Any chance you guys can do a vid demonstrating the differences for when it’s wrong to when it’s right? Might help give a better understanding of what we’re aiming for when tuning suspension.
Really fascinating to see the amount of lateral flex in the rear wheel in some of those slo-mo shots!!! Off topic, I know - but *I* thought it was interesting!!
For all the heavy guys out there (+85kg and more) really a must have are tokens/spacers for the suspension forks/damper. Sending it 3years without them and now I’ve installed them, they are GOLD. Really a gamechanger. Best money upgrade performance deal I’ve bought on my bike ever!
So true, my Reba is notorious travel muncher 😂 Trek actually kinda cared and made their own app, for the product they supply as it's supplied. It advises 118 psi and very low sag- 19 of 130mm for 83kg. And it works for more aggressive riding and bottom out avoidance, but as everyone can imagine, it makes a harsh ride on smooth ground. So for Reba, to get any normal pressure and small bump compliance, it requires quite a few tokens. It makes me a bit angry though as the volume spacers in general, are so overpriced, that they truly affect the price of suspension. Yet without them, that suspension is literally a broken product. Suntour Aion 35 2018 OEM have come included with 3 tokens in the chamber on Dartmoor Primal Pro. That is the right way to supply a fork on a bike, or boxed.
@@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 I’ve got a manitou mattoc comp and with the max psi in them I still bottom out regularly.. 🤷🏻♂️ didnt cost me a fortune for the spacers tho but yes I wonder why spacers/tokens dont come with the forks out of the box. But Its all about the money I guess 😒 on my suspension in the back I fucked my bike AND demper crushing in cus of the force and my weight.. too much psi in it and it ride like shit. So for me the spacers/tokens are really AWESOME 🙏🙌
@@MG_Gily_Wut if you're very heavy and need a lo of psi, then tokens can damage the damper anyway. Also with fox dampers, most models can not use all token sizes, and by default, the suppose to have only one token inside at a time. So beware, read the volume spacers manuals
Good video, but would be better to make the suspension changes and hit a section of track every time and show the changes in characteristics in slow motion
It would be great to have a video with details on how low speed, compression and rebound affect the ride. It would be interesting to know if one has any impact on the other; so if I change low speed, will I have to change for example rebound as well. The subject is quite complex and a long video explaining every aspect would be very helpful to understand why the bike responds this or another way.
Great video guys I’ve played around with different suspension settings but when your going as hard as you can over rock gardens , jumps or whatever I seem to only focus on staying on my bike but my general rule is to check my sag occasionally 👍
It surprises me how many people with high end suspension who don't service that suspension regularly. I ride with a few people who have gone years and have yet to do even a lower leg service. I service my shock and fork often.
Don't be afraid to change suspension settings, even if you think its set up good as possible. Also change one thing at a time not all at once and remember what setting it was before so you can always change it back.
So I've been riding clipped in, and thinking riding flats could help me improve my skills. Which leads me to this question, as I can't make up my mind: what are those shoes you're wearing Neil?? I've been looking at the Shimano GR7 or GR9, which are just about the only ones I can find locally. But wondering what the old pros wear :)
How to make your bike more small bump compliant! In other words, allow you to do longer rides without feeling so sore. I’m now over 60 and my yeti sb100 firm suspension isn’t so fun anymore on longer knarly rides. My trails are pisgah rocky and rooty trails. Any suggestions would be great.
I'm considering a new full sus 29er trail bike and am not sure whether as a 6'5" 95kg rider who'd be buying an XL or XXL is there more need for me go for a build with higher spec fork and rear shock for more adjustments. Or is it still the case that lower level shocks with less adjustments will still be about right. I'm talking rock shock deluxe select vs super deluxe ultimate for example. I understand the settings discussed quite well however my local rides are all XC on a rigid bike and so the trail bike will only get occasional use travelling further away and so I'm wary of spending on higher spec suspension then perhaps never getting it set up right due to the time gaps between riding it anywhere that does it justice. I've also recently sold my 26er 2008 Orange Five which I only occasionally had set up nicely!
I do something very different with my front fork on my hardtail by putting in much higher pressure than most would contemplate . The reason I do it is so the front end doesnt dive going down the steep chunk . This keeps my steeper 69 degree HTA not going way steeper . I have had some OTB broken bones with the lower and recommended pressures and the higher pressure seems to have kept me in the saddle . Do I lose some plushness . Maybe but Its still does well with the chatter . I use my body and lower tire pressures to compensate and in the end I am willing to give up a bit of comfort to keep my butt in the saddle .
over the last few weeks my suspension felt increasinly weird, kicking me from the back, always going nose heavy and stuff... despite i spend much time to tune it last year. today i finally got to have a look at it... rebound damping was fully open. my 1,5y old son must have messed with it. a while ago i found his greasy little fingerprints on the brake rotor... his hands were all black from the chain. i guess my little man is trying to kill me xD
thanks for the video! I really appreciate you guys explaining every technical aspect even for beginners without making it sound boring for advanced riders. Sometimes the vomit-inducing music is a bit loud though...sorry :-)
I don't think there is one, they weren't precise enough with their wording. Fox dampers have 4 letter code you put in tech help section on the site and you get exact manual. In it, explained how to set up sag based on you shock size and shock travel, with suggestions for mm of sag in the table for more common shock sizes. Then once you setup sag, you take your pressure and compare with second table for rebound setting. Wham bam, thank you ma'am! 😋
I don't think there is one, they weren't precise enough with their wording. Fox dampers have 4 letter code you put in tech help section on the site and you get exact manual. In it, explained how to set up sag based on you shock size and shock travel, with suggestions for mm of sag in the table for more common shock sizes. Then once you setup sag, you take your pressure and compare with second table for rebound setting. Wham bam, thank you ma'am! 😋
To "g out" means going _deep_ into your travel caused by landing or railing a turn/berm > effectively changing the "trajectory" of you and your bike (your bike wants to dig into the ground but gets "deflected") - _not_ caused by going straight over obstacles > effectively only making your wheels *come up into* the bike ... if that makes sense.
I don't own one but I did ride one a few times. They're good and I liked them. Very stable on downhills, durable and felt very sturdy. But I'm not sure how they handle compared to other full suspension bikes as I've never owned one.
I have a Nukeproof Mega 290 with a Formula Selva fork and Ext Storia Lok Coil shock. It eats absolutely everything on the downhills and is more stable than old DH bikes! The DH capacity of this bike is just insane, it plows through everything! Also the climbing is fairly okay for a bike with such good descending. It’s not the most nimble but it gets you up fireroads and technical climbs. Technical climbs work actually very good, as Long there are no super tight corners. Jumping is also mad fun since it’s so stable, you feel really secure when hitting bike jumps and drops. My only gripe is that it is so capable, it’s definitely a full blown enduro bike and NOT a trail bike. Touring it and riding only moderate trails and small jumps can be very boring, since the bike is so capable. It just eats up the easier trails and you feel like riding down the street while your in the forest doing 25kmh over rocks and roots. I for myself decided that I will sell the Mega since I want something more nimble and trail oriented. I don’t need to bomb double black diamonds, but I want a bike that I can ride every day and it’s still fun, even if I’m just riding small jumps in the local forest and go for a little tour over natural local trails. So if you are in Germany and want to have a Mega with high end suspension and other nice parts, you can buy mine. I’d also trade for a nice trail or downcountry bike!
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Can you do that on hardtail.
Yes but could you make the same video for coil suspension set up ?
It’s so satisfying to see soft suspension in slow-mo
Any chance you guys can do a vid demonstrating the differences for when it’s wrong to when it’s right? Might help give a better understanding of what we’re aiming for when tuning suspension.
Really fascinating to see the amount of lateral flex in the rear wheel in some of those slo-mo shots!!! Off topic, I know - but *I* thought it was interesting!!
For all the heavy guys out there (+85kg and more) really a must have are tokens/spacers for the suspension forks/damper. Sending it 3years without them and now I’ve installed them, they are GOLD. Really a gamechanger. Best money upgrade performance deal I’ve bought on my bike ever!
So true, my Reba is notorious travel muncher 😂
Trek actually kinda cared and made their own app, for the product they supply as it's supplied. It advises 118 psi and very low sag- 19 of 130mm for 83kg. And it works for more aggressive riding and bottom out avoidance, but as everyone can imagine, it makes a harsh ride on smooth ground.
So for Reba, to get any normal pressure and small bump compliance, it requires quite a few tokens.
It makes me a bit angry though as the volume spacers in general, are so overpriced, that they truly affect the price of suspension. Yet without them, that suspension is literally a broken product.
Suntour Aion 35 2018 OEM have come included with 3 tokens in the chamber on Dartmoor Primal Pro. That is the right way to supply a fork on a bike, or boxed.
@@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 I’ve got a manitou mattoc comp and with the max psi in them I still bottom out regularly.. 🤷🏻♂️ didnt cost me a fortune for the spacers tho but yes I wonder why spacers/tokens dont come with the forks out of the box. But Its all about the money I guess 😒 on my suspension in the back I fucked my bike AND demper crushing in cus of the force and my weight.. too much psi in it and it ride like shit. So for me the spacers/tokens are really AWESOME 🙏🙌
@@MG_Gily_Wut if you're very heavy and need a lo of psi, then tokens can damage the damper anyway. Also with fox dampers, most models can not use all token sizes, and by default, the suppose to have only one token inside at a time. So beware, read the volume spacers manuals
I'm finally starting to feel how more compression or rebound effects my bike. I'm enjoying figuring out how to make the bike realy work for me
Good video, but would be better to make the suspension changes and hit a section of track every time and show the changes in characteristics in slow motion
It would be great to have a video with details on how low speed, compression and rebound affect the ride. It would be interesting to know if one has any impact on the other; so if I change low speed, will I have to change for example rebound as well. The subject is quite complex and a long video explaining every aspect would be very helpful to understand why the bike responds this or another way.
Very sturdy, and easy to clean.Excellent product
Hey GMBN! You guys are the Simpsons of MTB content! Always have something very fun and useful to watch. Love it! 👌🏽
it kills me to see how fast neil goes down ski run 😭😭 i wish i had the confidence and balls as big 😂😂😂
Same
he is a ex pro dh racer
this is like the 8th time GMBN have made a suspension setup tutorial
OK, Dear Neil, can you please give us hint what is your personal setting for hard rocky trail of your new Nukeproof Mega 290 please? Thank you
I really needed this info thank you 🙏🏼 and you always explain things at a beginner level . Much appreciated
Great video guys I’ve played around with different suspension settings but when your going as hard as you can over rock gardens , jumps or whatever I seem to only focus on staying on my bike but my general rule is to check my sag occasionally 👍
Just the thing i need ;) Thank you
Great job Neil...Greetings from Greece....
Neil is my new Dark Arts teacher. Thanks for this information 🙏👍✌🐺
Neil is awesome
Thank you for the brilliant content, by far my favourite channel, keep up the amazing work 🤟😁👍
Thanks for the kind words!
this helped me a lot because I just got a new bike yesterday
Nice what bike
This is the video I have been waiting for
It surprises me how many people with high end suspension who don't service that suspension regularly. I ride with a few people who have gone years and have yet to do even a lower leg service. I service my shock and fork often.
Don't be afraid to change suspension settings, even if you think its set up good as possible. Also change one thing at a time not all at once and remember what setting it was before so you can always change it back.
For the most of it yes.
Still not accecly sure about the lsc/hsc and lsr/hsr.
For instance, why not 3 clicks of lsc and hsc and meet in the middle?
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Rang my LBS today and asked how much a rear shock and Fork service is and was told 100 quid for each.... time to buy a servicing kit and try it myself
Very informative, good work!
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent 👍🏼😃
Thanks brother I really helpful your video
Why not just add air in the fork if bottoming out, instead of adding spacers?
Great video, keep up the good work!
Hardtail squad thump up ;)
Love the vids thanks for all the tips
So I've been riding clipped in, and thinking riding flats could help me improve my skills. Which leads me to this question, as I can't make up my mind: what are those shoes you're wearing Neil??
I've been looking at the Shimano GR7 or GR9, which are just about the only ones I can find locally. But wondering what the old pros wear :)
Very helful indeed! Love the nukeproof giga :D
Thank you so much
What is everyones suspension like? Squishy or Firm?
Squishy all the way
How to make your bike more small bump compliant! In other words, allow you to do longer rides without feeling so sore. I’m now over 60 and my yeti sb100 firm suspension isn’t so fun anymore on longer knarly rides. My trails are pisgah rocky and rooty trails. Any suggestions would be great.
Great videos!
I'm considering a new full sus 29er trail bike and am not sure whether as a 6'5" 95kg rider who'd be buying an XL or XXL is there more need for me go for a build with higher spec fork and rear shock for more adjustments. Or is it still the case that lower level shocks with less adjustments will still be about right.
I'm talking rock shock deluxe select vs super deluxe ultimate for example.
I understand the settings discussed quite well however my local rides are all XC on a rigid bike and so the trail bike will only get occasional use travelling further away and so I'm wary of spending on higher spec suspension then perhaps never getting it set up right due to the time gaps between riding it anywhere that does it justice.
I've also recently sold my 26er 2008 Orange Five which I only occasionally had set up nicely!
Yes this is helpful
I do something very different with my front fork on my hardtail by putting in much higher pressure than most would contemplate . The reason I do it is so the front end doesnt dive going down the steep chunk . This keeps my steeper 69 degree HTA not going way steeper . I have had some OTB broken bones with the lower and recommended pressures and the higher pressure seems to have kept me in the saddle . Do I lose some plushness . Maybe but Its still does well with the chatter . I use my body and lower tire pressures to compensate and in the end I am willing to give up a bit of comfort to keep my butt in the saddle .
You shouldn't be in your saddle at all when going down. It's a recipe for a disaster.
@@dkgray828 Just an expression and should have said keep myself balanced on the bike
Thx bro 😎
can someone just tell me where I can get the Ergon saddle, all the ones I look at don't have the White Ergon Logo on the saddle ?
Pretty sure they’re for sponsored riders - best get gud dude!
over the last few weeks my suspension felt increasinly weird, kicking me from the back, always going nose heavy and stuff... despite i spend much time to tune it last year. today i finally got to have a look at it... rebound damping was fully open. my 1,5y old son must have messed with it. a while ago i found his greasy little fingerprints on the brake rotor... his hands were all black from the chain. i guess my little man is trying to kill me xD
I got a carrera valour disc cause it’s my second mtb and the suspension doesn’t feel like it’s doing anything is it cause it’s not an air fork?
Being a fat lad mine works pretty hard
thanks for the video! I really appreciate you guys explaining every technical aspect even for beginners without making it sound boring for advanced riders. Sometimes the vomit-inducing music is a bit loud though...sorry :-)
Happy to help!
My weight is 45kg how much pressure for my fork
1:16 thats a nasty cut in the fork :(
What trails are they?
anyone know of a remote suspension? my cousin told me about it but he's not sure what and how it really works
what water bottle and holder is that
10:38 thats what she said
Hold tight, no brakes and go "ragakataghathah" straight line until you win.
Sick 🤟 keep up the good work 😁👍
Hey GMBN, you mentioned Fox had an App, may i ask what its called? Google was no help.
I don't think there is one, they weren't precise enough with their wording.
Fox dampers have 4 letter code you put in tech help section on the site and you get exact manual. In it, explained how to set up sag based on you shock size and shock travel, with suggestions for mm of sag in the table for more common shock sizes. Then once you setup sag, you take your pressure and compare with second table for rebound setting. Wham bam, thank you ma'am! 😋
Hi Gmbn, will be cool to make some video guide for megneg! thanks
I can't find this fox app, only the SRAM/Rockshox stuff.
I don't think there is one, they weren't precise enough with their wording.
Fox dampers have 4 letter code you put in tech help section on the site and you get exact manual. In it, explained how to set up sag based on you shock size and shock travel, with suggestions for mm of sag in the table for more common shock sizes. Then once you setup sag, you take your pressure and compare with second table for rebound setting. Wham bam, thank you ma'am! 😋
@@polishguywithhardtospellna8227 Yeah, I found that out about a day after asking the question, because I picked up my new bike, which is full fox
My suspension has a plastic cap on it and underneath it has nothing its just empty
Im a big fan
How many videos do you have about setting up your suspension? xD
My suspension says preload?
Yewwww
What’s a “G out “?
To "g out" means going _deep_ into your travel caused by landing or railing a turn/berm > effectively changing the "trajectory" of you and your bike (your bike wants to dig into the ground but gets "deflected") - _not_ caused by going straight over obstacles > effectively only making your wheels *come up into* the bike ... if that makes sense.
Sick
why do i watch this i dont even have a full suspension bike
Aaaahhh yeah one of the first few to comment Great job GMBN😁
well i mean i have a coil fork that has 2 modes, locked out and somewhat working.
anyone own a nukeproof mega, what are your thoughts on it
I don't own one but I did ride one a few times. They're good and I liked them. Very stable on downhills, durable and felt very sturdy. But I'm not sure how they handle compared to other full suspension bikes as I've never owned one.
I have a Nukeproof Mega 290 with a Formula Selva fork and Ext Storia Lok Coil shock.
It eats absolutely everything on the downhills and is more stable than old DH bikes!
The DH capacity of this bike is just insane, it plows through everything!
Also the climbing is fairly okay for a bike with such good descending. It’s not the most nimble but it gets you up fireroads and technical climbs.
Technical climbs work actually very good, as Long there are no super tight corners.
Jumping is also mad fun since it’s so stable, you feel really secure when hitting bike jumps and drops.
My only gripe is that it is so capable, it’s definitely a full blown enduro bike and NOT a trail bike.
Touring it and riding only moderate trails and small jumps can be very boring, since the bike is so capable.
It just eats up the easier trails and you feel like riding down the street while your in the forest doing 25kmh over rocks and roots.
I for myself decided that I will sell the Mega since I want something more nimble and trail oriented.
I don’t need to bomb double black diamonds, but I want a bike that I can ride every day and it’s still fun, even if I’m just riding small jumps in the local forest and go for a little tour over natural local trails.
So if you are in Germany and want to have a Mega with high end suspension and other nice parts, you can buy mine.
I’d also trade for a nice trail or downcountry bike!
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Pump shock and fork to 300 psi. Dreams . -Sam pilgrim maybe
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Never use base settings they are terrible
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