMA or something which has full contact competitions. Or in other words I think that point karate is sort of in the middle of the road in terms of effectiveness for fighting and while it's definitely not by any means the worst it's also a far cry from being the best.
Tell me you havent been punched in the face by someone using WC with out tell me you havent been punched in the face by someone using WC ( or poked in the eye ) Ps at some point most of my WC brothers have taken a year plus of boxing cross training by at least year 3 of WC)
@@shaeby8123 Yes After with 30 years boxing plus 7 of WC ( neither do belts ) and blue belt in judo with some semi pro fights in MMA when it was a new sport Also worked a Door in a dive bar
@8123 f your ever in Jax. Fl and want to spar/ie get punched in the face by a old man, bring a mouth guard Ill hook you up on Mats or Concrete You sound like you need a few
I think, if one cannot choose on its own and wants a little bit of everything (striking, grappling, competitions, knife/stick/sword fighting, traditional MAs’ discipline/respect, keeping in shape etc…) then Japanese Ju Jitsu and Yoseikan Budo would do well. Both are well round, both focus on self defence and have mixed technique (striking+grappling) competitions.
99% of traditional jiu jitsu schools suck arse and barely ever spar. i have seen 3rd Dan traditional jiu jitsu Black belt losing with ease with 3 stripe white belt in grappling match. ps. same black belt had done very bad during MMA class as well- just well rounded bullshido is all it is
I can't confirm anything you said because I've never trained in JJJ, but sure it's hard to find a place to train that. I've never seem one gym of traditional japanese Jujutsu.
I think Boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, a version of Karate focused on sparring (yes, karate), or Judo are actually the best way to start a martial journey. After that, even Wing Chun will teach you valuable stuff, cause you will know what to include in your stuff and what to leave behind
What's wrong with starting with BJJ as opposed to Judo? Genuine question. I agree with everything else you said, though I don't think anyone should actually go into Wing Chun, you shouldn't give those hucksters money even if they might teach you a thing or two.
@@GeorgePerakis absolutely nothing wrong with BJJ. Great art, but I feel like it doesn't translate well into other arts. It is quite unique in its approach if you know what I mean.
@@wasabi5338 kyokushin karatekas are tough AF. The only thing that I don't like about it is that they ignore the head. I am a fan of body shots myself, but totally ignoring the head sounds like a bad idea to me
In my opinion for kids, you should see if your school has wrestling team, since it would be free training with plenty of competing as well, and good for athleticism. If wrestling isn’t an option in your school and can’t find it anywhere else I’d recommend Judo . For adults I’d say just choose a martial art that your most comfortable doing or would find the most fun out of this list : Boxing, Kick boxing, Muay Thai , Bjj , Judo, Wrestling , Sambo
All great points except the real Kata athletes… being i’m in karate and personally knowing many them training to make national teams they put in several hours of just physical training on top of training kata routines.
I had another discussion with someone in the comments about this. I determined that I'm a young man and I may have a bias on what "getting in shape" entails. Kata definitely doesn't require as MUCH athleticism as other things, but an overweight 60 year old would probably be overjoyed to be fit enough to do kata. And I failed to recognize the differences in ability and goals that other people might have. So, I admit that kata does require you to be "in shape", but not nearly as athletic as tkd tricking or pro MMA fighters.
@@thac0twenty377 i mean probably but i dont know if any existing conventional kata are as athletically demanding than flipping and doing fuckin super tornado shits for a billion hours or fighting in the ring for a billion hours lol
@@Rex-golf_player810 just my experience? sparring will kick someone's ass everytime no matter how well conditioned from kata. Three are some intrusive wishing forms that have high level gymnastics, but the more leaping and twirling the more the combat aspects have been strained out. That's all the communist China thing back in the 60s I believe
In my honest opinion get hella good at boxing like, do bjj till you st least get to a blue belt. And hit the weights ever so often your an elite fighter
If you're over 19, you have options. BJJ or Boxing probably best If you're 18 or under anything other than (Folkstylye/Youth/High School) Wrestling is the wrong choice.
Great video, @Armchair Violence. I took up judo just over 15 years ago, as a means of learning self-defence after getting assaulted by two men. What I found instead was a pathway to better health (losing 36kg (nearly 80 lbs - I used to be obese) in my first 10 months of training, having amazing experiences and gaining incredible friends along the way. I also received my first degree blackbelt and am now a judo coach, myself. While judo could potentially be used for self-defence, I personally would not bank on it. Most judo clubs/gyms teach judo as a sport, with rules and such, and do not have a self-defence curriculum. I say politely that with respect, as judo is my favourite martial art. After my circumstance 15 years ago, I picked judo for a number of reasons. The judo club I found was close to my home and at the time, I didn't have my driver's license. Next, the judo club I found wasn't expensive and at the time, and I didn't have stable income. I did eventually get a weekend job, but that was to help support myself while I was going through university. Finally, I could attend their classes, as some late afternoons and early evenings, I would be at university for classes, but I could make these judo classes. Basically, I picked what I picked because of convenience. Convenience of cost, convenience of location, and convenience of time. In saying that, while I love judo, I would advise anyone that before picking a martial art, start by finding a club or gym that you are interested in. Are you interested in muay thai? See if there is a muay thai club/gym near you, then look at their costs, class times etc. Same goes with any other martial art(s), whether it's judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), mixed martial arts (MMA) etc. Next, if that martial arts club/gym offers like a free trial or something, try it. This will help you to get a feel for that martial art, to see if it is something that you would like to invest your time, money and ultimately yourself into. Undertaking a free trial can also help you to see if the "culture" or the gym/club is right for you. The culture can seriously make or break people's experiences in martial arts. See how the coach (or coaches) treat their members, and see how the members treat each other. Basically, see if people are having a good time and wanting to be there. I used to train at a judo club a long time ago where the coach was an older gentleman who had an "old school" approach to training. Every training session had to be incredibly hard. If you spoke while training, you were apparently not working hard enough. If you smiled or laughed, you weren't working hard enough. If you weren't lying on the floor in a pool of sweat by the end of the session, you didn't work hard enough. No one enjoyed training here, but they did so out of some strange sense of loyalty... now, a lot of those people who I used to train with? None of them train there anymore, they've all moved on to different judo clubs and/or martial arts in general. Furthermore, a lot of them ended up getting severe injuries, particularly shoulders and knees. My former coach at the time did not believe this was his fault, it was apparently the fault of the members, they were "weak". Seriously, it was some real dumb Cobra Kai style stuff. Hard training has its time and place, and there needs to be hard training, but it needs to be logically structured over a period of time. Every session should not be a "hard session". In a way, it's kind of like lifting weights. For example, you shouldn't be doing a one rep max (1RM) of a deadlift every time you come to the gym. Eventually, you're just going to plateau and you are increasing the likelihood of sustaining an injury. Alternatively, you could always get in touch with said martial arts club/gym and just ask them if you could come and just watch a class. This can also help you to gauge their "culture". In my opinion, the "best" martial arts out there are combat sports that emphasize competition and sparring. Judo, BJJ, MMA, boxing, kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling, sambo etc. But of course, at the end of the day, if a person is looking into a martial art, they need to look at what interests them, followed by availability, cost, time and of course, culture.
It probably does not only depend on the type of martial art you prefer but also on what gyms are available. What do you do if the only gym that teaches your preferred martial art has a culture that doesn't suit your needs.
I'm too old for all this (67). I carry a Dog Repellent pepper spray, a Cold Steel Axe Head Tactical Cane, a 21" S&W heat treated extending baton, a six inch double edged boot knife, and a 3.5 inch folder. I wear wrap around sunglasses ALL THE TIME because of liquid attacks and, of course, heavy boots and gloves (all the time). I'm thinking of getting a stab resistant vest (yes, things are that bad - the homeless here are armed with rifles and shotguns) I live in an urban wasteland Fentanyl Zombie Apocalypse Twilight Zone Nightmare. And, yes, I practice with these items on a regular basis - the zombies are that numerous. I am dead on accurate with the pepper spray. Cheers for your great content!
@@institches2750 Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada on Vancouver Island three hours north of the Provincial Capital. It is a town of about 100,000 in a municipal district of about 115,000. Formerly an economic power house of logging, mining, fishing and milling, now a pathetic wasteland. British Columbia is the California of Canada - a Neo-Marxist Woke Rainbow P'tl Ffile example of the failure of Liberalism. The truly scary part is I, and about 60 other senior citizens, most of them women, are slated to be "reno-victed" soon from a subsidized seniors apartment building and there is just nowhere affordable to rent. So, "ironically" it seems I may be destined to live among the very people I am wary of. How sick is that? However, I do own a pick-up truck in good repair and I am going to be as proactive as I can and see if I can get to Alberta, the Texas of Canada (where I am from), and try and get things to work there. I hope to hit the road at the end of May. At my age this could simply be going home to die - who knows. Fortunately I have been proactive on that issue as well - I have been engaging in a "conscious minded" meditation on the inevitability of DEATH including having seven "life-like" human skulls planted strategically around my small apartment such that every moment I am forced to stare into the Abyss which awaits me ... which awaits us all. Thanks for your interest. (Was that "too much information?") Cheers!
@@kaoskronostyche9939 It was a lot of information, but it sounds like you're in a tough spot. Maybe you can find another assisted place either in the city or a different one? I admire your willingness to make it work even if you have to move for it. If you're moving anyway, you may also find a cheaper place elsewhere, like a less urban location.
@@institches2750 That's the plan. I have measurable cognitive impairment from simply being an isolated senior so it is a bit of a struggle to do the research and send the e-mails and find the information. Also I'm in pretty deep depression so doing anything is like carrying a 500 pound weight everywhere I go ... if I can get out of bed. (TMI again? Sorry) I'm pretty sure I'm going to go back to Alberta and find something there and it could work out well ... or it could end with me freezing to death next winter but I do know I want to get away from this example of failed Liberalism. Perhaps I can become less urban - who knows. Right now I'm sorting, discarding, packing, planning and researching as best I can. Thanks, again, for your interest. Cheers!
Just go around ur area and pick the one that fits ur price range and/or looks the best/coolest, it should work unless u live in like south rural Utah or smth
Would you say that a martial art that is good for fighting requires official sports competition? Could regular and/or intensive sparring against others in your style's community be sufficient without official sports competition?
When I first saw this video I though - great, that's it. Period. Great content. Next! But I stuck with me. Usually people aren't as singleminded as that. They want a complex combination of things. family-like-belonging, longevity, physical play. Unharmful martial competition, friends, meditation and Fun!. These are just what I came up with... There is probably more. And then, yes of course: fitness, self-defence and culture. Now if you want to fight Og learn self defense and that is your sole goal - this video is for you! Hands down What if you want... Hmmmm let's just pick some: longevity, safe competition and culture? Maybe I would recommend trad. Karate or even Tai chi. Okay let's change one: longevity, fitness and culture. So maybe you recommend capoiera? These are not clear cut solutions. My only point is: if you (like me) are motivated by a combination of goals/feelings there are several meaningful choices. I applaude this channels goal of dispensing with martial artist (self) deceit, I just found that this guide undermines some perfectly valid motivations and choices. Love the content. Cheers :-)
With the culture aspect, I think it's worth noting that different subcultures within martial arts can have very different demography and political biases; you're probably going to see very different voting records in a HEMA club than a Krav Maga one, and you're going likely going to see a different gender balance in Capoeira than in BJJ.
It depends on which one you like better and what you want it for. But someone that ONLY does BJJ would probably be able to beat up someone that ONLY does boxing.
Organized competition/ tournaments being something to look for? In karate these generally judge by point sparring which is one of the worst ways to train as it ingrains the terrible habit of stopping after a single good looking strike. I think ongoing sparring is far better. At a BJJ school I trained at they did what I thought was the best training. The sparring would start standing up, with gloves and doing striking. This lasted until one of the fighter did a takedown and the match would just seamlessly and organically go down to the mat and transition into grappling. But tournaments engender very bad habits and don't simulate street encounters.
Although i am quite tall and bulky naturally and look muscular, and despite being 26 yo and 1m90, i run 1 minute and I am dead. I once joinef an MMA club in my area but decided to leave after a few months because each session, they spent more than half the session running and doing cardio exercises and push ups. Of course I understand we must do this, but half the session ? Really ? I came to learn how to defend myself and also to lose weight (i successfully went from 120kg to 85kg after leaving the club with gym and diet though). I felt that as I smoke and have always been tired fast, no matter how many years i spent there, I would always be walking after 2 minutes while the others kept running. I want to learn self defence or fight, I dont want to learn cardio. Was MMA the wrong choice ? Or was it just that place and other places might not be like this ? Am i in the wrong here ? Please dont hesitate to say so. What do you guys recommend me ?
Hey man, sadly no matter what martial art/self defence will involve exercise, dont hold that against it though, I think smoking is stopping you from the things you want to do. I vaped for 4 years and my cardio was bad at first until i quit, by the second week i could run 5 times as far. Good luck on your journey 🫡
i am currently trained 4 styles i would like 5 or 6 styles i want to learn or train in i would like to train either kenpo, judo or karate as either my 5th style once the pandemic is over. i would like to travel any dojo or gym to train
Hahaha if your in fight camp at our gym we you get shark tanked. 3- 3 minute rounds where every minute a new opponent jumps in, it fucken sucks for the guy but fun as. Though I am in E.d with a dislocated shoulder right now so maybe not for everyone.
I've heard that Judo is the best option for people who come from similar backgrounds as me, so I am going to do more research. Who here has training in Judo and what advice do you have for people who are interested in wanting to be trained in Judo?
Depends on what you want to do! For being able to actually fight, I think it's pretty good if you cross train. Judo by itself is fairly limited but Judo plus boxing (as an example) would be very effective. Even on it's own, it's not a terrible choice.
Excuse me, but where did you pick up that you don't have to be in shape for kata competition? Of course you could compete in kata and be not in shape, but you won't win any competitions like that. But that's the same as in any other sport. You can for example compete in tennis, but if you aren't in good shape you probably won't win. No offense though, just curious why you think you don't have to be in shape for doing kata competitions ;)
I think we may be thinking of different levels of athleticism, and it's probably my fault for not communicating that. If someone is obese and unhealthy then, yeah, they aren't going to be able to do kata all that well. They would have to be reasonably healthy. But to do something like professional boxing or TKD tricking, you have to be WAY more than 'reasonably healthy'. You have to be VERY athletic. And this is probably my own personal bias, because I'm in my 20s and I'm in fairly good shape. So, when I think of "getting in shape" I think of world class athletes, not "getting to a healthy BMI". So, I guess a better way to phrase it is that you won't be good at kata if you are in very bad shape, but you don't have to be especially athletic either. I think my own viewpoint probably prevented me from communicating that well. I would generally advise doing something more athletically demanding than kata to get in shape, but I can see how that advice might not apply to someone in their 50s or 60s. Someone in their 60s would probably be very happy if they were able to do high level kata, because that is as much athletic ability as they can reasonably get. And getting someone in their 60s to try and aim for professional fighting or TKD tricking is probably just going to end in injury. I guess you could argue that that section of the video doesn't really apply to people that are older or physically handicapped, and I honestly hadn't considered that perspective before.
@@ArmchairViolence Thanks for your answer. I have to agree that professional fighters or TKD trickers have to be in better shape than if you simply want to do kata competitions. But I have to say that kata can be pretty exhausting. When doing a kata right, I'm completely out of breath. And I wouldn't consider myself being in bad shape, as I'm in my 20is myself and train 4 - 5 days a weak (not saying that I'm anywhere near the level of a professional fighter though). But I personally think of kata as a good exercise for getting someone moderately in shape. And looking at top kata athletes (like Rika Usami in your video) simply has me amazed at how well they can control their body.
@@erikgrohaupt8180 I think it could definitely help people get in moderate shape, but it depends a lot on how much they challenge themselves. Most people do the bare minimum, and kata only becomes a workout when you focus and put in some effort. What martial art do you do, by the way?
@@ArmchairViolence Yeah, that's true. If you don't push yourself, kata won't be very exhausting. I've been doing Shotokan Karate since I was a little child.
Why don't we admit that we practice martial arts because we enjoy the practice itself? Who the fuck is going to expend hours and hours, year after year to prepare for some event that has very low probability of occurrence? And if it hasn't you should probably save the money and move to another neighborhood
It depends on where you live. If you live in Thai cities, you have a very good chance of getting intimidated, while efficient fight camps are widely available. Training just three times a week at legit camp, you'll be able to stand up with confidence after only four months of training. Here is yours truly at 76++ training. I started at 57 and do not have athletic gift. I'm just a regular desk jockey. If I can do it, any body not crippled can and probably better than me. ua-cam.com/video/Dv-vbV25SCQ/v-deo.html
Im stuck between choosing jiu jutso and "Martial Arts" for my 4 yr old, What are you guys thoughts and experience? Especially if you are parents or not, just need more insight
Im a parent older of older and younger kids. The answer is wrestling and tumbling. Later, they can also do kickboxing or MMA to add striking. TKD and karate are okay, but often don't spar enough.
I’m mainly here because I have a lot of pent up anger and as of recently I’ve been accidentally releasing it on my best friend, striking them. I’m here to change who I am and find something that I can release that anger on, any suggestions?
I don't know if martial arts would really help that. "Taking out your anger" on something has been shown to be a counterproductive strategy. When you deal with your anger by punching a pillow, hitting a wall, or even doing martial arts, all that does is teach your brain to consistently respond to anger by hitting things. It can actually make you MORE violent by reinforcing those neural pathways. What you need to do is practice responding to anger in a different, healthier way. It might help to look up different coping strategies to help you address it. Martial arts are great, but I don't know if they would be helpful in addressing personality problems. If anything, the stress of fighting and sparring tends to amplify the personality traits that are already there.
I agree with our host - martial arts would not help at this juncture in your life. Please explore the possibility of some psychotherapy or counselling. Some cities, municipalities, countries even have free or inexpensive short term adult counselling or crisis counselling available. Get some one-on-one and find an Anger Management Course. That you are aware of this is very healthy. Stay healthy and do some self-care and self-healing with the aid of a professional. Best of luck to you. I have anger issues and I know how difficult it is. I have only survived because I managed to seek and find some professional help. Again, good luck.
Maybe instead of doing a class to release your anger try a martial art that is calming and meditative not aggressive or fighting. I dont know others except for the most obvious tai chi but research other ones! Then when you know how to calm yourself down, clear/level headed later on down the road, try a fighting one :)
@@ArmchairViolence Perhaps this is one for the TMA which as you point out don't involve actual fighting anymore but revolve around bowing and katas and respect and patience and spiritual stuff and go out of their way to avoid even sparring. Maybe Aikido?
Very true, and by hundreds of years lol. Tkd is actually a really good example, because it wasn't formed until the mid-1950's. BJJ, muay thai, boxing, krav maga, and wrestling are all significantly older than tkd.
I don't understand where you come from when you say most Kata don't require athleticism to compete (in the note you wrote). Ofc they build athleticism (you have shown R. Usami on video and we have examples such as xiaolin performers. The thing is, athleticism is also required to compete. MMA builds athleticism and also demands it during competition, you ar not required to be in shape to compete in MMA, but you will likely lose. For kata, if you are not athletic enough at the time of the competition you will give a bad athletic performance and lose, just like you would in MMA. Arguably, being in shape is less important for a cage fight, you could be super out of shape but slip a lucky punch and win against all odds but in kata you either are phisically capable of doing the sequence, or you are out. Even competitive tai chi, requires athletes to make pistol squats and dragon squats with perfect balance and form. You literally can't do that stuff unless you are IN shape.
Im with you 99% of the time brother but I actually practice shotokan karate. No, kata will not teach you how to fight but the idea that they do not require athleticism is actually just straight up wrong. Do literally any kata correctly (since you are a martial artist yourself I'd say anything past like 7th/6th kyu curriculum) and it becomes pretty apparent how much lower body strength, coordination, balance, core strength, and flexibility all of them require. And if having those things isn't a part of being in shape or athletic then I don't know what those words mean. If you are fat with beautiful kata it's because you trained them for years and you have those traits, just buried under fat cells. It's like saying you don't have to be in shape to throw punches (it's a literally true statement, just not very valuable to observe). There are even literally fat professional baseball players, but no one would say that being in shape is not part of being good at baseball Rambling, but yeah
Karate is dancing . Real fight brother you gotta have cauliflower ears, that will give you a what you need brotha. Also elbow and knee striking to the brain/ choking .Better than screaming hayahhh😂
When I was taking Krav Maga, I was in the worst shape in my class, and no one stopped to keep me from being left behind. If I needed to stop, I just had to stop. They kept going.
"If your goal is to give your kid discipline. Just pick one. " Well, I would personally try to talk to them first or maybe take away their pocket money... but I guess that works too.
a big part of it is finding a good instructor and dojo/gym, personally i have a PHINOMENAL Kung Fu dojo (Choy Li Fut and Taiji Chen) with a very experienced and skilled Sifu when it comes to sparring, its probably a better place to learn to fight than even some of the boxing and BJJ gyms in town, even though Kung Fu typically gets a lot of slack and hate within the MMA/combat sports community whereas Boxing and BJJ are praised for their effectiveness.
Id say pick the beat trainer near you in a certian type of art.... Grappling, striking.... Not a specific art.... But bein brand new makes that hard to see.
Is MMA really the oldest i feel like before we created martial arts it was to make fighting a lot more safe so i feel like we did have no holds bared mma first then cut it into pieces making it safe and so that we could do these without going back to the hut with perminant damage that limits your next hunt
This one is a no-brainer Brazilian jiu-jitsu aka MMA has everything in one kicking , striking , punching, grappling , takedowns, submission holds , in the combination of American kickboxer AKA Muay Thai , taekwondo and Judo a good combination .
You made a rare fallacy in your analysis here. You said that "if a marital art works particularly well in MMA, that's a pretty good sign" that it is legit. The only two martial art systems which have had success in MMA, without massive modifications, are BJJ and wrestling (i.e. Royce Gracie and Dan Severn); Mark Coleman modified wrestling with ground-and-pound. Boxing is, of course, great for MMA, but it needs to be heavily modified and added with other skillsets from other martial arts. However, if you simply say "boxing works in MMA", then you look at Art Jimmerson's performance at UFC 1 or James 'lights out' Toney's performance against Randy Couture at UFC 118 and you realize that pure boxing does not work well at all in the UFC (neither of these two world champion boxers got a single punch off while on the feet in their matches). So, then you're left with the conclusion, while techniques in boxing work in MMA, the overall system obviously does not. But, if you're only left with pieces of the system, just techniques and maybe training methods, then potentially all martial arts have things they can contribute to MMA to greater or lesser degrees.
Pretty much everything has to be modified for MMA. The less it has to be modified, the better of a sign that is. For example, wrestling only has to be slightly modified. Wing Chun has to be modified so much that it becomes completely unrecognizable. Even BJJ has to be modified from its sport BJJ version. But the moves and strategies are still recognizable as BJJ. The less something has to be modified for MMA, the better the chance that it's legit. Boxing is actually an interesting example because you honestly don't see many people with a boxing base do well in MMA. But I'm not sure if that's because boxing just isn't versatile enough, or if it's because professional boxers get paid so much money that they rarely bother even trying MMA.
@@ArmchairViolence Determining how much a martial art needs to be modified for MMA is a surprisingly difficult criteria to use. I agree that Wing Chun is really only useful in MMA in some aspects of certain techniques. Boxing is obviously also heavily modified for MMA. But how modified would BJJ need to be if 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu wasn't created? And it was specifically created by Eddie Bravo to modify BJJ for MMA. But training no-gi is now commonplace in many, if not most, BJJ schools. Essentially, BJJ doesn't need to be heavily modified for MMA because...it was already heavily modified for MMA. We're probably underestimating just how much wrestling needs to be modified to work in MMA too. Chael Sonnen explained on his UA-cam Channel that roughly 70% of the wrestling he had learned in Greco-Roman Wrestling was useless for MMA, and that is widely considered to be the best style of wrestling to have as a base for MMA. Maybe its simply time to interpret MMA as its own style of martial art, rather than a rule system, because the other arts can't compete individually anymore within its system of fighting? I would definitely agree that wrestling is the best base, that Greco-Roman is the best system of wrestling to use, and it is apparently only 30% applicable to MMA anyways.
The only problem I have with this video is the claim that kata doesn't require athleticism AT THE COMPETITION LEVEL?? that is a truly baffling thing to say. Kata might look easy in terms of cardio, but try doing even the basic ones and getting the hip position and those wide leg stances right in a way that won't make a serious sensei complain. Find me one fat kata Olympian.
To do a solid kata you have to be in shape, I've never seen a fat dude win a kata/poomsae completion not fat shaming but this requires athletism as well. After practicing for about an hour or two including drills to improve balance and sharpen stances you start to break a real sweat
Boxing originated in Ancient Greece as an Olympic sport in 688 BCE (No, I don't mean Pankration), so really it's over a thousand years older than Wing Chun.
Them kata can be tiresome, bro. Some get annoyingly elaborate. I dont like when folks hit you with lineage. Smh. Its like its probably a lie. Can you fight tho?
😅 dude, the martial arts was developed to defend against untrained people because trained people don't go around looking to pick fights with other trained individuals
TKD sucks ,,,it is only good cross training to improve kicks and another MA would be a better choice ... BJJ your going to get injuries disks bulges , torn ligaments ect ect .....very quickly before you have become even moderately sucessfull at BJJ , and it only teaches you half of fighting , You now injured need to train striking ,,,,, Karate especially sport doesnt do full contact sparring and Point sparring is training bad technique into muscle memory from a extremely reactionary art to begin with .....
@@ricksterdrummer2170honestly that would probably be a good person to fight because the MMA fighter can control the fight (specifically just a one-on-one). I would rather fight somebody guaranteed to lose then someone there's a chance that I die
Doing pushups makes you good at fighting for sure.
100%
How ? Cud u pls make a vdo on it ...
They do, Goku told me
@@bondjames-bond7664 um they make you stronger?
@@1ntense796 pushups train the muscles required for alot of things you gotta do in a fight. Pull ups too!
The point about Wrestling being older than Aikido is extremely on spot! It's based on Greek Wrestling from the Ancient Times, which then evolved into Greco-Roman (which is still practiced) and then into Freestyle and Folkstyle
You don't even have to go that far back!
Modern collegiate wrestling competitions were being held between universities before Aikido was even invented!
@@ArmchairViolence Didn't know that!
As far as my observations go, every culture in some point develop some form of wrestling.
I know you're talking about a specific case, but it's interesting to think how basically everyone agrees that wrestling is one of the most effective ways to fight.
That point is kind of cheating, since basically every culture developed some form of wrestling at the dawn of civilization.
The funny bit is even modern, collegiate American wrestling is older than Aikido.
@@krkngd-wn6xj It would be cheating if they weren't directly related
After I watched this video the ad that played was for a book called “Rat Fight” by Jason Hanson. It was a five minute promo containing every cringe trope you’d expect from a former CIA agent who teaches a self defense system.
I hate when those kind of ads play on my videos. I'll debunk bad martial arts and then UA-cam shows you an ad for one seconds later lol
Lethwei seems to be pretty effective too, it's just less known around the world.
lethwei is basially muay boran, muay boran is a older version of muay thai that was bare knuckle and involved head butts, but after realising their fighters got CTE before 30, they wondered why, then they realised that bare knuckle boxing and headbutts fucked their fighters up very badly, much worse than muay thai, muay thai isn't healthy either, just not AS bad as muay boran
@@crubrutockcsgo Muay Thai in itself is not unhealthy, excessiveness is. If you have to fight full contact every week to bring bread home of course that will leave a mark on your body sooner or later. But going 2-3 times a week and train normally with light to mid intensity sparring is most likely going to be fine.
@@crubrutockcsgo Damn, now I want to train Muay Boran to see what it's like.
Armchair has another video (+ studies to back it up) that bareknockle causes far less brain damage than padded. @@crubrutockcsgo
@@crubrutockcsgo Modern Lethwei is very similar to modern sport muaythai which is very well tested. Trouble is the Burmese don't have good experienced teachers which are abundant in Thailand. See Lethwei top fighters owned by grade B muaythai fighters.
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Today’s Mike Tyson could kick most people’s asses. He’s still crazy fast.
his defensive style and low stance don't allow for kicks and knees, but he's still very dangerous. I think Ali’s style is more suitable for fighting without rules or mma
This aged bad
@@shomariboulet It didn't. Mike Tyson could kick an average Joe's ass.
Oh man I’m stoked to be able to say I was here when your sub count was in the five hundreds. You’re going places, man.
Just replying so that U can see this comment U left 2 years ago tbh
This one is great, loved it! I would also add... If you cant decide, try a month of each of the ones you find interesting, see what you enjoy the most... Anythinf that you enjoy will keep you training more than something that doesnt, no matter how good or bad the art itself is... And its better to do mcdojo wushu tricking for years and never know how to fight, but being basically a circus acrobat, than trying boxing for 3 months and quitting msrtial srts for ever
if I had to pick five martial arts I would love to do they would be (boxing) (karate) (kickboxing) (judo) and (Brazilian jiu jitsu)
Too many cooks spoil the broth. With just muaythai and BJJ, you're good to go.
@@sportmuaythaiv1045judo and kickboxing is a great combo.
Judo is a good starting point for young kids ,later MMA,etc..starting at the age 16years is a good base ,greetings.
I’m exactly on that same path
"...classes can't be too hard."
yeah tell that to my old kung fu gym starting the class with 100-150 pushups, similar amount of squats and sometimes up to 450 jumping jacks... as a "warm up".
Of course very few people stayed there.
kinda funny because 100+ reps is just pointless. stimulus to fatigue ratio ✍️
To be honest I think that even point karate which has minimal contact competitions would be better for preparing someone for a fight then something something like Krav Maga or Wing Chun or Kung Fu which I think is by far much worse however I don't think it's really as good as something like kickboxing Judo MMA or something which has full contact competitions. Or in other words I think that point karate is sort of in the middle of the road in terms of effectiveness for fighting and while it's definitely not by any means the worst it's also a far cry from being the best.
Tell me you havent been punched in the face by someone using WC with out tell me you havent been punched in the face by someone using WC ( or poked in the eye ) Ps at some point most of my WC brothers have taken a year plus of boxing cross training by at least year 3 of WC)
@@edstringer1138 Oh, so you got punched in the face by boxers, got it
@@shaeby8123 Yes After with 30 years boxing plus 7 of WC ( neither do belts ) and blue belt in judo with some semi pro fights in MMA when it was a new sport Also worked a Door in a dive bar
@8123 f your ever in Jax. Fl and want to spar/ie get punched in the face by a old man, bring a mouth guard Ill hook you up on Mats or Concrete You sound like you need a few
Bruh Karate isn't better than Kung Fu
I think, if one cannot choose on its own and wants a little bit of everything (striking, grappling, competitions, knife/stick/sword fighting, traditional MAs’ discipline/respect, keeping in shape etc…) then Japanese Ju Jitsu and Yoseikan Budo would do well. Both are well round, both focus on self defence and have mixed technique (striking+grappling) competitions.
99% of traditional jiu jitsu schools suck arse and barely ever spar. i have seen 3rd Dan traditional jiu jitsu Black belt losing with ease with 3 stripe white belt in grappling match. ps. same black belt had done very bad during MMA class as well- just well rounded bullshido is all it is
I can't confirm anything you said because I've never trained in JJJ, but sure it's hard to find a place to train that.
I've never seem one gym of traditional japanese Jujutsu.
Do FMA that does striking and grappling to. Depending on the gym
I think Boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, a version of Karate focused on sparring (yes, karate), or Judo are actually the best way to start a martial journey.
After that, even Wing Chun will teach you valuable stuff, cause you will know what to include in your stuff and what to leave behind
Akkido has very good techniques too. But you need a lot of prior knowledge to pick out what works
yep, can confirm. Been doing kyokushin and its pretty tough. Its basically bareknuckle prototype Dutch Kickboxing
What's wrong with starting with BJJ as opposed to Judo?
Genuine question. I agree with everything else you said, though I don't think anyone should actually go into Wing Chun, you shouldn't give those hucksters money even if they might teach you a thing or two.
@@GeorgePerakis absolutely nothing wrong with BJJ. Great art, but I feel like it doesn't translate well into other arts. It is quite unique in its approach if you know what I mean.
@@wasabi5338 kyokushin karatekas are tough AF. The only thing that I don't like about it is that they ignore the head. I am a fan of body shots myself, but totally ignoring the head sounds like a bad idea to me
In my opinion for kids, you should see if your school has wrestling team, since it would be free training with plenty of competing as well, and good for athleticism. If wrestling isn’t an option in your school and can’t find it anywhere else I’d recommend Judo . For adults I’d say just choose a martial art that your most comfortable doing or would find the most fun out of this list : Boxing, Kick boxing, Muay Thai , Bjj , Judo, Wrestling , Sambo
Just found this channel, definitely a gem
All great points except the real Kata athletes… being i’m in karate and personally knowing many them training to make national teams they put in several hours of just physical training on top of training kata routines.
I had another discussion with someone in the comments about this. I determined that I'm a young man and I may have a bias on what "getting in shape" entails. Kata definitely doesn't require as MUCH athleticism as other things, but an overweight 60 year old would probably be overjoyed to be fit enough to do kata. And I failed to recognize the differences in ability and goals that other people might have.
So, I admit that kata does require you to be "in shape", but not nearly as athletic as tkd tricking or pro MMA fighters.
@@ArmchairViolence depends on the kata, really
@@thac0twenty377 i mean probably but i dont know if any existing conventional kata are as athletically demanding than flipping and doing fuckin super tornado shits for a billion hours or fighting in the ring for a billion hours lol
@@Rex-golf_player810 just my experience? sparring will kick someone's ass everytime no matter how well conditioned from kata. Three are some intrusive wishing forms that have high level gymnastics, but the more leaping and twirling the more the combat aspects have been strained out. That's all the communist China thing back in the 60s I believe
@@Rex-golf_player810 Chatanyara Kusanku
Sometimes I think MAs should be ranked by how much damage you will take learning and practicing it.
Boxing Will cause the most brain damage
In my honest opinion get hella good at boxing like, do bjj till you st least get to a blue belt. And hit the weights ever so often your an elite fighter
If you're over 19, you have options. BJJ or Boxing probably best
If you're 18 or under anything other than (Folkstylye/Youth/High School) Wrestling is the wrong choice.
Wrong . i started wrestling at 22 and see guys who starts more later. Still the best martial art for me
Boxing, Judo, Muay Thai, Wrestling
Kids should do either wrestling or judo to help develop athleticism, everything else can wait.
Great video, @Armchair Violence.
I took up judo just over 15 years ago, as a means of learning self-defence after getting assaulted by two men. What I found instead was a pathway to better health (losing 36kg (nearly 80 lbs - I used to be obese) in my first 10 months of training, having amazing experiences and gaining incredible friends along the way. I also received my first degree blackbelt and am now a judo coach, myself.
While judo could potentially be used for self-defence, I personally would not bank on it. Most judo clubs/gyms teach judo as a sport, with rules and such, and do not have a self-defence curriculum. I say politely that with respect, as judo is my favourite martial art.
After my circumstance 15 years ago, I picked judo for a number of reasons. The judo club I found was close to my home and at the time, I didn't have my driver's license. Next, the judo club I found wasn't expensive and at the time, and I didn't have stable income. I did eventually get a weekend job, but that was to help support myself while I was going through university. Finally, I could attend their classes, as some late afternoons and early evenings, I would be at university for classes, but I could make these judo classes.
Basically, I picked what I picked because of convenience. Convenience of cost, convenience of location, and convenience of time.
In saying that, while I love judo, I would advise anyone that before picking a martial art, start by finding a club or gym that you are interested in. Are you interested in muay thai? See if there is a muay thai club/gym near you, then look at their costs, class times etc. Same goes with any other martial art(s), whether it's judo, Brazilian jiu-jitsu (BJJ), mixed martial arts (MMA) etc.
Next, if that martial arts club/gym offers like a free trial or something, try it. This will help you to get a feel for that martial art, to see if it is something that you would like to invest your time, money and ultimately yourself into.
Undertaking a free trial can also help you to see if the "culture" or the gym/club is right for you. The culture can seriously make or break people's experiences in martial arts. See how the coach (or coaches) treat their members, and see how the members treat each other. Basically, see if people are having a good time and wanting to be there.
I used to train at a judo club a long time ago where the coach was an older gentleman who had an "old school" approach to training. Every training session had to be incredibly hard. If you spoke while training, you were apparently not working hard enough. If you smiled or laughed, you weren't working hard enough. If you weren't lying on the floor in a pool of sweat by the end of the session, you didn't work hard enough. No one enjoyed training here, but they did so out of some strange sense of loyalty... now, a lot of those people who I used to train with? None of them train there anymore, they've all moved on to different judo clubs and/or martial arts in general. Furthermore, a lot of them ended up getting severe injuries, particularly shoulders and knees. My former coach at the time did not believe this was his fault, it was apparently the fault of the members, they were "weak". Seriously, it was some real dumb Cobra Kai style stuff.
Hard training has its time and place, and there needs to be hard training, but it needs to be logically structured over a period of time. Every session should not be a "hard session". In a way, it's kind of like lifting weights. For example, you shouldn't be doing a one rep max (1RM) of a deadlift every time you come to the gym. Eventually, you're just going to plateau and you are increasing the likelihood of sustaining an injury.
Alternatively, you could always get in touch with said martial arts club/gym and just ask them if you could come and just watch a class. This can also help you to gauge their "culture".
In my opinion, the "best" martial arts out there are combat sports that emphasize competition and sparring. Judo, BJJ, MMA, boxing, kick boxing, muay thai, wrestling, sambo etc. But of course, at the end of the day, if a person is looking into a martial art, they need to look at what interests them, followed by availability, cost, time and of course, culture.
It probably does not only depend on the type of martial art you prefer but also on what gyms are available. What do you do if the only gym that teaches your preferred martial art has a culture that doesn't suit your needs.
I'm too old for all this (67). I carry a Dog Repellent pepper spray, a Cold Steel Axe Head Tactical Cane, a 21" S&W heat treated extending baton, a six inch double edged boot knife, and a 3.5 inch folder. I wear wrap around sunglasses ALL THE TIME because of liquid attacks and, of course, heavy boots and gloves (all the time). I'm thinking of getting a stab resistant vest (yes, things are that bad - the homeless here are armed with rifles and shotguns) I live in an urban wasteland Fentanyl Zombie Apocalypse Twilight Zone Nightmare. And, yes, I practice with these items on a regular basis - the zombies are that numerous. I am dead on accurate with the pepper spray. Cheers for your great content!
Where do you live?
@@institches2750 Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada on Vancouver Island three hours north of the Provincial Capital. It is a town of about 100,000 in a municipal district of about 115,000. Formerly an economic power house of logging, mining, fishing and milling, now a pathetic wasteland.
British Columbia is the California of Canada - a Neo-Marxist Woke Rainbow P'tl Ffile example of the failure of Liberalism.
The truly scary part is I, and about 60 other senior citizens, most of them women, are slated to be "reno-victed" soon from a subsidized seniors apartment building and there is just nowhere affordable to rent. So, "ironically" it seems I may be destined to live among the very people I am wary of. How sick is that?
However, I do own a pick-up truck in good repair and I am going to be as proactive as I can and see if I can get to Alberta, the Texas of Canada (where I am from), and try and get things to work there. I hope to hit the road at the end of May.
At my age this could simply be going home to die - who knows. Fortunately I have been proactive on that issue as well - I have been engaging in a "conscious minded" meditation on the inevitability of DEATH including having seven "life-like" human skulls planted strategically around my small apartment such that every moment I am forced to stare into the Abyss which awaits me ... which awaits us all.
Thanks for your interest. (Was that "too much information?")
Cheers!
@@kaoskronostyche9939 It was a lot of information, but it sounds like you're in a tough spot. Maybe you can find another assisted place either in the city or a different one? I admire your willingness to make it work even if you have to move for it. If you're moving anyway, you may also find a cheaper place elsewhere, like a less urban location.
@@institches2750 That's the plan. I have measurable cognitive impairment from simply being an isolated senior so it is a bit of a struggle to do the research and send the e-mails and find the information. Also I'm in pretty deep depression so doing anything is like carrying a 500 pound weight everywhere I go ... if I can get out of bed. (TMI again? Sorry)
I'm pretty sure I'm going to go back to Alberta and find something there and it could work out well ... or it could end with me freezing to death next winter but I do know I want to get away from this example of failed Liberalism.
Perhaps I can become less urban - who knows. Right now I'm sorting, discarding, packing, planning and researching as best I can.
Thanks, again, for your interest. Cheers!
@@kaoskronostyche9939 best luck bro
Just go around ur area and pick the one that fits ur price range and/or looks the best/coolest, it should work unless u live in like south rural Utah or smth
I learned jujitsu but later discovered my lanky and sharp-cornered frame is a lot better for striking.
No harm in combining a grappling art (jujitsu) with a striking art (e.g., boxing)
What is a ''sharp-cornered frame''?
@@kaen4299 Bony with sharp knuckles/elbows/etc
Hey AV, here's hoping we see you at the next Ultimate Self-Defense Championship
Would you say that a martial art that is good for fighting requires official sports competition? Could regular and/or intensive sparring against others in your style's community be sufficient without official sports competition?
I have a video that answers this very question!
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Intensive training usually cause some injuries. INTENSIVE...
When I first saw this video I though - great, that's it. Period. Great content. Next!
But I stuck with me.
Usually people aren't as singleminded as that. They want a complex combination of things.
family-like-belonging, longevity, physical play. Unharmful martial competition, friends, meditation and Fun!.
These are just what I came up with... There is probably more.
And then, yes of course: fitness, self-defence and culture.
Now if you want to fight Og learn self defense and that is your sole goal - this video is for you! Hands down
What if you want... Hmmmm let's just pick some: longevity, safe competition and culture?
Maybe I would recommend trad. Karate or even Tai chi.
Okay let's change one: longevity, fitness and culture. So maybe you recommend capoiera?
These are not clear cut solutions. My only point is: if you (like me) are motivated by a combination of goals/feelings there are several meaningful choices.
I applaude this channels goal of dispensing with martial artist (self) deceit, I just found that this guide undermines some perfectly valid motivations and choices.
Love the content. Cheers :-)
“What’s a good martial art I should take”
What’s close, in your price range, not clearly a cult, and something you would actually put in effort for?
Close to your house, you can afford, and one you have fun in/enjoy...just like icy mike said 😂
I picked for my son the styles that my dad had done and another I have done, plus a few more I wish I had done with I was younger.
Another solid vid, keep it up.
With the culture aspect, I think it's worth noting that different subcultures within martial arts can have very different demography and political biases; you're probably going to see very different voting records in a HEMA club than a Krav Maga one, and you're going likely going to see a different gender balance in Capoeira than in BJJ.
Just punch your friends, when they punch back, block it. Now you know how to fight.
What would you recommend.... BJJ or Boxing?! I mean.... I don't need an explanation on this but yeah. As a general comparison what you recommend?!
It depends on which one you like better and what you want it for. But someone that ONLY does BJJ would probably be able to beat up someone that ONLY does boxing.
Im actually starting to like this guy...
Competition is the lifeblood of martial arts. Great advice!
Organized competition/ tournaments being something to look for? In karate these generally judge by point sparring which is one of the worst ways to train as it ingrains the terrible habit of stopping after a single good looking strike. I think ongoing sparring is far better. At a BJJ school I trained at they did what I thought was the best training. The sparring would start standing up, with gloves and doing striking. This lasted until one of the fighter did a takedown and the match would just seamlessly and organically go down to the mat and transition into grappling.
But tournaments engender very bad habits and don't simulate street encounters.
Although i am quite tall and bulky naturally and look muscular, and despite being 26 yo and 1m90, i run 1 minute and I am dead. I once joinef an MMA club in my area but decided to leave after a few months because each session, they spent more than half the session running and doing cardio exercises and push ups. Of course I understand we must do this, but half the session ? Really ? I came to learn how to defend myself and also to lose weight (i successfully went from 120kg to 85kg after leaving the club with gym and diet though). I felt that as I smoke and have always been tired fast, no matter how many years i spent there, I would always be walking after 2 minutes while the others kept running.
I want to learn self defence or fight, I dont want to learn cardio.
Was MMA the wrong choice ? Or was it just that place and other places might not be like this ? Am i in the wrong here ? Please dont hesitate to say so.
What do you guys recommend me ?
Hey man, sadly no matter what martial art/self defence will involve exercise, dont hold that against it though, I think smoking is stopping you from the things you want to do. I vaped for 4 years and my cardio was bad at first until i quit, by the second week i could run 5 times as far. Good luck on your journey 🫡
i am currently trained 4 styles
i would like 5 or 6 styles i want to learn or train in
i would like to train either kenpo, judo or karate as either my 5th style once the pandemic is over. i would like to travel any dojo or gym to train
I miss the sparring we had the first school I trained at. One minute rounds where you had to fight for life.
Hahaha if your in fight camp at our gym we you get shark tanked. 3- 3 minute rounds where every minute a new opponent jumps in, it fucken sucks for the guy but fun as.
Though I am in E.d with a dislocated shoulder right now so maybe not for everyone.
Thought the whole “give your kid discipline” thing was going a totally different direction
I've heard that Judo is the best option for people who come from similar backgrounds as me, so I am going to do more research.
Who here has training in Judo and what advice do you have for people who are interested in wanting to be trained in Judo?
i'm a somewhat young teen and watching this video was my gateway into realizing that the dojo i've went to for 8-ish years of my life was for nothing
What did you train
So mma would be better or not?
What about Judo? Or is it to one dimensional?
Depends on what you want to do!
For being able to actually fight, I think it's pretty good if you cross train. Judo by itself is fairly limited but Judo plus boxing (as an example) would be very effective.
Even on it's own, it's not a terrible choice.
Bro am a judoka, judo is perfect
I want to learn how to fight like John wick which one should I choose
Unfortunately, John Wick is fictional, and real fights pretty much never look like that.
However, handgun training would be a good place to start.
Sambo
Mma aint a martial art its a type of competition where any martial art goes aslong as you can make it work
I just checked Jake Mace and now he’s pivoted to off the grid vlogging
Great advice, nice work. Keep it up.
Id say just train. Start with hard style. Get the muscles and bones toughened then branch out
For serious self defense, stop playing around and be ready to break someone fast.
Excuse me, but where did you pick up that you don't have to be in shape for kata competition?
Of course you could compete in kata and be not in shape, but you won't win any competitions like that. But that's the same as in any other sport. You can for example compete in tennis, but if you aren't in good shape you probably won't win.
No offense though, just curious why you think you don't have to be in shape for doing kata competitions ;)
I think we may be thinking of different levels of athleticism, and it's probably my fault for not communicating that. If someone is obese and unhealthy then, yeah, they aren't going to be able to do kata all that well. They would have to be reasonably healthy.
But to do something like professional boxing or TKD tricking, you have to be WAY more than 'reasonably healthy'. You have to be VERY athletic.
And this is probably my own personal bias, because I'm in my 20s and I'm in fairly good shape. So, when I think of "getting in shape" I think of world class athletes, not "getting to a healthy BMI".
So, I guess a better way to phrase it is that you won't be good at kata if you are in very bad shape, but you don't have to be especially athletic either. I think my own viewpoint probably prevented me from communicating that well.
I would generally advise doing something more athletically demanding than kata to get in shape, but I can see how that advice might not apply to someone in their 50s or 60s. Someone in their 60s would probably be very happy if they were able to do high level kata, because that is as much athletic ability as they can reasonably get. And getting someone in their 60s to try and aim for professional fighting or TKD tricking is probably just going to end in injury.
I guess you could argue that that section of the video doesn't really apply to people that are older or physically handicapped, and I honestly hadn't considered that perspective before.
@@ArmchairViolence
Thanks for your answer. I have to agree that professional fighters or TKD trickers have to be in better shape than if you simply want to do kata competitions.
But I have to say that kata can be pretty exhausting. When doing a kata right, I'm completely out of breath. And I wouldn't consider myself being in bad shape, as I'm in my 20is myself and train 4 - 5 days a weak (not saying that I'm anywhere near the level of a professional fighter though). But I personally think of kata as a good exercise for getting someone moderately in shape. And looking at top kata athletes (like Rika Usami in your video) simply has me amazed at how well they can control their body.
@@erikgrohaupt8180 I think it could definitely help people get in moderate shape, but it depends a lot on how much they challenge themselves. Most people do the bare minimum, and kata only becomes a workout when you focus and put in some effort.
What martial art do you do, by the way?
@@ArmchairViolence
Yeah, that's true. If you don't push yourself, kata won't be very exhausting.
I've been doing Shotokan Karate since I was a little child.
@@erikgrohaupt8180 Nice! It's cool that I actually have some traditional martial artists watching my channel!
For mma i choose muay Thai,kyokushin karate, judo
Why don't we admit that we practice martial arts because we enjoy the practice itself? Who the fuck is going to expend hours and hours, year after year to prepare for some event that has very low probability of occurrence? And if it hasn't you should probably save the money and move to another neighborhood
It depends on where you live. If you live in Thai cities, you have a very good chance of getting intimidated, while efficient fight camps are widely available. Training just three times a week at legit camp, you'll be able to stand up with confidence after only four months of training. Here is yours truly at 76++ training. I started at 57 and do not have athletic gift. I'm just a regular desk jockey. If I can do it, any body not crippled can and probably better than me.
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Im stuck between choosing jiu jutso and "Martial Arts" for my 4 yr old,
What are you guys thoughts and experience?
Especially if you are parents or not, just need more insight
Im a parent older of older and younger kids. The answer is wrestling and tumbling. Later, they can also do kickboxing or MMA to add striking. TKD and karate are okay, but often don't spar enough.
Thanks for uploading this video
TLDR: Go and pick one you like
Fantastic video bro
I 100% agree on your take about Katas. How this bs is olympic is beyond me
What if I want to be someone that causes hand to hand encounters?
Just pick the nearest jail and look what kind of service they offer
I’m mainly here because I have a lot of pent up anger and as of recently I’ve been accidentally releasing it on my best friend, striking them. I’m here to change who I am and find something that I can release that anger on, any suggestions?
I don't know if martial arts would really help that. "Taking out your anger" on something has been shown to be a counterproductive strategy. When you deal with your anger by punching a pillow, hitting a wall, or even doing martial arts, all that does is teach your brain to consistently respond to anger by hitting things. It can actually make you MORE violent by reinforcing those neural pathways.
What you need to do is practice responding to anger in a different, healthier way. It might help to look up different coping strategies to help you address it.
Martial arts are great, but I don't know if they would be helpful in addressing personality problems. If anything, the stress of fighting and sparring tends to amplify the personality traits that are already there.
I agree with our host - martial arts would not help at this juncture in your life.
Please explore the possibility of some psychotherapy or counselling. Some cities, municipalities, countries even have free or inexpensive short term adult counselling or crisis counselling available. Get some one-on-one and find an Anger Management Course.
That you are aware of this is very healthy. Stay healthy and do some self-care and self-healing with the aid of a professional.
Best of luck to you. I have anger issues and I know how difficult it is. I have only survived because I managed to seek and find some professional help.
Again, good luck.
Maybe instead of doing a class to release your anger try a martial art that is calming and meditative not aggressive or fighting. I dont know others except for the most obvious tai chi but research other ones! Then when you know how to calm yourself down, clear/level headed later on down the road, try a fighting one :)
@@ArmchairViolence Perhaps this is one for the TMA which as you point out don't involve actual fighting anymore but revolve around bowing and katas and respect and patience and spiritual stuff and go out of their way to avoid even sparring. Maybe Aikido?
Hell mauy thai is older than tkd
Very true, and by hundreds of years lol.
Tkd is actually a really good example, because it wasn't formed until the mid-1950's. BJJ, muay thai, boxing, krav maga, and wrestling are all significantly older than tkd.
@@ArmchairViolence ya Tkd was invented in 1955 and was supposed to be a offshoot of karate from Korea also great video 😁
MMA has been around longer than 30 years, at least if you count Vale Tudo competitions.
I don't understand where you come from when you say most Kata don't require athleticism to compete (in the note you wrote).
Ofc they build athleticism (you have shown R. Usami on video and we have examples such as xiaolin performers.
The thing is, athleticism is also required to compete. MMA builds athleticism and also demands it during competition, you ar not required to be in shape to compete in MMA, but you will likely lose.
For kata, if you are not athletic enough at the time of the competition you will give a bad athletic performance and lose, just like you would in MMA.
Arguably, being in shape is less important for a cage fight, you could be super out of shape but slip a lucky punch and win against all odds but in kata you either are phisically capable of doing the sequence, or you are out.
Even competitive tai chi, requires athletes to make pistol squats and dragon squats with perfect balance and form. You literally can't do that stuff unless you are IN shape.
I love french savate
Im with you 99% of the time brother but I actually practice shotokan karate. No, kata will not teach you how to fight but the idea that they do not require athleticism is actually just straight up wrong. Do literally any kata correctly (since you are a martial artist yourself I'd say anything past like 7th/6th kyu curriculum) and it becomes pretty apparent how much lower body strength, coordination, balance, core strength, and flexibility all of them require. And if having those things isn't a part of being in shape or athletic then I don't know what those words mean.
If you are fat with beautiful kata it's because you trained them for years and you have those traits, just buried under fat cells. It's like saying you don't have to be in shape to throw punches (it's a literally true statement, just not very valuable to observe). There are even literally fat professional baseball players, but no one would say that being in shape is not part of being good at baseball
Rambling, but yeah
Karate is dancing . Real fight brother you gotta have cauliflower ears, that will give you a what you need brotha. Also elbow and knee striking to the brain/ choking .Better than screaming hayahhh😂
why your video format and voice sounds like Elec Enkiri Fitness channel
It's my alter ego channel in which I use an advanced A.I. deep fake motion tracking algorithm to give the appearance that I can lift weights
You mean UFC, that isn't self defense, that is sports combat
Is Greco Roman wrestling good for self defence?
All wrestling is good for self defence!
When I was taking Krav Maga, I was in the worst shape in my class, and no one stopped to keep me from being left behind. If I needed to stop, I just had to stop. They kept going.
"If your goal is to give your kid discipline. Just pick one. " Well, I would personally try to talk to them first or maybe take away their pocket money... but I guess that works too.
a big part of it is finding a good instructor and dojo/gym, personally i have a PHINOMENAL Kung Fu dojo (Choy Li Fut and Taiji Chen) with a very experienced and skilled Sifu when it comes to sparring, its probably a better place to learn to fight than even some of the boxing and BJJ gyms in town, even though Kung Fu typically gets a lot of slack and hate within the MMA/combat sports community whereas Boxing and BJJ are praised for their effectiveness.
Id say pick the beat trainer near you in a certian type of art....
Grappling, striking.... Not a specific art....
But bein brand new makes that hard to see.
Is MMA really the oldest i feel like before we created martial arts it was to make fighting a lot more safe so i feel like we did have no holds bared mma first then cut it into pieces making it safe and so that we could do these without going back to the hut with perminant damage that limits your next hunt
Can smokers do martial arts ?
I just wanna do one that gives me a lot of agility
Best start for older guys?
Probably BJJ. Definitely not Wrestling/Judo
I wanna wrestle but no wrestling gyms here
Where is Ameridote???!!!!
I picked TKD, it was closest.
This one is a no-brainer Brazilian jiu-jitsu aka MMA has everything in one kicking , striking , punching, grappling , takedowns, submission holds , in the combination of American kickboxer AKA Muay Thai , taekwondo and Judo a good combination .
You made a rare fallacy in your analysis here. You said that "if a marital art works particularly well in MMA, that's a pretty good sign" that it is legit. The only two martial art systems which have had success in MMA, without massive modifications, are BJJ and wrestling (i.e. Royce Gracie and Dan Severn); Mark Coleman modified wrestling with ground-and-pound. Boxing is, of course, great for MMA, but it needs to be heavily modified and added with other skillsets from other martial arts.
However, if you simply say "boxing works in MMA", then you look at Art Jimmerson's performance at UFC 1 or James 'lights out' Toney's performance against Randy Couture at UFC 118 and you realize that pure boxing does not work well at all in the UFC (neither of these two world champion boxers got a single punch off while on the feet in their matches).
So, then you're left with the conclusion, while techniques in boxing work in MMA, the overall system obviously does not. But, if you're only left with pieces of the system, just techniques and maybe training methods, then potentially all martial arts have things they can contribute to MMA to greater or lesser degrees.
Pretty much everything has to be modified for MMA. The less it has to be modified, the better of a sign that is. For example, wrestling only has to be slightly modified. Wing Chun has to be modified so much that it becomes completely unrecognizable. Even BJJ has to be modified from its sport BJJ version. But the moves and strategies are still recognizable as BJJ. The less something has to be modified for MMA, the better the chance that it's legit.
Boxing is actually an interesting example because you honestly don't see many people with a boxing base do well in MMA. But I'm not sure if that's because boxing just isn't versatile enough, or if it's because professional boxers get paid so much money that they rarely bother even trying MMA.
@@ArmchairViolence Determining how much a martial art needs to be modified for MMA is a surprisingly difficult criteria to use. I agree that Wing Chun is really only useful in MMA in some aspects of certain techniques. Boxing is obviously also heavily modified for MMA. But how modified would BJJ need to be if 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu wasn't created? And it was specifically created by Eddie Bravo to modify BJJ for MMA. But training no-gi is now commonplace in many, if not most, BJJ schools. Essentially, BJJ doesn't need to be heavily modified for MMA because...it was already heavily modified for MMA.
We're probably underestimating just how much wrestling needs to be modified to work in MMA too. Chael Sonnen explained on his UA-cam Channel that roughly 70% of the wrestling he had learned in Greco-Roman Wrestling was useless for MMA, and that is widely considered to be the best style of wrestling to have as a base for MMA.
Maybe its simply time to interpret MMA as its own style of martial art, rather than a rule system, because the other arts can't compete individually anymore within its system of fighting? I would definitely agree that wrestling is the best base, that Greco-Roman is the best system of wrestling to use, and it is apparently only 30% applicable to MMA anyways.
I love escrima! Nice vid by the way
The only problem I have with this video is the claim that kata doesn't require athleticism AT THE COMPETITION LEVEL??
that is a truly baffling thing to say. Kata might look easy in terms of cardio, but try doing even the basic ones and getting the hip position and those wide leg stances right in a way that won't make a serious sensei complain. Find me one fat kata Olympian.
what are your thoughts on gracie bjj?
It's a great martial art
age 11: WTF Olympic style Taekwondo
age 13: Arnis/Kali/Eskrima
age 16-17: Boxing
age age 23: Muay Thai
Ah yes, let's show the 13 year old how to maul someone with a knife...
To do a solid kata you have to be in shape, I've never seen a fat dude win a kata/poomsae completion not fat shaming but this requires athletism as well. After practicing for about an hour or two including drills to improve balance and sharpen stances you start to break a real sweat
Acutally boxing 1681 is younger in history to wing chun 1666 according its history.
Boxing originated in Ancient Greece as an Olympic sport in 688 BCE (No, I don't mean Pankration), so really it's over a thousand years older than Wing Chun.
What do you think Krav Maga ???
He has a video on Krav Maga, I'm pretty sure.
my martial arts is:
Taekwondo
Karate
Kali
Aikido
Boxing
these martial arts is for self defense purposes and self discipline.
Them kata can be tiresome, bro. Some get annoyingly elaborate.
I dont like when folks hit you with lineage. Smh. Its like its probably a lie. Can you fight tho?
So… 🥋 karate
Systema is the only martial art worth studying
Funny joke
Me here after getting bullied 💀 just need the confidence cuz am short
😅 dude, the martial arts was developed to defend against untrained people because trained people don't go around looking to pick fights with other trained individuals
Or buy a twisted tea... LOLOL jk
TKD sucks ,,,it is only good cross training to improve kicks and another MA would be a better choice ... BJJ your going to get injuries disks bulges , torn ligaments ect ect .....very quickly before you have become even moderately sucessfull at BJJ , and it only teaches you half of fighting , You now injured need to train striking ,,,,, Karate especially sport doesnt do full contact sparring and Point sparring is training bad technique into muscle memory from a extremely reactionary art to begin with .....
Man, I can't wait til you are like 15 years older...I had an identical attitude in my early 20s.
And now your like what?☺️
Competitions have rules, real fights do not.
Exactly. Imagine fighting an MMA fighter that can do anything he wants to you. Scary, huh?
@Michael L sigh
TECHNICALLY they do because when the fights over and you get arrested for damaging somebody past self-defense
@@ricksterdrummer2170honestly that would probably be a good person to fight because the MMA fighter can control the fight (specifically just a one-on-one). I would rather fight somebody guaranteed to lose then someone there's a chance that I die