I definitely needed this video, although I will say if you drop a rappel/belay device and have a bunch of carabiners to set up these you should probably have a second device too 😂
This happened to me once: I was climbing a multipitch with a friend who wasn't very experienced. He dropped his ATC when we were at one of the anchors, and I also only had one, so we couldn't continue. I gave my ATC to him to rappel down and used the technique with four (unlocking) carabiners shown in the video to rappel myself. Worked fine for an emergency rappel down.
I like the method with the two carabiners, it's basically like a figure eight, just using a biner. Gotta try that one. One tip for the munter: If the brake strand is parallel to the load strand, you don't twist the rope. Not a comfortable way to rappel, but it does prevent twisting.
Buy an aluminum or steel rigging ring and pass a bight through, clipping that bight into a (preferably steel locking) carabiner. Clip into the carabiner. Similar to an ATC with one strand. Works better with two strands, and I wouldn’t ever rap on it single strand with less than 10mm rope.
Well the last one with the two biners was the simplest one I think I'll actually be able to remember if I ever get into that situation, which I hope I don't. The other ones I'd have to practice quite a few times. But I should really, really learn to do a munter. Never used one in my life.
I know that most double portaledges are rated for 450 lb but you often see 3 people sleeping in them and I imagine that usually 3 people weigh more than 450 lb. What do you think?
I love your videos and info, but when your doing the demos u might wanna wear a head cam or bite mount gopro because its kinda hard to see what you're doing from the perspective of where your camera is. Just a thought, no offense
That last rappel looks painful, and if the guide hand (top hand) is taken off even momentarily you'll flip and probably die. Obviously taking the brake hand off would be an equally bad idea. Check out the South African abseil/rappel, a much better option for rope only.
Well, if it is a gri gri, let it go..... I had my partner drop his Giga Jul about 200 feet up the climb. Damn. Never did find that thing. This is why we carry big 8 rescue plates. If you butterfinger and drop a big 8, you might want to re-think some life decisions.
Please man, I love your stuff but please edit it, you sometimes say a lot without saying anything, and sometimes you use the wrong words which is an easy mistake but could confuse beginners and finally you did like two or three of these out of frame. Why do educational videos if you don't care enough to edit the for others to actually be educated? All this could be avoided if you prepped some talking points and shot some b roll after your main footage. Please man, I want to be able to share this stuff with my group but it's useless if they can't see how it's done. Take care mate and hope to see better-shot videos in the future.
Yeah I was upset with the way it came out too… problem is just got out of an eye surgery, my tooth is getting pulled tomorrow and I have 100 things on my plate right now, it’s insane. I’m at a point where I’m about to quit to be honest. Was up at 1 am trying to clean this one up believe it or not it was worse.😅 But I tell myself anything is better than nothing so I keep on pushing. When I can get some more time I’ll be able to up my quality, I appreciate it though.
@@BetaClimbers ah yeah I forgot about the eye surgery, sorry about that later, I guess I figured it was shot before that. Something is better than nothing usually but when it doesn't accomplish it's intended reason it may only hurt the channel. No need to quit, just tell your fans that you might be making less complicated videos for a while, whichever they might be. Then when things are going smoothly, make a bunch of videos and keep them in storage for times you get too busy. You're still doing more than most of us who are just watching. I only complain because I love the topic and live your fun spirit. If you want a hand editing during your eye surgery recovery let me know.
@@TarikVann never understood losers that complain about free content, this guy basically taught me to trad climb with the same sometimes-out-of-shot videos and it's never bothered me. He's put hours of educational content up for free and I'd be really pissed off if lazy moaners like you got him to quit by telling him basically not to bother unless it's edited like an infomercial. Don't listen to this guy Josh
@@BetaClimbers i'd suggest the exact opposite. consider finding a wireless remote control for your camera (it exists for various cameras, not all of course) and just never edit anything ever. editing is such an incredible waste of time and nobody should do it. (it should be automated already, what is this 2008? come on machine learning developers)
@@BetaClimbers The mics should be ok. Use a limiter. If your mouth is too close to your mic the amplitude will get too high and clipping occurs. That's why the sound seems distorted.
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Hopefully I don't drop my phone to, and I'd be able to look this video up
I definitely needed this video, although I will say if you drop a rappel/belay device and have a bunch of carabiners to set up these you should probably have a second device too 😂
Regular munter has always been my “go-to”, but these other options are interesting… particularly the old school brake bar with biners.
I have trouble with the normal munter opposed to the super. maybe it’s new ropes, also interested in trying that method
Thank you. Thoroughly enjoyed that video.
Been there, done that. Thank god some random person walked by and tied it to the end of my rope….
Dulfersitz rappel. I learned it just in case. Thank God I never actually had to use it!
VT prussik can be done with any regular prussik,
With VT prussik you can rapp even on tensioned rope
This happened to me once: I was climbing a multipitch with a friend who wasn't very experienced. He dropped his ATC when we were at one of the anchors, and I also only had one, so we couldn't continue. I gave my ATC to him to rappel down and used the technique with four (unlocking) carabiners shown in the video to rappel myself. Worked fine for an emergency rappel down.
You could have just tagged it up
@@Alvinyokatori There was no way out at the top. The route had to be rappeled down in the end anyways.
I like the method with the two carabiners, it's basically like a figure eight, just using a biner. Gotta try that one. One tip for the munter: If the brake strand is parallel to the load strand, you don't twist the rope. Not a comfortable way to rappel, but it does prevent twisting.
By parallel you mean straight up in full brake mode? Straight down might be a little dangerous although still parallel. 😮
Best channel on the tube!
Buy an aluminum or steel rigging ring and pass a bight through, clipping that bight into a (preferably steel locking) carabiner. Clip into the carabiner. Similar to an ATC with one strand. Works better with two strands, and I wouldn’t ever rap on it single strand with less than 10mm rope.
I dropped my belay plate from a single pitch...had my friend toss it back up to me. Luckily he was a good pitcher.
My plan was to downclimb on a prusic im learning this before i go out again
Well the last one with the two biners was the simplest one I think I'll actually be able to remember if I ever get into that situation, which I hope I don't. The other ones I'd have to practice quite a few times. But I should really, really learn to do a munter. Never used one in my life.
Oh yeah for sure a Munter is a must have skill.
practice, practice, practice, and you'll remember them
I just carry 12 ATCs. Problem solved!
I know that most double portaledges are rated for 450 lb but you often see 3 people sleeping in them and I imagine that usually 3 people weigh more than 450 lb. What do you think?
Rappelling on a minters hitch with a 9,2 mm double rope is ok speedwise.
if u drop your rappelling device or anything yell rock very very loudly!!!!
I need to see his "climbing out of here setup". Where is he climbing to? What is he climbing on?
Useful stuff!
In an emergency why not just use one biner and a ranger wrap?
I love your videos and info, but when your doing the demos u might wanna wear a head cam or bite mount gopro because its kinda hard to see what you're doing from the perspective of where your camera is. Just a thought, no offense
Hey, I'm gonna keep bugging you, if you are in Joshua Tree (cali) or Red Rocks in Nevada let me know.
That last rappel looks painful, and if the guide hand (top hand) is taken off even momentarily you'll flip and probably die. Obviously taking the brake hand off would be an equally bad idea. Check out the South African abseil/rappel, a much better option for rope only.
that method was used in the alps before the invention of tha plate. does not only look painful *in high pitched voice
What I learned when I dropped my ATC when I was canyoneering: don’t use an ATC for canyons, and bring a backup figure 8 device. Problem solved
I don't usually climb more than 75 feet do I'd probably just slowly descend with two prusiks if I dropped my grigri lol. I wonder how safe that is?
Yeah your better off with a munter and a prussic back up tbh.
How about the blakes hitch?
Well, if it is a gri gri, let it go.....
I had my partner drop his Giga Jul about 200 feet up the climb.
Damn. Never did find that thing.
This is why we carry big 8 rescue plates.
If you butterfinger and drop a big 8, you might want to re-think some life decisions.
I want to join the cult
I can't imagine that everyones garages are very super cold, why does everyone that does climbing vids wear their puffy or belaying jackets?
Second comment!
Please man, I love your stuff but please edit it, you sometimes say a lot without saying anything, and sometimes you use the wrong words which is an easy mistake but could confuse beginners and finally you did like two or three of these out of frame.
Why do educational videos if you don't care enough to edit the for others to actually be educated?
All this could be avoided if you prepped some talking points and shot some b roll after your main footage.
Please man, I want to be able to share this stuff with my group but it's useless if they can't see how it's done.
Take care mate and hope to see better-shot videos in the future.
Yeah I was upset with the way it came out too… problem is just got out of an eye surgery, my tooth is getting pulled tomorrow and I have 100 things on my plate right now, it’s insane. I’m at a point where I’m about to quit to be honest. Was up at 1 am trying to clean this one up believe it or not it was worse.😅 But I tell myself anything is better than nothing so I keep on pushing. When I can get some more time I’ll be able to up my quality, I appreciate it though.
@@BetaClimbers ah yeah I forgot about the eye surgery, sorry about that later, I guess I figured it was shot before that.
Something is better than nothing usually but when it doesn't accomplish it's intended reason it may only hurt the channel.
No need to quit, just tell your fans that you might be making less complicated videos for a while, whichever they might be.
Then when things are going smoothly, make a bunch of videos and keep them in storage for times you get too busy.
You're still doing more than most of us who are just watching. I only complain because I love the topic and live your fun spirit.
If you want a hand editing during your eye surgery recovery let me know.
@@TarikVann really appreciate that advice. I might just start dumping shorts for now lol 😂 I’ll climb out of this I always do. 🤙🏻
@@TarikVann never understood losers that complain about free content, this guy basically taught me to trad climb with the same sometimes-out-of-shot videos and it's never bothered me. He's put hours of educational content up for free and I'd be really pissed off if lazy moaners like you got him to quit by telling him basically not to bother unless it's edited like an infomercial. Don't listen to this guy Josh
@@BetaClimbers i'd suggest the exact opposite. consider finding a wireless remote control for your camera (it exists for various cameras, not all of course) and just never edit anything ever. editing is such an incredible waste of time and nobody should do it. (it should be automated already, what is this 2008? come on machine learning developers)
the sound is really weird.sorry but i really cant follow this
Time for some new mics 🤔
Weird, sounds fine to me
@@BetaClimbers The mics should be ok. Use a limiter. If your mouth is too close to your mic the amplitude will get too high and clipping occurs. That's why the sound seems distorted.
@@kokushi1988 thanks 🤙🏻
This comment is really weird, sorry but i really can't like this