Real Exorcist Debunks "Exorcism Expert" Who Says Demons Aren't Real
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Experienced exorcist Fr. Carlos Martins responds to a video in which Dr. Joseph Laycock attempts to explain demonic possession from a naturalistic perspective.
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one of Satan's greatest deceptions is making people think he doesn't exist. Praise the Living God!!
spot on! People aren't even prepared to be open minded! One wonders if they are in denial or batting for the other (evil) side!
I think the Better Explanation is that Many People want to be Lied to - and most of time it’s then Lying to Themselves.
It’s Too Chilling to believe and sleep well for them.
Or they may belong to school
of thought where everyone goes to Heaven if they profess Christianity
Protestants shouting Faith Alone contributes to this.
Polls show an overwhelming belief in Angels - belief in demons is Much Lower because it’s Too Chilling for many to contemplate.
Cameron, rightly, has picked up on the fact that the existence of demons and the devil is maybe the best apologetic for the Christians Explanation of the World.
There is So Much good evidence.
Why? How does that make sense? And isn't your god fantasy part ghost, part whisper, and part zombie?
@@highroller-jq3ixHaha why are you so mad at a God you say doesn't exist?? Your comments on many messages say the same thing.. if you don't believe them that's your free will but coming against a bunch of Catholics with literally nothing but some negative comments achieves absolutely nothing.. in fact as a Catholic myself makes my faith stronger knowing you need help and prayer
The priests won't do an exorcism until other physical or mental issues are ruled out. Its a very thorough process
Lol
It's thoroughly batshit at least.
@@highroller-jq3ixHaha why are you so mad at a God you say doesn't exist?? Your comments on many messages say the same thing.. if you don't believe them that's your free will but coming against a bunch of Catholics with literally nothing but some negative comments achieves absolutely nothing.. in fact as a Catholic myself makes my faith stronger knowing you need help and prayer.
@@highroller-jq3ix like yo Mama
@@DM-dk7js Please look up IFS and demons. The folks who developed IFS didn't believe in demons either.
most people don't encounter possession, yet they are already under the influence of the devil in the day to day. listening to father martins only deepened my faith, precisely because it made me understand the ways of the devil and it explained so much of today's cultural malaise.
edited: grammar
That martins guy has children?
@@brettfreeman6929He's Catholic, which I don't believe in the whole sect of 'Christianity,' although I'm sure some are saved. I am a Protestant Christian and I do believe in demons and deliverance, though.
@@brettfreeman6929 Catholic Priests can't become a Priest and then get married as a Priest. They can however have been married and have children, then later in anchange of vocation, become a Priest.
How convenient. Your belief is unfalsifiable.
@@Astromancerguy my belief is not a matter of public debate. it's a personal journey into coming to terms with the unknown and eternal. not something to be falsified by rationalists on a podium.
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities against Powers against the rulers of the darkness of this world against spiritual wickedness in high places
Not all are from YHWH. It's a misunderstanding that almost every Christian human claims.
Darker Forces are eternities older. Eternal as well.
People are lucky that the Dark God isn't in the 3rd Dimension anymore. When the Dark God returns, YHWH will need Lucifer/Satan.
Amen! Put on the😅 body armor of Christ! Sending Love
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
@XxRaliXx
Either YHWH is all Good or omnipotent. As Christians claim.
A God who created the Light, and the Dark is not all Good but is omnipotent.
You can not have it both ways as that is contradiction. Especially given the Pre Old Testament Era.
Darkness is the absence of light
There is no contradiction
It always surprises me how even many believers of various religions (including some Christians) don't believe in demons or the devil. People will say anything from "God is love" to "manifest positive energy", but when you mention demons and possessions they suddenly become sceptics. Feels like they'll believe their horoscope helped them win the lottery, but demonic influence is somehow out of the question.
God IS Love. And demons are real. God's love allows free will and duality. The choice is yours, but don't blame God for the consequences of your actions. If you dwell in the dark, the fallen will find you.
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Why don't they just film an exorcism? Should be pretty easy
Yeah exactly. How u believe in God and not his enemies
Actually this is false. Possession by spirits is an ancient belief that is in almost every religion. Exorcism exists in sects of Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, and some African/Tribal religions. It’s only the modern day secular world that has completely removed the idea of spirits capable of possessing humans. But I agree that the New Age looks at all spirits as benevolent, which is ignorant and even spiritually dangerous
Actually one can be mentally ill and possessed at the same time. How perfect a picture for demons to hide behind.
Yes. I know several possessed mental patients because I work in that field. I have seen many manifestations.
Exactly. So many people can only think either/or and never consider both/and.
Very true
Those with mental illness can certainly have diabolical issues. But usually one takes precedence as the overall cause. For example with the same principle, someone who is drunk can be oppressed while in a drunkard state - but the main initial cause is the drinking. Demons can take advantage of these human issues. But possession takes place when it is the main cause of the issues.
@@vivacristorey4363not a expert, but personal experience. I would suggest demons can use mental illness, trauma etc to ‘attach’ and therefore oppress (this was the personal experience I witness) once the demonic influence was lifted you then have to deal with underlying mental illness.
Possession seems to come more from ‘opening doors’ eg occult practices, tarot cards
It's not "rubbish" when animals start walking on their hind legs, looking you in the eye and smiling at you, holding eye contact, in the darkness. It's not "a load of trash" when your bed groans two feet to the left, with you on top of it. It's not "silly" when three dimensional humanoids made out of darkness itself stalk you in your own home, or when sleep paralysis suddenly affects everyone in your house, despite no one ever having it. It's always ridiculous to the people who so confidently, so arrogantly ridicule something they admit to knowing absolutely nothing about, and have zero experience with.
@@dslkjvoxicuyhgl4554 wow! Amen
I agree with you. I believe these people try to convince themselves it is all rubbish, because they are afraid of the truth. Evil exists, Satan and demons exist, Jesus is the only way and trust in Jesus, follow him, be a child of God and you will never have to fear the netherworld.
@@k9maiden64 I agree 100%, and to be fair, I understand why someone WOULD lie to themselves about such things; the truth is greater, and more overwhelming than any of us could have dared to dream of...The only problem with that, is that we can't afford to. Like you said, Jesus os THE only way. We exist purely by the grace of His mercy. Or we don't. And that's it.
@@k9maiden64 and thank you. Most people online assume everything people say on the internet is bs, but I swear on my immortal soul, I personally saw all of these things and more, it is realer than most will ever know. In fact, it's realer than what we call "life". Older even, than such things... They just have no idea what they're up against, dont know that we're the only ones who care enough to even try and tell them they're wrong, solely to try and help them, even if it makes the whole world think we're nuts.
What animal did you witness walking on their hind legs smiling at you? 😳
Raised Catholic, AND being 1st American born member of my family from VERY superstitious origins, I always knew about the idea of being possessed, but never considered it, as an actual possibility.
That is, until I found myself physically WRESTLING with “something,” that I could not see. Whatever it was, it had a rather intimate knowledge of what frightened me. Things, that I shared with no one. It visited me often enough, that I dreaded having to go to sleep.
It wasn’t until I called on Jesus, and begged for Michael, that it all abruptly ceased.
Think what you want. I KNOW what happened.
…demonic obsession/oppression, rather than possession, according to the Church.
I believe you.
@@BarzOnTheWindow1 Similar experience,mor so with my twin girls(born gifted from God as like me) one is super sensitive to energies but I was very careful to not put ideas into there's heads,just did not wish that they hade inherent this.Until age of 5 they had simple encounters but since age of 5 they(one particular) have every night attack.I needed to answering questions 2 years ago when they with only 5y.o starting asking questions like:Mom who's all that shadow that walk through room or why that women or man ask me for help ,I can't sleep,make them go away...So I started educate them about spirit world and most surprised was when they finished my sentences about things they no possible way to know.Last 2 years they learn so much but they already know so much.Attacks became physically, and only a fact that they do thet right beside me in bed tells me that spiritual war is getting tense. Now I allow them to open and close the portal watching me doing only with my mind and there's a favorite, battle with dark entities.I overpowered everyone one of them and I teach them power is in faith which means NO FEAR what so ever.And preparation like asking God to help ,of course Archangels and when I felt that there are here i use element fire to create portal for souls(they always came after me at our home) and if I do harmonizing until some dark beings appear there, the fire takes a different shape and I do 2 things at once. I didn't want them to have to go through everything that I went through in my childhood, but when we were there, I decided educate them myself, although I must mention again, they know a lot about Angelic beings, energies, and no one taught them, even things, little things that I myself forgot.
@@BarzOnTheWindow1 Sorry If I misspelled something Im from EU.I must ad when I hear that someone convince me that Im in poricanju it's even funny to me because none of those people have developed or were born with empathy so that they can feel mine as they feel theirs. That fact already speaks for itself, and when I see that I can understand someone's opposite opinion and I can descend to his level and he cannot even consider mine, let alone rise to my level of consciousness, there is every further the conversation is redundant.I entered this topic because many are looking for evidence, and if we believe in the existence of the ultimate Creator/God, they don't feel Him, like one blind man said: I believe in God like I believe in Sun. Not because I see them, but because I feel them.I believe you every word,my whole life is walk on the border between the physical and spiritual dimensions, and I can be characterized as a psychiatric case. So let them spend a few days with my daughters, they are already informed about a lot through their own experiences, which is rarely I admit to myself that it scares me because I am afraid that he will surpass my knowledge early.
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If the Catholic Church used exorcism as a way to attract people then there would lots of exorcists, and getting an exorcism would be much easier. The truth is that there are very few authorized exorcists, and that the process for getting an exorcism is more complicated, it involves doctors, psychologists, witnesses, a whole investigation of every particular case. Atheists always try to create theories about things that are beyond human understanding.
Correct... Because of Salem... Correct.
Do not repeat the history of Salem. Evil acts by humans who claimed demons just to drip it all in darkness of their own doing. No real demons. Only human evils.
Every Catholic Parish in the world has a trained exorcist on staff. Our Faith is all about glorifying God & not giving attention to fallen demons.
True
@gilldavis1656 not all parishes. Most diocese. Even then, not all dioceses in the world. We don't have enough here in Australia.
@@gilldavis1656the Bible and Jesus clearly says to look out for demons and remove them from your life as much as possible through repentance and exorcism, prayer and fasting
I have witnessed a deliverance with the Healing mission in London, as prayer backup, I can assure you, demon possession and oppression are real.
Please share your story on this experience.
its pretty sad that one guy's students are so numbed to evil that they have no reaction at all to the exorcist. its a scary movie - but maybe they should watch Nefarious.
50 years ago I was delivered by a Baptist minister. Don't try to tell me they're not real. I was possessed by "legion". I have a rock hard faith because I suffered and my Lord literally Saved me!
What's hard on me is how tainted "the church" is. I have called MANY of the people and churches on UA-cam. None of them want my testimony! 50 years later and these pastors are still afraid of me. 🤫😔
@@desireerose2861that's testifies about their faith and belief not yours, I wouldn't worry if I were you, God knows you and also knows them too, God bless you and keep you safe always ❤️
@@desireerose2861 5:46
@@desireerose2861 A Catholic Priest would not be afraid of you.
@@desireerose2861 what possesses you to believe that "these pastors" are afraid of you?
My local priest was a hardened athiest convert to Catholicism. I pray for the world's conversion. Jesus Christ is Lord.
One of our young priests who was assigned to our parish for a time was also an atheist, now he is a devout priest, he found Jesus and wants everyone to love and know Christ. There is no peace in the material life, nothing, until you realize Jesus is the only way to salvation and happiness.
This sounds like a good start to a movie plot. How about a “Priest” who even became a priest AS an atheist for a host of insincere reasons…turned believer due to a long and sinister exorcism ordeal.
They leave all versions of Protestant faiths, and all that come to a faith in God do so after investigation into the Catholic Church. It seems to supply what there were missing in the other camp.
I was an atheist until I witnessed a failed exorcism..
After that night I was more than aware of the supernatural.
Finally saved by Christ after a radical encounter with Him in 2016.
Jesus Christ is LORD 🙏🏼
Could you tell us what happened?
@@leluyaa suuuuure lol
What did you see?
@@WorkingFromHomeToday452 Cope.
@@axderka me? How so?
I suffered just under five months of very intense demonic oppression and/or partial possession in 2022 (as a Christian)! Also experienced angelic encounters and protections. Very intense spiritual warfare over the course of my entire life, but 2022 was the culmination.
Justin Sturz
How came that? I experience being a devout Christian to be a powerful protection.
I personally have once seen a man in public transport. He looked and behaved absolutely normal. I looked around as I always do- His look swept by and we had fleeting eye contact. That moment I felt the greatest fear I ever experienced. It was just a feeling I got from this guy. Nothing more happened. But it was a lasting experience.
Had I been a devout Christian at that time, I had prayed myfavourite prayer: Lord Jesus, in you I trust.
Still God allows we face evil sometimes to our spiritual grow, if a good thing because that means that we will overcome it with flying colors but still you have to go through the process so just focus on the Lord and don’t be afraid!
If I am not mistaken, according to the Bible, those who have the Holy Spirit dwelling within them cannot be demon possessed. I could be mistaken, but that would suggest it was some level of oppression/attack - or the alternative that the Holy Spirit wasn't inside... But I cannot possibly make that determination. Perhaps somebody who knows more can provide more insight to what the Bible says about this.
Hi friends, ever thought why the believers were called Christians in the book of Acts, it is important to note that those words mentioned in Acts 11:26... first called Christians in Antioch. These words have brought us to some questions. What was their identity before they went in to Antioch? And why were they called Christians?
Firstly we know according to the bible that the disciples are of the Jewish nation. Born Jews, kept the Sabbath, Passover and all customs of the Jews. Paul said in 2 Cor: 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.
God did not call them Christians my friend. Those in Antioch called them Christians.
Why were they called Christians?
The disciples were preaching the doctrine of the resurrection Acts 4:2, And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead some mocked... Acts 17:32; Jesus was the back bone of the doctrine of the resurrection because he died and rose from the tomb 1 Cor. 15:11-14:
So when the disciples went into Antioch they were given this false name "Christians" as a mockery not as an identity of religion; also this was not the only false name mention of the disciples in the bible; also they were called *Niger* Act 13:1.
This false name identified Jewish men as they preach the gospel of the resurrection. That is why Peter said... if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed... 1 peter 4:12
Therefore my friend we must take the true understand of the word Christian according to the bible and not what it represents today. For what Christianity represents today is not the true religion of Jesus.
Question: if the word Christian is so important why is it mention only three times in the entire bible Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 and 1 Peter 4:16?
@@oskytel3780 In the order given,please read these Scriptures:
Matthew 12:43-45
John 20:23
Hebrews 6:4-6
1 Cor 6:9-10
Gal 5:21
Gal 6:1-2
1 Cor 5
2 Cor 2
2 Cor 5:18-21
1 Tim 1:18-20
1 John 5:16
The Screw Tape Letters said, Satan never pulled off anything as effective as he doesn't even exist.
Other than stopping Christians from practicing mental prayer
Are you sure it expressed such an inarticulate load of gibberish?
@JessTarn maybe you should read 1 Timothy 4
@@highroller-jq3ixHaha why are you so mad at a God you say doesn't exist?? Your comments on many messages say the same thing.. if you don't believe them that's your free will but coming against a bunch of Catholics with literally nothing but some negative comments achieves absolutely nothing.. in fact as a Catholic myself makes my faith stronger knowing you need help and prayer.
@@highroller-jq3ixTRUTH is only "a load of gibberish" to the spiritually blind. Real, honest doubt searches for the Light. Mere hardened unbelief wants and remains in the darkness.
First of all exorcist want the person to have a psych evaluation and a medical evaluation. Secondly exorcism is really about prayer.
It is sad how we have fallen away from faith in the Lord and become so intent on disproving God ...
It is sad how gullible idiots continue to be gullible idiots.
Narrow is the path.
@@cortneypatricia9521 Compromised is the brain.
@highroller-jq3ix Yes, "atheists" DO have "compromised brains": "atheists" put blind faith in the belief that a non-programmed-by-a-Mind, unguided-by-a-Mind accident (the brain according to logically-applied atheism) can be "trusted"! Now THAT is BLIND faith.
I’ve said this too. Very sad
I saw a dude leap from one side of my sons bedroom, from the floor. He was crouched in an odd position as he had the palms of his hands & soles of his feet flat to the floor, all at the same time, so he was like a frog when he began the jump. He flew up through the air, all the way across the room, to the opposite wall. He landed on the wall in the same position he began from, crouched down low, knees out, on all four of his extremities, which were flat on the wall! Then he began crawling across the wall sideways, five feet up the wall, one hand & foot at a time... Like a fly! Then his head turned sharply towards ME with an awkward, extremely unnatural speed & motion, sideways like it was going to spin off his neck! His head stopped right at the angle of his eyes meeting mine! It was at that moment that I knew for sure and for real that had been engaged in another war that was apparently going to be a doozy, again! It was at that moment I realized he had returned, bringing seven others much worse with him! If I thought Burbank California in 1989 was intense, I never could have imagined just how wide my mind was about to be blown open. Thank you Jesus! Thank you Mother!
CHRIST IS KING
JESUS CHRIST IS MY LORD AND SAVIOR
Mary wears combat boots!
Amen Alleuia!
Peace be with you!
I scratched my head on that video. The prof already had a conclusion in his head and will never entertain anything outside of it. Even if it is an actual psychiatrist with decades of experience.
Man, closemindedness is the enemy of learning
what proof would you find sufficient other than multiple witnesses' recounts in this case? Since we're talking about a spiritual realm, you need to know that always you'll end up confronted by a question: do I believe? I'm quite certain that even if a serious exorcist showed you a video you'd keep raising the bar and you'd say that it's faked/photoshopped and so on. It'll always be a matter of faith and acceptance that there are things in this world that can't be measured with numbers and are out of the empirical experience. Closemindedness is the enemy of learning.
@@krzysztof5090
Seek proof. Question everything.
Rule out all medication and psychological means, etc.
Then step into the spiritual and extra dimensional stuff.
Because it's either the real thing or people are just acting it up.
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It has more to do with pride than close mindedness. His pride is blinding him from the truth. It takes humility to question your own rigid beliefs. Also being in an academic environment surrounded by atheist ideologues probably doesn’t help.
@JohnnyWalkerBlack142
YHWH is a myth because I researched the historical side of both Testaments. Nothing holds it as the truth but mixed into history.
Christians deny it, but that's their loss. They preach, but it holds no water.
To lie in front of me?!... ... ... I forgive Christians. Like all other religions.
There will come a day when I won't be as benevolent... Mankind.
It's REAL bro, better wise up.
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Oh, they are real for sure.
This person is not a real man of God.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
“Demons don’t exist!” Says a demon 😅.
They will deny their existence to
continue their stealth operations.
Amen! Do not eat the serpent's eggs! In Jesus' name!
Prove they are a demon.
How does one measure a demon exactly?
@@davosholdos1253 No clue, waiting for a clear and consistent standard from people who claim all these possessions.
Yeah everyone who doesn’t believe in demons is a demon 🥴🥴🥴🥴
Father Martins should let this so-called exorcism expert go on one of his exorcisms. That'll change his mind really quickly.
Empirical first-person experience versus rationalistic conclusions. I'd like to see that debate.
Maybe if father Martins had videotaped a person climbing walls or levitating he would have evidence that did not consist of I saw it, take my word for it. His, “we don’t film without the person’s consent” is nonsense. It it easy to obscure a person’s identity digitally.
A-That could present danger to the person in need. B-It could pose a danger to the atheist..which is more than they need to cope with...BUT..C- and most important in the Catholic Church..this is the same as the Confessional..and that is very private.
@@kimlersue The only “danger” it will pose to the atheist is that he/she may die from laughter at the absurdity of trying to get an imaginary entity to leave.
@@horridhenry9920your confidence is sound correct?
Fr. Carlos Martins is a superstar!
Just when you think a question has cornered him.
He comes out with an amazing answer!
Thank you Father! 🙏
Or he comes out with either an equivocation or an unfalsifiable claim.
Pray for him and all exorcists in a special way...daily.
@@kimlersue Pray that your god fantasy grants you the capacity for rationality and critical thinking.
@@highroller-jq3ix Oh...I'd be happy to. And I'll pray for you as well.
@@kimlersue You're a real one. God bless!
On fairies and leprechauns:
"Faerie" originally refers to the entire spirit world, including the world of the dead. Tinkerbell and similar storybook imagery is a very recent development and came about when spirit beings began to be dismissed as "fanciful" in the last couple centuries.
"Leprechauns" are understood in some Irish lore as a category of fallen angel. Again, the image of a little gnome in green pantaloons and a jaunty hat is a recent development.
I can tell you this. When you are given to a dark soul cringing force.. you can not see.. you will know what it is. It will change your life. Nothing I wish on anyone.
It is frightening to your core. Evil is real, my friend.
Not a superstition, etc.
Read the book of ENOCH.
❤
Yes. I know if I could choose my own form it would be a dainty ginger midget.
Actually these things are way older than Christianity or even Judaism so they co-opted these phenomenon.
@@kateofone Belief in the One God predates "Judaism and Christianity". Those are just nicknames for particular manifestations of that belief.
@@Nunya_Bidness_53 Human evolution went from worshipping nature to animals to multiple gods to one God. So you are mistaken on this subject.
I cant BELEEV PEOPLE DONT know demons are real!!! Read a Bible man!!!
How can a book prove the existence of anything you have never seen, heard or touched? The Bible was written by men. Not by demons, today everyone walks around with a video camera in their pocket. And still we have not one video of a person flying in the air, crawling on ceilings. But people with weak minds like yourself will believe anything. Do you really believe Adam and Eve were the first two people on the planet. Then a couple of chapters later they get have 2 sons and both sons get married. Where in the hell did their wives come from? Wow, then Mary has a son and she was a virgin. Do you really believe this crap?
Keep in mind that people who don't believe in the Bible wouldn't even think about demons.
That said, these are usually the same people who believe the same jargon science the government shares.
Elves and dwarves are real too. Read the Hobbit.
Muslims perform exorcisms (Ruqyah) too. Read the Quran!
If you have encountered a demon you know their existence. 😊
Am I the only one who sees the humor in the idea of an expert in a subject that he believes doesn't exist?
😂 yep!
"Expert"
I don't know, I don't think the two notions are contradictory. In an effort to understand other believers, a Christian could become an expert in Hindu theology, despite not believing the Hindu gods exist.
@@Virgilijus87
It's not that they're contradictory. I just find it amusing that one would invest that much effort. It's like atheists who express an "absence" of belief in deities. If belief informs action, what belief informs someone to invest that much effort into arguing against it?
@@JustifiedNonetheless the whole "atheism is just a lack of belief in God" shtick is just a canard they throw out so they don't have to defend their position.
Kinda ironic that the “exorcism expert” never had a case study to back his claim, nor ever been in an exorcism ritual to come up with a rational conclusion…. He based is “research” on reading someone else’s book😂
Father martins is so awesome saw him twice he just finished the Relic of St. Jude tour schedule.
Wheres the debunking? All you had was interviews and hearsay, you didn't debunk anything.
Hindu possessed person taking a Hindu God posture IS evidence that the possessed person is influenced by culture in his/her so called possession. You are proving the atheist right!
I am a Christian but sorry, that does not even qualify as a lame debunking attempt.
Or the demon is manifesting as a false god of Hinduism.
Demon possession is real and it has no race, colour or borders.
Catholic priests are the last resort in most cases where they get delivered and fine afterwards with prayer life.
True. In Muslim culture demons are called jinns? or djinn? Not sure of the spelling but yeah I agree with you. 😊 Every country and every culture has had cases of possession....
@@mik569 Not the same, for the Muslims they can be good or bad. Not sure how that’s helpful at all.
So "real" in the sense that it can be verified by outside parties and confirmed independently under scientifically controlled conditions? Or "real" in the sense that gullible simpletons believe in magic?
@@highroller-jq3ix It can be verified by other parties. And I would say that the tests conducted by exorcists to determine if someone is possessed *would* be repeatable. The problem is getting a large enough sample size, and enough qualified exorcists to participate. It's possible in theory, but I doubt it will happen in practice.
@@mik569in Muslim culture the jinn is the same as man just they're created from smokeless flame. They can't be demons because some are good and believe in God and do good while others lead mankind astray
i lived in a house with a poltergeist for about 6 months it was horrible and nobody wanted to help me I even contacted the catholic church and other churches, luckily I was doing a course about helping people like a social worker for a year and the lady that teaches was a real Christian and she came and chased it out by just reading out of the Bible and rebuking it.
Any true Christian can also do deliverance.
So the two guys trying to debunk the existence of demons are saying that every person who has ever been involved, associated or witnessed a so called possession has watched too many horror movies?? How insulting and ignorant. And he then goes on to say that there’s “coin to be made” from these exorcist movies……..then you could also say that writing a book which is based around the same topic is also a way for “coin to be made” I don’t mean to be rude to these two gentlemen but it’s just frustrating to see people wasting their time and effort and energy on a futile argument.
No? Your not listening
If demons aren't real then what was the tall black silhouette standing at the end of my bed after I woke up from a nightmare? I would love to hear alternative explanations.
That sounds very similar to sleep paralysis, I don’t know much about it but I know it often involves seeing figures in such a way. If that happened to you then I’d recommend looking into it.
@@Capt.Fail. I know what sleep paralysis is and I know that's the materialist atheist explanation, but I don't buy that explanation. Also, to say that it was only a hallucination is a just an assertion based on your atheist presupposition. You don't know that it was a hallucination but because you exist in a paradigm that excludes the possibility of metaphysics you have to resort to that explanation as the only possible one, when in actuality there are other possible explanations.
@@Nick-ij5nt woah, ok, that seems aggressive out of nowhere. Your first post read to me like you had no idea what other possible explanation there could be, so I figured it would be helpful to consider one that is quite common and well-known.
I’m not going to try to convince you otherwise, I was only making a suggestion.
@@Capt.Fail.😂 he was ready for you! I do that sometimes. You get so used to the trolls that you get trigger happy and occasionally innocent comments get the nuke lol. Though I'm not speaking for the guy. Idk. But imo definitely a demon so dont kill me Nick ✌
People who have experienced sleep paralysis have had strange experiences yet some have had strange experiences without sleep paralysis.
There are enough experiences of "ghosts" with intriguing photographs or multiple witnesses that, even their reality exists as electrical patterns within beains, this is a common phenomenon.
Since all reality is internally generated (Plato's Cave) then humans may never capture ghosts in bottles, but they may really exist as experience.
The skeptical wil never be convinced because nothing spiritual can exist.
Years know when I got off drugs in rehab. I felt like I was battling a demon. For real. I had all the symptoms and I got really anti god. This didn’t go away by just staying clean until I asked god to help me. And these spirits came back a few months later. I’m finally back to normal
I want to see how that "exorcism expert" go head to head with Fr. Chad Ripperger too..
They are in the same league. Father Martin's is outstanding.
"Expert:" "demons don't exist"
The world today: "call me they/them"
Shouldn't an "expert" have read the bible? You would think, anyway...
Exorcisms have been documented since the time of Sumeria. Waaaaay before any so-called "influence of cinema." The Sumerians had an "exorcists manual" for crying out loud. 🤦🏾♂️ Academia epically fails every time.
The cinema is actually influenced by reality. Movies are made about what we know, although things are added and made more exciting thru special effects, not the other way around.
I wish you would take off that hat. It gives you a kind of “gangsfer vibe” that doesnt go well with the serious subject matter youre dealing with
The church requires hard evidence and a psych exam.
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Nerd we would like to think you're coming we know you and your mother have a lot of things to do enjoy living in her basement I am pretending like you're no things yet showing what a pathetic idiot you are. You really don't believe in a supernatural why don't you go out look for a go on some ghost tours or something goes somewhere where people say it's really haunted and find out for yourself instead of coming on the computer and acting like a little kid and saying things that you think make you sound cool and interesting like you're some kind of interesting skeptic it's Really pointless when you're Here with a bunch of people that are trolling in his obvious What You Know and. Personally most people who are crazy are making s*** up give themselves awayou there are a lot of different tricks that they do including giving people holy water and saying it's regular water or coming up and putting a little tap of it on the back of their shirt and why they wouldn't ki will give an umbrella of water and tell it and then it's wholly water. But mainly's the eyes and the way they react most of the minute that nobody starts praying for them or pray around them the demon just acts out and when somebody's demonstrate demonically taken over you can tell their eyes look horrific they look like something from another world is there any staring at you and most people cannot handle the stair down of a demon they they will not look like a person they will not look like themselves they will look like something else and 1 day in your life you will see what I mean especially if you go certain places in the world there's a lot of places like in Lord's France near the ancient bad desert the water is supposed to be clean and wholly they take people down there some people have a really bad reaction. Mind you I'm an atheist who's just studied the supernatural 3 years who's flying an hour to be atheist anymore after what I've seen in your death experiences are the final and it really the truth and buy some freakish chance I ended up at a medical clinic with other people who've been resuscitated quite few of them . Supernatural is real and it's all part of just the next dimension just on the other side and you know when you're outside of your body extended the God is there and other beans and it is way more powerful and those evil beings are way worse than you could imagine worse than any movie could ever show but I'll be waiting for you when you die and you will and you have replay of your life and you'll see all the bad things that you've done from the perspective of others and God.
@@ChrisFineganTunes mental evaluation done by doctors usually atheists.
Catholic Church Exorcist get demonized because ppl hear stories of abuse from Evangelical Churches or "Deliverance" Ministers, who people pay money for "Exorcisms" or "Deliverance" not knowing that those nominations are not under the Vatican. When the Roman Catholic Church is asked for help, they do their homework, and make sure its someone who really needs it.
Just listen to the vid. He gives an example of someone having a spectacular reaction to a drop of holy water drpped on their clothes where they couldn't feel it.
@@ChrisFineganTunesthe good ole sunk-cost fallacy is strong within this one..
@@ChrisFineganTunes You mean like what everyone including yourself uses as hard evidence all the time?
Even David Hume admitted the “vast majority” of knowledge everyone believes is based only on the “testimony of others.”
I doubt you’ve personally used the scientific method to establish and observe the reality of black holes. Of course not. You just trust and believe the testimony of scientists that just claim to have already done that. The scientific method itself is actually entirely subjective in the sense you personally must do it to actually claim that as your “evidence” for anything.
Also, I’m waiting to hear how this super intelligent, super aware, and apparently fully cognizant mentally ill person in your scenario that just noticed and reacted to a drop of holy water ALSO somehow fluently spoke a medieval, obscure, Iceland dialect, also knew what the priest was doing 10 years ago in his bedroom, and also could levitate off the chair….
Just stop with the natural explanations. You know full well you can’t explain every test used before exorcism is done so just admit your only explanation is to conclude a massive conspiracy.
After all, you’d have to conclude nigh ALL involved in this are liars exploiting people so yes an atheist’s only recourse is a conspiracy theory ironically.
Really, the only way that’s true is if you have whistleblowers but so far I’ve encountered none. The best kind would be whistleblowers that don’t conveniently deconvert after claiming the churches are all lying but, instead, remains a practicing traditionalist believer (even believing demon possession is real) that maintains they were exploited and the current exorcism activity among the church is a complete farce.
THAT would be convincing counter evidence…I don’t see it anywhere
Father Martins is on an awesome podcast called the Excorcist Files. Check it out everyone! 😃
*Everyone keep praying. God loves the humble and disciplined heart and mind.*
What evidence is there that demons exist or that these incidents happen? 🙃
Testimony is evidence, so the many testimonies and examples offered. :)
In fact, in Court, testimony is usually required to verify physical evidence’s authenticity, including videos. I got to watch my supervisor literally get all video evidence thrown out on said point (Louisianan jurisdiction). :P
@@FuddlyDud While testimony can be considered valid evidence and sometimes as credible as physical evidence, it's important to note that personal accounts, like Michael Brown’s case where multiple testimonies have claimed Brown was shot with his hands up and on his knees when being shot by police. However physical/video evidence does not back up these claims suggesting instead he ran towards police before being shot in the chest. Testimonials alone are not always sufficient evidence because individuals can be biased or prone to misremembering or misinterpreting events. This is why scientific inquiry emphasizes the need for rigorous testing and reinterpretation of findings. It’s also important to note we are questioning the existence of something and with that we are inclined to seek out more reliable evidence especially if there is reasonable suspicion to believe the presence of bias, anxiety, stress, illness, deception, optical illusions, and false memory or any other physiological phenomena is at play.
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The Michael Brown case is an EXCELLENT example since you can analyze said testimonies to see if they are sincere and corroborated. The Obama DOJ did this and found said testimonies unreliable while corroborating the police officer’s. I’d recommend the same analysis with the video’s testimonies. :)
On the scientific inquiry point, the Christian worldview justified said study of nature’s creation. The idea the world is Ordered justified monks using the proto- scientific method in monasteries to test evidence (Scripture) against their theological hypotheticals. Francis Bacon, among others, who formulate this into a study of nature, and some of the most brilliant minds, such as Newton and Heisenberg, believed in said Christian God as both the endpoint of said study and the ultimate justification. :)
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Ok, so let’s take Father Martins, the ex-atheist turning Catholic priest in relation to your listing of things to analyze a testimony for. :)
Can you point to evidence of these attributes you describe?
NOTE: I’d say such attributes are difficult to pinpoint for in-person clinical psychiatrists/psychologists, let alone us laypeople having to deal with said people indirectly. This is why I default to charitable good faith presumptions of folks like Genetically Modified Skeptic and Fr. Martins. Otherwise, I risk far more my biases making said judgments and their accuracy being highly suspect at best (since I can’t actually provide a professional psychological analysis).
@@FuddlyDud Currently, there's no universally accepted method to reliably distinguish between fabrication and genuine memory recall. Human memory is inherently fallible, susceptible to distortion by various factors such as time, emotion, suggestion, and personal biases. This complexity makes it challenging to discern whether someone is deliberately fabricating an account or genuinely recalling an experience inaccurately.
People can unknowingly deceive themselves or others about their experiences, further complicating the process of discernment. Psychological phenomena like confabulation, where false memories are unintentionally created to fill gaps in memory, can also contribute to the confusion between truth and falsehood.
My concern merely lies in the skeptic's approach to navigating these complexities. In situations where the accuracy of testimony is crucial, such as legal proceedings or scientific investigations, relying solely on testimonial evidence without corroborating physical or circumstantial evidence can lead to erroneous conclusions.
This being said I couldn’t prove that Father Martin’s reference to anything incorrectly or the testimonies he gave are illegitimate because I can’t challenge him or his story directly nor the stories of who I assume are dead now. I don’t even have distinct references for alternative evidence that could contradict the stories because there is no physical or photographic or auditory evidence of someone levitating before or now. It just seems too assumptions to rely on stories that can’t be validated through more than testimony considering if it’s a physical phenomenon I should be able to produce some visible proof. I am just pointing out the importance of questioning and testing the world around us so that we can account for alternative explanations.
I really don’t even think father Martin is lying here cause his body language doesn’t convey those suspicions well but despite this with the fact I’ve never seen or experienced supernatural events and was able to explain most of the things that would be supernatural I am more trying to follow the idea I got from a friend, “True critical thinking is the ability to entertain an idea without just accepting it.”
I do believe in the possibility of a god, but I also think our understanding of such a god is not all there. I just like experimenting with existential ideas such as the idea we were created by a higher being trying to understand themselves. Kinda like the way we do with AI and vertical worlds. The way we interpret these supernatural events is far more expensive than God or science sometimes and I’m fine with saying I don’t know when I don’t well also keep a mind open to everyone’s ideas without assuming them to be true.
Comics Skeptic and Ft. Martin are way more equipped in this discussion than I am so I’m waiting to see where the discussion goes from this video.
Demons often attack the imagination via nightmares. If I don't pray before bed at night I leave myself open to attack. Yesterday I laid down for a nap at 3pm because I had early work prior. I didn't remember to pray. I had the most horrifying nightmare that kept changing scenes and I felt trapped in it. I finally realized while dreaming that this was a nightmare, and called out "oh Jesus, stop this nightmare". As soon as I said the Word Jesus, I opened my eyes. I was disoriented at first when awakening - took me quite a while to reorient myself.
omg I had this also many times especially when I was into the occult :S Not anymore thankfully.
but like this one night I was falling asleep and I got this high pitched sound in my ear and felt so weird and then I saw my grandma her sister who died and her face distorted and her mouth opened super wide like some demon. I shot awake just in absolute terror :S I felt like I was in that stage between awake and asleep
That shouldn't be happening on a regular basis. Sounds like the Demon lives in your house and waits to telepathically attack you. Have you thought about kicking it out of your house for good and binding it from coming back or being other demons back? I'd hate for you to have to keep living like that.
I always assumed that the possession accounts in the Bible were examples of mental illness but two things changed my mind. First, I worked in psychiatry (not a dr!) for many years and you soon realise that our knowledge of the mind/brain is about as well rounded as our knowledge of the universe. Great on the face of it but if you dig deep enough - many gaps. Secondly, as I have grown closer to God (by His merciful grace) I find myself under what I can only describe as spiritual attack. Strange dreams of such imagination that I wish I could harness as a dramatist, like I’m Stephen King but only in my sleep! Haha. I see you, satan… you bum.
Oh my gosh, I love how you called Satan a bum! XD
Hello from Italy. I used to be a skeptic long ago, until a friend of mine almost 20 y. ago he asked me if I could take his girlfriend to “a doctor” the following day cause he was busy. I agreed and took his lady to ‘the doctor’. When we arrived in a basilica in a north est city of italy. I was surprised to be met by a couple of big men and a priest. The priest after asking me if I knew about my friend’s problem asked me if I was willing to help ‘em on this session ‘of prayers’. He at first didn’t mention about an exorcism. It was around nine in the evening when the exorcism started, the basilica looked spooky ancient illuminated just by candles to add to the spookiness. If I only knew what I was going to get into I’d have never ever accepted to be there. It was so bizarre, the smirky face of my friend lady, the growling sound, her face at some point transfigured into a swallen face, red eyes, foaming from her mouth, talking and easily switching arcaic languages, mastering latin , ancient greek, knowing hidden things of myself ( she could mention of a quarrel I had with my father before he got ill and eventually died, not even my mom knew about that, adding that I had abandoned him) when I attempted to approach her during a break in which I thought she was liberated while she wasn’t ( all the range of phenomena I witnessed were unbelievably insane, too many to describe here, strange multiple voices sometimes coming from her, now behind me, in a corner down there the next second, very scorcing temperatures here and freezing cold on another side. My legs started to shake for fright ( i tell you I’m not a bit of a chicken at all) at a point. The exorcist had several times to regain my attention cause I was distracted by the presence of a group of invisible people I thought were trying to break into through the sacrestia’s door. Nobody was there. There were only 5 of us in the church.After taking her home that night I headed home around 23.30 , that time I lived with my mom, to find my mom very distressed cause around the time I was in the church coinciding with the start of the exorcism , my mom at home was experiencing the strangest activity ever witnessed in her life, ‘someone’ invisible had been punching kicking and blasting the front door of my house up to a point you could sense as if the house were to collapse for two hours,when you opened the door nobody was there to be found. Neighbours were called cause my mom was very frightened and two families next door would have experienced that phenomena for the next ten months, without any rational explanation. One of these men’s wife was a non believer, the following days approached my mom saying < you know Teresa, after what me and my husband experienced in your house are seriously thinking to go back to church cause we are very scared, my husband Paolo , can no longer sleep after the event>. Afterwards I called the same exorcist to come to my home for blessing the house, he succeeded in liberating the house very slowly over approximately a period of time of ten months and only for having taken my friend to the exorcist ( if I start saying what happened in my house I’d have to write a book). The first time the priest saw me in that basilica he addressed me like this< if you are willing to participate in this you’ll no longer be the same person as you are now > I imagined he said that cause he was eager to wipe that superb smile I had off from my face towards spiritual staff , adding < consider this some kind of catechesis to strenghten your faith>. He was right!!! I can no longer sleep with lights off from time to time still now, despite long time already passed. It’s a mistery! This is all I can say. I would be very interested in hearing what skeptics have to say about this. You cannot explain with rationalism these type of things cause rationality itself is a construct of the mind in the same way buying into all others have to say by gullible people. It’s a knife! It cuts you anyway on both extreme premises perpectives . It’s all true! The fairy tale is true folks!God is real so is the Devil!!! Moreover, after I decided to get closer to church, get the confession and all the sacraments, I started to experience the strangest period of my life, a series of battle withing myself, some misfortunes happened to me in a sequence to shatter everybody on his knees. I stayed in contact with that priest, he once confessed me and I told him about this battle. He gave me a couple of suggests saying < you now are born to a new life, and someone ( he called the devil ‘the acquaintance of the cellar’) doesn’t want you to stay in the right path>. Who knows if God permitted that or the devil itself being used by God to allow that. No rational explanation here nor scientific evidences to be tested on labs, of course I’m the one to know what I had to go through. We are allowed to be skeptics of course, but what we are not allowed is to mock things we have no clue about, this cannot be done. The last but not least , you can’t convince someone who decided not to believe, cause non believers also are clenched in their constructed belief of disbelief. Now I know. Sorry for the long writing.
You should write a book! 🙏
You should write a book. This was phenomenal. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing. I wonder why the priest didn't prepare you properly beforehand. Mainly, receiving the sacrament of reconciliation and Holy Eucharist so that you were protected, so to speak. After listening to countless exorcists, this seems to be common. Did he do this beforehand and you just didn't mention it? If he didn't, I wonder if that is why your mom was later affected and you unknowingly opened a door to the evil.
God bless you and keep you safe. 😊
Why would your friend do you like that? "Hey man take my gf to a doctor who is infact an exorcist"
@@katdunn7934I did not open any door to the Devil, I don’t know why it all happened perhaps it would have to happen period. I can guess there are plans upon ours head for us to happen. You are right when you say the priest didn’t warn me, after few reserches I knew exorcists normally wouldn’t permit for a total stranger to sacramental things to participate to an exorcism, probably things were planned to go that way.
Excellent content, Cameron! You are doing a great work at bringing up the evidential value from these kinds of phenomena.
Dang, great structuring of the video and editing. Perfect topic and such strong evidence for Christianity that’s not used. Thanks Cameron!!
Thanks, I spent a lot of time editing this one! Appreciate the encouragement!
I never used to believe in hauntings until I stayed at my brothers house for 3 months, the room I slept in was haunted, things used to move on the table, the blinds used to rattle & the windows used to get banged at night from 12:00am until 4am, someone else slept in the room & I said nothing until the person said to me "Something is wrong with that room" I now definitely believe in these things, It’s a little hard not to when you see things moving around on a table by itself & blinds rattling without wind & feeling a very heavy feeling in the room.
Bible clearly states ghosts don’t exist
I'm sorry you were terrorized at your brother's house. But now you know. Just think of all the people you can help now because you 100% know 😊.
When we were 15, me and my best friend were standing on a grave laughing at the guys name when an energy shot through us both from the ground up. We ran our asses off. We still talk about it to this day.
Where did this man get the information that the Catholic Church stopped doing exorcisms. This is not difficult for an expert in the field to research . A simple trip to the Vatican would have answered that misconception.
It's a lot easier to answer than taking a trip to the Vatican. There are many other denominations that also do exorcisms. They haven't stopped and I doubt they ever will. Don't need the Vatican for that kind of information. On a different note-the Vatican and the Pope give me the creeps. I do not believe they are what they say they are.
Can someone please share a link to a video of a possession where some of these things happen?
They don't exist
The possession of Emily Rose is based on a real exorcism that was recorded in Germany. It is horrific.
“He’s kind of going in with this presumption that demons don’t exist.”
If you say this you must accept that you are also entering the conversation with a presumption that demons are real.
In observing the arguments with the best faith I can, I would say neither of you are entering the conversation with a presupposition. Under a good faith examination, it should be said that you have both reached conclusions based on evidence rather than prior belief. At worst you are projecting attributes of your own faith onto the opposition. I hope that’s not the case.
I'm not Catholic, the Catholics & others react differently? Bull. This "teacher" is so glib while dismissing Satan's involvement.
The movie the exorcist was inspired by the case in 49 that started in Washington DC and ended in St. Louis. But it was based off of that case and another case from 1928 that happened in Iowa. The physical manifestations that we see in the movie happened in the 1928 case.
I get you guys like making videos, but make sure that you know what you’re talking about. Sorrynotsorry 19:53
Not at CapturingCristianity, but the ones presented on the video. Dudes are as dense as hardwood with similar IQ.
What explains the physics-defying happenings only ever being seen and not recorded by instruments?
This is one of my questions too! I’m treating this like any other claim.
If I witnessed these things, I’d have no problem saying “Okay! So this is happening now…and it’s terrifying!” And I’d want to learn every cultural interpretation that I can about what I’m witnessing.
But we’re not there yet!! And even then- just like science can explain why plutonium is poisonous and not something supernatural (but it does require an understanding of atomic theory)
I’d be interested in what science can reveal about these occurances. Are useful relics exclusively Roman Catholic (as far as we know so far?). What does that mean?
What about Islamic records of jinn possession and how it’s remedied?
Or Hindu?
I’d
That isn't the purpose. As frequently stated, these sessions are never recorded for the sake of victims' privacy. And as for "research", the demonic could easily fool the equipment and skew any "measurements" you might think you're getting. They are a lot smarter than you think, and they lie.
@@BreakingMathPod The special effects are nothing but illusions, anyway. Designed to draw your attention away from the real problem, which is soul murder.
The fact that they are agents who can choose when they act and not random phenomena.
@@BreakingMathPodscience can only comprehend what it can dominate. You cannot dominate beings who are naturally greater than you.
I wish a catholic would quit using "christian"....you gave that up to follow apostasy. The catholic gospel is COMPLETELY contradictory to the Word....Jesus AND Paul incessantly rebuked legalizers in Scripture. It is disrespectful to us who follow Christ. Change the name of your channel to capturing catholicism.
I can see how people today think the Exorcist movie is tame. My mother told me when she was a girl and went to the movies with her friends that movies we consider funny today like Bride of Frankenstein terrified people. She said she remembered at times that women went running out of the theatre screaming they were so frightened. She thought they were really frightened but movie people would also plant people in the theater to do that for ratings.
Some fair responses from Fr. Martins in this video, but there's nothing that rises to the level of "debunking."
As usual, I see posturing, hem-hawing, hand-waving and storytelling, but zero evidence. When you are so lacking in hard evidence, that you must resort to incredulity about lying or mistaken priests, and put it on skeptics to DISPROVE them, your position might be weak.
Also, nice job of cherry-picking the most bottom-tier comments to mock, instead of the many reasonable criticisms directed at these priests' claims.
It's true, all of it.
Spiritual conflict is *the* reality of our lives. Nothing else matters, just get through til the end without falling to the demons.
Ok, but God controls literally everything. No need for you to stress out. We are like a little baby that God told to carry a bucket of water and we spill most of it. God doesn't actually need our help.
@@nsinkov what makes you think I'm stressed out?
Forewarned is forearmed. I'm perfectly at ease, friend.
God doesn't need our help, but we sure do need His help!
@@Dienekes678 you bolded the "the". Like there's a lot of conflict
@@nsinkov well there is a lot of conflict. It's a battle, every single day.
I predict Dr. Joseph Laycock will be a hard convert in future. His "surety" is too much like that of teens who believe they've figured everything out until real life happens. To them. (The nerve!) In the meantime, he's smoking his degree, and attempting to make bank on the coattails of a world-wide, ongoing phenomenon that he has to debunk or deal with. That's too hard.
Research requires unbiased effort, being open to learning what one doesn't know, and to seek causation and not correlation. i.e. The Church only doing exorcisms to counter the Pentecostal movement. LoL. We are all steeped in whatever 'school of thought' is predominant at our university, in our community, and what is accepted by our fellows. Human respect shapes much of what folks will and won't believe. Again, until whatever it may be happens to them.
We wrestle against powers and principalities but also our own short-sightedness, steeped by the fallacy of knowing so much.
He lost me at the end with the "no i will never provide evidence because i dont want to"
Probedli before de Cells Fone Cameras Mr. Doubtings TOMAS !
I mean that's like asking a closed source software developer to reveal their code. It's unprofitable and like why? Either you believe their stories or you don't. That's why I wouldn't start with the demonic as evidence since it requires a faith the person may not have.
They are not going to provide proof for your own personal gratification. Either you believe through faith in Jesus Christ or you don't believe. Its real whether you believe it or not. If it was your mother that was possessed by a demon would you want it on the internet for all to see? I think not
Or maybe he doesnt have any evidence?@Roescoe
@@Gundice_the_cryomancer I mean his testimony is evidence. There's just not video evidence, and you should know how reliable video evidence is. (it's not very)
Cameron, you say, right at the beginning, that the atheist assume that demons aren’t real from the start and build their case from there. How are you not doing the exact same thing? You’re operating off the assumption that demons are 100% real and going from there. So “you can’t have it both ways” also applies to you.
At every Mass, someone starts coughing at the raising of the Blessed Host. When it's me, I'm never sure if it's demonically induced or just acid reflux, but I keep up with the Sacrament of Confession, so I'm not afraid.
That's very interesting! Have you documented how often it happens and to how many people each time? I wonder if it happens at every church or just yours.
People are constantly coughing at mass. It's hundreds of people in a dead-silent room lol. Also that could be easily explained by the raising of the host triggering someone's unconscious reaction to eating a very dry wafer with wine.
According to one of my Fr. he said that if you can go into the sanctuary you are not possessed. So, if you ever think you are possessed just go to a mass and if you can go in then you are good. However, if you are unable to enter the sanctuary due to some unseen force then you are possessed.
Show the real hard evidence. Stop making pseudo based om real events books and movies to earn a profit.
If they are real, speak the truth without monetary gain. Show the evidence in full or don't speak on it at all for the "safety" of the massess.
Edit: Based on the alleged author who jad the eyewitness accounts is very much allowed to be criticized when any real evidence is not presented for the alleged incident.
I HAVE SEEN THE WALL CRAWLING THING IN MY OWN BROTHER (ITS NOT LIKE IN THE MOVIES/ SENSATIONALISED) BUT IT IS REAL, HAD TO CAST OUT THE DEMON MYSELF.
What happened? 😧
If the church let out the videos of these exorcisms people would be terrified but they can’t do that because of privacy. I know he says they don’t record but they used too.
If they video the events and multitudes of people watch them, they are giving attention to the demonic acts which thereby strengthens the demons. We are to give our attention to God and His power, not to the demons. We should be inspired by God and what He can do. Demons don't hold a candle to the Almighty.
The guy in the t.v. looks and dressed like Julian from trailer park boys! 😅😅
There are literal demons assigned to you to move you to hell like guardian angels. They are patiently waiting and work to get you down there. Believe Jesus is the only way out.
I helped cast a demon out of someone, myself. There are plenty of clowns out there, but demons are real, and so are exorcists.
How did you know it was a real demon? Can you give details
All these extraordinary claims of people levitating and crawling up walls. And yet, the Church refuses to conduct further study.
@@truthseeker7867 "Study" of what? The first thing to understand about the fallen angels is that they lie. The Church already understands what they are and what they do. Befriending them and ebgaging in dialogue would be pointless. The only thing to be done is to expel them and send them back to the foot of the Cross, the last place they'd ever want to be.
@@truthseeker7867 And not one exorcists thinks to record it! It's because we (non-believers) would just say it's fake.
Yeah... right...
@@malirk By cautious and careful assessment beforehand. This includes interviewing the victim; physical and psychiatric exams; and note taken whether the victim displays classic reactions when "manifesting": aversion to sacred objects; strength, endurance, and capabilities far beyond what the human body is capable of; extensive knowledge of subjects the victim has had no prior exposure to; and knowledge of facts that would be impossible for the victim to know.
Love how you spotlight the skeptics 😂.. if you gave them a platform to speak I bet they’d dissapear
The last point by Fr Martins is so important-- you wouldn't shove cameras into a doctor's visit with a cancer patient to prove cancer, so similarly you shouldn't do it with spiritual healthcare. Or, a closer example may be demanding evidence of rape by camera is just as terrible as demanding camera evidence of spiritual/mental rape.
What differentiates evidence by camera as opposed to other evidence (like of a family member bearing witness)?
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One differentiation is you can cross examine the person but not the video! :)
Human witnesses could be lying.@@Virgilijus87
@@Virgilijus87it’s much more difficult to fake videos than it is to fake a family members opinion
? Bad take because video evidence is great material too prove something
Have you looked into the topic of Alien Abduction experiencers who have stopped the visits cold by calling out to Jesus?
As someone who accepted Jesus when I was a kid and then took a long prodigal adventure in my teens and early 20s, I can personally testify that the spiritual realm is very real. Not only have I had angels save my life, and actually heard God (no other explanation makes sense) speak to me in a single instance. I had multiple demonic attachments formed to me, and was demonically infested to the point that I could go into a "berserker rage" (as I called it then) where I would see red and become extremely violent, and even though I was a scrawny teen it would take several grown men to restrain me... around the same time I would see shadowy black figures running and racing back and forth pretty much all the time if I was looking for them... yeah I didn't really put two and two together... even after that situation came to a head and I somewhat repented and turned to God, I still had it's influence, even talking about it with other people would manifest a palpable presence other people could feel and even see- it would make me feel cold and all my hair would stand on end. After a while it had me back doing all kinds of disobedient and dangerous things again. This was just one singular attachment that I've briefly summarized. There were multiple times I was pulled out of my body into the spiritual realm, heard them speak to me and torment me, and even saw full bodied manifestations in the waking day, not to mention insanely realistic lucid dreams and sleep paralysis in which these entities would attempt to enter covenants or attack me. It took a very long time to break all the ties and close all the doors (with the help of the Holy Spirit) that I had opened, needless to say there's not a "science minded" person on this earth that could give me a "rational" explanation for this... You watched too many horror movies is the dumbest argument I've ever heard. I actually agree with his conclusion on that though, the Hollywood representation of it and desensitizing of Americans through entertainment is a disservice to us. No it doesn't often happen the way it is shown in Hollywood, but it is far more intense and terrifying when you're actually going through it, even if you aren't climbing walls like a bug, having something jump your bones and run around in your body, coming too doing or saying obscene and horrible blasphemous things is worse... The worst part is the movies don't teach you how to free yourself from them, nor how you come into agreement or allow them access to your life. I'm glad Christians are talking about this openly... I'm afraid with the rise of witchcraft, paganism and the rampant Molech worship occurring all around us these days, it's gonna get worse before it gets better (if it gets better) and many churches and pastors are not preparing their flock for spiritual warfare or teaching them how to protect friends and family. In case you're wondering, no I don't have any mental illnesses, and I am perfectly fine and healthy following the Lord now, all of the issues I had were externally being pressed onto me and fed to me.
Very similar story on my end too., along with audibly hearing God. Glad you’re back and I’m getting back to good as well with Christ.
My uncle or dad are not ghost specialist or delusional people but they faced unrealistic things that are unexplainable and its real wheatear you believe or not or think mocking is cool you can do it but who faced it they know its not a joke ..Even In my village still newly bride and pregnant women always follow religious strictly rules because of dark unnatural force and guess what my aunt and sister-in-law both was processed in different time its still highly active in my village and my area .. For some people its joke but for us its a hell.
I have witnessed this as well. It was incredible phenomenon. I would never have believed it prior. She was in a closed prison cell and it was frightening and preternatural what occured.
What specifically did you witness?
@@malirkshhhh atheist
@@pureblood3823 Who is the atheist? You? Definitely not me.
Maybe ask my views.
@@malirk it is a long story to write in a comment. She had been rambling for hours & hours non stop. Mostly sounded a bit like debating 'herself' with some religious references. I have a degree in history w ancient nesr eastern religions & was trying to reason with her to rest (I couldn't see her it was over intercom) as I couldn't believe someone was still pacing and talking angrily with themselves for some 6 hours straight.
As she would respond to tell me to shut up, and I have no authority & "don't you know I have her, don't you know my name?"
So knowing bits of what I do know history wise, thinking she's mental or on some extraordinary long acting drugs...I say in somewhat parental dismissive tone "ok, so you are the devil himself...then you should know all the names he goes by tell me any of them and if you cannot you need to rest now."
The voice changed immediately, deep guttural, and was speaking a language I couldn't identify directly but recognized some ancient asyrian (I don't know the language but it is the visual I daw, perhaps somehow it knew what i had studied) and then then "he" listed off inside the dialog the various names we would recognize in History (5 I recalled).
Then ignored me, voice went back and kept rambling. Soon after Someone came and said I must go see as she has drawn a thick line in blood in her room and would pace going across and put her face in the window and still nonstop talking when she hit the window she would say something in a growling voice. I was told to go look.
When I looked in, she was in the last stride with her back at me walking away... she turned walked at me spitting angry words and hair on back my neck.stood up & reverted to only thing I could recall as I wasn't Religious then, but said Our father prayer I learned when I was 10 and the moment she hit that bloody line on the floor she kept cursing e veins popping out but it was silent. Like the audio turned off but the face and body still going. I switched to ramble off a Hail Mary, I think I said "In Jesus name I cast the demons out to the sewers leave her body"
I was pretty traumatized actually as the room was blood on walls and that bloody line she stopped at and her eyes weren't right at all.
Turned and practically ran away, thankful she was in that cell. She became quiet, I was told she collapsed sleeping on the bed. They transfered her somewhere the next day.
It's still unnerving to think about it. I know what I experienced and what I saw.
@@pureblood3823
Odd choice of profile name "PureBlood 3823"
I'm not an atheist. Nor do I adhere to a Church. These things are about Bloodlines. You made your choice, and I made mine as a "True Blood"
I think I will belive Jesus over this guy who has some and doesn't even know it. Pitiful
“…they go to the Catholic Church, and they say that they don’t do exorcisms anymore- that’s not something that they do.” Is the wildest take out of everything. This guy is teaching at a college and doesn’t even know modern practices of the faith he’s trying to dispute?
This guy has to be some weird plant. There’s no way someone has this incorrect of information and has made it through the testing of teaching for a school.
So why is it we never see his in day to day life - it’s literally just Catholic priests….
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People who don't believe in the existence of demons - are already won over to the demon. They would never reveal themselves to those people. But demons KNOW who knows them - and these are often attacked
"Nefarious" exposes the activities of Satan very well.
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You do NOT!
1. If demons don't exist, then God and his angels don't exist.
2. These people tell themselves that "they know demon's don't exist because they said so".
3. “The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist”-Charles Baudelaire
1. Inconclusive. Why do demons have to exist for God to exist?
2. False. Skeptics want actual evidence beyond anecdotes.
3. Inconclusive. Assuming that the devil exists then maybe this is his greatest trick, but perhaps if you asked him he would have a different opinion.
Just wanted to comment about how great the editing on this video is. Keep up the good work!
Jesus spoke and freed demonic people,so why not believe that? It’s in the Bible but I guess if they don’t believe in Christ they will not believe the Bible.😔
This alleged "expert's" opinions are fantastically illustrative of hand-waving, question-begging and circular reasoning. I doubt he's ever even considered interviewing one of the genuine exorcists.
Or doing any real researching and investigating.
Did you watch the video with Drew? He explained it well for about an hour. I would bet there would be a lot more to say. What was circular? Where was the question begging? What did he hand wave away?
@@hoshvoggoner8054 I'm a subscriber to GMS, and I watched it, but I think he based his thesis too much on the American phenomenon. He took some examples of fake possessions and extrapolated too much based upon that. His conclusions certainly apply to many incidents of fake possession, and I think his comments on the other videos Drew showed him were on point, but he never touched on the fact an Ivy League psychologist was citing multiple witnesses.
I think this is illustrative of him being desensitized to any real evidence presented to him because he's seen too many false or non-verifiable examples.
Drew had a lot of really good interviews and better videos he could have pulled from, too, though, so this isn't only the other guy's (forgot his name, sorry) fault.
Or at least of rationality. I doubt you've ever considered taking an interview with a voodoo priestess or a Pervuvian shaman seriously. A "genuine exorcist" is on par with a "genuine alchemist."
No such thing as a genuine exorcist.
I'm not sure I understand why anyone would be surprised by the reactions of the world. The Bible tells us they can't see any of it. The natural man cannot discern the things of the Spirit. All spiritual things and the Wisdom of God is foolishness to those that are perishing. Likewise, their ways of wickedness are foolishness to those of us who love God.
I'm open-minded on this, very interesting discussion.
I didn't believe in demons until I encountered some. People like me need hard evidence.
We should always look for a natural explanation before considering a supernatural explanation. If you have concluded that the explanation is supernatural, then the conclusion is very similar to say that there are no explanation with one major difference. No explanation only tell us that we do not know enough at the moment while a supernatural explanation tells us that there is no reason to look further.
All explanation should be testable before they are accepted, otherwise they are not even false.
@rusle
Did you watch the video?
Again presupposing the conclusion. What OP is really saying is that there's no reason to consider the supernatural because it doesn't exist. But in the testing, they're ignoring any evidence of the supernatural because it apparently doesn't count, and then the circular reasoning brings them right back to the presupposition of materialism.
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This is a very testable hypothesis. If the allegedly possessed person levitates, is talking in foreign languages that he or she reasonably shouldn't know, or does something else not possible according to materialism, then it's real. Man, the exorcists would increase their credibility if they showed an "outsider", preferably a hard-core skeptic, a possessed person doing crazy stuff.
The reality is, if there was more evidence of demonic possession, there would be more demonic possession.
No, that wouldn't convince a hard-core skeptic who'd say it was a magic trick.
Indeed, there seems to be a lot of possession video's that conveniently do not do any of these things.
Those things only seem to happen when the camera's are off. 🤔🤔
History shows, unfortunately, that such a demonstration would not matter in the least. Check out Michael Tymn's well-researched book about the most scientifically studied medium of all time, Leonora Piper. Yes, you have to do your own research on things supernormal, because Wikipedia hasn't.
@catmom781 Did Pharaoh harden his own heart or did god do what? If he did i blame god for my atheism 🤣
If and Exorcism Expert says demons arent real. Is he really an expert?
Dr. Laycock's expertise seems to be in soliciting sceptics with affirmations on worldly desires and perspectives. Ironic that he uses a flimsy cultural theory (specific only to the USA/western culture) instead of debunking analytically.
Yes! I'll listen to anyone's analytical argument, but when you say something doesn't exist that's repeatable, you better have analytics to back up what you say.
The burden of proof is on those making he claim. 30 minutes of levitation and no photographic evidence, that’s the bigger miracle.
@@horridhenry9920 these are priests helping sick people get better. They aren't ancient alien theorists positing E.T. built the pyramids. They help people deal with a world wide phenomenon psychiatrists and medical professionals have failed at. They do these interviews when solicited by interested parties after decades of practical application. Then some dude comes along and says it's just a cultural reaction to a movie. Weak.
@@horridhenry9920 These aren't ancient alien theorists. These are priests helping sick people beyond the help of modern medicine or psychiatry. Priests doing interviews with interested parties after years, decades even, of practical application in the field dealing with a world wide phenomenon. Then some dude comes along and says its a cultural reaction to a movie. Weak
@@benfaunce7496 We are in the digital age yet the church still operates in the dark ages.
I have worked with the mentally Ill for 35 years and I have yet to see a psychiatric report that states or infer demon possession.
If you are going to make claims of the supernatural that overturns fundamental laws of the universe, such as gravity, if you want to be taken seriously, you had better come with receipts.
Or… sometimes these exorcists are the ones not being truthful…